👮ron-discussion

[vague locust]

always full auto

smg full auto their heads while in full sprint, magdump an entire SA58 into their chest

[shadow oasis]

wheres the weapon storage container in hide and seek map

[desert island]

there 5 yellow crates with spider logo on doors

[shadow oasis]

which doors

do you mean

[desert island]

1 has a car, 1 has drugs, 1 has weapons, 1 is empty, 1 has women

the doors of the crate

cargo containers

i guess theres a 6th one too that is an entrance to the auction house

[shadow oasis]

are they all in the warehouse

[desert island]

there should be 1 empty at spawn, 1 near spawn, 1 to the right of spawn, 1 in the yard

[shadow oasis]

what happens if we dont close the door of the container when being ordered by the fisa commander

[desert island]

nothing

[shadow oasis]

does your score change

[desert island]

u dont get the 500 points for closing it

[shadow oasis]

if i levae it open i get it

[desert island]

You get points for following orders and closing the doors

Or

You can break the conditioning and not close the doors

[shadow oasis]

also i brang order to chaos and theres an annoying civilian lurking around somehwere and i cant order my officers to search and secure what do i do i hate searchign this big ol map

[desert island]

easy

kill a civilian and quickly end the map before ur swat executes u

[shadow oasis]

wtf 😭

i needa finish this with a B

[desert island]

lol

[shadow oasis]

i cant do that

[desert island]

then u gotta close the doors

if u leave them open u can only get a C

[shadow oasis]

dammmm

so how do i complete the mission if i cant find this last civilian

[desert island]

just walk around and spam search area

if they dont do anythin that means the area has nothing to secure

[shadow oasis]

hmmm

[desert island]

and also spam yell for compliance

so civilians respond

[shadow oasis]

i think i incapacitated a civilian wihtout killing them

it shoudl be the last one i need to find

[desert island]

so yeah spam search area to ensure nothing is in the room and play marco polo

search and secure only available if all the guns on the map are secured

[shadow oasis]

ohh i see

[desert island]

well not guns but enemies are secured

so unconscious enemies need to be tied up

or enemies who are dead

[novel sphinx]

can you use the lockpick gun work more than once?

[amber dock]

Yeah

It’s infinite use

So only bring one is enough

[novel sphinx]

strange that it allows more than one in equipment then

[cursive minnow]

It's probably just because of the way they programmed it or maybe it's just laziness to set a limit on certain items.

[marble sequoia]

magnolia st 195 boston who on here know dat

[steel fox]

Why is one taser three “mags”

[shadow oasis]

how do i know if im stuck at 13% when i laod

[marble sequoia]

no matter how big you can alway make the tight sqeeze

[steel fox]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1202082279795720224/1387589065658077204/f2559547fcf7927ec8a3eb6eadc02e6f852c1f603adec895485dfbe5e146a44c_-_Kopie.gif

Oh we don’t have embedd rights 😭

[marble sequoia]

dont have any really

how many mags can you carry in game ?

[amber dock]

Since the taser is now a slot, it would be very annoying for it to only have one mag cause then you would lose another slot for another taser.

And with how little slots you have it wouldn’t be fun

[cursive minnow]

As many as you have available slots for.

[steel fox]

How did the balancing team come to three mags with two charges each?

[amber dock]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

Maybe they noticed how bad it was and gave it more mags

Cause taser ain’t that great

[steel fox]

Ily

[cursive minnow]

Especially when your the non host in a multiplayer session.

[amber dock]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

Poor non host people just wanna run the taser

[steel fox]

Wtf calm down. Taser is one of the best utilities for s rank runs

More reliable than the beambag sometimes

[amber dock]

Beanbag is more reliable

[steel fox]

.>

[amber dock]

Taser has short range

Very small ammo count

[steel fox]

beambag sometimes takes up to 3 shots

[amber dock]

Uh no

For most suspects it takes one bullet in the stomach and yell for compliance and it’s done

[steel fox]

Dedicating up to 3-4 taser mags is enough for like the whole map which is the equivalrnt to the beambag mag

[amber dock]

Only exception are the bomb vest wearers on Neon tomb

[steel fox]

Another point taser is better on

[amber dock]

Yeah good luck doing 3 letter triad with taser only

[crude prism]

nonlethal is awkward in MP because of funne projectile physics

taser has no excuse for being non-functional, since it's hitscan

if Void doesn't fix it, I'm adding another tally to the "explode kaminsky with my mind" board

[steel fox]

I did most of cqb fights with taser obv taser only is shit on like almost all maps but imo taser is usually more reliable

[amber dock]

No it’s not lol

But whatever works for you

[amber dock]

I like how Kaminsky just becomes this servers scapegoat anytime anything with Ron is a issue

Game crashes?

Blame him

New update came out late?

Blame him

[steel fox]

.>

[marble sequoia]

ok thank you

[crude prism]

He IS paid to be community facing. It's only fair.

[amber dock]

True

[long dome]

Bah, over on SCUM's discord there's this random guy named Johnny, he gets the blame for everything

[amber dock]

Damn it Johnny

[long dome]

Truth be told that the game heavily pushes the player into non-lethal yet the tools given to the players are basically non-functional in multiplayer. one would hope this ought to get a bit more priority for sure.

[crude prism]

well they really improved hitscan registration with 1.0
(and honestly, unless you're playing like 200+ ping, the nonlethal projectiles are 90% fine)

it's just that edge cases are exacerbated, like when suspects are strafing, you have to lead them further than expected

there is no excuse for the taser

[long dome]

As for the Taser, for when you play on 10Gbit fiber optic LAN and it still does this the moment the suspect starts to have any active animation besides "idle", this ain't the fault of the network. It straight up does not get correctly replicated fullstop, so it is by definition a non-functional element.

The beanbag is still the only reliable weapon in MP until you discover AI suspects are for some strange reason always ought to push into you which means you get killed since oyu cannot shoot but they can for yet another strange reason.
We had this resolved in Insurgency Sandstorm way back in 2018 for example

[crude prism]

(press [i forgot the default button] to bash)

it sucks and you die anyways, but you feel better about it

[long dome]

But you miss 50% of the time so it's your own fault (conveniently forgetting that you will lose in melee fight 110% of the time evne if you hit)

[supple star]

to do coyote with a magnum only, can i do it in multiplayer?

[crude prism]

yeah, that's probably the best way, so you don't end up failing the challenge by interacting with the SWAT AI

(but yes it also works with other people in the lobby)

[supple star]

i cant unequip the primary weapon so i just went with 11 magnum clips

[crude prism]

hold on let me get the copypasta

[crude prism]

Start mission, pull out magnum.

You may move, crouch, lean, shout, shoot, & cuff suspects/civilians, for doors you may peek/open/close/test lock/kick open

Having a shield equipped = fail
Pulling out any other gear/equipment INCLUDING LOCKPICK = fail
Complete mission with at least C+

You can technically use the AI to get this achievement as long as you do not command them. They can use any firearm.

[wet moat]

it's " B "

[crude prism]

🅱️

[supple star]

alright, we will try, thanks :D

[long dome]

Go magnum only pew pew

[amber dock]

That better

[long dome]

General lack of variety between suspect's visual on top of having no actual mechanic to not spawn the same looking guy next to another.

What bothers me more are suspects that visually have no bullet proof vest but you can clearly see the thump hit when you shoot them.

[proven parcel]

what do i do when i haven o more ammo?

[gilded oar]

bash em with the gun or

"RUN FOR YOUR LIFE"

[vernal coyote]

will ron still be updated? just wondering if im buying a game thats not updated by devs anymore

[amber dock]

Why wouldn’t it?

[vernal coyote]

just curious, i know some devs just abandon their games after a couple dlcs and 1.0 lmao

i got it in cart, shall i purchase thy game

[amber dock]

Game isn’t going anywhere anytime soon

I’ll tell you that

[lapis thunder]

Hello what happened to the lspd bundle discount?

I wanted to buy the game with my friends, and today the price is higher

[amber dock]

Mistake

[lapis thunder]

Fine, I hope it will be fixed

Would really like to play the game

[amber dock]

It won’t be fixed

Cause the price was a mistake like I said

It wasn’t likely intended to be that price

[lapis thunder]

Hmm, I understand but pretty strange that basic bundle discount applies when out of steam sale

But anyway, thanks for help!

[mellow bane]

when a suspect does the slowly putting their gun down animation and then mid-way flick back up and i shoot them, i get the unauthorized use of force (-50) message

am i doing something wrong or is the game being funky?

[livid turtle]

it's stupid, unless they actually fire a round you can't shoot them

[woeful sapphire]

Why is my ronsle updating?

[vague isle]

whats the best sidearm and primary to one tap hostiles?, just curious

[tired summit]

Probably a shotgun and a big caliber revolver. No idea though, im downloading rn XD

[vague isle]

im so close to the medal of valor btw, but i dont want to rn

its tough lol

[vague isle]

also pro tip, change your guns depending on the suspects armor

because, dont use a 7.62 against light armored targets, because strong gun= long = takes up more space in doors

[tired summit]

A what?

[tired summit]

Will keep it in mind

[vague isle]

Medal of Valor

so to put this simply, you have to get S+ in every mission

doesnt seem bad right? wrong

you have to non-lethal Every suspect, complete all soft missions/ side missions, arrest all civillians, and bag all evidence

[tired summit]

I feel like this is gonna be a "What could possibly go wrong" moment XD

[vague isle]

and the worst part?

you are alone, the ai team sucks becauses you cant use the non-lethal stuff because they switch to side arm

[tired summit]

Ok well 1 of those things doesnt sound too bad, i know there is a tazer ingame so

[vague isle]

tasers are trash in my personal opinion

because against heavy armored suspects

they do nothing, pepperballs or beanbag work best

but dont aim the beanbag shotgun on the head

otherwise the person you aimed it at dies

i could help you, but im tired of RoN rn

just impatiently waiting for the new upd

[torpid rain]

does losing an officer invalidate the hermit

[tired summit]

Beanbag sounds very interesting

[tired summit]

Wait what new update..? XD
Im about 75% done with downloading the game and i dont want to have to do it all over again XD

[lapis thunder]

One community manager on steam discussions said that price change was unintended, I wish they would fix it before sale ends

I still have hope

[pine drum]

What is a "Police Department"?

[short crow]

Imagine the devs giving up on. The game after the console release 💀

[lime ether]

That would suck..

[short crow]

Lets hope not

[pine drum]

Don't fucking jinx it, you ass

[lime ether]

[short crow]

Nah they won't do it cause the game is already successful and has a community

[lime ether]

Okay, this is prob stupid, but do y'all think there will be mod support for console at some point?

[pine drum]

They keep saying there won't, and good luck with getting enough support for that because it'll probably be mod.io

[lime ether]

Well, hopefully there is. Would be cool. But the base game is good enough

[amber dock]

Odds are basically 0

It’s how Unreal engine is designed that is the issue

And unless epic games does a 180 on how the engine handles pak files it won’t likely ever happen

[short crow]

The game is good with no mods

And devs will keep updating it

[long dome]

UE isn't really a problem for mod support on consoles, it's the way Sony and MS handles that shit in general that's making it such an absolute pain.

[amber dock]

It kinda is UE too

It’s a collection of problems that makes it annoying to add mod support on consoles

That’s what I was told anyway by VOID staff working on the programming side and Kam

There is deffo a possibility it could happen at some point

But even then I would expect there to be limitations still in what can be modded compared to PC side

[silver palm]

Not? Ready or not mentioned

[sand hull]

hypothetically

since PC release was global
will i not be able to magically teleport to new zealand and get to play slightly early?

[amber dock]

uh no

Cause your platform account is locked to the region it was created in

[sand hull]

very worrying because the release of my beloved
Ready or Not releasing July 15th by the hands of Void Interactive
conflicts with my slightly less beloved
D-stiny 2: Edge of Fate by B-ngie

[sand hull]

dang it.

[bronze sequoia]

How does the ammo selection work for shotguns. Is every 1 an extra shell or is it something else

[limber night]

That'd be nice

Only if they would release an sdk beforehand

[sullen cliff]

I have very specific graphics artifacts exclusively on ready or not that i cant find anything online of anyone else with the same artifacts, is there somewhere i could post it in this server for someone to tell me if there is a fix for it in graphics settings or if it is likely not going to change

[bronze sequoia]

What-
I was talking about in the gear selection screen

Like when choosing how many mags, flashbangs, etc you bring
Not how you reload

[limber night]

#💻tech-support

[sullen cliff]

Thank you

[limber night]

Iirc it's a bundle of 4 or 8 shells

[worldly zenith]

Ron is on sale

[mental wolf]

did everything i needed for S on elephant but friendly fire jumpscare ruined it 🫠

[amber dock]

Uh huh

[pseudo comet]

why is void having to censor parts of the game on console release when console has other games out there that include over the top gore and dark themes?

[shy tulip]

Sounds like one/both of the consoles forced em to

[pseudo comet]

heaven forbid a game includes law enforcement and has you shoot people in it in 2025 💀 if it was any other theme besides cops im sure it wouldn’t be an issue

[short crow]

Bro cyberpunk has things more bad than these

[median vapor]

yo guys. Wanted to know if theres a better way to check for wiretraps than peeking through the door

[steel fox]

Cat

[pseudo comet]

id bet money its got to do with the a large amount of public’s opinion on law enforcement like it’s not literally part of the job in law enforcement to have to do stuff like you do in RON

[shy tulip]

optiwand

[tulip ginkgo]

Damn. It kind of sucks to see that they're kind of replacing or changing some of the crazy stuff in the game.

Though I'm pretty sure modders will add them back

[median vapor]

mirror camera?

[shy tulip]

Yep

[median vapor]

a lot of the times the wirest just blend in with the surroundings and kinda become hard to notice

wish there was something like a thermal camera

[worldly zenith]

But gta 5 is ok

[pseudo comet]

yeah it’s stupid but ig there’s not much void can do if they want their game on console

[worldly zenith]

*if they want ronsole

[pseudo comet]

killing cops in a video game is fine but killing criminals as a cop in a video game is too far somehow

[worldly zenith]

Yep

[pseudo comet]

counting down the hours 🙏

[low saffron]

Its gon blow up

[lone portal]

Oh yay they censored it

[short crow]

Nah not that much of a change

[strange depot]

Kind of bummed they didn’t talk about swat ai gameplay improvements in the newsletter 😢 everything just screams “new animations”

[dim swallow]

look to your far left/right corner of the door, if you see something resembling a grenade, you'll know that theres an IED under it 👍

[tawny saffron]

How’s everyone feeling about the censorship… kind of a bummer

[amber dock]

he's famous

that's all

someone mentions him at least once a day

[tacit gull]

I don't think

[amber dock]

in here,on reddit,on steam,

[tacit gull]

that anyone is particularly happy with it

Thankfully it wasn't anything too major

And all of the changes can be reverted with mods

[amber dock]

all good

he's basically a legend

not the good kind

but you know

a legend

basically any game he's probs tried

it's probs automated

highly doubt it's actually a person behind doing it forever

[light aurora]

17 more days until the console release 😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨

I want to play so badly

[pine drum]

Anyone else want to slap the shit out of the gas station suspects when they bark at you?

[shy tulip]

The humble slap animation:

[pine drum]

Yeah whenever they bark when I arrest them, I always hope I get the slap animation. Like "QUIT BARKING, YOU FUCKING IDIOT!"

I don't get offended by it, I'm just confused by it and it makes me angry

[mental wolf]

probably a silly question. but will i be able to run my mods along with my console friends?

[amber dock]

Still unknown which mods will work and which won’t

But easy mods like visual stuff will probs work

While complicated mods like maps or stuff that changes a lot about the game probs not

[median vapor]

Are they always present only on the bottom corners?

[mental wolf]

yeah looking into more so the cosmetics and stuff rather than maps and all

[amber dock]

Yeah

Traps always are at the bottom of the door

There’s no variety in height or anything size wise

[noble pasture]

Can the devs fix the officer bug?

When you start a new campaign, your only options for first recruit are exactly your 3 left most officers already in your roster

Without fail

[short crow]

Worth pre ordering after today or nah

Bet

Deluxe?

Alright thanks mate

[fresh pine]

Ron

[dim swallow]

consoles once again ruining games

i was disappointed when Arma Reforger made it so you can see everyone on VOIP nearby you which basically killed stealth and deception, and now they do this for RoN

[final ember]

whats this I hear about RoN getting censored for the console release...

[stray siren]

when i have something that has to do with some 3D model in game can i post it in here or in the feed back channel?

[shy tulip]

If it's feedback then it should go in feedback

Otherwise it will drown here

[stray siren]

ok thx

ok one more question does it matter if i put it in the forum or in the channel?

[shy tulip]

Up to you

[winged elbow]

Y

Yo

Does this game support crossplay?

[amber dock]

Yeah

When console release comes

If there was cross play now there wouldn’t be any other platform to cross play with

[trail pumice]

Hey guys how is the game ?

[fervent hinge]

Oh they are censoring the game right before release

Welp
I hope this dosnt take away too much from the game

[orchid comet]

wdym by censoring?

[fervent hinge]

New patch notes

[orchid comet]

ohh

[fervent hinge]

But toning down gore
Hiding sole nudity
And uhhh some animations changes to make things less gruesome and some lore changes I think

[orchid comet]

but I want gore😔

[fervent hinge]

Like no more dismemberment on dead bodies

[timber mesa]

you still get gore

[orchid comet]

oh

alright

I need a setting that removes the swat ai and we can go by ourselves on missions

[fervent hinge]

The nudity censore is kinda silly knowing there is games like gta and cyberpunk

[orchid comet]

there’s a mod that when you shoot their head it splatters all over the place

[fervent hinge]

I'm on console

[orchid comet]

im on console also i just saw it on youtube

[fervent hinge]

Ah
But yeah mods make me jealous

[orchid comet]

I don’t really mind it

I just wanna know how the graphics go in the game on ps5

because my con is im scared it’s gonna do bad like a frame drop or smth

[shy tulip]

Your console will explode as a sales ploy to sell more PCs

[fervent hinge]

That's why I'm worried about pre order
Just gonna wait for reviews

[orchid comet]

nice to know

[fervent hinge]

Is going none lethal that fun

[orchid comet]

it lowkey doesn’t look like it unless your using a beanbag shotgun

[fervent hinge]

Which can kill people

I wish I didn't spoil my self with some maps

[timber mesa]

If you use a low caliber weapon you're generally more like to incapacitate, especially with AP rounds

it's not less lethal but it does give you some breathing room for when someone does get shot.

I remember that accidentally saving me some objectives where a suspect needs to be arrested, but was shooting at us. The MP5 rounds only incapcitated not killed.

[fervent hinge]

What if I want the target to he turned into wall art with my gun

[timber mesa]

have you tried a paint gun?

[fervent hinge]

I meant blood but sure that works too

[timber mesa]

hmm

[orchid comet]

what’s the limited amount for pistol magazines?

Isn’t it 13?

[timber mesa]

depends how you customize your loadout

[orchid comet]

Okay

[ionic gale]

So…

[ionic gale]

Is it confirmed that some aspects of the game is going to have to be altered in order to keep the game’s ESRB M rating or the PEGI 18 rating?

I mean, it sucks that you guys have to do that, but it’s what’s probably going to be needed. If you guys want to keep this on the console platforms.

[shy tulip]

Everything stated to be changed is the only thing changing

[brazen atlas]

I’d imagine Gerald Scot is not going to have his dongilong out on consoles

[ionic gale]

It’s not gonna be any substantial stuff I’m guessing, right?

[ionic gale]

I’m sorry, what?

I knew he was naked, but dang

[shy tulip]

If you consist Gerards ding dong, not being able to gore dead bodies, and more clothing yeah

oh missed the girl not having a seizure

[ionic gale]

I’m guessing it’s going to have to be with the PC platform as well because I saw from the latest development brief that it would be not really visible to keep two separate versions of the game up and running as bugs would be around

[uncut garden]

Nudity, CP content censorship
I might get that
But Gore system toned down..That's odd
Especially there're many games on Consoles that you can blow people head off leaving chunks of their brains on surface lol....Like RDR2, Insurgency SandStorm

[shy tulip]

You can still blow their head off

but not once they are dead

[shy tulip]

Yes

Kaminsky sent a picture in #💬general-discussion of console gore

[uncut garden]

Uh....That's odd tho

[ionic gale]

They can get the away with that because it’s a military game where you’re shooting bad guys or whatever

[ionic gale]

Can you link me the message?

[shy tulip]

#💬general-discussion message

[ionic gale]

The fact that this is in a more civilian environment, where you are a police officer? Yeah that’s a different ball game.

[shy tulip]

it's moreso them being dead

You're free to blow their limb off while they're alive

[ionic gale]

Well, substantial parts of the game isn’t going to get censored

And that’s good

[valid spade]

Still sucks, the teeth of some of it is filed down but not gone

Horror is now down to a 9 instead of its 10

Still good game

[ionic gale]

I don’t know if RON is available in China, but if you guys know anything about their video game censorship, yeah this game would be spayed and neutered

[humble mauve]

its the exact same game, exact same storylines, exact same themes

just minute changes to their portrayal in game

[uncut garden]

I think It is available in CN
I know a guy from CN who has been playing RON for more than 200 hours

[shy tulip]

A minute change

[valid spade]

Minute changes that will negatively impact the strength of the story telling

[ionic gale]

Dude, that was my first time hearing that Gerard had his meat out

I was too busy getting shot by him to notice it lmso

[shy tulip]

I do think the devs are right that 90% of players wouldn't have noticed it until someone else pointed it out

[humble mauve]

there are still human trafficking victims they are just not completely naked, there is still implied CSAM, it just isnt directly shown

gerard is still a crazy outcast he just is no longer freeballing

[ionic gale]

Officer Garcia of the cartel home invasion map I suspect is most likely gonna be altered too

[uncut garden]

I think this is one of the mistakes that a studio can potentially encounter with their game
You can't expect to let your audiences experience something for so long, which they're so used to it, and then just like that, you take it away from them and go against of the OG Vision
Either you make it less gritty from the beginning or you just don't do it at all

[ionic gale]

I mean, Los Locos literally put barbed wire on his nuts. It’s that crazy.

[blazing wasp]

#announcements message

It is absolutely shameful that RON who once fought against censorship by the producer now is bending their heads to the consoles to make a few extra bucks.

Once again the PC crowd has to subject themselves to the whims of the crybaby console slaves. If ron implement these changes I will be asking for a refund and down voting the game on steam.

We bought the game because it was a realistic noir swat 4 inspired game, not because we want it to turn into a fantasy of what it once was to appease RoNs bottom line

[warped cave]

I almosted Solo'd narcos

I got killed by the last suspect

[valid spade]

In my opinion*

[ionic gale]

I mean, it’s what is needed in order for the game not to receive the manhunt treatment and to instantly get a AO rating

It sucks and we don’t want this to happen but what can you do? These console platforms want the developers to play ball in order for their games to survive on that platform

[valid spade]

same tbh, I just hit the cottage with tons of CS

[blazing wasp]

Not launch on console, say "fuck you" to the console censorship as they did to their publisher.

Or launch on console censored, leave the PC alone whose reason to exist is exactly about freedom of not being censorshiped by pearl clutching mega corporations

[shy tulip]

This is all predicated on the idea that Void broke up with T17 over "censorship" when Void and T17 have never discussed why they did in the first place

[ionic gale]

Yeah, the entire team 17 debacle is still unsure about why they even broke off ties

[shy tulip]

It's also the reality that people on console do want RoN, and I'm more than fine taking the heat for saying what we're "losing" is more than worth it for more people* to enjoy the game

Was really hoping my typing would get better with a new keyboard

[ionic gale]

In the development briefing, they said that they did not want to maintain two different versions of the game as it was just invite all sorts of different issues for bugs and such

[blazing wasp]

If they want the console they are free to buy the censored version, but censoring the PC is going exactly against the game we BOUGHT as announced

[ionic gale]

Yeah, I see what you mean

[orchid comet]

wait so what is happening right now?

[gaunt gale]

And noone will ever know. :)

[blazing wasp]

We didn't buy RoN cause we wanted it to be censored later.

[ionic gale]

I thought that the PC version was gonna be safe because Steam is more lax

[gaunt gale]

People blowing tiny changes out of proportion.

[blazing wasp]

Nope, they are censoring us too. It is the main source of my rage.

[shy tulip]

You bought RoN for it to continue to receive updates and be a fun game, and console preordered it to get a game. These changes are so small that you would not know about them probably a week after release unless one guy found em

[orchid comet]

crazy

[ionic gale]

I think Arthur’s argument is that the game should not have been censored for this platform at all

[shy tulip]

In the end it is individual choice, if you don't want to update/play it then fine, but others will and Void will continue to develop the game

[orchid comet]

im fine with anything there’s no reason to complain about the smallest changes to the game

[blazing wasp]

Yes, please downplay people's rightful criticism because they are having a game they bought changed to appease a crowd they aren't part of.

By all means give consoles the censored version , give china the Chinese version, give everyone a version adapted to their countries regulation.

But when you start changing one version to apply the clientele of another is where I draw that line.

By that logic should we change the steam version blood to be white to appease the Chinese market?

[ionic gale]

Yeah, to be honest I was also confused why the PC version was getting neutered with the console release

The development briefing did say that they did not want to maintain two different versions of the game and I get that

[dreamy yoke]

gas grenade launcher my beloved… also 23 mbs a second is my favorite mission so far

[ionic gale]

Me personally… it just sucks that this has to happen

[valid spade]

Less blunt man less blunt

[ionic gale]

And I find it weird that the PC version had to also censored a little bit too

But that was the developers choice. I don’t know that.

[gaunt gale]

This is what I mean when I say 'out of proportion', outrage based on the idea of what could happen and imaginary scenarios.

We are changing outfits to add a few more square inches of fabric to comply with regional and platform content restrictions, as well as removing post-mortem dismemberment.

The changes stay consistent to facilitate cross play between platforms, because of how everything works that was going to be unavoidable.

[ionic gale]

Again, I get why you guys are taking these precautions

This console release is going to happen… and I don’t want you guys getting the Manhunt treatment and instantly getting an Adults Only rating because you guys want to show the reality of what police officers go through

[shy tulip]

It's not a ratings issue, it's a "do this or we'll ban the game"

[gaunt gale]

I would entirely be on the side of you guys if it was removing content wholesale, pulling blood, scenarios, or text but in the end this all comes down to slight model tweaks that do not in any way effect the amount of content delivered, change the story, or change how the game is played.

[ionic gale]

Yeah, PlayStation and Xbox are really stingy about what is on their platforms because they offer all sorts of games on their platform from EC to M

[ionic gale]

Yeah, and I’m thankful that major parts of the game isn’t going to have to get spayed and neutered

[blazing wasp]

Not our problem, if they want to release on another platform, by all means. But they gotta place some effort into separating their editions.

Again, the PC market bought this game for a PC game, not to be imposed by the pearl clutching console companies.

Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo are more then welcome to segregate their market based on the whims of the Christians Mom's association ratings. But does not mean we consent with their standards being brought to PC editions

[orchid comet]

they aren’t stingy it’s part of the regulations of the games, if void interactive has to do it they have to.

[ionic gale]

But I do understand Arthur’s frustrations about this game having to get censored for the platform and the PC version being affected too

[ionic gale]

Yeah, I understand

It sucks that they have to do it, but they’re going to have to if they want this game to survive on these platforms

[blazing wasp]

Again, this is not a discussion of "oh you shouldn't release on X", I want RON on every platform. Hell I wanna play RoN on my Samsung smart fridge.

But if suddenly all graphics of RoN on all versions become 8bit because all versions must run on the fridge, then we have a problem.

[gaunt gale]

At the highest level, as far as cost-benefit analysis is concerned, everyone involved from the C-suite to the players gain more with consoles and cross play when compared to having bespoke incompatible editions for console and PC.

[blazing wasp]

Yes I understand your argument that it is minor changes. But it is not about the severity of them, it is the fact that PC did not sign up for this

[ionic gale]

Oh yeah, if it would be a setting for you to enable the more hard-core aspects of the game? yeah that would be very cool.

Easier said than done… of course I’m not a developer

[shy tulip]

You signed up for the game to continue updating and that at any time things can and will change, and the game is changing, that's that

[blazing wasp]

Sorry but it is not "that's is that" I am a buyer I have input on those updates. Companies don't get to do as they wish with 0 push back.

[gaunt gale]

The quick and easy way to think about it is, if you look at something and think 'Oh, this would be easy to do' as it applies to a video game. You're wrong.
At least that's what I learned as soon as I entered the gaming space professionally

[burnt chasm]

Man... Why dont you just censor it exclusively for console????

[orchid comet]

it’s also good that the game is changing because all in all it means the game is getting better

[gaunt gale]

☝️

[ionic gale]

It’s because they have talked about not wanting to maintain two different builds of the game as that would open up opportunities for books to happen bugs

I think this game being cross play affects that too

[gaunt gale]

If we could have two versions and maintain crossplay, we would.

-but we can't, so we won't

[orchid comet]

exactly

[ionic gale]

Yeah, like I said before it’s easier said than done… that would be a nice hypothetical solution, but I’m not a game developer I’m not sure how difficult that is to do

[orchid comet]

what are you guys changing about the console version anyway?

[burnt chasm]

Still modders is always to the rescue for pc players. Good luck console you will be forgotten lol

[gaunt gale]

We are changing outfits to add a few more square inches of fabric to comply with regional and platform content restrictions, as well as removing post-mortem dismemberment.

[blazing wasp]

Again, this is not our problem as PC players. If they want to explore a market that is cornered by restrictions, they must adapt an edition of their product to those restrictions, not the entire product.

Imagine if the censorship of a country would dictate what is available online on another?

That's exactly what RoN devs are proposing, that we should all level ourselves by the common lowest denominator.

What if in a month or two Sony and Microsoft demand RoN is tonned down further? Should we censor the PC version more?

[orchid comet]

Alright

[chilly thorn]

Will character deformation ever come back (like pre-UE5), it was pretty cool and looked way better than what the game has now.

[gaunt gale]

Imagine if the censorship of a country would dictate what is available online on another?
As a point of fact, that happens very often.

[shy tulip]

It isn't going away, you simply can't blow someones face off once they are dead, but you can while they're alive

[prime wing]

void and running several builds sounds like something that has failed before.

[blazing wasp]

By server hosting, not by universal company policy.

[gaunt gale]

You're splitting hairs at that point

[ionic gale]

Dude, do you remember how pissed off everybody was with Rainbow 6 Seige when the game had a bunch of content removed to appeal to the Chinese market?

[burnt chasm]

Yeah that's sh*tty

[ionic gale]

That was crazy lmao

[blazing wasp]

This

[chilly thorn]

No I mean like actually being able to deform them with bullet wounds, before UE5 there was like deformation for the characters body and the bullets wounds appeared as if they had more depth and not just the gibs.

[blazing wasp]

This is clearly something gamers care a lot about. And being treated as "oh it's just minor things" isnt going to end well

[ionic gale]

UE 5 makes me uncontrollably angry lol (jk)

[orchid comet]

what im hearing is it’s the smallest change ever and you can’t see the difference?

[gaunt gale]

See, that's the thing, by in large China is actually pretty fine with our game. We're on the Chinese steam and have exclusively Chinese storefronts selling our game on the mainland

[ionic gale]

Ruined my “stalker tu”

[chilly thorn]

UE4 gore just looked far more brutal and the was a pretty unique system

[gaunt gale]

The region likes the game quite a bit

[ionic gale]

yay

[orchid comet]

so basically with the update for console you can’t see the difference?

[gaunt gale]

If you know what you're looking for, you'll see a difference

[ionic gale]

I know that I’m not gonna be the person to tell you guys for the 1 millionth time that UE 5 ain’t great 👅

[gaunt gale]

If you don't, then it won't matter to you

[orchid comet]

well the only thing I wanna do it’s play the game so I won’t mind anything about it

[gaunt gale]

Honestly

[chilly thorn]

Like I get that they wanted to switch the UE5 but it caused so many issues that still aren't fixed, coyotes lighting is still busted.

[ionic gale]

I didn’t even know this Gerard’s wanker was out during my playtime, but that’s because I don’t look at dudes crotches lol

[gaunt gale]

There was a non-zero debate on not even telling the community these changes were being made

but we did so in the effort to maintain transparency

[ionic gale]

Yeah, you guys would’ve gotten a lot more harsh censorship allegations if you guys didn’t say anything at all

[long dome]

I'm glad you did tbh 🫡

[burnt chasm]

Like the paid dlc that we didn't asked for?

[orchid comet]

crazy

[ionic gale]

The pre-order bonus?

With the three new weapons? That’s a preorder bonus only in the deluxe edition or pre-order edition of the console version but PC players get it for free.

[chilly thorn]

The MKV and the M590 im okay with being little preorder weapons but the grenade launcher being one is a lil stupid

[burnt chasm]

No but thats still included as a marketing for huge bucks and then this censorship BECAUSE console

[orchid comet]

im gonna be honest i dont think RoN should’ve been added to epic games

[ionic gale]

You know what?

I remember payday 2 appearing on the epic games, launcher or whatever and that was an entire debacle

I don’t know much about the platform to warrant distrusting it, however… I don’t remember how payday 2 was hired by the epic games integration

[shrewd forge]

Why?

[short crow]

bro these grown ups crying over a peice of clothing is crazy

[chilly thorn]

if they gonna make small censorships than they better remove the shitty ai stuff as well, especially on carriers of the vine.

[ionic gale]

Oh wait

[burnt chasm]

Its not only just piece of clothing, gore will be toned down for the console peeps

[ionic gale]

I think I remember it now payday 2 probably lost its support because it is integrated with epic games and I don’t know if they added easy anti-cheat or whatever

[orchid comet]

I just had a feeling because since steam exclusive games was added into epic games it would sometimes fail

[ionic gale]

That could be bullshit?

[short crow]

only that you cant shoot dead suspects?

[ionic gale]

hold up I need to read up more about the pay day to epic games integration situation. I forgot about it.

[short crow]

be grateful for what these devs trying to provide even with limits they have

[orchid comet]

true

[short crow]

you dont know better than the devs

[burnt chasm]

Like you know the bs they do and the whole debacle of huge content cut in the early access days lol

[short crow]

you still played the game right?

[orchid comet]

im also just saying that I don’t think it was a good idea to add RoN to epic games but it’s their choice

[shy tulip]

That is the realest comment though

[cursive minnow]

You know, just my take, but I play games mainly for the gameplay and mechanics. As long as those remain solid, minor changes aren't really going to affect my opinion of a game. If it's still fun, I'll play it.

[shy tulip]

It's like people complaining about the Switch 2 and it's pricing and then seeing them line up at 4am for it

lookin at Mutahar

[ionic gale]

Judging how Payday 2 was treated by epic games…. I don’t know.

[orchid comet]

only thing that changed about the switch 2 is the color the controllers and the screen

[short crow]

they seem to have a plan to expand this year

[ionic gale]

I do have some sort of suspicion of course about that entire epic games stuff

[short crow]

fr then they complain about the lack of games and still buy them

[ionic gale]

That fucking medallion is corrupting him 😭

[orchid comet]

how did they get treated?

[ionic gale]

It was a while ago, so I don’t remember but…

[chilly thorn]

I don't see why this is so much of an issue because you can probably just install a mod to revert everything.

[ionic gale]

Mods broke… heard about how many people had to make epic games accounts in order to enable cross play of those platform…

[burnt chasm]

This thing that they change just because it's "minors" Once they realize they're going to cut down much change. Don't even started with R6 siege with its dumbed down content

[orchid comet]

I won’t even have mods because im on console😔

[ionic gale]

I need to refresh my memory on that entire situation

Keep in mind that all this is just payday 2… I don’t know if this is gonna happen to RON.

[shy tulip]

Some people see it as a slippery slope despite Void making it clear they fought to keep most of the game in the game, and only having to give up, dead body gore, clothing and a seizure

[orchid comet]

I honestly don’t think you will even notice the clothing to be honest

[short crow]

they didnt remove a mission the didnt remove the part they just coverd the character with clothing

[orchid comet]

ohh wait that part

[short crow]

thats what one of void interactive explained eariler

[burnt chasm]

Yeah then once i gave a critics someone there started to passive aggressively defend it and stopped me criticizing haha

[gaunt gale]

I'd rather not be compared to Ubisoft

There's a reason they went bankrupt

[orchid comet]

Ubisoft went bankrupt?

[short crow]

ye

[orchid comet]

crazy work

[short crow]

dont remember what happend later

[shy tulip]

I blame them not Skulling enough bones

[ionic gale]

You guys are probably really tired about that entire. “You don’t own your games” spiel but… it was a catalyst

[burnt chasm]

Oh yeah? You don't know anything about mission modes and all that

[ionic gale]

Looking back, I don’t know why but the Ubisoft formula was weird

[orchid comet]

do not get ubisoft games

[ionic gale]

All of their games just felt the same… any open world I played just

[short crow]

bro the one of them explained it earlier you werent there

[chilly thorn]

mission modes were ass, only raid and barricaded suspects was good

[ionic gale]

There are some good ones in there earlier catalog

[orchid comet]

I’ve had ubisoft games and haven’t played them in 2 months

[gaunt gale]

That's a entirely different conversation

[burnt chasm]

That's why yall need to keep up your promise and don't go near that route of a huge disappointment called r6s

[orchid comet]

siege x and the normal siege is just the same thing

[ionic gale]

I remember playing through the entirety of watch dogs 2

It was nice

[shrewd forge]

Siege X is basically just an engine update

[orchid comet]

complete waste of money for me

[burnt chasm]

It's what they called early access yet they abandoned it though they need to polished it so that once its better its have a huge benefit on replayabillty

[ionic gale]

You, judging by their consumer practices and their game track record… they expected it

XDefiant was SO fucking sad

[short crow]

cod killer lmao

[ionic gale]

Before somebody kills me here … I must clarify that I’m talking about their modern game releases

[orchid comet]

is it me or I just stopped playing cod

[chilly thorn]

I'd rather have them work on new missions than have them make the same mission with a different layout honestly

[ionic gale]

I never understood why people kept calling these games call of duty killers…

[short crow]

same full of glitches and bugs

[ionic gale]

cod is is dying by themselves… they don’t need help

[burnt chasm]

Oh don't forget to mention Hotel Raid

[shy tulip]

Is it really though

Is it really dying if the same people who complain each year still buy it each year

[ionic gale]

Yeah, it was canceled

[heavy topaz]

yea it’s still dying

[orchid comet]

I wonder how bo7 will go

[ionic gale]

Well, in terms of enjoy, and I guess just quality of the game? Yeah that shit went downhill.

[burnt chasm]

Years of time spent designing and cooking the huge level of hotel architecture and then went poof

[ionic gale]

I don’t know what’s happening with the AAA game industry at this point

[shrewd forge]

Hotel was kinda mid let's be honest

[heavy topaz]

gta 6 finna wipe half the games

[chilly thorn]

I have hope they will bring back old hotel at some point we will just have to wait and see.

[burnt chasm]

No one said that just you

[ionic gale]

tru

[orchid comet]

gta 6 is gonna be like 1 terabyte

[heavy topaz]

i’ll buy extra storage just to store it man

[burnt chasm]

Already there with the mods

[ionic gale]

It’s more or less just our favorite franchise is finally losing their mojo…

[humble mauve]

hotel had seen so many iterations in its multiple forms since like 2017 its no shock it got scrapped entirely

map was held together with duct tape

[heavy topaz]

trust it comes out in october 2026

[short crow]

may

[prime wing]

COD players arent in even in the room, but their IQ is certainly at room temp.

[chilly thorn]

No I mean like a remake, different layout same plot and style, like the new fast food.

[orchid comet]

nah maybe when caveman’s comeback

[burnt chasm]

Yep and they have the audicity to remove the iconic main building

[heavy topaz]

i’m predicting they delay it again

[ionic gale]

I’m feeling cautiously optimistic for battlefield six… B07? I don’t know man

[orchid comet]

it’s 2:99 pm here

[humble mauve]

2:99

[short crow]

nah they would make people dissapointed

[burnt chasm]

That's fine if the main core of the design are still there. Hotel Remix are at it

[heavy topaz]

just replayed battlefield 4 and it felt great

[short crow]

1 am here

[heavy topaz]

it wouldn’t kill sales at all though as long as they do whay they did with gta 5 when it got delayed

[burnt chasm]

Don't said that devs are working better than you🙏🙏

[ionic gale]

My favorite battlefield game has been battlefield one right now… probably the last good game that we got

[chilly thorn]

Sins of the father is a good map and all but it doesn't feel like a good replacement, as it feels more like a penthouse than a hotel.

[orchid comet]

I hate slow mode

[heavy topaz]

we fight against slow mode

[burnt chasm]

Its entirely different and not only that, the tone also felt different

[ionic gale]

I don’t know if it was just my Xbox series X or the fact that it never got a console resolution update, but it was grainy as hell

[short crow]

hes talking about another delay and the game is already delayed

[orchid comet]

turn off slow mode!

[ionic gale]

I don’t know why, but it just distracted me. I have to probably play it on PC which I do have…

[heavy topaz]

played it in amd integrated graphics on 1080 low

[ionic gale]

Things I don’t feel like dealing with the bullshit EA launcher and it’s anti-cheat which literally won’t watch the game

[orchid comet]

I think it’s on steam summer sale if you wanna get it

[heavy topaz]

i bought it for less than a buck lol

[chilly thorn]

Im hoping for more night maps the most, that new apartment building map looks like it might become the best in the whole game to me. Twisted Nerve and hide & seek is still good for nvgs but the lighting in coyote is so broken that you don't even need a flashlight.

[ionic gale]

Oh, I have like three battlefield games

Yeah, I have them on steam I just haven’t played them… I really like how they give out those games like candy for a dollar or two.

[orchid comet]

oh

[ionic gale]

The thing is that I’m playing battlefield mainly on a console and I don’t know if battlefield 4 just never got a next gen upgrade

[chilly thorn]

you excited for bf6?

[ionic gale]

I’m cautiously optimistic for it

better not be another fuck up like battlefield 2042 because if so, then… I do not know the future of this franchise by then

[burnt chasm]

We already have tons of night maps so the best solution is to bring the dynamic lightning and make the turn off electricity back like they promised since supporter edition

[chilly thorn]

if BF6 is bad the franchise will most likely end, they are on there last legs.

[shy tulip]

Dynamic lighting has the issue of performance issues along with yknow, actually coding the power going off, and the AI reacting to the power going off

[restive ferry]

The game could be 1 map with no textures and it would still sell

[burnt chasm]

Zero Hour slop can do their thing, why wont Void cant?

[restive ferry]

Why won’t void can’t

[chilly thorn]

They should have just made turning the power off an option for certain maps in the briefing, like spawn locations. So it isn't actually dynamic.

[shy tulip]

Zero Hour is Zero Hour, I don't think I have to say more

[ionic gale]

Dude, I heard about zero hour and oh my gosh

[half lion]

what is zero hour

[heavy topaz]

whats zero hour

[shy tulip]

The game that tried to do everything and did nothing

[burnt chasm]

Yet they can do a single thing void cant do and that a laughing matter loll

[ionic gale]

Tactical shooter that has horror elements…

Basically, a knock off of SCP 5K

[heavy topaz]

cold summary

[shy tulip]

But idk, ZH is just a different level of quality than RoN. It's not bad, but every time I saw it (even now) it's really, really janky, even by RoN standards.

[orchid comet]

ready or not 2.0 coming out soon?

[half lion]

yknow what, that gives me an Idea

[shy tulip]

Issue with powerboxes has always been that if they do it as is now, they need to like double the map size and workload, if they added dynamic, performance is gonna take a big hit

[ionic gale]

Again…

ZH is an SCP 5K rip

[burnt chasm]

There's the thing, we're talking about their own promise to build the concept of a "gritty and realistic swat sim"

[restive ferry]

Zero hour is like $5 why all the hate 💀

[shy tulip]

If you mean RoN, then I have never seen a CM use the word simulator in any package, because that has a very specific connotation. RoN is not a SWAT simulator and never will be

[ionic gale]

😭 🙏

[half lion]

For like a halloween event, Ready or not could have like a haunted house, like imagine clearing rooms, and you see subtle stuff like random shadows and stuff getting pushed off tables

or like phantom footsteps

[burnt chasm]

And then there's also a problem with the now lightning mechanic that is baked lightning, you know i kept seeing this boxxed low quality shadows that comes from said baked lightning 🤷‍♂️

[orchid comet]

imagine ready or not being $1

[heavy topaz]

how much is it rn

[ionic gale]

I feel like that would just make me extremely schizo paranoid

[chilly thorn]

This game needs more animations for suspects hesitating and surrendering, I doesn't feel authentic for a scared street thug to drop a weapon with the same amount of calmness as a professional.

[burnt chasm]

Its a crime because it exist

[half lion]

that would be the ponttttt

[ionic gale]

Have you guys played Swat 4?

[orchid comet]

$50

[shrewd forge]

Yes

[heavy topaz]

only support this because i’m done shooting civilians that i thought were reaching

[burnt chasm]

We need suprised mechanic that instantly dropped the suspect weapons like swat 4

[orchid comet]

I’ve heard of it but never played it

[ionic gale]

I bought it off GOG a while back and I installed the elite force mod and been having a good time with it

I don’t know why the game doesn’t like to save my resolution. I have to manually blow it up to not be so small

[heavy topaz]

oh its 12 bucks for me

[orchid comet]

“Toc to element great job entry team keep up the great work”

[shrewd forge]

Oh I didn't have that issue when I played it

[ionic gale]

It shows its age if you play it standard, but mods can help it

GOG is probably like the only legitimate way that you can buy it … it’s like 10 bucks usually it’s a good time

[burnt chasm]

The game that once void had in mind in their motto "spiritual successor of swat 4"

[orchid comet]

oh I think $50 is the original price, it’s probably 12 bucks because of the steam summer sale

[ionic gale]

irrational games and Sierra publishing got absorbed by Activision… so we never getting these games back 🙏😢

[heavy topaz]

might be because i’m also in south america too lol

[orchid comet]

oh lol

[chilly thorn]

I would love armed civvies in the future, like a security gaurd with a pistol in a map. It would really change the mentality of just shooting them because they are holding a weapon.

Bring order to chaos and rescue civvies should be combined so you feel more on edge until everyone is secured.

[heavy topaz]

love the idea even though i would panic shoot

[burnt chasm]

In terms of armed civvies, void had a plan to make a feature that civ picked up suspect weapons and a sound voiceover of it exist

[shrewd forge]

I remember that the team was working on a zombie game that played like swat 4 that got cancelled I forgot it's name but it looked cool shame it was never finished

[heavy topaz]

yeah as soon as i’m done with suspects i just rush the whole building searching carelessly

[orchid comet]

anyone accidentally shot a civilian because they took out their phone

[desert island]

it werent no accident

[heavy topaz]

THEYRE REACHING

[lavish zinc]

civies have guns in 69 golf avenue mod map.. freaks out so many people when there is gunfights happening and then they dome the home owners

[shrewd forge]

Yes and I don't feel bad about it

[desert island]

i dont see race

only negative points

[ionic gale]

I remember one time when I was playing a multiplayer lobby and we were doing like… 213 Park St.

[shrewd forge]

I don't see civilians

Only potential suspects

[ionic gale]

Somebody restrained a persons that I accidentally discharged my Glock and accidentally shot a restrained dude

[desert island]

they are either a suspect
or a well disiciplined suspect

[ionic gale]

Massive oopsie

[chilly thorn]

It completely ruins maps like twisted nerve, because like what do you mean he's a civilian hes in a fucking methhouse, he should just be an unarmed suspect

[orchid comet]

SRO or iron sight on RoN

[shrewd forge]

-250 massive oopsie

[desert island]

sro

sro's time to center is faster than irons

[heavy topaz]

holo is a basic but extremely goated sight

[desert island]

tbh shooting civilians that put their hand behind their pants when u tell them to comply should be authorized use of force

[heavy topaz]

this is key

i’ve failed 3 runs of relapse because of this bro

[orchid comet]

I’ve seen people who shot the person that was holding someone hostage and it was unauthorized use of force

[chilly thorn]

I find it funny that in both Swat 4 and RoN the hospital map sucks.

[desert island]

my challenge for relapse is completing the mission with MP5 before my 6 minute looming dread song ends

[heavy topaz]

are you a monster

[chilly thorn]

use UMP45 instead its goated

[shrewd forge]

To be honest I can't think of any games with good hospital maps

[desert island]

l4d2

[chilly thorn]

No mercy yeah

[desert island]

you can complete the mission with a F

[shrewd forge]

Are we talking about payday or left 4 dead

[desert island]

no mercy on payday is bad

[heavy topaz]

oh

[chilly thorn]

L4D

[shrewd forge]

Okay yeah I can agree with that

[chilly thorn]

I ain't a payday player but I ain't never heard someone say "Yo dude lets play the No Mercy Heist"

[desert island]

its mediocre on payday2

[orchid comet]

im actually going to do the tutorial so I know what controls to use

[heavy topaz]

quit payday after payday 3

decided the franchise wasn’t worth it anymore it’s just a huge downgrade honestly

[chilly thorn]

I've heard its getting better now

[desert island]

payday devs r crazy

they keep trying to make new stuff but suck and have to go back to payday 2

[shrewd forge]

Honestly for me personally it's too little too late

[heavy topaz]

first impressions are always important with games that need to prove themselves

[chilly thorn]

Also did anyone else notice that in all the gameplay of the new update the civvies and suspects all have a way better variety of voice actors as well as incap lines for suspects that don't normally have them.

[desert island]

payday, killingfloor, overwatch, teamfortress, counterstrike, borderlands, halo, callofduty

honestly every shooter is unplayable now except l4d2

[heavy topaz]

cs2 just feels really off

[desert island]

always wondered wat are the game devs passion for removing features from their previous acclaimed installment

[orchid comet]

[shrewd forge]

CS2 was pretty much just a graphical improvement and It replaced CS:GO

[chilly thorn]

Old CoD zombies is still fun

[desert island]

i mean u can still play the old games for all those titles but im just saying the current installments are all terribad

[steep ridge]

im a simple person

if it keeps me occupied its a good game

[gaunt gale]

It's never the devs, it's always the directors and board members. I can promise you that.

[steep ridge]

kaminsky release the cooldown!

[desert island]

payday3, killingfloor3, overwatch2, teamfortress2 is dead but i guess its fine, counterstrike2, borderlands3,4, halo4,5,infinite, callofduty after black ops 3

[steep ridge]

we have appeased you but you wont listen to our prayers

[gaunt gale]

!slowmode 415672168953806848 5

[copper solar]

Set 5 minutes slowmode for #👮ron-discussion (native slowmode)

[steep ridge]

id say cold war was pretty good

[gaunt gale]

WAIT WAIT WAIT

[orchid comet]

what

[gaunt gale]

!slowmode 415672168953806848 5s

[copper solar]

Set 5 seconds slowmode for #👮ron-discussion (native slowmode)

[gaunt gale]

There we go

[shy crag]

5min delay :D

[shy crag]

You need app, like who did automated that

[shrewd forge]

Actually i think a 5 minute slowmode is a great idea

[desert island]

he did 5 instead of 5s

which is crazy it defaults to minutes

[desert island]

adler was ok

well who ever said cold war was ok

[eager walrus]

this channel is half dead already that'd just kill it outright

[desert island]

i dont like the whole everyone has body armor now

[shrewd forge]

They should add a stats page to ready or not where you can how many civilians you've "accidentally" killed

[steep ridge]

only 3 for me

[ionic gale]

hi

[steep ridge]

finally im free from the 5m cooldown

[orchid comet]

hey bub

[shrewd forge]

Hi

[desert island]

commander mode is meh

if a cop somehow dies u can instantly hire a new one

[orchid comet]

I need early access to RoN

on console

[shrewd forge]

You can wait a few weeks

[orchid comet]

true we have 2 and a half weeks left

[ionic gale]

I have never played Commander mode

I think the execution of the mode overall seems to be a bit flat, depending on what they were going after

[shrewd forge]

I can't wait to finally be able to play the game with other people because all of my friends are on console

[desert island]

i was assuming they would make it so you would have a police budget

[verbal dagger]

As someone who has played the shit out of this game for years i thought i'd throw this in here - Censoring your game goes against everything that your team once stood for. I supported your game way back in the white box days, specifically because you seemed like a dev team that would do whatever it took to make their project come alive and who would make that experience as gritty and realistic as possible. You are watering down what made your game stand out as unique and worthy of people's time. I also don't believe for a second that you don't have leverage against Sony or other parties you work with to push back against censorship given how large the interest for your game has been on console, and how high those preorder numbers have been.

I was looking forward to getting the judge body pillow to support the team, and to grab the console version even though I have it on PC. At this point I'm good, I'll just sink more hours into insurgency sandstorm while you guys start down the path of changes which will make ready or not another garbage unrealistic shooter that makes its' audience feel nothing.

[heavy topaz]

not reading allat

lemme chatgpt it

[verbal dagger]

nah i'll sum it up, it basically says fuck you void for censoring your game

[heavy topaz]

oh yeah since i’m guessing you know, what are they censoring after console release?

i’m
low-key not informed

[verbal dagger]

all good, i got you

[shy tulip]

Don't have a choice to if they want to release the game on console/certain markets

[verbal dagger]

nah that's a bullshit excuse, given how many pre orders they have and how big the hype has been on the game

they could absolutely fight the censorship

BUT LIKE I WAS SAYING

[shy tulip]

Nope, their options were change it or you cannot sell on that market

[verbal dagger]

wrong

[shy tulip]

Correct

[glass saffron]

They censoring some stuff like changing the child NPC on valley of the dolls to be sleeping instead of spasming since it doesn’t line up with what MS and Sony allow, some other small stuff like nudity changes etc

[shy tulip]

RoN is not anywhere close to being a big enough game to break the rules like triple A companies do

I think even those games get mangled in certain countries, but gotta double check

[heavy topaz]

and i’m also guessing from the rant these changes will
also come to pc for some reason

[shy tulip]

anywaaaaays, they are censoring gore, wang, they are censoring bodies in mass shooting areas, they are censoring some thematic stuff around child sex trafficking and around the general sex trafficking level

[verbal dagger]

this casual guy talks like he's been repeatedly hit in the head with a rock

on ps5 ron has been at the top of pre orders since it's been announced

same with xbox

[shy tulip]

And they wouldn't let the game show up in the first place if they didn't make the changes, that is not a fight that Void, an indie studio, is winning

Let's also keep it civil, I haven't insulted you

[glass saffron]

Probably if they want crossplay to work properly and not cause bugs because of differences on certain platforms

[verbal dagger]

yes it is, given how much money sony and microsoft would lose out on there

[glass saffron]

It’s a bit petty of them tbh

[verbal dagger]

they did also specifically state that it was possible to not do chose changes on pc but that it could make the game unstable and potentially cause issues with crossplay

[ember swift]

add a alice spring map please

[heavy topaz]

so pc is now involved too

[verbal dagger]

yeah, they're censoring pc too

[heavy topaz]

i’ll try to complete as much as i can before they drop the update then

even if it now feels like theyre rushing me

[shy tulip]

Kaminsky and Gerby already discussed how they pushed back, this is the best they got, it simply wasn't going to happen. This is the Sony (for example) that spent a better part of a year not selling to certain regions and only now did it seemingly because of the release of a bigger game

And yes two game builds has issues that prevents it

[glass saffron]

You’ve got time still

[gaunt gale]

No, Sin is right

[verbal dagger]

i dnt care about being rushed, i care about them watering down their own experience and changing what makes ron worth playing to begin with

[gaunt gale]

We're not big enough to say 'Let us do X or we don't release on your platform.'

[heavy topaz]

whats the mission tgat theyre so heavily censoring thats getting these rants about because i’m guessing theres a special mission thats not allowed that i haven’t seen yet

[gaunt gale]

We wouldn't be there if we hadn't made the changes.

[heavy topaz]

or is it a dlc mission

[glass saffron]

Nothing big just a lot of the ones involving child trafficking and such

[gaunt gale]

In short, Gerards ghillie is a few inches longer, the container women have torn shirts instead of being naked, and some mannequins no longer have nipples. Those're some of the most significant visual changes.

[gaunt gale]

No-one said that?

[heavy topaz]

wait is there a container full of naked woman

[glass saffron]

I just understood that from the briefing they put out my fault

[shy tulip]

lol yes on the sex trafficking level benja

Our filter doesn't like that term (bad noodles)

[heavy topaz]

oh then i have 15 days to get to this mission im guessing it’s one of the latter ones

[gaunt gale]

Unless a green or red name says a change has been made, it's not something that has been changed.

[shy tulip]

What about a light green or light red

[gaunt gale]

This post details all of the graphical changes that're being made.

In addition you're losing the ability to mutiliate dead suspects.

[verbal dagger]

those changes stack up no? Like at a certain point are you not making the experience less realistic and more hollywoodesque?

[tall knoll]

Not happy with the change

[verbal dagger]

the gore changes seem especially dissappointing

[gaunt gale]

They don't, no. Because I guarantee you the change is worse in your head than it actually is.

[prisma tusk]

How often do you dismember dead bodies really though?

[verbal dagger]

i doubt that, damage to enemies is one of the most basic things that makes a shooter feel more tangible

[gaunt gale]

There is one singular change. This picture was taken from the dev build, as in the '''''censored'''' build.

[verbal dagger]

and that depends on how often you use shotgun lol

[short crow]

Love it

[heavy topaz]

..so the changes are just clothing up the trafficked bodies and less dismemberment

[shy tulip]

Not being able to dismember when they're alreay dead

[gaunt gale]

☝️

[shy tulip]

Which is something weird that I know a lot of players like

[tall knoll]

Realism

[verbal dagger]

i read that, but the devblog also mentioned less dismemberment and gore in general

[short crow]

Cod doesn't have dismember and people doesn't talk

[shy tulip]

Thems the rules

The devs confirmed that the death part is the only change

Otherwise be free to go at em (until they die)

[heavy topaz]

cod isnt slow paced

[gaunt gale]

``Player-induced dismemberment still has a large presence in the game, but is a little more limited as to when it occurs: when alive enemies are shot they can undergo dismemberment, however once they are dead no further dismemberment occurs. Gore dismemberment effects are still gruesome to communicate the dismal reality of deadly force, yet somewhat less gratuitous or extreme. Ultimately, we consider this an okay compromise considering our gameplay design already dissuades use of lethal force anyway.

Some character art involving torture were tuned down slightly to be less over-the-top. For example, the tortured police informant on Narcos is still covered in fresh wounds and blood, but a bit less so. ``

Word for word, that's what came from the devlog

Nothing there says 'less dismemberment or gore in general'

[verbal dagger]

"yet somewhat less gratuitous or extreme"

[short crow]

Ye

[gaunt gale]

Which is talking about the dismemberment of dead bodies

[west vault]

Im assuming wound decals can still appear on dead bodies just no extra dismemberment?

[gaunt gale]

Correct

[west vault]

Thats fine then

[verbal dagger]

ahhhh, thank you for the clarification, the way that was worded it made it seem like that entire system was less gratuitous or extreme

[viral rock]

read the development briefing (and the comments)

[verbal dagger]

that being said, aren't you worried about constantly having push back on content which is supposed to deal with serious world issues?

[viral rock]

and uh

[west vault]

At least this stuff can be modded back on pc so not that bad

[viral rock]

yikes

[verbal dagger]

like, does it start with this until the game becomes slower rainbow six siege?

[shy tulip]

I think Void is ready to push back when they can, but I don't see much changing unless you start seeing major countries make drasticall different rules (which isn't impossible)

[gaunt gale]

No, because we've passed cert.

[shy tulip]

The game already has mass shootings, human trafficking, substance abuse, general death, etc., I can't think of anything else they could add that would be worse than that.

[gaunt gale]

Siege also went the way it did because it was attempting to compete with CoD and appeal to the mass market.

Ready or Not isn't changing its' DNA

[tall knoll]

General question: For players that still want it, why not implement a build on Steam that the player base can revert to? The build doesn't need to receive updates and could just allow players to change between versions as wanted. Crossplay and new features would be accessible in the new build and the old build can still be playable if players choose that they want it?

[shy tulip]

It's such a minor change that it isn't worth it, especially since next update adds major enough content that people should experience (new maps, difficulties, AI tweaks, etc.)

If someone really wants to they can just use SteamDB.

[verbal dagger]

i mean that's good to hear, i just constantly hear from the movie and gaming industry that things become less dark and grounded to begin to appeal to a larger audiance, at a certain point some developers could potentially just edit the hell out of their already existing stuff so that more kids play it

[west vault]

Im less concerned honestly about the dismemberment thing now bc the only times where im shooting at a body after the fact is when im doing a double tap for dumb rp reasons, as long as wound decals still pop up my immersion isnt broken one bit lol

[crude prism]

(there's gonna be a mod the revert the dismemberment changes relatively quickly I'd bet, if you really want that)

[tall knoll]

Probably

[gaunt gale]

For a couple reasons:

• It'd further segregate the community
• A separate build would have to be maintained, as the main branch continued, the community would demand updates which wouldn't be possible
• Modders would be pressed to make 'new' and 'old' versions of their mods

[shy tulip]

Old version of a mod that uses new mechanics

[verbal dagger]

hmmmm, is there going to be mod support on console at a certain point as well? I know sony can be bitchy about that

[shy tulip]

Doesn't seem like it because of that

which is a shame because that was one of modios core points

[gaunt gale]

Full stop no

[prime wing]

If you have been here before, you would know why more than one build is a horrible idea knowing rons history

[verbal dagger]

fair enough given sony

[tall knoll]

Very true

[shy tulip]

I am hoping though that you can join a PC host using an AI mod and it'll work

but we'll have to see

[tall knoll]

To Ashley's point, will there still be decals on the bodies after they're dead or would shooting the dead body produce blood splatter decals still?

[verbal dagger]

modding has had a very solid scene for awhile now on pc so i'm less worried about that

[gaunt gale]

NAw, not even a Sony thing. Just how our game is built

[shy tulip]

I believe Gerby confirmed bodies still have holes after you shoot

just no

limbs getting turned into vapor

[prime wing]

he did confirmed that

[verbal dagger]

and you're saying that's more a limitation to how much damage bodies take after they die, not any changes to the damage that shots actually do to bodies themselves, correct?

[short crow]

Is it possible to add mod.io to console?

In the future

[gaunt gale]

Nop

[shy tulip]

Is it the issue of having to apply mods as they're installed instead of on restart

I forgor

[tall knoll]

How did R* get around this with RDR 2?

[shy tulip]

It's Rockstar

they get to break the rules

Idk if they had to comply with certain countries like Void has

[verbal dagger]

just to make sure i understand the gore changes correctly, you're basically saying any shot will do as much damage/result in the same gore etc. post censorship, but you won't be able to turn the body into paste like you can in fallout 4 once they're dead

is that right?

[shy tulip]

Yes (I believe)

[tall knoll]

It's just odd considering there are a good amount of games that don't need to follow that

[crude prism]

no more chicken-nugget-ing corpses

[shy tulip]

But what if the entire swat team shoots them at the same time

[crude prism]

because suspects are instantly killed on the first frame of dismemberment, it's unlikely that you will even be able to remove 2 limbs with one shot

[shy tulip]

[crude prism]

are these games perhaps AAA with giant industry moving lobbying power?

[verbal dagger]

i mean, if that's the case that does sound super watered down, unrealistic and unsatisfying

especially considering that plenty of developers get away with tons of gore effects

plenty of indie devs as well

[shy tulip]

Thems the rules they were given

[prime wing]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-im-on-to-you-caught-caught-in-4k-noticing-gif-14873868227416121366

[heavy topaz]

what about just disabling desmemberment after 2 seconds of them dying

instead of it being instant

[crude prism]

we don't know how it functions, I'm simply guessing off of how the game treats "alive" and "dead" in the current patch

[verbal dagger]

i mean, as someone who has played the game for years that's what sounds incorrect to me, like there seems to be plenty of ways where those systems could stay more true to the original gore systems that void had while still getting cert

[gaunt gale]

Yes.

[heavy topaz]

i hope it’s just not instant because yhat would make it pretty much worse

[shy tulip]

Biggest thing I've learned today is that publishing games is hard and complicated. There's apparently different restrictions for digital and physical, so if you think of a game, maybe it was digital only and didn't have to deal with physical restrictions.

then of course the different countries/regions

and finally consoles

[heavy topaz]

talking about physical is there gonna be RON disks?

[crude prism]

How many times are you shot gunning a suspect before they hit the floor? Like actually?

Unless you go out of your way to brutalize corpses, there will be no difference in gameplay.

[shy tulip]

Yes

[shy tulip]

The average RoN player will do that

[heavy topaz]

eh like 7 times

[shy tulip]

saw a negative review complaining that they can't turn Amos into a nugget now (it was not phrased like that)

[heavy topaz]

i shoot them until they drop

OH SHOTGUNNING

i don’t use shotguns

[crude prism]

yeah I gotta get footage now for the eventual "me when stummy ache" meme

[crude prism]

then you literally cannot experience dismemberment anyways

[verbal dagger]

i mean, maybe i should reserve judgement until i see what that looks like after the patch, but what you're describing does sound outright worse and less realistic which is frustrating as fuck

(i do also shoot things until they can never move again)

[heavy topaz]

well me not using them right now doesn’t mean i would still not enjoy seeing it disable after a few seconds because what if me abd a teammate shoot thr suspect twice

auto correct really doesn’t work these days

[crude prism]

yeah I'm hoping there's a small window on it too

[heavy topaz]

besides, what people enjoy just sitting there and shooting dead suspects

[prime wing]

also releasing a game once for 1.0 that meets all guidelines from the get go.

Instead of reworking a game several times in early access since 2021, reworking stuff for 1.0 and then adjusting to console ratings (game is not done)

[shy tulip]

All I'm sayin is

If we were back in the days of release being the end of development

I wouldn't have such a headache

#NormalizeAbandoningGamesAgain

[tall knoll]

Do the same as was done for HD2

[verbal dagger]

Depends on the game, RON was always meant to have content after release and I think it's doing it the right way by having DLC's instead of constantly producing cosmetics and things to milk their users' pockets with

it's fine for a game to only have so many dlcs though

[tall knoll]

I meant from a community perspective

[heavy topaz]

just bought the 2 dlcs for like 6 bucks

[sullen creek]

starting to think that the body pillow was to soften the blow of the censorship

[verbal dagger]

they're good dlcs

and for sure joe, that's why i won't buy one

[tall knoll]

Per a negative review, "Softer than their body pillow apparently."

[verbal dagger]

i'm glad steam is losing it about the censorship, it makes no sense

[shrewd forge]

The body pillow definitely didn't make me soft

[verbal dagger]

there are plenty of games, indie and not, which are far gorier

[prime wing]

games that made it to console?

[verbal dagger]

yes

dying light for one

[heavy topaz]

you just made me remember dead island 2

[verbal dagger]

yup, dead island, darktide, path of exile, insurgency

[gaunt gale]

Genuinely completely separate

We're not that clever.

[heavy topaz]

coincidence innit

[prisma tusk]

Not everything is a grand conspiracy 😭

[gaunt gale]

We've been working on the presentation of this newsletter for a while

[prime wing]

the game was published by warner bros. Im certain having that lobby power and name its gonna push through some doors easily.

(dying light)

[verbal dagger]

doom, cyberpunk, hell let loose, resident evil, mortal kombat

[prime wing]

Yeah those games with huge publishers

[gaunt gale]

All big brands.

[verbal dagger]

insurgency

one which was just team 17 like you almost partnered with

[tall knoll]

Dead Island, Doom, RDR 2, Dying Light, Dead Space, Fallout, Prototype, Gears of War, Dead Rising...

[verbal dagger]

plenty of the games we're listing were far smaller in terms of pre order sizes and popularity around console release too

[heavy topaz]

oh god ready or not is 50 bucks

i think i might be too used to steam prices

[verbal dagger]

and warframe..
and chivalry....

[heavy topaz]

console seems unreal

[tall knoll]

It's probably some country restriction

and not a console restriction

[verbal dagger]

and if that's the case fuck those countries

[gaunt gale]

Yes but those are either big studios or backed by big publishers, if they're not big then they're not getting a physical release which is the kicker here.

We're going to be in storefronts

[verbal dagger]

that seems like a pretty poor trade off

if physical release is the big kicker

[heavy topaz]

..so what would be the difference if you had no physical release? what benefits would it bring

[verbal dagger]

and a lot of the games on those lists were indie devs just as small as you

and frankly i only care because i've loved this game for such a long time and have supported it for ages, and frankly i was looking forward to supporting it much longer as well

there's not a single other gaming discord that i've posted on or chatted on lol

[sullen creek]

i think that its not all black and white though like its not completely changing levels it just small stuff i just think some people are over reacting like VOID just sold out.

[verbal dagger]

i get that joe, but given that it changes pc too it's beyond frustrating, and at a certain point it does change the experience

and with ron the experience people want is something that is super grounded and gritty

[vague locust]

that sucks, at least you still get it in insurgency

probs as simple to bypass as getting a mod that brings back the gore?

[median spruce]

How bad is the nudity in RoN? I’m thinking of getting it but if it’s really bad I’m not gonna. I’ve seen a little bit of reviews about it mentioning it but it doesn’t seem too bad I just want to make sure

[verbal dagger]

welp, they will be censoring it so you won't have to worry about that anymore lol

[vague locust]

scantily clad women on the nightclub but i think theyre all dressed, and ||naked human trafficking girls in the final mission||

[verbal dagger]

and yes raian, although that does mean you won't get the intended level of violence with gun exchanges on console

[vague locust]

rip ronsole

[tall knoll]

Void is going to lose money on physical releases

[gaunt gale]

[verbal dagger]

❤️

[gaunt gale]

Brother, none of the gore is changing. Everything is going to be as meaty and bloody as it's been, you just can't blow limbs off dead bodies with a shotgun.

[sullen creek]

yea like it sucks I'm not trying to dick ride VOID i just think for what they said the things they are changing it seams vary minor

[verbal dagger]

I mean, like we were saying earlier it kind of depends on how those changes are implemented, like if the system detects an AI is dead within a millisecond does that mean that an entire squad team opening up on a suspect will result in a very small level of damage and gore effects?

[tall knoll]

Just dissapointing when there was a commitment to realism

[sullen creek]

i get that

[verbal dagger]

exactly, and especially given that there are plenty of other examples of games that have waaaaaay more gore and are on console

(and i mean way more gore than ron has now lol)