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[covert aurora]

I could imagen Lethal Obession with those

[chilly thorn]

• its not like its too hard to disable a bear trap

[magic hearth]

Nobody wants a hand to hand system more than me 🤣 but that would be a huge amount of work

[chilly thorn]

Metal Gear CQB but theres a random chance you just get shot in the chest when you fuck with the wrong suspect

That would be funny asf

[magic hearth]

Ideally in my mind it would have to lean into not throwing you into lethality instantly

so either you'd have the ability to break distance from a suspect and then choose to engage or judo locks

again this is in a dream world nothing being added

[covert aurora]

Oooo that would be fun!

[chilly thorn]

Maybe you could command swat ai to tackle a suspect if they are close enough and they are hesitating? It would look pretty cool.

[magic hearth]

QTE's are a taboo sadly but it would be a great thing to do for something like this

holding down a methed out suspect so the second man can attend with cuffs

[covert aurora]

Please no QTEs let that age die with RE4/RE5 and i think 6

[chilly thorn]

I wish the arresting system was more in depth surrenders don’t have enough tension

[chilly thorn]

There’s more creative ways to do QTEs rather then button pushes

Maybe something like that

[covert aurora]

I agree

[magic hearth]

I think QTE's get a lot of shade simply because they were suuper overdone and not properly contextual

[covert aurora]

True

[magic hearth]

fighting a guys arm so he doesn't prick you with a needle with button mashing sounds quite cool to me

[chilly thorn]

when you think about a parry in dark souls is just a QTE without a prompt.

[covert aurora]

Or a suspect grabbing the barrel of your gun

[chilly thorn]

IF A SUSPECT DOES THE THING WHERE THEY HOLD MY PISTOL SLIDE BACK I WILL LEGIT UNINSTALL OUT OF FEAR

[covert aurora]

Lol

[chilly thorn]

This is outta context kinda but I wish/hope we get more enviromental or scripted animations for suspects like the suspects pissing in the urinals in old builds of the game

[magic hearth]

Some maps should have this it's just by the time you get there everyone is out of the calm state

like gas

[covert aurora]

Imagen... unarmed suspect... grabs the barrel of your rifle and tries to wrestle it out of your arms...

[cedar mulch]

Have VOID considered adding more varieties of traps? I feel they're rather monotonous.

[chilly thorn]

Hey martin I doubt you know but like do the devs know that the gore system is broken? I don't want to annoy you but its been broken for like 2 years....

[magic hearth]

Can be something for the future we've teased different traps before ages ago

[magic hearth]

Not expanded or broken?

[chilly thorn]

The old builds of the game would have character deformation such as like dynamically deforming their face with bullet wounds it was like a paralax affect it broke after UE5 update dropped (DLC1)

[cedar mulch]

So, were the worldview, background, and organisational structures conceived by you?

[magic hearth]

Still present it just might not be as visual because it was very buggy when it got to a certain point

[chilly thorn]

aw man so it was intentional? cuz it looks really really bad now.

[magic hearth]

lots of characters, evidence and story beats etc

You should still be able to shoot parts of the face off before the mesh changes

[chilly thorn]

You can't. I've tested it a lot.

Its just the red decal now.

that or its so absurdly subtle its nigh unnoticable.

I have comparision pictures its been a pet peave of mine with every update not acknowledging it for a bit lol

[covert aurora]

It may have gotten toned down with console not 100% sure. I did see your list and forwared it.

[chilly thorn]

Its been the same since Home Invasion

[pale shoal]

im fine with the gore and deformation with how it is tbh. I would really like it for death screams to stop if you shoot them again tho. Its pretty immersion breaking when theres a guy screaming after you put 2 shots in his head

[chilly thorn]

I hope the devs at least will confirm thats its never coming back because I want to atleast have acknowledgement of the mechanic.

[covert aurora]

I mean they could be aware of it and looking into it, its possible its taking quite abit of time why its doing it. Cause UE

[chilly thorn]

I posted a small bit of images showing off how it looked in 1.0 stuff like this cannot even get closed to being replicated in the current game. :p

I get that it could be janky but I feel as if that is way better then coating there face in red as it is currently

[covert aurora]

Sounds like a mesh issue to me.

[chilly thorn]

The final picture is rather funny to me its a buckshot from long range it appears as if I scalped the dude pretty gnarly stuff

[covert aurora]

For sure

[chilly thorn]

Theres one screenshot I have from a friend from adam update where he literally caved a skull in with a slug

I've just gotten more and more worried over the time is been broken its been like this for two years and I've put it in the bug reports like 10 times it was a cool system you cant blame me lol

[cedar mulch]

Why didn't they turn old hotel map into a bank robbery?

[chilly thorn]

That would just be a different map

[stone bay]

after playing the canceled version of the hotel and carriers of the vine it makes me appreciate the finalized versions 200% more

some content they could bring back and it wouldn’t feel rough, the port maps are pretty solid. they look amazing too

[spark lake]

The old ones were way better

[gusty beacon]

I would really like a bank robbery. I’m surprised they never did a homage to HEAT

[floral bramble]

I did like half a year ago. It's just sad to see a game i used to play daily fall off so hard imo.

[eternal crow]

i dunno how much you guys have to do with the collectors edition, but why isnt VISA one of the payment options? I would actually like to buy the collection set, but i can't

stuff like that is my crack cocaine lmao

void is struggling with employment?

[quasi coral]

Ooh, never heard about this before

I've always thought of beartraps on Lethal Obsession or something like that

I've always noticed that when opening the door, the one furthest from the door handle usually opens it, just me but I don't think that's right

[cloud tree]

They’re never gonna fix this game

Why did it took me 5 minutes to finally find a match

And then it says I lost connection to host

Oh the servers are down?????????

[granite smelt]

I think epic services are down right now my friend and I keep getting the unable to connect

[cloud tree]

Oh my fucking god

[granite smelt]

Noooooooo

[fading ether]

are the epic servers down?

[maiden sequoia]

Ironman and hermit done

[cloud tree]

LOL THE SWAT AI IS TWEAKING

THEY CANT KILL ME 🤣 🤣

[cosmic arrow]

Spetsnaz Tactics works everytime

Shooting suspects through the hostage is just peak big brain

[mystic palm]

Did anyone try to use the command kill me and have the swat ai using non lethal weapons??🤔

[lost inlet]

yeah, they can still kills you with it.

[cosmic arrow]

Painful way to go

[lean inlet]

so servers are done

down*

[cosmic arrow]

Yea I got that too, couldnt multiplayer all of a sudden

[lean inlet]

yeah there down

[jolly verge]

Less-lethal deal some damage but if you have gas mask they wont be able to kill you with pepperballs

[gentle void]

can someone confirm whether DLC's work on cloud gaming like geforce now

[surreal pelican]

Which use cases warrants the taser? I'm thinking of changing my bangs from 7 to 6 and replace it with a taser

[torpid onyx]

suspect is not complying and is aware of your presence

same as normal stuff

[surreal pelican]

So basically when he refuses to give up the gun (not raised), just standing idle and refusing via verbal?

[torpid onyx]

it only has a range of like 10 meters which you can demo in the underground area

[torpid onyx]

even if he's attacking you can use the taser, if it lands it immediately stun locks the person

it's essentially a guanteed surrender on 99% of suspects if you land a shot

[surreal pelican]

Ah alright, coz usually I just return fire, I missed a potential perp by like a few meters because he didn't want to give up

[surreal pelican]

How many slots should I assign to my taser? Is 1 enough?

I have 4 primary mags, 2 pistol, 6 flashbangs and just 1 taser slot atm

[late prism]

Each taser slot you take is 6 total shots, so three reloads.

I typically only take one for a lethal but I may take more if I’m doing an S rank and not taking the flash launcher.

[surreal pelican]

Hm, if that's the case then maybe I'll just stick with one slot for my lethal then

Then my AI gets 1 wedge + C2 slot each, and the bangers

[limpid whale]

I realise there may not be like a single objectively best gun and it depends on what you like, but what do most people like for different situations / calibres? There’s like 4 .308 guns does anyone who prefers .308 have a favourite?

How does .300 blackout compare to the 5.56s IE damage / penetration?

[jolly verge]

5.56 < .300blk = 7.62x39 < 7.62x51
The main issue with 5.56 is that it's can't pen level 3 armor with JHP, while any other rifle caliber can, so you have to use AP most of the time with less limbs damage and very low stagger chance on flesh hits

[limpid whale]

Huh I would’ve thought BLK would have lower pen than 556 I thought it was slower

So BLK basically all the time?

How do i know what armour level im dealing with

[cedar mulch]

VOID's implementation of suspect armour mechanics is utterly abysmal. It would be far better to adopt a system akin to SWAT's, where protection levels are differentiated by material composition.

[jolly verge]

You need AP ammo only on three missions, Elephant, Sins of the Father and Leviathan

[tacit gull]

You don't unless you lecture the spreadsheet

[cedar mulch]

To be perfectly honest, even without armour, I'd rather use AP rounds.

[jolly verge]

Why

[tacit gull]

Maybe because switching all of your mags one by one is a hassle and jhp really doesn't change much

[wind gyro]

i dont think i ever used jhp, no joke

ap supermacy

[jolly verge]

It's 2 hits vs 4 on limbs and 60% stagger chance vs 20%, if you fine with suspect keep shooting at you after 4 hits then ok

[wind gyro]

why would i aim for limbs tho

its either head, neck, or chest

[cedar mulch]

Will VOID ever release a proper helmet suspect? (Don't mention Mindjot—that's a fake.)

[wind gyro]

in what scenario would it make sense to have one

[jolly verge]

Because skill issue happen sometimes , also even if you hit torso one time suspect will keep shooting while with JHP he's more likely will flinch or stagger

[wind gyro]

well uh, how do i say this. i dont know bout no "semi-automatic"

its either drawing an outline on the suspect or getting mag dumped

you dont get to carry a weapon when im on scene

[tacit gull]

I'm pretty sure helmets were a thing at some point in development, not anymore

[jolly verge]

In any case you just using worse ammo when you can take JHP instead on 23 of 26 missions

[wind gyro]

the jhp propaganda is getting to me

[jolly verge]

7.62x51 AP richochet of suspects helmet 3 times in a row be like

[wind gyro]

i cant take it anymore

[jolly verge]

[cedar mulch]

I recall they had a model of a cartel enemy wearing a military helmet. It was originally intended for inclusion in Coyote. But they should still have it in their possession.

[tacit gull]

The model isnt equivalent to helmets functioning

[wind gyro]

i cant think of one scenario where a suspect would wear a helmet

[jolly verge]

I take JHP for meta, you take AP because you lazy to switch ammo type, we are not the same

[tacit gull]

How about literally waging war on police

[cedar mulch]

I know, they're wearing are clearly military-grade.

[wind gyro]

its like 30 clicks, its not that hard for me

just give me fucking fire and explosive rounds from rust

[coarse sail]

pelvic area is good

[rugged isle]

No need to discuss here, take buckshots and click while pointing at the general suspect direction until there are no more bullets flying toward you or/and you hear screams.

[wind gyro]

shooting the suspects dicks off

[rugged isle]

Sounds effective to take out of combat

[wind gyro]

hard to hit if they are behind cover

[coarse sail]

yup, especially with the supernova

[wind gyro]

oh yeah with a shotgun its a different thing

[coarse sail]

[rugged isle]

I usually get cover, bang and go to hug them.

[dull nova]

Enough rounds on target will get anyone. Just gotta keep em there until your squadmate can flank

[limpid whale]

I don’t understand how meth heads can see me in the dark and have John wick aim from 30m away through a window and shit

[fringe plover]

does search and secure command works in a way swat ai looks around the whole map? restraining remaining civs, evidence etc?

[limpid whale]

Like I understand hard mode is meant to be hard but it feels a bit artificial to just make them superhuman rather than have more suspects / smarter ai / more aggression

[wind gyro]

its somewhat bugged, it only works when theres only soft objectives left

but yes

[rugged isle]

For me it works 50/50..all threats gone only the rescue civs missing and either they go and restrain or stay near me in idle despite there are still civs left behind. Especially when told to escape to exit. They were stuck outside and the ai didn’t seem to detect there were civs still at the spawn. Had to backtrack and restrain all manually.

[wind gyro]

if you ever tell civs to leave you have to check on them

i mean go to them for it to count that they are secured

[jolly verge]

There is no pelvic area

[jolly verge]

Yes, just keep in mind they wont find last suspects or civilians if they are standing

[rugged isle]

Ye i figured out they don’t get auto handcuffed once they reached the exit…quite a pain..and well depend from their pathfinding.,..or deathfinding usually.

[trim dirge]

What mod are you using that brings back the old kick animation?

[tacit gull]

It could just be an older video

[wind gyro]

eastern european servers are not real, first game i join i have 800 ping

i love that people still pick the wrong region

[chilly thorn]

its easy to tell this isn't in DLC3 build since the blood particles are actually working T~T

[surreal pelican]

JHP gang 🔥

Lately I've been running unsuppressed for my rifle, sounds and feels good. Should I let my AI go unsuppressed too?

[wind gyro]

suppressors arent cool, gun is too quiet

[surreal pelican]

I only ran suppressors for easier ID on enemy fire, but now that I've heard unsuppressed, I'm thinking of letting my AI go free unsuppressed too

[wind gyro]

everyone chooses supperssors for that reason

[surreal pelican]

Hm

I'll just keep my AI suppressed and mine unsuppressed for now

[jolly verge]

This is before LSS

[latent crescent]

yes

[fringe plover]

any discount codes on merch store?

[rugged isle]

I tried and i will def take off the suppressors from the ai as well.

[edgy trench]

I do also set my teams onto queue for breaching but, the only thing is that I can’t control them from far away.

So, two teams must be queued for close rooms to each other.

Or is there something else more that I can do for it?

[rugged isle]

I’m pretty sure there isn’t a range cap..like i can queue red to breach, take Blue to follow me, do something else and command red to execute. It’s mainly you need to be where your team need to be to actual queue the command but you should be able to trigger it whenever you are and regardless of the other team state.

Unless you mean the clear option that will fail if the door is locked. They will stand there doing nothing in that case.

[edgy trench]

I get it, thanks.

[gusty marten]

What am i supposed to do about my team roster who are all either anxious stressed or critical or in therapy💔💔

[marsh lark]

Take suspects alive, complete objectives, ensure civilian survival

constantly mowing down suspects decreases their morale

[gusty marten]

Ive been trying to get A+ on 23 megabytes per second but i cant because everyone just fires as soon as they see us😭😭

Even Michael

[gusty marten]

FINALLY i got A+

[wind gyro]

the best way to get stress down is S ranking thank you come again

[copper dome]

https://tenor.com/view/cheese-food-gif-5113834195819307982

[copper dome]

🧀

[wind gyro]

i just noticed theres no bad reviews except for the graphical downgrade and censorship, does that mean the game is goated

[whole plume]

Its dead without mods (Console) but yeah GOATED otherwise

Tbf without mods its GOATED, but gets stale quickly

[stoic thistle]

Honestly, a game mode where you randomize the mission type, the bad guys, and the location would solve that.

[wind gyro]

it aint dead without mods

[whole plume]

Or console mod support

ARMA does it

[wind gyro]

well let me tell you, mods aint coming to console

[whole plume]

To an extent it can be

[wind gyro]

arma is a different story

[whole plume]

Dw I am moving to PC soon

[wind gyro]

ue5 is making things worse for mods

[mighty hemlock]

Well move fast then. Before them RAM prices literally kill you

[whole plume]

That is what I am waiting for, them to go down

And also my bank to go up to a point where they meet nicely

[mighty hemlock]

Bro. I don't want to be that guy but it's only getting worse from here. It AIN'T going down. Micron (One of 3 major producers of RAM) just said that they're gonna start manufacturing ONLY for AI datacenters

I wish this wasn't the truth but it is ☹️

[whole plume]

Yeah, sadly I think you are right

I fucking hate AI man, I hope it bursts

The AI bubble needs to burst

[mighty hemlock]

Yeah. Currently they aren't making any money and all the cash is from investors

[whole plume]

Good, long may it stay that way!

[mighty hemlock]

Literally. I lowkey fear AI, the videos are too real, the bots are too inteligent

[mighty hemlock]

"Let it die, let it die, let it shrivle up and die!"- O'Hair

[coarse sail]

its just crazy to me that were so lazy as a society to even need it 😭 we gon be looking like the humans in WALL E

[whole plume]

Fr man

[whole plume]

Perfect meme to summarise it

The only AI I like are the AI Team-Mates/Enemies in ARMA/RoN ect

[coarse sail]

iit has implications and a place but it does NOT need to be everywhere 😭

[mighty hemlock]

Yeah we don't need gooner AI chatbots 🥀💔

Waste of water

[coarse sail]

that's probably where the waters going 😆

[whole plume]

Yep, that and AI to complete school work for lazy kids

I heard a kid say "why do we need to learn, when we will have AI to do it for us"

[mighty hemlock]

Ngl I'm guilty of this. But I kinda regret it cause my writing skills went down.

[whole plume]

In moderation, as help in editing and spell check its fine, but not overdoing it

Not like getting it to do everything

[mighty hemlock]

Nah man I'm guilty of making it write the whole thing. In moderation it's ok but I did NOT do it in moderation and I shouldn't have

[whole plume]

Atleast you admit your mistake there

[marsh lark]

There is nothing wrong with using it to give you a template which you edit, quite honestly that is what teachers advise to us.

[whole plume]

If/When I use it (which is when I can't turn it off) I just go to its sources and look there

[hazy token]

do not use AI to think for you. seriously heed my warning. your brain is like a muscle and if you don't use it, it will atrophy

anywho AI is so good for doing research tho. its great to point you in the right direction

[whole plume]

Most certainly

I agrre

[marsh lark]

I am not saying let AI do the work for you. If you have some work to do, whether it is a general academic study text or a presentation, you can let AI give you pointers. I mean it in the sense of it giving you a general summary of what you should talk aobut or put there, and you do your own research to type out the individual text you find.

[whole plume]

Let it give you pointers, yes- work for you- No

[marsh lark]

Again, this is what teachers advise us to do if we are not sure where to start. It is better to let something give you pointers rather than look like an idiot infront of everyone due to how structurally bad it is.

[whole plume]

Absolutely

[marsh lark]

I never made AI do the work for me. But I have a bad imagination, so I have no idea where to truly start from. So when I have a subject/theme to make a presentation about, I ask AI to give me general points of what I should begin with, continue with and end with, as well as general topics that should be covered. From that point I head to the web and do some research.

[hazy token]

i see the merit in your point but it is a very slippery slope. "giving pointers" quickly turns into "giving direction", so forth and so forth. i'm boutta sound like a boomer for this. but when i was in high school there was no fallback option, you had to actually do it yourself.

even having that option there can be so detrimental to your own development and independence in my opinion. i'm very frustrated because so many of my peers lack the ability to form an argument and follow it through without some form of assistance. they have crippled themselves

[coarse sail]

"this wallpaper is hurting my brain" will forever he engrained in mine 🫩✌️

[subtle palm]

We should be able to pick if the mission is gonna be at night or day

[hazy token]

it begins as "the AI gives me an outline", but AI is such an incredible and powerful tool. why limit it to that? and believe me, it won't stay limited to that if you entertain it. okay i'll get off my soapbox

[marsh lark]

I understand what you mean, and I know how times were back then. However as I said; I make my own research, my only true problem is that I am unsure where to start from and it could take me hours on end to think about how to structure something like that to not sound like an idiot.

[hazy token]

i would love that. unfortunately the lighting is baked into the level

[hazy token]

but part of the intellectual process is to learn how to structure. you are effectively robbing yourself of growth in that field, using AI as a crutch. by saying "AI is handling only [this field]", you are crippling that field

so perhaps you are poor at structuring an argument in a coherent and flowing manner, but if you use AI that will never change. you improve these things by practicing and failing and trying again

you struggle to climb a hill, so you let AI carry you up it, but now you have not developed your legs. so when you face an even taller mountain, now you're definitely not ready.

[whole plume]

Absolutely, one of my biggest gripes with my generation too

[marsh lark]

I think you might be getting the wrong idea. I am not entirely sure how to explain it, but this goes back to me specifically. I have learning hindrances which do overlap into other things in my life as a whole. I can make sensible and coherent arguments, present situations, however when I pick a sort of broad topic there is so much I can talk about, but nothing comes to mind to connect all of it. So I eventually happen to be talking about one thing for a set period of time, then skipping one topic only to return to it later on which pisses me off personally, not something a random listener would notice.

I think I explained it rather wrong.

When I make something, it makes sense to me at the time. When I actually talk about it I understand that I should move things around, but then it is too late.

[hazy token]

honestly it looks like i'm unfairly directing these generalizations toward you, because i don't know you personally or what struggles you have. like AI is incredibly useful for people with sensory or cognitive differences, or for students who don't speak their university's language that well, things like that.
but for areas where you don't need to use AI, you shouldn't. i firmly believe that natural imperfection is better than artificial perfection, especially when that imperfection is going to grow you.

[marsh lark]

For instance though, you can choose a topic like space. There are so many things you can talk about in space, and imagine that you are talking about planets, their characteristics, how far away they are... and suddenly you start talking about black holes, or other galaxies, and in the next slide you have something that would make sense to be before the black holes as it leads up to them. That is my general structuring problem.

[hazy token]

what i recommend is learning how to make an outline

[subtle palm]

I love using night vision

[tough veldt]

Lol wasn't there something about the moon bugging out if you messed with the lighting

[hazy token]

depending on what kind of assignment you having, you can make your thesis statement first and then begin outlining your essay. off the top of my head, if i were writing an essay on our discussion here, my thesis would be "AI is detrimental to intellectual development because it can alter the original intention of the writer, provides effective results without effort, and forsakes individuality and humanism.
then from there you would write some paragraphs based on those topics

[hazy token]

honestly i have no idea lol i never even noticed the moon in RoN

[marsh lark]

I do not write essays, I dislike them because it is a lot of writing and because I have ADHD I lose interest so fast that I give up probably 15 minutes in and then do it out of spite than anything else

[hazy token]

honestly understandable. my main point is just be careful and intentional with AI. its not inherently bad, but dependence on it can be crippling

like i can't even hold a decent debate with half my peers cuz they don't know how to form an argument and back it up in real time without running to chatGPT

[marsh lark]

Presenting gives me more room for improvisation, you can throw in your personal opinion or something you like to talk about alongside some objective and factual statements. You can also disregard grammar for the most part, and I am a good talker when I find something interesting in said topics.

[tough veldt]

Its also very inconsistent with math

[marsh lark]

And essays are more or less like academic studies supposed to be unbiased, factual and objective with loads of scientific information; something I utterly hate.

[hazy token]

my point isn't in its weaknesses, because in about 5 years i think AI will be effectively "perfect". i'm worried about how much of our humanity we sacrifice to it so that it can ease the burden of thinking

[hazy token]

lmao right? like in academia i can't even have my own true opinion because (cool science guy, et al.) don't back it up in 5 separate peer reviewed journals

[marsh lark]

Which is why when a teacher gives me an option between writing an essay or presenting, I always take the latter.

And it becomes somewhat complicated when you review multiple studies contradicting themselves in so many topics.

[hazy token]

yeah presentations are nice. but i am not a fan of group work at all because in my experience they've always been in groups

[marsh lark]

Surprisingly for us, they expect us to be doing them solo which I prefer.

Because most of the time it is me working, 4 other classmates scrolling through instagram the whole time.

[hazy token]

i have to give one tomorrow but both of my group mates obviously used AI to make their slides, and half of their citations are to articles that don't fit the criteria of the project. i'm just so fed up with it now

[marsh lark]

Holy moly

Yeah that sucks

[hazy token]

yeah i told the professor before i submitted it exactly which slides im responsible for. cuz im not tryna go down with this ship

[wind gyro]

um akchually this is ron discussion and this isnt ron related

[tough veldt]

I was about to say
Tell your prof

[hazy token]

ron is gon

[wind gyro]

now explain why the word gon with two os is banned, this is ron related

[hazy token]

clearly because its not roon, its ron

[wind gyro]

i wannt say gon morning with two os

[hazy token]

ron morning

[old star]

floating bullet casings or sum

[tacit gull]

floating bullet casings more like

console

[wind gyro]

imagine having a console

[spare garden]

Hey, I haven't had the chance to touch this game lately since other shooter games were released recently. Right when I stopped playing was about right when the console launch happened and I think I played a couple rounds, noticing that the graphics just looked watered down and things were missing. I noticed some patches said they improved things with that and resolved "bugs" with textures. What's the current state of the game like now? Still the same graphics prelaunch or not quite the same? AI was always terrible, is it still bad, gotten better, or worse?

[tacit gull]

Are you asking if the graphics are different to pre console launch? If so then yeah there's been a few downgrades for performance reasons on top of the bugs that have been patched out (i think)
As for the AI i think it's about the same minus the three difficulties: baby mode, undertuned and overtuned

[odd pond]

What’s the community content exhibit

[lunar steppe]

I’m curious if anyone knows what future DLC’s and updates look like apart from that recent post where they said that they have two attachments to the barrel

[prisma tusk]

The absurdly low res lightmaps were fixed, but shadow edges are still an issue. Also the majority I believe of the LOD bugs were fixed.

[covert aurora]

Hopefully more announcements will come, i suspect something at the TGA's

[solar cloud]

Can anyone tell me a good gun to use I’ve been rocking the G3A3 but I feel like switching it up

[gritty star]

SR-16 is my main rifle

[covert aurora]

@cedar mulch gane direction changed as unfortunate as it is. It does happen

[cedar mulch]

Why did they not opt to add the M16A3?

[covert aurora]

That i dont know.

Kinda curios of that too

[cedar mulch]

Yes, they ought to bring back a lot of the old things.

[covert aurora]

I agree

[cedar mulch]

This is not a matter of gaming philosophy at all. Rather, VOID has changed its approach.

[covert aurora]

True, it does happen within any company

Or studio

[cedar mulch]

I hope hostage negotiations can be reinstated, as it could prove useful on certain maps. For instance, Narcos and Leviathan.

The ladder can provide an extra route for attack.

[covert aurora]

For sure

Sniper teams would great, i dont think powerwould work too well as the lighting is precalculated

But its possible that they could make it work

[lost inlet]

ARN-180.

[coarse sail]

any tips for S Rank Ides of March?

i keep getting shot on sight and to my knowledge s rank requires 0 casulties sooo what do i do 😆

[cedar mulch]

How are sales of the BRN180 in reality? Is it popular?

[lost inlet]

Nah, not at all tbh.

Not sure, i haven’t looked into it at all so i’m just guessing.

[quasi coral]

Try putting that launcher to good use and mess them up

[onyx swift]

Make sure to watch the hallways, and use Wedges to prevent some Suspects from going to rush you

[covert aurora]

Wedges are your friend

[onyx swift]

Try to Wedge every door to the middle-most area except one

That way, no Suspect can run off or be unpredictable

[coarse sail]

which one?

[onyx swift]

the Flashbang Grenade Launcher, as a Primary

It's arguably the best weapon in the game in general rn

[quasi coral]

^^ What he said

[onyx swift]

Makes S Ranks way more bearable, and stunning everything on sight is invaluable

[coarse sail]

thank you and thank you @covert aurora and @quasi coral

[onyx swift]

Even for Lethal

no joke

Instant Flashbang for a room can save lives

[coarse sail]

bro it took me like 2 days to get s ranked on ends of the Earth because I was only using the less lethal rifle 😆

[coarse sail]

im sure of it

[onyx swift]

oof

[quasi coral]

No problem

[onyx swift]

Try the Beanbag Shotgun for that, or Launchers

Pepperball takes a bit to kick in properly, it's often too slow

[coarse sail]

I tried gas because somebody said that it was really good for filling rooms but apparently it aint no mo 😢

[coarse sail]

yeah you also have to use a gas mask so you can actually detain

[cedar mulch]

VOID ought to release some DDM4ISR variants; the DDM4PDW has far too much recoil.

[onyx swift]

It got nerfed way too hard tbh

[coarse sail]

CS gas is supposed to work the way it was

[cedar mulch]

The DDM4PDW is the most difficult .300 to use.

[coarse sail]

I don't think it has a lot of recoil at all

[onyx swift]

This intentional nerf just makes it way less useful than Flashbangs

The same patch they nerf CS Gas, they make the new Primary Flashbang Launcher

like wow

[civic fiber]

the PFL ammo sucks

[coarse sail]

she has gas and pepper balls will jack somebody up irl

[onyx swift]

CS Gas also has such a small radius that Suspects may just walk out of it in time

Or you won't be able to catch a room with it

[civic fiber]

sounds like someone i know

[onyx swift]

Meanwhile, Flashbangs:

(again)

[cedar mulch]

No, its recoil is significantly higher than other .300 rifles in the data. Documentation demonstrates this.

[civic fiber]

every gun has a different recoil stat

[coarse sail]

I'm not denying that I'm just saying I don't think it has like a lot of recoil even if it is compared to the others I don't think it has too much recoil plus the barrel is super short less barrel means more recoil

[covert aurora]

Always happy to help

[cedar mulch]

The recoil of SIG MCX and BRN180 appears less pronounced.

[fallow cypress]

its weird how the AI struggle to hit headshot at CQB but they will one tap you at long range

[coarse sail]

what secondary?

[onyx swift]

Pepperball Pistol

You won't need it anyway

[civic fiber]

that thing sucks but yeah

[onyx swift]

Equip your SWAT AI with it also

failsafe measure

[coarse sail]

yeah I was thinking either equip them or hold them in the spawn

and I was thinking of giving them Shields

[onyx swift]

Give your SWAT AI the same Launchers, but with only one Grenade ammo

They'll infinitely reload the one ammo upon use

[cedar mulch]

Moreover, the game currently lacks weapons in the 5.45, 6.8 and 6.5 calibres.

[onyx swift]

That leaves you so many slots to have Wedges and more

[onyx swift]

Good idea

Have maybe 2 Shields with Pepperball Pistols

The other two can have things like a Stinger Launcher

[coarse sail]

The stingers the rubber grenade right?

[onyx swift]

yes

[coarse sail]

gotcha

so I'll give them the stingers and Shields and I'll keep the mirror gun for myself so I can check for traps

[onyx swift]

Excellent idea

[coarse sail]

I'll let you know how it goes thank you!!! 😁

[onyx swift]

I would use a lot of those extra Slots for Wedges and C2 mainly

Then leave yourself one Slot for a Lockpick Gun also

[coarse sail]

what race you Gale of launcher ammo and ammo for my pistol do you think I should do

[onyx swift]

You can S Rank even Hard missions on that kind of setup solo (with AI), usually somewhat easily

Even at times, you won't need the SWAT AI and it's like doing it pure solo

[onyx swift]

Get a Lockpick Gun at the least, maybe 1 C2 for yourself also, then make the rest of the Slots just Launcher Ammo

[coarse sail]

gotcha

[onyx swift]

No Pepperball ammo necessary, it'd be worse than another Flashbang

I saw your post, looking good

That's about what I use, to solo some S Ranks nowadays

Beanbag is also there as an option, I'd have like 5 ammo for it and then fill the other slots differently

[coarse sail]

think that's what I'm going to equip to my non-shield guys

[onyx swift]

Nah, give then a Flashbang Launcher too

[coarse sail]

so we're just going to flash bang every single room

[onyx swift]

yup

[coarse sail]

understood 😂 👌

[onyx swift]

It's easier with friends actually

[coarse sail]

yeah well I ain't got none that play ready or not

[onyx swift]

SWAT AI waits before Flashbanging

Real teammates don't have to

They could Flash the room ASAP before any shots ring out, every time as soon as a threat is located

[onyx swift]

I could help you sometime, at least

S Ranking on Hard becomes a lot more efficient with that strategy

[coarse sail]

sounds good I only got like 22 minutes left for the night though

[onyx swift]

I've done some Hard S Ranks with Beanbag too, but it was way more riskier

LSS made Beanbag feel less consistent sometimes, idk why

[coarse sail]

yeah I did too I didn't end well for me

should I start and residential stairwell or fire exit

[onyx swift]

Though a recent lighter patch may have solved it, sometimes it felt like I was getting no-reg on some shots

[onyx swift]

Either one should work

[coarse sail]

cool

[onyx swift]

Just remember to lock down the main hallways and the center room for Ides of March first

[coarse sail]

will do

[onyx swift]

Don't engage the outskirt rooms until the middle is clear

Keep most of those doors Wedged so there's no surprises, you can remove them later too

[coarse sail]

ok! thank you so much ill update you later!

[onyx swift]

I'll look forward to it, now go Bring Order to Chaos

[coarse sail]

already wedging doors see you later

[fallow cypress]

Always wear the ballistic face shield man the AI headshot accuracy is broken

[coarse sail]

i did itttt 😝😝😝😝😝

[onyx swift]

I'm proud of you, nicely done

[coarse sail]

thank you!!!!

[onyx swift]

And always engage with the least exposure when possible

Such as using Throwables (unless the Flashbang Launcher) on angles where they bounce to enemies, but leave you unexposed on the flightpath

[coarse sail]

greased palms mail room is going to be the death of me, i have only attempted 2 times i already know its gonna be hard 😂

[onyx swift]

I still need to do it on Hard with an S, lol

SWAT AI is NOT READY for that

[coarse sail]

i just have to do it to progress PERIOD 😆

[onyx swift]

My main issue was having them not arrest the Suspects I told them to

So they'd get back up and we get shot

Or, the SWAT AI would stand in the open and not shoot back

[coarse sail]

i keep having them get stuck and not listen to my commands, or ignore getting shot and continue with their day

[onyx swift]

yup

SWAT AI after LSS has been bonkers

in the worst ways

[coarse sail]

what is LSS I assume it's a los suenos stories right?

[onyx swift]

precisely

[coarse sail]

alrigt then

[onyx swift]

I mean it in reference to that update

[coarse sail]

I literally just got this game Friday I would have had it earlier but I saved up a little bit more for the deluxe edition

[onyx swift]

SWAT AI got worse afterwards

[coarse sail]

so I've heard

[onyx swift]

For example, be super careful on Rust Belt

SWAT AI sometimes will straight up be unable to pathfind

Or they'll take a scenic route to the opposide side of where you said to breach

[onyx swift]

oh nice

[coarse sail]

no way

[coarse sail]

yeah that s I just got was my third

[onyx swift]

I wish I could make this up

I was going for S on Hard for it + separately doing Ironman for it too

[coarse sail]

I've done gas station and ends of the Earth and now Ides of karch

[onyx swift]

The AI would sometimes give a "no way" response to being told to stack up

[coarse sail]

I'm not touching iron Man 😆

[coarse sail]

😭

[onyx swift]

I don't blame you one bit

[coarse sail]

I think I'll wait until I've at least finished the ready or not main storyline

[onyx swift]

good choice

Ironman is like "permadeath" and most realisitic

There are no second chances normally

[coarse sail]

that's what I've heard that's why I'm not touching it lol

my biggest issue is keeping officers from crashing out and resigning

it's become less than issue the more I progress because of unlock more slots but usually my therapy is full

[onyx swift]

You can help by going Non-Lethal more often

Stress can build up fast from too many deaths

[coarse sail]

someone recommended I'd go on gas station and just arrest everybody and use less lethal and itll restore everybody to content and it worked

[onyx swift]

Try noticing when a Suspect may actually surrender, take advantage of it

[onyx swift]

oh yeah that works indeed

[coarse sail]

I need to learn the animations like is there a way to know whether or not they're going to surrender or fake surrender and shoot you?

[onyx swift]

Yes, check for if the Suspect has their gun not pointed at you, and for if they do something like stand up straight but release one hand off their gun

That's the first thing to look for

Never fire (unless you're Breaching a room/using Throwables) upon a Suspect immediately, unless they aim at you or you're using Non-Lethal/LTL

There's also a team aspect to it

Suspects are more likely to surrender immediately if you come at them as a group

Strength in numbers

[coarse sail]

make sense I mean I wouldn't fire if there was five guys with shotguns pointed at me 😆

[onyx swift]

They also have hidden mechanics such as Stress of their own

Things like loud gunfire, Breaching, and more can increase Suspect Stress and make them more aware of you

They may even take Hostages

[coarse sail]

I don't think I've dealt with many hostages yet like I have definitely but not too many

[onyx swift]

You see it more in Hard/with certain Maps

[dawn solstice]

Had a hostage on the second mission and they just instantly killed the hostage i was so upset

[onyx swift]

Sorry to hear

[covert aurora]

Ooof thats rough

[coarse sail]

that horrible

[onyx swift]

If it helps too, Dxlton, when you see a Hostage situation, STOP and analyze

[coarse sail]

will do

[dawn solstice]

I was trying to find then i just heard oh hostage dead welp dammit (then again i was prolly shooting to much. Was using a lvar and well barley any suspects where incapped)

[onyx swift]

Do not get too close or start shooting immediately

[covert aurora]

Hard mode seems to increase the amount of hostage taking

[onyx swift]

That's a surefire way to have the Hostage executed

[onyx swift]

My experiences agree

Seriously, if a map has Hostages on Hard, 9/10 times if anything loud happens- TOC will be on the line shortly lol

Always try to carry Throwables for if a Hostage situation may occur, btw

[covert aurora]

Toc every 2secs "the suspects have taken a hostage"

[dawn solstice]

Another tip is use things like flashes or CS gas on hostage takers or if your somehow a god tier shot shoot them in the shoulder or something (Ive hit that shot a single time and it has been my most liked moment of the game so far ive been playing like 4 days and already kinda addicted to it)

[coarse sail]

understood if I see a hostage I'll throw a stinger immediately

[onyx swift]

Be careful with Stingers near Civilians though

Try using Flashbangs for Hostage situations mostly

[coarse sail]

will it take off for hitting them with it?

[coarse sail]

😆

[onyx swift]

Someone else can possibly confirm or deny it, but I think Stingers have a chance of incapacitating Civs if they're hit directly or so

[coarse sail]

you happen to have a clip?

[onyx swift]

Regardless, just be careful

[coarse sail]

I killed myself yesterday with them it took three I was also standing over top of them

[dawn solstice]

I dont sadly. I wish i did clip that tho

[onyx swift]

Glad to hear that you're enjoying it

[dawn solstice]

From across a warehouse floor just dropped the guy with the pistol smg thing

[coarse sail]

my favorite clip so far is me absolutely demolishing like a room clear in like 5 seconds I don't think it's uploaded though

[onyx swift]

But yes, you can also shoot the Suspect and save the Hostage that way

But it's often where you'd need a Headshot to do so

without hitting the Civilian

It can be hard in some cases

And if you're going for S and/or less deaths...

[coarse sail]

I feel like pepperball guns are inconsistent, I know that's random but I was just thinking you could possibly use pepper balls for hostages but I feel like they're super inconsistent because I was told it takes around four shots to stun when it takes me either forever to stun or it's almost immediate or it just doesn't happen

[onyx swift]

They take a little bit of time to kick in, yeah

Spray a Suspect down with maybe 4-5 shots and then get back in cover while waiting

[coarse sail]

dude I have emptied MAGS into someone and they just didn't care

[onyx swift]

[surreal pelican]

What about going for their legs? They don't have any set period of time where they'll execute the hostage when you're standing in front of em right?

[coarse sail]

😆

[onyx swift]

They could be bugged still

[coarse sail]

it's either that or I suck lol

[onyx swift]

You can do that too, yes but their head is often the most consistent shot placement (and puts them down regardless)

If the Suspect shrugged off the bullet, they might kill the Hostage

[surreal pelican]

True..

[coarse sail]

another thing that I learned during that s rank that I just did with your GL setup is it's really fun to point blank someone directly with it I don't know why but it's really funny and satisfying

[onyx swift]

It really is fun, lol

[surreal pelican]

I wonder if attempting to relocate to get a better sight on the hostage taker will make him execute the hostage after he spots you

[onyx swift]

nope

[surreal pelican]

For more fun and effectiveness on commander mode, run 2x Pacifiers, 1x Negotiator and Armourer

[onyx swift]

At least most times I've had to handle one

[surreal pelican]

Nice, thanks

[onyx swift]

I often back up to ready a Flashbang for those very cases

I can't remember having a Hostage shot for it

[coarse sail]

I would love a map where it's 100% dark and you just rush in and clear with nods on

[surreal pelican]

Twisted Nerve is one of em I guess

[onyx swift]

Only for like, if I shot near the Suspect and made them stressed out, or got too close

[surreal pelican]

o I see, so shooting them and going too close makes them execute the poor hostage

Does unsuppressed gunfire from my element and myself lower their morale too? Like make them give up more easily or surrender or does it just straight up make them more stressed and aggro

[dawn solstice]

Also how do you lot deal with like pistol ammo

[coarse sail]

alright ladies and gents, im going to bed, i may return periodically depending on if i really sleep or not

[onyx swift]

Gunfire generally increases Stress

[dawn solstice]

Like is there a certain number that like a good ammount to bring in i only ever really take one mag and im like hmm

[onyx swift]

I think Suspect gunfire can also affect (or at least alert) other Suspects too

[coarse sail]

I only bring two or three mags just in case because you're only really using your pistol if it's a dire situation and you're out of ammo in your main gun

[onyx swift]

Oh yeah, another thing of note

Things like Flashbangs will also increase Stress for Suspects

I recommend going in as quiet as possible for missions at first

You can't fully Stealth, of course but do whatever you can to go in without being tracked

[surreal pelican]

That's what I always do, just do stealth until first contact is made with suspect

[onyx swift]

If Suspects start to hear you making too much noise, they might run off and take Hostages, or worse

[coarse sail]

oh PJ I have one last question before I head off when do you recommend switching from a light armor to heavy

[quasi coral]

If pepperballs were consistent in real life than the entire police force might as well be using it

[onyx swift]

I personally use Light Armor in Non-Lethal, and Heavy Armor for Lethal in my setups

See what works for you though

[surreal pelican]

Yup, starting to wonder when should I use the breach shotgun if I constantly just lockpick doors that have civs/nobody inside or just C2 and bang if there's suspects there

[coarse sail]

okay I was just wondering because I usually use light armor all the time and then heavy when I'm struggling to survive and I know that's like it really not a good way to do that 😆

[onyx swift]

It can still work, don't be discouraged at first

Light Armor is nice for the extra slots and better speed

Heavy Armor is good for your SWAT AI to have, typically (or just the same as you)

[coarse sail]

alrighty then

goodnight fr this time y'all

[onyx swift]

Sleep well.

[covert aurora]

Rest well

[onyx swift]

Another thing on Stress and alerting Suspects too, you may notice that they'll start to do things like aiming from right behind a door if you're too predictable

Some may do it by default as you load in, while if alerted, Suspects may run for better angles and wait for you

[covert aurora]

Nah thats just suspect esp

[onyx swift]

Hard really does feel like that at times

[surreal pelican]

When should I use breach shotgun over C2?

[onyx swift]

If you want to create a specific gap in the door, or just like using it for fun

[covert aurora]

Hard reminds me of early access AI

[surreal pelican]

Ah okay, useful for throwing nades

My AI has the C2 and the shotgun while I only have the shotgun

[onyx swift]

C2 is one of my favorites

Honestly underrated imo

You know how I mentioned that Suspects may aim at you from behind a door?
Problem solved.

They don't actually die either, by the way

[covert aurora]

Fake death

[onyx swift]

The game will say they're deceased as you arrest them, but they're actually fine

After arresting them, they will get back up on their knees every time

Your S Rank will be safe

[covert aurora]

I think civs actually die tho.

Not 100% sure

[cedar mulch]

SWAT AI is utterly useless. They react sluggishly, their marksmanship is poor, and they sometimes obstruct players or other teammates.

Flash grenades always go astray.

Sometimes they get stuck or wander off to other places for no apparent reason.

[quasi coral]

They don't, no worries

[covert aurora]

Ok thats good to know

[coarse sail]

if you ever use a veteran it makes their accuracy better

[cedar mulch]

That's a different matter altogether. SWAT AI's accuracy in difficult mode isn't even as good as Gas's suspects.

[surreal pelican]

Yup, C2 is my favourite for this exact reason.

Tho it backfired, somehow didn't affected the left behind secret service left behind member who was camping at the right side of door who then killed King

[dawn solstice]

me breaching with the breachin shotgun and then just chuckin cs gas

[surreal pelican]

Might start utilising breaching shotgun more over C2

[dawn solstice]

i thinks dah shotgun is better when your like at a range and wanna open a door

[surreal pelican]

Ya

[dawn solstice]

idk i use it because somethin about blastin open a door is fun. And i dont quite play ultra tactical

[surreal pelican]

More safer for AI too, they don't expose their entire body when breaching it compared to the ram

[stone bay]

hey guys, im looking in my career stats in RoN, and they're like...wildly inaccurate. it says i only have about 8 hours total, my stats are super low or just straight up false, etc. anyone know why?

[onyx swift]

Have you played before LSS before?

[stone bay]

not sure what LSS is

[onyx swift]

The Los Suenos Stories update

most recent big update

[stone bay]

ah

[onyx swift]

Added that very feature

[stone bay]

ohhh

i see, so basically my like 50 fuckin hours werent counted 😭

[onyx swift]

I know my own stats were inaccurate when it released, yeah

[stone bay]

interesting. thanks

[onyx swift]

They fixed some of its tracking, but idk on the rest

Happy to help

[covert aurora]

same with mine

[deep sentinel]

My stats are hella inaccurate lol

[modern leaf]

Ron

[deep sentinel]

Says my average rank is C and I've probably done about 1k S tiers since I started playing

unless it counts dying mid mission as a C

[outer quail]

Have one question I complete game on ironman mode without losing officers and I get achievements but didn't get watch, is that bug or I should complete game one more time?

[jolly verge]

Again and without resigned officers

[outer quail]

Fuck but thx

[jolly verge]

You can do it on casual this time, cosmetics unlocks on any difficulty

[outer quail]

Oh yess, big thx

[radiant canyon]

Anyone got tips for clearing the Hospital ? I’ve been on it for 2 weeks. I get wounded too badly before arriving to the 2nd floor.

Note that I play solo and don’t aim for the S rank atm, I just wanna get through this bloody level

[worthy ivy]

Shoot everything that moves

[gusty marten]

Twisted nerve is such a good mission

[radiant canyon]

Wilco 🫡

[floral peak]

All I want for Christmas is new DLC or big update

[sonic harbor]

Mods exist brochacho

[whole plume]

Any tips for beating mindjot on Hard?

Its being a pain in the ass and I can't beat it

[Doesnt need to S, just beat all objs]

[sonic harbor]

Need 2nd guy?

[whole plume]

Nah I am good, it needs to be with the AI for the achievement I think

[whole plume]

Im so mad, I lost my S rank of VOTD to a "unauthorised use of force" and now I can't beat it again 🙁

[prime mountain]

Slow and steady, stock up on flash bangs, 2 AI with shields and mirror gun every door you find

Firearms I used short carbine style weapons with all my officers carrying 10mm MP5s with JHP

Also found bringing C2 stupidly helpful for those small rooms upstairs / the board room & CEO office as otherwise AI easily kills your officers when they open/breach doors to clear rooms

[opaque zealot]

does anyone off the top of their head know the mod for the freecam in the customization screen

[whole plume]

Thanks!

[prime mountain]

NP, going through the grind of completing all missions on hard at the moment 🤣

Get ready for pure unbridled cancer on: greased palms, neon tomb, relapse & hide and seek 🤣

[sonic harbor]

You can do hard on quickplay

It dosent matter how

Its matter that you PLAYED it intended way

You can download inf health mod and its gonna still work i guess

@livid yew can confirm it

[whole plume]

I have been

[sonic harbor]

It has to be at least c to count

Or c+

[whole plume]

Yeah all have been B+

What I am trying to do atm is S rank all the missions on Std I haven't already, then beat them on Hard

For the varying achievements

[deep slate]

impossible to find an EU server nowadays, and thats just sad

[surreal pelican]

How do I get the tinted yellow flash goggles? Under customisation?

[surreal pelican]

Relapse was my bane, not even the M32A1 flash could save me

[livid yew]

Wait confirm what

[livid yew]

Oh yeah obviously

[latent crescent]

relapse was easy for me, greased palms however…

[surreal pelican]

Just a little bit of cakewalk and 2 loading screens away..

I somehow find GP enjoyable now, maybe because used to it now? or the environment?

[latent crescent]

greased palms is fucking horrible with their AI, modded ai makes it far more reasonable but its still painful

cause the AI i use (Jug’s AI) still lets them beam u through tiny gaps, they just have lower overall accuracy and just a tiny bit slower at reacting but u get one shot much quicker

so it probably makes it worse 💀

[maiden sequoia]

Not just shoot but they can spot you from across the continent

[stone rivet]

whats the point of having the zipties equipped?

[maiden sequoia]

Not a clue

[stone rivet]

alr

[tacit gull]

Nothing, it's a legacy feature that i'm pretty sure is used in a hack to keep the game together

[stone rivet]

alr thanks

[stone rivet]

is the RoN ost on spotifys?

[tacit gull]

Yes

[alpine island]

hey any idea why i cant find the new map/episode or whatever in my game#announcements message

[stone rivet]

whats it called? i tried looking for it

[tacit gull]

https://open.spotify.com/album/2fSdW9gnrCYmBfZ3dlwYja?si=YiYoQsD2RPGOws2SrveDag

[prisma tusk]

Erm, it's not a new map

its a new lore vid on yt

[alpine island]

ohh mb

[stone rivet]

🖤

[alpine island]

im not really a ready or not player or smth i play time to time

[tacit gull]

As for the supporter soundtrack its on youtube

[alpine island]

i thought they meant map

thanks

[hybrid hazel]

should i add scenes from more levels or just this one? #🎬ron-clips-and-media message

[latent glade]

somehow got S tier with AI with lethal weapons on thank you come again

[fringe halo]

I never thought about this but does your Squad’s years in force affect their performance?

[tacit gull]

It changes the number on the tablet

[jolly verge]

Yeah, that it

[lusty atlas]

I have no clue how but just s tiered Greased palms first try blindly and then I look up that it was one of the hardest

I must've been lucky with AI

[fringe halo]

funny how greased palms is more of a nerve twisting mission than Twisted Nerve

[gray shell]

Greased palms stats
-2 controllers
+stick drift
7/10 mission would recommend

[dapper granite]

trying to do hide and seek S rank on hard and I'm already going insane

once again big open areas with non-lethals are a nightmare

and the swat AI isnt exactly helping either

[coarse sail]

what s rank should i do next ive done ends of the earth ides of march and the gas station

[dapper granite]

all of them :)

do them on hard too if you're a masochist

[coarse sail]

im not 😂, and i plan on doing all of them but which one should i do next 🤔

[dapper granite]

23 megabytes then

[coarse sail]

bet

[dapper granite]

peak mission

[coarse sail]

im not looking forward to the one on mindjot data center because that mission took me forever cuz its a MAZE to me lol

[dapper granite]

I'm doing hide and seek rn and I hate it

on hard

it's the last one i need for the achievement

[coarse sail]

good luck im doing standard completion + s ranks before i even touch ironman or hard mode lol

[dapper granite]

hard mode is straight up not enjoyable imo idk what they were thinking with it

[coarse sail]

then why play it?

bragging rights? 😂

[dapper granite]

pretty much

[coarse sail]

😭 👍

[dapper granite]

just like with relapse, first thing I'm doing after I beat this is grabbing a battle rifle and shooting everyone up like I dont care

[coarse sail]

after i did ends of the earth s rank i went back in with the suppressed 300. blk ar and massacred the whole house with like 15 mags 😆 i ran out of ammo lol

[dapper granite]

I just cleared like half of the map without any damage to either me or any of my officers and then suddenly one guy guns down my teammate instantly with just 2 bullets

love this game to death

[coarse sail]

i asked chatgpt how to do greased palms (cuz i thought itd be funny to try it chatgpt's way) and it said flash every corner, wedge almost every door and that "greased palms ain't hard, its just... rude" 😭

[dapper granite]

I mean that is kinda the strat, except flashing every corner isnt really possible

but wedges are op

[coarse sail]

how accurate is the quote?

[dapper granite]

not really, greased palms definitely IS hard xD

[coarse sail]

😆

[dapper granite]

I love getting beamed through objects I cant see through but the AI can

[coarse sail]

yeah that pmo my first run

[dapper granite]

also long distances are mostly the problem

non-lethals arent really effective at long range, even if you can stun suspects with them you have to shout at them for them to surrender, for which you have to come relatively close

[coarse sail]

yeah it said to bring a scope but i aint tryna do allat cuz i like using a flashlight, i suck at canted aiming without a laser, also the secondary scope key is hella uncomfortable to hit

[dapper granite]

hitting the target isnt really the issue, it's getting them to actually surrender

also you can just bring the grenade launcher and not care about aiming

[coarse sail]

i love hitting people directly with the flash grenade launcher point blank

it makes them actually comply ☺️

[dapper granite]

not on hard it doesnt 😭

the suspects sometimes just literally dont care that you've shot them with 7 beanbags and will continue shooting you

[dapper granite]

alright thats enough for tonight, I'm just gonna play doom to vent out this frustration

[coarse sail]

Ron is the only game I've ever played that lets you get on your tippy toes

[gusty marten]

dude i just spent 20 minutes looking for the final suspect to bring order to chaos and he comes out a random closet and stabs me to death

[coarse sail]

been there plenty of times but usually I get shot in the face rather than stabbed

[gusty marten]

I survive bullets to the head but not slices to my body armor

[coarse sail]

of course because a stabbed to a ceramic plate is going to kill me a lot faster than a bullet to the face

[gusty marten]

Yeah like don't they know ceramic has catastrophic bleeds

[coarse sail]

love that they made the streamer be like the ultimate gooner

I'm actually tweaking out I'm trying to do the S rank for 23 megabytes a second and I've done every objective for my knowledge I picked up all evidence and nobody died so why am I not getting s rank it's just asking me if I want to soft complete

[onyx swift]

Be VERY CAREFUL on that one

Iirc, Mindjot Security has suppressed SMGs or so

[onyx swift]

Did you get the evidence related to Mindjot in Michael's nightstand?

[coarse sail]

I guess not I didn't know that was a thing

[onyx swift]

That's often the last "soft evidence" needed for people

Same with the Server farms to report

[coarse sail]

thank you again pj!!!!

that's literally all I needed to do

I almost didn't get it that run because I got stuck reloading in Michael pulled a pistol and started shooting so I had to run away

[coarse sail]

your the goat bro 🙏

[onyx swift]

Happy to help, we’ve all been there

[coarse sail]

now I get to have the gooner tattoo 😁

[onyx swift]

LOL

I can help with others too, even on Hard

[coarse sail]

have you gotten all s ranks?

[onyx swift]

On Standard, yes a long time ago even before the new Primary Launchers existed

On Hard, still in the middle of some

[coarse sail]

that's sick

[onyx swift]

I think I last tried Relapse for S on Hard

idk if you’re far enough for that yet

[coarse sail]

no my next mission is greased palms

I'm probably going to bring a shield for it so I dont get shot in the back again

[hybrid hazel]

i need this in the game https://youtu.be/8ciC58EOOOU?t=63

[coarse sail]

what sprinting?

[hybrid hazel]

yeah, more speed and violence of action, look at this https://youtu.be/8lyjJ8gweOU?t=65

[coarse sail]

i want better killhouses, maybe even customizable ones

[gray shell]

Hey did the multi attachments come out?

[coarse sail]

whats that

[gray shell]

I can’t show it but it’s in announcements

[prisma tusk]

Next update hopefully

[weak storm]

How much does the ballistic mask help?

[gray shell]

With small arms like 9mm

[gray shell]

Okay thank you for telling me

[coarse sail]

@onyx swift what loadout do you recommend for greased palms? I'm not going for a s rank right now just trying to progress in my story

[onyx swift]

For a general run, bring LOTS OF FLASHBANGS and Stingers

Clear the outskirts first, before the middle

You’re likely to see at least one Hostage situation occur in the main mailroom

Have good protection such as a Ballistic Mask, and Light or Heavy Armor (your choice)

Greased Palms has the difficulty mainly come from the sightlines + ability for Suspects to shoot accurately through terrain

Keep tons of Throwables handy so you can lock down areas better

[coarse sail]

gotcha thanks

[weak storm]

What causes people to fuse into the ceiling after throwing them

[solemn patio]

i dumped the whole tube of beanbags and then tased him twice, then I switched to my sidearm and killed him

[maiden sequoia]

[onyx swift]

Still don't have S on Hard for it (Greased Palms) yet due to my dang AI always dying so easily

or not arresting the Suspects I tell them to

[maiden sequoia]

Fuck hard

I just gotta finish the game on hard

[onyx swift]

My SWAT AI when the Suspect they left in the open after I told them to restrain, gets back up and shoots me:

[maiden sequoia]

Usually if it's 1 guy I'll do it myself if not I'll call the suspect over by command and line his head up if he does anything funny

[onyx swift]

On runs like Greased Palms, it's more like 3+ Suspects from across a room

such a pain to go arrest

[maiden sequoia]

So far the ps trophy guide says i just need to complete all main objectives to "complete" hard mode and rank doesn't matter

I guess it's supernova time

[onyx swift]

I think you need at least a D for it to still count though, despite it not being mentioned

Just be mindful to not "throw" the mission too hard

[maiden sequoia]

If they start strafing and got there weapon raised I'm pulling the non-compliant card

[dapper granite]

I always take one mag of lethal for my S rank attempts and every time I fail I just pull out my pistol and start shooting the suspects before I restart

[solemn patio]

I might try that with the 1911

I remember running the M45A1 with a shield

great shield gun honestly

its actually powerful

im a console peasant so no MK V without some bullshit like a preorder or special edition

[onyx swift]

Honest question, why take anything Lethal if going for S?

I know it's to go haywire on Suspects, but that extra slot may be useful later on instead
Such as having a Lockpick Gun

[coarse sail]

?

[maiden sequoia]

S ranking that mission is pain

[coarse sail]

oh no no no no no 😆 im not s ranking that YET simply just completing it for my story

[wind gyro]

its not pain, its death

[coarse sail]

i just s ranked 23 MB today

[maiden sequoia]

I kinda made a strat that worked for me 70% of the time

[wind gyro]

i hope you enjoy doing every mission on hard

i wouldnt say its easy or hard

[maiden sequoia]

Well I just gotta complete all main objectives not worrying about the rank

[onyx swift]

With Launchers it becomes a lot more bearable, both for Lethal and S Ranking

Without? Way, way worse and firefights get more unpredictable

[maiden sequoia]

I cannot part with my mirror gun

The amount of times it's saved me from a silent suspect in the far corner of a room

[vale plume]

Fan fucking tastic

[coarse sail]

ikr thanks

[thick dome]

well..if you are using the bean gun, you can smoke them in the face

[onyx swift]

They talked about their pistol though

Not the Beanbag Shotgun

[thick dome]

I run duos alot. we often use the shield specifically for rear armor. get jumped more often with fewer than 3 cause almost can't have rear security most of the time

[maiden sequoia]

Wedges

I always wedge behind me

And obviously I have Ai watching my back

But they usually got the same brain capacity as that wedge

[thick dome]

we are usually loaded up on bangs. wish game would let you carry more slots with 2 or fewer players

[thick dome]

duos is 2 players..no AI

[maiden sequoia]

I know

Depends if your getting S rank or not

I somehow managed A+ on my iron hermit run and popped at least half of the suspects

[abstract leaf]

just use the laucher

works every time

[thick dome]

we've s ranked most of the main missions. hide n seek...ugh..don't even wanna think about it. I don't even like s ranks. unrealistic.

[abstract leaf]

probably deserved

[thick dome]

yeah. launcher is amazing for that use

[maiden sequoia]

Actually do incapacitations have less stress in your officers and affect your rank compare to murking them

[maiden sequoia]

I did get 3 Ds but we don't talk about that

[thick dome]

I wish the guns were cosmetic within each class. recoil could be based on length..short, mid long. no reason the g36 should have so little recoil vs other 556. or the lvar recoiling more than the arn180. or ga51 vs sa58

[maiden sequoia]

Tbh i think they adjusted recoil based on how hard they hit

I used the GA51 and struggled at range with the kick

But it usually incapacitated most enemies in 1 well placed shot at the crotch

Compare to the GA416 which has become a favourite since I can actually still recover at range with the recoil but it takes 2 shots to incapacitate

I did a ta bit of testing since I spent 3 hours on relapse

[dapper granite]

I already have pretty much everything I need in my loadout (including the lockpick gun) and then I also give like 20 more flashes and 12 wedges to the swat AI so I have more than enough. The pepperball pistol kinda sucks and having just one mag in it is kinda useless so I just bring one thats lethal for fun if something goes wrong

[thick dome]

g36 has significantly less recoil than all other 556. mcx is 2nd. the 416 kicks like a mule in comparison.

the arn180 and mcx have similar recoil.

the ga51 has far less recoil than all other 308..particularly the sa58..those two should recoil the same. its just short G3 and FAL

[vale plume]

416 has more kickback

[cedar mulch]

VOID should provide players with the standard-issue FAL.

[swift atlas]

Whats better the sr-16 or the arwc?

[cedar mulch]

After all, modern G3A3 variants are available, so why isn't the original FAL included?

[thick dome]

ga51 is life..but man sa58 has aura

[cedar mulch]

But what we want is the original FAL in the suspect's possession, perhaps a modern variant.

[versed hedge]

Mk18 or Sr-16?

[torpid onyx]

mk18 retains the front sight post otherwise it's a small recoil differance

calibers are the same

also sr16 is like 4-6 inches longer

if you're choosing between 5.56 rifles all you're looking at is recoil, gun length (effects how close you can get to a wall before forced into high ready) and aesethics

and it's really not that deep you should be able to adjust and perform relatively similarly regardless

[vale plume]

I like mcx

[thick dome]

typically I use arn180 or mcx since they have nearly same recoil, and have same RoF. Just depends if I want to use 556 or 300bo.

if you want hilariously low recoil, g36. if you want manageable recoil but big balls..ga51

[coarse sail]

what up y'all

[vale plume]

MCX shoots similar like hk416
MCX has lighter recoil
Hk416 has a bit more recoil especially on PS5 controller
MCX has that hand smash reload
HK416 has a quick reload

[vale plume]

Sup homes

[cedar mulch]

In this game, the .300 performs significantly better than 5.56 and 7.62 on the Hard difficulty setting.

The .300 BRN180 and MCX are the most versatile rifles in terms of overall performance.

The DDM4PDW is somewhat more challenging to handle due to recoil issues.

[rough needle]

does lighting affect suspects?

like if there's no light do they react less immediately?

[rough needle]

oh really?

wait like 7.62x39 or 7.62x51?

[cedar mulch]

Statistically, the 7.62x39 and .300 calibres are identical in every respect. However, the SLRAK proves less effective than the LVAR and BRN180. On Hard difficulty, the 7.62x51 simply cannot down enemies within a few shots, as enemy health pools have been universally increased and the margin for error drastically reduced. Moreover, 7.62 ammunition is scarce.

The .300 rifle boasts rapid reloading, high rate of fire, a 30-round magazine, and manageable recoil – making it the most reliable choice in Hard Mode. The DDM4 PDW is an exception, being rather unwieldy.

[full shore]

Sr16 is the best gun in game

[cedar mulch]

More long-barrelled rifles should be added, such as the M16A3 or A4.

[full shore]

Been asking for an A4 for years 😭

[lost inlet]

no, lighting does nothing to them.

the only source of light that does affects is your flashlight via spotting it while it's on.

[fading herald]

Is there ever going to be a follow-up to port hokan? Follow-up missions or a sequel or something?

[cedar mulch]

Narcos is the continuation of Port.

Both the dealership and the port suffered damage due to Mike's actions, prompting Spider to withdraw temporarily, while Los Locos opted for retaliation.

[fading herald]

Ah, I don't have narcos yet so

that's why I asked

[hard jay]

They should lowk add a Taser 10.

I got to play around with one yesterday, and they are genuinely kinda cool

[swift atlas]

Whats better the mk18 or the arwc?

[quasi coral]

Somehow, no

[quasi coral]

M4A1 Block II or Block III PLEASE 😭

If they add any of that I'm absolutely giving them all my money

[whole plume]

Does anyone have a good Vanilla cosmetic setup for a Patrol officer and also a loadout too?

[jolly verge]

MK18 shoots faster (750 vs 666 rpm), ARWC have low recoil but unusable with arm injury debuff

[vale plume]

I don’t wanna wait until the new update

[chilly thorn]

Spas 12

[vale plume]

The new update will have a scoped sight , 45 degree dual sight

[chilly thorn]

I sincerely hope void adds a reason to use a solo flashlight as opposed the laser combo it would really fuck up balance and just bring less replayability

I've said this before but maybe make the flashlight on the +laser versions shittier? I don't know if that would be realistic but gameplay over realism.

[whole plume]

Greased Palms at S Rank is so aids man

You dont stand a chance and there is loads of them

Anyone have any tips to beat it?

[rocky plover]

"section off" the map in like 4 parts, taking each part from the perimeter side of the map while avoiding the middle part that connects all 4 parts, helps a lot especially when after a while suspects get stressed and start to focus on a particular side, you can try and approach from behind them. I like to clear the first building where you spawn first, then instead of advancing from that building to the main section, go back and clear the small building on the right, then try to clear a small portion of the main area (from the back door into the main area near that small building that you just cleared) but don't advance to much, then go back to spawn and clear exterior by following left side of the map (might get lucky and be able to also get some suspects that are inside from outside by getting them to you to be able to arrest easier), then go back to first building at the spawn, go inside, and try to go upstairs to the offices and clear that, then pretty much you only have the main area left to deal with, take this part very carefully cos its annoying when they can see you from every nook and cranny and just try to utilise bait tactics and grenades etc... Depends a lot of rng and spawns but usually this is the way that I do it. Could try it a different way but I suggest avoiding the main area "head-on" and section off the map in different parts.

[whole plume]

Appreciate the help 🫡

[limpid whale]

Can anyone explain / link to an explanation of stinger vs flash, are suppressors and sound discipline in general useful (like opening doors quieter etc) if C2 is good for scaring them etc. ?

I know it’s a bit niche but like

Wouldn’t lots of explosions and gunfire make them more likely to surrender? Does using a suppressor prevent suspects from knowing you’re there? Or at least knowing where you are precisely? Does a flash do different things to a stinger? If I kick a door as opposed to swinging it open or peeking and pushing it open do these affect NPC reactions?

Thank you.

[whole plume]

• Stingers send out lots of pepper balls that can cover a longer range and stun a (negligible in practice) longer range, other than that theyre identical to flashes.

• Supressors arent that useful as yelling for compliance etc has a higher radius of sound than gunshots, however for identifying freind from foe, they can help.

• C2 being loud will increase the suspects stress level, as well as knocking anyone behind the door out

[spiral cipher]

Anyone know if there's going to be more maps in the future? I've gotten S on all maps, base and DLC and it's kind of a melancholic feeling

[limpid whale]

What is stress level

[rocky plover]

you're welcome

[rocky plover]

1. flashbangs and stingers are very similar: the m320 variants are practically identical (both same range of 10m) but the hand thrown version are slightly different (flash 10m, stingers 12m), personally I prefer flashbangs for these reasons; flash can be used more aggressively especially with anti-flash goggles, can't really do that with stingers or you'd get disorientated yourself, they are more "instant" to the above reason as well, doesn't have a chance to kill unlike stingers (though this is very rare so not super important), waaaay less chance of friendly fire penalties when using flashbangs unlike stingers, way easier to throw and aim through tight spaces/doors and don't bounce and roll around like stingers.
2. suppressors do reduce noise but not a lot, considering yelling, opening doors without peeking etc... already output a lot of noise already so imho don't really see a lot of advantages to them.. they increase weapon length etc.. but they do have advantages as well, they give less stress to the suspects per shot fired but not a huge deal imho either.

[torpid onyx]

we will finally be able to toggle the magnifications of the LPVOs

only took a couple years

[vale plume]

I don’t wanna wait for that either

[torpid onyx]

the noise thing with supressors really isn't the part that matters 99% of the benefit is cutting the stress gain per shot in half which is pretty useful if you don't mind the extra length/don't need a brake for recoil control although generally I don't bother with supressors anymore

but it helps limit suspects going to grab hostages alot

also flashes r coolr then stinger because big bang is coolr

[rocky plover]

stress is when a suspect is compliant vs super aggressive, on most maps they start with low stress and this gradually goes up according to what happens, but keep in mind there are a few maps where suspects are already maxed out on stress.
also dont confuse this with morale, it's actually the opposite (suspects usually start with high morale and low stress)

[rocky plover]

ye i explained all that ^, yea i pretty much only use the SFMB brake, way better benefits imho

[maiden sequoia]

Tbh when I started i was hoping flashlights slightly blind enemies (when close enough) and decrease moral/accuracy

Obviously in light they wouldn't work

But yk the small stuff matters

[torpid onyx]

flashlights will be nice once we get multi attachment

[rocky plover]

yeah ground branch already has this, would be nice if its implemented in RoN aswell

[maiden sequoia]

I always run flashlight. I always run into areas where it's too dark for my eyes and too bright for NV

[torpid onyx]

right now it's a hard sell to use the flashlight since it does alert enemies if they see the beam and it's only really good for the occasional dark spot and for seeing tripwires without dropping down your nvgs

[rocky plover]

yeah right now i only use flashlight too, can;t wait for multi attachments

alerting them can be an advantage to you too by making them come to you and baiting them xD

[maiden sequoia]

I...I'm sorry you have to hear this but I just found out flashlights are the reason enemies know where I always am

So I'm not crazy and they don't have hax. Good to know

[torpid onyx]

I mean they can know for other reasons but if you are on the other side of a doorway and suddenly I guy goes "I know you're over there fucker!" the flashlight is probably why

[jolly verge]

They also can hear you walking if you did not know that

[wind gyro]

i always use lasers and alt aiming, optimal strategy

[spiral cipher]

Yeah can't see why I'd use the sights when you can canted with laser

[maiden sequoia]

So my fucking clob stompers are also the reason

Imma just start floating

[whole plume]

Yes, this

[torpid onyx]

the phenomaman strat

[wind gyro]

the only sight i put on is something more than 1x at least 2x tbh

[rocky plover]

flashlight and canted aiming also works just saying xD

thats what i do in cqb, then switch to normal aiming in medium range

[torpid onyx]

honestly if I can't hit shots with flashlight canted I'm probabaly too far to reasonably use canted

[wind gyro]

with lasers it looks cooler

[maiden sequoia]

I discovered extra lean by accident halfway through my iron hermit run

[rocky plover]

ye then switch to the 1x sight xD

[rocky plover]

true true haha

[spiral cipher]

No sight + laser + canted, don't need to change based on distance even

[wind gyro]

eh i rarley use the sight even tho i have one on my weapon at all times

[spiral cipher]

Peripheral vision is good too, sight isn't blocking left side or around what you're aiming

[torpid onyx]

I do notice sometimes with laser canted though on like rust belt or greased palms outside the laser does get a bit overexposed and hard to see though

so I wouldn't call it a complete solve all solution to aiming

[maiden sequoia]

Rust belt is my shotgun friendly zone

[rocky plover]

ye agree

[vale plume]

Scope sight will aid in far combat or hostage

[final ember]

Will they EVER fix Blue Team's grenade bug??
People who played the singleplayer long enough know what I'm talking about. Blue Team always seems to run out of flashbangs after they use just one. doesn't matter how many you assign to their loadout, in the mission there's only one flashbang carried between the two of them.

I know RoN already has so many bugs that need to be taken care of but this one of those that really sabotages your performance in the mission.

[wind gyro]

if youd report it, maybe they would know it existed

[maiden sequoia]

Also, when assigning wedges they bring more than I ask sometimes?

[wind gyro]

#1050535723087958156

[final ember]

where do I report to them directly? because this is definitely a known bug among the playerbase

[final ember]

ah

[maiden sequoia]

Unless I'm unaware

[rocky plover]

that's because 1=2, 2=4 etc.

[maiden sequoia]

[final ember]

I believe Wedges come in 2-packs, like C2 charges

[rocky plover]

yes

[wind gyro]

also #1050529506022137876 is there for suggestions and of course feedback if you also didnt know

[maiden sequoia]

Yeh i still got a lot to learn

Wait what about bangs?

[final ember]

appreciate it

[rocky plover]

no

[vale plume]

Bangs are what now ?

[maiden sequoia]

Thought so

[final ember]

#👮ron-discussion message

[maiden sequoia]

We are in ron discussion?

[vale plume]

You do I guess still this game is abit slow

[rocky plover]

just c2, wedge, taser and the flash/gas launcher (which gives first 6 free then 1 per 1 point)

[maiden sequoia]

I would like a AI revamp

I've seen some shit that gives me ptsd of R6 teammates

[vale plume]

They’re all morons

[rocky plover]

although they should do this for more items like the pepperball pistol for starters, doesn't make sense 1 point for it gives you 6 shots when 1 point for the rifle variant gives you 25 shots lol

[maiden sequoia]

I swear they took Jynxzi and made him a AI

[wind gyro]

jynxzi played ready or not if you didnt know

[maiden sequoia]

Like why are you out in the open reloading and NOT RETURNING FIRE

Of course he did

I've had suspects 360 on my ass and surrender or get popped

And are there "special" death animations for suspects and if so how many are there?

[rocky plover]

arterial bleeding, dismemberment, bomb vests

[maiden sequoia]

So I've experienced 1 so far out of my 50h

[wind gyro]

which

[maiden sequoia]

Arterial bleeding

On relapse

[wind gyro]

use a shotgun and aim for the head

[maiden sequoia]

I wasn't sure if the suspect was having a fent seizure until I saw the blood

Nice little details

[wind gyro]

fent 😭

[spiral cipher]

That just means you didn't dump the full mag better luck next time

[maiden sequoia]

What are your thoughts on anatomical accuracy

[jolly verge]

Wdym

[maiden sequoia]

Example if I pop a suspect with 762 in the knee I want the suspect to fall over and have a floppy leg

Im asking for realistic anatomy