👮ron-discussion

[unborn echo]

sounds to me more like YOU're the weeb here

[bold sky]

i would prefer the game not have picking up guns as a grading requirement?

[unborn echo]

you literally dont have to do it tho

[rotund cypress]

Are you on PC?

[bold sky]

ok pal

this game does not need to have good optimization or good ai too

there you go then if you believe so

[rotund cypress]

If yeah you can just get a mod to make evidence not count

[bold sky]

i play no mod most of the time if i play mp

not to mention modding invalidate your score most of the time

[solemn patio]

I want to pick up guns and be able to toss them away from suspects and TAKE THAT MAKAROV OUTTA THEIR HOLSTET

[marsh lark]

The game has that mechanic, it is not a requirement to pass through missions. If you want the cosmetics your two choices are either to achieve the required grade, or simply download a cosmetic unlocker.

[bold sky]

so thank you, if i care about scoring i would prolly not mod the game

im just saying i play w different people, many people pick up the game and starting out

[marsh lark]

Modding does not invalidate anything

[unborn echo]

S rank was literally only meant to be a challenge not the "intended way" of playing the game, why are you so pressed about others enjoying what they paid for

[bold sky]

when people start out they genuinely see grade as a sort of achievement to work towards

[marsh lark]

The only thing you get is the "modded game" tag at the end which is irrelevant in anything

[bold sky]

lets put it this way i finished my s grind a while ago

[marsh lark]

It does not throw away your score, it does not postpone your achievement progress, nothing

[rotund cypress]

But it is an achievement to work towards?

[bold sky]

im fine w people doing this

[marsh lark]

llo

[bold sky]

i also understand its somewhat miserable to grind s solo

[marsh lark]

ello

[bold sky]

so if people grind s in mp and they ask other people to help them out i would prefer not have to do housework every game w them

i also wish we get trailers in mp and they pick up trash too instead of just hauling bodies for fun

[marsh lark]

To be fair, if people go into #🔎looking-for-players and mention they want to get an S, logically you should assume they expect everyone to take part in achieving that S. If you dislike that they want you to pick up something, then express that at the very start.

So, for S rank you either go and pick up everything or use mods. And as I have mentioned mods do not give you any cons. You only get "Mods Detected" at the end score which does not do anything. You can quite literally ignore it altogether.

[bold sky]

theres a massive difference between i am cringe and dont want to do it versus its annoying that everyone has to do it

its insane that we are also dragging this conversation to the point of lets get s w mods

you can straight up install mods that give you infinite hp or make bots barely spawn

stuff that makes you walk faster than the ai can even aim track

so sure yeah can just get s w mod but thats straight up like the most pathetic way to get s

[marsh lark]

I do not see your point. I am giving you options.

[bold sky]

my only point

[marsh lark]

You do not like the options, that is fine

[bold sky]

this game make a grading system

[marsh lark]

You play the game how you want to play it, and you let everyone play the game how they want to.

Which is not influenced by mods.

[torpid onyx]

cops are maids

[bold sky]

a grading system encourage people to work towards something

[rotund cypress]

ACAM

[bold sky]

i acknowledge mod exist and i dont hate on it

but again modding to get s means nothing and to many people thats a hollow achievement

grinding s on vanila mean having to spend more time picking up stuff from the floor

but im ngl anyone who resort to telling people just mod the game is so comfy w mods at this point most forgot how annoying vanila is not in terms of difficulty but in terms of maidwork

also again since most people grinding s just started the game many of them dont mod the game too

[rotund cypress]

I mean if you’re complaining that vehemently about collecting evidence then it would make sense to suggest just modding

[marsh lark]

I am not encouraging you to do anything. I am stating once again, I gave you the options to your conundrum.

I cannot be any more clear on this.

[torpid onyx]

just act like the big booba anime maid you aparently are and clean up the mess 🥀

[rotund cypress]

Ough there’s another mess now

[bronze crypt]

if you wanna run mods, do it, if not, dont, it is that simple

[marsh lark]

I dislike S ranking with LTT because it someitmes relies on pure luck, and because I play for enjoyment. Unfortunately I do not have personal enjoyment in that and wish to play like a normal team would.

[bold sky]

imma be real doing vanila ltt on hard mode rn on some maps is downright miserable and having to do cleaning chores on top of that is uber cringe

sure you can say "mod it" and all that crap but once again vanila game has its charm and its fulfilling to get a s without any mod

[bronze crypt]

you can always choose to highlight evidences

[bold sky]

yes you can thank you still have to pick it up and sometimes it glitch

like holy crap i did oil rig s no mod w some people and then have to walk around the map for like 20 minutes bc someone said theres a pistol that disappear

[bronze crypt]

i did that too and i have mods

it happens to everyone

[bold sky]

doing leviathan on garbage 36 fps is horrible

thank you buddy the "i have mods" is a crtitical different

s rank leviathan no mod takes a very long time and the execution is painful now without gas

but with mods i can change the roe entirely and just get s no matter what i do

you can s rank leviathan with mod in like 2 minutes if you want

[bronze crypt]

you do realise that not all mods change ROE

[bold sky]

thank you but again "modded S" rank means any mod is fair game

[bronze crypt]

okay...?

[bold sky]

theres a massive flex difference between someone getting a s screen with no mod than w one so its understandable some people try to do it

[rotund cypress]

You control the mods you download

[bronze crypt]

brother

it is just a game

its a virtual rank

[bold sky]

and i dont hate on them for doing it but when i help them and we have to suffer chore after clearing the map its cringe

[bronze crypt]

no one here will judge you on that

[jagged leaf]

is ready or not even fun when your squadmate isn't getting blasted in the head or if you don't "accidentally" murder a few civilians

[bold sky]

i mean yeah no one will doesnt mean people cant get fulfillment out of it?

[rotund cypress]

I love magdumping my friends!

[bold sky]

can you really blame someone if they say i wanna get s rank non modded

[bronze crypt]

then do it? what problem are you facing?

[rotund cypress]

Everyone talks about “when is PvP coming back” like it isn’t already a core mechanic

[jagged leaf]

by that im tryna entail the NPC's sometimes straight up one-tapping the guy right next to you

[bronze crypt]

if its an issue maybe i can help

[bold sky]

thank you but not everyone really need help this is a general channel basically

[rotund cypress]

Oh no I intentionally kill them

[jagged leaf]

🔥

[rotund cypress]

Only my friends obv not randos

[bold sky]

im just saying any body who slog thru the pain of going s without mods know the chore at the end to pick up stuff is a kick in the ball sometimes

sure it can stay this way but its very not ideal

[jagged leaf]

i think that it's the least of your concerns when doing S rank

[rotund cypress]

RoE violation -50 for hitting a guy with 21 pepperballs instead of only 20

[bold sky]

yes thats obviously the least of my concern in fact it should not even be a concern

i already have to use my brain to figure out a route and execution

then when we actually go in for s aiming matters a lot too without gas abuse right now

then the game makes me pick up garbage for like 10 minutes and pray nothing glitches out

[fallen zealot]

That’s fair just annoying it didn’t get fixed initially and yh swat ai is messed

The trophy’s?

[marsh lark]

yes

[fallen zealot]

Ohhh fair

[onyx swift]

You guys need to mod for your S Ranks?

[onyx swift]

true

What matters is that you’re having fun

If it’s getting an S Rank with mods, that’s your hosted game and your own fun

[onyx swift]

Also, this

We’re a team.
Act like it.

Collecting evidence (other than it falling into a map, like Dorms before recent fixes) isn’t an issue if you do it right after each finished engagement/safe Suspect arrest

And there’s the accessibility setting to help too

[round locust]

is there a "best" gun in ready or not or can I choose anything I want?

[marsh lark]

Depends how you take it.

There are better weapons, and there are worse weapons

Most are usable.

The best ones imo are the G36, F90, ARN180

[latent crescent]

is this ragebait or are u just on console

ur deffo on console

[latent crescent]

unless u do it all with no mercy for terrorists and then flex it, then i will judge

[latent crescent]

not really but the best best one is the m32a1 flash launcher

[winter tusk]

using no mercy is already tiring enough tbh LOL

[latent crescent]

no mercy for terrorists is only for military larpers really

otherwise its acc just useless i cant tell any gameplay difference with it on or off

[winter tusk]

too lazy to pick up evidence honestly

[latent crescent]

it affects evidence too?

i didnt know

[winter tusk]

yea. you dont have to pick up evidence

[latent crescent]

oh sick

idk why the game expects us to pick up evidence in the middle of a 5v50 gunfight

[winter tusk]

right? but the roe is relaxed. so killing HVTs are common and then there goes my S rank

[bronze crypt]

My only problem with evidence is that sometimes it sucks

[latent crescent]

😭

[bronze crypt]

Picture sent in #🎬ron-clips-and-media

I think I’m unlucky sometimes since it falls out of the map

[latent crescent]

luckily for S rank u can miss like one gun ive heard

never really tried it though

i dont wanna S rank that mexican car dealership 💔

or los suenos stories

that dealership is getting the flash launcher treatment idc

[winter tusk]

i just did. i would like to die. even tho i had no mercy

[latent crescent]

its so traumatising

i struggled with that mission more than greased palms

all the other base missions are an actual cake walk compared to those two

and then u got three letter triad...

[tired jungle]

Nah

[latent crescent]

yikes

then hope ur ai can get guns that arent possible to get

[tired jungle]

Sometimes the game itself recognizes out of bounds weapons

Gets them automatically

[latent crescent]

im just glad i dont need to touch elephant again

RIP my 1:30 score being visible tho

[pliant frost]

Do civils and suspects react to laser ?

[tired jungle]

They should but sometimes they don't

[marsh lark]

No

They only react to flashlight

[prime spear]

People still dragging the censorship, cute.

tf

much better

[prime spear]

PC players complaining about stuff when they can just download mods..

[final rover]

hi!

[prime spear]

YOU, do you play on PC?

Damn Zach typing.

[final rover]

yes i do!!

[prime spear]

Do you think there aren't enough guns in the game?

[fringe marten]

Hello team! I'm new here, and I posed a question to my friend which got shot down, so I wanted to pose it to more of the community: do you folks think it would be cool if in shouting for compliance, the officers would sometimes mix in Spanish shouts for compliance given their environment (esp on Cartel missions)?

[prime spear]

so

[final rover]

um, i only just got the game so im not the best person to ask but when i had a look it didn’t look like much of a choice! 😓

[prime spear]

you saying like, my boy Gomez Alejandro should say like "Manos arriba" sometimes? (idk got it off google translate)

[final rover]

i think that sounds cool!!

[prime spear]

look no further with.. mods!!!

[prime spear]

#1050529506022137876

[final rover]

i did see mods, they look very cool. i did install ones to make the ai better

[prime spear]

@winter tusk

[final rover]

uh!

[fringe marten]

Exactly, or like "Calmate!" "Tranquilo!" or orders to kneel in Spanish

[void jasper]

I was just in a game, trying to see if the laser was visible to enemies and it is:) the IR laser isn’t of course but if you peek into a room and the red dot peeks with you, the enemies say “wats that” lol

[onyx swift]

acting like cats lol

[void jasper]

Yep 😎

[marsh lark]

Should not be possible

[mighty hemlock]

Ey I know this is a stupid question but is hard difficulty really hard or am I just stupid. Don't get me wrong I fumble some of my plays but I just have situations where I'm stuck on levels for a long time when playing on hard difficulty

[pliant frost]

Actually is possible

[marsh lark]

Unless MMMM did not update his sheet, which is very unlikely then it is impossible

[mighty hemlock]

Say 10 tries to pass

[pliant frost]

Which levels excatly

[marsh lark]

Hard is overly hard

Sometimes you just have to abuse the games mechanics

[crude swift]

Wsg

[mighty hemlock]

Practically anything past 23 megabytes a second. Some exceptions here and there but that's the rule. And I'm not even S ranking the levels, just lethal runs

[pliant frost]

No mods ?

[mighty hemlock]

No. I'm on console so it's basically impossible to mod

[pliant frost]

Okay, my opinion is that you just need a lot of practice, the game is quite challenging. I got 300h in game and I S-ranked Relapse mission on hard after 30-40 tries. Don't worry 😄 . BUT at the same time appropriate equipment is crucial

Plus you need to be patient, make moves slooow, be careful with your decisions

PLUS ai in this game simply sometimes sucks as fuck

[mighty hemlock]

I understand. Thank you for the information

[pliant frost]

Best equipment depends on your current mission

for e.g on rust belt no suspect has armor, so use ONLY JHP ammo

[wraith gale]

run 762.39 JHP on every map except sins of the father, elephant

on those 2, run AP

[pliant frost]

Stop spreading miss-info

[wraith gale]

it's not misinformation

you dont wanna run JHP on those 2 maps

[pliant frost]

It's lol. Valley of the dolls = full armor

[wraith gale]

JHP can penetrate armor on that level

they have weak ass armour

[pliant frost]

There is absolutely no reason to use JHP on Valley of the Dolls

[winter tusk]

i prefer 6.5 creedmor

[pliant frost]

bro

[wraith gale]

theres really no need to use AP on any map if you just shoot more

[pliant frost]

just use AP 5.56, why you would use that ass-over-penetrating shit

less ammo, recoil high as fuck

[wraith gale]

5.56 over 762 is wild

[pliant frost]

.

• overpenetration as I said

[wraith gale]

it should take you 1 mag on most missions

[marsh lark]

They are identical with the only difference being that 762.39 JHP being stronger than 5.56 one

Other than that no difference

[wraith gale]

🙏

[pliant frost]

Sooo, considering high recoil there is no reason to use that on valley, thanks

[winter tusk]

idk if it’s jus me but damn the mk16 recoil is high but high enuff for me to hit the head on the 2nd shot

[marsh lark]

What 762 are you talking about because we have x51 and x39

[pliant frost]

both

both comes with high recoil, which is really unmanageable

in my opinion of course

[prime spear]

John Battlefield.

[prime spear]

did it just go up to 26?

[winter tusk]

yes

[wraith gale]

which ones have x39 and which ones have x51

[winter tusk]

only the ak is 39 iinw

[prime spear]

riddle me this... asian boy..

[latent crescent]

i get em into a line and then cartel them

if u get the idea

[winter tusk]

i’m waiting

[prime spear]

Will I, or will I not stay in the Los Suenos HQ for 3 hours....

[winter tusk]

for sure. coz u all abt making ur character look cool but not bringing him into combat

[prime spear]

SAS got new JD.

GROM unlocked a new area

[marsh lark]

sl47 x39, SA58 x51

[indigo heath]

Hey guys what do you do after finishing all the missions including the story missions

[prime spear]

Install mods.

[indigo heath]

Im on PS5

[prime spear]

Wait for Ananta.

[indigo heath]

Is that like a new mission thats coming around?

[prime spear]

basically...
GTA V, Forza Horizon, Spider-Man in one game...

[indigo heath]

Uh I'm confused so it is a new mission?

[pliant frost]

Those who doesn't know: 🙂 Those who know: 😨

[prime spear]

No.

[indigo heath]

Im confused.

[prime spear]

An actual game

Made by the same studio of Marvel Rivals.

[pliant frost]

WHAT?! RoN 2 ?

[warm herald]

wsg

[indigo heath]

So how does that relate to RoN?

[prime spear]

.

You said "what yall do when you finish the game"

I responded with, "install mods"

[indigo heath]

Yeah as I mean in the game Ready or not.

[prime spear]

but you on ps5

shhhh

[indigo heath]

Not a whole new game.

[prime spear]

let me finish

[indigo heath]

Mhm.

[marsh lark]

You find a group of people to play with and practice. Either to just replay the missions, learn some tactics, whatever that gives you fun.

[prime spear]

so

[winter tusk]

find a new game. because you ain’t got nth else to do already

[prime spear]

Eugh. So.... corporate.

[indigo heath]

Thank you.

[prime spear]

real shi.

[marsh lark]

I am giving him a normal answer.

[prime spear]

"find people to play with" easy as that.

[indigo heath]

Is RoN gonna get more missions/levels?

[winter tusk]

honestly. what is normal. what defines normal

[prime spear]

if you spend more money on the game.

[marsh lark]

Or you join people who spent money

[winter tusk]

some say 2026 but i can’t be too sure

[prime spear]

2026, Ananta releases that year.

[indigo heath]

I meant like in future updates etcera.

[warm herald]

there any RoN milsims or groups advertising here?

[marsh lark]

#📌unit-promo

[warm herald]

ty

[prime spear]

idk how you understood that.

[winter tusk]

we speak english

[indigo heath]

It was a simple question

How would he not understood that.

[prime spear]

grazie, sherlock.

wtf is milsims.

Sims 4?

[indigo heath]

Milsims.

Are military simulators

[marsh lark]

Tactical gameplay pretty much

You can sum it up into that

[prime spear]

CS2... jk.

[void jasper]

Funny stuff happening in the lfg channel

[prime spear]

the what channel?

ooh Looking for players?

[indigo heath]

Looking for players

Yes.

[marsh lark]

Don't see much interesting stuff there

Just a few people trying to play

[void jasper]

Jeez is anyone in here even in game?

[prime spear]

ofc, the damn slow-mode is like.. 40 years

[marsh lark]

It is 5 seconds

That is not a lot

[prime spear]

never bothered to check.

couldve sworn it was longer before.

[marsh lark]

Then why do you say it's 40 years

makes no sense

Before it was 10-15 seconds, sure

[prime spear]

cents.

[balmy nymph]

stolen valor mission is pain.

i love it

[prime spear]

damn #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art is 20 minutes. why.

it was not 20 mins before

[balmy nymph]

it's for pictures not to chat

[indigo heath]

So will RoN be getting more levels/missions that are free (im not spending £50 for more) any soon?

[marsh lark]

The DLCs are 10 bucks each

Assuming it will remain the same

[balmy nymph]

the real question we need is.

Mr mod, why we can't react to comments on this channel :c

[prime spear]

how the fuck do i tell someone "nice pic cro" without my message getting deleted by the un-paid moderator

[marsh lark]

And you do not need them to play the levels, you can join someone who has the DLC and play with them

[balmy nymph]

u use the link system discord has

[prime spear]

repeat that again.

i must've not understood that

[indigo heath]

That's in the US im in the UK where it costs 50

Lemme double check that

[marsh lark]

It cannot cost 50

[balmy nymph]

right click on a comment.

"copy message link"

you paste it (like this #👮ron-discussion message) and you tag the user

[prime spear]

join the Special Air Service.

[prime spear]

bear

[balmy nymph]

beer ?

[prime spear]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message @winter wyvern tuff pics

[prime spear]

1 million beers.

[balmy nymph]

ye, exactly that

[prime spear]

if he doesnt respond in a day, his car will be Flamebae's new victim.

fuck

[indigo heath]

Nevermind I must of been blind its actually quiet cheaper

£7.99 for dark waters
£7.99 for home invasion
£15.99 for Mission pass Alpha (whatever that is)

[prime spear]

Re-shade got an update

[marsh lark]

Not sure what mission pass is

[unborn echo]

can i order an angel shot please

[marsh lark]

In any case we can assume that all DLCs will cost the same unless the content in the next DLC will be marginally larger

[prime spear]

ansi balavida ansi ... hey blue shirt!

[balmy nymph]

so, back to the game.

How u peeps handle stolen valor? Go from to to top and then slowly down ? I assume never the middle stairs since i got close and bullets were everywhere xD

[prime spear]

nuke the whole generation

@winter tusk a coglion

[winter tusk]

puttana

[prime spear]

Ballistic posted.

[unborn echo]

start from either side outside the house, its usually easier to flank them than to breach in from the front door

[winter tusk]

mpx yes i know

[prime spear]

Recoil is mad

[indigo heath]

It says mission pass alpha includes 3 ready or not expansion: home invasion, dark waters and a third expansion launching in 2026

[balmy nymph]

i always wedge the main door, but the stairs at the bac, are a nightmare.

Bots see me and react instantly when i'm going up and i don't even see them xD

maybe i still have it on hard and i didn't notice

hmmmmmmm

[indigo heath]

My main gun is the SA-58 OSW

[prime spear]

Bomb the whole place

[prime spear]

Yall consolers... yall got it rough..

[balmy nymph]

wrong game tho

[prime spear]

B site.

[marsh lark]

Well, then there you have it

[prime spear]

holy shit David Beaumont is typing

[brave lance]

Why can’t my friend hear me? He’s on PC and I can hear him I’m on console and he can’t hear me

[prime spear]

Sue Void Interactive.

[balmy nymph]

maybe the mic imput is wrong

[brave lance]

How would he fix that ?

[balmy nymph]

options, audio.

"input audio device"

it should say the name of the mic

or the headphones

Oh, it was on hard.
That's why it was so hard

im so dumb sometimes xD

[prime spear]

Invisigal, out.

[final rover]

👋

[spare depot]

How are non lethal weapons (that takes up a weapon slot)

[glass heart]

they range from total garbage (TRPL pistol) to absolutely cracked (m32 flash)

generally the trpl and tpl as well as the m32 gas are bad, while the vpl-25, beanbag shotgun and m32 flash are pretty good

[balmy nymph]

shotty is gud

the gas variants IMO need waaaaaaaay more ammo to be good.

Since they kinda dont stun that easy

[spare depot]

Is there a good weapon to use with the top rated non lethals.

[balmy nymph]

i mean if u go less lethal i suggest u do the same with your AI

'cause if your reaction time is a little slower than the bots

the enemy is ded

not sure if u can go shield + tazer

but that combo would be awesome

If the flash lands on a bed it wont stun the suspects.

Noted xD

[storm belfry]

Beanbag shotgun, stuns, and more stuns

☝️

[pliant frost]

Shield for AI is a real game-changer

[balmy nymph]

that's too easy

[spare depot]

Hard mode is fun. As long as you ignore the fact you die so quickly with heavy armor, bleed out alot.

[winter tusk]

that’s y i carry a shield. perfect protection from backshots

[spare depot]

Most of my threats are "front towards enemy"

So the shield is basically a really good tool to have

[glass heart]

hard mode is fun if you ignore what makes it hard mode

hhuuur duur jack up all the stats 30% that should be good enough

instead of you know... making the ai use actual squad tactics like promised, or making them more tactically aware and able to flank

they still stand around like utter buffoons

they just laser you even harder now

[winter tusk]

damn. mine increases suspect count by 50%

[glass heart]

gotta be something in those 26gb

because in vanilla hard mode only increases suspects by like 1 to 3 max

[winter tusk]

oh for sure. 50% kinda mid tho

[balmy nymph]

peeps, can civis grab weapons or i'm crazy ?

[winter tusk]

suspects

[winter tusk]

i feel ya. played this game for 3 years and i nvr knew that till a few days back

[solemn patio]

You ever trying to cuff a susp and suddenly you get shot at so you shoot the surrendering suspect in the head?

[mighty hemlock]

Yes with the added change of shooting him in the chest and not the head due to the range of the engagement

[solemn patio]

I grab my pistol so I can flash my light in their eyes and make them feel irritated

Flashlights are the goat

[prime schooner]

I was playing ends of the earth for some fun, using the mp7, and it shreds them. like on the stairs to the attic was a suspect, I turn up the stairs and gun him down in like 7 bullets

I love that gun it's such a fast firing weapon

[spare depot]

Is non lethal in some manner when your entire team is equipped with lethal weapons

I.e 1 non lethal officer and the rest are lethal officers

[latent crescent]

its ends of the earth the pepperball launcher shreds them

ends of the earth is like one of the only maps where non lethal is the most logical 😭

[prime schooner]

I know but its so fun to go lethal especially on that mission in my opinion

[glass heart]

compassionate? yes
logical? no

they are still armed gunmen

and they still die just as dead as anyone else once they try to shoot at cops

[latent crescent]

they’re 4 kids who cant aim for shit

one flashbang and they yield

[prime schooner]

what's some good lethal weapons that are fun to use? I wanna try some new weapons out

[glass heart]

if they give up fine

but if they die they die

[glass heart]

7.62 rifles and shotguns are nice

[latent crescent]

ump-9

used it to do elephant on hard solo

[prime schooner]

alr I'll try that out

[elder ember]

Anyone got tips for the oil rig mission for the dlc

[elder ember]

M4 line and also those small 5.56 rifles

[quasi coral]

So does the armed gunmen participating in a massive scheme of trafficking

[latent crescent]

cause they’re also pussies

[quasi coral]

Most suspects have flashlights, so pay attention to the light.
And, theres a lot small openings that they can shoot you from, watch those, especially your AI because they dumb as shi

[proud sun]

Maybe the real RoNs were the civilians we shot along the way

[latent crescent]

execution style

[proud sun]

Accidental* execution

[lime phoenix]

the price you pay for using SIG

[summer sequoia]

🔫

[real frigate]

The fact there's a statistic for how many civilians you've killed saved to your profile is terrifying imo

Like man I did NOT wanna know that 😭

[twilit thicket]

Does anyone know where I can file a complaint to get the game balanced? The enemies are freaking superhumans with aimbots and immortality.

[real frigate]

Welcome to RoN my friend.

If you're struggling decrease the difficulty. If you're playing casual and still getting your ass kicked... find someone who can teach you basics.

(Some of these missions were designed by heartbroken pissed off devs and are just extremely difficult.)

[torpid onyx]

annoying part is that it also counts other players in your lobby's kills

my only civi death tally by me shooting them is 1

[rotund cypress]

Wait huh?

Where can I see that

[torpid onyx]

and that was cos the guy came running thru my crossfire through a doorway

[real frigate]

I wish I could say the same... but to be fair to some degree almost every civ caused it, either by rushing into an ongoing firefight or just by jump scaring me and getting their face blown off...

Like who hears police blow a door up and rushes at the cops...

[grizzled granite]

There should be a way to cancel arrest animation

Just got killed while in the animation and my team was just staring at the enemy not doing shit

Holy fucking christ the ai is absolutely insane. Didnt even have time to react. Enemy said "what the fuck!" And one tapped me, if only I was recording

Are they programmed to prioritize killing the player over your teammate? Got one tapped again then they fired at my teammates. Told them to move to a certain spot

[storm belfry]

Not entirely sure, but I'm pretty sure yeah

it's basically closest player to them they'll focus unless you go behind cover or your AI are first spotted

[odd pond]

Howdy

[grizzled granite]

Jesus christ the ai is beyond broken fucking hell

Gonna take a break from the game for tonight. Just had my ai teammate mirror under the door. Said there was nothing there. Opened the door and the target was right there and killed me. Spent like 30 mins doing the mission

Got that recorded too

Just checked. Spent 34 mins doing the mission. Damn

Also doesnt help that its hard for me to figure out where people are coming from sound wise too

Could just be my headphones though

There were 2 enemies, not just one. Saw that in the clip

[bold sky]

the audio is bad in this game

but you'll get used to it ngl

10 hours in you'll likely start soloing maps without the swat ai

[grizzled granite]

The guns sound good, but the soundstage is very hard to place

[potent oak]

Hello Random Strangers! Question: does it matter what guns your SWAT Ai teammates use? So besides maps with tight corners, would it be better if my teammates all had 7.62x51mm guns, instead compared to running a full squad of 5.56x45mm guns?

Also, do attachments for the AI do anything too? (Would it be better if I gave them all ATAK x12 sights, if it significantly increases their range? (Thinking greased palms here) Do the muzzle breaks change their shooting behaviour (their recoil is less, thus they shoot more often?)

[bold sky]

give them elcan spectre

[grizzled granite]

Uh, mostly damage output and bullet pen

[bold sky]

the 4x in this game, its free 20% recoil reduction

[grizzled granite]

Greases Palms is hard

[bold sky]

stat wise you should refer to the spreadsheet in the pinned for specific maps but for unmodded vanila you can go .300 jhp and be fine in virtually all scenario

[grizzled granite]

Im stuck on that one

[bold sky]

use shield a .357 revolver ap for that map on unmodded if you just want to get thru it quickly

can use jhp .357 too they wear no armor

but still have to chest either case to get a one tap

[grizzled granite]

What about the wheelchair

You need to use the wheelchair

[bold sky]

ap helps w penetrating some of the rail in the map

[grizzled granite]

Damn yknow your brain is like half awake when you get these random thoughts

And it feels like you are spacing out and all you see is black

[bold sky]

7.62 nato is strong for ai on maps where you can score a one tap to the chest

outside of that use case you are better off equipping them w 5.56 ap or .300 jhp

[grizzled granite]

Tried a dmr in Battlefield 6. So satisfying

Are there gonna be dmrs? In RoN?

I know you used to be able to see the snipers pov a long time ago

Or maybe im thinking of Swat 4?

[bold sky]

.300 jhp covers all scenario where they dont wear highest tier armor so all sea dlc maps except cruise map, vanilla maps except elefant (school), sins of the father (clemente) and one more i cant remember

[potent oak]

There’s an unfinished bolt action in game files partly functional with mods

If that counts

[bold sky]

.300 jhp can also be considered insane/ broken for hard mode too just bc it still scores knock out w 1 limb + 1 chest

the game has a bolt action and a m14 but the bolt wasnt implemented in the game and m14 can be access w mods

[potent oak]

For now M14S is your best bet

[bold sky]

dmr wise technically any of the 7.62 nato is a dmr

[grizzled granite]

Ithink i know whats happening

[bold sky]

oh yeah we have regular m14s i forgot

[grizzled granite]

I think my adderall is wearing off

Im getting a lot of random thoughts rn hahahaha

Yea there is the m14

[bold sky]

theres a boltie in the game rn it has its own dedicated caliber too but not implemented

[grizzled granite]

I tried that out with a supressor

If supressor increases accuracy who wouldnt use it?

[potent oak]

I really do want to see a chunky 50cal sniper (e.g insane recoil but 1 shots anyone)

[grizzled granite]

Just add Guts from Cyberpunk 2077

With the recoil

They need to add a musket

For april fools

What if aliens spoke japanese

What if Obama never liked Doritos™

And he lied under oath saying Doritos™ was his favorite gamer food

[bold sky]

suppressor sucks unless you play hard mode and desperately need to keep awareness low

else sfmb beats suppressor in every use case possible

sfmb + 4x elcan + vert grip is the optimal recoil reduction package, can mix in combat grip if you feel the horizontal is impactful in any case

i run combat grip a lot too even if the reduction is marginal

[unborn echo]

accessories dont affect swat ai accuracy

[unborn echo]

swat ais accuracy is not affected by accessories, it stays the same through all guns/caliber, so ideally the bigger the caliber is the better

also give swat ai suppressors cuz less stress

[narrow geode]

In the way chief

[unborn echo]

i need you to move

[potent oak]

You’re in my way sir!

[bold sky]

true

[narrow geode]

I give my swat ai SA-58 with no suppressors so it gets as loud as possible

[potent oak]

I assume this means that running 12x scope wouldn’t change their effective range then?

[unborn echo]

if you're feeling REALLY angry equip your ais with only shotguns

[lost inlet]

yup.

it's all aesthetic.

[unborn echo]

yup, also your ai only need 1 slot in primary's ammo for unlimited ammunition

[potent oak]

?

They do?

[unborn echo]

if you dont believe me you can test it

[unborn echo]

yup

you can use the extra slots for ultilities

only primary tho, handgun cant do the same

[narrow geode]

They do run out of ammo no?
Unless I was seeing things

[potent oak]

I could have sworn one time they just kept using their pistol afterwards, I assumed this is because they ran out of Ammo

But sure, interesting

[unborn echo]

they do run out of each mag yeah, but they can reload infinitely

[narrow geode]

I meant they run out completely

[unborn echo]

nope try testing it in 23mb per second with only one team

give your ais only one mag and shoot randomly to make the suspects stressed

ideally if your ais reload even once it means they have unlimited ammo

[potent oak]

I’m doing the hermit achievement, is it better if I bring all steel or ceramic

(For AI)

[unborn echo]

all steel, ais speed will always match yours

[unborn echo]

also use 1 armorer and 1 nutrutionist, trust me, they're live savers

for the other 2 just use any you see fit, i recommend 2 negotiators for non lethal runs

[errant bane]

might as well attempt it so what do yall think i should equip the ai with for S rank

[unborn echo]

m32 flash launcher, 1 slot in ammo, 1 slot in wedge (if you need it), and the rest in flashbang

[errant bane]

ight i never equipped them with it before so they’re not gonna shoot the floor or something right

[unborn echo]

heavy armor, all steel, and equip 1 or 2 of your swat ais with shield, only 1 or 2 tho, dont go for more

[bold sky]

since you are asking i think it should also be pointed out that you can take the cringe way and mod the game to get s

[unborn echo]

nope, they use it just like any other gun

[bold sky]

thats unironically how most people playing this game get s btw, only a few people actually get s on vanilla unmodded

[unborn echo]

most people how exactly?

[errant bane]

i mean S ain’t hard

[bold sky]

can mod the game so the bare minimum of suspect spawn w uber relaxed roe and get infinite hp

[errant bane]

i have S on like 3/4 of the missions just need a few

[bold sky]

depends on map, getting s on oil rig is relatively hard

[unborn echo]

also you were the one that said move on, why still dragging it out now

[bold sky]

?

[unborn echo]

right

[bold sky]

im being real and just pointing out thats the easy way to get s what do you want

[unborn echo]

you're accusing "most" people of modding the game to get S, when in reality none do

[bold sky]

????????

[bold sky]

bruh getting actual s in hard mode right now w no gas abuse is not a pushover like when gas was good

on unmodded that is

[unborn echo]

changing topic again arent we?

[potent oak]

@unborn echo Hey, since you know like literally everything, I’m guessing you know about the glitch where presets randomly delete themselves. (Can consistently replicate it when editing then saving changes to preset)

Is there a way to get around that glitch? (a work arround or something so that I don’t have to keep doing my Ai squads loadout over and over when restarting)

[unborn echo]

wouldnt be the first time

[bold sky]

ok actually sure i agree

im not sure if that many people get full s rank w mod or not

but from the time i interact w people in lfg you know instantly who got their s grind done w mods

their aim placement when their stream, their positioning

sweeping the floor w their guns and just overall not very aware of map positioning

[unborn echo]

i dont know about glitches actually, i myself never ran into a bunch of game breaking bugs in my playthrough

[bold sky]

you just know instantly these people couldnt have possibly get s on hokan oil rig or even something like seraglio

[potent oak]

Oh…just me then…

[bold sky]

did you swap between commander and quick play by chance

[potent oak]

No

I have a screen recording of it if you want to see

Can’t seem to upload it to chat though

[unborn echo]

could be a problem with cloud save maybe? try checking if its still in sync next time, if it does then you can try #💻tech-support or #1050535723087958156 for similar issue

[potent oak]

Thx

[marsh lark]

So are we going to be coming back every single day to the discussion of that S ranking is a pain in the ass and that mods make it simple?

[unborn echo]

i was still wondering how did that guy come from complaining about others wanting to do S rank in public matches to everyone is using mods for S rank

[potent oak]

@unborn echo Last question for ya. Does the gun/caliber change their way the AI shoot? So for example, if i gave one a P90 and another the M14S-16, would the Ai change its behaviour based on the caliber (e.g burst fire for P90 and single fire for M14S-16) if the answer is no, then for the hermit challenge, theres literally no reason not to just bring all 7.62 guns

I believe I have seen a difference at range (P90 tap fires while outside on greased palms) but I’m not sure about calibre?

[unborn echo]

nope, and for the hermit challenge i'd recommend going non lethal, swat ais can resign when too stressed

[unborn echo]

swat ais behave the same way through all guns and calibers like i said above, so if you're playing quickplay or just going full lethal for fun then the bigger the caliber is the better

thats kinda the point too, there is no reason to not equip all your ais with 7.62

swat ais damage do change with calibers however, so yeah

[potent oak]

Yea, the plan is for me to go as non lethal as I can. The idea I had with having all the ai’s use 7.62 is that it would give them highest chance of not dying in their gun fights, because they can take the enemy out quicker than say a p90 at range could.

[unborn echo]

you can equip your ais with m32 flash launcher

[potent oak]

Xbox - standard edition

(Didn’t know I needed delux, and brought the DLC seperately)

Otherwise, yes, this would be much easier

This would also be a completely different story if I were doing a S tier hermit run too

[hidden finch]

The AI does fine with basically any lethal weapon you give them, I usually am the only one on my team that has a 7.62 rifle.

[potent oak]

I think I will pass on the s tier hermit challenge…for now at least

[hidden finch]

Also if you wanna take suspects alive then be generous with C4 and flashes

[bold sky]

my complain is about having to pickup evidence not about getting the s rank hello

[unborn echo]

you dont have to S rank for the hermit just watch out for stressed swat ais

[bold sky]

i have no clue why my words keep getting twisted from the very beginning

the risk of evidence either clipping thru terrain or just having to spend time picking it up after slogging thru a long map w ltt just adds an extra layer of chore

its never about modding make it easier but since modding is about the solution to anything in this game it became necessary to point out that modded s is nowhere near as challenging?

[tardy light]

Search and secure command sit back and relax

[marsh lark]

If you have a problem with the evidence pickup, then make a feedback

You are not going to achieve anything by talking about it here, especially when most people told you their stances when they took part in this discussion

It is a matter of opinions and that's also where it ends

because it leads to nowhere from there on out

[fringe plover]

1.3 billion shot vs 400 mln handcuffed

guess they resisted arrest

[reef anvil]

Me looking at the civilian AI get plastered

[reef anvil]

Easiest splution.... mods

Simply have the match end the moment all objectives are completed. Let forensics pick up the 1000 bullet casings, flashbangs and id that a frag grenade? Up

[last sparrow]

Half the games I go into people just drop anything that moves, even eachother

Half the time when I am detaining someone they execute them

[marsh lark]

I do use mods. Nevertheless I was pointing out that there is no point continuing the discussion. Everyone has their opinion on how the game should be played and completed. Some people want to grind through it, whereas some people want to enjoy the less effort. Coming here every day and discussing it with the same people who already stated their position is not going to lead anywhere.

[latent crescent]

i do fuck yeah

[latent crescent]

skill issue

[unborn echo]

evil

[vagrant zephyr]

I dislike the AI for a pretty different reason, there’s no tension once you know that everyone’s gonna shoot ya.

I wish the compliance rate on a level between suspects weren’t shared. I think there’s some missed potential with the entire concept of ‘arrest people’

[marsh lark]

Well, they are not exactly shared.

[vagrant zephyr]

They are pretty consistent though, I think it’s stress level that affects it?

[marsh lark]

The compliance rate depends on the stress and morale. Stress depends on how much you shoot, kick doors, blow up doors and yell for compliance. That also depends on how far away you are from them, so they will never really have the same morale and stress level

[vagrant zephyr]

Once I see an enemy AI my thought process is pretty much this:

Have I killed 2 people yet?
If not, yell.
If so, bang bang bang.

Maybe they changed it, or I got the wrong impression from the first few games, and it stuck?

[real frigate]

Why? I've had scenarios where I play the mission over and over and over... something changes every time. Suspects never in the same exact spot. Take 23 megabytes a second. Once I ran through and there were 4 plus in the streamers apartment, and the streamer in his room. Next playthrough, the streamer was directly behind the apartment door. Things chang every run through. You come to expect a suspect location based on predictability, but it's never the same twice.

[marsh lark]

Point is that while they may have very similar levels of stress and morale, they will hardly be the same.

They may be grouped up

might not

[vagrant zephyr]

I prefer the different tension that was advertised in the game, where you stare at a suspect not knowing on if they’ll lower the gun or not.

Certainly, I probably should’ve expected shooting in a tactical shooter game, but it kinda sucks how you can’t arrest people without bringing non-lethal. Makes them wayyy too predictable on if they’ll resist arrest.

[last sparrow]

I find the whole yelling at them causing explosions and such to be an odd way to increase compliance because realistically in most cases it would cause the suspect to become more dazed and irrational

[real frigate]

You can absolutely arrest without non lethal...some suspects see you and immediately drop their guns, especially if you're a full team and they're a solo.

[vagrant zephyr]

I’ve never had that experience before, unfortunately. They tend to stall for a few seconds, and open fire

[real frigate]

So you're telling me if you got flashbanged and had a team of 5 men screaming you wouldn't shit your pants and hit the floor?

[last sparrow]

I've noticed this, if you two or three man usually they will surrender

Also if you have decent cover

[vagrant zephyr]

I suppose it’s because it’s just me and my friend tackling the maps, not sure if two people cross the threshold of easier arrests

[last sparrow]

I didn't mention flash bang

I am just saying all in all stress against untrained persons leads to more irrational actions

[real frigate]

You did say explosions though, and flash is the most use explosive

[last sparrow]

Yeah not directly at them

I mean in the building

Though a flash would still daze them and they likely wouldn't drop their gun, would be more likely to ND than anything

[real frigate]

If you get a team of five going, suspects tend to think twice. If there's multiple suspects one of them is guaranteed to get a 556 facial but the first one as you hit the door usually has an oh shit moment.

[vagrant zephyr]

That sounds really fun, unfortunately that requires social interaction D:

[last sparrow]

Earlier I was doing the campus one with one of my friends, had a guy cornered in the reading nook with my shotgun, and he thought about it for about fifteen seconds then decided to raise his gun at me

The most hesitation I've seen out of a bot

[vagrant zephyr]

This is the kinda gameplay I’m looking for yea

I wonder if there’s any good AI mods that can do that. I’ll take a search

[real frigate]

The point i think needs to be stressed is if you actually play tactically, you'll get a more authentic experience vs trying to John Wick everything. Take a trained team through and it's fun as hell. Now some maps are a lot more aggressive than others, and some they're quick as hell to be like yep I'm cooked and surrender.

[vagrant zephyr]

I’ve had some good experience with the game, only gotten stuck on Three Letter Triad (somehow having clutched Leviathan against all odds), though I haven’t touched hard mode yet

[last sparrow]

Real, I also love doing non lethal runs

[real frigate]

They tend to like their odds in a 1v1. I don't give em that much time. It's a get on the ground or get tasered/shot. Im not opposed to putting a round near their skull to show you ain't playing around.

[last sparrow]

Well I blasted him in the plate once when we was running

But when I had him cornered I had my 870 trained on his head

[karmic birch]

thats the only mission i have left to do its hard with a shotgun but easy too because usually when i spray the pray helps me i did spend like 10 hours or more doing valley of the dolls s rank so ill make it eventually

[real frigate]

Yeah sometimes I do question their decision making. What I'd love to see is a role reversal, like instead of us being the police, we're the perps up against the incoming LEO. Are we statistically going to lose? Yes. Would it be fun as hell anyway? Also yes.

[last sparrow]

Let my little cousin play

She wanted an RPG because she said "They can't be in the room, if there is no room left"

[karmic birch]

you'd just win because no matter how good the ai is at being a aimbot machine you're a human

[real frigate]

I'm stuck on the hospital sadly. I try to play standard/hard mode on single player but damn this mission is kicking my ass. Even with my real life team in multi I've yet to survive. They get through but I somehow end up a casualty.

[karmic birch]

i got a D on that one slow and steady is my play style it also helps if you use the ai as your defacto shield

[last sparrow]

Hospital is pain, but imo the only hard part is half of them are dressed in scrubs

And the skybridge is a kill box

[karmic birch]

ive been shot on the bridge but if youre quick you can make it past them and better if they open the door so you can give lead

[real frigate]

Fair enough. I'm more of a lead from the front kind of person... oh yeah I learned real quick don't get on that bridge

[last sparrow]

I'm usually second man

Because I like to do the arrests

[real frigate]

When i do make the cross I order them through and pull security at the T

[karmic birch]

x ray and mri rooms are scary for me but everything else was pretty tame i go to second door and have them run in with flashes after sky

[last sparrow]

Personally me and my squadmate usually just push straight and ignore that door because when you go straight it is easier to control because you aren't so exposed

[real frigate]

I usually get through the ER and third floor... and then get domed on the second floor.

[last sparrow]

Don't forget the locker room & showers

[real frigate]

The morgue is creepy.

[last sparrow]

Not to me but I'm literally studying for similar lol

[karmic birch]

yeah thats where i lost one of my runs kali because of a guy pinning down my ai and i ran into him like a doofus he only had a pistol too

[real frigate]

Lol. I have military background, and Leo training, but I'm currently on track for my CDL.

[last sparrow]

I'm studying forensic photography and law enforcement

[real frigate]

The only thing I cannot stand about the ai swat operators is when they're under fire they don't seek cover, like if you're being shot at don't just return fire... get your ass into cover

[last sparrow]

I wanted to only do photography but when I talked the the RTP recruiter he said I need to have law enforcement training because we don't hire civilian forensics personnel

[karmic birch]

most times they dont even shoot back and the enemy single me out with their aimbot

[real frigate]

That's what p***** me off.It's because they become a deer in headlights and i'm having to watch them die because they decided to just stand there and eat the lead

[last sparrow]

What I would like to see more of is AI reaction to suppressive fire

Like keeping their heads down more

[real frigate]

Or I really want to see darkness affect AI... like these guys shoot like they have NVGs and I can't even see where they're shooting from with an NVG on... the dealership map is the biggest map that shows

[last sparrow]

Flashlight blinding too

[karmic birch]

yeah but when im dead they liven up and complete the mission without any hiccups when im spectating sadly you cant end the run that way because they freeze in place after securing and it doesnt finish

[last sparrow]

Like if I'm strobing my flashlight at their face it should disrupt their vision in dark settings

[real frigate]

Fr

[karmic birch]

rust belt was the map i felt most like that logram and hide n seek but to a lesser extent the second session i did to finally finish it that parking lot though was not fun some runs thank god the building to the right wasnt difficult to clear by my ai because i was scared to push in

[real frigate]

You'd think... but a flashlight does work in both ways because if you're straight in their face.Yes, it's blinding the hell out of them.But all they have to do was point at the light and shoot

[last sparrow]

Yeah

[real frigate]

When it comes to hide and seek my strategy is long range sniper shots. They typically try and keep the light to their backs, meaning they see the most, but they're Hella easy to see, as long as you have solid cover sniping your way through isn't too hard, I can show you clips of exactly what I mean

[last sparrow]

I hate the crack house the most

I have PTSD from knives

[unborn echo]

shing shing shing

[real frigate]

The dlc apartment building is pure chaos.

[last sparrow]

I actually like that one

[real frigate]

I hate it. You're going hot from the moment you get there.

[last sparrow]

Just the stairway can be a pain

[marsh lark]

It is true, some enemies surrender as soon as they see you

You do not even need to yell for compliance

[vagrant zephyr]

Huh… I’ve never had that happen before

[last sparrow]

😭

[marsh lark]

Also their morale is not set exactly. It is random and something in between

The compliance depends on morale

[vagrant zephyr]

Is it map dependent? I’m assuming that’s moreso gas station, homeless crackpot enemy type behaviour?

[marsh lark]

Yes

All maps have their own morale and stress levels

[real frigate]

Without yelling... idk. Then again if im close quarters I'm yelling a ton so I've never tried the silent sneaky move tbh

[last sparrow]

Just expect the crackheads to be unpredictable

[marsh lark]

Do not yell continuously, if they are hesitating yell once every 1-2 seconds

[last sparrow]

Even civilians will run and pick up weapons if you don't bag them

[karmic birch]

i beat it by clearly left side first then setting two guys at the trucks and side door and then pushing right and clearing the huts afterwards and containers and then going watchtower then going through the door all sneaky and then walking out to the main door and sneakily shooting a gun and then nearly dying to the guys at the escalade and old timey car twice everything else was slow and steady movements with my ai in front because i only had 20 rounds in my 5.7

[marsh lark]

Civilians will never grab weapons

[real frigate]

And the cultists.

[marsh lark]

Civilian is a civilian

There is a set amount and they cannot change sides

[vagrant zephyr]

Civilians are such a hassle

[last sparrow]

I've had an unarmed lady run and pick up a guys knife and proceed to stab me with it

[marsh lark]

Then she was an unarmed suspect

[vagrant zephyr]

I hate how you have to secure them all, even when all of the suspects are dead

[marsh lark]

Unarmed suspects also may spawn

[real frigate]

Ive seen that too.

[karmic birch]

i had a run in multiplayer where all ai were already surrendered it was the best

[last sparrow]

Didn't realize they do

[vagrant zephyr]

Yeah some suspects just don’t have weapons on them when they spawn

[karmic birch]

i somehow did that one first try straight miracle

[real frigate]

It's the most realistic,you don't want someone who you thought you killed ain't actually dead and somehow they have a weapon and now you're fucked.

[vagrant zephyr]

I understand that, but what does it add to the gameplay

[real frigate]

Realism my friend.

[last sparrow]

I hate when people cuff dead suspects

Like yeah if they're unconscious cuff them, but why you cuffing a body bro 😂

[vagrant zephyr]

Then I’ll just continue shooting the first civilian I see so that I can end the mission once the suspects are dead

[unborn echo]

im pretty sure its an actual thing with real life police too

[real frigate]

Just in case. Play it safe than sorry. Might be annoying but it's the safest for your team. Happens IRL, trust me.

[supple lion]

it is for the realisim. at the end of the day secure and move

[unborn echo]

you dont

[last sparrow]

That's not what we're taught

[unborn echo]

are you from the us?

[karmic birch]

ive seen plenty police videos of obvious dead guys getting cuffed

[last sparrow]

But we have a long way to go in LEO training

[vagrant zephyr]

You do… you can’t end the mission until all civilians are secured, unless you killed one

[last sparrow]

Thailand

[supple lion]

100% agree

[unborn echo]

i thought you meant suspects

[last sparrow]

I was told I'm even going to have to buy my own gun 😭

[vagrant zephyr]

LIVE ON LOS SUENO NEWS: SWAT TEAM “fucks off” AFTER KILLING 7 TERRORISTS

[real frigate]

One thing I hate is how you get told you've brought order to chaos. Like yeah it's nice to know I can relax but then it's just boring as hell searching for that one civ who keeps running floor to floor.

[unborn echo]

shoutout to los suenos, gotta be my favorite gender

[vagrant zephyr]

I wish they stuck with the trailer idea, having NPCs search for civilians for you would’ve been so nice

[real frigate]

Specially on the hospital map with this... ticks me off something fierce

[vagrant zephyr]

Like have em show up once the suspects are dead

[last sparrow]

The forensics in me cringes that we bag up the weapons

Is that also just how things are done in the US? Officers can bag up evidence on the scene?

[real frigate]

Until everyone's secured you don't know who's who. Worst thing you wanna do is send an emt into an area "that's clear" and a random unsub shows up and pop goes the emt

[real frigate]

Absolutely not. Weapons are unloaded and made safe, not tossed in an evidence bag...

[vagrant zephyr]

I’m talking moreso gameplay. It would definitely cut on the wasted time if I could move on to the next mission already

Realism is great, but I always value gameplay above it

[unborn echo]

thats actually forensics job

[real frigate]

That's where we disagree then.

[unborn echo]

swat officers dont do that, in real life atleast

[vagrant zephyr]

Yeah, you have a valid point with realism as well. Don’t want… whatever happened to COD.

[last sparrow]

I know detectives who would beat the crap out of an officer for touching evidence, because here if the evidence is tampered with in any way it is not eligible for use in court

[real frigate]

They will unload and clear the weapon... not toss into evidence bags though.

[unborn echo]

its a game either way real life swat isnt gonna defuse any bomb on the spot

[real frigate]

In an active shooter or mass suspect situation, you have to unload and make any suspect weapon safe. Because who's to say an unsub won't find the loaded weapon later and then kill someone with it.

[real frigate]

Well no shit but that's just RoN for ya

[latent crescent]

but judge is super sigma so he can disarm bombs without fail

he laughs at the sight of an EOD

[unborn echo]

truth nuke

[last sparrow]

I do wish the bomb diffusal was a mini game

[vagrant zephyr]

Bombs just defuse themselves under Judge’s icy stare

[real frigate]

Real.

[latent crescent]

judge just cuts random wires and hopes for the best

[last sparrow]

Real

[real frigate]

Ive seen so many officers quit but judge... man has been shot at, near killed and never even so much as wanted a pep talk.

[latent crescent]

he puts MARSOC to shame

[real frigate]

Don't talk bad bout my boys in MARSOC.

I'm a marine, but I ain't a MARSOC marine.. them mofuckers are built different.

[last sparrow]

Unless they were gloved we still couldn't use that here 😭 I don't know any tactical response officers but I'm sure they don't carry sterile gloves with them

[real frigate]

Well no but womp womp officer safety over evidence any day of the week

[last sparrow]

Yeah no objections to that here, just saying we can't use anything they touch

So seeing them bagging stuff in game gives me major cringe factor

[real frigate]

Oh I'm not saying we pick their rifle and turn it on them! But you best believe that gun is unloaded.

[real frigate]

Agreed, needs reworking. I get the concept but poor execution

[last sparrow]

I'm thinking more of bolt action rifles too though, it's quite hard to get magazine fed rifles here

[last sparrow]

Yeah but again focus really isn't on police simulation in the game

Just solely on tactical response

[real frigate]

America... far too easy. Okay lets get on THAT topic... where the FUCK are these unsubs getting their rifles from???

[unborn echo]

funded by local ganggoons

[real frigate]

Yeah but they've got military rifles half the damn time...

[last sparrow]

In a few of the missions we bust arms deals

[unborn echo]

other half are private security and ex-military

[real frigate]

Seriously

Like they have to be.

[last sparrow]

Plus I can imagine the AKs are easy to get ahold of on the black market

That's one of our biggest black market rifles too

[real frigate]

Even elephant they got some fancy ass shit tho.

Like where is a college kid gonna go and buy a fkin M4A1

[last sparrow]

I want to know where they're getting P90s

[real frigate]

Genuinely

[unborn echo]

they've got better armor than 90% of other suspects too

[real frigate]

Seriously...

[last sparrow]

Tbf that could be a stand in for an AR-15

[real frigate]

Them kids do NOT go down easy... of course I just give them a 556 facial bc yes but still goddamn

[last sparrow]

Which is one of the most popular rifles in the US

[real frigate]

True... but I've bagged and tagged literal M4s...

Someone's gotta have a military connection

[last sparrow]

Can't people get literal tanks in the US ...

[real frigate]

Uhhh not as far as I'm aware 😭 Were not THAT crazy guys...

[unborn echo]

retired military ships too if you feel like it

[unborn echo]

there are literal videos on youtube of a random guy with his tank

[last sparrow]

Hello US Navy

1 amphibious landing dock please

[real frigate]

I mean I suppose if you do all the paperwork and get all the right money in place sure but you sure as hell ain't being given ammo to it

[unborn echo]

of course you arent getting a tank still in service

[real frigate]

My gf is literally on an FBI watch list bc the Army taught her how to make C4...

[last sparrow]

I made thermite in high school once

It was fun

[real frigate]

LMAO get me an F35 while you're at it

F35C to be exact... I ain't landing on no carrier.

(Also the USMC variant so I'm biased)

[unborn echo]

why are there so many military branches in the us

[last sparrow]

I don't think we have any fifth gen fighters yet

[real frigate]

We each do different stuff.

[last sparrow]

Yeah our best fighters are 4.5 generation

[last sparrow]

US really doesn't have that many branches it's rational amount

[unborn echo]

im thinking of navy and Marine Corps, cant they just hug it out and merge into one or something?

[real frigate]

Marines: America's 911 force, can be anywhere in 24 hours tops.
Army: Cleans up the Marines mess and holds whatever we just took.
Navy: Self explanatory
Air force: Self explanatory
Coast guard: Mostly merchant maritime force, can turn into a war force if needed
Space Force: No fuckin clue, we all make fun of them

[real frigate]

Funny you mention, the Marine Corps is under the Department of the Navy. What started as a small detachment was turned into a major force and is what you see today.

[last sparrow]

You want to talk about alot of branches, look at the PLA 😭 they got like 9 branches not counting corps

[real frigate]

Yall wanna know the weirdest fact about the US military

[last sparrow]

^ this in most countries a separate branch for Marines doesn't exist because Marines are usually considered naval infantry

[last sparrow]

You guys spend 90 million dollars a year on coffee cups

[real frigate]

We're a separate branch, but we work with the navy a ton. Our docs are navy corps men. Marine quite literally stands for (jokingly) My Ass Rides In Navy Equipment.

[real frigate]

Lmao I can't even imagine that cost...

[last sparrow]

Yeah our navy and marines are based off of yours

[real frigate]

Based on the best. I miss my Corps days

[last sparrow]

In fact I believe the USMC trains our Marines

[real frigate]

We probably do 😂 we train a lot of people

[last sparrow]

Yeah we are considered your strongest partner in south east asia and were given Major Non NATO Ally status like Korea and Japan

[real frigate]

Where you from again?

[last sparrow]

Thailand

[real frigate]

Yep. Hell my buddy is stationed over there.

[last sparrow]

We get made fun of for it though because we manage good relations with both you and China

[real frigate]

Never heard a single marine come from Thailand and complain about their deployment tho.

[last sparrow]

Not so much India at the moment though

[last sparrow]

Depending on where the base is yeah there is Alot to do here

Ah no bases but you do have a advisory group on one of our bases in Bangkok

[real frigate]

My buddy is stationed over there as an ATC so idk. Never went myself though.

[last sparrow]

Yeah he would have been here under the enduring partners program at Korat RTAFB

[thorn egret]

DLC3... TOMORROW!

[bronze crypt]

stop bullying new people

[marsh lark]

There is no DLC tomorrow.

[marsh lark]

Please stop trolling everyone.

You have done this twice this month, and while it is not rocket science to figure out whether or not that statement is true, you are still trolling others.

[thorn egret]

Medojed doesn't know .

Deltarune tomorrow
Silksong tomorrow
DLC3 tomorrow ❤️

[thorn egret]

I'm pumped

[indigo heath]

Guys how do you get a ski mask/bacalava

[marsh lark]

mods

[indigo heath]

Awh

[wraith gale]

or, if you play solo multiplayer, you can get one by changing characters

[indigo heath]

When I switch modes do I lose my progress with like my guns and accessories and missions

Nvm

[hollow cove]

The developers should release an update that allows you to lower the volume of NPC voices so that teammates can be heard better in VOIP chat.

[thorn egret]

In non-singleplayer (not playing as judge) you can use the echo characters

Bottom 3, they all have balaclavas

[unborn echo]

7? six seven?

[indigo heath]

Is there a FMJ ammo type?

[torpid onyx]

no

[unborn echo]

why would you want fmj when ap and jhp is available 24/7

[marsh lark]

.300BLK

[lost inlet]

[torpid onyx]

FMJ and 300blk are two differant things

[marsh lark]

.300BLK's AP is called FMJ

I am judging this off by Ballistic's weapon mods, yet he only uses custom attachments which to my knowledge do not change ammo types

He is using ammo types inside the game.

[torpid onyx]

well it's either AP or FMJ it can't be both

[marsh lark]

I said equivalent.

I can load up and check ARN180

or the PDW

[torpid onyx]

I cannot see the word equivilent in your previous statements

[marsh lark]

Fair point, nevertheless "300BLK's AP is called FMJ"

[torpid onyx]

ignoring that "AP" and "FMJ" are two differant things

[indigo heath]

How do I change it to that

[torpid onyx]

there isn't an actual soft core FMJ bullet varient in game, you have AP and JHP as you can see when you are allocating your magazines for your guns

[indigo heath]

Ah

[marsh lark]

.300BLK has different ammo names.

[torpid onyx]

you could say that "AP is FMJ" because "AP has a metal jacket" but it would be more accurate to distinguish AP (hardened core like steel) as its own thing compared to soft core (lead) FMJ

[marsh lark]

.300BLK has FMJ instead of AP

and OTM instead of JHP

If you want the statistics of the individual ammo types, then here is the sheet for it: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit?gid=700315143#gid=700315143

[jolly verge]

This is from GF mod

[marsh lark]

oh really?

[jolly verge]

Yeap

Also

[marsh lark]

Honestly I would not have known, I have never deleted gunfighter in my life ever since I installed it

it is a good year at least since I played without mods

[torpid onyx]

this doesn't actually mean anything if the Devs then also proceed to call it AP in the inggame equipment selection menu

it just means the Devs didn't communicate with each other well (not surprising from void)

[jolly verge]

They replace FMJ to AP because people do not know the difference between FMJ and JHP

[torpid onyx]

[jolly verge]

It's still called as FMJ in ammo data table

[torpid onyx]

so that's where the Devs draw the line on bastardising certain parts of the game to make it more palatable to the uninformed (people who don't know what hollow point and FMJ means)

but then they'll still go and use the term CS gas instead of tear gas because that's where they then draw the line on using "correct" terminology in that instance instead of a term more palatable to the uninformed

[thorn egret]

Junior mods murder this user

[marsh lark]

There is no jmod except me brutha

[torpid onyx]

so are you gonna murder that user, junior mods

[marsh lark]

no

[torpid onyx]

disappointing

[marsh lark]

https://tenor.com/view/ready-or-not-gif-12606389735899844757

instead this will happen

[torpid onyx]

Mr pp

[floral gorge]

need you to slide over.

[indigo heath]

Isn't he the one that has like alot and alot of Cheese Pizza on his computer or im I just dumb

[torpid onyx]

[marsh lark]

It is from the very first RoN mission

[indigo heath]

Ah

Im just doing dorms right now any tips?

[marsh lark]

I am not the S tier type of guy

[indigo heath]

I never prioritise life i just kill anything with a weapon

[marsh lark]

Well, there are lots of drug adicts, so they are more keen on surrendering and wielding shit weapons

[indigo heath]

Ah well I am gonna keep shooting them in the head anyways the more dead the more drug addicts off the streets

[solemn patio]

Me when the civvie bashes a door and I shoot them 30 times:

HE WAS SUSPECT SHAPED ALRIGHT

[torpid onyx]

what my teamate attempts to say after mag dumping a teenage girl

[solemn patio]

I doubletapped the hvt on relapse 😭😭

It was funny as hell

[frosty hound]

help i pumpkin

[unborn echo]

pumpkin?

[solemn patio]

Backup irons attachment when tbh

[unborn echo]

i just logged in and saw the officers in the menu with pumpkin head

[last sparrow]

I'm going to use that

[solemn patio]

[solemn patio]

[wraith gale]

why doesnt mine have that : (

[unborn echo]

poopyhead

[wraith gale]

buttface

[balmy nymph]

why even without penalizations i get a B ?

even when i got all the soft objetives

no officers lost, no team dmg or anything like that

[pliant frost]

killed suspects

[balmy nymph]

on hide an seek

[balmy nymph]

i mean ye, but i usullay get an A even with some killed

[pliant frost]

You get 5 points for dead suspect and 35 for alive

[balmy nymph]

ohhhh maybe i killed too many

[pliant frost]

If you killed like 10 - that's the answer

[balmy nymph]

for sure i killed that, ye

that mission has enemies evrywhere xD

it was pretty fun i must say

i guess i have to go with the orange shotty

sad

i aim for A on all missions and i'm happy

then i can put the game on hard and just shoot everybody

like a maniac

[severe shell]

i love it when i restrain the 1000th suspect on greased palms and theres still no bring order to chaos pop up

[pliant frost]

Imo this map is a painful hell only on hard

On standard pretty OK

Just need well tactic

[balmy nymph]

who plays with tactics

ew

just pew pew people when they aim at u

simple

sometimes they kinda turn insanely fast or raise their guns fast, but that's a little thing devs will fix slowly like they did

like first day launch. Bots were so scary, you had to spam flash everywhere 'cause if they saw u, you ded hahahahah

[severe shell]

still the hardest mission after 3 letter triad imo

[spare depot]

I like how hard mode makes a single pistol bullet make you bleed while they can tank 7 pistol bullets

[severe shell]

no suspect is still laughing after my full auto sa58

[mighty hemlock]

Get real

So true

[spare depot]

Gonna be honest, i tried it so many times, but i was forced to switch to 5.56 for better control in full auto

[pliant frost]

i love my LKM making suspects lose their limbs

[severe shell]

yeah real the accuracy on the sa58 is bad

[languid creek]

SR16 gang

[heavy oyster]

Is anyone having issues on console playing multiplayer?

[chrome sun]

Playing multiplayer? No. Hosting lobbies? Sometimes.
It’s temperamental about who is allowed to host and when

Once everyone is in the lobby, it’s fine

[heavy oyster]

OK well my friend tries to join us and every time he joins he gets kicked out the game completely

[hollow torrent]

anyone know why like even with good wifi i still timeout any time i try to play multiplayer

and like loading screens take forever

[chrome sun]

Kicked out? Or, can’t join the lobby

[chrome sun]

Cus garbage hosting system tbh

[heavy oyster]

It says he joins, and then his game crashes

[chrome sun]

He play on PC?

[hollow torrent]

they need to fix the hosting system

[chrome sun]

That’d be cool, yes
Makes 0 sense why player C has to host instead of player A to make a match work.
It’s a cross platform caused issue for sure IMO lol

[idle zinc]

What the next update/ dlc will be.

[marsh lark]

The connection is p2p

[chrome sun]

It is. But it’s not consistent

[marsh lark]

In my experience it is consitent. Problem is that some people just run into issues, but I would say the majority is working fine.

[chrome sun]

Something about the game I think causes an issue
Sometimes everyone can connect fine and sometimes people can’t

Do you play with all platforms?
Or primarily PC

Because same platform lobbies typically have less issues IMO, in joining

[marsh lark]

Primarily PC

[chrome sun]

Yeah. I figured

Also can we add reactions to #🎬ron-clips-and-media , if we can’t comment on people’s clips there