👮ron-discussion

[wet owl]

Love that mission I’ve died to a trap in that mission at least 10 times

[tired summit]

Took me 1.5 hours over multiple attempts. My friend was opening the last door to secure the last civillian then uhh.... Boom. Gone. :(

[soft minnow]

I just really hope they have the 1911 so I can customize it like my gun in real life

[eager walrus]

there is a 1911 or two

[wet owl]

Well I have great news for you

[tired summit]

No clue what the name is, its a appartment building with traps and pretty good AI

[urban badge]

but if you play with in multi with friends tight coordination and comunication is key. i failed missions sometimes with my buddies cuz of that.

[eager walrus]

veteran hotel

the first one

[urban badge]

it's ides of march if i remember correctly

[eager walrus]

ides of march right

[tired summit]

Could be...

[soft minnow]

Im dropping $105 for digital Deluxe

[wet owl]

Hey that’s basically how much I paid for Supporters Edition 8(

[soft minnow]

What dat

Every time I try to save money I always just find something I need

Last week it was 12 doughnuts this time it's ready or not

I will eat donuts when playing ready or not

[eager walrus]

fulfill the cop larp fantasy

[urban walrus]

Check the pinned messages in https://discord.com/channels/310075021882294272/452425840274309120

[soft minnow]

Nah just fucking fat

[eager walrus]

fulfill the american cop larp fantasy then

[urban badge]

i wonder when they fix Polish localization cuz it has slightly broken ui and some things still in english.

[soft minnow]

Now all I need some very bad coffee

[wet owl]

Nothing, Nothing important

[eager walrus]

good thing is thats all america has

[soft minnow]

Good thing I'm Australian

[eager walrus]

oof

[soft minnow]

Our police are pretty good when I was running my motorbike about a month ago I went through a red light the cop pulls me over and says look I'm not gonna fine you but watch the light next time

[eager walrus]

yeah nah just across the ditch from you our cops are dickheads

[soft minnow]

After reading one of the police officers books from the cafe siege that happened a few years ago I have nothing but respect for the people that wear that uniform

[wet owl]

Odd don't our cops go nuts over a 4wd 0.01mm higher than the legal ride height

[soft minnow]

When I got pulled over I was just honest and said I didn't see the light change

He just gave me a verbal warning said be careful next time

[eager walrus]

only thing you see of the police regularly here is them sitting at the end of a passing lane

[pseudo sierra]

what is that map in the third clip?

[crude prism]

testing map from one of the modders here, they were kind enough to share with me

[pseudo sierra]

oh

[crude prism]

it's just a whitebox with some spawn buttons and loadout locker, nothing too interesting

[shrewd mountain]

bruh why the door kick animation has so much headshake

[eager walrus]

so much has insane headshake

[wet owl]

What should I mostly be using for S runs? I've been switching between VPL and the Beanbag

[amber dock]

Beanbag is easier to use and more reliable but VPL can be more op if you know how to use it correctly and to its fullest potential

[wet owl]

Gonna be honest I've been spamming headshots and around the feet of Suspects

[eager walrus]

do you still get faulted when the civilians run through a pepepr cloud

[amber dock]

Beanbag you have to aim below neck area

VPL you can kinda aim anywhere

[wet owl]

Really? I thought it was aim at the pelvis

[amber dock]

I’ve always aimed torso level and it’s been fine

If you can hit lower area then sure you can, you reduce odds of killing them but

[tacit gull]

pepperballs suck ass

[amber dock]

You know torso is beer area so

[amber dock]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1194212393895604295/1309294997551448084/caption.gif

[tacit gull]

beanbag can hit anywhere but head and be a surrender all the time

[amber dock]

Go back to playing Siege you

[tacit gull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1384820628233912403/1388282348071555162/IMG_20250429_011740_089.gif

bruh

[amber dock]

HAH

Mod got embed fail

Pls don’t take away my roles pls

[wet owl]

I swear I heard that the Pelvis Area had the highest surrender rate might be a myth I don't know the stats

[amber dock]

@crude prism probs knows more

But from my testing of S ranking all maps over and over due to annoying friends

[scarlet copper]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[amber dock]

It works just as good as long you aim below the head

[wet owl]

Thank goodness it's not just me 😭

[tacit gull]

i'm dead 💀

[scarlet copper]

time to retire

[tacit gull]

i wasn't getting paid enough anyway 🙄

[feral sundial]

Can I take your position

[tacit gull]

no

[feral sundial]

Oh

[tacit gull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1068639836388458496/1252990706700521614/3x_10-ezgif.com-webp-to-gif-converter.gif

[amber dock]

Is this the part where you reveal something about void before retiring?

Or are you writing a book about the truth of Ron and void?

Your Wikipedia page will be very big now

Retired developer at Void interactive
Known for:Book:truth about video game industry and Void

[tacit gull]

his credits will be working on perfecting gerard's willy only for it to be taken away 😔

[scarlet copper]

need to work on a bigger controversy section first

[amber dock]

Uh mention elephant controversy

And uhhh 1.0 release

Gratr can help with that part

He’s very famous for 1.0 controversy

[winged elbow]

wdym

[amber dock]

Ron currently only exists on PC and on steam so if cross play existed now it would be a useless feature atm

[winged elbow]

ye it is releasing on console

so can we play with our frnds or others on pc

[tacit gull]

Yes

[winged elbow]

W

[bright pasture]

Is the dark water dlc worth it ? Its on sale btw

[sand hull]

july 15th is taking its sweet ass time to come

[sand hull]

that depends, do you like Ready or Not?

[bright pasture]

Just tactical playing

[sand hull]

do you have more pressing financial issues?

[tender kite]

Real

[forest summit]

holy shit has no one even really read the new dev log???
I keep seeing people complain while the changes seem really minor

[tender kite]

Holy shit is your pfp the huckleberry

[final ember]

whats this I hear about the Elephant mission getting censored?

[slow junco]

gang basic question, hope someone can confirm. AI Teammates move speeds aren't affected by the plates they're wearing, right?

Just put blue team in all steel full plates, red team in kevlar, queued up some "Move to" Commands and they both moved at the same speed.

So is the meta just putting AI swat into full steel plates all the time?

[forest summit]

idk about speed
but im pretty sure that steel is bugged atm and that ceramic is better

[slow junco]

really I mean acceleration - but you get my point. How's steel bugged this time?!

[tacit gull]

Steel doesnt offer nearly as much protection as it should

[sand hull]

yes 😭

[tacit gull]

And even if it did, ceramic's 100% protection against rounds still sounds better mathematically

[tender kite]

Ive found my people

[slow junco]

I gotcha, so basically Steel isn't giving the 70% damage reduction. Meta is still full ceramic plates then. Thanks for the heads up

[sand hull]

i didn’t know we existed outside of destiny

[tender kite]

Lmfao real

[sand hull]

i’m kinda pissed cuz the edge of fate releases the same day as Ready or Not

[tender kite]

RoN is better

Checked out of destiny as soon as i completed TFS and the raid

[orchid comet]

hey guys

[crystal sierra]

Are shotguns bugged or what? Running shotgun on one of my AIs, at least one of the suspect is always stonned into the ground without option to cuff him.

[humble mauve]

if a bodypart is dismembered (including legs/head) you can no longer cuff them

and shotguns have a tendency to do that

[crystal sierra]

Oh, so just to report him and mission will end? One of the AIs yesterday blew Suspect's head off 🤣

[cursive minnow]

Yea cuffing isn't necessary for score it's just a safety precaution

[crystal sierra]

Weren't officers supposed to die permanently unles you have paramedic in your team? 2 of mine ,,died" says one the one of them that he is in Therapy while other one is Incapacitated, lol.

[cursive minnow]

They can be incapacitated without dying without a paramedic from what I know but I don't really play commander mode myself.

[amber dock]

Yeah they can

So whatever it says in the summary after you return to Hq is whatever state your officers are in

[crystal sierra]

Running 3 lethal + 1 officer with VPL, not that much good to be honest, 2 ARs, 1 shotgun + VPL, sadly, suspects usually just end up dead since my shotgun guy is quick trigger. 🤣

[short crow]

Sup

[worldly zenith]

Anyone know how the nonlethal pistol is gonna work?

Is it a pepperball gun?

[amber dock]

Pretty sure yeah

[worldly zenith]

Sick

Imagine rocking that with a beanbag shotgun

Now i can have decent range while running beanbag

[crystal sierra]

Shield + pepperball pistol...

[worldly zenith]

And i can keep my officers from using a lethal pistol

[worldly zenith]

S rank on valley of the dolls has never been easier

[crystal sierra]

Hardest ever mission on S rank for me was Hospital defenitly. Easiest? Mansion from previous DLC, completed it on first run ever, lol. Now... i'm struggling with 3 letter Triad, can't complete it even with lethal weapons. 💀

[worldly zenith]

Ive never done S rank so i cant be talking

Was greased palms hard on S rank?

[shell sinew]

anyone tryna do S tiers

[worldly zenith]

I'm down for votd l8tr

Want that shirt 🤞

[shell sinew]

aight

lmaoo i just got it last night

and Sins of The Father. that one SUCKED

[crystal sierra]

What was that map again... ?

[worldly zenith]

Its fine

[shell sinew]

postal place

[worldly zenith]

Cartel shot up post office for guns or sum idk

[crystal sierra]

Oh... That was nightmare.

[shell sinew]

even in a normal mission greased palm sucks lol

[crystal sierra]

If you are doing S rank there, don't even think about entering into main building right away, go to the right, clear small office with the kitchen first, then return to the spawn point, into the courtyard, clear outside first, then enter inside packages area from the back aka garage / loading dock side.

[shell sinew]

so many angles where they can see u but u cant see them

[worldly zenith]

Damn right, it took me like 30 tries on commander

[worldly zenith]

I just spammed cs gas and used a shotgun while the rest of my teams uses sa-50 and one with a beanbag shotgun

Tbh bro the only two shotguns that are worth using are m1014 and beanbag lol

[shell sinew]

lmaoo

fr tho

[worldly zenith]

Mag fed one will probs be up there tho

[shell sinew]

i do think its dumb that the bean bag shotgun can kill someone. I mean if its to the head at point blank, maybe? but from 30 yards? absolutely not

[crystal sierra]

Server farm is also pain for S rank overall, they tend to flank a lot, don't even want to comment second floor.

[worldly zenith]

It's realistic though

Its like having a 8 ball thrown at you at high speeds

That would kill at close range

[worldly zenith]

Normally i had an easy time with that

Got it on my third try

[crystal sierra]

My general problem with Server farm was second floor, because it's like glassed cage, they will shoot shit out of you while trying to cross, was clearing alone, while crouched in the end. Strategy was like this: Put wedge on every single outside door, clear rooftop, clear second floor + wedge the rooftop exit / entrace. Then ,enter from the side, like from the right, enter inside server farm right away, if you clear that, you basiclly gained control of whole map.

[worldly zenith]

I just gassed em first

[shell sinew]

no its not lol

respectfully

i'm a jailer and we had a guy get brought in after he got hit square between the eyes with a beanbag shotgun from 15 feet away'

didnt even knock them out, just left a bruise

perfect square bruise in the middle of his face lol it was funny asf

[worldly zenith]

Well i guess i can't argue with someone who had first hand experience

[crystal sierra]

I don't use gas almost at all, it's sort of inpractical for me. My setup is something like this: Alfa is shield operator with flashes, Bravo is AR with breaching shotgun and flashes / stinger. Charlie is Ram + Flashes, Shotgun officer, and Delta is VHL or whatever was the name of Pepperball gun. My policy is no mirrorgun use at all.

[shell sinew]

i mean dont get me wrong there 100% is a chance of it doing some serious damage

i just dont think the NPC being killed instantly should be a thing 😭 maybe just incapacitating them or something

[worldly zenith]

I do myself with SA-50 or m1014 with a revolver and battering ram, second guy with mp5 and breaching shotgun, then 3rd guy has an SA-50 and tac shield, and the next guy has a beanbag shotty and a tac shield. All wear gas masks.

Bc yknow

I love teargas

[crystal sierra]

My only issue with RoN is how restriced AI is, i feel like i don't need to do anything in the game except babysit them with commands, like, they will enter first and scout rooms for me and such, usually i don't even fire a single bullet since they will clear everything for me. I wish we had more ,,free-willed" AI.

[tacit gull]

RON's AI is already overcomplicated with nothing to really show for it

[worldly zenith]

I do everything but i make them arrest suspects and secure evidence

I like doing the fun stuff

[desert island]

there are no locked doors on hospital right

[verbal dagger]

I'm pretty sure there are locked doors on hospital Phleet

[crystal sierra]

I mean, i just don't see use for some of the stuff, like for example pepper spray, almost to 0 situations to use it in.

[tacit gull]

Yep

[desert island]

i dont think u need to unlock doors on hospital

[tacit gull]

No non compliant civilians

on suspects it basically does nothing

no punishment for using ltl on civs either

[verbal dagger]

also i am glad to see the community outrage growing, the changes are bullshit and the only reason people are speaking up about it is because our community cares

I get mods are doing damage control, but the game experience is degrading and the vision for the game is getting watered down. I said it yesterday, the game is being made worse with these changes

[crystal sierra]

By the way, heard somewhere that breach shotguns can destroy booby traps, that true or... ?

[tacit gull]

Yeah but they're right on the limit of safety

[desert island]

well the door can fall on the wire and set it off or something

[tacit gull]

I'd argue the vision got watered down way before any censorship

[wild kernel]

Are there still going to be dead bodies placed in Elephant or is that going to be changes in the update?

[tacit gull]

Dead bodies will still be present

[tawdry stag]

it pains me to agree ngl

[crystal sierra]

Remind me how to clear mods from games folder? just to delete Paks?

[wild kernel]

So what will be changed on the pc version and what will stay? That part has been confusing me.

[tacit gull]

Errrr delete everything that doesnt have windowsnoeditor i think

or something like that

including all of the mod.io folder

[verbal dagger]

that may be true, all the same the current state of the game is a reasonable execution of that vision, and is something that people agree is a gritty and grounded experience in line with what they paid for

[crystal sierra]

Had bunch of mods from like years ago, bruh.

[tacit gull]

Both versions will have the same censorships

[verbal dagger]

post censorship that is not the case

[tacit gull]

I dunno about grounded, some of the story beats are ludicrous

[frozen seal]

What’s going on with the censorship bruh

It sounds lame asf

Half of this game was the shock value from the environments and people

[tacit gull]

The censorship was done to achieve certification, nothing much could be done about that

Maybe if VOID had a big publisher they could have pushed past all of it, but they don't

[desert island]

console r lame

[edgy hearth]

Barely anything is gonna change

[frozen seal]

Nah it will

It will be minuscule changes, but details are everything.

[crystal sierra]

There is so much stuff about censorship, it's unreal, one of those would be using picture of a red cross with white background since Red Cross as an organization have copyright or whatever on it. Another weird example is logo of Templars / crusaders, you can't use that either.

[tacit gull]

The major changes are less nudity, slightly less violence against minors and no mutilating corpses

[verbal dagger]

they're grounded in a way that other games are not, there are human experiences in the game now which will no longer be there after this update, and frankly the changes are not minor

also if having a publisher makes a difference that means VOID could have beeen more heavy handed in what they asked for during that cert interactive process

[tacit gull]

If you want to make censorship a pain please message your government if you're in a country that supports such a thing

[verbal dagger]

why would i support my government who already doesn't obey rule of law, instead of speaking to the devs who can listen to community feedback?

[tacit gull]

It's not having a publisher per se, more that VOID are tiny and can be pushed to make further changes

[verbal dagger]

amd tjat

[tacit gull]

Certification boards wouldn't fuck rockstar around as much

for example

[verbal dagger]

sorry cat, that's bullshit gratr, void's pre order numbers are such that they can push back

they just choose not to

[tacit gull]

Not how that works

Big companies release big games with big attention, RON is minuscule in comparison

It's not just about throwing money around is what i'm saying

[frozen seal]

Don’t think money matters in this aspect

[verbal dagger]

oh weird idk why that got rejected. I agree it's not just throwing money around, it's also having a spine and being willing to push back, VOID didn't want to push back because it could have compromised a console release

[frozen seal]

Well you wouldn’t want to risk it either

[tacit gull]

Well yeah, they've already invested a lot into putting that out the door

[verbal dagger]

yeah and that's a crap response, your community is pissed because VOID didn't have the balls to push back harder while going through that process

there are some changes that could have very obviously been fought for which would have maintained the integrity of the game

[tacit gull]

It's understandable that people are unhappy, i hate censorship and i'm sure VOID did their best to make sure plenty of things weren't censored

What we got cut is pretty minor in the face of other things

[frozen seal]

The crackhouse kid is gonna be changed right?

[tacit gull]

Like for example graphic deaths could have been cut, the entirety of valley, 23mbps and mindjot since they all feature implied child abuse etc.

[tacit gull]

Yes, she won't use the choking animation anymore

[verbal dagger]

I don't think that's the case at all, i think void prioritized a console release NO MATTER WHAT over releasing in a state which would keep the integrity of their game. Given what has been able to be released from other small dev teams, your audiance knows it, and from what the devs have said specifically, they know it. Void just didn't the spine or wherewithal to fight for parts of the game which do significantly change the experience.

[frozen seal]

Boooo

I wonder what makes it such a big deal

[tacit gull]

Well you can think whatever you want, i don't know any other game on console made by an indie team that features what ron does

[tacit gull]

Most likely child protection laws in places like Germany

[tawdry stag]

she is going to sleep now during a swat raid or whatever they are planning

[tacit gull]

Yeah it does look pretty strange

[verbal dagger]

in terms of a toned down gore system the following games have more graphic violence - hell let loose, ready or not, doom, all bethesda games, frankly the list goes on forever because gore and violence are staples of gaming

i mean, even for the little girl having seizures, it would be a weird way to justify it, but seizures are not only realistic to the human experience, they are also something that is covered under ada

[frozen seal]

I also don’t understand the issue with gore, when dead island 2 is a thing, unless it’s again about void not having that much influence

[tacit gull]

Every game you've mentioned is either made by or backed by a massive company

[verbal dagger]

no, many of them are recently backed by a larger publisher, but hell let loose was not partnered with team 17 on console release, same with insurgency which not only shows heads exploding but also has people crying while they lay on the floor dying

i'm sorry gratr that's just not accurate

[tacit gull]

RoN is going to have that too, what?

[verbal dagger]

yes and no, the fact that damage to bodies after death will be a thing will limit that severely

we were talking to the devs about it last night and basically if a whole team mows down a suspect it will not be realistic whatsoever given that the gore system shuts off immediately upon suspect death

[tacit gull]

You will basically just be limited to 1 gibbing spot

You can still shoot corpses just fine

[verbal dagger]

which is the least realistic representation of violence possible

[tacit gull]

what

[verbal dagger]

again, i get your'e doing damage control, but that is an awful change, which is also forced upon pc players

if 6 dudes open up on a suspect with a shotgun, that person is not going to have a small gore decal on their chest and a small spot of blood

they would be ripped apart

[shy tulip]

(Despite the current build also having same damage restrictions because of how shots register)

[tacit gull]

RoN's gore never went that deep

[shy tulip]

It really is a nonissue except for people who play RoN just for pure violence

[tacit gull]

You will still be able to deform and apply the non dismemberment damage everywhere

[verbal dagger]

i've been playing the game for years, yes it absolutely does, i've shot suspects with a buddy who then ended up missing multiple limbs, having giant gouges taken out of their chest, or also having their head ripped apart with blood everywhere

[tall knoll]

Mass refund is an option.

[frozen seal]

I don’t have a problem with shooting corpses because of ROE anyways

[verbal dagger]

true starship, especially since the team seems to be outright rejecting any feedback they're being given or gas lighting until the player base accepts the changes

[tall knoll]

Steam has accepted refunds for games that have done this before as long as justification can be provided.

[tacit gull]

I don't think making the changes public on their newsletter and potentially missing out on some preorders is gaslighting anyone really

[verbal dagger]

that is a great idea and should be told to the community at large captain 🙂

no it's not gratr, me talking to the devs and mods all of yesterday with my feedback being distorted or ignored or sidestepped is gaslighting

[tacit gull]

There is no feedback to take in either, undoing the changes now could land them in hot water legally or even revoke their classification

[muted star]

Nahhh you don't understand

[tall knoll]

They have ways to resolve it

[muted star]

Void is evilll

[verbal dagger]

that's void's fault for not bringing the possibilitiy of these changes to their community before pursuing a console release

[tacit gull]

Which way is that?

[shy tulip]

Gonna need a new true emote at this rate

(Reminder not to start calling each other insults)

[hollow cove]

„Tactical FPS Ready or Not is cut to meet console certification and not everyone’s happy“….i‘ve read it and i‘m really FUCKED UP about this…WHY,?? This is unnecessary shit. When i crossplay with PC Gamer,they‘re Versions are Cut too like DEAD ISLAND 2 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😤😤😤😤😤 i was HYPED,but this BULLSHIT makes me very Angry & i‘m no more hyped and boycott this…..

[tall knoll]

Without legal issues too. A second branch is more work, but is a way. Yes it has issues, but that would work.

[tacit gull]

They mentioned why they won't do that in the newsletter

[shy tulip]

Game becomes crossplay incompatible (as the devs have said)

[tall knoll]

yeah… because it’s more work

[shy tulip]

which then you are pissing off the people who actually want the game to crossplay

[muted star]

Having rework a bunch of shit vs giving npcs pants

[tawdry stag]

modding it is

[muted star]

Choose wisely

[tacit gull]

Legit

[tall knoll]

Not just pants

[muted star]

Imma make one

[tacit gull]

Mods will be able to fix every single change

[muted star]

With some bs ai config

[tacit gull]

They will however make you crossplay incompatible

[hollow cove]

VOID INTERACTIVE should just release the game without messing with it….

[tacit gull]

If it was that easy they would have done just that

[tawdry stag]

couldn't they just give us an option that disables crossplay but disables all of the censorship too?

idk just a thought

[tall knoll]

“Too hard”

[shy tulip]

That is in essence maintaining a second build

[tawdry stag]

the game is getting review bombed rn on steam which i cant get angry at

[tall knoll]

^any feedback is good feedback

[shy tulip]

Lets not

[muted star]

In my honest opinion review bombing for these changes are really silly

[tawdry stag]

i am not angry at them for removing some dongs

[edgy hearth]

If someone is up in arms about not being able to shoot up a corpse when you’re supposed to be a cop is kinda funny ngl

[tawdry stag]

however i am angry for removing some parts of the missions that make em interesting

i legit looked up port hokan lore when i saw the container

[tacit gull]

It's fine to be angry about the changes but it's better to direct that anger at the people that forced it, NOT the people who were forced to comply with them

[muted star]

Making them have pants changed anything regarding their situation?

[tawdry stag]

f sony all my homies hate sony

[tall knoll]

Still not “forced” to comply with the changes

[edgy hearth]

You still can, their clothes will just be tattered. The human trafficking is still there

[frozen seal]

Mods, boom

[tawdry stag]

i will be instantly modding the game when the changes arrive

i am pretty sure someone is on it rn

[tacit gull]

AVP said he's already on it lmao

i think

[muted star]

I have current models so it's gonna be easy

[shy tulip]

Jokes on him, I will make sure this update breaks whatever framework he's trying

[muted star]

[tacit gull]

sinner secretly john void

[desert island]

update breaking map mods

[tacit gull]

yeah like 90% of mods will break

[frozen seal]

[tacit gull]

there are some freak accident mods that somehow make it through every now and then

[tall knoll]

Either two things happened which led to this situation:

• The developers wanted to move to console after feedback from casual players in order to increase popularity and profits. In turn, they did not care about changing realism.

• The developers didn’t do their homework before promising a console release and is now too far in the process for them to “jump ship”.

With that, they also don’t want to split the player base and put in the extra work to appease the PC player base.

[edgy hearth]

Bruh it’s just some minor changes it’s not that deep.

[shy tulip]

The first assumes that it is only casual players and not people with genuine investment in the game who want to play with their console friends

[tawdry stag]

we need a swat raid to sony hq without roe and toc bro

[shy tulip]

The second is probably moreso true in the sense of developing these features only to be told by the consoles "comply or fuck off"

[forest summit]

The changes seem really minor

People are making a big deal out of something that doesn't need to be

[tall knoll]

Except it is

[tawdry stag]

i dont think anyone actually cares about changes they are just angry because they censored the game

we saw dongs now we dont i dont care but censorship is what made people really angry thanks to sony

[muted star]

Ye, they will probably play regardless

[shy tulip]

My hot take of the season is that most of this is because the changes have to happen for console

if it was somewhere like the UK (random country) forcing the changes onto Steam, something tells me it would be very different

[tawdry stag]

i bought supporter back in 2022 i am glad i did i will play no matter what but today was a bad day for ron community imo

[tall knoll]

Two branches is the best way

[edgy hearth]

It won’t even be that censored 🤣, it’s just a few clothing added on and making the kid not convulsing which imo won’t take away from the fact that there’s a child who’s motionless in the middle of a gunfight with needles around.

[tall knoll]

And no more dismemberment when people are dead.

[muted star]

You couldn't do it anyway lol

[tall knoll]

Yes you can

[tawdry stag]

i wonder they are going to change neon tomb

hope not

[worldly zenith]

NO PLEASE NO I LOVE SHOOTING AMOS VOLLS DIH OFF

[shy tulip]

sanest RoN player

[tall knoll]

Who doesn’t lol

[tacit gull]

I mean you still can

[stone bay]

This is the same situation that happened when 1.0 release

[tall knoll]

But muh realism

[tacit gull]

Just not his legs or arms

[stone bay]

People was whining about the mods and some cut content

[tacit gull]

Oh people whine about mods every update

[tall knoll]

Yeah. I want the suspects hiding in closets and under beds back too

Another thing that was done to appease the casual players

[shy tulip]

Still there, the AI are just unlikely to do it for some reason

[stone bay]

It's not like the removed content adds much to the experience.

[tawdry stag]

they removed lots of content back in 1.0 launch

[muted star]

What's funny to me it's that nobody talks about improved animations for swat lol

[tacit gull]

well they only really showed off the shield

which i'm pretty sure they mightve shown off in the past

[muted star]

They did in blog sometime ago

[stone bay]

In one of the devlogs that talks about this update, the developers clarified that the AI ​​was bugged because they had problems with legacy code.

[tacit gull]

and like 3 arrest animations

[muted star]

Still pretty cool

[tacit gull]

It's a bit of a nothingburger newsletter in comparison to censorship which nobody likes 😭

they could have mentioned the new movement we saw on the creator videos

[muted star]

Truee

Alr enough talk, gimme my refund after 200h

[shy tulip]

Meh, kinda leaning towards them just making the entie letter about console changes with before/after

They could've put like 5 new maps in there and I think people would still only read the changes

[tacit gull]

avp dropping the strip gerard mod and dipping

[worldly zenith]

My spas12 has been gone forever miss it so

[muted star]

I'm really tempted to put an config with 1hp for the player

Would mention it in the description even

[lone cloud]

mods dont even matter until we get sdk thats when the real shit drops

[muted star]

Nobody would read it tho

[tacit gull]

player dies upon seeing gerard naked again

[muted star]

Heart attack mod

[tacit gull]

lmao put the first download as that and the 2nd mod is the real one

[stone bay]

People dont like to read

mfs in reddit spreading missinformation like crazy

[muted star]

Haha gotta take notes on this one

[frail pier]

I hope modders bring back Gerard meat

Bro was the whole butchery

[wraith gale]

the mods gonna go crazy after the update

[frail pier]

This has a double meaning😭

If the discord mods here weren't already

[worldly zenith]

No dingalings is gonna be the downfall of ready or not...

[wraith gale]

[celest herald]

I take it everyone doesn’t like the dev update on toning down the material?

[crystal sierra]

Anyone else have problem where Graphic settings will be reset after each game restart? Nvidia Auto optimization is turned off.

[short crow]

Not everyone

People who don't understand the changes only

[shy tulip]

I don't think anyone is happy with it, but there's certainly layers to it

[celest herald]

I mean it makes sense from a business standpoint .. especially if don’t want 2 “separate” codes. It’s all in one

[still willow]

It doesn't bother me, but it's definitely funny the people who think the slight changes are taking away their money's worth.

[short crow]

Fr

[celest herald]

Idk I feel the shock factor was def a part of what made it stand out and more “realistic”

Maybe not even realism but it added to the shock and immersion a bit

[wraith gale]

theres still gonna be that shock factor

[short crow]

Void doesn't have a big name like other companies

[still willow]

I've seen videos of the game, so I know the scene of the child's convulsions, so the change from her doing that to being unconscious won't really detract for me.

[tacit gull]

Nothing really shocking is going to get cut, unless you get shocked by cock and balls

[short crow]

The realset thing i read today

[tacit gull]

The implications are still there

[still willow]

I think its the weird anger for not being able to dismember downed suspects thats strange to me

[tacit gull]

And they're already PAINFULLY obvious

[wraith gale]

exactly. people acting like they cut a fundamental feature

[short crow]

People looking for anything to cry about

They won't notice

[wraith gale]

you cant dismember dead bodies in CoD and i dont see people complaining

[still willow]

Lot of bullet holes tho

W tiny details tho

[celest herald]

^ I saw complaining about that. Is that just saying like shooting a dead person won’t like remove their limbs or whatever

[tacit gull]

Yeah that's it

[short crow]

Only wounds are on dead bodies

You can shoot and wounds will appear

[tacit gull]

It sucks and it can lead to feeling less responsive but it's not massive

[short crow]

On dead bodies

[still willow]

I heard that the new grenade launcher would take up a primary slot is that silly information I've learned

[tacit gull]

Mods will also fix it instantly

[tacit gull]

it's true

[still willow]

Frick yeah I like that lol

Does that mean I'd have to be like pistol only for defense

[short crow]

Its lethal right?

[tacit gull]

No

[short crow]

Noooooo

[still willow]

Uhhh from what ik I think only gas and flash

[celest herald]

Didn’t there used to be a mechanic where the suspects hid in closets and you could hear them and they would pop out and such

[still willow]

Maybe stingers I think as thier called

[tacit gull]

There still is, its mainly used by civs now though

[still willow]

Thats kinda chill tho idm having a tradeoff like that

[celest herald]

But it’s possible for suspects to still use it?

[tacit gull]

yyyyyees..?

maybe

[celest herald]

I haven’t seen it yet tbh

[still willow]

I heard for them to hide they aren't armed suspects

[tacit gull]

I'm not sure, it's so rare anyway that it might aswell not be in the game

[celest herald]

I remember when there used to be different game modes to different maps

[hollow cove]

I learned that it is up to Sony that Void Interactive has to change something in order to be allowed to publish it on Consoles…FUCK SONY & MICROSOFT 😤😤😤😤😤😡😡😡

[tacit gull]

AI mods make it happen a lot more

[still willow]

I can't wait any longer.....

[celest herald]

I miss those game modes idk what happened

[wraith gale]

they only added cloth to naked characters and removed the ability to dismember a dead body.

didnt really do crazy stuff

[celest herald]

Only naked character I remember is the informant?

Ohhh but there’s also the port hokah

I do really wonder what the reason is though cause like… in gta you can see. breasts and other games do have nudity. I wonder if it’s context

[wraith gale]

the container, and gerards pp was visible so they covered that

[long dome]

It was initially only used by suspects and it looked quite ridiculous when a guy with G3A3 one-tapped you as soon as you've opened the lid.. with his weapon still pointing at his feet 😂
I've not seen a closet monster in a while, it basically went away entirely after a certain AI update. Civis are usually hiding in a corner or under desks and whatnot, never seen a civ in a closet to date.

Even the under-the-bed hiding spot is now quite rare compared to the initial update it was introduced in.

[wraith gale]

i killed chat again im sorry

[viscid arch]

The changes are only for Sony or Microsoft aswell?

[wraith gale]

no

[tacit gull]

For everything

[celest herald]

I remember when suspects would hide under the bed

[viscid arch]

Dang well yeah they’re more strict about stuff like that but I’m sure it won’t ruin the immerison

[hollow cove]

Ok

[celest herald]

I guess a weak counter argument for this would to not stand directly in front of a door and open it lol

[long dome]

They still do iirc, but it's super rare.

[celest herald]

If I’m a suspect and some cop opens the door and is standing right in front of me. Gonna blast his ass

Weapon pointed at the ground could probably be a model thing so the weapon doesn’t clip through the closet door

[viscid arch]

Did they ever change that animation where the thug is lowering their gun while they’re pointing it at you?

[tacit gull]

Yes

[viscid arch]

What’s it look like now?

[celest herald]

What happened there?

[long dome]

If you can't create a believable gameplay mechanic for technical reason, why bother implementing it in the first place ?
That sounds like a scope creep issue to me.

I wonder if it was removed from AI for this very reason.

[viscid arch]

People sometimes mistake it as them trying to shoot you sneakily

[celest herald]

Ohh

[viscid arch]

And then they get penalized yk

[tacit gull]

It should be somewhere in #dev-updates

[viscid arch]

Thank you man

[long dome]

Change ? Yes. Fix/remove ? No.

they still point the gun in your general direction, sometimes they have a bad anim blend when they try to toss it above them so you still "accidentally" shoot the mofo.

[celest herald]

I think I saw that a couple times….. I wouldn’t just shoot unless got shot at. But makes sense in a high stakes environment

Can easily be mistaken

[viscid arch]

Wow that’s absurd

[viscid arch]

I’ve seen it a number of times, especially when the user is on low health, I understand why they wouldn’t want to take any chances

[long dome]

Nah it's fine really as it's rare.

What's absurd however is non-cooperating civy pulling up a phone and subsequently getting shot by pepper ball which results in a RoE penalty for some reason. That's both dumb and.. not believable nor realistic from RoE standpoint.

[celest herald]

I do see people getting penalized and do show critiques here and there for the grading system but I personally haven’t had any issues. If your not a trigger happy dude it should be fine

[celest herald]

Yea there’s always that small thing that happens.

[long dome]

Even less rare is civy suddenly standing up literally in the direct line of fire for some dumb reason.
That¨s so incredibly immersion breaking nonsense.

[celest herald]

Some people in here are really trigger happy though hahah

[ionic gale]

That’s such bullshit Yee

Like I’m sorry? Please comply.?

[long dome]

Honestly speaking the RoE is so incredibly inconsistent that we have had "trigger happy" runs that resulted in less RoE penalties than a careful approach

[celest herald]

Game also kinda feels lame when not played with the right people either

Like I don’t expect everyone to know how to do things but. Like it 1000 times better when people know how to stack follow PDC, and do it somewhat “right”

[viscid arch]

That’s a little immersion breaking for me as the last thing I think anyone would do in an imminent life threatening situation is pull out their phone. I totally agree that the penalizing is stupid and all.

[ionic gale]

Yeah, it is much better with a coordinated squad or simply just fucking around with your friends

[viscid arch]

Ppl are dumb tho so

[celest herald]

Yea I get why they did it to throw off the player. But no ones gonna do that. And jsut quickly pull out my phone

[tacit gull]

You'd be surprised

[celest herald]

Let me reach into my pocket like I’m drawing a side arm and draw it out directly at you like I’m about to present

[viscid arch]

Ive seen people do dumb things but thats off the charts dumb

[long dome]

This ^ people IRL are dumb AF.

So that Phone Pulling isn't the problem, it's the RoE penalties when the civy is non-cooperative.

[celest herald]

Screw it just shoot everyone in the building. No one can complain if everyone dead

[viscid arch]

Imo, I think the only mission where phone pulling is immersive is the college map

[celest herald]

I still think that maps needs no bombs… more Civvies and like 1-2 shooters less.

but that’s just me cause I’m a hardi

[long dome]

Been there, done that

[ionic gale]

Oh elephant?

That’s because the map was inherently based on Columbine

[celest herald]

There were bombs in columbine? I think I heard that. They were trying to plant stuff yea?

[ionic gale]

Fuck man, the map is named after a movie called Elephant, which is about the Columbine massacre

[celest herald]

Didn’t recognize that ^

[ionic gale]

The bombs never detonated , but yeah, there were definitely bombs there

[celest herald]

Ahh. I wish the grace period was shorter before they shoot civvies

[orchid comet]

columbine was crazy dude

[viscid arch]

Were you alive to see it on the news or sum

[orchid comet]

they had like shotguns with slug ammunition

[celest herald]

There’s a really good. High school map still in the works. I saw on nexus. Pretty detailed

[long dome]

The bomb threats were nerfed to oblivion so they became a non-issue once you learn what to prioritize. Not a bad thing tbh, since now the maps are playable solo or in duo rather than requiring full team.

[orchid comet]

haven’t, but I seen a documentary about it

[celest herald]

Fair

[celest herald]

Bro was like I WAS THERE

[viscid arch]

Ah well yeah the documentaries cover every aspect

[viscid arch]

That was my impression at first😭

[orchid comet]

yall know about the Las Vegas massacre?

[viscid arch]

2017?

[orchid comet]

yup

[viscid arch]

Yup

That one was crazy to me

[ionic gale]

I heard snippets about it when I got older but I was young enough that I didn’t really know about it back then

[viscid arch]

I never heard of it until like two months ago and Im shocked I never did before

[orchid comet]

that’s like top five government schemes

[ionic gale]

I heard about all the crazy ass conspiracy theories how it was a ploy in order to restrict guns but I’m not gonna get into that

[orchid comet]

im thinking that as a ready or not map but it would get controversial

[celest herald]

Literally barisaa cove

[ionic gale]

The school map was already controversial in it of itself

[orchid comet]

true

[viscid arch]

It may be too soon to make it a map but the idea isn’t bad at all to me atleast

[celest herald]

Yea I have military buddies that had buddies who were also in the military there and they def were like there were multiple shooters for sure

[viscid arch]

But the controversy would be out of hand

[celest herald]

Barissa cove is the Las Vegas shooting

[orchid comet]

If they added that, void interactive would have a chance to get sued

[celest herald]

They just changed the hotel to apartments

[orchid comet]

really? what’s the map about

[viscid arch]

Never heard of barissa cove im
ngl

[ionic gale]

It was our first encounter with the militant group “the left behind” which they’re trying to kill the Governor

[celest herald]

Brisa* not barissa

[ionic gale]

It’s because he’s slashing the budget of the VA

[viscid arch]

Brisa mb

[orchid comet]

brisa*

[ionic gale]

The Left Behind is probably one of the more sadder and antagonists

[jolly jackal]

I feel like they reverted 1.0's ai back to the 2022 build somehow

[ionic gale]

I mean, there is the immigrant family in the end of the earths mission where where they got to sell illegal goods in order to pay for their mother’s cancer treatment

[celest herald]

Is that the the beach house one

[viscid arch]

Yeah

[celest herald]

I think I did that in 90 seconds with my team S run

[viscid arch]

Dude the multiple stories in RoN is amazing

[shy tulip]

The masses crave RoN NFTs

[viscid arch]

Cooked

[ionic gale]

You can probably feel bad for the Vineyard Cult as well

[viscid arch]

Is that the group of women?

[orchid comet]

in the vegas 2017 massacre he killed over 50+ people

[celest herald]

You mean the group of baddies

[orchid comet]

Maybe over 100+ injured

[ionic gale]

If you go into the lore of that map, I’m pretty sure that most of the members are abuse/SA victims, who joined the group in order to have some sort of safe space or maybe even interact a little bit or revenge on the people who hurt them

[ionic gale]

Idk man

[viscid arch]

bazalrighttt

[celest herald]

Yea that’s basically the story

[ionic gale]

Elaine is chopped shyt to me personally ngl

[orchid comet]

they should add like a airport map

[ionic gale]

Especially look at the evidence board if you read it then you could look at a bunch of dudes that I’m guessing they’re almost forming a hit list for

[orchid comet]

where you have to clear every terminal

[ionic gale]

Also, of course, the usual schizo shit and other references to other maps like Amos Voll apparently may get released at the prison in which

[viscid arch]

I remember looking at a video of an officers bodycam with other cops talking about the location of the shooter. In the video you could see in the distance the vegas hotel and to me it was menacing cause it’s anyones guess where the shooter is from the perspective of the officer.

[ionic gale]

I don’t know if that’s gonna happen… even then, as soon as Amos walks out of that courthouse he’s gonna instantly get murked by the greater public probably

[pearl grove]

Hi.

[orchid comet]

apparently they said “it’s coming from the hotel” it’s surprising how from many directions you can just randomly see it

some people called 911 and they said it was coming from helicopters

the shots were identical to a M249

also there was reports of 3 helicopters turning off their tracking radars 3 seconds before the shooting

after it was done they turned it back on

[viscid arch]

Yea no government scheme

[orchid comet]

definitely

it’s crazy how people don’t even talk about it anymore

[viscid arch]

I want that horror in an RoN mission im not sure if that’s messed up to say but the chaos and confusion i could only imagine was widespread in that shooting

[shy tulip]

Out of respect for people who have died, can we not make conspiracies out of mass shootings (especially in the game chat)

[orchid comet]

yeah

[viscid arch]

yup

[short crow]

Does the game have bodycam?

Saw it in trailer

[tawny saffron]

I think thats when you’re spectating, right? Or something? Im sorry i haven’t watched much gameplay.

[short crow]

Appreciate it

[tawny saffron]

I think you can just have it pulled up to see what your teammate is seeing during the mission as well

[crude prism]

You're probably thinking of this vid.

It's not really a "RoN works this way" video, as much as it is a history on law enforcement tactics, body armor, and real-life vulnerability

To torso hitzone extends down to roughly my example drawing, there is no difference in effect in-game

[stable kernel]

Muh realistic swat shooter without the 100% realism

[forest summit]

So the massive arteries in your legs are fake, gotcha

[vague locust]

the reason the ai laser your legs is because theyre scared of your big strong chest

but your skinny aaa legs from a leg day skipping fool aint shiiiiit

[stable kernel]

Not entirely, the game does have consideration that certain ammo types to the thighs, upper arm, and neck have significant arterial bleed chance which kills the suspect in a matter of seconds

But the pelvis is lumped into the chest which doesn't have that effect so you know

heart shot=good to go

[crude prism]

Nah. Just lower down.

Specifically these places.

[stable kernel]

Mr fancy graphics man

Add that on your resume

[crude prism]

yeah yeah, only the highest quality paint drawings here baby

[desert seal]

just me or is RoN a lot more unstable? Can barely get through a mission without it crashing

[crude prism]

there hasn't been an update in a while, if you're having issues now I would check any mod changes or hardware issues

[desert seal]

havent played modded yet so ill check drivers rq and go from there

[forest summit]

The artery doesn't skip a part of your body

See #🎨ron-screenshots-and-art

[crude prism]

ik ik, it's just a reference for how RoN designates the hitzones for the arterial bleed mechanics

[short crow]

@crude prism you work with void?

[crude prism]

nop

[short crow]

How you know that much

[tall knoll]

I hope they fix mirrors and reflections at some point

[crude prism]

hating is my second career at this point

[short crow]

💀

[crude prism]

The real answer is that I created [THE SPREADSHEET] and we're in the process of writing up a new wikigg for the game, since the fandom one is so depricated

[prisma tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/furious-the-death-of-stalin-general-zhukov-gif-6511231437583908098

[crude prism]

ah that's a good one I gotta edit my pfp over it, yoink

[crude prism]

me when Void won't let me beanbag gerard in the bare nuts anymore

[worldly zenith]

Screw void for this move

[torpid meteor]

in the console world, men/trans/nonbinary dont have nuts

thats basically whats being said lol

[worldly zenith]

L microsoft L sony and probably L nintendo but theyve been taking Ls all year

[torpid meteor]

welcome to enshitification sadly

[worldly zenith]

Mannn

/trans/nonbinary

[torpid meteor]

i had to include all types in case

[worldly zenith]

Yeah

[torpid meteor]

anyway, im not updating my game on steam

if i do, ill do that and use a seven seas version prior to the update

so i can have the non butchered one and the legit one

[worldly zenith]

Damn bro its just some nuts are you gay or sum

[torpid meteor]

im talking about the other stuff from the dev log

[elder void]

Yep, so this censorship is certainly proof the Consoles are cancer for FPS games or ANY SERIOUS games for that matter. Seen the writing on the wall since 2009! A decent INDIE company like VOID Interactive can do without the console $$$.

[worldly zenith]

What else are they doing?

[torpid meteor]

i cant say the n word here

and i dont mean THAT n word, the non clothing one

[dapper hornet]

Guys, blame the ESRB.

If they kept these in, they would be AO rated and wouldn't be able to sell it commercially. This is only local changes also, PC isn't affected. Like PS5/Xbox players in the lobby will see the changes while you won't.

If you want the full experience, play on PC, while Console is censored.

[torpid meteor]

PC is affected! They said it

[dapper hornet]

I thought they said it was local.

[torpid meteor]

i dont think so

i doubt they want 2 branches of code

[dapper hornet]

I'm sure people will make mods to restore content anyway.

You'll find it on Basedmods or something lol

[worldly zenith]

Or nexus

[torpid meteor]

unless animation files are editiable, good luck with that too

[dapper hornet]

I ment textures or model edits. Probably animation swaps for that though.

[torpid meteor]

I don't know anything about animation on the game so my opinion isn't valid there

[torpid meteor]

fair

[dapper hornet]

Apparently it's just the kid seizing out on the bed and gore dismemberment.

[torpid meteor]

ok well in real life people have seisures

so why not in game? just call the kid a 5000 year old dragon/ s

but yeah too much gore could be an issue too

[dapper hornet]

Also some nudity had to be changed cause again, worried about a AO rating.

[torpid meteor]

ive seen my share of drug addicts in real life and seen how bad it can get

so it doesnt scar me anymore

[dapper hornet]

Console certification is ass but it has to be done to make it for the market.

[worldly zenith]

My boy gerard lost his manhood 💔 this is UNNACCEPTABLE

[torpid meteor]

why the hell do americans ruin things

"OMG A NIPPLE"

[worldly zenith]

Hey its not us its the console industry 🥀

[torpid meteor]

if americans had their way, they'd censor nipples on newborns when they're born

lol

[dapper hornet]

Outlast was lucky to get on Console cause there is a option to add pixelation to the models to censor it.

[worldly zenith]

Theyd say its 23 megabytes a second or sum

[torpid meteor]

yeah true, maybe some censors or make it blurred

[worldly zenith]

Esrb should make an exeption for my boy gerard tho 💔

[torpid meteor]

sigh

i feel like this server is chinese

cant even say nu--

[dapper hornet]

That should be an option they should add to get around censoring nudity, an option in accessibility to add pixelation to nudity and/or gore.

Then the ESRB would be like "Yeah, that's alright. There is censoring options."

[torpid meteor]

wait, how can you say nudity but i cant?

oh i can XD

anyway nudity is not s--ual its a body, AO rating is for "acts", there are NO acts in the game

[worldly zenith]

What hold on if gerard doesnt have his dong out then he COULD actually be a girl

[torpid meteor]

back in my day, PG movies had nudity, and no one freaked out

but now we gotta act like Christians 24/7

anyway im sounding like a drunk grandpa, gonna shut up

[worldly zenith]

I mean theres uhh... valley of the dolls..

[torpid meteor]

isn't that the CSAM thing? i dont recvall children being literally molested on there live

if so, then the devs need to be in prison and on a list

[worldly zenith]

True

[dapper hornet]

Mainly to appeal to a whole demographic.
You'd have 1 person who is a christian playing the game and then one who has a dixie flag on his wall lol

There is no winning, someone will get upset.

[torpid meteor]

sadly

RON is still a good game, don't get me wrong.I just wish pc wasn't censored like consoles

[worldly zenith]

Everyone needs to be nicer to gerard man he's a VETRAN

[torpid meteor]

yes 🙂

[forest summit]

People are trying to review bomb the game over almost nothing, excuse me wtf

[short crow]

Real, people these days judge early and stubborn asf

[forest summit]

100% agree with that take, we do not know the full extent and from what we know its not that bad

[short crow]

Exactly

[tall knoll]

@shy tulip Why are people being muted?

[shy tulip]

Who

[forest knot]

I finally cleared Elephant

I realized I just didn't have time to bother with civs, so I just ran and gunned down all of the terrorists before I did the bombs and civs

[short crow]

Its to comply with rating rules

[shy tulip]

Correct, you can view the details in #dev-updates and the pins of general

[short crow]

You won't notice anything

Dw about it people are mad for smth they haven't understood

[shy tulip]

I dunno what changes (besides the ones mentioned) are coming to gore/VOIP

Think so

[stable kernel]

In regards to changes coming to the game with the Free-LC/Console update:

First: read the dev blog https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1144200/view/526472884483260567 and the addendums to it: #dev-updates message and #dev-updates message . VOID has also issued a clarification with the changes and images: #announcements message

Further, Gruntr has given some insights on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/ReadyOrNotGame/comments/1lm4ftv/yeah_i_dont_like_the_censorship_changes/n06n10v/ and https://www.reddit.com/r/ReadyOrNotGame/comments/1lm4ftv/yeah_i_dont_like_the_censorship_changes/n06jb3h/ and https://www.reddit.com/r/ReadyOrNotGame/comments/1lnyrjk/comment/n0j8spq/?context=3 and https://www.reddit.com/r/ReadyOrNotGame/comments/1lmzu38/comment/n0i1sdg/?context=3

This information is communicated to us through @gaunt gale and @timber mesa , who speak on behalf of the actual dev team. If you seek further clarification, search for posts from the VOID staff in this Discord. Information shared by regular (non-moderator and non-VOID) server members may not be accurate or complete.

Q: What is the reason content had to be changed/altered?
A: Compliance with console storefront regulations and certain regional media laws.

Q: What all has been changed/altered?
A: Across both platforms: Dismemberment of bodies or incapacitated people and certain instances of full nudity (examples: Port Container, Gerard Scott, Narcos Informant)
Additionally, only on consoles versions: certain textures pertaining to the exploitation of children

Q: Will more content be altered or censored in the future?
A: No. The game has already been certified through ratings boards. The game will not need more changes due to this.

Q: How come only textures are different for console but nudity had to be removed on PC as well?
A: A different model would be an entirely different asset and would require two separate game builds. However, with texture changes the overall model is the same and would be no different than having a reskin mod where only those who have it installed can see the change.

Q: Why does the PC version need altered if its only console regulations?
A: For sake of parity and better compatibility with crossplay between platforms. With two separate game builds crossplay would be extremely difficult or outright impossible to add and would increase the likelihood of bugs or other issues.

Q: Is there still gore and dismemberment?
A: Yes, the same gore systems are still in the game and even have more improved and detailed models coming for both platforms. The only change is you can no longer dismember already dead bodies further than they were at the time of death. You can still shoot bodies and see bullet/blood effects.

Q: Will there be any changes to the tone, atmosphere, or storytelling to the game?
A: No, nothing about the games narrative or missions will be altered outside of the already discussed minor changes to textures or nudity. All topics seen or implied in the game currently will still be there.

[vale wave]

The informant is the best part because it shows the brutality of the cartel i really hope it wont get changed too much

[shy tulip]

Should be the same except maybe they didn't whip his peener

https://tenor.com/view/pp-bailiff-whack-his-pee-pee-bailiff-whack-his-pp-funny-hillary-clinton-gif-27691716

[honest jetty]

What is with the censor?

the stupid anti vape spotify ad plays a heart monitor sound that sounds similar to a dead teamnate on cameras i keep thinking someone ddied

[ember garden]

So with all this censoring what about the club mission will the bomber still turn into chunks?

Or is it going to be fairy dust now?

[shy tulip]

There is no change to the suicide bomber

[humble mauve]

the only change to the gore system is you can no longer dismember dead bodies

if they blow up while alive then they will still be blown up

[lethal karma]

huge L imo. Disgusting and unnecessary? Yes, but you you could say that about most features or themes in the game.

[shy tulip]

Blame whichever reviewer/platform told Void they can't

[lethal karma]

I blame Void, at least in part, for agreeing to this in the first place. PC players have been hear since day one so I fell just a tad entitled to not want to give an inch.

[celest umbra]

I'm really confused about the backlash about the recent news

[rough dust]

Honestly its not fully the fault of void but more of the console store fronts (sony) and its sad that void even has to worry about an AO rating

[tall carbon]

Why isn't dismembering corpses allowed on console platforms? So many other games have corpse dismemberment on console platforms. Take Mordhau for example.

[still willow]

Edgy people upset they can't dismember dead body's

[rough dust]

I guess its just a kind of privilage from more influencial publishers and developers that the console producer are dependent on

[stone bay]

not to be edgy but if i shoot a terrorist with a 12 gauge i want him to pop

[humble mauve]

they still do when you shoot them while alive

you just can't continue to dismember them after death

[lethal karma]

Part of what got me to buy into this game in the first place was the downright disgusting amount of realism and pain on display. These types of situations aren't nice, or clean. They are sick and upsetting. My first time opening a shipping container on Port, and seeing a deathly skinny naked woman, my stomach churned. To water that down, even in the slightest is to compromise their artistic vision.

[stone bay]

oh then that’s fair

[lethal karma]

which is a shame because that level of grossness help sell the illusion

[tall carbon]

Mordhau is made by a smaller studio than RoN

[still willow]

That should happen fr fr just like not if you give him the zombieland double tap

[humble mauve]

the gore is still as gross as it has always been #dev-updates message

[still willow]

Peak upsetti spaghettis

[rough dust]

I mean when gore intensity isnt really effectet then why change it so you cant shot a dead body more i mean at this point gore is already there

[still willow]

Bc why waste ammo for one bros meat at that point

[crude prism]

-you can't dismember noncombatants & civilians in mordhau
-the game is a depiction of war, not police work

[still willow]

Law breaking meat

Thats it AC-130 gunship in next dlc

[crude prism]

ratings agencies are notoriously fickle, prude, and unfair

the difference might not seem big to us, but the difference between a killing blow leading to dismemberment, versus the desecration of a corpse is all the world to them

(it takes just a single country requiring this change to shift your rating)

[humble mauve]

this
it's way more than x game has it so y game should also have it you have to consider the entire game as it comes in terms of its rating

[lethal karma]

it's not about being a edgy bastard and gibbing every body in sight like it's FONV. it's about clearing a room in a townhouse, chasing a suspect through a door way into a room with three dead suspects, tripping the trap on the door and all 4 of you being turned into vapor. And my friend watching the whole thing, unironically a bit shocked at the whole thing. Bodies being gibbable after death helps sell the illusion that these are real meaty humans with thoughts and wants and ambitions, and not just video game characters that cease to matter once they hit the floor.4

[rough dust]

yeah i mean at the end im not mad at void but rather some random ceo that decides this shit

[crude prism]

yeah it's just unfortunate, imo it's still a bummer, but not nearly the world ending event people are freaking about on the other forums

[tall carbon]

Some of the objectives in Mordhau are murder all the civilians.

[crude prism]

yeah yeah I know, but again, war

the hinging point is the environment surrounding the events

[rough dust]

yeah i mean at the end its a small hickup and i think this will be forgotten in less then 1 week

[lethal karma]

Same thing with the nudity. It's shocking, it provokes the player and elicits emotions. Tell me you did't want to go against protocol and slaughter every human trafficker on Port even if they surrender after seeing that poor woman, naked alone and afraid, locked in a shipping container for god knows how long.

[still willow]

Reddit has been pretty good tho for some giggles lmfao

[crude prism]

there's like 3 dudes spamming every post with "AVOID is a terrible company and is driving their game into the ground, they have been doing this for years" and then getting super hostile when people reply to them

[rough dust]

thats also why im kinda sad this is happening as i feel like its just part of the games dna and its important for the atmosphere, you probably wont miss it when its gone but i think i does add something to the gameplay that makes this game just a tad bit better

[amber dock]

VOID**🤓

[still willow]

I unironically find those posts the funniest shit ever

I think I'm more worried about having a buns default sens

[lethal karma]

Been a long time since a game affected me as RoN did, and to see them remove things that set them apart from the rest is highly disappointing, and even a bit frustrating. I bought into this years ago because I though VOID wasn't afraid to push boundaries and really go for it. I applauded when they told Team17 (I think) to FO when they wanted them to axe Elephant, because I saw a team of artists who would never compromise their artistic vision. Now? I see the first inklings of a downhill slide into mass appeal and mediocrity.

[rough dust]

i mean i wouldnt see it as being this deep but your kinda right

[floral bramble]

neat

[floral bramble]

i gues they... weren't ready for backlash

i'm so funny

[crude prism]

boooooooooooo

[floral bramble]

[lethal karma]

For me, it's also less about what we are losing, and more about why we are losing it. I remember when the game didn't have any gibbing whatsoever (wasn't all that long ago), and it was just as intense an experience. People are freaking out because this is supposed to be an uncompromised experience. This was branded from day one as a disgusting look at some of the shit that Swat teams (rarely) go through. Not just physically, but mentally. Seeing all that trauma and pain on full display is horrifying. Makes you think differently. "Do I really want to risk my life trying to take this shitbag alive?" is not a thought process many other games bring to mind. So to bend a knee for a console launch breaks the illusion of an uncompromised experience. Players will be asking themselves with every sucessive update, "Did the developers pull their punches when designing this? Did they leave something out to appease console companies?" I don't know about y'all, but wit a game like this, I don't ever want to have to question if I am playing the true unadulterated experience of blasting pedophiles and human traffickers, or if I'm playing the watered down Sony approved unaliving minor attracted persons and people movers.

[prisma tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-sponge-bob-disgusted-merlinators-gif-25385381

[lethal karma]

I guarantee will never get a map like Elephant again. As someone who suffered multiple credible shooting threats through high school, it feels nice to pretend that maybe this time I can do something about it.

[crude prism]

there is always a compromise, in order to get an 18+ rating in the first place, you have to compromise

Void has shown they are willing to push the envelope up-to the limits of AO, as they have for years.

Unfortunately that clashes with Microsoft and Sony's terms.

At the end of the day, are we really making the argument for "console should just never get the game?" when it was ALWAYS intended to get there? (since back in 2017)
Some people might say yes, and that's fine. Just don't act like Void is doing this for no reason out of the blue.

There's a push and pull between tons of different countries and review boards all bouncing off of Void. Kaminsky has stated multiple times that they WILL NOT do anything more than absolutely necessary in order to get the game where it belongs. All consoles, 4 way crossplay.

(also not a single review board cared about the school shooting level, lol)

[urban mural]

That pic reminded me of the zombies from resident evil movies...

[still willow]

Peak tbh

[glad stirrup]

mfs when their game doesn’t have CP place holders and SA

[deft star]

new here, is there any place to see videos or pics of people using the map planning system in the briefing room? would love to see how people clear buildings differently

[amber dock]

Probs not

Because the preplanning system isn’t useful enough to warrant its use

[lethal karma]

Think of me what you will, but if that's all you got out of that comment, then I feel for your primary school teachers. 30 second no thinking gotcha comments are inane. You disagree? Think about it for a second and write down why you feel that these changes aren't that big of a deal. Communicate, don't inundate.

[frozen seal]

Deeper than that and you know it, cmon

Though I’m fine with the censorship for the most part, only thing I don’t really like being changed was the overdosing child

[vague locust]

i was trying to get him with ricochets with a shield, might not be killable

[valid spade]

100% my feelings and perception of the current situation

[floral bramble]

[valid spade]

Most genuine and positive community interaction.

[soft minnow]

I might eat u

[floral bramble]

Hmmm....I could live with that

Well I couldn't

Bit i wouldn't mind as much

[crude prism]

dont make me hit the alarm

[floral bramble]

Since i'm at least bringing nutrients

[crude prism]

alright that's it

[floral bramble]

😭 no like i was thinking of it poetically

[crude prism]

go directly to jail

[floral bramble]

Being shot is lame

[soft minnow]

Im in your walls

[floral bramble]

Damn, how's ghe brick tasting

[prisma tusk]

It was a pretty genuine reaction, yeah

[lethal karma]

I think console players should be able to have the game as the platform allows, I also don't think it is fair for PC players to have to be subject to a single iota of censorship because of another playform's needs. If that means having separate console and PC builds, then so be it.

[prisma tusk]

But you recognise it is a very small sacrifice, right?

[crude prism]

That's a valid take. Albeit selfish, in my opinion.

I get it.

[lethal karma]

"There's a push and pull between tons of different countries and review boards all bouncing off of Void. Kaminsky has stated multiple times that they WILL NOT do anything more than absolutely necessary in order to get the game where it belongs. All consoles, 4 way crossplay." Two things on this specifically: 1. None of the console requirements should affect PC players unless they opt in. Full stop. 2. What happens when "what is necessary" changes? What happens when a review board thinks that the Nightclub level is too based in reality? What happens when some sicko shoots up a hospital and suddenly the hospital map is just a bit too relevant? Will the devs capitulate and remove more content as the goal posts move? My guess is they absolutely will. Cash is a helluva substance and once you get a taste...

[crude prism]

certification cannot be removed, companies cannot come back and "nuh uh" you, which is why older, and MUCH MORE VIOLENT games still exist on microsoft/sony platforms

[prisma tusk]

Once again, a colossal "what if" burger. They were certified for console, they can't just change their mind now and chip away at the game.

[crude prism]

"1. None of the console requirements should affect PC players unless they opt in. Full stop"

Again. I don't like that it affects PC, but if this is the price for crossplay it doesn't bother me.

We can have differing opinions on this, it's fine man.

[lethal karma]

I acknowledge that it is a very self centered take on my part, and normally I am one of the ones laughing when people squee over the newest moral outrage. But I do feel a bit entitled on this one because RoN started on PC, and I personally have been player and growing with the game for like 5-6 years. That, and RoN is something I genuinely care about, and I definitely have some hurt feelings over this. Small unimportant change it may be, it is still the devs pivoting their vision for money. When all they ever seemed to exude is that they would never do that, and then they went and did it. It stings.

[lethal karma]

Bullshit. If Sony stepped in and said that they had to remove a level or be delisted, do you really think Void is gonna take SEA to court and win?

[sly cosmos]

Are they taking out levels in the console edition

[lethal karma]

That, and if Void has been shown to capitulate once. It breaks all trust that they wont do it again.

[lethal karma]

No it is a worry of mine that they may in the future. As of right now, no.

[gloomy echo]

do yall think they would change voice lines? like make them more yellish and ig realistic?

[crude prism]

RoN was always intended for both platforms, since all the way back in 2017, PC just happened to be first.

When it finally came time for consoles, they got more pushback than expected from console review boards.

Microsoft and Sony are being unfair, RoN already has 18+ ratings for all relevant ratings boards and yet Microsoft and Sony just get to go "nuh uh" because they own the platforms.

It sucks, man.

[sly cosmos]

I mean, doesn’t the ESRB have the adult rating A+?

Games rarely get that rating, but it might help

[prisma tusk]

I think the odds of that happening are unbelievable low, let alone the damage to Sony's reputation, and potential illegalities and contractual breaches.

Again, you can say "what if" to just about everything, and have a semblance of a theoretical scenario where something bad happens. It's just not likely, and is borderline dooming.

[humble mauve]

AO is essentially a death sentence for games

[lethal karma]

Makes me giggle because in Dead Island 2 you can dice a corpse up post-mortem until they look like a meat rack at the grocery store. Shit actual churns my stomach it is so anatomically correct. Yet a realistic portrale of swat scenarios is too much. Lmao.

[humble mauve]

basically no retailer will carry them

[sly cosmos]

I think specs the line may have had more graphic scenes so it doesn’t really make sense

[timber mesa]

@lethal karma no levels were removed from the game

[crude prism]

AO would make Sony/Microsoft drop the game from the store

[sly cosmos]

Oh

My b

[eager walrus]

We’re still complaining about it?

[timber mesa]

We do actually have some new voicelines for SWAT AI, they yell a bit more saying things like ‘shots fired’

[lethal karma]

Yall remember Payday 2 skingate? How skins were only cosmetic and never pay to win? Within like 3 months difficulty curves were adjusted and skins absolutely buffed stats, i.e. P2W. Companies lie all the time, not out of malice, usually out of circumstance. Void has the best of intentions saying that they absolutely won't change the game further, because that is currently true. But when the cards are on the table and big boy Sony says you gotta do XYZ or we remove you from our store, VOID will absolutely do XYZ. They are already in too deep, too much money and manpower on the line. And Sony absolutely will change the deal down the line. Look at Helldivers 2.

[warped crest]

im thinking about getting the game on console. Should i get the deluxe edition

[sly cosmos]

Who up frenching their fry rn

[crude prism]

We've given the inch. Let me know when we get to the mile.

until then, doomposting cringe (okay this is a little too baity, ignore bottom comment)

[eager walrus]

What about Helldivers 2? How people like you crying about every single thing the dev does they don’t like has resulted in the game becoming a shadow of what it was?

[gloomy echo]

thats honestic sick, is it just the ai? or does judge also get more voice lines aswell?

[timber mesa]

judge doesn’t really do those kinds of automatic voicelines atm

[lethal karma]

But I'm so tired of taking the mile right up my flash launcher, and it would be nice if I could have one place of respite. Once new experience that the carpet doesn't get ripped out from under. Cod MW2019, Rocket League, Payday 2 (and 3), Overwatch, R6S etc: all games that were a lot of fun while it lasted, but over time the experience got degraded and watered down from chasing that bag. To see the first warning signs of RoN doing the same thing elicites a strong reaction, and for that I am sorry.

[lethal karma]

If you wanna catch the big fish you gotta try better bait 😉

[lethal karma]

me honestly anxiety frenching my shit rn

[light aurora]

I did

[eager walrus]

Ew no.

[burnt chasm]

How about when on progress of clearing, swat ai commenting like "prescott, clear here"

[timber mesa]

Yeah don’t they already do that tho?

[burnt chasm]

I mean like more variation

Swat 4 is more lively when doing clearing

[timber mesa]

ah, part of why is that in commander mode you have officers with tons of different possible names

Not sure if there’s been changes on those voicelines for the quickplay officer roster tho

One thing that is nice about voicelines is on Stolen Valor you have civilians shouting out from nearby apartments and stuff, also reacting to your gunshots/if you shoot at their buildings

[burnt chasm]

Also do the game planned to have dynamic conversation like the dialog when swats seeing some scene, are not locked to 1 but two and more that turns into little conversation

[timber mesa]

nah not atm. We experimented with ideas like that way early on but probably not

[burnt chasm]

Oh shucks

[timber mesa]

if you mean like talking to suspects one on one to get them to surrender and stuff

[burnt chasm]

I mean where the swat ai seeing a disturbing stuff and like anything they comment to their squads

[timber mesa]

ah yeah

it’s possible, don’t know that it’s planned though

[burnt chasm]

Atm the squad and each of the characters lacked some background story and lore i like to seeing it in the future and not focused only for judge

[warped crest]

thx

[timber mesa]

what judge lore

[burnt chasm]

We are enough with judge lore already, dont start me with judge bodypillow

[lethal karma]

That is already in the game. In SP AI teammates will comment on things they see.

[burnt chasm]

Its not fleshed out and its generic. Judge opening a container full of victim of human trafficking and interrupted by fisa are kind of example that i want implented more in the future

[lethal karma]

Whoops upon reading your comment further I understand what you meant. And yeah no deep lore conversations, just one liners.

[frozen ivy]

hi i just bought the game, where is the practice mode?

I want to be able to restart missions and online it says practice mode but I don't see it

[warped cave]

That's quickplay i believe, which you gotta go to singleplayer and then press quickplay

[frozen ivy]

but I don't have missions there except ones I do in commander right?

I want to play the game but with restart

[crude prism]

You can unlock missions for quick play by doing commander mode.

Or, alternatively, host a private multiplayer lobby, which will have all maps available, but no AI teammates

[frozen ivy]

I want commander basically but with restart

I don't care about the progressions thing

Like I want a normal campaign basically

also is there a mod to remove or reduce the timers in single player?

I feel 20s ready up is a bit excessive

[gray crest]

Simple mod menu lets you start right away i believe

[crude prism]

Yeah, simple mod menu would also let you circumvent unlocking missions for quickplay

[frozen ivy]

ah cool it has practice mode too

thank god, saved me from refunding

[knotty sage]

What do you all think of the censorship for ronsle

[frozen ivy]

i dont get why they dont just add a unalive button if they want to keep the consequences thing

just something instead of restarting the whole game or waiting for an enemy to kill you

SMM is awesome though I can skip the police station too

[gray crest]

Always have a look around station now and then they add little bits of story around the place, good world building.

[crude prism]

Overall big nothing burger compared to the upsides we get with 4 platform crossplay.

if it's really a dealbreaker, people can cancel console pre-orders, or mod it out on PC.

Not really any gameplay changes rolling through, just several of the "in your face" environmental storytelling things are gonna get covered (like a few pairs of genitals, or child abuse content, being able to dismember all limbs on corpses)

[knotty sage]

I agree Reddit is pissed off with this

[spring knoll]

never look in the ready or not subreddit. literal manbaby central

[covert aurora]

Steam forums as well tbh

[crude prism]

honestly RoN not having a huge youtube/streaming presence is saving them a lot of trouble

you're not getting "THIS GAME IS CENSORING TO APPEASE SONY" posts from every single big name tuber (afaik, I haven't seen any pop up yet, and I do get recommended RoN content)

[spring knoll]

saw a big post with hundreds of upvotes calling for review bombing like
bro

you can’t desecrate corpses and some nudity is toned down slightly

this is not a dangerous anti-censorship precedent being sent, this is a one-time change for consoles

[spring knoll]

i’m glad i haven’t seen much ‘le anti-woke’ slop content so far outside of the subreddit

[crude prism]

I'm very annoyed that Void didn't preface the console pre-sale with this to be fair.

It feels pretty scummy that we're 2 weeks from launch and it's being mentioned now.

[spring knoll]

i booted up the game for the first time in a month today and was once again thoroughly impressed by how fucking good this game plays

[spring knoll]

fair

i just don’t think it’s a particularly big deal whatsoever

like the game still has billionaire pedophiles and mass shootings and school shootings so getting worked up over such inconsequential changes feels like the biggest self-report of all time

[crude prism]

RoN punches way above it's weightclass in quality, and development speed, compared to other tactical indie titles

cough 18 years in development Ground branch cough

[spring knoll]

i love the gunplay and i feel it’s the only game of this kind that has an explicit PvE focus which i am very thankful for

[covert aurora]

I get where your coming from. At least they are saying SOMETHING. Rather then nothing at all.

[spring knoll]

i’ve heard stalker 2 hits similar notes but my wallet can’t take that rn

[crude prism]

Yeah. You get a D-, not a fail

[frozen ivy]

bruh they shoot hostages before I even see them

[covert aurora]

Lol fair enough. I am just a mod not part of void.

[lethal karma]

I love stalker 2 but it comes no where close to the heart thumping intensity of RoN

[crude prism]

ik my G, it's the formal "YOU", aka big daddy void

[covert aurora]

Lol

[tiny quail]

It's literally just a slight chance why the fuck are these maniacs so pissy about it

god forbid the devs tone the game down a bit to fit into console guidelines like 😭

[crude prism]

I bet no PC players considered their version of the game would ever have to change to suit consoles, it is pretty out of the blue.

I am satisfied by Void's handling of the situation overall, but I get why someone wouldn't be.

[tiny quail]

also it's not all toned down right?

[crude prism]

hold on let me get the meme

[tiny quail]

you still get to see store owner's head being blown off dead in gas station regardless of what version you're in

it's clear the devs still try to potray a grim story, despite the censors

[crude prism]

(this, and the like are still possible on console build)

[stable kernel]

I trust VOID to be honest, but we shall have to wait and see for the update date. The listed changes are relatively minor in the grand scale.

[tiny quail]

what i cannot forgive them is censoring gerard scott's dick...

[stable kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-even-funnier-the-second-time-spongebob-spongebob-meme-meme-impact-font-gif-20058612

[crude prism]

do you have one of those but for the 10th+ time? we're gonna be there soon

[tiny quail]

i can't believe void did this...

[spring knoll]

this is literally it

it’s insane how completely batshit enraged people are going over it

[tiny quail]

visceral blood mod bout to get a boost in downloads

[stable kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-meme-day-tired-spongebob-gif-25778205

[naive frigate]

Until the patch comes out people are angry/worried the console release will censor the game for the worse. I think those worries are understandable.

[crude prism]

my post is just to poke fun, and is not the only change, but in all, yes this is the only "gameplay" change

[stable kernel]

Gameplay is a stretch

[tiny quail]

in my honest opinion, it's fine if they tone it down a bit, but don't censor the entire story, otherwise it wouldn't land as good as the original

[crude prism]

yeah, ik, but some dweebus was making a fuss about me calling it "not gameplay" yesterday, so I gave up fighting that point

[lethal karma]

The vitriol is uncalled for, people need to calm down. But to be forced into any change for another platforms needs is pretty dubious at best.

[tiny quail]

give the women at clothes for all that matter just dont remove that from the game

[crude prism]

🤷 agree to disagree

[stable kernel]

I mean, I guess it affects "gameplay" if you spam fire the m10 at anything that moves before it finishes flopping over

[tiny quail]

i always two tap someone then run past them i never took the effort to focus on tearing off a limb tbh

the only remotely similiar thing i did is testing guns on the poor dude on the training room on the police hq downstairs

[spring knoll]

“To elaborate a bit more:

The changes with the console version are small enough that most people here wouldn't notice if we didn't say anything, but we want to be transparent. It's largely just evidence and nudity that's altered, and the texture changes don't affect the PC version.

The texture changes on console are just small things that make the evidence in levels more like hints that connect with other evidence in rather than something practically screaming 'this is illicit child stuff happening!' However the player can easilly connect the dots based on the other evidence in the level.

This is probably one of the more extreme examples from the Streamer level, left side is PC version (and will remain as such), right side is console version. There is still a bunch of other evidence in the room that connects to show what's going on.”

this is genuinely a good change imo. one of my problems with RoN is it is subtle as a brick sometimes to a point where it just becomes very funny instead of grim. leaving the player to actually connect dots and use their brain with implied connections is far more interesting.

[stable kernel]

Realistically, for most players playing as intended which I assume is the majority, they won't end up using the only weapon type that has any appreciably ability to gib enemies anyway. Bullet weapons don't have enough power to gib unless you shoot a downed body an absurd number of times, so most people won't be affected.

[tiny quail]

now i wonder what they'll do with levels with a lot of dead bodies as setpiece like neon tomb and relapse

[stable kernel]

That we have to wait and see

[tiny quail]

we know that console companies have a lot of double standards (look at tlou 2, you can shotgun off all 4 limbs of every enemy you meet) we honestly shoulda expected it'll turn out like this

[outer fossil]

i genuinely dont wanna continue playing relapse this level is affecting me so much bro not even elephant or neon tomb have affected me this bad

[limpid whale]

I’ve seen it’s getting reviewbombed, what content is VOID removing this time

[spring knoll]

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this + less gore when shooting already-dead bodies + slightly reduced nudity

that is all and the community uproar is laughable

[desert island]

relapse speedrun

[limpid whale]

I disagree, VOID has already taken so much content from this game it’s more than fair for people to be annoyed that they’re not staying true to showing the raw truth of situations like in this game

[spring knoll]

‘so much content from the game’ is kinda an overstatement. they’ve cut several mechanics that were either hardly ever functional or never in any official release.

[limpid whale]

Even at its best this game pulled punches on certain things, but the fact that it showed a lot of the raw fucked up stuff was a big thing

[limpid whale]

Bro what that’s just completely untrue lmao

[spring knoll]

i saw a reddit post citing shooting out lights which they’ve spoken about before as a performance-destroyer (plus something they’re revisiting already in the DLC maps)

it also cited the gamemode selection which was insanely scuffed and pretty much just ‘raid with a few changes’.

[tiny quail]

i mean honestly there's almost nothing we can do, it's just console guidelines being a dick

[spring knoll]

yeah this too.

[limpid whale]

Other game modes, gone
Old maps replaced by a completely different rework instead of just making a new one: gone
Enemy AI actually being something other than a lobotomite, gone

[desert island]

so much worthless shit is being worked on instead of actual problems

[spring knoll]

people are acting like a triple-A studio has just removed all blood from their game rather than a team of ~40 ish devs yielding to some minor changes to get their game on consoles.

[limpid whale]

I mean when’s the last time you remember a crackhead under a bed? Or in a closet?

[tiny quail]

Go and protest about the change all you want, i dont think either party would budge

[desert island]

chemlight animations wat a joke

[limpid whale]

Chemlight animations, THATS what this game needs

[spring knoll]

in my entire playtime between early access to launch i had this happen once and it never caught me off guard because the animation was slow, telegraphed and obvious.

enemy AI being weak now is the only thing i’d agree with and that has literally nothing to do with the ‘censorship’ situation

[tiny quail]

how the hell did this community go from "THE AI IS TOO UNPREDICTABLE!!!" to "THE AI IS SO WEAK!!!"

[spring knoll]

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[limpid whale]

I had this several times, and it didn’t matter if the animation was telegraphed if you happened to be looking there but if you turn your back not knowing they’re there / having not checked it you got punished, it was way cooler than what we have now where they just “🧍‍♂️”

[spring knoll]

complainer central. i STILL see subreddit folks getting mad about being shot by AI unfairly.

[desert island]

AI shooting at me at all is unfair

[spring knoll]

like i genuinely think the whole ‘bad ai’ debacle on launch was the biggest collective skill issue of all time

[limpid whale]

I didn’t say it was the same, I’m just saying it’s another example of content being taken instead of added

[desert island]

only thing dumb about suspects hiding under beds is u get a penalty for killing them

[limpid whale]

Sometimes they were John wick and it was insane, but then the counter argument is like, if I’m a terrorist and I’ve heard a swat team in the building, I’m holding tf out of that angle istg

[spring knoll]

the port hokan AI is currently able to fire at you from across the yard for like 10 seconds straight and not kill you

[dim swallow]

Ive got a clip where my friend got headshotted 6 times in a row by the gas station suspects lmao

[tiny quail]

in my experience the ai occasionally bullshits you but I've learned the proper procedure (get behind cover, peek out angles) to properly counter it

[desert island]

the AI is only bs if ur doing a no damage challenge

but otherwise they r very weak

[spring knoll]

i assume a lot of new players on launch went in guns blazing and yelling everywhere. this makes AI go alert and hold angles. these players then walk in without any flashes or without slicing the pie or with any strategy, get headshot, and then complain on reddit.

[desert island]

u can go stealth and enemies will just detect u for dumb stuff

[limpid whale]

I just think the new removals are very much the wrong way, i think the excuse of “it’s for console” is dumb because i mean, look at TLOU2

[limpid whale]

Tbf even going it properly with stuns etc you often did just have John wick somewhere in the room

[tiny quail]

that's the thing I've said before, console has a lot of double standards

[desert island]

which is y im still of the opinion the game is better if u dont take it seriously because u only get punished for trying hard instead of having fun

[quartz night]

Why can’t the devs just add a censor option instead of forcing it upon us for the content they are cutting out

[dim swallow]

I think the one major thing is that the suppression effect is very effective so the moment you get shot at its hard to counter fire or disengage

[spring knoll]

i think some of the removals are silly i really just don’t think it’s a big deal. the game is still fun and dark and exciting and there are pretty much no gameplay changes so i pretty much have no problem with it.

[desert island]

suppression just means u need to shoot more

[tiny quail]

i mean tlou 2 is published by sony, it's clear they had a lot more leeway on what to do

[spring knoll]

yeah, which i think is pretty realistic. a lot of the game is basically ‘who shoots first’ which is neat.

[tiny quail]

meanwhile void is some 40 people indie studio

[limpid whale]

Doesn’t matter, it shows they’re ok with gore