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[stone bay]

The M4 kicks ass

Is there a way to stop the bots from automatically gathering evidence and restraining suspects? It's fucking annoying when I'm giving a fall-in order and one dude is off arresting a corpse.

[hexed leaf]

you could use the 'hold' command but even thats a little janky a lot of the time

[gleaming fable]

me and the homies when we play that map with 15+ai with their hp set to a 1000.

[cloud drum]

Can i get Metal of Valor in multiplayer?

[gleaming fable]

i believe that achievement can only be done in singleplayer.

[amber dock]

^

[next olive]

bro got that temu double aught
buckshot is a 1-tap on suspects for me

[frail quartz]

I'm pretty sure buckshot is a 1-tap on all suspects, but it also has terrible penetration so body armor will block it pretty easily

[river tide]

would range be a variable?

[crude prism]

the damage doesn't really fall off (from 40 per pellet to 35 per pellet at 150+ meters) it's more just the spread that'll get ya

the only map you won't consistently 1 tap people would be like port

[hardy plinth]

Hi I just wanted to check whether it was worth it to pick up the game again
I last played in March but it doesn't seem like there were any patches since then

[crude prism]

nothing since March, first DLC should come out "before the end of spring" with new content 👍

[hardy plinth]

Hmm I guess that's nice

I'd still like to see the game being fully fixed too

The netcode for multiplayer is ass

[stone bay]

try out "Maximum suspects"

[gleaming fable]

try gunfighter for some QOL improvements

[stone bay]

PUP SWAT To LARP as 90's to Mid 2000's LAPD SWAT

[stone bay]

I got S Rank on 23 Megabytes Per Second with lethal weapons on me and all my teammates because I flushed every suspect out with CS

[delicate parcel]

that one used to kick my ass for some reason. CS is a godsend

[gleaming fable]

spicy air

[jolly peak]

Never really considered this, but are there any other modes other than Barricaded Suspects? If yes, how do I change it?

[next olive]

the original "modes" are still around
not sure if you can change it off of the pre-set mode of the map (i.e elephant is active shooter, hotel is hostage rescue) or if you can change it in modmaking considering ive never seen a modded map that wasnt barricaded suspects

[thin chasm]

you can use in game menu to force the game to load the other modes but i dont know if it works

[stone bay]

I just checked, it doesn't work.

[delicate parcel]

valley of the dolls was deceptively difficult to S rank

[long parrot]

Somehow the first map I ever S ranked lol

[delicate parcel]

i kept getting A+ because one guy would just seemingly die of heart failure. it happened several times

[long parrot]

I just had that happen on elephant and I don’t really feel like spending another 15 minutes running around the school searching for people hiding in closets after a 30 sec gunfight

[delicate parcel]

yeah, the hardest part of elephant was definitely finding everybody

[long parrot]

You really shouldn’t have to manually hunt down every civilian once you’ve restored order lol, this game needs a few big changes

Like that is not SWATs job we dealt with the danger now dumb cops can come in and clear all civvies out

[delicate parcel]

it would be nice to just send my AI to do it once the threats are dealt with, like with the weapons lying around afterwards

[long parrot]

You can if you tell them to secure an area, it works really well sometimes and has saved me after looking for the last civilian for 10 minutes

But sometimes it straight up doesn’t work

[delicate parcel]

it's great for big open areas

[long parrot]

Some maps I know really well but at the end still can’t find the last dude so I just send my team and I guess they sometimes know wheee thhe are

[long parrot]

Yeah indoors it doesn’t work really lol

[delicate parcel]

i still have another 7 missions to try and S rank for full completion

[tender ingot]

I’ve not played in a super long time, has the AI been fixed

[stone bay]

Sort of. They no longer have superhuman reaction times, but they now aim for the limbs, which is annoying tbh.

[stone stump]

they still do :P

[stone bay]

I could’ve sworn that was one of the things they fixed a couple updates ago, but I guess not.

The SWAT AI is still broken

[stone stump]

they mainly changed their accuracy

[winter lake]

Here's the trailer for my first Campaign Overhaul, Ready or Not: Redux. Currently in beta testing.
This mod is not an AI config update: it reworks the campaign maps themselves, adding new spawns, AI behaviors, considerations, objectives, voicelines, story, and more. It also brings back modes such as Bomb Threat and Hostage.
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[stone bay]

Should I get this game

yes

Is it worth it

thats kind of personal preference

I'd say so though

if you're into tactical shooters it's completely worth it

and multiplayer is fun

Thank you

[stone bay]

Some of the voicelines make sense, yet also are somewhat asinine

“I got cuffs”

Good, I’m glad you remembered to bring along basic fucking police equipment

[severe tiger]

should i get this game, I didn't play fps games as realistic as this one yet, only played cod zombies and mw19 mp a bit

[stone bay]

Absolutely, it’s a blast. Mods make it even better.

[severe tiger]

and do you "NEED" a mic to actually capture these war criminals when playing online

[buoyant pecan]

This game’s fanbase pisses me off some times

Mfs take themselves so fucking serious

Someone told me “see, that’s your problem” just cause I thought some weapons and customization options would be cool that committed the unholy sin of not being 100% realistic tactical immersive (even though that’s already the case with multiple items already in the game)

Like who tf says “that’s your problem” about something someone else just thinks would be cool in a video game

Like that’s the type of shit you say to someone who’s a pathological liar or does hypocritical things not “see that’s your problem, you want a gun in the game that errmmmm they WOULDNT USE”

Nevermind the AK and G36C or the fact that you can do a raid wearing a Hawaiian shirt

This why I never tried Ground Branch cause I heard all the players are angry tryhard larpers

[split heron]

Your AI teamates try to pick up evidence or body in fatal funnel.

Tatical

[buoyant pecan]

TOC to entry team, this video is sponsored by Rocket Money

[fossil palm]

in multiplayer yes but if you play with yourself.
However I'm there are mods where you can speak the commands instead of the mmb and nums

[fossil palm]

I thought it was "talk" not toc

[tacit gull]

I think the F90 is even more out of left field, also there are videos of operators going in in hawaiian shirts lmao, the MMA shorts piss me off though

[buoyant pecan]

Tactical Operation Command

(I think that’s what it stands for)

[tacit gull]

Also Ground Branch is just a shit game that's never going to get finished and the community for it is dead

[buoyant pecan]

Yeah I feel like people pick and choose what immersion breaking they’re okay with lol

Like, sorry I think a FAMAS would be cool, but it’s not like the game doesn’t already have unrealistic options

[tacit gull]

famas would be crazy

1000 rpm uncontrollable rifle

[wraith basin]

Definetly need FAMAS in this game

[tacit gull]

If the next weapon we get is just "AR-15 variant #3895" i'm screaming

[wraith basin]

Exactly.

[fossil palm]

Tactical Operations Center
https://ready-or-not.fandom.com/wiki/TOC

[amber dock]

Best gun

[wraith basin]

Noo :( Can we have something else, pls?

[gloomy lava]

have yall joined a lobby with a guy named WatchMenWakeUpOnYT

we are trying to shut him up

[worldly patrol]

can moderation not do anything to stop him

[lost inlet]

what the mods on discord gonna do to him in game?

[worldly patrol]

nah im talking about people with void interactive role

[silk junco]

they can’t

[lost inlet]

so you want the dev to yoink the game back from watchmen?

[umbral oar]

unfortunately it’s his lobby and it’s up to us to just leave

[worldly patrol]

game bans

[lost inlet]

can't anyway, this isn't gta online

[worldly patrol]

gamebans are a built in feature

[stone stump]

hard to see people speaking facts these days (i'm talking about you, not the preacher)

[stone stump]

no. you can ban someone from your lobby, that's it

[misty island]

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[misty island]

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[misty island]

Drop chemlights till his PC crashes.

[twilit vault]

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[upbeat heath]

wait

i just realized i can change the video from sins of the father theatre

might as well put a low quality markiplier video there

i wish that the startup intro didnt get removed

[ripe solar]

Guys, what gun is recommended for the 23 Megabytes a Second mission?

[stone bay]

SA58

[ripe solar]

Thanks.

[sharp geyser]

AAC Honey Badger

[ripe solar]

Ok

[opaque birch]

shotgun + gas

[bronze sequoia]

My game's framerate dies sometimes when I choose a mission and when that happens the game lags so hard that I go full robot in discord because it's struggling so hard, anyone else have this problem?

[cobalt flame]

Heya! I was thinking about getting this since it was on sale atm. I have a few questions

1 how is the performance/optimization

2 how good is the gameplay

3 how good is the stealth/combat an how in depth is it with mechanics

4 how many hours of playtime can this offer

5 is it worth the £27 price tag

I enjoy games like ghost recond breakpoint/wild lands

I've pretty much only heard that this is a pretty tactical game.. I have not seen any gameplay as of yet and I sorta want to go in blind to some extent

[soft narwhal]

Performance is very subjective, as people with great pcs have issues, and others don't have any issues.
I can only give my experience playing on a i7 8700k, 9700k and rtx 2060, 3060 and ryzen 9 7900x 407,

My performance has been stable at medium high 1080p with about 70-90fps. There is a lot of micro stuttering but typically this is done within 3 minutes or so for shaders to compile.

For me now with my 4070, I'm playing at ultra 1440p with about 120fps constantly with thr micro stuttering but it goes away completely after a minute or so.

Give the game a try and see how your performance as it's very subjective atm.

The gunplay is the best part of Ron but the gameplay tends to get repetitive after about 40-50hours. There's about 18 maps total, with 29 different weapons to use maybe 31 if I forgot to include the Less than lethal weapons.

There is customization to change your plate carrier, helmet, shirt, pants, boots, belt.

Each time you play there's a grading system, the more suspects you manage to arrest without killing or incapacitating = more points to a higher score.
To get S rank ( the highest) you need to go full non lethal including your AI teammates if solo.

The better your rank the more customization you'll unlock from that map.

Stealth system is almost non existent, but you can sneak your way around by slow walking and peeking doors and slowly opening them to gain the upper hand on a suspect if possible, but this is a very slow way to play and requires time and patience.

The AI does know how to take cover and will fight back when you engage, if you lose line of sigh, they'll keep spraying where they saw you last, then they'll come investigate usually where they saw you last or try to find you, but the AI is very much still a WIP.
Game is definitely worth the sale price tag, not full price.
It's very much a tactical game where you can apply real tactics and usually end up on top but definitely the best thing I can recommend is to be dynamic and adjust on the fly.

Oh and the music is very awesome during combat

[cobalt flame]

okie doke :D tank uuuuuuuuu ill pick it up rn
sounds like somthing id sorta enjoy

idk what it is but theres somthing abt like really tactical games that punishes the player for being way to aggresive and not taking the time to check stuff and all tha

[soft narwhal]

You can definitely be aggressive here and not be punished at all, if you're aggressive correctly not just blindly pushing for the sake of it.

There's only 2 maps I think? That have door traps to explode, but typically just opening doors fully swinging them will alert the AI to your presence and be "ready" to shoot if you go into their line of sight.

Otherwise if you catch them off guard you can usually get a shot or 2 off before they even have a chance to shoot back.

The AI does listen to you and your footsteps when you're fast walking and normal walking. Not slow walking.

The more you shoot, the more stressed out suspects get and more combative they'll get or potentially surrender.

[cobalt flame]

i see i see so sorta like plan the agression type of thing? like if you can identify how many people are in a room?

[soft narwhal]

Game definitely has flaws but at a 40% sale, it's definitely worth. Not full price imo.

[soft narwhal]

Yeah, kinda. As soon as you open a door if there's a suspect behind the door in tbe room, they're gonna turn to the door and shoot you instantly if they see you when they turn

[cobalt flame]

i see i see

ill try it :> sounds pretty fun

[soft narwhal]

If you don't like it, definitely refund. But I don't think it should be passed on with the current sale tbh.

[cobalt flame]

the game is still going to get major updates or bug fixes?

[soft narwhal]

Yes

[cobalt flame]

oo cool

[soft narwhal]

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[cobalt flame]

ty!

[soft narwhal]

Their road map

[cobalt flame]

oh thats actually rly cool

[thorny warren]

i did many solo S runs, now i tried doing them without getting injured at all and its hard...

[cobalt flame]

my main look for these types of games is will i get more hours than money i paid yk? like just how good is the replay ability

[winter pendant]

700 hrs for me

[south lagoon]

bro why no family sharing????

bro this is shitttttttttttttttttttttttttt

[stone bay]

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[cobalt flame]

:0

also as for my pc specs i got a 7950x and rtx 4080 so im pretty looking forward to playing

[thorny warren]

like, it's super easy with an M4 (at least on maps like 23 megabytes a second) but with a beanbag...

[cobalt flame]

ill probs end up setting myself some challenges like secondary only or no ai or somthing idk ill see what options the game has to offer

[soft narwhal]

That's definitely how you can get the most out of the game if you end up liking the base / foundation

[thorny warren]

playing with noswat is not really a challenge for me, in fact it might be a bit easier because they dont block my way etc and it's more immersive

[cobalt flame]

ty for le help guys!

so pretty much almost like a rougelike to some extent? with random spawns

[soft narwhal]

There is some random spawns, but not super random like a rougelike game. The AI spawn and they can wander around, but usually you'll pick up on where they are after playing for a bit tbh

[cobalt flame]

mhmhm i seee

[rare rivet]

Welp I just left a pretty lengthy review of this game, I want to love this game so much... But I just can't atm. This feels more like a high adrenaline Milsim terrorist hunt game rather than the Police SWAT game it is supposed to be. I hope this changes in the future.

[winged hornet]

Honestly that’s a good way of putting it

[cobalt flame]

Tbf game seem to recently fully launched but I do hope the devs tune it a lil better which they probs will

[rare rivet]

1.0 Release yes, but technically the game has been out since Dec 2021.. I've been playing this game since it came out and it's sadly always been like this. The enemy AI have little to no life preservation. They literally just try to kill you with little to no hesitation. Doesn't matter what the mission is, and this has been a complaint by many fans of the game for some time now. I stated this in my review; It would be fine if some of the missions are like this, all for the sake of story intensity and what not. But the fact that pretty much EVERY mission is like this, where the AI will literally charge you and just unload on you... Makes the game feel more like a Milsim than anything. This game needs more AI running away, hiding, trying to save themselves and live more than anything. Them taking a hostage isn't even life preserving at this point. They literally just grab the person and then start shooting. And god forbid you run out of grenades.. You're practically forced to shoot them, which costs you.. Especially if you hit the hostage.

[half crescent]

Yeah, there are really weird quirks that have made me review the same. One for example, is that you will see suspect AI gun barrels through solid closed doors if they are standing in front of it. Completely immersion breaking and disenchanting. There are at least like 10 other issues just like that.

[rare rivet]

And yes there is the "non-lethal" option, but not only is that absolutely insanely hard on some missions... But incredibly unrealistic as well. There is gonna be SOME lethality in it.. But it shouldn't be the whole point of the game is basically what I am saying

[rare rivet]

Thats another issue. I kick a door in an AI's face and it does nothing lmfao. That should make him fall or something. Or surpise him at the LEAST. Not just immediately beaming me with a rifle.

[half crescent]

I don't think S rank should work the way it does now. Neither should bomb defusal or active shooting missions 🤷‍♂️ but that's just my high expectations of one of my favorite games.

[civic zinc]

and outside of combat it can be sobering

[rare rivet]

No I am on the same page as you with that. S tier should be that you accomplished the mission with zero incidents.

[half crescent]

They can melee you to death but you can't melee them to death. You're melee doesn't work half the time. They can shoot you point blank without their gun being obstructed but your gun will instantly be obstructed. If the enemy gets TOO CLOSE you have issues meleeing them. Lmao, can't melee/push an enemy because they get too close.

(my experience)

refer to #📩feedback-reports-channel message

around a year ago

[rare rivet]

Call me overcritical but I don't think this game was ready for a full 1.0 release... But that's just my opinion. I love this game and I want it to succeed but my review said it all lol

[rare rivet]

The point of this is?

[tawdry trench]

ngl I love how RON doesnt disable achievements when you enable mods

very nice change of pace from paradox games

[civic zinc]

i'd be inclined to agree
the ai on 1.0 was way overtuned
i would like to see the old gamemode system return, and some of the old maps like wenderly hills hotel would've been nice to see at least available to play

[rare rivet]

Yeah but it limits your score I think

[tawdry trench]

I dont think it does, I've gotten S rankings on every map thanks to no mercy for terrorists

[rare rivet]

Really? I always see the warning on the grades but idk. Maybe not implemented yet?

[tawdry trench]

nah I think its just for screenshots

[stone bay]

The only thing I’ve seen it mess with is replays.

[rare rivet]

Interesting

[tawdry trench]

personally I dont think mods should limit your score anyway

people should be able to enjoy the game the way they want to, even if some people subscribe to the dev curated experience

[rare rivet]

I agree, I was just stating what I thought I saw

[tawdry trench]

Honestly idk what I would've done on ides of march without the saiga 12

[civic zinc]

FAL my beloved

[rare rivet]

Yeah they should bring the old mission stuff back. Added more replayability imho. The story mode is nice too, maybe do the old system for the freeplay mode or something. And the Commander mode can be the story mode like it is now

[tawdry trench]

Loved the FAL on the warehouse map

[civic zinc]

i never got to play the full version of wenderly hills hotel and that upsets me

[rare rivet]

idk personally I just feel this game is out of touch with reality for what its supposed to be... Like no one robs a gas station in body armor and ARs in hand lol. And a Streamer with an AK-47 and full fledged militant groupies? This game kinda feels like an overglorified Ground Branch or Insurgency more than a SWAT game lol. I have my hopes though.

[civic zinc]

the gas station enemies only wear hoodies and use shitty pistols
the streamer's security detail is similarly poorly equipped although they do have shotguns and ak's

the majority of maps are up against criminal organizations or straight up paramilitary groups

[rare rivet]

I distinctly remember seeing an armored enemy on gas station at one point

[civic zinc]

and the ones that arent have proportionally equipped enemies

[civic zinc]

i think you may have confused a backwards backpack for body armour

either that or your game is severely modded

[rare rivet]

None of the above

[rare rivet]

And this is my point. This is supposed to be a SWAT game lol

[civic zinc]

then it was a freak accident of code or misremembering something

[tacit gull]

were you playing on a public server?

[rare rivet]

No, I always run solo or with friends

[tacit gull]

Were your friends hosting then? Did the host have any mods?

[civic zinc]

the point of the missions isnt supposed to be Judge's daily life, it's supposed to be his 18 worst days on the job over the course of about a year and a half

a mission where you have a 19 hour standoff and no shots fired in a mall robbery would not be very interesting to play

[rare rivet]

You're point? There is no one out there in reality as kitted up as the people you see in this game lol

I feel like I am going against a terrorist organization in most of these missions more than actual casual criminals.

[tacit gull]

Well you kind of are

[civic zinc]

casual criminals arent as interesting to fight

[rare rivet]

Thats not police/swat then lol

If that is the direction they want to go, then make it a Milsim

[rare rivet]

Bruh statement right here lol

[civic zinc]

you're acting as if swat never raids places used by large criminal organizations

[tacit gull]

And i do kind of agree with you, everything being so high stakes all the time desensitises you from it, there's like 2 missions that feel calmer and it makes terrorists seem like an everyday thing in los suenos

[rare rivet]

Game is too boring so lets make it unrealistic, k 🤣

[tacit gull]

Also the game is anything but realistic in most of it's mechanics

This is probably the least egregious

[rare rivet]

Give me 5 news stories where SWAT raided an area as similar as the missions in this game

FBI? National Guard? Or some type of federal entity? Sure. Not some local PD SWAT lol

[tacit gull]

My guy who cares if it's not literally real life, that's a terrible hill to die on

[civic zinc]

i do understand the point of wanting more low level missions, i may have come off like i dont
my main point is that the game is trying to tell an interesting narrative in a terrible city, and they decided they wanted more missions centred around that story

[rare rivet]

Only places I could realistically see coming close would be LA or some other high crime major city.

[tacit gull]

You can make other arguments for why that's a bad thing, but it not being real is a terrible one

[civic zinc]

it is supposed to be a neo-noire dystopia

[rare rivet]

Uhhh the game definition?

[half crescent]

it’s currently a weird mix of appealing to both tactical players and call of duty players
➡️it was an early controversy of veterans and milsim supporters of ready or not
(Sry am on mobile)

[rare rivet]

You are advertising a POLICE SWAT game... And releasing a Militarized Tactical shooter lol

[rare rivet]

Plenty of reviews and other people that would disagree with you. This game was supposed to be different. Instead right now its an overglorified Insurgency Sandstorm lol.

It's supposed to be slow and strategic. But instead I am running around shooting everyone because the AI want nothing more than to kill you

LITERALLY THE BASE OF THE GAME is to preserve life. That is how you get the best score. But how can you do that when the AI barely surrender, are kitted up to the max, and want nothing more than you dead? lol

[tacit gull]

I'd honestly go as far to say that insurgency sandstorm is more realistic, how close to real life something is isn't a good metric to criticise a product

[rare rivet]

Thats solely your opinion my guy lol

[civic zinc]

i can say the same thing about your criticism of the game's realism

[crude prism]

as opposed to the opinions you're spitting? or?

[tacit gull]

It's not, that's just a horrible critique

[rare rivet]

Telling someone how to criticize a product isn't a very good argument. Yet here you are

[tacit gull]

That would be like criticising a book's events for not happening in real life like WHAT

[civic zinc]

your problem is you find it hard to suspend your disbelief

[rare rivet]

Your logic is so flawed, and yet your argument is "Your critism sucks" lol

[long parrot]

True I hate that game lol

[civic zinc]

the game indeed has a rather large focus on its overarching narrative of the "spider" criminal organization and it's effects on the in game world

that means most of its missions are centred around better equipped suspects than you would see in real life

[stone bay]

i am curious why so many of the missions are cult-oriented yet we dont have something simple like a bank robbery

[tacit gull]

There's way better things to dislike about the game's story, like the plot holes, inconsistencies, poor acting/writing etc.

[rare rivet]

See this is why games suck these days, because you get people like this who just crap on you for having a logical criticism of the game and attack you with zero logic or valid argument lol

[stone bay]

story-wise game is meh gameplay wise its pretty good

[half crescent]

You’ll probably find one in an upcoming DLC lol

[crude prism]

Truth be told I don't think RoN (Void) has the capacity to be something more story driven and interactions personalized, the game would have to be rebuilt from the ground up.

Even the old SWAT games being more story based/etc severely limit the replayability.

RoN leans into the AI being random and independent instead of set spawns/story events/etc etc etc

[civic zinc]

(the evidence locker puts the missions in a completely different order than the campaign)

[rare rivet]

Who tf are you to tell someone what they should like/dislike about the game? lmfao

That right there cancles any and all arguments from you

[stone bay]

as far as tactical shooters go its probably one of the better ones out there

[civic zinc]

your argument centred on the value and quality of it's realism, we argued against it
the value people place in the realism of a game is very subjective so its not a very helpful argument to have

[rare rivet]

I can agree with this. Just doesn't fit the theme, and now I got these kids seething because I gave negative feedback lol

[crude prism]

If you wanted the other thing, that's fine, but RoN does what it intends to well. At least aesthetically, they can always work out the kinks with the AI and stuff as they go. (see latest post about weird AI vision stuff)

[tacit gull]

Someone who's capable of making objective and fair critiques, rather than how i realistic i think the game is

[half crescent]

true, I like it for that. I do wish there was a lot more competition tho. Grey Zone Warfare is a new one but it's an extraction shooter. I'm currently looking forward to Unrecord and/or Bodycam.

[rare rivet]

Terrible argument

[tacit gull]

Shouting terrible argument at every message i send isn't gonna make it untrue lmao

[rare rivet]

The "realism" I was speaking of was the fact that the game is out of touch with the theme it is supposed to represent

[crude prism]

Unironically.

Like what other contenders are there? GB? OHD? Arma?

[civic zinc]

and im arguing that you misinterpret it's intended theme

[tacit gull]

That is something completely different

[rare rivet]

Learn how to count and actually use logic, then talk to me. Because at this point it looks as if you are just trolling and trying to instigate a fight

[tacit gull]

If you want to criticise it for that that's fine, but calling it unrealistic doesn't really make your point make sense

[crude prism]

💀

[rare rivet]

I encourage you to read the games description, then get back to me

[stone bay]

yeah exactly. as far as shooters go im not really sure what else can compete with the high-intensity firefights. insurgency is pretty much CoD hardcore at this point, ground branch feels like a mobile game, ghost recon breakpoint is super fictional (not that im complaining)

arma & squad are cool but very squad-focused

[civic zinc]

Los Sueños – The LSPD reports a massive upsurge in violent crime across the greater Los Sueños area. Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT) teams have been dispatched to respond to various scenes involving high-risk hostage situations, active bomb threats, barricaded suspects, and other criminal activities. Citizens are being advised to practice caution when traveling the city or to stay at home.

"massive upsurge in violent crime" is represented well by it's lower intensity missions

[rare rivet]

Again, dictating to someone on how to criticize a product isn't an argument. People are allowed to have opinions, and you saying "well your opinion sucks" just makes you look bad

[tacit gull]

That's not what i said, but alright

[crude prism]

"I think that sand is the best topping for pizza"

your opinion sucks

"erm, aren't you being rude?"

[civic zinc]

Ready or Not is an intense, tactical, first-person shooter that depicts a modern-day world in which SWAT police units are called to defuse hostile and confronting situations.

[rare rivet]

See yalls arguments are how I know yall don't know reality and what SWAT is and what this game is trying to be lol

[long parrot]

Only this game has really scratched the itch I have for a tactical shooting, years ago zero hour was pretty fun for a few hours

[stone bay]

bingo. and lets not forget the beautiful sound design

[crude prism]

nobody wants to play a ~REAL~ SWAT simulator

we want the fantasized and compressed version that is engaging and can properly PRESENT itself as a SWAT shooter, albeit if not "realistic"

[long parrot]

Yeah there’s nothing else like it I just hope for more content

[stone bay]

i love how suppressors actually sound like suppressors and not a .22lr

[civic zinc]

i'll refrain from copy/pasting the entire steam page but it makes a point about swat teams being called in for all kinds of situations in this universe

[rare rivet]

Then either make it a milsim or don't play it? Because I am sure there are plenty of people that would like a real swat game. Just because YOU don't want it, doesn't mean OTHERS don't lol

[frail quartz]

What's considered a real SWAT game in this context?

[crude prism]

bro wants to sit outside a building for hours until the suspect shoots themselves or comes out with their hands up

[rare rivet]

Gamer logic 10/10

I don't want it so others def wont

[civic zinc]

ill give you that the ai is more aggressive than it should be @rare rivet

[frail quartz]

Yeah I think they talked about working on that in the newsletters

[stone bay]

a lot of the issues people complain about can very easily be fixed by any of the great mods for this game

[crude prism]

compared to 1.0, the AI is already way dialed back, you'll get tons of hesitations, people who try and flee, etc etc etc

[rare rivet]

You would think people wouldn't want to spend hours on a realistic mission in the middle of Afgan, but Arma exists and people do it. Different people have different likes. Hating on them for having different likes than you... ouch lol

[civic zinc]

and ill even give you that it could have more missions that involve lower level crimes like bank robbery against suspects similar to the gas station enemies @rare rivet

[tacit gull]

My guy is just making a blanket statement and then complaining when people call him out for not being able to emphasize what he finds wrong with the game
We're not the ones who are out of touch with reality my guy

[crude prism]

Tactical shooters: niche market

Tactical shooters where people want absolute 1-1 realism: nonexistant

[tacit gull]

If anyone disagrees with you it just means your opinon is wrong apparently

[rare rivet]

See we can agree on something, other than @tacit gull continuously talking trash because he doesn't agree with me lol

[tacit gull]

😩 some people can't read

[rare rivet]

Bro is literally projecting at this point lol

[stone bay]

we definitely do need more realistic situations. sorry but pulling up to a cult of heavily-armed badass women seems more like a national guard issue

[strong crag]

my swat ai wont listen to commands such as "breach" "open" "move" etc, any idea how to fix?

[crude prism]

you're trolling with this comment, lmao

[rare rivet]

100%

[half crescent]

Replace the AI with humans. They are constantly trying to get rid of us but we won't let the AI revolution win!
disclaimer - I don't know how to fix it.

[rare rivet]

Definitely not. Not my fault you cant accept it lol

[civic zinc]

but i dont see why the harder missions against better equipped suspects dont have a place especially when the game is supposed to be depicting the worst aspects of a worse version of LA

[frail quartz]

If SWAT isn't equipped to deal with heavily armed barricaded suspects then what are they equipped for?

[civic zinc]

@rare rivet

[rare rivet]

Explain

[civic zinc]

you're also being just as mean spirited

[stone bay]

thats not wrong and probably a bad example on my part. but for instance the neon nightclub is not something swat would be deployed to, thats 100% national guard

[frail quartz]

Alot of the scenarios depicted in game are exaggerated for the sake of gameplay and social commentary

[rare rivet]

Sorry but I am not the type to just sit down and take it when you attack me lol. Especially for just sharing an opinion that 5 other people literally agreed with me on before everyone started seething

[crude prism]

do you want to wait for the national guard at that point? like it seems like they cordoned the area and then sent in swat as fast as possible

[stone bay]

not that im complaining about the high-intensity ones, i would just like to see more lax ones like a bank robbery gone wrong

[rare rivet]

And thats fine, I have nothing wrong with that. The only thing I was saying was to either make the game more like its advertised or change the theme lol. But a lot of these people got hurt because I gave negative feedback to their precious game.

[frail quartz]

The home invasion DLC is presumably going to be much less intense judging by what they've said about it

[stone bay]

yeah but its only like 1 map unfortunately.

[frail quartz]

No, it's multiple?

[stone bay]

is it?

[frail quartz]

Yes.

[chrome kiln]

me when I spread misinformation

[crude prism]

didn't they say 3+ (?)

[stone bay]

oh dope i thought it was literally just one

[rare rivet]

SWAT are deployed for instances like a bank robbery or barricaded suspects, or like a hostage situation. Going against the Cartel or a terrorist organization like a lot of these missions put on, that would be Federal Government.

[civic zinc]

the game is set in a fictional LA, environmental details paint a picture of it being even more of a shithole than the actual city
there is also the presence of "the spider," a criminal organization that is involved in wonderful things such as drugs, arms and even human trafficking and uses its influence in malicious ways
The police is also stated to be hideously undefunded (explaining why only 5 officers are dispatched at once)
Sprinkle in hints that MKUltra was successful in this universe and you have an utter dystopia where the missions feel perfectly plausible

[frail quartz]

A good few of the cartel & terrorist organization missions in game take place during emergency responses though

[rare rivet]

You have to remember SWAT works for local PDs. They are just used for situations that go out of the control of a normal patrol officer. But they are DEFINITELY not soldiers lol

[stone bay]

another minor gripe i have is why the criminal organizations are so culty

why would they be going around painting creepypasta and setting up dismembered mannequins

[frail quartz]

You clearly just don't appreciate art, smh

[civic zinc]

none of the missions take place outside Los Suenos

the port mission is also a joint strike with the in-universe ATF and FBI

[stone bay]

🤣 guess not

[chrome kiln]

beyond the whole "unrealistically high stakes" narrative debate the DLC also strives to depict more morally grey situations

[civic zinc]

the one mission that takes place at the border with mexico is a joint strike with border patrol

or whatever theyre called

[rare rivet]

Okay but that is still theme breaking because PD SWAT wouldn't deal with situations like that. THAT is where I am saying its not really "realistic" is because the theme is SWAT and they are doing stuff the DEA wouldn't even do lol

[crude prism]

maybe the human traffickers were the good guys the whole time...

[stone bay]

❓

[frail quartz]

"Hmmm, these extremists are actually a bit more based than we originally anticipated"

[civic zinc]

you can put it down to the FBI and ATF wanting additional manpower

[chrome kiln]

not every criminal is somehow tied to secret shadow crime society that routinely eats newborns for breakfast

[rare rivet]

Honestly I think some lore change would help this game... Instead of being PD SWAT, some type of Federal Special Operations unit or something.

[chrome kiln]

lots of criminals are just trying to get by, glad they can acknowledge that

[civic zinc]

true, thats why only about half the missions deal with that organization directly

[stone bay]

i agree with that, i feel like half the missions are things swat would not be deployed to

[rare rivet]

True, but the FBI and ATF have more resources than a local PD lol

[stone bay]

post office, brixley, mindjot, farm, all seem like federal operations

[chrome kiln]

that’s already enough to dilute the impact of that narrative but we’re running in circles here

[stone bay]

more missions like 4U would be great

[chrome kiln]

I really like the coastal house mission too

[civic zinc]

i suppose the concern with having more missions like 4U is that they wouldn't be as interesting to play

[crude prism]

in theory, but they're basically impossible to lose, no engagement

[chrome kiln]

No spoilers but it’s already a more compelling story in my eyes

[rare rivet]

It also kinda breaks the game imho because it feels like you are always needing to put on your best. There should be some missions where its kinda just a way to breathe and calm down. Not just all balls to the wall shooty shooty lol

[winter lake]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ReadyOrNotGame/comments/1d1rxdz/in_lieu_of_no_update_this_week_i_give_you_the/

[stone bay]

give it more unpredictable aspects, hostage situations, etc.

or different tactics provoke different responses

[kind sapphire]

Dumb question have the devs mentioned anything about bringing ready or not to consoles

[rare rivet]

Also whats the point of a "negotiator" if mans cant negotiate lol

[tawdry trench]

I never got the missions where you have to take armed suspects alive, half the time you have to shoot them and then they bleed out anyway

[frail quartz]

The SWAT is only sent in once negotiation is out the window

[rare rivet]

I am all for a 9mm solution, but theres gotta be some life preservation in this lol

[tawdry trench]

That might just be a me issue tho since I always use 12 gauge

[crude prism]

press F to shaun

[frail quartz]

They're incapacitated, not dead

[stone bay]

what would also be cool is if suspects could take the hostages at gunpoint like they sometimes do but actually walk around with them

[tawdry trench]

It says I fail it when I cuff em

[chrome kiln]

it’s an objective in the swatting mission but it doesn’t Insta fail you if you do kill the steamer

[rare rivet]

Yeah but what I am saying is that shouldn't be EVERY mission lol

[tawdry trench]

Its also an objective in the nightclub mission

[frail quartz]

That's because they're only incapacitated sometimes

[civic zinc]

Ends of The Earth is more compelling for sure
I think RoN's spider is mostly interesting because of the atmosphere and the way you learn about through environmental clues and evidence. the actual org is kinda just blankly evil when you get down it

[tawdry trench]

Yeah that about follows, considering Im usually rocking the M1014

[frail quartz]

Anyways, why are we all talking about a huge shadow organization? The only major organized crime syndicates in the game are the cheese pizza producers, the human traffickers, and the Los Locos Del Pacificos, right?

[stone bay]

thats what i dont like though. seems very TV-like and not really matching the theme

[tawdry trench]

Theres the russians too arent there?

[civic zinc]

i liked it because im a sucker for mystery stories but i see your point

[frail quartz]

Aren't those just apart of the traffickers?

[tawdry trench]

idk

[crude prism]

I agree they need more staged events that are spread out randomly/don't occur every time

the 100% randomness around AI interactions means that nothing "special" really happens/larger events like "room is designated as hostage scenario" don't happen

[native rune]

And the meth heads digging to unearth an eldritch monster underground

[frail quartz]

Is the cheese pizza producers supposed to be morally grey or something

[civic zinc]

human trafficers and cp ring are connected, not sure about the los locos but they are probably connected

[stone bay]

yeah 100%. definitely give it staged scenarios, but make a few staged scenarios possible based on your entry tactics

[civic zinc]

uh no, they are the most black and white evil group in the entire game and you shouldnt have any qualms about going in guns blazing

[prime wing]

I feel that staged scenes or events is beyond their capabilities, but it would be nice to see

[rare rivet]

There definitely needs to be more AI reactions to things.

It kinda just feels like their only reaction to anything is to laser you with bullets lol

[stone bay]

in 12 missions i have only had a suspect shoot themselves once

[rare rivet]

Wait that happens?

[civic zinc]

well they only have 1 properly scripted scene in the port where judge gets mad at the FISA agent
that scene also carries a little more weight when you learn that judge is an MKUltra victim

[native rune]

We need more doors that are/have a chance to be obstructed by objects and furniture.

[frail quartz]

I know I just kind of read it that you were saying it was a negative aspect that George was a mustache twirling villian, ny bad

[wraith basin]

Or even just having different time of day possibilities every time you start a mission.

[stone bay]

if their stress and morale gets low enough yeah but its pretty rare

[rare rivet]

Wait I didn't know the enemy AI have stress? What?

[civic zinc]

i never meant it as a bad thing, i just stated that morally ambiguous narratives are more compelling

[crude prism]

in theory, but you have to have suspects be both high stress + have no morale left

like you engaged them, but then they ran away after getting hit with a bunch of non-lethal/have seen lots of dead allies/etc/etc/etc

[frail quartz]

Yeah, they have stress and morale

[rare rivet]

I guess its hard to see cuz they aim to gun you down all the time lol

[frail quartz]

Yeah, agreed

[stone bay]

yeah. theres a very big morale and stress system based on what you do.

[rare rivet]

See that just proves my previous point more lol

[stone bay]

its just not noticable since the reaction is to shoot 99% of time

[half crescent]

Other suspects in the room watching their teammates get shot to death: plays a random MAN DOWN voiceline and continues with their business

[rare rivet]

We should be able to have ways to talk them down and what not. Not everything needs to be a gun fight

[crude prism]

there's also a hard limit on what suspects can shoot themselves, it's only a few in the whole game

(being that it doesn't make sense for most of the criminals)

[frail quartz]

It helps nail in the theme that it's not just the criminals who are ruining the city

[civic zinc]

they have a lot of background systems that go into their actions, but you wont really notice it because it only usually effects whether they hold position, flank or push forward

[stone bay]

i would love a mafia themed mission

arresting a crime boss

[frail quartz]

I always imagined a mission where you raid an illegal behind-closed-doors gamblling ring

[rare rivet]

Well I know that, but I thought it was only for SWAT AI. Not the enemy AI

[crude prism]

#announcements message

they mentioned expanding the dialogue interactions in mission

[stone bay]

yeah this would be super cool

[civic zinc]

the team ai stress doesnt affect the gameplay much i dont think, but the enemy ai stress does

[rare rivet]

Yeah but it wont mean anything if the AI keep trying to gun you down the second they see you

[frail quartz]

I'm not sure if the "big crime boss" would be there or not, but I know for certain that the highest ranking criminal there would 100% have a gold plated weapon

[crude prism]

you didn't know a stress/morale system existed two minutes ago, maybe you're just being too aggressive

[civic zinc]

im pretty sure an update to the ai is coming soon

but regardless, they are more complex and responsive than you realise

[rare rivet]

My guy if all you're gonna do is misinterpret my words and troll. Stop talking to me. Cuz now its just getting annoying

[rare rivet]

Hope so

[rare rivet]

I thought it affected their behavior on mission?

[tawdry trench]

I've noticed that the breaching shotgun scares the hell out of AIs when you come through a door with it

[civic zinc]

the main issue is that their willingness to surrender is very binary,
if theyve been stunned its certain and if they havent you'd have better odds in a casino

[rare rivet]

Cuz they have those "Therapist Assessments" and what not. Are those just words? Or do they actually play out on how they act on mission?

[tawdry trench]

I've had suspects give up when I put a round of buck over their shoulder every time

[civic zinc]

i completed ironman mode with my ai at content for the entire duration of the campaign and the therapist notes seemed completely generic

[rare rivet]

Getting stunned seems to be the only way to get them to surrender. There needs to be negotiating tactics and what not. Adds more risk and more reward if you succeed

[civic zinc]

i noticed that too, which is very cool but i think they should feel more threatened by having a rifle in their face

[crude prism]

if you try and limit your impact on a level (keep stress down), you will catch many more people by surprise/get more hesitations/surrenders/fleeing suspects instead of straight gunfights

that's all I meant

[tawdry trench]

yeah, they usually seem to give up when their friends get dismembered too from what I've seen tho

[rare rivet]

Sooo if the stress doesn't affect them... Whats the point of it then? lol

[civic zinc]

uh
idk lol

[tawdry trench]

so that you dont bring your A game every time ig

[frail quartz]

Your officers will either quit or do something much more drastic if their stress gets too low

They're working on making the stress system have more of an impact iirc

Or atleast reworking it in some other way

[rare rivet]

So still a WIP got it lol

[tawdry trench]

Im gonna be honest though a lot of the maps that I've heard are insanely hard I just roll through first try

[civic zinc]

suspect ai in the missions against paramilitary groups or the one cult is perfectly fine as it is, but for missions like postal service or voll's house they should be more willing to drop their guns when you come knocking

[tawdry trench]

yeah, or the methheads

[rare rivet]

Idk I just feel like the game is too linear and runny shooty.. And for what is supposed to be a Tactical SWAT game.. I feel like it can be a lot more than that.

[tawdry trench]

but at the same time they seem particularly inclined to give up when you lead with C2

[frail quartz]

I feel like Voll's gaurds would reasonably be more resilient than the average street thug but obviously not as resilient as the literal terrorists

[civic zinc]

methheads being hyper aggressive sometimes, but completely docile in others would make twisted nerve feel more chaotic for sure

[tawdry trench]

I still find it funny how I had the literal terrorists give up more often than the guards in the server building mission

[rare rivet]

We should also have less than lethal suspects. Not everyone carries a gun. Sometimes its a knife, a bat, or some other weapon.

[tawdry trench]

^

tbf tho I've noticed you dont get penalized for putting a burst through a guy with a knife

[frail quartz]

Some suspects DO have knives, but they're pretty uncommon now

[frail quartz]

You mean if they aren't charging at you?

[stone bay]

Some suspects on Twisted Nerve are armed with knives, as well as Daniella Voll

[frail quartz]

I've NEVER seen Daniella with a knife

[civic zinc]

i kinda miss the knife suspects

[tawdry trench]

yeah I had a guy with a knife backing up from me on the gas station map and I didnt get penalized when I cranked a round of buck through his chest

[rare rivet]

Yeah its an event, but what I am saying is there should be instances where its someone with a knife and he is coming at you and either you talk him down or he gets shot

[tawdry trench]

Daniella doesnt have a knife she literally just beats your ass

[chrome kiln]

give me 10 of the mindjot guards and I’ll end the ukraine situation in 5 business days

[civic zinc]

i dont think ive scene a suspect charge at me with a knife since the 1.0 update

[tawdry trench]

I always have suspects with knives back away from me

[frail quartz]

I feel like it would be extremely difficult to talk down someone who's already made up their mind about charging you with a knife

[stone bay]

I could’ve sworn I saw her with a knife once or twice. I run a zombies mod so everyone has knives.

[tawdry trench]

Or just tase the shit out of him

[civic zinc]

i dont think ive even seen a suspect with a knife since december come to think of it

[frail quartz]

You can shout at them to stop but there isn't much else you can do without violence

[rare rivet]

Not at all, happens a lot believe it or not

[tawdry trench]

I've seen one and I have like 300 hours on the game

[civic zinc]

i think i saw a suspect drop a knife after i arrested them

[frail quartz]

As in the officers actually say something that knocks some sense into them or they just change their mind/get too intimidated after being shouted at enough?

[rare rivet]

Also non-lethal is an option

[civic zinc]

but ever since early access ended the knife suspects have been all but a memory

[rare rivet]

But it feels like you get punished hard and get killed easy if you even attempt non-lethal in this game

[wraith basin]

Was just arresting Voll week ago and his bodyguard came with a knife and stabbed me.

[chrome kiln]

sometimes they also pull out a knife once you move in to cuff them

fun Times

[frail quartz]

I honestly can't remember the last time I've seen a suspect pull a gun/knife on me when they're surrendered and I've gotten too close, did they just remove that?

What I'm talking about is different from the normal surrender-fakeouts

[rare rivet]

The tactic is VNL - Voice, Non-Lethal, Lethal. Everything starts with commands. Then you get tased/maced or whatever, then shot if further resistence is made

Simple ROE

[frail quartz]

So is it just the officers shouting at them enough to make them stop?

[chrome kiln]

I don’t think the game gives you enough time to go through the entire use of force continuum before taking a decision

[rare rivet]

The objective of a police officer is to arrest and preserve, not kill unless absolutely necessary

[crude prism]

after 1.0 had them at basically 100% draw-from-surrendered chance, they swung hard the other direction

suspects with guns will never pull unless you leave them unattended, and the knife suspects will only pull if you approach from a small zone in the front

[frail quartz]

Yeah but we're talking about the context of a suspect with a knife already charging at you

[chrome kiln]

if they made some suspects more hesitant you could go for a taser shot or a beanbag to the stomach before they charge you or raise their gun

[frail quartz]

Yeah, I remember less lethal being a pain in the ass because you couldn't make them move or turn around

[rare rivet]

If he is already making a lethal charge at you, then yes. But if he just pops up and threatens you or makes a gesture than no

[chrome kiln]

but more often than not it’s "hands up drop your- blam blam blam"

[rare rivet]

^^

[rare rivet]

Definitely doesn't

[crude prism]

#🎨ron-screenshots-and-art message

stare at him for 45 seconds, nothing

tell him to turn around (he loses LOS, so he thinks I left) and he stands up in 15 seconds

it's pretty funne now

[chrome kiln]

I mean unless you have a dedicated buddy that hangs around the rear of the column with a beanbag shotgun ready to go you are definitely not taking prisoners

[rare rivet]

I had a woman literally walk away from me and I was following her, got my taser out and then got blasted by someone else lol. Didn't even have time to react

[frail quartz]

Yeah, SWAT is only called in if armed resistance is highly suspected aren't they?

[rare rivet]

No.

SWAT are used to handle situations that are too demanding or out of control of a normal police officer

[frail quartz]

So ones that are significantly higher risk?

[rare rivet]

Negotiations and Non-Lethal tactics are still used. ROE does exist lol

[frail quartz]

Yeah I'm not saying ROE doesn't apply to SWAT

[rare rivet]

Higher risk to a patrol cop with a vest and a pistol sure.

But at the end of the day they are still cops, not soldiers.

[frail quartz]

Yeah, I understand that

[rare rivet]

SWAT can also be used as an intimidation tactic. Some people will react more to a person in full kit than just some street cop

[frail quartz]

Yeah, I guess that's fair enough

Why do so many of my sentences start with yeah

[crude prism]

yeah...

[frail quartz]

I've already counted five

[frail quartz]

Yeah

[chrome kiln]

this barely phases the sub-80k a year security guards in charge of parking tickets validation at the mindjot data center unfortunately

[rare rivet]

Trust me, a guy in full armor and an AR/Shotgun is much more intimidating then some joe shmoe in a uni with a pistol lol

[stone bay]

duh everybody knows the alternative mall cops are the most badass special forces team ever

[rare rivet]

Not hating on cops, I worked Law Enforcement myself lol. Just being realistic 🤣

[half crescent]

meal team 6 heavily intimidates me

[frail quartz]

See, this is the part that Mindjot security has nailed down: They don't feel more dangerous because they particularly are, they've just got badass uniforms

[stone bay]

ah yes lets give the mall cops select fire weaponry

mindjot, where our priority is a positive work environment

[crude prism]

it's imperative that we have 5 server techs and 13 assault rifle wielding guards

[rare rivet]

Another thing I think we need is a better way to give commands quicker. Personally I feel the command menu is a little too slow. Nothing hurts more than an AI opening a door you are about to breach and doming you while you are navigating the com menu lol

[tawdry trench]

Honestly I loved fighting mindjot just because of how the guards ai tried to fight

[frail quartz]

I'd presume that their security was much fewer in numbers and much more lightly armed before they got into the black market business

[tawdry trench]

Theres a mod that turns the command menu into a voice menu

[rare rivet]

I need this, DM it to me lmao

[tawdry trench]

I dont remember what it was but I remember seeing controlled pairs using it

[rare rivet]

I might need to look it up then lol

[frail quartz]

Do the mindjot security still say "Fuck you, I've been living on the streets!" when you arrest them?

[chrome kiln]

even if they hired the most shady motherfuckers out there you’d have to pay me neurosurgery/investment banking money to even consider pointing a gun at a group of cops

matter of fact I’m clocking out the second I see the vans pulling up in the parking lot

what are they gonna do sue me

[rare rivet]

WHAT they got VoiceAttack to work for RoN?! Bruhhh

Oh I think its outdated tho.. Damn

[frail quartz]

I doubt they'd have the funds to sue you even if they wanted to

[tawdry trench]

it might be

[frail quartz]

But yeah, I think it's the same scenario as the Bolton Security where they know exactly what they're guarding and they know exactly what will happen to them if they're caught

[rare rivet]

VA is pretty good, so I am sure they are working on an update soon. I use VA for Elite Dangerous and they have always been great

[chrome kiln]

"we are getting deported to guntanamo for our several acts of terrorism however we will be suing you in front of the civil court of California for breach of contract"

[rare rivet]

WAIT I found the mod that integrates it. Its been updated! ooooo

Def gonna have to try this

[tawdry trench]

ngl the hospital missions description was always a little confusing to me since I've made a habit of dead checking suspects

[stone bay]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[upbeat turret]

Anyone have similar specs as me?

1660 ti 16 gb ram i7-10750h, and if so what settings do you run? I’ve been having pretty mid frames recently and it seems like ultra gets the same amount of frames as low

[potent orchid]

one thing that helped massively for me was to disable by-object shadows or whatever its called

i run everything epic and vfx and shadow high

[digital lotus]

hello, new to the group. Been playing RON for months now, been playing solo, looking to play with other members. Like the idea of communicating and just having fun.

[tawdry lagoon]

textures and anti aliasing on epic everything else on lowest possible, game looks pretty much the same even when I turn on the rest of the settings on the highest possible so I figured I'd turn them off for extra fps, 1660 super 24 gigs of ram ryzen 5 something Idk

[copper cypress]

Does using a suppressor make it harder for a suspect to know exactly where the player and SWAT Ai are?

I found that the suspect always knew my location when I wasn't using the suppressor, but only had a rough guess when I was using it. Not sure if it's my imagination.

[shy tulip]

I think at most it does some stuff with suspect morale, but I don't remember the exacts

[copper cypress]

All right QQ

[tacit gull]

Apparently the only thing it does is lower stress gain from using guns on suspects, if MMMM's spreadsheet is correct

[copper cypress]

Oh~

Non-lethal weapons cause the same stress as suppressor weapons?

[long parrot]

I finally s ranked neon tomb

[stone bay]

[stone bay]

Every single time you see a suspect you know they will immediately shoot at you, but it would be more tense if they were more unpredictable

[long parrot]

S ranked twisted nerve took 3 tries

I’m 9/18 on medal of valor, halfway there

[delicate parcel]

trying s rank on relapse

pain

[amber dock]

Truth

[long parrot]

I dread doing that

I did the postal mission and failed because one of my guys died last room and I’ll try again tomorrow

[delicate parcel]

that one was also a nightmare. i don't really even remember how i got past that big section with all the weird geometry

[long parrot]

Yeah it really is a nightmare lol

Also taser is invaluable for S ranks whenever someone just refuses to surrender lol

[delicate parcel]

honestly, i haven't really run into that yet. all the suspects i've dealt with have given up after one or two bean bag shots

[long parrot]

Yesss I just S ranked the postal mission first try back

[pure carbon]

Hi all, new here! Just installed RoN and already loving the game! Since we have a classic MP5 in the game as well as old school gear and apparel, are there plans to add the classic M4A1 with carry handle ironsight?

[fossil sand]

Mods my friend very simple to install them aswell

[copper cypress]

Will you guys deliberately increase the pressure on suspects to lure them out?

Sometimes they come out of the room on their own initiative, saving us the trouble of looking for them😂

[pure carbon]

There’s mods? Awesome, thanks!

[jolly verge]

Nope, same as non-suppressed. The only non-lethal that is completely silent is taser, suspect won't hear it even if you shoot at point blank behind him

[pure carbon]

Is there any mod that lets me larp as spetsnaz and do everything without any consequences? lmao

[inland jetty]

ready or not steam cloud save error

tried restarting steam, stopping cloud save and then deleting local save then starting a new game

we're so refunding with this one 🗣️ ‼️

wow it finally works

dumb ass isp having maintenance for the 5th time today

[misty island]

Do it, while you still can.

[inland jetty]

no im having fun

[copper cypress]

All right QQ

It turns out the pepper ball launcher is just as loud 😦

[upbeat zenith]

I just got slapped to death by a dude I was trying to restrain 🤦‍♂️

[lost inlet]

lmao

[upbeat zenith]

didn't even know they could slap you

and kill you from that 🤣

[lost inlet]

they literally can push you to death, not surprise they can slap you to death

[upbeat zenith]

maybe he pushed me, but from my perspective it looked like persistent slapping which i could do nothing about

which, if I was really a SWAT officer, would be hilarious

Also my teammates were absolutely useless

didn't even shoot the guy slapping me (although tbf they were the ai teammates so....)

[stone bay]

Shotguns make an extremely satisfying “thump”

[lost inlet]

ah yes the thumper, a shotgun

[upbeat heath]

which one

[stone bay]

My AI use the M4

[upbeat heath]

super 90?

[stone bay]

M1014

[upbeat heath]

aight

wait hold on

wasnt this gun ''m4 super 90'' before

[stone bay]

Idk, I didn’t play before 1.0

[lost inlet]

it was

[cobalt flame]

Hey how do I progress in missions/story? Do I need to play on commander to unlock more missions?

[lost inlet]

yep

[urban walrus]

Just complete the previous mission to unlock the next one. You don't need to play Commander since practice mode is the same but without the extra mechanics.

[gaunt mason]

can someone help me to download astral ai and gunfighter mode

[hexed leaf]

what are you having trouble with?

[regal arrow]

Hey guys one question is the AI still aiming and shooting at inhumane speeds

[gleaming bison]

Doesn't seem so, I won't be the one to 100% verify that statement though.

[regal arrow]

In the SP campaign I’m still stuck in the postal service warehouse

[gleaming bison]

What do you mean by SP?

[regal arrow]

Singleplayer

[stone bay]

Does anyone have recommendations for a 416 reskin mod?

[near steppe]

I did

the ai is not aiming and shooting at inhuman speeds

[regal arrow]

[near steppe]

although sometimes the ai has really weird moments where it sticks to the same spot and just goes back and forth aiming at the same spot

[warm sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-pfp-gif-24100488

[fervent gale]

Are there no Shirts with LSPD Patches in the Game anymore?

[still sorrel]

Is the game still getting updates?

[stark hollow]

yes

[regal arrow]

Guys why are my officer bots in single player going “I see a skibidi Gyatt, neutralizing!” Whenever they see an enemy?

[regal arrow]

[half crescent]

What the sigma is blud yapping about on god fr fr

Better a not be capping me boy

[wraith basin]

[sinful lake]

Why do the LPVOs not work correctly?

[crude prism]

for some reason Void never made a decision and either

1. removed them from the game
2. made them work

[prime wing]

tbh

ron lpvo is awful

[spark hornet]

Do yall have a favorite role in the team? (Is there even anything besides being a pointman or breacher?)
Favorite method of breaching?

[river tide]

favorite method of breaching only works on metal doors and ai always does it but get in the side of the door, shoot it with a breaching shotgun, switch to your primary then kick it fully open, so badass

[stone bay]

the wizard nexGTSI made a mod that creates actual LPVO

[sinful lake]

The fact it's nonadjustable is at least partly why that is. Being able to make em 1x for cqb while also having 4x for range would be great

[stone bay]

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/4076

[sinful lake]

The fact a mod can fix it is somewhat annoying

[spark hornet]

I usually do breach, kick, then switch, but i agree

breaching shotgun is badass

[stone bay]

ngl i feel at this point the modding community is doing more than void

[river tide]

i do switch first just like ai because especially if you’re solo, you’re gonna be screwed if somebody is aiming at you right on the side of the door

[near steppe]

be me
play lethal obsession
die to first trap in the game
its so over for me

[stone bay]

1. place c2.
2. walk away.
3. detonate c2.

[sinful lake]

Exactly. It shows it's a development issue, not a system issue

[hasty delta]

so, is it worth it bringing the beanbag gun?

[raven schooner]

if you want an s rank, yes

if not, no

[hasty delta]

I see I see

[stone bay]

Non lethal is only worth it if you're going for a good score.

[hasty delta]

Alrighty

Finding a good team comp for ai is hard

[low lichen]

nightclub suspects have armor right?

Can't tell if it's plate carriers or chest rigs

[soft narwhal]

They do iirc

[prime wing]

yes

[river tide]

you don’t even have to walk away it doesn’t damage you at all it’s just a misconception which everyone seems to believe

[stone bay]

you do if you are blowing up traps

[river tide]

well if you didn’t place the c4 then yeah

[stone bay]

if you detonate c2 on a trap the trap will still blow you up

which is why you gotta walk away

[river tide]

that’s true

i’m talking about on a normal door with no trap

[halcyon gyro]

Be me
Thinks about reinstalling the game to play it again
Remembers shitty AI
Plays Six Days In Fallujah with friends instead
Me happy.

[stone bay]

does anyone else absolutely hate the F90 or is it just me

seems so out of place and of all the bullpups why that one

[stone bay]

It is weird.

why not an aug or a mdr

I mean it kinda is an AUG.

Just a weird variant.

yeah its the australian aug clone

kinda like how the sa-58 is the american FAL clone

i just dont get why it would be an F90 seems like a pain in the ass for an american police force to even obtain those

although i would take it over yet another AR platform

[ripe solar]

Guys, what would you say the best gun for Sullivan's Slope is?

[jolly verge]

any on .300 JHP or slr47 with 7.62x39 JHP is good on this map, 2 torso shots or 3 on limbs to incap

[umbral oar]

beanbag 👍

[ripe solar]

Thanks

[ripe solar]

That would go down great😂

[trail dagger]

Wassup

[fervent gale]

It does actually lol

cause with that you only need one torso shot to incap

[ripe solar]

Oh, fair enough.

[fervent gale]

Alternatively you could use a 12 guage face remover

[ripe solar]

Yeah

[trail dagger]

Does it shoot beans?

[ripe solar]

yep

[trail dagger]

I'mma run it on Twisted Nerve sometime soon, these lads need beans not brownies

[ripe solar]

Oh for sure, they could use a break from all that Meth

[trail dagger]

Yeah, better get a taste of these baked beans lol

[ripe solar]

Good luck with that.

[trail dagger]

Might let them off the hook if they give me some lmfao

[ripe solar]

That could work😂

[trail dagger]

If they don't I'm still taking it as "evidence"

[ripe solar]

Make sure to turn your bodycam off😂

[hasty plaza]

what are the plans for ready or not in the future?

[stone bay]

is hide and seek still the last mission?

[ripe solar]

I believe they're making a DLC for the game, which will probably contain new maps, excetera

[hasty plaza]

so no new gameplay mechanics

[ripe solar]

I mean with time, they might improve upon the SWAT ai

[humble mauve]

All additions to the base game (mechanics, bug fixes, improvements, etc) are all still coming free

the DLC only contains maps and outfits

[hasty plaza]

because i'm scared about all the thing i see in the trailer

and nothing of that are in game and when i see the 1.0 and the dev say the game is ready

[stone bay]

is it bad if i have multiple mods that are called pakchunk99 at the start of their name?

[humble mauve]

no, that's just the load order

[stone bay]

oh okay thanks

[humble mauve]

the higher the number the later it gets loaded by the game

so most mods will be 99+ so they are loaded last

I think there can be some conflict with some mods but they would say so in the description

[stone bay]

oh alright

[hasty delta]

Do singleplayer missions cross over to multiplayer?

[tacit gull]

I think all missions are unlocked in multiplayer

[hasty delta]

Ah okay

Am I stupid or is there no sprint button?

[frail quartz]

Lowering your weapon with spacebar makes you go slightly faster than normal, but other than that there's no way to actually sprint

As long as you don't try to Leeroy Jenkins maps and are smart with your character placement you should be fine without it

Would make backtracking a lot easier though

[trail dagger]

Nah, no need, you get it from the evidence lockers!

[trail dagger]

Say, you think the DLC will have a paywall?

[ripe solar]

Depends on what it is. If its new maps and new guns, ect, Then it will most likely be behind a paywall

[hasty delta]

Shoot, I so that lol I try to move very fast

Hence why I get killed so much

[shy tulip]

The DLC will only be free for SE owners, yes, it will probably cost monies

[trail dagger]

I see, thank you for answering

[umbral oar]

void please make it $12.88 (the exact amount i have in my wallet right now)

[weary cosmos]

void please make it 12.89 (so he cant buy it)

[trail dagger]

Void please add a lot of maps with different scenarios for this one

I give zero fs about the guns please just make the maps really good

[urban walrus]

It's already confirmed to have 3 maps #announcements message

[trail dagger]

That works for me let's go

[idle garnet]

is there an expected time for it to release?

[rotund cedar]

is there in game vc?

[umbral oar]

oh you little

[half crescent]

why I oughta

[delicate parcel]

make it 12.875 so he has to cut a penny in half

[fading quiver]

how do i locate these last fucking civilians

that was a question

[hasty delta]

Wish I could have a 50 cal to deal with some missions

[pure carbon]

Will there be more guns added to the game?

[urban walrus]

From now to June 20th (subject to change)

[urban walrus]

2 more guns will be added to the game with the release of DLC 1

[pure carbon]

Sweet, what guns are these?

[near steppe]

Any tips for the ideas of march mission?

I keep getting headshotted

[jolly verge]

wear helmet and get heavy full coverage ceramic vest

[near steppe]

Sometimes I kinda wished I had more intel but I'm kinda dumb and like doing things fast

I never bothered to customize my squad as well since that is too much management for my small brain

so far I'm liking the game but I still don't like how hard it is to differentiate between teams on my squad

There is no marking colour or nothing, no way for me to tell

[jolly verge]

you can enable nicknames above their heads, or just give them bright clothing in customization

[near steppe]

I feel like bright colours would take away from the game though

I could enable nicknames but ehhh, idk I feel it would ruin immerision

but at the same time I like having convinience, hmmm

holy shit this mission is so hard

[delicate parcel]

which one you on?

[near steppe]

also I really do not like the whole unauthorised use of force mechanic, the guy obviously has a gun and intends to hurt people, why not take a pre emptive measure and disable him first? it's stupid, why take the risk of waiting to die

[near steppe]

ideas of march, hardest mission I have played

[delicate parcel]

ooo, yeah, that one's tricky for sure

[near steppe]

extremely easy to die and lose teammates

I don't see it as fun tbh

you would think being a swat team member I would be provided with a map of the premises instead of just, going in and finding out?

Is, is it not normal to provide maps to people in emergencies?

[delicate parcel]

i think you actually are provided a map

[near steppe]

despite the amount of praise for the games immersion I really feel like thats a massive part thats missing

[stone bay]

Is there not a map for that level?

I swear I think I remember seeing one in the phone

[near steppe]

let me check, I've just been alt f4ing to avoid mistakes tbh, I want to have fun

[delicate parcel]

if i remember right, the default binding is to hold down tab. then you can click over to your map

[near steppe]

based off how the ai behaves in this game, yeah this game was definitely made for multiplayer, I can tell because the singleplayer is just solo multiplayer

[delicate parcel]

i'd also almost recommend you just not pay too much mind to the score unless you're going for S rank runs and running less lethal

[near steppe]

this was clearly meant as a hardcore multiplayer experience

[near steppe]

I'm just dissapointed in the game as someone who never played tactical shooters before, definitely won't recommend it to new people tbh

like, your squad mates carry on from the previous mission but nothing ever happens, there isn't consequence's

you simply get to rearm, and go back in

[delicate parcel]

are you running the commander mode or the practice mode?

[near steppe]

commander mode

the game had it as the default

[delicate parcel]

i'd definitely recommend practice mode while you're still getting the hang of it

[near steppe]

that doesn't disprove my point

There is not much impact or motivation for me, simply go in, arrest suspects and win

plus oh my fucking god you can't even interact with the other cops at the station

[delicate parcel]

well, that's ultimately your call as to whether you enjoy the game or not. i'm just sharing some things that helped me out when i was struggling for completions

[near steppe]

also how the hell does the arrest suspects work?

I feel like I'm playing an unfinished product

[hexed leaf]

you use zip ties to restrain their hands, pretty straightforward

[delicate parcel]

you get behind them or tell them to turn around and then handcuff them

[near steppe]

yeah but I disable enemies by shooting their legs, but the game says they're dead???

[delicate parcel]

if you don't want to kill them, don't shoot them with guns

[near steppe]

no shit, I went for the legs so I don't kill them

[hexed leaf]

also shooting a person in the leg will 100% lead to death

[delicate parcel]

all kinds of important arteries in the legs

[near steppe]

bruh, where am I supposed ot shoot then

[near steppe]

this would have been extremely important to know if the tutorial taught me this

[delicate parcel]

use a pepperball gun, a taser, or a beanbag shotgun to convince them to stop shooting at you

or any of the grenades

[near steppe]

christ, I'm already past the point where I can refund so I have no choice but to stick with the game

[near steppe]

again missing the point

It's pretty clear this game is not meant to be played in singleplayer, just based on how much is lackluster

this genuinely seems like something tarkov players would enjoy instead of someone new to tactical shooters

[delicate parcel]

you just kind of have to learn how to best use the AI. i will agree with you though, they make some stupid ass decisions

[near steppe]

the tutorial should have been designed better

[delicate parcel]

maybe so. it'd be cool to have a section that covers specific less lethal options

[hexed leaf]

A manual would probably be useful for new players

details about mechanics, equipment, tactics, etc

[near steppe]

another thing I was dissapointed in was the lack of interactivity with the world

why is my team the only swat team on site? why isn't there a police cordon surrounded the premises to oh I don't know, make sure the suspects can't leave?

why aren't there snipers to deal with threats that require them?

I don't know much about how police do things but man, this really seems off

[hexed leaf]

because then the game wouldn't be fun

[near steppe]

once again, coming back to my realism problem, people want this thing to be realistic but if it was truly realistic it wouldn't be fun

[delicate parcel]

there is always a balance to be struck between realism and fun for sure

[near steppe]

I'm fine if the police and snipers do nothing just, have them there

one of the games tags is realistic so these are the kind of details I expect

[delicate parcel]

🤷

i think it'd be funny if you could turn on the MRI in relapse and have it suck the guns away from dudes

[fair cave]

Favorite smg?

[trail dagger]

?

[delicate parcel]

i haven't used an SMG in forever

[trail dagger]

Same, I main rifles

[near steppe]

I think I'm gonna go play another game for a while, sorry about my rant but there is genuinely a lot missing from ready or not that I feel should be included

[delicate parcel]

fair enough. hope you enjoy the game more if you try it again

[fair cave]

Favorite rifle? Personally I use the lvar

[delicate parcel]

oh wow, i forgot about the pepperball smg

i've been using the sa-58 osw

[trail dagger]

It could be hella fun + realistic but the AI gotta step up their game if we want to increase the swat teams on site

[trail dagger]

G36C cuz why not, it's what I run the most

Just feels right for me

[near steppe]

basically the game is not realistic, it's trying to evoke it but in reality its a very realistic arcade shooter

[delicate parcel]

i will admit, sometimes i do question a five-man team being sent in to deal with 15+ suspects

[near steppe]

besides that I lost immersion and the sense of realism when my guy tanked 7 large caliber bullets and came out just fine

[trail dagger]

Yeah, typically there's like twice the number of swat operators compared to suspects

[delicate parcel]

i like being able to confidently shoot through whatever the guy shooting at me is hiding behind

[fair cave]

Does anybody use shotguns?

[near steppe]

It's a fun game don't get me wrong, but it is not realistic

[trail dagger]

Especially for the missions like the first 4U mission, y'all gonna need like 20 dudes to cover external

[delicate parcel]

i like a good shotgun run every now and again

[trail dagger]

Then probs 10-15 more to flush out internal

[fair cave]

it’s very satisfying

[near steppe]

the game is completely free of consequences that drive the player

[delicate parcel]

maining the bean bag for my S rank runs but that's mostly because the dudes tend to run away when i pepperball them. like, what do i do, pepperball them more?

[trail dagger]

True

[fair cave]

Sorry if I’m not understanding you right but I feel like the game has a good bit of consequence

[trail dagger]

I'd do it for the tattoos lol

[near steppe]

If you are referring to the squadmates, no that doesn't count

[delicate parcel]

the tattoos are nice, but ever since i unlocked the '99 gear i've been running it and can't see them anyway lol

[near steppe]

I don't feel the consequence, I can simply replace them and try again

[trail dagger]

I think they count

[cosmic terrace]

Hey guys, is the ai response time fixed?

[delicate parcel]

and having to restart a whole ass mission because i let my guard down is consequence enough for me. i have shit to do. i can't be playing that long

[near steppe]

they are easily replacable and expendable

[cosmic terrace]

being a realistic game i believe that youre meant to be doing stuff that real people do ig

[near steppe]

It's just a game after all

[trail dagger]

Still got some buffer time but might be a me problem, otherwise the ai works

[near steppe]

that's all ready or not is, a game, I feel no connection to it so I have no need to feel consequences

[cosmic terrace]

yeah i heard was was close to instant-unrealistically fast response time, but ill see

anyways on mac playing the game

[near steppe]

hell there aren't even leaders of these groups that you can arrest/kill

[trail dagger]

Depends on the in-game lore but a potential solution is to have the new recruits be worse by the generation or sum

[near steppe]

no fortified locations, nothing

[cosmic terrace]

theres no difficulty levels? it just gets harder as you complete missions?

[near steppe]

again, missing the point, they feel expendable

[delicate parcel]

my main issue is when they see you through a gap in the shelves from a half mile away and instantly dome Swan, but there are ways around that

[trail dagger]

Like your first recruits are good cuz y'all been in the force for like 10+ years and if they die you gotta replace em with rookies

[near steppe]

another thing is the years of experience do not matter at all

[near steppe]

enemy suspects are rainbow six operatives, that is my problem

[trail dagger]

And after a certain amount of squad deaths your unit is basically just shut down, people would refuse offers from the unit and y'all have to work with what you got left

[fair cave]

Well I mean, if you don’t care about the lore of the characters you aren’t going to fill attached to them

[trail dagger]

Yeah

[near steppe]

I didn't know there was lore

[trail dagger]

Could also add on civvy ai to that

[fair cave]

I mean I get what you’re saying if there was a more focused story then it would be easier to be attached to them but that’s not what the gameplay really wants to do

[near steppe]

still don't like it, I don't have emotional connection to games

[trail dagger]

The more deaths your squad takes, the more likely the civvys would be mean to you

[near steppe]

the gameplay is trying to evoke something it's clearly not

[near steppe]

that I would like

[trail dagger]

Probably ruining your S+ runs

[delicate parcel]

i think it'd be funny if after losing an insane amount of teammates the game just started messing with you and sending you ridiculous ones. like, eventually they get so sick of your shit they pull some dude from the holding cells, give him a rifle, and put him on your team

[near steppe]

I don't like consequences to be evoked, I want them to genuinely happen

[near steppe]

We should be taken to court or smth

[delicate parcel]

running rust belt with the streamer and the tatted up dude from the car shop

[trail dagger]

Same here, basically a reputation system that hinges around what you and your squad does in game, lots of deaths? Enemy AI would get confident and probs patrol looking for you (They're still siege operatives)

[near steppe]

oh yeah the hostage placement makes no sense as well, they are placed anywhere even when there are no suspects in the room to watch them

[trail dagger]

Almost zero deaths? Enemy AI are more likely to surrender if you point your gun at em. Almost zero civvy deaths? Civvies wouldn't really want to run cuz of your rep

[fair cave]

If I’m remembering this correctly don’t you’re ai teammates less reactive to your orders if you lose a lot or don’t follow roe

[delicate parcel]

i like that idea

[trail dagger]

Yeah, could probably program them to spawn in the same place as suspects even with the random placement

Basically just make it so that they spawn either in the same room or in the next room over, would definitely make it stressful if you're running for S

[near steppe]

I truly lost it with the veteran mission

[delicate parcel]

every once in a while if i'm doing an S rank run and a teammate dies i'll just get fed up with it and bean bag a secured suspect in the back of the head so that my team will try to kill me with pepperballs

[near steppe]

No fortified rooms at all

[trail dagger]

Ides of March?

[near steppe]

aren't these guys supposed to be military vets? why is their ai incompetent?

[trail dagger]

Yeah, they did the barricading only to like the center area

[near steppe]

I never noticed that at all

[trail dagger]

I was expecting it to be like that from lethal obsession

Had a headache cuz of how messy the map was not to mention almost every other door has a trap

[near steppe]

oh yeah the game looks just, ew, I don't know what happened but I turned down the anti aliasing to 4x and the game looks bad

I turned down anti aliasing because of performance issues but holy shit I feel like I'm on LSD

[delicate parcel]

i am glad i already have the S rank on lethal obsession. that one is probably my least favorite map

[fair cave]

@near steppe I’m a little curious what other tactical shooters do you play?

[trail dagger]

Not really talking about the graphics themselves' just the placement of the rooms and what's in em

[near steppe]

I never played a tactical game before

[trail dagger]

It makes no sense, you're hunting a USIA agent and they can't keep the files together? Though the other maps look neat

[near steppe]

I was not referring to what you said

[near steppe]

there was no mention of a cult or anything

some maps seem genuinely lackluster

lethal obsession especially, just go in, arrest like 3-4 guys, win

[fair cave]

No offense but it might just not be your genre

[trail dagger]

Nope, they mentioned that you're hunting an analyst from USIA, what I was expecting is something like a really used desk, open computers and lots of barricading

[near steppe]

That just invalidates what I'm saying

[trail dagger]

Not to mention one of em was in a ghillie suit lol

[near steppe]

Where the fuck did he even get it lol

It would have been pretty cool to deal with the ghillie suit guy while we were outside but like, he's indoors........

[trail dagger]

No clue where he got it, all I know is 9/10 times he was in the building looking like an idiot

[near steppe]

sometimes enemies are placed at areas that genuinely make no sense

you know police are coming, so why aren't you watching the doors?

[trail dagger]

Like the bathroom with a gun?

[fair cave]

I wasn’t trying to do that you brought up some pretty good points It just might not be your genre though

[near steppe]

or better yet just, look out the window

[trail dagger]

Makes a bit of sense but he's looking away when I mirrored the door

[near steppe]

hell there is this really good spot where a guy is taking a peek through the wall to kill anyone coming inside

[near steppe]

game didn't really say where his friends came from either

actually that comes to my next problem, why is every suspect ready to pledge their soul to god?

[trail dagger]

True, can't be hired security, they wouldn't want to be involved with the cops if they're part of a gang

[trail dagger]

Only times where it made sense was in twisted nerve and ides of march from what I've played

TW they had to defend the meth + they're meth heads

Ides of March, they tried to kill a senator, probs to just get a message out so the more noise the better

[near steppe]

clearly heavily armed and know combat so we definitely need more than one swat team

swat teams are not military units they are simply heavily armed police

[trail dagger]

4U gas station it would be fine if we caught em as they're leaving

[delicate parcel]

relapse and neon tomb also make sense to me on that front. i get the feeling they're more than willing to go out with the bombs anyway

[stone bay]

thats not entirely true

[trail dagger]

Like you robbed a store to get some meth, you got the cash so book it and get some

[stone bay]

larger police forces have dedicated swat teams which do nothing but train and respond when needed

not to mention the majority of swat tactics originated from spec ops

[near steppe]

again

[trail dagger]

Problem is the numbers

[near steppe]

this is coming from someone who

1. doesn't know tactical shooter and never played them before
2. doesn't know much about police

[stone bay]

oh fair enough

[near steppe]

typically in a siege you want to outnumber the defenders

[trail dagger]

Oftentimes the main tactic for swat is to just flush out the hostiles as fast as possible, either with gas or by dynamic entry, especially for hostage situations like the 4U station

[trail dagger]

5x was it? Especially if they know the layout of the terrain

[near steppe]

It would kinda make sense if we were underfunded but idk

[trail dagger]

Similar to raids, containment team outside, flush the meth heads out of the house using gas and take em as they go

[stone bay]

i think the explanation is just being underfunded but still lol

you would think they would prioritize more officers over the latest-and-greatest equipment

[trail dagger]

It'd be nice to see 9 man elements someday

[stone bay]

co-op mode but each player gets a team of ai

[trail dagger]

1 squad leader, 2 fire teams of 4

[delicate parcel]

100 swat members go in but they all only have discarded lead pipes

[stone bay]

that would be dope

[stone bay]

and crowbars

[near steppe]

all you would hear over the radio is metal pipe sound effect

[trail dagger]

And radio comms, would be hella dope if you could ask AI for sitreps

[delicate parcel]

i'd play the hell out of it tbh

[trail dagger]

Adds realism to it cuz rn you know the status of the AI bcz they're listed on the bottom right

[stone bay]

its a shame theres so much cool stuff they could do for this game

[near steppe]

oh yeah we don't have the option to extract injured units

[stone bay]

just release the SDK and let the modders do the work lol

[near steppe]

also we can't heal them for some reason?

[trail dagger]

Yeah, comms between teams and active comms with TOC

[fair cave]

What’s your favorite shotgun?

[near steppe]

why can't we just sayyy release a squad member to go see a medic and there is a cooldown until he comes back

[stone bay]

benelli m4 cause its iconic

[trail dagger]

Cuz you only really talk to base when you accidentally tapped someone

[near steppe]

also why can't we extract civlians? especially in active shooter situations where they will kill civs

[trail dagger]

Imagine TOC actually guiding you like calling out enemies that can be seen from the outside

[delicate parcel]

you can tell them to book it to the exit

[near steppe]

exactly

[trail dagger]

Saves a lot of trouble and could be realistic

[stone bay]

hes saying you can do that

tell them to get down and command to run to exit

[delicate parcel]

yeah, like extracting them is a feature

[stone bay]

thank god it comes in so handy at times

[delicate parcel]

you just have to get to them before your AI does

[trail dagger]

Would be nice to see the different traits for officers to take active effects

[near steppe]

oh yeah another problem, the ai (allies) doesn't know the concept OF TAKING COVER

[trail dagger]

Like you're breacher/kicker prefer to be first man or 2nd man in a stack, paramedics could actively drag someone getting shot to cover and your SBAGS say some neat lines every now and then

[stone bay]

yeah thats actually annoying as fuck. if the suspect AI can do it SWAT AI should be able to as well

[near steppe]

I mean jesus fucking christ

at least in some shit like cod THE AI ACTUALLY TAKES COVER

[trail dagger]

We demand equal rights to cover for all AI lol

[delicate parcel]

better yet, opting to reload instead of pulling out an empty pistol and trying to click the guy to death

[stone bay]

as much as i love the gunplay so many other things just feel unfinished

like its still in beta not really a 1.0 release

[trail dagger]

Also riot control preferring to be 3rd man since oftentimes it's the third man to do the tossing

[delicate parcel]

yeah. it feels close, but not quite there

[stone bay]

sound design, map design/art, gunplay (with a few mods) are all on point. its really just the AI thats the issue

[near steppe]

I'm disappointed because this is a full release game charging $74 AUD when not on sale

At it's current state the game is not worth that amount

[stone bay]

i sadly agree

i think 30 would be a fair price

[trail dagger]

Yeah, had an Australian buddy of mine say $44 AUD on a 40% sale

[stone bay]

but yeah as far as sound design and the map art, they knocked it out of the park

[near steppe]

same

hopefully my refund gets through

[trail dagger]

Depends, if the devs are clocking in overtime for solid features and rework, having it only be $30 would be a loss for em

A lot of the people I personally know hate it when price spikes even though the quality went up

Like they start comparing prices to prices instead of prices to quality

[stone bay]

thats a good point yeah. it still just feels a little unfinished for 50$.