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[karmic shale]

erm

[sleek dome]

You're correct. But i heard 5 days ago Hard is nerfed so i haven't tried it yet after the nerf, i just got my loadout back. They got removed after a small update. Something got corrupted. But for me personally, i love to play Hard difficulty

[karmic shale]

aktuhally

[sleek dome]

I love how even Swat AI have a crazy aim on a distance

[dawn solstice]

they just are

Also more people who use cs gas means i dont have to not in LFGs

[honest pier]

The ai too insane. A spider on crack is slower than the ai in this game. Just fyi

[karmic shale]

welll ig ima nerdd muehehe i like flashbangs

[signal magnet]

tbh at least rhe spider got good ai check twisted nerve

[karmic shale]

smth about having the power of the sun in the palm of my hand makes me giggle

[sleek dome]

I love to go against junkies and the hood, they're slower and have funny dialogues

Valley off the dolls on the other hand Good ending to kill that owner of that house instead of arresting him

[hybrid wren]

Idk at this point why

[dawn solstice]

Making someone use my og loadout from when i first played is funny as hell

I used to love the raider its deffinetly good everyone should use it

[hybrid wren]

At this point whenever i hop back onto SWAT4 i feel like my eyes are like being relieved of all tension massaged, beacuse i dont have to frown so much to see anything like in RoN

Maybe it's the laptop screen, maybe my settings, maybe just me, RoN is just sto eye straining for me

[regal wasp]

I sometimes get the same, and not just in RoN

[dawn solstice]

I love how i despise flashes that much if im not running cs gas i run stingers

[regal wasp]

for me I think it has to do with blurry, unfocused render, and adjusting settings like Anti-aliasing or motion blur can help

[dawn solstice]

See i just hate it when people dont tell me eyes and throw a flash

[regal wasp]

also sometimes high contrast graphics are eye straining if its dark irl

[karmic shale]

I'm normally very good about comms qwq

[dawn solstice]

Please people if your playing with others yell eyes if you throw a flash

[cerulean anvil]

was just in a match this dude threw a flash into a door (tried to get it thru the glass on top) and it flashed all of us😂

[karmic shale]

sometimes i even manage to only flash myself

[dawn solstice]

Is exactly why i say this cus even if it misses it will not flash you all as your all prolly lookin away

also shoot out glass before throwin

[karmic shale]

this

yaaaassss

alwayss do thaat

[hybrid wren]

Some of new games have similiar problems for me

In RoN is just particularly bad

Beacuse its dark as hell and you always have to frown intensely

Plus the flashlight that is just so small

[dawn solstice]

if you are gonna throw a flash or grenade through glass

Teammate 1 - Ready on door to breach moment it goes off

Teammate 2 - Shoots glass then stacks up with teammate 1

Teammate 3 - holds the flash and then throws it at a count

Then Teammate 1 breaches at same time and all go in

[karmic shale]

imo they kinda ruined the flashlight

it's like

too defined

[dawn solstice]

If you only have 2 people you can do the same just be a bit more careful and precise with the timing

[regal wasp]

did it use to be different?

[dawn solstice]

i think its a thing of new update lets you have a light and a laser

[karmic shale]

noo im not talking about the attachments

I'm talking about the flashlight itself

[regal wasp]

I always assumed the flashlight is kinda narrow because its mouned on the gun (so its often very close to an obstacle)- and I was going to say I wish we could have a helmet light 😄

[dawn solstice]

Please nooo

Give me a use for my nvgs and gun light

[karmic shale]

the flashlight is too defined bc before i remember it like it was jus a blob of light

the middle of it is waayy too bright

[dawn solstice]

I aint noticed that

You sure it not a xbox graphics thing?

[wide robin]

i agree

[karmic shale]

no it's on everything

[dawn solstice]

_Then again ive used flashlight like twice on the new update _

[karmic shale]

if you look at the light you'll seee it

[karmic shale]

noo this has been a thing since like

1.0 i think

[dawn solstice]

Oh ive never noticed

Prolly cus i started playing not to long ago

I also have a very pathetic playtime

[karmic shale]

yeaa js like focus onto the texture of the flashlight n you'll see it

[dawn solstice]

Only 13.3 hours yet i know way to much about this game

[karmic shale]

ion know how much i have in hours but i have like

13 days

[regal wasp]

I have like 145 and only just learned what suspect stress is a few days ago 😄

[karmic shale]

145 hours or days qwq

[regal wasp]

hours

[karmic shale]

ooo

[dawn solstice]

I know the majority of the lore thanks documentry sized videos and a bit of the cqc stuff cus i did a deep dive on the videos so i could play with people here easy

[karmic shale]

i hav 312

[karmic shale]

wendigooner

[dawn solstice]

I still dont know how to play point

Also watched way to many videos of a group of people playing the game to understand the mechanics and different techniques actually in the game that are useable

[karmic shale]

ooo

[hybrid wren]

Carriers of the Vine is the Most SWAT4 like mission in here

[karmic shale]

if you likee team based content on ron i recommend GLID and Invictus

[dawn solstice]

Some games i just deep dive into a bit and learn all the mechanics for very quickly

Got 200 hours in deadlock i schmove in that game

[uncut mountain]

hey how do you get a black stab vest? the one in my game only shows it as olive

[karmic shale]

did you know in Hunger Strike if you go to the kitchen you can actually fry the fries

[karmic shale]

you'd have to mod it

[uncut mountain]

dang

[dawn solstice]

insane

[karmic shale]

m not even kidding that's actually a thing 💔

[dawn solstice]

At some point today ima try valley of the dolls

I hate the mission but i need the tshirt to go with my jeans

[karmic shale]

turn your bodycam off

[cerulean anvil]

anyone else getting a bug where u try to restrain someone and it doesnt work💀

[karmic shale]

the angles are broken i think

just walk around em until the option shows

[cerulean anvil]

sometimes they get up and sprint across the map

[karmic shale]

dump em

[cerulean anvil]

😂

[karmic shale]

lowk lowk ngl that's what i lowk would kinda lowk do

[cerulean anvil]

i dont kill civilians lmao

[uncut mountain]

are cosmetics only unlockable through commander mode or can you do it through quickplay too?

[dawn solstice]

Its just annoyin as hell to do i hate the basement i hate the entire building being glass it makes me wanna give up

[karmic shale]

nahh don't give up on it

it js takes a few tries

and if it's hard to complete solo see if you can get a few buddies on it with you

[regal wasp]

are you trying to get S rank?

[dawn solstice]

I hate having a good run and i get shot through a fence and accidently shoot a civ

nah im just trying to get above a b on it

[karmic shale]

stick very close to solid cover

poke your head out

[dawn solstice]

I got someone whos gonna give me a hand

[karmic shale]

pop pop

hide

[regal wasp]

also walking slowly can actually help

[karmic shale]

absolute peakima

[cerulean anvil]

ive been seeing people spam a cluster flash grenade ig thats a new thing?

[dawn solstice]

We are a dynamic duo of shotgun and assult rifle and a big disregard for suspects lives

[regal wasp]

it makes your footsteps more quiet and gives you more steady aim

[hybrid wren]

What is the purpose of that thing besides more pockets anyway

[karmic shale]

9-banger and yes its noww in ze gamee

[dawn solstice]

We got me the slow tactical player then him the run and gunner who somehow lives

[karmic shale]

stab vest

[dawn solstice]

Then again they wear steel heavy armor with full coverage

[karmic shale]

it protects from stab

he's mean

[hybrid wren]

Like, they stop you from being one tapped from a knife guy?

[karmic shale]

yeppers

[rocky plover]

it doesn't actually, game's lying

[karmic shale]

it's worked for me qwq

[rocky plover]

doesn't mean it reduces it, only shield does

[jolly verge]

It doesn't do anything

[karmic shale]

then why does it exist 💔

[regal wasp]

I think you can tank a knife stab without stab vest

I usually use ceramic and I can survive a stab

[rocky plover]

for speed, and more slots

[frail stratus]

Hello

[hollow finch]

9 bang, available to all

[rocky plover]

or acceleration should i say

[karmic shale]

well yea bc u have a full on plate carrier

I'd assume that would block out a few swipes

[rocky plover]

it's the same damage irrelevant what you have

except shield

[regal wasp]

tbh if somebody gets close to me with knife its usually over anyway, since I get stunned

[frail stratus]

Can someone help me complete the last mission from the new DLC on S on hard difficulty??

[dawn solstice]

or they just stab yah twice and you cant shoot em

Hate that every single time

[uncut mountain]

how do i know if my armor plate is broken?

[regal wasp]

yeah exactly, once they get to stabby distance you get stunned and can get hit multiple times easily.
So its more about making sure they don't come close in the first place

[rocky plover]

first you have to see what type you're using because kevlar and steel don't break, only ceramic does

[uncut mountain]

yes, ceramic

how do i know if it is broken?

[rocky plover]

usually after the next shot taken after it breaks, it dissapears from the paperdoll, just like the helmet does

[dawn solstice]

If its ceramic if front plate only disapears from the paperdoll model

front and back its harder to say idk the thing for it

if its heavy and full coverage your torso turns to red which means 1 to 3 of plates broken

[hybrid wren]

SWAT4 has ricochet feature btw

But it probably doesnt do any damage

It's most noticable when you shoot at any corner of non penetrable wall

The other side of a wall will magically have a hole with generic ricochet sound

[jolly verge]

#👮ron-discussion message

[uncut mountain]

gotcha👍

[dawn solstice]

We love ceramic armor it has no flaws it does but we dont talk about em

Sounds like a moddin question

[obsidian hornet]

Yeah I'll post it there

[dawn solstice]

Idk the game code but im assuming its model tied

I doubt it would be map tied as then they wouldnt be able to easily reuse the models on other maps

[old idol]

Does anyone remember that random dialogue in All Gods Burn where a rioter complains about the generations starting from the boomers to gen alpha

[hybrid wren]

Do you think if SWAT4 or RoN is more grounded in it's narratives and missions?

I kinda feel like SWAT4 seems to be quite reluctant a lot of the times and restrained with it's willingless to show brutality

And RoN on the other hand tries to he overly serious and dramatic

[cerulean anvil]

almost at 2k kills, gonna screenshot the dudes body😎

[hybrid wren]

Criminals and situations in SWAT4 are somewhat humorous, with criminals often being clumsy and making quite a bit of mistakes that i nthe end make them look quite stupid

[chilly thorn]

This game does as well

[hybrid wren]

Hmm i never noticed it

[chilly thorn]

It killed me once lol

[hybrid wren]

Probably its far more subtle than in SWAT4

[chilly thorn]

Swat 4 is more grounded but RoN feels like it’s trying to say something politically which I respect

[robust apex]

definitely not, try shooting the ground

it'll shoot like lasers

[hollow finch]

you sure? it has spall but im not sure about ricochets

[hybrid wren]

Eh idk, i feel like RoN is trying to build more of the dramatic narrative

[chilly thorn]

I shot a metal fence and it hit me in the head

[hollow finch]

yeah? thats spall

[hybrid wren]

Which is interestengly a bit cliched and in turn makes it feel somewhat less grounded even though crimes of such gravity do happen

Though maybe not that cinematically

[rocky plover]

The shield on your back and get shot from the front can cause a headshot as well 😂

[hollow finch]

ricochet wouldnt bounce backwards. Youll only get ricochets from very tight angles

[hybrid wren]

And bluntly

[chilly thorn]

Ready or not depictions of crimes are usually more artistic and exaggerated same with the visuals

[robust apex]

get enemies to shoot a shield, you'll see it

[hollow finch]

man thats still spall/shatters, not ricochets

[chilly thorn]

The graphics of this game are no where near realistic but it’s fucking beautiful looking because of that

[robust apex]

bruh no it isn't you can literally see it RICOCHET lamo

[hybrid wren]

Like, the Spider and Carriers of Vine, Sins of the Father, all are, well not so grounded

[chilly thorn]

The spider could easily happen in real life

I’d say the unrealistic maps are more of Oil rig and AnA

[hybrid wren]

The Spider is too blunt and the villain is a literal DC villain levels of Evil
Carriers of Vine is something out of Far Cry
Sins of the Father is like that one White House gets raided by terrorists with a sad backstory movie

[hybrid wren]

It's too blunt it it's presentation

Not in the synopsis

[chilly thorn]

Not … really it’s pretty believable. Talent agencies are shady as fuck and the only way you could tell what’s going on there is the briefing or the environmental documents

[hollow finch]

#🎬ron-clips-and-media i cant check on my pc, pls send a clip cause ive never seen that

[lost inlet]

which is why it's better than RoN in term of depicting suspect, they're more human cause they makes mistakes.

[chilly thorn]

That’s all in the animations swat 4 has better animations then Ron when it comes to movement

[hybrid wren]

Uh eh idk about that

It's far more readible sure

[robust apex]

look man, not tryna argue with ya but https://readyornot.wiki.gg/wiki/Bullet_ricochet

[chilly thorn]

For example they will physically open the doors, Ron has all the enemy ai system but the problem is they don’t add any animations for them so they just feel like robots

[hybrid wren]

I mean it does kinda make them look less monstrous compared to what we know they are capable of IRL

[chilly thorn]

Ready or not even directly ported over the hostage mechanic from swat 4 for pier

[lost inlet]

a part of it it's because we're playing a video game which could never captures the full feeling of SWAT being in that scenario.

RoN tries to tackles it by designing the suspect to be anti-player rather than as humanly as possible.

[hybrid wren]

It would be some angry and stupid farmers that barely know how to work with the bombs

[chilly thorn]

I think swat 4 enemies act better in hiding and avoiding damage while RoN is definently more engaging in enemy combat

Swat 4 combat truthfully is fucking boring and kinda shit

[hybrid wren]

You're not really supposed to fight in SWAT4

Ideally atleast

[chilly thorn]

Neither are you in RoN but that’s not an excuse for the combat to be bad

[hybrid wren]

SEF makes it far easier

[chilly thorn]

I think Ron did it good with combat being extremely difficult and awkward while still being fun

It’s definently best too avoid combat but having shit go down feels appropriately insane

Especially with the sound design

[dawn solstice]

i never see the difficulty but then again i play standard

[hybrid wren]

Eh idk, feels like getting lucky with being able to see them in the first place a lot of the time

[chilly thorn]

Depends on the map, sometimes difficult to see suspects is part of the design

[hybrid wren]

The way screen darkens and shakes from bullets flying by doesnt really help and feels a bit unorganic for me how you can stand still sometimes and not die after a whole mag is dumped at you

[chilly thorn]

But not knowing where your getting shot from or even who’s doing it is part of that terror and thrill

[dawn solstice]

making use of chokepoints and stuff also helps atleast for me

[chilly thorn]

IMO hard mode fixes that with suspects actually aiming for the head

But hard mode has its own slew of issues

[dawn solstice]

Also occasionally splitting from your duo

[chilly thorn]

I usually just avoiding killing it makes suspects less scared and aggressive (most)

[dawn solstice]

I will forever love the strat we use for clearing roofs and perimeters where we take a side each go up and around and meet back up

[dawn solstice]

See my freaind uses a shotgun so we get agressive suspects alot

We do incap a few and arrest some tho

[wide robin]

i’m using a 12x optic 😪

[hybrid wren]

I prefer SWAT4 in terms of shooting suspects, that's my case, cause i at very least most of the time can see them and engage with them, it's just more satisfying in my opinion

[dawn solstice]

RIP

[hollow finch]

50ms reaction time

[hybrid wren]

Finally greased palms kit

[cerulean anvil]

finally completed a new america😂

[chilly thorn]

Yes but you’ll never leave a swat 4 gun fight feeling as if something is crazy since it’s usually just one suspect refusing to surrender and then either insta doming you or dying themselves

Swat 4 combat is very lame they don’t do anything in an actual gunfight

I don’t even think swat 4 suspects can shoot you from medium range

I feel like I only get shot at when they are in my face

[jolly verge]

Required time on target*, you forget about another 200ms from stimulus sight

[hybrid wren]

I mean it does make you really nervous cause you can very easily die and they can run away and your health runs out very easily with wound effects more drastic(shit accuracy, terrible movement speed) than in RoN

[chilly thorn]

Yes but your acting like RoN doesn’t have instant death if someone gets close to you with a shotgun you are fucked

I will admit limb affects are more significant but I don’t like a 1 mile per year walk speed

[hybrid wren]

It's usually ateast few hits before you get deleted even in medium range on normal they can mag dump and mostly miss you

You also less punishing wounds

[chilly thorn]

If you get hit in the head in this game you die instantly suspects in this game just don’t aim for the head as much because players whined about it

I miss Adam update ai 💔

[wooden saddle]

Hmm. I wonder how it would look like to have an easter egg of morale failure. An officer refusing to continue, and pooping on the floor in protest for being called to continue. Next to their name goes 'defected'. In my book, 'defected' is still better than 'dead'.

[jolly verge]

[chilly thorn]

Wuh

I do think Adam ai was the most engaging state the enemies have ever been in, they used all this games quirks a lot and where very deadly, but due to the “too hard” complaints it was nerfed into the fucking ground by 1.0

[hybrid wren]

Radiant AI ahh

[chilly thorn]

I miss suspects hiding but it was removed because people thought it was unfair

[sly prawn]

any enforcements against dlc unlockers?

[wide robin]

i did it

[floral peak]

?

[bitter mason]

Was it because of that or because it was bugged and they never fixed it

Suspects still hide its just super rare

[sly prawn]

I was searching for mods and just found one

[hybrid wren]

In lockers?

[sly prawn]

github

I have everything bought with real money tho not gonna use it

[hybrid wren]

If yes then i can understand why it's hated, cause you can't open them sometimes for some reason

[chilly thorn]

It’s still in the game but the entire system was changed to remove their “pop out and shoot you thing” because people thought it was op

[vestal condor]

how do i play mission on my own with no NPC

[jolly verge]

Multiplayer friends only lobby

[hybrid wren]

Create private online match

[chilly thorn]

What’s even the point of suspects hiding if they can’t instant kill you for forgetting to check

[vestal condor]

thanks

[wide robin]

when you first load in tell them to hold position

[bitter mason]

I mean if you open a closet and then instantly get domed then that would be annoying
But having them jump out of hiding and firing at you should be a thing

Funny that they get rid of that because its unfair but just make suspects superhuman anyways

[hybrid wren]

I once had a drug lady hide in a closet

She just stood there and i couldnt get her out

[chilly thorn]

They would kill you if you opened it while right in front of the door which is fair

[sage vigil]

it took me a while to realize that they hide under beds, def got caught by that a few times

[chilly thorn]

I think suspects are too weak still lol

This game is too easy

[hybrid wren]

On the other hand why not let player hide under bet then

[chilly thorn]

It’s fun but easy on standard and hard is broken

[floral peak]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message
Never noticed this lmao 😭

[chilly thorn]

I enjoy hard but it’s not fun for casual sitdowns

[hybrid wren]

Just looking at this game makes me have a headache

Maybe it's the dark blur thing around the corners and soft shadows

[chilly thorn]

Fix your brightness

[hybrid wren]

Feels like there is some filter that makes everything more dull

[bitter mason]

I think its more they're too dumb and the player is too spongey
If suspects were smarter they wouldn't need their insane accuracy and move speed

[hybrid wren]

Like on instagram photo or a movie

[chilly thorn]

Insane accuracy as if the only accurate suspects in this game aren’t the MLO

Every other suspect just sprays and misses every shot

[hybrid wren]

Suspects probably need to be more cowardly

[chilly thorn]

What’s your brightness at if it’s above 1.80 that’s why

[hybrid wren]

Not neccecarily less accurate but they should be far less accurate in long distances

[hybrid wren]

In 1.75 it's too dark for me

And i hate using the flashlight

[chilly thorn]

That’s the intended brightness lol

It looks the best visually for a reason

[hybrid wren]

Oh yeah port hokan

[chilly thorn]

Their the only accurate suspects on standard

[hybrid wren]

You with your boys dressed in all black

On a black shadow tower

Some human trafficker runs around with ak and sprinkles you with 7.62

[chilly thorn]

You can watch a suspect unload a mag on you at mid range and only hit 3 shots and call them accurate

[hybrid wren]

Despite having no flashlight

Nor optics

[chilly thorn]

You gotta remember that most of the bullet cracks you hear are just them wizzing past your head not hitting you

95% of shots fired at you in this game don’t hit

[hybrid wren]

How would you explain port Hokan suspects being able to snipe you while you are at tower

[bitter mason]

Yeah they need more range of "emotion" an actual sense of self preservation at times
Some should definitely be more reckless to keep things unpredictable but I find they generally just either stand in place or wander aimlessly back and forth never hiding or trying to avoid the swat team

[hybrid wren]

I feel like game doesn't really get distance and darkness in account that much

[chilly thorn]

They can’t lol I’ve literally never had them shoot me from the tower not even in 1.0 I think got shot at once and they were missing so bad due to the suspect spread being so high

Suspects physically can’t even hit you at certain ranges

[hybrid wren]

I mean more like in giving up sense

[hybrid wren]

Idk i got hit plenty of times

They even show trough windows

[chilly thorn]

Are you on hard

[hybrid wren]

Even though it's not illuminated from what i remember

[hybrid wren]

Normal

[sharp geode]

right because not everyone is a trained militiaman

[bitter mason]

That too
Morale feels poorly done and the stress system sucks

[hybrid wren]

They would spot you standing at the tower which is already a bit questionable, then run around and be able to kill you

[chilly thorn]

I like the morale and stress systems but it should be clearer as what suspects are affected by what and how they will react to it because they do NOT tell you who will respond well to warning shots or such

They also need to have a higher potency in general

[hybrid wren]

Did they fix fisa agent?

[chilly thorn]

Wdym

[wide robin]

no

[hybrid wren]

💥"STOP SHOOTING WE ARE ON THE SAME SIDE"💥

[hybrid wren]

Why?

[chilly thorn]

I wish that guy spawned with a gun more so
I had an excuse to shoot him

But for me he’s always unarmed

[bitter mason]

Morale needs to be improved on a little since it feels like suspects will always give up when stunned
Hardly notice more resistant guys on standard
Stress feels like it punishes you for using half of the games mechanics

I think stress should be replaced with a "fear" thing that makes suspects more likely to hide and attempt to ambush you the louder you go

[chilly thorn]

They limp away while stunned a lot for me and commonly resist some flashes

That’s why I always follow up grenades with a taser

[chilly thorn]

Agreed I do like stress punishing you for all the noise though that should stay

[tacit gull]

fuck no

[chilly thorn]

If you are shooting your gun too much at people you should be punished for it

[bitter mason]

The stress system makes the game turn even more into a shooting gallery

[bitter mason]

It's not just gunfire though its literally everything loud

[hybrid wren]

I'm so sad that wouldn't ever learn "WHAT DOES HE EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT" 😔🕯️

[bitter mason]

And it just kinda ends up snowballing

[tacit gull]

If you are shooting your gun once or doing literally anything* you SHOULDNT be punished

[chilly thorn]

… I think it would be fair to say if you fire a gun at someone that’s fair on most maps honestly

[bitter mason]

The majority of the games sandbox is loud
If you don't want to stress suspects you're left picking every lock and using only the taser

[chilly thorn]

Realistically I fire like 3 shots per map

[tacit gull]

Genuienly like 2 gunshots from you or a suspect getting a round off should not disable hesitation (the only way suspects will EVER surrender by themselves)

[hybrid wren]

It's a game with good gun animations and sounds

[tacit gull]

Aswell as using A FUCKING TASER (very loud)

[hybrid wren]

Player would want to mess around, and he doesnt have much a lot means of interacting with things

[tacit gull]

and grenades

and shouting

[chilly thorn]

It does have issues I like the idea though

[hybrid wren]

Penalty on shooting is punishing player for just interacting

Which is just bad

[tacit gull]

its a horrid system that essentially defaults the game to you shooting everyone in the head

[chilly thorn]

I mean they always hesistate for me if I flank them unless they are the MLO

The MLO don’t seem to ever hesistate

[tacit gull]

any slight amount of stress will remove hesitation

and on certain maps suspects start stressed

[chilly thorn]

I swear every game is personalized because I’ve seen hesitation from shooting at people

[tacit gull]

If a suspect hesitates and he's hostile you are NEVER going to have that happen on the level again

[chilly thorn]

I’ve seen it

[bitter mason]

For me they only hesitate at the start and continue to if I can avoid any shooting but eventually I will have to breach a door, use grenades or someone starts shooting and it all just spirals from there

[chilly thorn]

For me most suspects hesistate on the less military wacko
Maps

[tacit gull]

It essentially makes the game play how it should for the first 3 minutes of a mission

[hybrid wren]

No it just has a lot of randomizers

[chilly thorn]

I guess stress has never been an issue for me due to my playstyle of putting suspect lives above my own for the good guy
Points

[hybrid wren]

I started playing home invasion before deleting for BF2 2005 with mods, and gotta say Home Invasion seems quite fun

Narcos is an awesome concept

[chilly thorn]

Home invasion has 3 amazing maps and Narcos is legitimately the best map in the game lol

Narcos has no downsides

[hybrid wren]

Except the dog soft objetctive

[chilly thorn]

Can’t say the same for shit waters

[tacit gull]

It doesn't matter, any tool you use or gunshot they fire off they'll start attacking you

[chilly thorn]

But they don’t for me lol

[tacit gull]

dark waters >>>>>>> home invasion

[chilly thorn]

Actual mental insanity

[tacit gull]

i'll take the shitty ass boat over the terrible mansion any day

[chilly thorn]

What’s wrong with lawmaker

[bitter mason]

I prefer home invasion....

[chilly thorn]

The only map I would call really good in dark waters is the rig

[hybrid wren]

Eh idk

[chilly thorn]

Unfortunalty 3LT is mid and the yacht is probably the worst map in the game

[hybrid wren]

Feels like better illuminated, bigger Sins of The Father

[tacit gull]

huge map that looks identical wherever you go and had suspects take comically large amounts of hostages in every room

[hybrid wren]

Which is good, cause Sins of the father is quite okay, exclusing shitdarkness

[hidden finch]

Is it just me or is the hit registration in the new patch a bit wonky? I shoot at subjects when they are trying to hostage someone but before they do it and somehow i also kill the civilian 30 cm away from where i shoot

[bitter mason]

Mirage at sea's active shooter gimmick is jank and annoying
Leviathan's story is meh
Three letter triad is everything I hate in a ron level

[tacit gull]

every second you'd have toc cry about a hostage being taken

[chilly thorn]

You just described the yacht and not the mansion

The mansion isn’t even bigger then valley

[hybrid wren]

Please Judge we need this, the hostage is kinda taken

[bitter mason]

Nah in yatch its just the civvies getting slimed

[tacit gull]

😭

[chilly thorn]

How does TOC even know

[uncut mountain]

🤫

[bitter mason]

Ron told him

[chilly thorn]

The yacht had such a good concept too, they should port over the mechanics form pier

[tacit gull]

If yacht had that fucking idiot actually have an animation or SOME sort of voiceline atleast it would be so much better

Whoever praised that mission fuck you

[chilly thorn]

The yacht is just bad no matter what the maps layout is too boring and samey and literally doesn’t have a single set piece

Even if it was standard barricaded suspects I’d hate it PLUS IT HAS THE WORST OST IN THE WHOLE GAME

[tacit gull]

and despite 3LT not having literally any hostage in a POLICE GAME which is baffling its one of the better playing maps

[bitter mason]

That is my problem
The activation for active shooter is completely artificial

[chilly thorn]

three letter triad looks great and the dual suspect archetype is fun, plus it’s not large

[tacit gull]

RON with its current doghit gameplay is better as a rainbow six game as demonstrated by the dlc maps

[bitter mason]

☝️

Feels like void would rather make a rainbow six game

[chilly thorn]

I mean the new boiling point maps are really
Good

[bitter mason]

They alright

[tacit gull]

that explosion on ANA is AWESOMEEEE!!!!
what the fuck is it doing in a police game exactly

[chilly thorn]

Who the fuck cares

Oh no
My realism
Is gone

[tacit gull]

clearly we do

[bitter mason]

I mean its a fail state thing so its okay

[chilly thorn]

This game was never fucking realistic to begin with lol

Making some fun set pieces to write a story is
Fine

[tacit gull]

It has nothing to do with realism and everything to do with the complete and utter identity crisis this game has

[uncut mountain]

god i hate hide and seek so much the civilians are so non compliant and ended up getting taken hostage

[tacit gull]

At the very least the ending of the base game has you do a joint op with the FBI

but just about EVERYTHING in the DLCs sees you turn into a multistate, multi jurisdiction counter terrorism team

which is NOT police

[chilly thorn]

Narcos is literally a normal ass map

All of home invasion make perfect sense for swat

[hybrid wren]

I mean one of the selling points was the reality of the police and the gravity of real life tragedies

But upon closer look it looks more like DC Absolute Universe

[chilly thorn]

Yes but this game has to tell more because they already did that you can only
Do a mass shooting so much

[tacit gull]

lmao absolutely not

[chilly thorn]

The new focus is on authority and collapse

And that’s been obvious since the beginning it was leading there

[hybrid wren]

RoN Hoi4 mod when

[fringe fjord]

we are one update away from cag dlc

[tacit gull]

SWAT 4 has way better REAL police stories, they dont need a whole skyscraper collapsing to make you feel something

[stoic thistle]

Isn't the Fire Rises similar in principle to what's going on?

[chilly thorn]

Then play swat 4

[hybrid wren]

It doesnt have LSPD

[stoic thistle]

LAPD reunites America.

[chilly thorn]

We love swat 4

(Even if a lot of the maps suck)

[tacit gull]

I'm just saying this game lacks in storytelling so bad that you need a massive setpiece just to sell it

in SWAT 4 you have a bunch of idiots that already blew themselves up before you even got there

[chilly thorn]

That’s on bank in this game

[tacit gull]

And the aftermath is crazy to look at on its own

On bank one room is just

black

[hybrid wren]

"With the New America, we can finally fill the VOID that was caused by THE SINS OF THE FATHER this VALLEY OF DOLLS have left in us"
— Judge

"...I'm ready"

[tacit gull]

and you cant even go in to see it lmao

[hybrid wren]

Toilets hanging on last screws

[chilly thorn]

I did like the agricultural centre gameplay wise

[tacit gull]

how are we gonna shit 😭

[chilly thorn]

Plot wise not so much it’s really stupid besides the bomb part

[hybrid wren]

I mean it's funny

[bitter mason]

Shit in the nightclub mouth urinals

[hybrid wren]

Angry farmers decide to blow up agriculture center

[chilly thorn]

It is funny but I think swat 4 focuses on comedy a lil too much to take it seriously

[cerulean anvil]

i join the chat and this is the first thing i see💀

[bitter mason]

Feels more believable to me than upf taking a fucking oilrig and hanging the workers

[tacit gull]

lmao

[hybrid wren]

Eh idk there is a horror aspect to it aswell, plus the Mt Theshhold

[stoic thistle]

Lawmaker made sense.

[tacit gull]

it makes more sense that they'd get cheap shit bombs from the chinese that dont even work

[chilly thorn]

lawmaker is just a break in

[hybrid wren]

Also the Granite Hotel level is awesome with it's plot twist

[tacit gull]

yeah a break in where they paint it oh and also kill everyone inside and take hostages 😭

[chilly thorn]

It doesn’t make sense for them to bomb the shit In general their motive was understandable but waaaayyy not major enough to make people violent

[hybrid wren]

As in that it's not just narrative but affects gameplay severely

[tacit gull]

yeah nobody knows about the bombs

[chilly thorn]

I’d say even the fucking hand were more justified

[bitter mason]

Postal worker moment

[hybrid wren]

I mean you are not even supposed to disarm them cause you're just a swat team but you dont have time for that

[tacit gull]

unlike in RON where the mission description doesnt tell you shit AT ALL TIMES in swat 4 going in without something that was told to you is a big deal

[hybrid wren]

Which makes the agriculture level in turn even more funny

Cause this time around the boss is like "Yep, you disabled bombs before, you can do it again, take these NVGs and have fun"

[chilly thorn]

Night vision in swat 4 makes my brain bleed

God bad night Vision gives me the worst motion sickness

[bitter mason]

One that got me unreasonably upset is how they never really point out anything dubious with the tac maps like swat 4 does sometimes
In sins the tac map is outdated by fucking years and they dont even mention that, would be great if the briefing explains its a rundown of the floors but renovations happened in the past so some rooms might be different

[bitter mason]

Tried using it once
Never used it again

[wintry folio]

Guys do y'all game crash too if u try to play a single player mission

[chilly thorn]

I love the cardboard rust belt map it’s too funny

[tacit gull]

the a bomb club map 😭

[stoic thistle]

I played an Arma reforger with monotube night vision, I could hardly see the people directly in front of me.

[tacit gull]

you have the same thing in rust belt except somehow worse

[bitter mason]

Shit is cool just having the bare minimum of information but its reasonably explained in the briefing the information isn't reliable

[tacit gull]

monotube is goates

[chilly thorn]

I still find it funny how the night club map is essentially a race war but for some god forsaken reason they just both decided to stop fighting each other and start killing civvies instead

[tacit gull]

we dont do gang wars in ready or not

[chilly thorn]

The old hotel was one

[bitter mason]

Crossfire hit the civvies
They dont attack each other because score system moment. Ron does the same

[tacit gull]

yeah but it isnt anymore is it

[vestal condor]

hey in the coop lobby why is there a riot

[bitter mason]

That lady suspect on relapse apparently being a vigilante and its just something anyone can miss because the ai is the same as the hand

[fringe fjord]

ok

[chilly thorn]

They shoot civvies though like actively you don’t point a gun at a Girl on her knees and dome her by mistake

[tacit gull]

she is so out of left field but she just gets shot like anyone else 😭

[bitter mason]

Ive not had them shoot civvies

[chilly thorn]

I have

[bitter mason]

Idk why they even bothered including her

[chilly thorn]

Isn’t she a member?

[hybrid wren]

Oh so she is not the member of the hand

[chilly thorn]

They talk to each other like allies I even heard her speak Arabic to them

[bitter mason]

No apparently she is a vigilante trying to kill quadamah but nothing reflects that in gameplay

[hybrid wren]

Lmao, i was like "wtf why this chick is with islamic terrorists? Is she like vigilante or something?"

[tacit gull]

nobody knows because i dont even think she gets the comically large description

[bitter mason]

If its not the case then good but I've heard a few times what's what she is there for

[tacit gull]

wait is that real

[hybrid wren]

She says that this wouldnt happen if we werent such pigs

[chilly thorn]

I mean the entire hand is their to kill qadamah for the night club attack

[stoic thistle]

They could have a barred door and her voice saying "I'm with you guys, I managed to wound one of them".

[hybrid wren]

She doesnt wear hair covering

Feels very random tbh

[bitter mason]

"She is loving and caring person who got a day job at a car wash in 2016 and had been working there all her life, she is hard working and has a warm smile... " 🤖

[tacit gull]

lmao

[bitter mason]

Not rescue him?

[chilly thorn]

I’m pretty sure she’s just a member the race doesn’t have anything to do with it and the hand don’t even seem Islamic to me just very angry about the country

[tacit gull]

I'm pretty sure they're not there to kill him lmao

[chilly thorn]

Most of the hand didn’t want the neon tomb attack to happen they wanted him done for that they lost good members

[bitter mason]

Then why do they arm him and work with him lmao
Stupid ass game

[stoic thistle]

Where did you hear that?

[chilly thorn]

That’s why the relapse suspects shout “WHERE IS THAT BOY!?”

[uncut mountain]

huh i just found out FISA actually sends NPC swat members to hide and seek

[hybrid wren]

When i was playing Mt Theshhold trough SEF for the first time i remember getting very angry at the suspects cause there was so much DOAs around

[chilly thorn]

And that’s why they made it so qadamah always spawns alone

[tacit gull]

Fuck you mean they didnt want that to happen and then they go and shoot up an entire hospital

that doesnt make any sense

[chilly thorn]

I mean their cover is blown now so might as well

[bitter mason]

Worst fucking plot in the world

[hybrid wren]

Even in A bomb nightclub it's just wounded civvies, there they are just fucking dead

[tacit gull]

if what you're saying is real then the writer is actually clueless

[hybrid wren]

And it's not like they got into a fight with each other or something went wrong with their plans, they deliberatly came here to kill these people, which is just monstrous

[stoic thistle]

They can blow up the vehicle transporting him, or just have 1 guy disguised as a doctor take him out.

[tacit gull]

makes 0 sense

[bitter mason]

The writing is just really dumb and only makes sense if you come up with 50 excuses most of the time

[tacit gull]

oh yeah lets get more of our members killed

what the fuck are you talking about

[chilly thorn]

All this makes me wish relapse was actually finished but it’s just there for some reason

[stoic thistle]

Where are you getting this from?

[hybrid wren]

One of few times you'll see suspects as geniune villains rather than goons

[sand hull]

i’d like more grounded, realistic swat missions. don’t get me wrong the action movie missions are cool and exciting, but i wanna be a swat officer not a superhero

[tacit gull]

^

[chilly thorn]

Info on the briefing and the suspects dialogue

They literally shout about wanting to get him

And not in a very “imma save them way”

[tacit gull]

I dont think they ever say they want to KILL him

[bitter mason]

Makes even less sense for there to be no cops then
Idk how quadamah got armed

[tacit gull]

yeah where the fuck would he have gotten a gun

[stoic thistle]

When they shout "that boy killed our people in cold blood", I thought they were talking about Judge.

[hybrid wren]

He got gun in his ahh

[tacit gull]

NEXT TO THE MRI MACHINE

[chilly thorn]

They always refer to qadamah as that boy

Idk why he’s like 37

[bitter mason]

Quadamah eating coins before going for an mri scan

[tacit gull]

real

[stoic thistle]

So, they go to kill a guy, but give him a gun and spray paint his name everywhere?

[tacit gull]

yeah no

that doesnt make any sense

[chilly thorn]

He spawns with a gun?

[hybrid wren]

Why thry even waste time on ts 😭

[tacit gull]

yes

[chilly thorn]

What the fuck I’ve never had that happen before

[tacit gull]

i dont know what mods you got on cuh but this aint it 😭

[stoic thistle]

That would be like if the seals gave Bin Laden a rifle and wrote "OSAMA" all over the compound.

[chilly thorn]

I only got ragdolls return gang

I must have some weird luck

[bitter mason]

Tf do you mean bruh he always spawns with a gun for me

[tacit gull]

qadamah always has a shitty ass pistol that one of the boys clearly gave him

[chilly thorn]

What pistol is it

[tacit gull]

[hybrid wren]

"Lemme do a little enviornental storytelling for da cops cuh"

[chilly thorn]

Well I wanna know if he could have grabbed it off a dead guard

[bitter mason]

It's a makarov probably

[chilly thorn]

If it’s a
Glock that’s possible theirs dead guards every where on that map

[bitter mason]

The nightclub guards
Who weren't armed

No dead cops
No alive cops

[chilly thorn]

The security guard corpses on relapse have holsters it’s a different model

[hybrid wren]

Enough on Fisa speculations

Time for real theories

[bitter mason]

Fisa planted a gun for him ig

Thats the kind of logic needed for ron

[hybrid wren]

Who wanted to kill the Korean Ambassador in SWAT4 hospital mission??

[bitter mason]

Mysterious terrorists

[chilly thorn]

Why the fuck did the in universe equilivent of Tpusa shoot up a concert

[hybrid wren]

Why did he send in Airsfot squad??

[bitter mason]

Hospital suspects are scary in swat 4

[hybrid wren]

Cause big satan

Duh

[chilly thorn]

Swat 4 struggled with justifying most their mass shooters goals and reasons lol

It feels like they were too scared to make anything to real I suppose

[bitter mason]

No??

[hybrid wren]

Even anti human cloning people?

[bitter mason]

It just sometimes leaves things ambiguous

[hardy tendon]

Ready or Not Wiki-

After the Club incident, remnants of "The Hand" go to rescue the lone surviving leader, now placed under police supervision in the Coastal Grove Medical Center ICU.

—-

He is being held In the pediatric wing and is on the MRI room because he was getting a scan.
The handcuffs are attached to the bed still and you can see some texts regarding him and the lunch break of the police watching him. The reason he is in the MRI is because come cops beat his ass while he was in prison.
Multiple people have done vids on lore.
I suggest the Issac guy

[bitter mason]

See they aint killing him

[chilly thorn]

Really? Then why do they talk about like fucking killing him

Probably just because the map
Is unfinished I guess

[hybrid wren]

Maybe cause they nervous

[hardy tendon]

Is rescue mission. They are aggressive about it because, idk they are terrorists??

[hybrid wren]

And about to blow

[bitter mason]

They just a lil stressed

[chilly thorn]

I do like the hand as a faction I just wish they got used for another map

[hardy tendon]

Yessuh only reason he’s even there is because some cops got a hold of him, their daughters were killed at the nightclub

I hope they come back, not saying there good people but the map are really good

[hybrid wren]

Which mission is the most cartoonish in RoN?

[chilly thorn]

Streamer

[jaunty pebble]

Why is my officer taking his sweet time loading his 2011 while being shot at
Who thought that this is a good design choice when usually you draw your pistol when youre in a pinch not when you have time for allat

[hardy tendon]

tahara tahara tahara

[hybrid wren]

Maybe Oil Rig missions, or Carriers of Vine

[hardy tendon]

Nah the oil rig is a different faction with their own lore

[chilly thorn]

Oil rig could happen, infact easily
With the fucking state of the city

[hybrid wren]

Idk sending 4 man SWAT team on CoD MW2 mission sounds extremely funny to me

[chilly thorn]

The only reason the UPF attacked the oil rig was because the MLO radicalized them

That’s why they had a massive shift In personality during the year long time jump

[hybrid wren]

Reminds me of a movie where oil rig workers were sent to drill an asteroid

[hardy tendon]

No they were always going to do something toit, they are the ones trying to kill its creator on Lawmaker, Sven Anderson

[chilly thorn]

Honestly idk why people complain because we get an oil rig map out of it

[hybrid wren]

MW2

[chilly thorn]

Like who cares if it’s not realistic it’s fucking cool

The oil rig map
Is good too

[hardy tendon]

You can find a little figurine of the Oil Rig before it even existed, in his house

[vestal condor]

Is the shield able to be broken

[chilly thorn]

They weren’t exactly trying to kill him more of just assault him, the only reasons things got violent is because of the police presence

They were scared kids with guns

Horrible combo

[hybrid wren]

I imagibe 4 guys on a small boat and then MW2 oil rig gameplay montage

[chilly thorn]

I never liked cod, zombies tho

[hardy tendon]

I don’t think that makes it better, they weren’t attacking the oul rig either then.
They were just trying to shut it down until people started fighting

[hybrid wren]

Music is awesome

[vestal condor]

Ohh can someone explain the lore of boiling point to me

[chilly thorn]

Zombies was my only cod enjoyment

[chilly thorn]

It’s a little too much

[hybrid wren]

You even dont like veteran??

[stoic thistle]

Does the UPF clean their guns with vegetable oil?

[vestal condor]

Ok then is there any YouTube essay

[chilly thorn]

I liked the bo1 and waw campaign for their art style and story (even with the historical inaccuracies) and I suppose bo2 as well

[coral tapir]

[chilly thorn]

But the gameplay of all those games is just shooting shit

[hybrid wren]

I didnt like BO2

I love MW1-BO1 CoDs

[hybrid wren]

Didnt hate but not as much

It was too corny

MW2 is pure aura farming game, just like BO1

[chilly thorn]

I don’t like modern warfare

[hybrid wren]

Why?

[hardy tendon]

MK ULTRA PROGRAM-judge is a part of it, Elaine Raskin is a part of it, Gerard Scott is a part of it, FISA AND USIA are in on it. Back on three letter triad, they traded an illegal chemical weapon between the Black Sentinel and MLO. They use this weapon in the new DLC to make people not trust the police, think that they can’t save them. They attack a pier, which causes rioting. They try to blow up the bank. To distract police from their terorist attack on city hall. Where they kill the mayor and intend to blow up the skyscraper. Judge joins MLO and gets a fancy watch and a drippy tattoo.

That’s the short version.

[chilly thorn]

American military shooting Russians, story doesn’t interest me

[stoic thistle]

USIA tried to make uncorruptable cops to turn America into a dictatorship. Experiment failed and made the MLO. The MLO, puppeteering black sentinel, bought a neurotoxin from Los navigantes. They then had the remains of Los navigantes shoot up and gas the pier, sparking riots in Los Suenos. Black sentinel, alongside the rioters, rob the unity banc in order to kill its CEO and blow it up. Finally, the MLO take over city hall in an attempt to destroy several buildings and usher in a new America.

[chilly thorn]

It would be more interesting if America lost

[hybrid wren]

Eh i think it's quite good if we overlook the plausability and dumb camo

Makarov is the GOAT

[chilly thorn]

It feels basic to me

[hybrid wren]

Sheperd is awesome too

[hardy tendon]

I like mw a lot and I like cold wars campaign too

Yo do milk duds still exist

[lost inlet]

no.

[chilly thorn]

I liked one mission from mw and that’s the one with the Washington monument and the entire homeland under a orange haze section

But other then that set piece I don’t care

[hybrid wren]

MW was actually quite balanced with it's depiction if Russians, OG one ofc

[hardy tendon]

Most don’t play call of duty for the plot

[hybrid wren]

Not realistic but balanced

[hybrid wren]

For aura

[chilly thorn]

I only play cod for zombies

[hardy tendon]

Yeah mw was the last one that Russians weren’t unstoppable monsters. Germans suffer from the same thing

[chilly thorn]

Actually unique gameplay, good soundtrack, stupid lore (in a good way) and fun ideas

[hardy tendon]

German/Russsian=psychopatch in ANY war game ANY era

[hybrid wren]

BO1 is so stupid

[hardy tendon]

Germans get a bad rep they only did that one thing that one time….

[hybrid wren]

In a good way

Murica heck yeah ending was hilarious

[chilly thorn]

Americans move to who they hate with their propaganda war games lol

But it’s always the big 3 of Russia Germany or Random middle eastern country

[hybrid wren]

But never China

[cedar mulch]

UPF’s performance in DLC1 was truly awful; it’s not suitable as the final map.

[stoic thistle]

I can't believe that the new modern warfare 2 featured the Mexican army.

[chilly thorn]

Well china is funny

[hybrid wren]

Ghosts is so stupid, in a bad way

[chilly thorn]

China is just a funny country to me due to its history

Chinese history is some of the most fun and absurd shit of all time

[hybrid wren]

WHAT WAS YOUR MISSION IN SHANGHAI!?

[chilly thorn]

Why

[hardy tendon]

Yeah wtf china get over here

[chilly thorn]

What the fuck Mexico do

[stoic thistle]

Cartel stuff.

[hardy tendon]

free Mexico

[chilly thorn]

That ain’t the military fault T~T

But idk mw2022 lore

[hardy tendon]

Military over there is super corrupt CJNG and Sinaloa have people in LEO and Military positions

[stoic thistle]

It's goofy. Cartels working with terrorists to stop the war on drugs.

[chilly thorn]

lol

[hardy tendon]

Only you can start forest fires

[chilly thorn]

Did they actually try to paint the war on drugs as a good thing

[hybrid wren]

I have yet to play reboot MWs

[stoic thistle]

Oh, and Iran is involved.

[hybrid wren]

Cause they weigh 150 GBS

[hardy tendon]

Always is

[chilly thorn]

Of course they are 💔

[hardy tendon]

😔

[stoic thistle]

Arma 2 lore is weird too.

[hardy tendon]

Ready or not lore has me thinking California needs a flood

[stoic thistle]

Americans, British, Czechs, Germans, Chinese, and Russians intervening in a Middle Eastern country the size of Lebanon.

[cedar mulch]

To be honest, I think cartels in Ron’s version of the world are more powerful. I suspect they held the upper hand in the Mexican Civil War.

[hybrid wren]

Not as weird as Siege Lore

[chilly thorn]

Ready or not is the byproduct of the government of America trying to create a dictatorship through force, what’s happening in LS is happening everywhere

[hybrid wren]

Anyway main point

[chilly thorn]

America is the main villain of RoN

[hybrid wren]

When i sit down and play SWAT4 i may get frustrated, but eventually end up satisfied

I stop playing RoN due to exhausion and frustration most of the time

[chilly thorn]

Swat 4 has that midway point where all the maps are mid so I kinda get bored and drop it on repeat playthroguhs

Ready or nots main campaign only gets bad near the end

[hardy tendon]

You think a guy kidnapping and killing and assaulting kids is the fault of American Agenda?😂

[hybrid wren]

It's more bite sized

And there are less stakes for failure

[hardy tendon]

Maybe some stuff but most of it is people making choices

[chilly thorn]

I mean… he was released from
Prison…

[proven pilot]

who pays him for it?
FISA. Gotta be.

[proven pilot]

THEY RELEASED AMOS VOLL???

[stoic thistle]

I thought he got 10 years. (Why?)

[hybrid wren]

Source?

[hardy tendon]

Rich people get out of prison early all the time

[chilly thorn]

10
Years of PROBATION on the magazine I believe

FUCKING PROBATION

[stoic thistle]

He kills at least 9 children, and assaults hundreds more, and gets probation?

[proven pilot]

any mention of years IN prison or is it JUST probation?

[hybrid wren]

Realistic

[hardy tendon]

Probation doesn’t mean he was released he’s Rich and got slap on wrist, is problem in any democratic country

[stoic thistle]

Realistically, he'll become a congressman.

[hybrid wren]

Not just democratic

[chilly thorn]

Magazine just says he got 10 years of probation

[hybrid wren]

In democracy they get covered up

[chilly thorn]

Due to his connection with the spider who work with the us government

[hybrid wren]

In autocracy they never get caught in the first place

[chilly thorn]

He probably got off lightly

[stoic thistle]

Where's Gerard when you need him?

[hybrid wren]

Dead

Or behind you

He's just an asshole really

[proven pilot]

sadly 😔 if he didn't die from Judge murking him he definitely died from old age or ricin exposure

[chilly thorn]

He was pushing 60

[lucid abyss]

Can suspects on any mission pretend to be dead?

[chilly thorn]

Or something

[hybrid wren]

He looks young for 60

[chilly thorn]

I mean you can’t see him lol

[hybrid wren]

But whatever it's hollywood

[proven pilot]

he has a beard the size of a transit van fym

[hybrid wren]

Voll

[chilly thorn]

He does have very niced waxed legs for some reason

[chilly thorn]

Thought you meant Gerard

[proven pilot]

same

[chilly thorn]

Voll is like 47

[hybrid wren]

Ah, i thought you meant SWAT4 gerard

And Voll

[chilly thorn]

Wasn’t Gerard just lead in a hat lol

I forgot one of them was just his model in a hat and I found that hilarious

[hybrid wren]

I like to blame him

[chilly thorn]

God reminds me how bad base game swat 4 ai is lol

That only being able to restrain one civvie at a time pissed me off so bad

[hybrid wren]

Jackson, Fields and Reynolds are my real homies

[chilly thorn]

They were funny

I like the ready or not squad when they actually talk

But they only have like full convos on the dlc maps

[proven pilot]

yeah its really grounding - if you had to pick a fave what would you choose

[chilly thorn]

King has the most soul left in him

Free my boy from the LSPD meat grinder

[hybrid wren]

Nah Eli is the best

With his beard

[chilly thorn]

*mustache

[proven pilot]

"Hey, you get to wear cuffs. That's pretty cool!" - Eli

[chilly thorn]

“Hey these handcuffs are eco friendly so your kinda a good person”

[stoic thistle]

I made a beat cop loadout recently, and they all look weird without helmets and goggles on.

[chilly thorn]

This game has cosmetic issues

It’s better then no customization at all though

[proven pilot]

yeah, whenever your officer isn't wearing a vest he kinda looks like he has GI gut

at least hair doesn't clip through the helmets anymore

[chilly thorn]

Well they are like middle aged men

Wouldn’t expect them to be a twink

lol

[proven pilot]

not Judge he's like 31?

[chilly thorn]

I mean still

[stoic thistle]

Imagine getting arrested by one.

[hybrid wren]

The classic helmet looks too wide

[proven pilot]

true hes divorced

[chilly thorn]

That wouldn’t be a punishment is all I’m saying

[hybrid wren]

And glass visors look weird

[proven pilot]

i have no comment

[hybrid wren]

Esp on gas masks

[stoic thistle]

Every server I'm on has gay people.

[chilly thorn]

I love my bf!!!

[chilly thorn]

I remember some fucking guy saying that character customization makes this game worse somehow and I just couldn’t get it

[stoic thistle]

But I digress, how did the MLO rig several buildings undetected?

[chilly thorn]

I like to hate on this game but some people feel like they just don’t even fucking see anything in it and they force themselves to hate basic game design

It’s all sad man no hope culture and I hate it

[proven pilot]

there's a suspect in ANA that is wearing maintenance gear, could be that they installed them in maintenance shafts and stuff like in the basement of AGB

[hybrid wren]

Cause it bloats the game probably and makes for inconsistent visuals?

[chilly thorn]

I mean it’s consistently tactical gear

And nobody complains about souls armor customization

[proven pilot]

Hawaiian polo

[chilly thorn]

So I don’t see the issue at all

[chilly thorn]

Those have been worn

[stoic thistle]

Add Rhodesian brush stroke and they'll have a bunch of new customers.

[proven pilot]

i think in the Home ending judge is wearing the Hawaiian shirt the black VOTD jeans and the Port shoes so he pretty much looks just like a divorced dad in his freetime

[chilly thorn]

I believe judges family was killed lol but he doesn’t know

[proven pilot]

But what would his kids or his wife have done to get blasted by FISA/USIA?

[chilly thorn]

Real life cia would kill people jsut for talking to someone

[proven pilot]

Judge suspects that his wife was just another person in his life reading from a script. might be true since he's been investigating his own live for like four years

[proven pilot]

god the janitor hit with the icbm

[mint python]

Also teddy bear with small gas bomb inside HQ

[chilly thorn]

I feel like what happened is either judges family was fake to lure him in, or once he was put in the program they were
“Dissapeared”
And he was programmed to believe they divorced

[proven pilot]

Crystal's bear had a nerve toxin in it?

[proven pilot]

he never really said they divorced. just said she packed up

[chilly thorn]

The fake cops on pier put gas bombs inside of kids toys and gift shop items to cause as much kills as possible

[proven pilot]

jesus...

[stoic thistle]

Vile creatures.

[chilly thorn]

Pirates did this just to get chemical weapons

Irl pirates are kinda heartless so I suppose these ones didn’t give a fuck about people

[mint python]

its not in the evidence locker, interacted with it and it said its for some officer thats going thru a divorce, its in the room where there are 2 undercover cops and 2 uniformed cops

[tulip shell]

Random bullshit question but what guns would you guys want to see added to the game?

[fading cedar]

sniper rifles

r700 etc

[zinc lantern]

What are we going to do with a sniper rifle in a game that doesn’t have engagements that exceed like 40 meters lol

[tulip shell]

DLC that focuses on long range engagements?

[zinc lantern]

Given the way the AI operates at range, I don’t think I want long range engagements

[tacit gull]

give us a famas since we're already counter terrorists

[mortal geode]

speaking of another dlc, Airport would be good, kinda like in cod:mw2 but we play as good guys

[tacit gull]

and a 10mm pistol

[tulip shell]

Which FAMAS?

[tacit gull]

personally i'd like an f1 but the devs probably wont do it

they'll just pick one of the modern ones or some unholy abomination with its carry sawn off

[tulip shell]

Honestly I'd like some "Bad-Guy" guns like an Uzi, an AKM, etc.

[tacit gull]

we already have that essentially with the mk v and the g18

[tulip shell]

Yeah but those are secondaries

[tacit gull]

instead of the uzi i want the mpl back

[tulip shell]

H- The fucking MPL was usable?

When???

[hybrid wren]

ASVAL🤤

[floral peak]

W name my friend

[tulip shell]

Thank you thank you

[floral peak]

One of my fav bands

[hybrid wren]

AN-94 🤤🤤

[tulip shell]

Question, where the hell would the LSPD get those?

[hybrid wren]

At the british museum

[tacit gull]

like 4 years ago i think

its in the preorder trailer

[jolly verge]

It is still usable

[hybrid wren]

Mustard gas update when

[tulip shell]

Brother they are LAW ENFORCEMENT

[hybrid wren]

Ok then

Torture update when

[floral peak]

Judge torturing capture flower man

[old idol]

Let us torture Gerard and have him yap about how we're a USIA supersoldier and the MLO are inevitable

[old flare]

Lore peaked too early

Should have done more ordinary shit before the avengers level threats

[proven pilot]

As someone whos been tracking the game since the beta and playing it since Home Invasion, I disagree. The entire Boiling Point DLC is an avengers level threat - everything else is technically and very loosely feasible.

Makes more sense to call in the Marshalls for Relapse or BDRTAC for Rust Belt but in the world of RoN i suppose theres enough funding cuts to where its not possible

[old flare]

Im saying gameplay wise the 3rd dlc shouldnt be the climax of the main enemy

Imo

[proven pilot]

Maybe it'll only get harder from here on
Jesus Christ I can't imagine

[old flare]

Exactly

[proven pilot]

After all there are probably some remnants of the MLO left to fight, and we might even see the dam that the 1st cohort tried to fuck around with

[old flare]

It's going to really limit them on what they can do next, this was a great dlc but now where can we go from here? Its not going to be nearly dramatic enough to overshadow what happened

[proven pilot]

But at the same time you can only top city hall with
idk an old Cold War missile silo

[old flare]

Thats what im saying, it's bad that it has peaked

[left nexus]

will any progress i make in safe mode save to normal mode

[old flare]

wym safe mode?

[left nexus]

like running without mods

i dont want to have to move everything over every time

[old flare]

Not sure i dont play with mods sorry

[left nexus]

ah alright

[proven pilot]

i haven't used safe mode, i just unload everything

[left nexus]

ill just move all of it out

[proven pilot]

good luck

[proven pilot]

I think they can top it
even if it wild, they gotta. VOID has some great storytellers, just look at the environments (the ones that aren't lo-poly af)

[uncut mountain]

how many magazines do you guys use usually?

[old flare]

But then they will strave away from realism, It's gonna be like fucking fortnite after like chapter 69 where they need to keep going bigger instead of starting small and working your way up

[uncut mountain]

i mean bring

[old flare]

Like there wasnt any gang dlcs before, political corruption ones, domestic calls going sour or kind of ordinary swat stuff

[proven pilot]

on rifles like 4, with smgs 5

[old flare]

We shouldn't be expecting every DLC to be the wildest wild shit

It should be like the home invasion one where there was a hurricane and people took advantage of it. realistic and also grand not the worlds greatest terror organization siezing the city hall and doing a fight club ending

[uncut mountain]

i thought people bring more, i usually bring 7

[proven pilot]

MLO needs to recuperate after the loss. maybe the next DLC (maybe even plural) will be more buildup, and then all hell will break loose

[outer fossil]

I am buying boiling point today, how hard is it?

[proven pilot]

on non lethal sure

[stone bay]

True, this lore is getting to unrealistic, its like a mission impossible movie

[old flare]

BRO a CIA sleeper organization full of the most deadly soldiers ever tried to blow up a major city. what do you consider hell breaking lose??

Hell has already broken loose

The fact people still even live in los suenos is bonkers, they would be granted fucking asylum in any country

[old flare]

'somehow, the MLO is back' isn't good storytelling

[pseudo pulsar]

can you do programmed psychosis pulling the detonator yourself and get a soft complete or do you have to complete ANA regularly? (bring order to chaos)

I'm asking this because it would be easier to do this than have to clear out the whole level for the achievement

[mint python]

you gotta do it in single player thats all i know

[hexed escarp]

its been a call of duty plot since dark waters honestly

[old flare]

Tel aviv DLC is gonna go crazy

[hexed escarp]

d-platoon gets sent to gaza to fight hamas ❤️

big yahu give the LSPD our 6000 dollars

[old flare]

'D-platoon listen up, the LSPD's biggest doners are under attack'

[outer fossil]

what is this new storyline in boiling point wth

[old idol]

Berlin dlc

We must protect the doner vendors

They are carrying Berlins economy

The d in d platoon stands for doner

[bitter mason]

Donner kebab platoon

[umbral gorge]

Does any of your team members ai dying avoids The Heat is On achievement? Since in multiplayer it’s bugged after trying to do it countless tries.

[old flare]

tell them to hold outsidfe

go in alone

[marsh lark]

They never died out though. We have had them here forever. The thing is that they simply aren't united as a whole and feel like a loose organization

Gerard and Raskin weren't that united with MLO but showed interest towards Judge

[umbral gorge]

Failing main objectives for rescuing all civilians doesn’t void the achievement? I just saw someone get it while failing it, while previous achievements all had requirements to finish with all main objectives/C rank.

[floral peak]

I wonder if we will see more of Detective Reed

[proven pilot]

yeah i didn't even know which was Reed till BP, she seems chill

maybe she can even speak in a briefing for a new DLC if it comes

[floral peak]

you can actually see her in Detective Bureau

[proven pilot]

yup, the lady with the jacket, and the hair

ykwim

[floral peak]

hope nothing bad happens with her foreshadowing for next DLCs

she seems like to understand judge

[proven pilot]

eh she's trying. his mind is truly an enigma even doc can't crack

[floral peak]

speaking of doc, why did he locked up in room?

sometimes when im in station, his room is closed

[proven pilot]

probably sleeping. older folks.

but it might also be bc there's evidence in there and in multiplayer lobbies the evidence room is closed

[floral peak]

i was in commander

[proven pilot]

hm... wonder why his room IS closed then. Maybe he's elsewhere in the station?

[floral peak]

i think its simpler: bc every time you get in station, new evidence cycle

One time you get on station you might find burned dismembered hand, and other time artifact from old listening room

[surreal pelican]

Burned dismembered hand? Where?

[floral peak]

at the right of the entrance to evidence lockers room

[novel wing]

anyway to play with only one ai teamate?

[proven pilot]

oh right yeah. i wonder why VOID made that choice, considering BP all happens in the same night

[floral peak]

noep

[surreal pelican]

Ohh, the burnt one

[static talon]

How can i get that cool Screenshots like in the Screenshots channel

[surreal pelican]

I'm pretty sure that's from no good deed; because one of the civs said a flower head guy handed him a "trinket" before the shootings started

[floral peak]

Why is one of detectives looks like Grace Walker from Wolfenstein A New Colosus 😭

[surreal pelican]

[proven pilot]

BJB's wife?

[upper mauve]

anyone else fw with the 90s lapd swat outfits hard

[surreal pelican]

Me

[mortal geode]

kinda

[floral peak]

yes

[surreal pelican]

You can kinda make MLO outfit with the 90s swat BDU

Just use the woodland camo

And then join multiplayer lobby on ana.. and start throwing flashbangs and rushing your teammates......

[warm gate]

We just need a fal and we can go full mlo

[floral peak]

Sa-58 will do

[surreal pelican]

G3's a good alternative

[mortal geode]

damn bro, i love that🥹

[surreal pelican]

Let the chaos unfold

[ember sonnet]

I just put a requiem bullet through volls face, he deserved it

[warm gate]

Makes sense

[coral tapir]

Yeah honestly I don't get why they get a full-fledged FN FAL while we get the what I would call "FN FAL at home" which is SA-58, though still an FN FAL variant, not really the one I wanted to get to use.

[warm gate]

[surreal pelican]

Same roar as the FN FAL they have..

[surreal pelican]

We get the modern variants lol; look at the SLR47

[warm gate]

I wanna go full insurgency sandstorm on the mlo

[surreal pelican]

Remember to replace your throwables for stingers too

[warm gate]

I have a plan swan i just need money

[coral tapir]

Oh yeah what do y'all think of Stinger grenades?

[surreal pelican]

Sponsored by the MLO

[surreal pelican]

Larger radius, heavier weight

[warm gate]

[surreal pelican]

[coral tapir]

MLO approved.

[surreal pelican]

I think.. I think I miss Helldivers...

i grinded the trench shotgun and the new wb just to come back to Ron coz new dlc

[warm gate]

I just got the new flamethrower last night

[surreal pelican]

giga grenade BUSTED AF tho. sucks that they only grant you one fucking giga grenade per resupp. even the supply pack & box only refills one

[surreal pelican]

Nice

[coral tapir]

What is your favorite weapon in Battle Rifle section?

[warm gate]

Giga nades are fun tho eventhough theyre tgrown ultamatiums and people still glaze tgermites

[surreal pelican]

Curious; why is there a electrical warning sign at the bottom of the ballistic shield?

[warm gate]

Either the g3 or the scar

[surreal pelican]

Thermites is just goo goo gaa gaa;

Giga grenade needs skill imho coz of the shitty throwing arc lol

[old flare]

M14, makes me feel like gary gordon

[surreal pelican]

G3 just for the looks, sound and feel

[coral tapir]

Mine's either M14S-16, MK17 or RTWC-6.5

Dunno what to love which one more.

[warm gate]

I like both i just get into the world war 1 theme and then i have to use giga grenades

[surreal pelican]

RTWC feels awkward for me

[surreal pelican]

I really wish they'd grant us full giga grenade resup if resup via supply pod or resupp pack

It ain't right man; it only grants us 1 back

[coral tapir]

Makes sense I guess, considering someone did a stat test on it and it performs worse than the rest of Battle Rifles? Ehh though that doesn't really matter too much as I always aim for head or torso, had PTSD on attempting to get suspects via the limbs. And also that it has very low recoil in comparison so that makes tapping better.

[warm gate]

Honestly i just tend to use mine for chaff clear then i carry my trusty carl gustav for tanks

[floral peak]

im in love with RTWC

[warm gate]

The rtwc has spam potential

[mortal geode]

together we are MLO

[deep patio]

the gunshots sound really good

[surreal pelican]

I love the low recoil, but it just feels.. very awkward. Coz whenever I use the other battle rifles I get hit with the large recoil lol. Maybe not used to it

[surreal pelican]

We are MLO..

[coral tapir]

Reasonable.

[surreal pelican]

I use it for hulk and above clear. Fuck the war striders

[warm gate]

Best way to use them too

[surreal pelican]

You still need to aim the giga for its eye or it won't die in 1 hit

[floral peak]

i fucking hate SWAT ai

[surreal pelican]

Me too

[warm gate]

The squids just piss me off with these mo stuff tgats why i chaff clear them

[surreal pelican]

I was too focused on ron to bother going on seasse

[coral tapir]

If you never had a match where SWAT AI ever performing bad in any situation you might as well gamble IRL lmfao.

[floral peak]

i turned away for one second, suspect walks in and mag dumps my SWAT while they just stand and yell "GET DOWN"

[surreal pelican]

LOL wtf

[warm gate]

Oh you havent heard

[surreal pelican]

New squids

[floral peak]

Literally how hard i gotta babysit 😭