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[indigo echo]

@torpid onyx lol I hopped in a match for west America lobby

210ms

[unkempt granite]

on standard how many dudes are there with bomb vest? i just shot one

[indigo echo]

Makes me wonder if its not actually me, but everyone I pair with, just has really potato internet connections

[spare sigil]

Like 5

[torpid onyx]

there's only like two "self blow up guys" (can't say the actual word)

the civies for the most part don't matter just don't shoot the civies

[spare sigil]

Really?

[torpid onyx]

iirc

I did a neon run like yesterday

there's usually one in either of the hallways near the beginning of the mission plus I think sometimes one upstairs

it might even only be one guy on standard I might be misremembering

it's no more then 2 (on standard) though
(and I mean the actual hostile bombers that run at you and blow up not considering civilians)

also btw @unkempt granite DO NOT negotiate with a bomber in kaboom range

[unkempt granite]

what even is kaboom range

[torpid onyx]

big

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/911648868565921824/1430027230465228860/cd966adc-0c85-47df-b6bb-c6a3f4f9b51c.mp4?ex=68f84824&is=68f6f6a4&hm=215f8c79539663b4b48b130a7c25b91e457df908f9d3484f2d57d487645d637f&

do not be the guy at the front of the stack saying "get down slowly" in the face of a bomber or this might happen

[unkempt granite]

do i just stun/tase them?

and then yell?

[torpid onyx]

if you can hard stun them sure

but you are unlikely to get in tase range before they might press the switch

if you're not going for S rank and or playing command though don't bother engaging less lethally

[gloomy thistle]

How is the swat ai currently? haven't played since may

[toxic harness]

Even worse

[thin quartz]

Hi I am having issues with one of the bomb vest civilians in Neon Tomb, I have tazed her like five times and she still won't let me restrain her

ok I figured it out, she was by a door so I used c2 on the door to incapacitate her which let me arrest her

[chilly thorn]

Qadamah should have a detonator for the civvies bomb vest to make them go off

I think That would be pretty funny

[digital bobcat]

wouldn't the c2 set off the bomb? that makes no sense 😭

[thin quartz]

are the AI really bad at handling hostage situations? I go to arrest a guy then I hear full auto gunfire and see -200 Killed a Civilian +500 Bring Order to Chaos

[torpid onyx]

yuh

[thin quartz]

well I guess it is very unfortunate that my AI ran into that guy first

[zinc violet]

Just curious does steel armor protect any stronger ceramic?

[torpid onyx]

ceramic mitigates 100% of damage but will eventually break after like 5/6 shots maybe more from a pistol caliber, steel plates last forever and mitigate 70% of damage

steel also makes your acceleration a tiny bit slower but your max move speed remains unchanged

[narrow geode]

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[unborn echo]

86.5% of dmg cuz they buffed steel

[zinc violet]

Cool thanks

[quasi coral]

A lot of bugs with clearing, stacking, and general performance is still not the best, they stare at walls and sometimes even do commands on their own bla bla bla

[strange thorn]

What exactly is Mariposa Lilly?

And why is judge Captain America?

[quasi coral]

Cus judge the justice system like the usia the fisa greased up palms and judge court the usia the thank you come again twisted nerves the hidhe and seek

[strange thorn]

So the USIA is using MK Ultra to make super soldiers like judge? Ok thank you.

Great explanation, really in depth there

[unborn echo]

narcos

[strange thorn]

Who’s Ron and why are we discussing him?

Is he stupid?

[unborn echo]

or

[strange thorn]

that’s what I’m saying

[quasi coral]

To be real, the USIA experiments is probably like a zombie soldier typa thing

Woah, it'd feel call of duty but, maybe an option to bring an extra plate if you're using ceramic would be cool

Although it'd make most of the other plates completely useless in that matter

[strange thorn]

Did a crazy deep dive on all that yesterday, you wouldn’t think a game like this would have any depth in lore, let alone the amount of depth it does.

[fickle idol]

Hospital is honestly such a shit level.

It's layout is confusing I can't figure out where I'm meant to go. And suspects and civies seem really interested in not keeping themselves known for some reason.

Mind you I beat it.

Basic navigation shouldn't be such a challenge

[quasi coral]

I think that's the whole point lol

Unless you're playing hard mode, the mission itself is easy though it stretches out LONG and the layout is confusing

Which is what makes it hard

But I do agree it is HELLA annoying.

[strange thorn]

Only problem I really had with hospital was finding citizens I hadn’t restrained at the very end and securing pieces of evidence I missed.

[quasi coral]

Watched all the "Shayne, shut up" videos, the lore and theorys outta this game is insanely massive

[quasi coral]

On cod bru

[strange thorn]

Lmao

my bad folks

[strange thorn]

Watched Wendigoons vid which used a lot of Shayne’s videos as sources, mind was blown at the end

[quasi coral]

Crazy right? When I found out Judge was an experiment it sounded pretty crazy to me

[fickle idol]

Being bad on purpose doesn't make something good.

Furthermore securing civies being required when you already dealt with the suspects is nonsense

[narrow geode]

Its not that confusing
Port is worse
When I first played on that mission
I had to use a diagram map to understand where I was
The only mission where I had to do that

[fickle idol]

Only confusing map I give a pass to is the underground tunnels from the cartel.

It feels more clostrophobic but still puts you in a sharper path.

[strange thorn]

I knew smth was up after looking around Gerard Scott’s cabin in lethal obsession, had to deep dive.

[fickle idol]

In a word.

Hospital is messy and disorganised. Far too much.

And I don't really remember port.

[strange thorn]

Why do you

Talk like,

This?

[narrow geode]

Better than a paragraph

[fickle idol]

Bingo

Its more clear for mobile too.

[quasi coral]

Personally it's more challenging than bad

Then again it is simply from my perspective, I actually find missions like Port Hokan so much more confusing

Same goes for Mirage

[fickle idol]

When basic navigation is a struggle and the ai are being really weak in this one. It's not quite a challenge

[quasi coral]

Like, here, the AI is bad, but with how big and stretched out the map is, you might be too injured by the near end, and now they're a threat

Furthermore if you play TOO safe, you might drag out the time too long

This is just my opinion, that map could really use more simplifying though

[fair escarp]

ORRR... yea

[unborn echo]

@jolly verge sorry for ping but do ai swat get unlimited ammo with only 1 ammo slot for m32 and TRPL

[jolly verge]

They should as long as they have at least 1 ammo slot assigned

[torpid onyx]

why does ai get infinite trpl ammo

[fickle idol]

I'm not a dragger. At all.

[unborn echo]

cuz why not

[flint lion]

Anyone else having an issue with floating Ammo casings?

[late prism]

I saw that once yeah

[flint lion]

It’s happening every mission for me

[latent crescent]

we need the MDR and Deagle in this game

[torpid onyx]

it's been a persistent issue for weeks

[flint lion]

Sounds about right

[teal gulch]

is there any mod that allow you to change your character in Free play mode, without multiplayer?

[torpid onyx]

also on console too if you ever open up the Xbox/PS quick menu or tab out of the game into something else when you go back into the game freezes and or crashes (every time)

and this has persisted since the release of ronsole

[torpid onyx]

Ive never seen this issue present on consoles before too exept for on RON

[near tide]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1144200/view/517473296253453455?l=english what is this what did i miss?

who did something and what did they do

i mean he was a pretty bad guy

like what exactly though

was it fully endorsing what happened

kaminsky was one of the nicest people here

[wraith gale]

dms

[torpid onyx]

Amos voll just told me to get on my knees instead

[unborn echo]

john helldiver

[wraith gale]

mr pp

[torpid onyx]

freak

[torpid onyx]

also one of the teenagers told me to touch grass

[rustic lotus]

Is there a mod that lets u change ur character in single player commander mode?

[unborn echo]

does steel affect swat ai acceleration?

[jolly verge]

Nope

They also always match players speed

[wet roost]

hey i got a little problem

when i want to start the narcos mission

the game keeps crashing

anyone has the same problem?

or knows how to help

i cant progress the campaign

bruh

[solemn patio]

The moment I had a good run, I fucking died.

Wait no

Right nvm

It was a crash

[unborn echo]

are you modded

[eager haven]

Is it normal for a level to have almost 50 suspects-

[jolly verge]

Yes, with mods

[unborn echo]

i know what kind of person you are

[eager haven]

I don't have any mods.

[eager haven]

?

[jolly verge]

Single player?

[eager haven]

Yes.

[jolly verge]

☝️

[eager haven]

Huh.

The only mod I have that can affect gameplay is when I had the "No Stress" or something of that name.

Just reduces stress overall for ally AIs.

And makes therapy faster if I remember correctly.

[unborn echo]

sure ashley graves

[jolly verge]

Like I said, you have a mod for increased suspects on mission, remove it

[bold sky]

dont remove it honestly and just enjoy the fun like that

helps you become insane at aim placement in this game real quick if you are constantly gunfighting and know all the spawns and angles

[latent crescent]

its too much, but heat difficulty on strategoai is amazing

[jagged quartz]

Never too much people to kill

[latent crescent]

runs out of ammo “oh shi-“

[jagged quartz]

That's why there's a bash button. Works 100% of the time 10% of the time

[latent crescent]

ur gonna get shot before u even see them gng

[torpid onyx]

i take an mp5 and 4 mags if I find more then like 10 guys in gonna be outa ammo

[jagged quartz]

Nah not me. I'm sneaky like

[torpid onyx]

I wish I could play as a violently British accented person too but unfortunately I just have the SAS gas mask and an mp5

[jagged quartz]

Being English i find that quite easy to do

[torpid onyx]

the Devs need to adjust the mp5a3/SD irons sights too, the mp5a2 ones are good but the a3 and SD look horrible

[random mauve]

Go full SAS and just use the light.

[torpid onyx]

(photos comparing them in #🎬ron-clips-and-media)

[latent crescent]

sas arent poor bro

the iranian embassy loadout is from the 1980’s that shit is outdated

[noble pasture]

#announcements message
What's this about?

I am unaware, if you have to DM me to not talk here sure

[jolly verge]

Kaminsky has been resigned

[noble pasture]

Ohhhh okay

Also hi Aspid

I redownloaded Ron and Swat AI is already making me sigh in defeat

An officer overpenetrated a hallway and got killed

And another left on his own to find suspects ignoring orders

Try to solo maps or try multi-player?

Swat AI is doodoo

[jolly verge]

Swat ai has been broken even more with LSS update

So yeah, solo or with some real dudes

[noble pasture]

So leave them at the door?

Hmm

[torpid onyx]

they can sometimes work well if you're doing a very scripted action that doesn't require actually doing much like getting them to breach a basic room where all the enemies inside are flashed but in terms of dynamic movement/engagements it's rough and they can and will have all 4 of them get cleared by a single suspect because no one chose to shoot for no reason

and even then sometimes when you attempt to have them actions like picking up evidence/arresting someone/breaching/wedging they freeze up at the location they're meant to do the action and just don't do it or ignore you

[noble pasture]

I guess evidence clean up is a good one

[torpid onyx]

also sometimes if you ask them to throw a nade or launch a nade the nade will disappear into narnia and won't go off

also if you haven't played since ronsole happened, CS gas is now useless

[native rune]

CS is useless, ai teammates stand inside each other, multiple suspect lines overlap each other at once, and they continue to say stuff from unarrested lines after being cuffed.

[unborn echo]

aspid, is it better to have ai use shotgun or ram for breaching?

[jolly verge]

Ram < breach shotgun < c2

Tho ram effect radius on morale is larger by 2.5 meters compare to c2 and shotgun

[unborn echo]

but like, wont that make suspect ai stressed

[jolly verge]

Stress is irrelevant if you about to breach

They will hear or see you anyway

Lockpick is the only way to keep them in passive mode

[torpid onyx]

shotgun takes so long to breach with compared to ram the ram is like the fastest breach for AI by a mile

with c2 they flinch for a while before flashing and the shotgun requires they pop the lock then kick it then throw a flash but the ram is smack, throw and in and sometimes the delay with the shotgun/c2 is significant enough that the enemy ends up engaging your team and beginning to flee before your team can engage/flash the room

[unborn echo]

how far can they hear you breach?

im not talking about the morale loss radius but like how far can they hear you breaching the door generally

[jolly verge]

I'm not sure

[unborn echo]

aw

[jolly verge]

About 10m as well I guess

[shadow venture]

hey guys, when shooting the flash GL i get the dizziness effect (so my characther is moving up and down) even tho i have anti flash gogles, is this intentional? i think it didnt happen before.

[solemn patio]

509 irons are so sexy

[torpid onyx]

the devs also need to add an fn 510 and 545

plus a fully black 509 and fiveseven

[pliant frost]

Is there any difference between SFMB and ASR ?

Which is better

[latent crescent]

ur using stinger gl thats why

[jolly verge]

SFMB - 40% vertical recoil reduction
ASR - 30%

[pliant frost]

so sfmb reduces flash and has less recoil? Then asr makes sense!

[jolly verge]

Yeah, make sense to remove it from the game

[pliant frost]

good job void

[jolly verge]

Don't forget to set combat or angled grip that do nothing on rifles

[pliant frost]

before mods I used angled grip

Because... It looks better lol

[shadow venture]

how do i change that? i thought i was using flash

and i dont see any option to change it

[latent crescent]

loadout, long tactical, m320 flash

[shadow venture]

ty ill try

[unborn echo]

btw swat ai dont seem to have unlimited handgun ammo with just one slot, i've been messing around a bit and i noticed they only ever reload their primary infinitely with only one mag slot

yeah

after running out of their only handgun mag they wont reload it even if their primary are empty

[jolly verge]

Well I did not test their sidearms actually

[unborn echo]

[pliant frost]

This whole game is so shit and so good at the same time 🙏

[solemn patio]

510 when fr

[solemn patio]

Real..

[dim leaf]

what yall know about the pain of trying to S rank all missions on hardmode

[wet roost]

no

thats a fast response time aint it

[wet roost]

ey what tha hell is a bile titan doing here

i just finished a bug mission

hell naw not even safe on the internet

[solemn patio]

Nobody likes criminals, including the terminids

Okay in all actuality I was doing this in an attempt to make my friends dream of terminids

[wet roost]

i swear they gotta buff the killzone rifle its very good vs swarms

but lacks firepower

or just penetration

[wet roost]

lol ptsd on another level

[solemn patio]

I hate how arrowhead is obsessed with unfair enemies

I hate stalkers and dragonroaches

[wet roost]

i think just giving it a medium pen would be enough to make it viable

[solemn patio]

Oh yeah, stealth chargers.

[wet roost]

i wasnt on game for 2 weeks what tha hell you mean stealth chargers

[solemn patio]

Chargers that make no noise

IMAGINE IF CHARGERS HAD A PREDATOR VARIANT THAT COULD GO INVIS

[wet roost]

ohhh fortunetly not camo liek stalkers that would be teryfying

[solemn patio]

IMAGINE THO

[wet roost]

bro them chargers are moving like clockers from payday 2

[solemn patio]

Should we move to gen discussion?

[wet roost]

yep lets do it

[novel sphinx]

What's the amount of score points needed for neon tomb s rank?

Buddy of mine got 3210 with A+

[jolly verge]

100% of max score

A+ is 94-99% which means he missed something or have killed/incapacitated suspect/civilian

[novel sphinx]

no penalties are shown and everything is X/X

[jolly verge]

Like I said, killed or incapacitated suspect/civilian

There wont be any penalty

Look for secured score instead

If it is not divided by 35 - someone is killed/incapacitated

[novel sphinx]

495 for suspects and 315 for civs

[jolly verge]

You can't divide 495 by 35, which means suspect has been killed

Or suicide since it's neon tomb mission

[stray oar]

Yo is this a good loadout? Sr-16 5 ap mags no pistol mags light armor steel front/back 4 flashbangs 2 c2 and 2 wedges.

[willow solstice]

it's cool when my fhp 9mm round goes through a wall and FUCKING kills a civilian

[jolly verge]

It's fine

[bronze crypt]

Commander mode is such a pain in the fucking ass

Especially with AI that’s so smart it makes you want to recruit the meth heads from Twisted Nerve

I lost the only decent officer on my team because they opened the door, noticed an IED and walked through nonetheless

And because I failed to save two students during Elephant and killed Voss before that, the entire squad is now stressed (mind you I had only done A, A+ or S prior to that). I guess the M32+flash strat doesn’t work after all…

[wet roost]

bro that line is diabolical 🙏😭🕊️

[bronze crypt]

I swear to fucking god

[jolly verge]

Elephant is scripted to set officers stress at 0.5

[bronze crypt]

They drop faster than flies (I give them all heavy armour, brother those ceramic plates are PRISTINE, I tell you), whereas meth heads are biologically engineered to withstand anything below a 12.7 unless you want to simulate the volume of fire seen in fucking Fallujah

[jolly verge]

Give them steel instead and make sure you have 1 armorer

[wet roost]

thats why i carry a shotgun shoot to my guys direction once and no body part im aiming at

[half bluff]

Is it possible for the devs to add like a group code so we dont have to invite through epic or steam and force us to add people as friends

[bronze crypt]

I am stuck on Rust Belt

I think there’s someone left but I keep going in circles 😭 can someone deadass help me

[glass heart]

make sure you cuffed all the civilians in the ranch area

[bronze crypt]

I have rescued all of them

[glass heart]

after that, wedge doors off and make sure you dont leave any space behind your advance uncleared

[bronze crypt]

I think I’ve circled this place so many times already I can 3d scan it haha

I have no idea where the last ones are, genuinely

I’m like 99.9 percentage sure I covered the surface area (the two structures and the house)

FOUND HIM

But my team is suffering from PTSD, which is understandable

I threw (accidentally, I must add) a frag at a suspect

In hindsight bringing frags in such missions isn’t a good idea but at this point we’re getting stuck in details

[bronze crypt]

Changed it to steel, thank you for informing me of that

Shame you don’t have the option to run ceramic and kevlar inserts

Also fuck this game for not letting you cancel a grenade animation

[jolly verge]

You can, but there is no point since kevlar is just too bad

[toxic harness]

PRIVATE! THROW IT BACK!

NO YOU CRAYON EATER-

[toxic harness]

Would be funny to run Steel Front and Kevlar back

[solemn patio]

Sw model 500 when

Aw I cant manage human trafficking in the yk way

[bronze crypt]

in real life this is a viable option that is used in combat

[bronze crypt]

some used to do that, pretty sure the 75th, then they switched to ceramic and did that with the avs, using some special mbav inserts but then they quickly switched to the jpc

[toxic harness]

What would the jpc be if they changed the ceramic and avs

[bronze crypt]

maybe they didnt like the first iterations of the avs and when they had the chance to be issued the first gen JPC they found it to be better

i doubt they would need the load bearing capabilities of the AVS, and the SFLCS MSAP was fairly liked iirc so there was no point for that

[toxic harness]

What is the SFLCS Msap?

[bronze crypt]

but this is pure speculation

[bronze crypt]

its the eagle mbav

[toxic harness]

Zamn

[bronze crypt]

we are talking about the early 10s, maybe 15s, so you still had LBTs and the beginning of the AVS superiority (i think the CPC was there too for some reason)

[toxic harness]

What is the CAGE?

[bronze crypt]

Actually the CAGE was an IOTV project that failed, i think osprey took the contract, but at this point i dont know

[toxic harness]

We went from RoN Armor system to now learning about vest patterns and designs. Peak and would engage in this conversation

[bronze crypt]

another weird plate carrier

[toxic harness]

So what's the new vest and pattern now?

[bronze crypt]

made almost exclusively for load bearing i think

the CPC came after the AVS and is basically the bridge between the AVS and the JPC

[bronze crypt]

atm what most socom guys are using is probably ferro (?), the fcpc v5 (and maybe a v6, a new variant with a different front plate bag was teased)

at least thats what i have seen, CAG was seen this year few months ago in syria with kurdish CTG using a ferro concept v5 with the molle back panel and the other add-on they offer

[eager haven]

I mean 40+ suspects is a bit much-

Especially when every level has been less than 30, typically 4-15 on average.

[bronze crypt]

i am making a list for stuff/feautures that could go into ready or not, if somebody has any suggestions pls give them to me so i can note them down

[glass heart]

working LPVOs
ladders
killing the lights (a dark baked lighting preset activated by a switch on the map)
actual LAMs with IR, visible laser and whitelight at ONCE
limited sprinting
better weapon compression
better melee to induce compliance and be able to deal with knives better
recoil recovery increase for all rifles

[bronze crypt]

working LPVOs but like in tarkov before they updated them where you could only select between 1x and 6/8x or full implementation?

[toxic harness]

I wanna use my crowbar at druggies

[bronze crypt]

"actual LAMs with IR, visible laser and whitelight at ONCE" there is a mod i use that implements that but its a mod, nothing official

i did note down weapon compression already as that bothers me a lot, i hate that there is no actuall compression stance and only a weird low ready (that looks more like a normal stance) and no variation on high ready (also pretty much no anims for secondaries)

[glass heart]

full implementation

all of this stuff should have been in this game since 2021

[bronze crypt]

deadass

[glass heart]

also the weapon customization pretty objectively fucking sucks

how does operator, a 3 person team, blow this game out of the fucking water when it comes to that

[bronze crypt]

can i send you the list i already have and tell me if something should change?

[glass heart]

sure

[bronze crypt]

operator sucks ass imo but indeed it is so much better in terms of customization

[stoic thistle]

Something I noticed, the police station has posters for both Whitfield and a guy called Hawkins, showing that the police is trying to be impartial.

[bronze crypt]

its crazy cause there is no excuse to implement so little in so long

but console update hurr hurr

[bright iron]

I wish the game had a replay feature an official one

[bronze crypt]

It does

[bright iron]

On console

I wish there was a way to get mods on console

[thin quartz]

I feel like the P90 and MP7 are damn peashooters so I'm back to using rifles

[thin quartz]

does search and secure command just not work anymore

I tell my ai teammates to search and secure and they just stand there

[clear bison]

its a soft objective you gotta secure or issue it to them one by one

[thin quartz]

oh i see

[desert island]

do ppl still play hard mode

[unkempt granite]

if i go with 4 guys with intimidation skill do i get 4x the effect?

[clear bison]

yup

[clear bison]

yup

[unkempt granite]

is it the best squad skill for hard s rank?

[clear bison]

yeah and negotiator is really good aswell

[remote tartan]

Can someone help me? Im on twisted Nerve and I got all the civilians all of the evidence marked and I checked the map for a few hours and its all clear but it says "Restore order to chaos" What do I do?

[chilly thorn]

"Bring Order To Chaos" Basically just means apprehend every threat, this could anyone who has the potential to attack you.

[torpid onyx]

there are hiding spots in closets and under beds suspects can be in if you haven't checked your closets or under beds etc

but there's also a bug where sometimes when a suspect goes into a hiding spot they just disappear forever and softlock the mission

[chilly thorn]

Suspects can't hide anymore unless they are unarmed

its really stupid

[unborn echo]

im not on the internet 24/7

[frosty nimbus]

how much money did devs end up earning for releasing the game on consoles ?

[unborn echo]

alot

[lapis solar]

Yet the game still runs like ass

[torpid onyx]

the game also runs like ass on consoles in fidelity mode

its like an unstable 20fps that feels like a literal slideshow if you're shooting and it's impossible to control recoil

in perf mode it's like a stable 60 or so that's fine enough (series x)

[limpid crown]

It’s been years and you guys are still not adding more scopes to the game. Pretty ridiculous

[torpid onyx]

they haven't even made the LPVOs we already have be variable magnification yet 🥀

[chilly thorn]

on pc its pretty goo

[lapis solar]

It’s not even that, the hit register has been absolutely terrible since they made crossplay, people with a knife are still 100% more dangerous than those with guns and the lighting is just unbearably blinding, all the bots are John wicks despite being on a avengers level threat amount of drugs, I mean I might as well be on them if I could do what they could 😂😂 extremely flawed game on both ends of game system

[quasi coral]

I've noticed the AI performance has been drastically decreased

I don't know why, I just noticed they react slower, their pathfinding is a little mindless and their aim is a little questionable sometimes

[bold sky]

these complaints are literally contradicting lol

its just personal feeling

[torpid onyx]

I think one of them means the enemy ai and one of them means the swat team ai

because I know for sure the enemy ai hasn't gotten worse

[iron garden]

Icl imagine k9s I Ron would be a game changer

[urban mural]

Game is fine for me.

[torpid onyx]

you do NOT send k9s against armed threats ready to kill 🥀

[iron garden]

I mean idk about where u are but the British police amd military use k9s against armed threats

Amd most the time it works

And I've seen bodycam clips of it happening in America

And it could work as a bomb dog on elephant

It could add more features to the game such as IEDs and just general room clearing with a k9

[torpid onyx]

Ive also heard sigifcant amounts of stories of k9s getting shot or stabbed and killed because they were used against armed threats that were ready to kill

[iron garden]

Yh that is a side to it ik a lot of dog handlers who had there k9 killed in a war zone

[light cove]

Has anybody ever tried shooting the bomb on elephant?

[torpid onyx]

it probably blows up if bomb vests are anything to go by

[iron garden]

Yes it doesn't do anything

[torpid onyx]

booooorrrrinnnggg

[light cove]

damn 😭

[iron garden]

Yh is boring but I got a team that do stupid stuff so 🤷‍♂️🤣

[light cove]

It's called elephant for a reason

[iron garden]

Anyway what would you think about the k9 idea above

[light cove]

Would be fine

If the dog was player only

[iron garden]

I mean I've completed the game and just want something different 🤷

[light cove]

By player only I mean you or a friend plays as the dog

[light cove]

Play it as half life 2 CP

that's fun

[iron garden]

Ai that u control like the ai in command mode

[light cove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmwv9o6d2fE&t=714s

[iron garden]

Cant do that on xbox

Like I've played the game with no armour and all that fun stuff

[light cove]

well I guess there isn't very much too do on console

But I've tried doing missions with californian gun laws

[iron garden]

Same me and the team tried it a 3 am never again 🤣

Like dont get me wrong I love the game but just need something to shake it up

[light cove]

basically restricts you to the 1911, Mk. V or the .357 mag

[iron garden]

Yh it was fun but challenging

[light cove]

You can cheese it though

Laws allow you to have body armour, helmet whatever

Just you can't have anything that says police

So you gotta pick some wacky clothing options

You can also try australian open carry laws too

[iron garden]

Do they have open carry laws idk Australia allowed guns

[light cove]

You can carry a gun in certain public areas

Just need a license

[iron garden]

You can have a gun license in the uk just cant carry it

[light cove]

You can't carry it in like a town lol

But if you're in the bush with a legit reason

that's fine

It also depends on what license you have to which decides which gun you can use

[iron garden]

Only place you can carry here is on a approved range or hunting site i believe

[light cove]

If you got a H license you can basically use any handgun in the game

expect the m17 compact

They don't have the G17A which is a australian variant of the glock 17

but it's close enough to pass off as the real thing

There's not really anything which will work as a C class though

maybe some of the shot guns unless they're and A or B

The only D class is I think just the M14

D class is hard as fuck to get cause it's for semi-autos

[iron garden]

The closest thing to a gun i can use in the uk is a Airsoft rif

[light cove]

Airsoft is hella illegal here

If you have a airsoft gun they treat it as a real gun in court

you can't even get a license for the thing

[iron garden]

Thats crazy

[torpid onyx]

Australia does NOT have open carry

we don't even have concealed carry

guns don't exist in urban areas outside of gun ranges and in rural areas you can carry guns because you're on 20 acres of empty bushland with not a soul within 500km so who's gonna know

[light cove]

.......

You just dont get it do you

some people never do...

[light cove]

You need insane licensing for paintball stuff

[torpid onyx]

mfw you need a cat E license for a paintball gun

[light cove]

Alright buddy you can move on now

[torpid onyx]

goober

[iron garden]

Wait i swr there is a big airsoft content creator in Australia

And a massive site

[light cove]

Might be in like QLD or something

Nobody even lives there that's human anyway so it's ignorable

Doesn't even count as australia

[iron garden]

I mean that site gets more people then the site i go to

[torpid onyx]

Australian laws requires licensing the Airsoft gun as the same thing a deadly high power air rifle and is subject to essentially the same restrictions as a legitimate high power air rifle

[light cove]

Probably because it's the only one

[iron garden]

I think there's a few site

[light cove]

Anyways

You should try to do the australian open carry for ready or not

Riot shield

And your hands

[iron garden]

Bet it will go great

[light cove]

I mean

If you got like 5 dudes

[torpid onyx]

you can't even open carry a riot shield if you have the intent to harm 🥀

[light cove]

you might survive the first mission

[light cove]

alright buddy you've said your piece

[torpid onyx]

deadly weapon right there

[iron garden]

Just charging with riot shields

[light cove]

5 dudes charging with riot shields lmao

No body armour

you can wear a helmet though

[iron garden]

Prepare shields...... charge!!!!!

[light cove]

Straight out of fucking rome

I mean you can't actually probably do that to win the first level

you just gotta cheese some of the games mechanics

Because suspects surrounded after a certain morale number which is 1 usually

[torpid onyx]

nuhuh Kevlar (ballistic) helmets require another license and are restricted use

[light cove]

my god dude move on already

you can buy kevlar online without issues you don't need a license for it

[torpid onyx]

a ballistic helmet subject to body armour regulation

[light cove]

you done?

[torpid onyx]

are you

you're beefing because you made up imaginary regulations deemed as Australian regulations and it's arguably funnier concept that you arnt allowed anything even a riot shield or helmet and must go in with nothing

[iron garden]

Dam if one of u got something wrong just admit it and move on

[bronze crypt]

if i am not mistaken aussie laws wont let you use gelsoft either

[torpid onyx]

gel blasters are also heavily illegal yeah

which they don't even have the opporunity cause any harm

[bronze crypt]

well that sucks

also i am trying to make a mega list of features/things that should be in ron so if anyone has any suggestions write them

[iron garden]

K9s in my opinion

And the SA80 rifle

[deep sentinel]

Anyone having server issues?

[iron garden]

Yeah all the last 2 months

[deep sentinel]

I think all the servers just went out

[torpid onyx]

that would be an epic games issue as this game is P2P and it uses epic games for crossplay accounts

[deep sentinel]

Yeah it's definitely an epic problem

[wanton jungle]

m16s...

[bronze crypt]

What about mechanics or features

[torpid onyx]

let me throw grenades around a corner without needing to peak my whole body/freelean

and or give me an underarm throw/roll option for nades

and allow me to kick doors without having to rambo it and getting shot in the face in the process

also make the LPVOs actually be adjustable magnification

[digital bobcat]

let us use tazer with shield because it just makes sense

[tacit gull]

you already can

[torpid onyx]

you could before but they patched it out

[digital bobcat]

why

wdym patched

that is not a bug

[jolly verge]

They move taser from secondary to tactical device

[red kayak]

where big d

[steel fulcrum]

What the hell? NPCs just ignore everything and kill civilians as soon as they see me. Gas, flashbangs, and stingers don't work. Bots and teammates are completely useless, so it's smarter to leave them at spawn.

[tacit gull]

Yes

[wind gyro]

perchance

[tacit gull]

Mayhaps

[wind gyro]

you cant just say mayhaps

[tacit gull]

i just did

[wind gyro]

reported

[steel fulcrum]

ok, very constructive

[unborn echo]

they should add an option to unequip primary/secondary entirely ngl

[unborn echo]

big E!

[red kayak]

Haii

[unborn echo]

my internet is so bad rn your sticker isnt even loading

[bronze crypt]

My AI squadmate flashed a suspect 3 times with the M32 only to be 180 headshotted by him

Rest in peace 🥀✌️

[torpid onyx]

hard experience

[red kayak]

Lollll

[torpid onyx]

also I wish on the mp7 the Devs would just let us put the RMR/SRO on without the riser like they're tall enough that they clear the pistol optics without issues and it's not like you can put big bulky top rail attachments that actually get in the way

I hate the aesthetic of risers especially for smth like an rmr or sro

[bold sky]

well at least you are only complaining about vanity we used to have optics not aligning properly too as if our officers are just random beer bearded belly buying guns and not even bolting down their optics properly

amen to laser sight actually aligning somewhat properly too so i dont have to teach friends canted spray pattern

[rotund cypress]

Also the aimpoint needs to be on way more guns

No clue why is only on half of the SMGs and nothing else

[short cargo]

I would love for the sro to be on more than one or 2 rifles

I can't stand the riser on the ga51 , takes up too much screen, and I don't like the g36 very much

[torpid onyx]

i wish that the g36 accepted more optics then just the RMR/SRO/t2

[uncut widget]

Why does everyone say number name of the weapon instead of just calling a weapon how it looks like? Makes me feel like I am special one

[toxic harness]

I hate when they call the Scar (MK17) like my god CALL IT A SCAR. ITS A SCAR

ITS A GLOCK! THAT IS BENEALI M4

[uncut widget]

That’s just Ak or KALASH

Why add 47 bald agent in name brand?

[uncut widget]

You beat the game for S on hard???

[toxic harness]

Ye- wait hold on

[unborn echo]

whats with this random gif in a police sim server

[unborn echo]

2 gazillion years

[rotund cypress]

Maybe…

I hold out hope it’s a shorter time frame though

[unborn echo]

2 billion years

[rotund cypress]

2 months tops

[unborn echo]

never

[rotund cypress]

Trust

You need to be hopeful

[unborn echo]

my hope died ever since i first got the game

im waiting for a better swat sim to release

[rotund cypress]

Trust me we just haven’t heard anything because they’re trying to get a new CM

[unborn echo]

every time i log onto ron it makes me feel a little bit more like void conned us

[rotund cypress]

Just trust the process bro

[rotund cypress]

One more update and the game will be a truly great swat successor

God I feel like that potential man image

“If and when but never is”

[unborn echo]

atleast megumi achieved SOME feat

void got none

[rotund cypress]

I’m holding out hope that the silence is because they’re working on a huge update

[bold sky]

this game is not going to be a swat 4 successor

i think thats fine too

[unborn echo]

there is no major update

[bold sky]

swat 4 was a goofy as hell game that i play to just mindlessly have fun

what major update do you want them to do at this point? just add a crap ton of guns and maps over and over?

[rotund cypress]

Don’t say that :_(

[bold sky]

thats about the only update they can keep doing now for content

[rotund cypress]

Ai and bug fixes, mainly

[bold sky]

optimization wise sure more can be done but honestly rn is still playable

[unborn echo]

i feel like after update 1.0 t they stopped trying entirely

[bold sky]

"bug fixes" need to be specific

[unborn echo]

10 gazillion bugs, and 0 fixes

[bold sky]

ai in this game has gone a long way its more than acceptable now

[unborn echo]

always if and when but never is

[bold sky]

again screaming at them to do bug fixes while honestly i have no clue what these tons of bugs people talking about are ngl

quite sure most of them are trivial as hell

[bold sky]

like every time you ask someone what bugs are part of these crap load of bugs they mention people go silent instantly to google something

[rotund cypress]

I have watched suspects accurately shoot at me and my teammates through walls post LSS

[bold sky]

the only bug i can think of in this game that they can prolly still sell it off as a feature is laser sight on canted w acog is still misaligned to the right

[unborn echo]

if you played the game for more than 1 hour you can physically feel all the bugs and overall how unfinished the game feel, granted its not a bad game, but its not a good one either

[bold sky]

???????????????????????????????????

ok seriously this game has a replay system

"if you played the game for more than an hour" - i have 1k hour

played since we have the pvp garbage mess too

[unborn echo]

and i have 334 hours on the game, which, aint gonna change anything aside from the fact that its actually filled with bugs

[bold sky]

you literally still cant list one of them

[unborn echo]

sure

[bold sky]

i just at least say even if i dont think theres any i know canted sight laser misalign on acog

if your bug is they shoot at me and my teammates thru a wall without replay thats not a bug

[rotund cypress]

Oh of course, that’s intentional

My mistake

[bold sky]

you really need to watch replay if you want to see what happen in a wallbanging situation

this game has an actual okayish replay system unlike valorant

not as good as csgo obviously but its plenty servicable to check what actually happened

[unborn echo]

suspect can see you through wall
suspect can spot you 340 degree
suspect can shoot before even looking at you, civ not going to you properly after "neutralize all suspect"
civ sometimes still not being arrested when you tell them to go to the exit
the 2 red dot sight on ga51 are misaligned
arwc recoil's potentially bugged considering how different it is compared to the others when your arms are injured
swat ai refusing to do your command
swat ai sometimes going random places without your command
swat ai generally being dumb as hell

[bold sky]

kekw

so its not bug like i clip thru a wall somewhere or sth

[unborn echo]

granted some of these could have just been poorly coded, but these are just the surface level bugs that i have personally encountered

[bold sky]

ur gonna mention how smg recoil is flailing when your arms are messed up?

quite sure arwc issue is not limited to its gun too

[unborn echo]

if you actually use smgs you're just trying to be different

[bold sky]

buddy if we are talking bugs i am going to be concise in what i say

not saying a bunch of feelycraft thing myself then call it a bug

misaligned sights can be considered bugs the rest not really

[unborn echo]

either way my point stands, arwc, compared to other RIFLE, still has alot more recoil

[bold sky]

ai improvements are not bugs

sr16 scar heavy and our hk416 hello?

arwc recoil is mid

[unborn echo]

see what your problem is? you accept those flaws like its perfect, maybe thats why you like the game, personally? i like it too, all the more reason why i want it to feel polished.

[bold sky]

? bugs are bugs improvements are improvements hello

[unborn echo]

im not talking about the normal recoil, but when your arms are injured

[bold sky]

yes i know you are referring to injured recoil

hk416 injured arms recoil is almost as wild as smg recoil too

[unborn echo]

those are bugs tho? idk how can you not consider poorly coded ai not* bugs, when they straight up not follow your orders or do something you never told them to.

[bold sky]

plus its also actually inaccurate and not just recoil

[unborn echo]

hk416 recoil is already alot to begin with

[bold sky]

i mean we are talking your arm injured recoil

[frosty nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/bootlicker-boot-licker-bluelivesmatter-gif-22558166

[bold sky]

i would hardly list that as a bug

[unborn echo]

yes, even in arm injured recoil, hk416 feels tame compared to arwc

[bold sky]

scar 16 arm recoil also kicks horizontally even worse too

light guns prolly have it worse since the weight update in dlc 2

the heavier guns are so much slower to swing around that im sure its coded into some kind of sens coefficient so we are left w spaghetti smg arms but heavier guns are easier to manage significantly

[unborn echo]

oh did i mention suspects getting permanently stunlocked if they decide to hide in closets? happen alot on twisted nerve

also slr47 recoil seem to be ultra bugged

these are not even like, intentionally looking for bugs kinda bugs, they happen in broad daylight

[torpid onyx]

the hk416 is one of my favourite rifles but it's recoil is so bad

I don't think I've ever used the arwc substantially though

[bold sky]

slr47 recoil is just what it is bc they see it as unconventional weapon

im ngl they water down a lot of the recoil at some point after dlc 1, before dlc 1 arwc was unironically the second best 5.56 in terms of recoil after g36

slr47 is also just suffering from not having the good attachments

[torpid onyx]

the mp7 has like barely any horizontal recoil and overall weapon movement but then like the mp5's and p90 throw that ass nack, in a circle, around town, wherever it wants

[unborn echo]

well yeah but its the only ak

[bold sky]

mp7 is ass compared to before dlc 2 what are you talking about

[torpid onyx]

the mp5 and p90 has so much horizontal recoil and plus the optic gets pushed backwards and tilted so much

[bold sky]

all smg suffer after the weight change

if i play smg i have to turn the sens up to try and wrestle their recoil

[torpid onyx]

it's still easily the best SMG with the easiest to manage recoil besides like the ump9

[bold sky]

hmmmm im ngl before dlc 2 yes now questionable

ump45 being heavier actually makes it great for head tapping

recoil is mild but handling is great

[unborn echo]

it feels wrong to actually use any smg other than mp7 and p90 tho, you can but, more like why?

[bold sky]

if you want to force yourself to headshot go for it

[torpid onyx]

cool SAS mp5

[bold sky]

at some point i swear that i get use to aim placement in this game enough im confident i can land headshots the whole game on some maps

[bold sky]

so using smg actually is valid if you just want something for a quick head tap

[torpid onyx]

the main thing about the mp7 recoil that makes it super manageable is that it's entirely pretty straight vertical recoil it's not like you get tons of weapon shake and tilt and have the weapon jumping around like the mp5a2, the mp7 sits pretty solid

[bold sky]

also ngl spc is still a monster if you just enjoy ttk

spc is straight vertical too w the right mod

you just have to wrestle the recoil now unlike before dlc 2

[unborn echo]

pretty solid? how solid?

[torpid onyx]

I would say about as solid as a
snake....

[bold sky]

this man is just coping comparing it to other smg dw lol

its not gonna beat any ar in this game rn

[unborn echo]

you sound like a big boss...

[bold sky]

mp7 recoil is actually almost as bad as hk416 atm

if you put combat grip on hk to eliminate 80% of its horizontal recoil then you kinda have a mp7 recoil in hk416

[torpid onyx]

atleast it's not all horizontal recoil and weapon tilt

[jolly verge]

None of rifles in game have horizontal recoil

[unborn echo]

it is? mp7 feel like its got barely any recoil for me tho

[bold sky]

scar light would like a talk w you

do you remember mp7 before dlc 2 bc that thing sits still

[unborn echo]

by the least, much more manageable than hk416

[bold sky]

mp7 now bounces up so yes it has a lot more recoil

im ngl if you suppress your hk416 yes, if you put sfmb on it then its on par or beat mp7

[torpid onyx]

absolutely not

[bold sky]

rifles in general being able to use sfmb is such an insane boost

asr raw stat is 40% vert recoil reduction and sfmb is like 35% but for some reason if you test it (this can technically be a bug) sfmb reduces vert recoil more than asr

i think by at least 20% bc acog reduce vert recoil by 20%, and if i slap asr and acog (no vert grip) together the recoil pattern sprayed uncontrolled still look slightly worse vertically than sfmb no acog no vert grip

[jolly verge]

It's literally 40% for SFMB and 30% for ASR

[bold sky]

o realy i must be wasted

[unborn echo]

i agree with . btw, putting sfmb on hk416 does not make it even slightly equal to mp7 even unsuppressed

hk416 kick is just that bad

[lost inlet]

^

still hate boid for butchering such a iconic rifle.

[torpid onyx]

also smth I hate about the mp5's is how when you go fully automatic the gun pushes backwards into your camera so bad but the mp7 doesnt

[bold sky]

nvm i coulda swore asr was 40% in the sheet but now its reversed

[lost inlet]

nah, you just misread it.

[bold sky]

last time i checked that sheet was before dlc 2 ngl

[lost inlet]

unless MMMM did some little trolling.

[bold sky]

not really there was a point when that sheet was raw datamining instead of tested data

now the data are all tested for the most part

i definitely remember people in this channel trying to figure out why asr reduces less recoil than sfmb

also your mp7 argument just wait until your arms are fried

[unborn echo]

maybe once upon it did, their stats have been changed alot

[bold sky]

the recoil is gonna be worse than hk too

provided again its so important to slap combat grip on hk so you dont just have bullets fly all over the place once your arms are cooked

but even then its managable

im also thinking full auto btw which i also assume you are talking full auto

if semi i dont see why you play mp7

[jolly verge]

Recoil from arm injury can't be reduced by combat grip

[unborn echo]

i dont use the mp7 alot, but when i do, even when my arms are injured i dont feel that much of a difference tbh, not noticeable atleast

[bold sky]

combat grip does not reduce recoil from arm injury but combat grip itself make sure that the base horizontal spread isnt miserable

so its still servicable at mid range when canted

if you dont play w combat grip on something like hokan your gun is gonna suck at range

once your arms are fried that is and the gun here is hk416

[jolly verge]

Base horizontal recoil on all rifles is 0

[unborn echo]

how about lvar and dm4

[jolly verge]

None of rifles

[bold sky]

can that be true why is scar l just kicking around all the time

are you thinking horizontal recoil or horizontal accuracy

[rotund cypress]

He doesn’t know about the sideways MK18…

[jolly verge]

You confusing angle recoil with horizontal, this is normal

[bold sky]

if you say rifle dont have horizontal recoil then how can we have different spray pattern

??????????????????????

an angle is made up from horizontal and vertical axis too ?

[eager haven]

Quick question...

What's the best Sub-machine Gun-? Or are they just shitty and not worth taking at all?

[bold sky]

the answer is yes smg are underpowered as hell right now

if you still want the best i say spc if you dont care about recoil and ammo efficiency, mp7 if you just want to aim normally

[unborn echo]

they are? all the 5.56 and 300blackout rifle i have tested pull straight up, not sideways

[jolly verge]

Angle recoil is the thing, all guns have some base angle recoil, which reduced when ADS or increased when you have arm injury debuff, attachments don't affect this stat

[unborn echo]

not sure about 7.62.51 rifles tho

[bold sky]

5.56 scar l?

kicks sideways horizontally all the time

that thing is a testament to recoil difference in 556

angle recoil is a fancy way to say it but horizontal simply means anything that kicks sideways or along the x axis

and vertical means along the y axis

[jolly verge]

It's literally how it's called in game

Just take ARWC, get hit in the arm, make sure you did not stop the bleed abs try to shoot

[bold sky]

imma be real some of the terms in this game are better off ignored

[jolly verge]

Or UMP45, they both have the same problem

[bold sky]

if you explain to someone angled recoil when they just start the game chances are they dont understand wth that is right away

plus it also does not invalidate any of my point about horizontal recoil

horizontal/vertical recoil are actual terms used commonly

same as how the game defined accuracy is a very vague sense instead of some standard unit

[jolly verge]

All you need to know is that combat grip does nothing on rifles and does not reduce effect from arm injury debuff

[unborn echo]

why not just eliminate recoil entirely and let people use what they want

[bold sky]

then guns dont have identity

is there source on rifles having no horizontal recoil or at least combat grip doing nothing for them

[unborn echo]

its a pve game tho why would balancing matters on different gun

[jolly verge]

Accuracy is just a spread, all guns have 0 spread, except shotguns with buckshot ammo

Which again makes combat grip useless

[torpid onyx]

honestly on rifles sometimes I feel like wanting to take the vertical grip but I can't ever actually bring myself to use it because I hate staring at how my character grips the verticals grip like a fuckin hammer it annoys me so much looking at it

I prefer the grip style of the angled

[unborn echo]

i like the vertical grip ngl

[torpid onyx]

I take it just because I can't bear to look at my character holding the verticals grip like a tool

[bold sky]

ok are you just saying this based on your feeling or is there some datamining behind it or at least testing

"accuracy is just a spread" true

accuracy and recoil are two different things?

grip never improved accuracy its for recoil?

[unborn echo]

ngl i grew up playing so many games that depicted the vertical grip* to be the ultimate recoil killer so mayb thats why i like it

[bold sky]

dont get me wrong im open to changing my opinion of combat grip but not without something to prove it

last i tested before dlc 2 it works fine

[unborn echo]

you can just use any rifle and spray it literally anywhere you can tho you'll see that they all shoot in a straight line, compared to smgs atleast

[jolly verge]

Accuracy on grip and suppressors - reduce spread value, do nothing on all available guns
Horizontal recoil on grip - do nothing on all rifles and some smgs

[unborn echo]

about the scar-l, the recoil actually feels a bit off, and just weird, compared to other rifles

[jolly verge]

Spreadsheet , game files, actual game tests or MMMM itself

[eager haven]

Another question...

What's the best use for the canter aiming (side aiming)?

[torpid onyx]

they really should be using thumb break or clamp style at least if they want some good control over their weapon in a close quarters environment where you'll be swinging around alot not just holding it like a hammer where you can just flop around willy nilly if youre swinging around alot

[bold sky]

did mmm ever mention that in his sheet

[torpid onyx]

when you feel like it and or want the most visability and or while under night vision

it's preferance

[bold sky]

im still diggign thru that i cant find any part mentioning testing related to combat grip

no way something that significant is not mentioned there

[unborn echo]

cuz optics are always obstructive, canted aiming + laser gives you more space to look at

[bold sky]

canted aiming is arguably the best way to play this game if you care to min max

[eager haven]

So I have been using it right.

I mainly use it during CQC so I can use the laser.

[torpid onyx]

I don't remember if it actually effects the perceived length of your weapon and impact how close you can get to a wall or not

[bold sky]

all the stats related to grip i only care about bc i play canted

you can canted the entirety of an open map like hokan and be fine

[torpid onyx]

if you're hitting shots and not dying then you're doing it right

[bold sky]

canted in this game is borderline broken

[torpid onyx]

you can live without touching canted aiming or live without ever not canting if you wanted to

[bold sky]

no reason to ads at all if you can cant your gun and hit your shots

[unborn echo]

the best, subjectively, for me its mp7, SUPER low recoil, best cartridge for an smg, 40 round mag

[torpid onyx]

if you're using pistols or what not canted can be kinda bad since when canted the flick sends you off target for much longer while canted compared to ADS

[torpid onyx]

only "good" ones are the mp7 and p90 since they're 4.6 and 5.7

[unborn echo]

you can do a small burst of 3 to a target medium-far away without your gun kicking above em with the mp7

[unborn echo]

p90 recoil is so bad

[torpid onyx]

yeah it's got so much horizontal recoil and shake

[jolly verge]

Angle recoil only, you can just DM him if you want, he also might will add more info about it if needed

[torpid onyx]

but 50 round mag and it's a tad bit shorter if you are really looking for the shortest guns to avoid being forced high ready

[eager haven]

I mainly use ADS for getting headshots from distant targets (like ones taking a hostage so I can aim for the head, I do not CARE if it'd get some penalty, no hostage dies on my watch).

Or when using a relaxed ROE mods so I can still get S Rank even if killing non-priority targets.

[torpid onyx]

hopefully if your taking a p90 though you're playing a tight map like sins or smth though where the excessive horizontal recoil doesn't send you off target

[jolly verge]

ADS and canted is the same thing in terms of angle recoil reduction, it's only about your gun being rotated

[bold sky]

i am aware

but canted being naturally at a less zoomed view means actually hitting shots matter more at range

[torpid onyx]

pistols (especially the fiveseven) are the only guns that have a significant negative effect while being canted because of the muzzle flick that takes time to come back down and being at an angle means you can't follow up shots as fast since instead of having the entire height of a person to hit which means you can be a bit sloppy waiting for the pistol to come back down instead you only have a cross section of their torso

[bold sky]

is five seven canted laser still off

thats a known bug for a while now

wonder if that ever got fixed

mmm is na right

its about lunch now

@crude prism does combat grip not reduce any horizontal recoil on rifles at all? also tx if you actually rep this summon

[jolly verge]

[bold sky]

its lunch time not many people care about it

i barely eat lunch too

[jolly verge]

He will answer, just not online atm

[bold sky]

is this in bug thread or somewhere too

[unborn echo]

is swat 4 worth buying in 2025

[bold sky]

what the hell is the point of combat grip then if it still doesnt do anything since game release

i coulda swear it group the shots horizontally more after dlc 2 when i spray it

swat 4 is still worth buying if you are going to install mods and play for fun

[unborn echo]

you can use them on most smgs

[bold sky]

swat 4 is an arcade for fun game not to be taken seriously

[jolly verge]

It's looks cool when you grip it

It's does something on smgs

[bronze crypt]

the only thing i dislike about canting is that the angle feels extreme

[bronze crypt]

recoil in this game is more or less a joke

[jolly verge]

You can set combat grip on mp5, mp5/10mm, mp7, spc9 and ump45, but their base horizontal recoil is very low anyway

[bronze crypt]

especially for judge who, to put it briefly (to avoid getting into spoilers), is fairly well trained, far better than his peers

but i will say cqb in this game is better than in operator, arma 3/reforger, ground branch, squad, all of them

[bold sky]

we are only discussing recoil in terms of not controlling it

most of us have aim placement good enough to have more than 50% hs rate in this game

[bronze crypt]

still applies

[bold sky]

hate to say it too but ummmm

are we also talking recoil while full auto or semi lol

bc every time people talk about "semi recoil" im just dead inside

[bronze crypt]

semi

or both, at this point in general

im talking 5.56

[bold sky]

there is no semi recoil in this game

unless its m14 then you can feel something but firing the other gun on semi is almost no recoil

well m14 ak and some 7.62 nato i guess

[bronze crypt]

sure buddy

[bold sky]

i mean im ngl try using scar l or hk416 and spray it w no asr or sfmb

i wouldnt say the full auto recoil on those things are exactly managable prolonged

my arms hurts trying to group those things unmodded

also there is some horizontal recoil on rifles btw the second shot constantly go left side a bit on the second shot then stabilize and go straight up

it curves naturally to align w first shots after like 8-9 shots ?

[bronze crypt]

ive shot an mr223 (admittedly not a 416) and its fairly manageable

less than in game fs

[wet roost]

i was talkin bout mine lol

[uncut widget]

Police officers are also might be a gooners and fans of femboys

[bronze crypt]

Fuck this ai

Enemies are literally too good

Am I fighting a foreign SMU? What the hell is that

[bold sky]

they arent that good you'll get used to them soon

especially if you think this game has no recoil then you prolly are doing better than people who place their aim on the floor to sweep it

[jolly verge]

@unkempt mountain You can see barrel going up and down, wait till it recenter or the bullets going hit higher or lower depending on your rate of fire

[latent crescent]

they have the same reaction time as you

whereas in almost every other game the ai are purposely slower than you for balancing

[bronze crypt]

Nope, better

I feel inferior, actually

[latent crescent]

so the ai in the game seem like they are gods (which yeah they are with their aim) but its doable

[bronze crypt]

I am genuinely sorry for occupying a spot on the SWAT team cause clearly they deserve it more than me

[latent crescent]

how many hours do u have on the game?

[bronze crypt]

Just barely to know what things are like

But now I’ve been doing a marathon of all missions

On hard

[latent crescent]

look 10 hours into the game u get used to the ai

[latent crescent]

well no fuckin shit its hard bro 💀

[bronze crypt]

I didn’t lmao

First 7-8 missions it actually went so well

[latent crescent]

nah if u play coop u learn the stuff easy peasy, just observe what the others do

[bronze crypt]

I would always apprehend the suspects and the few I would engage at would still survive

[latent crescent]

i hit a wall on greased palms, took a day but i steamrolled through it until neon tomb where i just went "nah fuck commander mode i'll complete it later" and did the rest in quick play

[bronze crypt]

In Port Hoken I had to go for kill shots every time, I actually made the Osama bin Laden raid look like a Nerf fight

[bronze crypt]

Relatable

[latent crescent]

the haji raid is 10/10 both missions

commander mode ai is worse than quick play ai because of stress

[bronze crypt]

Only operation where I spared like 3% of suspects

[latent crescent]

commander mode have actual empathetic, overworked people while quick play has 4 john wicks in ur team

[bronze crypt]

Even if they were disoriented I still went for the kill

[bronze crypt]

Yeah

[latent crescent]

funnily enough my aim was so bad in port hokan i actually S-ranked the mission

[bronze crypt]

Well, not exactly John Wick but they seem more competent

[latent crescent]

💀

[bronze crypt]

Lmaoo

[latent crescent]

they run on 0 stress thats why

[bronze crypt]

I actually feel it adds to the realism in a way, and I can explain

As per the lore, Judge |||is more or less a USIA product and a former JSOC/SMU member, whereas his SWAT team, while fairly capable pales in comparison to what he is capable with||, so it would make sense for Judge (or me) to be angry at the incompetence of the guys. I will also say, this game is very good at replicated real-life CQB but I doubt 9x19 goes through a 7cm concrete wall (as has happened to me before)

[latent crescent]

no game gets penentration right tbf

[latent crescent]

judge just built different

if uve ever seen footage of spec ops soldiers fighting along side locals u can see the spec ops dudes doing all the work for them

[bronze crypt]

I have seen ANA fighting so I know 🥀✌️

[solemn patio]

D platoon vs the taliban who wins

[mighty hemlock]

Kinda agree. But I also don't think someone would be able to survive a 12 gauge to the head at 10 meters

As it happened to me once

[solemn patio]

Imagine a 4 gauge

[mighty hemlock]

KS23

The forbidden less lethal

[solemn patio]

KS23 beanbag rounds that incapacitate in one hit

[crude prism]

I mean they technically do have horizontal recoil that is being reduced, but it's just so minimal that it pretty much leads to no difference.

Like this is the first 6 rifles with no attachments (plus the slr on the right)

Not perfectly straight lines, but there is little/no movement to either side.

For the ranges that RoN operates at 95% of the time, horizontal recoil is basically never a factor on rifles.

[gleaming basin]

when next update

[glass heart]

hard should have gone all in on improving enemy tactics and positioning instead of just cranking up their stats

[bronze crypt]

👆

[glass heart]

fighting an enemy that has the same capability as you do but similar tactics would fit this game more

right now i have literally been triple tapped at range by pistols

and before you ask yes, greased palms

[bronze crypt]

actual barricaded suspects that utilise the environment to their advantage as opposed to world champion ipsc shooters

[steep ridge]

they should make a ks46 and it removes any evidence of any matter ever existing there

[bronze crypt]

Is it possible to get AI to walk towards you after surrendering?

[jolly verge]

Yes, just order them to do so

[chilly thorn]

prob early 2026

But im assuming we are gonna get a patch soon, but the devs are being really quiet right now.

[solid patio]

Why do the updates take so long?

[brave lance]

Did they remove Picture in Picture for optiwond?

[chilly thorn]

maps detailed are super detailed and this game already struggles to work lol

[solemn patio]

Hear me out

Instead of cranking suspect accuracy up they make them knock stuff over and change the enviroment

[quasi coral]

Knife suspects should have the animation to peak out a door before entering

[solemn patio]

Suspects tripping over obstacles would make me laugh

[wraith gale]

they're actually coming out pretty fast for RoNs situation.

40 devs who work remotely around the world, already struggling to maintain the game at a non buggy pace.

[chilly thorn]

The devs around the world thing, explains so much.

honestly suprised the game actually even works if thats the case

[wheat crescent]

I feel like ready or not should have a difficulty where you can increase or decrease certain things think of it like modifiers, where you can choose to make the rooms darker or make the ai hide behind cover or increase the count to anything you want

[rough needle]

wait stress affects performance?

[rough needle]

it's actually a 20lb projectile with 3 pounds of gunpowder behind it

its called 9mm but its actually 9cm

[rough needle]

no but it looks cool and thats more important

not the guy you asked so no ping

[torpid onyx]

prompt a command on the enemy

move
my position

they are very slow though and if shots are being fired they will pause to react and put their head down

you can also use a couple differant move prompts but they don't seem to work reliably like [my position] does

[chilly thorn]

also not to mention sometimes they just wont listen lol, Im like 99% sure its intentional though

sometimes they even shuffle away from you

[rough needle]

its like that with all ai

i tell my squad to "ram gas and clear" and they stand there

[chilly thorn]

yeah thats a bug for sure but the suspect not listening to you is intentional as its always been there

they also shuffle towards other suspects to alert them about you

God I love RoNs california hate but imagine what they could do with a new york setting, I guess we have swat 4 for that

[rough needle]

chicago would be a good setting i wonder if theres a swat game set in it

(i know fuck all about the swat franchise)

[chilly thorn]

I feel like chicago in the RoN universe has got to be like Bo2 Town if LA is this bad

[eager holly]

how can i skip the opening intro

[toxic harness]

what opening intro?

[eager holly]

like void niteractive bla bla that rights epic games that opening intro

[toxic harness]

It's supposed to have that opening

[eager holly]

yeah can i just not have it play is there mod or sum

[toxic harness]

No mods for it. Just let it play

I never see it an issue at all

[eager holly]

yea i just dont want to watch it

[tranquil marlin]

Did they do soemthing to the coffee machine? It's no dropping the cups.

[torpid onyx]

you just interact with the spot to place the cup to place a cup

first you select a drink, pay for the drink, place the cup then activate them after it's done put the lid on

it doesn't actually give you a speed boost anymore though it's purely cosmetic

[tranquil marlin]

Yeah, no mines not dispensing the cup. Oh well.

[torpid onyx]

it doesnt dispense a cup

you just interact with the tray where the cup goes when the promp "place cup" pops up and then boom there's a cup on the tray

@tranquil marlin

and you have to as afformentioned select a drink and pay before placing the cup

[toxic harness]

What's your drink?

[vital mesa]

@bitter magnet you coming back mate?

[bitter magnet]

Trying to figure out why the game won’t launch rn I’ll prolly not be back tn bc nothings working rn and might try to reinstall the game

[latent crescent]

yes

[red kayak]

Where durabilit

[red kayak]

Hai

[torpid onyx]

a boss coffee latte

[red kayak]

Dont do drugs

[torpid onyx]

so sugoi so japan

[unborn echo]

hallo

[reef anvil]

I have come back to the game, that means i'm doing greased palms on HARD Difficulty. What does that mean? 😭

it is time to get beamed halfway across the map and there isn't a damn thing I can do about it

[red kayak]

@unborn echohey question

im playing RoN now, but i got the "Hold F to stop bleeding" thing already.

But now im almost ded again, how do i heal 😭

[twilit mulch]

you hold F to stop the bleeding. There's no healing

[unborn echo]

you dont but naturally stopping a bleed will set you back to 50% hp if you were below it

[red kayak]

i dont get the pop up anymore

i js die 💀

almost my entire body is red now if i look at the left bottom

[twilit mulch]

if edges of your screen are turning red just hold F regardless if the sentence appears or not. If you're holding F and nothing happens then it's a bug

[twilit mulch]

that's normal if you've been shot in your body parts

you can't heal your limbs

[reef anvil]

I am throwing hands with RON

[red kayak]

oooo okay

never rerally did that, will try later again thanks

[rough needle]

how much?

[latent crescent]

i dont have the stats but stressed swat have been observed to be less efficient in hitting their shots

[rough needle]

i havent noticed that before

i thought it just meant they quit more

[latent crescent]

its not a massive difference but it is there

[jolly verge]

Nope

It's only for resigning/sending into therapy

[bold sky]

trust me bro source is kinda very unreliable on this discord lol

[jolly verge]

Everywhere

[unborn echo]

but hes right tho

[reef anvil]

God I remembered how much I hated greased palms on hard

What the fuck is this map bro, it's not even hard, it's like i'm fighting the terminator

S rank greased palms they said

It's be fun they said. It was not

[tacit gull]

greased palms the easiest it's ever been

[reef anvil]

a krill

[tacit gull]

whart

[surreal pelican]

Any tips for S ranking Hard Mode?

I already cleared all the base game missions on Hard but I want that sweet S rank

[torpid onyx]

dont

that's my tip

[surreal pelican]

I'm just happy that they don't need us to S rank hard for any related achievements