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[crimson kettle]

they would flinch at that distance from my experience

only times ive seen them stand unphased is when i try to shoot them from the pool to the dj area in the valley

[crude prism]

If they're at full strafe speed, you should probably aim at the shoulder in the direction they're walking. But no, you don't really need to account for drop at that range. Drop would only matter for a map like Port for the most part

[ashen talon]

then it was hitreg, not me being garbage

or cracked AI

[crimson kettle]

yea no i think it may be cracked AI

cuz with the tuned down AI mod they flinch consistently when i shoot them at that range

[ashen talon]

does leaning affect aiming?

[crimson kettle]

nope

[ashen talon]

i read that wrong

💥 🌽

[mighty elbow]

is that a shockwave pfp?

[ashen talon]

yeah

[mighty elbow]

what generation?

[ashen talon]

idk, i assume first

i only have it because it's cursed and it has 2 eyes

[valid leaf]

Wait what is the police called in ron? I swear I heard a guy on one of the clips say LSPD

Mb didn't mean to reply to that

[ashen talon]

yeah it's the LSPD

Los Suenos PD

[valid leaf]

LOL SICKKK

[ashen talon]

i didn't even know Shockwave was a cold and calculated dude who follows only rational thinking

when I was a kid and still actively watched cartoons on TV the Transformers that aired was Transformers Energon and Cybertron

[mighty elbow]

and in some versions of transformers he is as evil as satan

[ashen talon]

so the only version of Shockwave that I knew was actually Shockblast

[plain blaze]

can you use mods without being penalized

[umbral glen]

You can. Some mods also let you kill suspects without following or breaking ROE of course but killing civilians still remain a penalty as far as I know.

[ashen talon]

i take it that the best ammo type for rifle is 300 Blackout?

[mighty elbow]

i LOVE the FAL

[ashen talon]

i always thought that 5.56 was garbage because i usually only run the 416 and i didn't know it had bad recoil

[crude prism]

Debatable, 7.62x51 is pretty op depending on the map, 5.56 is solid with the lowest recoil rifles, and .300blk/7.62x39 fill the roles of med-dmg and med-controllability

[tough spire]

7.62x51 for life.

[static relic]

shotgun for life (for me)

[ashen talon]

why do you consider the MP5/10MM to be unreliable?

[static relic]

the recoil is wacky (for me/my opinion)

[ashen talon]

it shoots straight up

admitedly i have vertical grip

[static relic]

i wonder if attachments make a significant change

[frail quartz]

Isn't the ARN still among the lowest recoil rifles or did they nerf it in 1.0?

or atleast lower recoil than all the other AR platform weapons

[crude prism]

Lowest vertical screen rise yeah, but it still has the weird bounce when shooting. Like your guy isn't holding it with both hands

Not nearly as bad as like the 416 or BCM

[static relic]

budget cuts do be taking their number on the police force

[tough spire]

Shotgun is love, I can't fault you for that

[crude prism]

Most of the SMGs are pretty unreliable once you get hit in either arm. The MP510mm is just a bit more painful in my mind

[static relic]

which shotgun do you like lol

[tough spire]

The B103 or whatever is objectively the best. But I enjoy the Super Nova on principle.

[static relic]

yeah, auto shotguns rock but i like the super nova as a pump action :/

[tough spire]

There's no benefit whatsoever to pump, just the rule of cool

[static relic]

imagine dragon's breath as a round added to the game 🐟

[ashen talon]

i'd probably be Supernova or 870 only

[crude prism]

M1014 wins for having the coolest reload animation

[static relic]

m1014 looks nicer

[tough spire]

The upside down reload is very silly

[frail quartz]

It's unrealistic!!1!!11!! 😡 😡 😤 :rage

[static relic]

you're right, our officer should load 2 shells at a time

[tough spire]

It has more recoil and less ammo though so. Who knows. Lol

[crude prism]

I am a biased M1014 enjoyer

[ashen talon]

yeah but the M1014 can't have dragon's breath

[static relic]

maybe they can buff pump actions to make them desirable lol

[tough spire]

I also enjoy the M1014. It's a classic.

[frail quartz]

Yes it can, you just have to manually chamber rounds like a bolt action! 😤

[ashen talon]

at that point why not go for a pump action

[frail quartz]

That's kind of the point, they're objectively inferior

[tough spire]

It's the ol' bolt action argument a lot of games struggle with. Bolt action rifles don't have a ton of practical benefit that translates to games well so they almost always get damage increases to make up for it

[frail quartz]

Yeah, this game doesn't really do that

[tough spire]

But IRL bolt rifles are your friend for a ton of reasons that have to do with maintenance and reliability

Since we are always assuming a fully functional weapon in our video game (with some exceptions) we may as well just never use the safe reliable weapon, just the one with the best "ideal circumstances" stats

[deep wadi]

Interactive game when the suspect stops reacting to everything and hides in the most elaborate corner to one tap you cuz they saw you 20 minutes ago

[tough spire]

If there was a higher chance for a gun to jam that was modelled in game more folks would use the pumps I bet. But nobody wants that mechanic

[frail quartz]

I mean, like you said the game is still in the ideal circumstances

Our weapons are well maintained and we aren't trudging through mud or anything

[tough spire]

Exactly

[crude prism]

Somehow we acquired lead plates labeled "steel" though

[frail quartz]

What makes you say that?

[crude prism]

Our operators become incompetent with a few extra pounds added

[tough spire]

Well even without mud, like, the first time I rented a Glock at a shooting range it jammed on me twice. Theoretically well maintained by the shop owners (dubious, but still) - jams are a problem

[crude prism]

I would suspect that's probably paired with cheap ammo in order for them to turn more of a profit?

[tough spire]

Wouldn't surprise me

It was a Groupon gift I wasn't looking the horse in the mouth too hard 😂

I'll just make a weapon jamming mod and model all of the clearing animations, I guess.

[ashen talon]

can i ask something off-topic?

[tough spire]

Do it, nobody cares about my realism desires

[ashen talon]

i sometimes see in valley of the dolls "(Speaking romanian)" in the subtitles

[crude prism]

Basically the difference between a full steel plate setup would be around 8-14 pounds more than Ceramic, but it's evenly sat around your torso. And we're not exactly exhausted from carrying the things over a mountain range like infantry. It's severely overdramatized for balance

[ashen talon]

anyone got any of the romanian voicelines or know where i can find them?

[frail quartz]

I mean, that would still give you more inertia, wouldn't it? That's the only thing weight effects: acceleration

[ashen talon]

I'm romanian, I'm genuinely curious if there are actual romanian voicelines in the game

[crude prism]

ReadyOrNot/ReadyOrNot/Content/VO

all the VO is organized into folders there

I suspect the guys on Port might speak it?

[frail quartz]

I think they're asking if there's any voiceover in the game

[ashen talon]

i'll give a listen to those too

[crude prism]

Yes, but it's pretty ridiculous, just run around the shoothouse with full-coverage steel, or even just front/back, it's nuts

[bold sky]

i guess they have to do that considering how w all the mechanics factored in rn steel is kinda just better in many ways

might as well make people feel sluggish as hell wearing more than 2 steel plate to compensate

[crude prism]

As soon as armorer works again, steel goes back on the shelf

[tough spire]

Does Armorer not work? I thought someone here was claiming 4-stacking armorer makes you invincible

[crude prism]

Current patch armorer does nothing, unfortunately I took other peoples word for what it did before, and never bothered to test it

It will not happen again

[bold sky]

armorer dont even stack lol

[static relic]

more plates = stacking lmfao

[bold sky]

hmmmmm ok ?

1 armorer does the same thing to all ceramic plate

if all 4 stacks then how does the multiplication even work is it a factor now or just additive

[tough spire]

Folks here have said that officer skills stack, as well. So. Who knows.

[static relic]

just tape like 5 steel plates together and call it a day, trust me

[bold sky]

some of them not all

[tough spire]

I want to 4-stack Breachers and see if I can get an entire room to surrender on a C2.

[bold sky]

plus not to mention i dont know if its tested bc in that guide it seems to just be raw data mining

[static relic]

new update to add explosive devices for officers to use (joke)

[crude prism]

I can look up the values for the traits. A bunch of them do stack, for some max stack is 1, some 2, some 4

[bold sky]

like no one tested if nutritionalist actually work

[crude prism]

🤷

[bold sky]

but i would assume it does

idk trying to work out cera w armorer vs steel

but even then im just too bored of singleplayer to care too hard bc ill never have armorer in coop

[crude prism]

Inb4 the mod for choosing a trait in coop comes out

[bold sky]

yes lol thats why i still try to calculate

[frail quartz]

Surely you can't fuck up something as simple as increasing a value on the SWAT ai, right?

[bold sky]

its raw but steel should make the body parts you cover have effective hp of 160/30% = ~533?

ceramic blocking 8 shots w armorer so if i assume its all 70 damage per shot somehow on rifle rounds then its 160 + 70*8 = 720

but steel has the whole bleeding mechanic going for it so you can technically leech

[crude prism]

The shot that breaks the plate deals damage to you. So with armorer it's 7 shots blocked and the 8th deals damage. While without it's 3 shots blocked and the 4th deals damage

[bold sky]

plus ceramic is likely just insanely better against small caliber

yeah ok i forgot about that si 720 -70 = 650

650 vs 533 but steel can occasionally just leech 80 hp back

ofc this is not factoring in them shooting your limbs

[crude prism]

Swat and players don't have the same health values.

Nutritionist is supposed to give +25% with 1 stack.

AI = 250
player = 160

So is that
AI = 312.5 and player = 200?

[bold sky]

well i mean if we get armorer in coop ill likely run ceramic ngl

[pearl shuttle]

we got any good rebalance mods yet

[bold sky]

running front steel and shield seems to be the best of both world rn if you dont need tactical slot and plan on protection and mobility balance

[crude prism]

inb4 you get kicked from lobbies for wearing steel because "it's trolling"

[bold sky]

i doubt if they can see that rn lol

[static relic]

i don't get why some people run mods that make steel unusable

[bold sky]

bc people who run mods will also run god mode and infinite ammo already

[static relic]

bruh, just run singleplayer if you need to mod THAT hard

[bold sky]

i advocate for dedicated server so much so we can have mod free server more or controlled mod environment

go ask the chinese w potato rig who keep hosting those lobbies lol

[ashen talon]

@crude prism
there is the folder PortAndrei, that's most likely russian, or at least a Cyrillic language
the folder ValleyDaniela has the romanian voicelines

[bold sky]

you @ the wrong person for that r why not @ the guy who ask for those

[ashen talon]

I didn't @ the wrong person

[crude prism]

Ah gotcha, that's his wife yeah. I was thinking it was her or the sunglasses white suit dude that roams int the basement ususally

[ashen talon]

out of anyone, i expected the guards

since their whole attitude is thinking about their families

[static relic]

one time when playing valley of the dolls in MP, i saw a dead officer in the closet with the woman in the white dress

[ashen talon]

and it's typical for balkaners to go work some months in western europe

[frail quartz]

iirc Bolton is mostly made up of ex-military

[crude prism]

Yeah the Bolton guys are clean I'm pretty sure, besides being dubiously willing to fight the cops

[ashen talon]

so far there are 2 voicelines that i legit can't tell what they are

[crude prism]

(and the ones that go in the basement)

[slender adder]

who is that guy anyway

[mighty elbow]

what does it mean for a game to be optimized?

[frail quartz]

(presumably dishonorably discharged )

[mighty elbow]

like ron

[ashen talon]

for a game to be optimized it means that it doesn't use a ton of resources to run it properly

[frail quartz]

Whether or not they were clean before, they're definitely criminals now.

[loud patio]

I’m depressed cuz I have like 3 missions left till I’m done with the game 😭 but ig I can go and S rank everything

[blazing eagle]

live for the cheese pizza DIE by the cheese pizza

[ashen talon]

an example of ways to optimize it is to compress and decompress textures, as textures come in 4K usually and the bigger they are the more VRAM they use in order to load

[soft sage]

does anyone know how to enter into cinimatic mode in RON

[crude prism]

Unsure, I think he's just "Amos #1 henchman"

[frail quartz]

there's a "Replay" section in the main menu that lets you fly a freecam through missions you've previously played

[loud patio]

is the highest rank in game S or S+

[soft sage]

ohhhhh

thank you for this

[frail quartz]

S, S+ doesn't exist

[loud patio]

ah okay I forgot thanks

for s you can’t kill any suspects right?

[ashen talon]

bro can you check the voicelines "Immune_0" and "IdleSelf_0"? i legit can't tell if it's english

[blazing eagle]

its S theres no S+

[frail quartz]

Yeah, that's what I said

[frail quartz]

You can't knock them out either, they all have to be restrained and conscious

[blazing eagle]

• Non Lethal Total
• No Incapitations
• No Dead civilians
• All weapons and hidden obj recovered
• All obj completed
• No excessive force i.e Unauthorized use of force

[crude prism]

Not english

[ashen talon]

it's not romanian either

[crude prism]

sounds like total gibberish

[ashen talon]

it is

[blazing eagle]

some maps are easier than others

[crude prism]

like someone faking a bad english accent

[ashen talon]

someone faking speaking romanian

[tough spire]

You can have dead SWAT you just need to report them

[trail sphinx]

just got the game

[ashen talon]

"PickedUp_3" and "PlayerSeen_0" are legit someone faking speaking romanian it's the most hilarious thing i've heard

[trail sphinx]

its amazing

[fair crane]

I wanna bring a shield into my team should I make one of the ai carry it? Or should I carry the shield, I don’t know if the ai use it good and I don’t want to risk another death

[bold sky]

ai suck at using shield except when breaching then sometimes they use it well

[blazing eagle]

are you sure? I havent gotten a S without everyone on the map living

[fair crane]

Alright I’ll use one then thanks

[bold sky]

dont think you can have dead swat in single

in coop for sure but not single just bc of the raw 100 penalty

[blazing eagle]

me and a friend run maps S tier just us and when one of us die and get reported we get a A+

[bold sky]

ok thats you missing something then lol

[waxen quiver]

Be careful about the glare on its window. Missions like 23MB/Sec have such bad glare that you can't see anything through it.

[fair crane]

I’m really stuck on the mansion party mission so I’ve decided to use a shield to try and pass it, I don’t think there should be too much glare but I’m not sure

[waxen quiver]

Maybe the nighttime maps are better, but I tried being point man once and after not being able to see, I figured I'd just have the AI clear the room after my go.

[fair crane]

Where can I find the shield? Sorry about all the questions lol

[tough spire]

Tactical Slot

[fair crane]

Ah thank you so much

[static relic]

i wonder what's a good long tactical for general use :/

[waxen quiver]

Mirrorgun lets you see around corners and above walls (as does Alt+W for standing up higher). If you're uncertain, it's never a bad idea.

[crude prism]

They're all useful. Mirror gun is probably the best if you're playing solo

Get a good general idea of each room

[tough spire]

Best all-purpose can't-go-wrong-with is mirror gun. If you're a gambler use shield. If you're big on clever breaching tactics use shotty. And the launchers are just a damn blast.

[bold sky]

i would say single play mirror is not that great like you would think unless you are walking the whole map

if you pull out a mirror into a suspect right behind the door they kick the door in your face well over half the time and thats just a guarantee death

[tough spire]

How is improved SA on demand not great? You can literally look around corners and over cover with it

[bold sky]

again if they walk into you when you pull mirror out its really over

[tough spire]

So don't mirror without cover. LOL

[bold sky]

? they walk into you

mirror a door theres a risk of them kicking door and mirror a corner and they might walk out of it

the audio in this game is really shit that you cant be certain you'll hear them

[tough spire]

And if you have someone covering you...

[static relic]

what rifle do you guys like running for fun 🐟

[bold sky]

i am talkin g about playing solo?

solo stresses speed and aggression a lot more than going safe

[tough spire]

Your AI should be covering you, unless you're going 100% alone

[bold sky]

moving fast usually means you spend less time in open area

plus its an extreme adrenaline rush every gunfight

for fun i would run any of the .300 rifle but the lvar; to win i would just run g36

i would say if you try to solo clear a few times you get addicted to it; the satisfaction from gunfights is immense and your aim and angle knowledge improves so much

i had an elephant solo run where i just got in the groove and face tap all of them somehow

that was satisfying enough i literally just play exactly that one game and have enough energy to work for the rest of the day

[ashen talon]

@crude prism stats aside, favorite rifle for 5.56, for 300 Blackout and favorite 9mm SMG? and what do you think about the MP9 as an unsuppressed weapon for CQB?

[fair crane]

alright so an ai civilian just punched me 3 times and I died, they were the last one but I didn’t know if I had to shoot them or something so I didn’t

And then they just killed me I’m gonna cry

[stone stump]

some of that can already be deduced from the spreadsheet - g36c for 5.56, arn180 for .300 BLK. not so obvious with 9mm smgs tho

[ashen talon]

i said stats aside

just the general feel of the weapon

[stone stump]

feel is heavily dependent on the stats whether you like it or not

plus i'm pretty sure MMMM is into choosing the best tool for the job instead of what looks better but enough with assumptions, pattern recognition is not always right

[crude prism]

I prefer the G36 because of the usability and good optic selection. ARN-18/LVAR/MCX are all kinda interchangeable, I don't use .300blk very often

I really like the MP5A2 for the aesthetic

[viscid bane]

The Fool

[low ruin]

According to Ready or Not AI Modders:
The reaction time of the AI while in their combat alert phase is between 0.1-0.2 seconds, or 100-200ms; your ping to the host or fps perceived latency is factored after this variable, meaning with a generous coast to coast ping of 50ms, you are expected to react to a target rounding a corner in approximately 0.05 seconds or 50ms, the fastest reaction time recorded of a professional Counter-Strike AWP player during a live stakes competitive match is between 125-150ms, a shot made by JW of Fnatic; the average human reaction time is between 0.25-0.35 seconds or 250-350ms.

Do with this information as you will

[viscid bane]

Nah I’d win

[crude prism]

Just prefire like a true competitive player

proper SWAT tactics

[ashen talon]

i go for the looks most of the time, i cannot play G36C due to how it looks, i grew up playing call of duty, the sawed off top rail on the G36C looks incredebly cursed

looks alone i run the HK416 when going 5.56

[main stream]

So basically AI has reaction time comparable to professional competitive players, not accounting for ping

[stone stump]

my condolences

[stone stump]

no. they have way faster reactions

[tough spire]

CS also taught me to never facecheck, the peeker has the advantage and safely grenade from where I can't be seen.

[ashen talon]

even in league of legends this is recognized, and the league devs put a 0.25s delay on spells, from the moment their animation starts to the moment they take effect, they don't dip below 0.25

[viscid bane]

Bring one mag and 14 flashes to flash every room ggez

[tough spire]

I also regularly make the first shot against enemy AI so I find the whole reaction time argument to be bogus.

[ashen talon]

what i also find bogus

i shoot a shot into the enemy on single fire, he staggers, goes back to shooting me

[stone stump]

that's because their reactions get faster the louder you are

[mighty elbow]

hes the main character

[tough spire]

That tracks.

[viscid bane]

Worst feeling is forgetting to switch your smg to auto and then dying for it

[stone stump]

using a smg in the first place you mean?

[viscid bane]

Yes

I use them sometimes for the drip

[stone stump]

granny drip

[ashen talon]

i stay on single fire

idk bro, nothing wrong with deliberately staying on single fire, even on SMGs in some scenarios

[tough spire]

Single fire for rifles, auto for SMGs. Burst is for children.

[viscid bane]

Burst is for people who enjoy dying

[cobalt sequoia]

Auto in most games is completely pointless

Unless it’s something like cod or halo

[tough spire]

What is "suppressive fire" anyway

[cobalt sequoia]

Shooting in an enemies direction to prevent them from leaking out of cover and firing at you

Generally ineffective in most games since suppressive fire is inaccurate and most games don’t have the suppressed vision if you get shot at near

[tough spire]

If you're only doing it to blur vision you're usin' it wrong

[cobalt sequoia]

Well it’s mainly to not let the enemy get out of cover

But it’s not like the AI gives a shit

[tough spire]

Bursting a full auto weapon usually works great regardless of whether or not the AI panics 😉

[cobalt sequoia]

Yeah

If you can control recoil

Which I can’t, especially with my AK

[crude prism]

The burst in this game SUCKS because it doesn't fire the whole burst unless you hold the mouse button down

awful

[cobalt sequoia]

Yeah

You don’t have to hold the trigger in real life for the buddy to fire right?

Why did it say buddy, I meant burst

[tough spire]

Depends on the gun

Some bursts do not fire the whole burst unless you hold the trigger down.

Which is ideal.

[cobalt sequoia]

Yes

[kindred crag]

check media I hab request

[lucid remnant]

Sawed off? It's a KAC rail sight. A real thing

[tough spire]

I kinda like it. I don't know why it gets so much hate here.

[ashen talon]

it's the only piece of media that portrays the G36C without the whole top rail

at least the only piece of media to my knowledge, a ton of people say it with the top rail in other video games, for me it's Call of Duty Modern Warfare 1 and 3

[stiff fox]

Critical error?

[magic yacht]

hey question do any of the suspects in hospital have armor?

[tough spire]

Well that's what you get for only consuming CoD.

[bold sky]

g36 w top rail is gonna be clunky as fuck

[severe tartan]

im dying to have this game in PVP is it ever coming??

[bold sky]

should have played when we had pvp to hate it then

[tough spire]

I can't imagine how much complaining would increase here with a PvP mode

[severe tartan]

5v5 5:00 time limits? any news on anything new?

[ashen talon]

hopefully not yet

[cobalt sequoia]

I hope pvp doesn’t come

And if it does

[lethal sparrow]

How can I freelook?

[cobalt sequoia]

It should be when the game is much more matured

[lethal sparrow]

I saw other ppl doing, cant seem to find the key

[cobalt sequoia]

Toggle with alt

[ashen talon]

you mean the steeper leans? press Alt

[tough spire]

If you add PvP then you have to start adding balancing for PvP and it's an inherently imbalanced game.

[lethal sparrow]

Alr, thx

[lethal sparrow]

thx

[bold sky]

thats free lean free look is caps i think

[cobalt sequoia]

Yeah, if your use a mk18 and the enemy has a R870 it’s not even fair

[ashen talon]

if they add PVP then i hope the single player is impecable, it's supposed to be the successor of SWAT 4, not of CS 1.6

[bold sky]

they had pvp lol

[lethal sparrow]

doesnt work. Ill elaborate. I wanna look around freely. Like move my head

[cobalt sequoia]

I think hold caps

[lethal sparrow]

Thx

[tough spire]

They also had a completely different hotel map. Some things are just better off left behind in development.

[ashen talon]

in a 2018 closed alpha?

[lethal sparrow]

it works

[bold sky]

still counts as pvp

the most horrid pvp to ever walk the face of earth

[ashen talon]

yeah, in a build that was probably scrapped

[cobalt sequoia]

WTF I didn’t know the kill me command exists

[bold sky]

the shittiest netcode known to mankind

[cobalt sequoia]

Cool achievement

[ashen talon]

kill a civie

don't ask how i know

[prime wing]

The reason why WE DONT WANT it back

[cobalt sequoia]

Yeah, I shot an active shooter who surrender and was cuffed and I locked the door

[prime wing]

they can keep the pvp

[cobalt sequoia]

They busted that shit down

[tough spire]

Just go play Zero Hour PvP if you need it

[ashen talon]

chin up king, i believe that it COULD be a good addition since shooting the guns and leaning feels really smooth

[cobalt sequoia]

I think they would need to make entirely new maps for pcp

Or make it sort of like r6 with attack and defend

[ashen talon]

i just see it as a matter of it being the lowest priority over the single player experience, aka the reason the game exists, as a successor to SWAT 4

[cobalt sequoia]

Like imagine ppp on port

That wouldn’t work

[stone stump]

why don't you do it yourself then?

[ashen talon]

custom maps need to be made

[bold sky]

alright mister im pissed when people have legit complain

[stone stump]

nah, the game started as a pvp tactical shooter

[bold sky]

go use your gun on semi

the game didnt start out as anything they check what people interest at the time was

[tough spire]

There's a few maps where a defending player team would have such a huge advantage that the AI don't exploit.

[crude prism]

Becuase it was easiest to drop players with barebones mechanics and have them shoot at eachother than to have a workable AI

[bold sky]

if they went down the pvp route this game would be dead so hard

[ashen talon]

am I not versed enough in how the game got to be? i always thought it was a successor for SWAT 4, then it turned into PVP for a beta to test the waters and after it was horrible it went back to remake it

[cobalt sequoia]

Some game just isn’t meant to be coped

Pvped

[stone stump]

if you think about it it's still the case

[crude prism]

PvP with the current iteration of helmets + armor would be a nightmare

[tough spire]

Brisa PvP would be a lot of fun.

[stone stump]

real tactical pvp experience would be like hide and seek but with guns

[ashen talon]

lethal obsession PVP

[tough spire]

To be frank... it's called Ground Branch and it rules.

[amber dock]

They should make a PvP mode and have it have three separate gamemodes: one where the defenders have a hostage, one where they're protecting a container, and one where they're defending two bombs. They should give special abilities and unique weapons depending on which character you choose.

Also microtransactions

[prime wing]

Yes please

[tough spire]

RoN Discord: Where the most blatant trolls are the mods

[cobalt sequoia]

Lol

[crude prism]

blackbeard shield in RoN when?

[cobalt sequoia]

Uninstall the game budy

[ashen talon]

delete this so the rest of the idea can be a banger

[stone stump]

when supporter exclusive gun that when equipped lags everyone else?

[prime wing]

to make a balanced pvp experience will take a few years

if ron wants to be unique

[cobalt sequoia]

Bruh

[stone stump]

banger? that's basically a hero shooter at this point

[cobalt sequoia]

I was making the joke 😦

[stone stump]

i feel like they have more important things to do now...

[ashen talon]

or at least if cosmetics are introduced only show your own, so no advantage or disadvantage from either the enemy team or your own team appear

[cobalt sequoia]

Like stop using ai to develop assets

[prime wing]

Judge ability being stoicism

[ashen talon]

why? it's just swats vs terros, hero shooters need individual characters with different personalities and different abilities, it's just battlefield mercs

[prime wing]

David Judge "The wall" Beaumont

[cobalt sequoia]

Does Ron actually use ai or do their developers not know how to spell

[stone stump]

world is run by rogue ai and you're complaining about ron devs using ai art?

[cobalt sequoia]

I’m not xomayign

[shrewd oriole]

People are going crazy with palworld using AI. Sadly they haven't seen RoN yet

[cobalt sequoia]

Complaingin

[true cedar]

Idk if this is the place to ask but does this server announce if there will be a sale or not?

[shrewd oriole]

Nyes

[prime wing]

yu

sometimes

[true cedar]

Alright, ty ty i'm looking to get it so

but im a lil too broke for $50 ngl

[shrewd oriole]

This game is not worth 50$

[ashen talon]

i got it back in 2022

[shrewd oriole]

Wait for updates

[cobalt sequoia]

What the hell is wrong with you?? Stop violating your ROE!

[true cedar]

huh?

[shrewd oriole]

I saw that

[prime wing]

it is a 40 dollar game. Not sure about 50

[ashen talon]

i was there to tell a mod that the AK uses an intermediate cartridge and shouldn't be classed as an SMG like it was originally announced

[prime wing]

the fuck

[shrewd oriole]

Bro is BEGGING for that timeout

He actually edging the mods that crazy bro 💀

[cobalt sequoia]

Is it because he sent the two guys kissing

WTF

[ashen talon]

it was announced that it'd end up a 60 USD game as it gets more and more updates

mods, crush his skull, thank you

[cobalt sequoia]

Glad I bought it for like 1 cent in 2022

[shrewd oriole]

Objectively funny

[cobalt sequoia]

Black men shaking their ass, yes very funny 🤯

[stone stump]

are we talking about ron or what?

[shrewd oriole]

Ikr

[prime wing]

as much as I like ron, I would not encourage people to buy at 50

[cobalt sequoia]

Blud

[shrewd oriole]

50-60 dollars is NOT worth it bro.

[ashen talon]

bro it was 36 euros
and i got it wrong, i got it in december 2021 not 2022 mb

[cobalt sequoia]

Are you schizophrenic or something deluxe

[cobalt sequoia]

Damn bro is a real og

[ashen talon]

yeah they initially wanted to raise the price as it gets more and more updates, as it released with really few maps, weapons and modes

like half the current weapons, half the current maps, modes were removed for some reason

[shrewd oriole]

I got this game back when it first came to steam and it was like, 25-30$

[stone stump]

dude is posting fucked up shit and stil not even muted

[ashen talon]

yeah, it was 36 euros for me

[cobalt sequoia]

Young people discord man what can I say

[stone stump]

they already did increase the price since the "full" game dropped. i don't think it will get any more expensive, that would be way too in-character for void

[shrewd oriole]

Bro do not act like you are above this you are in the RON DISCORD.

[cobalt sequoia]

I joined because all the people in public lobues are 🤖 idiofs

[prime wing]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-hands-up-kevin-hart-meme-reaction-gif-3737003720595340719

[ashen talon]

I got bragging rights for telling someone working on the game that the AK shouldn't be classed as an SMG, as it has an intermediate cartridge instead of a pistol caliber, as it was originally intented to be classes as an SMG

[shrewd oriole]

The reference is crazy I swear

[terse merlin]

whar

[cobalt sequoia]

Why would a short barrel AK be an and

[prime wing]

Guilty as charged for being in the ron server

[cobalt sequoia]

Smg

[prime wing]

straight to prison

[stone stump]

it's more about the lack of consistency smh

[cobalt sequoia]

Do discodd mods exist outside of discodd

[terse merlin]

Because according to soviet classification, the krinkov is classed as an SMG

Which is dumb

[shrewd oriole]

Yes they are also called valorant players

[obtuse schooner]

How do you get sins of the father completed?

[cobalt sequoia]

Yeah, soviets are known for being smart so that’s a pretty good decision

[obtuse schooner]

This mission is getting to the point of greased palms holy crap

[shrewd oriole]

You arrest the suspects and civvies

[prime wing]

step 1:

[obtuse schooner]

I can't get through the goddamn map without losing an officer or two

[cobalt sequoia]

Bro is breaking out the step by step

[terse merlin]

Skill issue I think

[cobalt sequoia]

🤯🤯🤯

[prime wing]

do an sloppenheinmer and nuke the hotel

[obtuse schooner]

Probably? I feel like I'm going in the wrong way or something

The side of the hotel near the elevators isn't too bad but once I get to the other side all hell breaks loose

[ashen talon]

compactness ig, the AKS-74U has a history of being classed as an SMG in different games just for being compact, despite a requirement is to be chambered in a pistol caliber, while 5.45 is an intermediate cartridge so it's technically a Carbine Rifle

[terse merlin]

The elevator spawn is decent

[cobalt sequoia]

Just get better DoctorDelta, it’s alright if your digital larping skills are not on par with all other pro gamers 😎

[ashen talon]

Oppenheimerstyle

[urban walrus]

Modes were removed because they value their story more than replayability (you can read the actual quote in the 1.0 patch note)

[terse merlin]

But if you spawn roof you gotta clear the top floor first so you don't need to deal with that fucked veranda area from the bottom floor

[obtuse schooner]

The top floor isn't bad

It's the goddamn bottom floor

[shrewd oriole]

Clear it top to bottom then

[cobalt sequoia]

Use your team to breach every room

[obtuse schooner]

I can't go into the kitchen because I get blasted the second I go in

[shrewd oriole]

Grenade

[cobalt sequoia]

And make sure to not check for bomb rigged doors, they don’t occur on that map

[obtuse schooner]

I try and go through the door after the long hallway and die there

[shrewd oriole]

Grenade

[obtuse schooner]

Grenades don't work lol

I only got four and ai throw them back in their faces

[cobalt sequoia]

Take a good old hand grenade and send shrapnel into every civvie in there

[ashen talon]

zamn, i must've missed the quote

[tough spire]

If a grenade isn't working you're not using it right

[stone stump]

that's your biggest gripe? there are literal semi auto pistols chambered in .300 blk

[shrewd oriole]

Bring more

[obtuse schooner]

Tell that to the ai

[cobalt sequoia]

Use shotgun and shoot throw the walls

[tough spire]

I don't trust my AI to throw on critical thresholds, yeah. 😂

[obtuse schooner]

What, like get rid of my ammo?

[shrewd oriole]

You only need 4 main mags and 2-3 sidearm

[obtuse schooner]

That's what I have..

[shrewd oriole]

AI will usually blast them for you

[obtuse schooner]

Is there a good path or something?

[shrewd oriole]

So you can get away with less

[ashen talon]

haven't heard about them, but wdym my biggest gripe?

[cobalt sequoia]

The best path is removing the wall with your 12 guage

[obtuse schooner]

Seriously?

[ashen talon]

bro asked why the aks-74u would be classed as an SMG to begin with, it's compact and has been misclassed before

[shrewd oriole]

Lethal grenade best tactic

[cobalt sequoia]

Don’t mind any civilians

[obtuse schooner]

So much for actual advice

[shrewd oriole]

You came to the ron discord bro

[cobalt sequoia]

Bro I’m giving you advice, shot the fucking walls out

[obtuse schooner]

I got good advice before

Too late ig

[shrewd oriole]

Mythical, once in a life time

[tough spire]

Sorry I try to give good advice but I missed the question

[cobalt sequoia]

Probably from some basement dweller milsom larper you got advice from

[obtuse schooner]

Is there a good path or something?

[tough spire]

If there isn't I haven't found one. I dump glowsticks and work high to low avoiding those big open 2story rooms as much as possible.

[stone stump]

your biggest gripe.

[ashen talon]

the AI is on crack cocaine, they shoot you through 2 walls, it's worse that vietnam

[ashen talon]

my biggest gripe about what?

[cobalt sequoia]

Your biggest grip, can it fit how much circumference?

[obtuse schooner]

Pft, I've been shot at from the windows while on the fire escape before. That was fun.

Oh modest is here, they helped me last time

[earnest python]

I'm pretty sure that in Soviet documentation it's referred to as an SMG

[stone stump]

#👮ron-discussion message

[ashen talon]

i've heard of that but i wasn't sure enough about it to mention it

[cobalt sequoia]

Your bio 💀

[ashen talon]

yeah i got bragging rights about it

[earnest python]

I would have to see one that's not just a very short AR classified as a "pistol" for legal purposes

[stone stump]

that's what i'm talking about

[earnest python]

that's really just a quirk of US firearms law rather than any real objective classification imo

[ashen talon]

that's just US beaurocracy

that i don't know anything about

i'm eastern european

[cobalt sequoia]

ATF when you have a business card with a Template of a lighting link on it. 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

[earnest python]

so the way it works is that if the barrel is under 16 inches and it has a stock, it is a short-barreled rifle (SBR) and requires a $200 tax stamp or you go to prison for 10 years. If the barrel is under 16 inches and it doesn't have a stock, it's a pistol, and you can buy those without any special paperwork or tax stamp

[cobalt sequoia]

I thought tax stamp was only on automatic weapon?

[ashen talon]

you say tax stamp, i hear bribe

[bright valley]

Oh no, the pressure's on me, huh? lol. I might need to run through that one a couple times to see what sticks out to me.

[stone stump]

pistol braces are so hilarious smh

[ashen talon]

so a piece of plastic at the end of the rifle is a felony

[earnest python]

automatic weapons, short barreled rifles, short barreled shotguns, suppressors, and destructive devices like hand grenades or anything with a bore diameter over like half an inch

[cobalt sequoia]

Just like if you strap a combat grip onto an automatic weapon it’s like, felony, not felony, felony, not felony

[obtuse schooner]

That'd be great. This map is worse than greased palms at this point because if I don't get blasted into next week and I'm doing well, I crash like I was on the crack cocaine house mission; every ten seconds. It's driving me insane.

Go fast so I don't crash? Die.

Go slow so I don't die? Crash. Grr.

[earnest python]

more or less that's what it is. the government couldn't ban the guns without it being unconstitutional, so they just made them prohibitively expensive for the average person. When the NFA was passed in 1934, $200 was the equivalent of like $4000 in today's money

[ashen talon]

afaik an assault rifle has to have the capabilities of select fire, an intermediate cartridge, 16 inch barrel and detachable magazine

the lack of either select fire or 16 inch barrel would class it as a carbine rifle

[bright valley]

Wait, crash like the game's process terminates?

[obtuse schooner]

Yep.

[earnest python]

just select fire and intermediate caliber, the M16A1 is an assault rifle but its barrel is 20 inches

[bright valley]

Well shit, hard to play around a technical issue.

[ashen talon]

my bad, i should've specified that the 16 inches is a minimum, anything above still counts

[earnest python]

nah it can be under too, the M4 has a 14.5 inch barrel

[obtuse schooner]

It doesn't happen every mission, I don't think anyway. I just either die or crash before I can finish it.

[cobalt sequoia]

Poor optimization, sorry

[ashen talon]

yeah but isn't the M4 classed as a carbine?

[stone stump]

carbine is more of a european terminology i think. americans just call it SBRs (?)

[earnest python]

it's still an assault rifle

it can be in two categories

[tough spire]

There isn't a clear answer for a lot of weapons and it changes country to country what the rules are. Y'all gonna drive yourselves nuts.

[earnest python]

George is right

[ashen talon]

"A carbine is a long gun that has a barrel shortened from its original length. Most modern carbines are rifles that are compact versions of a longer rifle or are rifles chambered for less powerful cartridges." -wikipedia

[obtuse schooner]

Anyway, ignore the crashing. I just need a strategy that's better than whatever I'm doing rn.

[stone stump]

as well all know america is the only real country

[ashen talon]

afaik SBR is just the ATF classification so they can tax you

[cobalt sequoia]

Not really

If you want a hunting caliber in a semi automatic gun that is more tactical, like the 6.5 creedmoor, those have sbr but it needs to be called sbr

[tough spire]

The dictionary defines "gun" as....

[stone stump]

as someone said not so long ago here, gun terminology makes no sense

[prime wing]

Earblasten loudenboomer. Thats the answer to everything

[ashen talon]

y'all use a silencer, i want a loudener

[cobalt sequoia]

Shoot gun near loudspeaker

Like the ones that instantly louden your voice

[prime wing]

question

[earnest python]

answer

[ashen talon]

ye?

[earnest python]

bro's writing an essay

[cobalt sequoia]

Yeah

[prime wing]

can you amplify a gun by connecting it to something somehow. Dumbest idea but I am curious

[earnest python]

like the noise?

[cobalt sequoia]

Amplify a gun in what sense

[prime wing]

ye

[earnest python]

yeah putting anything on the muzzle that redirects the muzzle blast will make it seem louder

[cobalt sequoia]

Yeah easy, just ask your mom to walk around and it should be around 3.2x louder than a 5.56 nato round going off

[prime wing]

No i mean connecting it to a sound system, literally

well\

[tough spire]

It would overload most microphones, but yes.

[earnest python]

if you tape a mic to the end of your barrel it'll prolly be real loud

[prime wing]

i guess you can use a mic

[cobalt sequoia]

Professional Earrape

[terse merlin]

I dont think there's a way to plug it into an amp or anything

[cobalt sequoia]

For when screaming into your mic isn’t enough

[ashen talon]

wasn't a shotgun already at a drum shattering 130 DB?

[tough spire]

Doesn't matter what you do with the mic, you'd need a sound sytem that'd kick out louder than the gun report.

[earnest python]

most guns will damage your ears

[earnest python]

an average .22 is at 140 db according to google

[tough spire]

Wow this is an awful setup

[cobalt sequoia]

Yeah, anything above 120 will hurt your ear

[prime wing]

worst concert you will ever go to

[tough spire]

Anything above 70 depending on prolonged exposure.

[stone stump]

so much for guns being invented to protect yourself

[cobalt sequoia]

Yup, anything above 200 quickly can cause permanent damage I think

[prime wing]

https://tenor.com/view/oppenheimer-oppenheimer-movie-walk-walking-gif-3311223081607307352

[earnest python]

shot my buddy's G3 clone at the range and forgot my earplugs

won't do that again

[cobalt sequoia]

When I was a kid I had a wolf pack get launched right next to my ear and it still fades from time to time and have much tinnitus

[stone stump]

mfs when they disable hearing protection on their iphone

[cobalt sequoia]

💀

[earnest python]

gotta sleep with a fan now

[cobalt sequoia]

Fuck, that’s the struggle man

[terse merlin]

My tinnitus keeps the voices quiet

[gilded mural]

anybody got an explanation of the games story on yt or idk a message cuz i aint readin allat in the briefing im here to shoot up ppl and save ppl

[stone stump]

the story isn't really a story

[gilded mural]

lemme guess its not in the right order?

ive heard that it isnrt

[stone stump]

more like a general lore of the game that's there in the background

[gilded mural]

oh

[stone stump]

mostly environmental storytelling

[gilded mural]

no way im going to pixel hunt while getting shot at

anyways i dont really care i just want to know the lore lol

[earnest python]

i kinda wish you could toggle the mission autocomplete off

[gilded mural]

it is off

[earnest python]

then you could walk around and enjoy the setting

[gilded mural]

when you finish you have to press y to leave

[earnest python]

that's only if you haven't gotten everything

[gilded mural]

nope

[stone stump]

don't report main objectives and you will be good

[gilded mural]

oh wait

ohhhh so if you get everything you insta leave

[earnest python]

yes

[prime wing]

Ron story is basically, nothing you do in the game amounts to anything.

just a loop in hell

[stone stump]

with swat being a bunch of never ending clones

[gilded mural]

the games entire plot is cp

[stone stump]

so suspects are the demons? would explain their behaviors

[prime wing]

RoN is just a trip through purgatorium

[tough spire]

Just wait til you get past the CP

[stone stump]

not really

[gilded mural]

i finished the game and i uhh yeah i uhh
the only enviromental story telling i noticed was valley of the dolls cuz its the main objective there

[tough spire]

You missed a looooot of stuff my dude.

[gilded mural]

ik

and some cp

[prime wing]

You could sit through a read through newspapers and documents found on the levels, but honestly its a lot to process in a non linear order. The level that gives up a lot of info is Ridgeline

[gilded mural]

i noticed

[gilded mural]

just like i did with the goat russian fairy tale in buy cheap buy twice

i just sat there for 10 minutes

and listened

and it is 100% better than the newspapers

[earnest python]

i can't read shit, i gotta crank my graphics down to play it with any reasonable framerate

[gilded mural]

before patch 2 i had 80 fps sometimes dropping to 50,now i have 50 sometimes dropping to 20 in the new update

[viscid bane]

[gilded mural]

and by sometimes i mean i had to play the entirety of the buy cheap buy twice level with 20-30 fps

and my pc isnt shit

[viscid bane]

Specs?

[gilded mural]

3060 ti i5 11400f

[stone stump]

correlation doesn't imply causation

[gilded mural]

what

[bright valley]

@obtuse schooner I don't know if I really have much in the way of airtight strategy, but at least one thing that I know really characterizes Sins of the Father is how heavy it is with doors and corridors. That's a double-edged sword; because on one hand, all the doors provide plenty of anchor points to give your squad orders around, and gives wedges a lot of power for controlling territory (e.g. starting Elevator and wedging one of the floors off means you don't have to worry about anything coming up behind you as you work the other floor, at least until you encounter another flight of stairs that you can also wedge off). On the other hand, the AI SWAT frankly sucks ass at autonomously clearing door-filled corridors, likely to blunder and get killed waltzing past an open door if you simply tell them to open/move and clear the hall like just any room. Open/Move and Clear followed quickly by a Hold after 2+ officers have made it through a threshold is a decent way to get them to enter a hall if you don't want to go first. This applies to all maps really, but when you encounter a really weird space, sometimes you have to take the initiative as the leader, either making that crucial precision grenade throw or just having an element fall in while you take point.

[viscid bane]

Wtf why is your frames so bad

[gilded mural]

idk mate

am i fucked?

[viscid bane]

I have a 3070 and a 13 something cpu and am always at my FPS lock of 120

[stone stump]

just because game performance changed after an update doesn't mean it's the update that caused it

[bright valley]

probably could have been a DM but it's map strategy/notes so I suppose others might care to see it lol

[stone stump]

performance issues in ron rarely have anything to do with the specs

[gilded mural]

i mean why couldnt it be the cause? i never had this low of fps before

[stone stump]

stuff in windows could change, your drivers. a lot of things, not just the update

[gilded mural]

before 1.0 i had 300~ in the base,160~ in missions

[gilded mural]

i didnt update my windows,but i did drivers sure

[obtuse schooner]

I was so close to completing the level.. but I ran out of flashbangs and I needed one for a sticky situation. So, fuck running pistol ammo. I think I can do this, almost. It's just annoying because when I go in first, sometimes I soak bullets like a sponge and can kill them.

Or I don't.. and they one-tap me before I can even shoot past one bullet.

[bright valley]

It's not a super short map so there's definitely some "attrition warfare" shit going on.

I can type good I swear

[obtuse schooner]

No kidding..

[gilded mural]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/742888261994676324/1121993536397660190/asdafa.gif

fuck

[stone stump]

real

[bright valley]

i've been found

[stone stump]

we met more than a year ago

[bright valley]

This is true.

Oh maaaaan I just had two officers beef it and die trying to clear a bathroom that had one suspect in it. This game sometimes.

[dreamy garden]

Does anyone know of a godmode/way higher health mod?
I know #🔧modding-chat exists but its kinda dead especially at this sort of hour

I've looked around and its just for AI

[stone bay]

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/3568

[dreamy garden]

Just downloaded that and it doesnt seem to work for players

checksum is disabled

"Change the HP from 250 (Standard) to 99999 for all Swat Members" seems like AI only

Especially if they mention stress

[stone bay]

💀

[cobalt sequoia]

Skull mojey

[stone stump]

what does checksum have to do with it?

[cobalt sequoia]

For me 500 health is pretty good

[dreamy garden]

Multiplayer server

[cobalt sequoia]

I dont like being shot in the foot and then infantry having to bandage my arm

[bright valley]

Probably just a concession so you can keep moving and looking forward while bandaging.

[stone stump]

and? it only changes whether you allow other players with the same checksum(or not) to join your game

[scarlet crystal]

@viscid bane I have a 4070 and a i7 14700kf 32gb ram and the game still stutters and that is crazy.

[inland wolf]

buddy you're high off your rocker, take a breather

[scarlet crystal]

This game has some performance issues

[cobalt sequoia]

No shit

[viscid bane]

L

[tough spire]

We have nearly identical builds and I don't have that problem

[viscid bane]

Lol

[inland wolf]

hold on in what ways

[viscid bane]

Lmao even

[cobalt sequoia]

Take your meds

[scarlet crystal]

Well I don't know, this game runs weird for me. Especially since Jan 19th

[inland wolf]

dx11 or 12, safe mode?, mods?

stuttering when moving camera, stuttering in general,

[scarlet crystal]

Dx 12 no and no

Stuttering during gameplay at times

[inland wolf]

check drivers, make sure you arent limiting your fps to something stupidly low, etc

[scarlet crystal]

My build is pretty top notch, so I shouldn't have that problem I'd think

[cobalt sequoia]

ITS NIT

[inland wolf]

ok buddy what do you have then

[cobalt sequoia]

YOUR BUILD, ITS THE OPTIMIZtion, THERE IS NOTHING GOU CAN DO SBOUT IT

[scarlet crystal]

Yeah I've don't that. I'll try uncapping my fps and see what that does. I like to limit my fps so it runs smoother

[inland wolf]

ive got a pc considerably worse and i dont stutter most of the time

[inland wolf]

set it to exactly whatever your monitor refresh rate* is

and you dont really need anything higher than 1080p unless you're a graphics nerd

[cobalt sequoia]

Same, but It’s nowhere near perfectly optimized

[tough spire]

Most folks don't even know what "optimization" means, they just like throwing it out there when things aren't working for them.

[scarlet crystal]

Yeah my screen is 144hz so I'll set it there

[inland wolf]

i believe having a higher fps can sometimes help with gameplay but its not a marginal improvement

[scarlet crystal]

@inland wolf oh my monitor is 1440p so I can't do 1080

[inland wolf]

ONLY?

[tough spire]

2k monitor 144hz running 4070ti and i9 and it rarely runs below 144fps.

[scarlet crystal]

Yeah you have a ti and i9 lol. I'd expect you to be fine

[barren cape]

Are some missions referenced to real life incidents? Las Vegas 2017, Orlando Nightclub, Columbine Shooting?

[cobalt sequoia]

💀💀💀💀

[stone stump]

of course you can do 1080p

[cobalt sequoia]

Not the columbine, there is not high school mission

[scarlet crystal]

Not native so it looks like shit

[barren cape]

There is

[crude prism]

I read a thing on reddit that said to open the calculator on windows 10 while playing RoN and it unironically has drastically improved my frames

[cobalt sequoia]

That’s a college bro…

[crude prism]

I have absolutely no fucking clue

[tough spire]

It's not a significant difference. I was running an i7 and 1080 on this same monitor before and was stable around 60fps

[inland wolf]

thats crazy bro

how the absolute FUCK would that help at all

[stone stump]

do you remember that guy who said ron isn't registered as a game in windows?

[cobalt sequoia]

void interactive: where you need a calculator to run the game

[crude prism]

I have no idea, but I'm pushing like 100+ frames now on maps where I previously got like 60 at best

[barren cape]

That’s a detal that’s no important. You could than argue that it’s not the exact city. But the style is the same. And the Orlando nightclub shooting and the Las Vegas shooting are basically the same as irl

[bright valley]

I think there's a lot of pretty likely inferences, but there aren't any direct recreations of any real-life events in the game.

[crude prism]

💀

[barren cape]

I mean some are insanely obvious if you know the events

[cobalt sequoia]

There is no mission where you stop one shooter from killing hundreds of concert goers

I wouldn’t go so far as calling the last Vegas same as irl

[barren cape]

Hotel. Many weapons located on a window looking down.

[cobalt sequoia]

Yes but it’s not the same when they have hostages and 50000 goons

[barren cape]

That’s cause otherwise the level design wouldn’t work. They can’t make it 1:1

[cobalt sequoia]

I’m gonna hit you

[bright valley]

Like, Neon Tomb is a shooting at a nightclub so it was probably informed by similar attacks in real life, but it's not a recreation of a real location.

[inland wolf]

terrorist attack

[cobalt sequoia]

Pulse

I still don’t know how Ron has gotten away with these maps

[barren cape]

Piles of body’s on the dancefloor. And the attackers are ISIS. That exactly the Boston nightclub shooting but multiple shooters

[cobalt sequoia]

The attackers are NOT Isis

[inland wolf]

qadamah

[cobalt sequoia]

Not every shia terrorist or just terrorist is Isis

[barren cape]

I meant Islamic terrorists

So it’s another similarity

I stand by my word. That one is 100% inspired by that shooting irl

[cobalt sequoia]

No shit

[barren cape]

And the mission with the cult of the woman is inspired by my cult I formed while I was on holiday

[bright valley]

I'm not at all denying the inspiration, just emphasizing that it isn't a recreation of the event.

[cobalt sequoia]

💀

[bright valley]

"cult of the woman" lmao, band name

[cobalt sequoia]

Waco map when

[bright valley]

You'll have to play R6 Siege's "Oregon" for that one :P

[cobalt sequoia]

Yeah

It’s called siege for a reason

[calm magnet]

Waco was a shit show for dozens of armed feds. Seems like a perfect fit for Void's 5 man stack.

[tough spire]

Oregonian here. That map is silly. Like they never visited Oregon.

[cobalt sequoia]

Yup 👍

I could solo it with a five seven trust

[bright valley]

IDK why it's even called that. Waco was in Texas.

[cobalt sequoia]

Tom Clancy

[tough spire]

Not even Tom Clancy.

Just abusing his name.

[cobalt sequoia]

???

[rapid canopy]

What about tom clancy

[cobalt sequoia]

Bro spawned in when Tom Clancy was mentioned

[slender adder]

power word

[rapid canopy]

I require splinter cell

[tough spire]

It's too bad that series ended at Chaos Theory.

[rapid canopy]

Blacklist is underrated as fuck

[tough spire]

Actually I agree. I enjoyed Blacklist.

[slender adder]

yeah blacklist was fun

the soundtrack was also great

[tough spire]

It was a giant kick in the face to the rest of the series, but it was fun regardless.

[rapid canopy]

Story is alr, but gameplay is good, you can actually complete mission in ghost like splinter cell

[cobalt sequoia]

Cover shooter

[rapid canopy]

Sucks that you can't hide in the shadows in blacklist though

[gilded mural]

what is blacklistg

[rapid canopy]

Splinter cell game

[gilded mural]

oh splinter cell blacklist

[tough spire]

But since this is RoN discussion.... Blacklisting is what I do every time someone says "John Wick AI"

[cobalt sequoia]

Why

[earnest python]

never played blacklist, but conviction was alright for what it was

[rapid canopy]

It's alright

[earnest python]

chaos theory is prolly my favorite

[rapid canopy]

Good thing is you can holster your guns

[earnest python]

i really really wanted to like double agent but man

[rapid canopy]

Bad thing is non lethal doesn't exist

Oh also the moment where sam goes apeshit and you killed everyone with a shotgun was pretty cool

[viscid bane]

You will receive none of it unless you play ghost recon lol

[rapid canopy]

Sam Fisher was alr in Wildlands ig

[tight frigate]

john wick ai

[earnest python]

i need GRAW2 on steam pls

[tough spire]

I already knew you were a casual with the name, you're fine.

[rapid canopy]

Mission was pretty ass, like you'd expect it to be stealth but it is a defend npc mission

[tough spire]

Well now I need to mod in the FN2K and some LTL under barrel 40mikes and build a Sam Fisher kit

A thermal mod would be neat too

[stone bay]

Man I enjoyed the shit out of that game

Ghosting all missions on Perfectionist difficulty defo took some years off of my life

[rapid canopy]

Yeah

Best splinter cell game after chaos theory

[cobalt sequoia]

Habba the jutt

[stone bay]

Anyone else had issues with ADS binds and the abilty to reset key binds?
If so any fixes?

[tough spire]

Those were so bad, why. Just play the OGs.

[stone bay]

There used to be a pinned post in the Steam Community boards for RoN about how to properly fiddle with the graphics settings. It’s gone now, does anyone have a screenshot?

[stone bay]

[bright valley]

Man, double breaches are really not a good time for the SWAT to bug out and decide they don't want to go through with your orders.

[earnest python]

hard disagree

[stone bay]

Found a fix
Good bye everyone 😄

[rapid canopy]

Its so annoying having to run back an forth sometimes on double breaches

[bright valley]

Two officers taking on a complex room while the rest of the team is going hehe door

And while I'm on a rant, dammit where's opening doors while stacked on them. That's a useful action and it's literally grayed out. Used to be able to do a hammer-and-anvil thing where one element was queued to open a door they were split on while the other team was queued to open, gas, and clear the room from another door.

[stone bay]

I’m surprised they still haven’t implemented the commanding with the Team Cam view like SWAT 4 had

[kindred crag]

I completed it

the funny pic in ron media

[iron star]

Game is a downgrade in every sense but graphics from swat 4

[proven coyote]

You cant order your team mates to check the corners with the optiwand like in SWAT 4

[rapid canopy]

Idk why I remembered it having it

But yeah, team cam is so useful in swat 4

Also I don't know why the ai swat doesn't wait for the gas to start taking effect

They just go in so they get shot by the suspects

[stone bay]

[stone bay]

Bro when you order them to move and clear or open and clear with a throwable and they go in immediately before the stun goes in the room

[bold sky]

hes technically not wrong but i would argue gunplay is significantly better

[rapid canopy]

Swat 4 with first responders mod is ready or not with good ai

[bold sky]

swat 4 was just more casual and its better tbh

[stone bay]

The dude hasn’t pulled the pin yet and you hear “MOVING IN”

[rapid canopy]

Idk if more casual

[bold sky]

its way more casual you can play swat 4 perfectly fine without learning the game mechanics

this game if you are running a shit setup you gonna struggle

[bright valley]

Probably the biggest issue I see with the SWAT's room clearing (when it's working as intended) is that Alpha likes to peek the door while waiting for the grenade to go off, when the entire point of using the grenade is that you don't have to gamble on peeking.

[rapid canopy]

You cannot play swat 4 without knowing the mechanics wdym

[bold sky]

suspects in swat 4 even with the more popular sef shoots spaghetti at you

there are only a few maps where they actually pose a real threat

almost every hit in the game stagger them

[rapid canopy]

I mean that's realistic

[bold sky]

so much that even jhp pistol can do well against heavily armored suspects

[rapid canopy]

Non lethal is more fun in swat 4 I'll give it that

[rapid canopy]

Room clearing worked perfectly fine for me

[iron star]

Depends on map heavily, the STARTER maps sure, you may fail to comply with strict RoE but that's it
Ron really needs to understand STARTER MAPS

[rapid canopy]

I use like 1 grenade per mission cause the ai is capable of clearing the room by themselves

I mean I also do that in Ron but I feel like it's better in swat 4

[bright valley]

I was talking about Ready or Not.

[rapid canopy]

Ohh

[bright valley]

"the SWAT's room clearing" not "SWAT's room clearing"

[rapid canopy]

My bad

[iron star]

In RoN we are playing glorified door kickers.
You let your ai deal with most room and only really walk in yourself if there's complex geometry.
In Swat 4 you are often second or first to order your ai to go from their points of domination to hallways.

[bright valley]

Yeah nah, understandable misinterpretation.

[iron star]

Even door kickers armed career criminal suspects have 0.800ms of reaction time, your units have anything between 0.400-0.600ms depending on training
Here we barely got 0.500 for suspects and 0.100 to switch target

[bright valley]

Gameplay design where you're controlling this many partially autonomous units from a first person perspective seems like a pain in the ass.

[stone bay]

That’s why I wish they’ll implement the feature wherein you can command teams from the Team Cam view

[bright valley]

Hard to see the line between "I made the right decision and the SWAT AI inexplicably fucked up" and "I made the wrong decision and the SWAT AI understandably fucked up" many times.

[rapid canopy]

I kinda wish the officers had more personality like the swat 4 ones

But that's kinda hard since there are way more

Also they all have clones of each other

[stone bay]

I only feel that in Practice Mode. In Commander Mode sure they do talk as well, but you get more of a “We’re just working together, lock in” vibe and not a camaraderie

[rapid canopy]

Yeah

[bright valley]

I can't be like, okay we're going into this weird fucking room so I need Alpha to focus over here and Bravo to run this wall and etc., so if like you stack them wisely on the only door into a room, then tell them to open, bang, and clear the room and like 3 officers die in the process you're like wtf was I supposed to do differently

[rapid canopy]

Also in swat 4 they sometimes comment about the environment, idk if they do that in ron

[rapid canopy]

Sometimes it depends on the luck which sucks

[bright valley]

They do, I think it's happening less frequently than intended though.

[stone bay]

Open thresholds scare me. Cause I know when I tell them to move in with a throwable, they have the tendency to go in ahead before the pin is pulled

[rapid canopy]

Gas grenades are useless in career mode

[calm magnet]

I always just close the door lol.

[rapid canopy]

Unless you order them to go after leader

[stone bay]

Also the AI can’t throw for shit

[stone bay]

Yeah but when you have open thresholds like the big room leading outside the party in Valley of the Dolls, oh man

[rapid canopy]

Is it me or does swat 4 feel more claustrophobic

Like I would be actively trying to keep tabs on all doors and staircase s in a room, ordering one team to cover, I don't get that in ron

[stone bay]

That’s why I let them throw in small rooms, and I’ll handle the throw for bigger rooms or hallways

[rapid canopy]

Most of the time its better not to throw and just order them to go in directly so they react faster

[stone bay]

Doesn’t shoot back

[calm magnet]

I love gas grenades. I think they might be almost OP... they lower morale without raising stress. One of the few tools in the game that does that to my knowledge.

[rapid canopy]

Would be dope if the ai officers knew how they fucking worked

[stone bay]

Imagine how much more stressful it is if our team gets affected by the pepperballs and gas

[calm magnet]

Oh, sure - I have to be the one doing 80% of the throwing. But they last a good 20 seconds, so it's not too bad to stack a door, open, toss the gas, and telling the team to move.

[rapid canopy]

Yeah, I would use it more but I can't carry that many gas grenades

[stone bay]

Me with six 9 bangers from Gunfighter mod

[calm magnet]

This is the biggest reason I run light armor half the time. Those extra 3 grenades make a difference...

[stone bay]

The only danger is it has a very high friendly fire tendency

[stone bay]

Then again, a bad Stinger throw does that as well

[stone bay]

Imagine if Armorer affected Steel plating as well instead of only Ceramic

[crisp ember]

hooly ides of march 2nd try S

though i used no crack AI mod so idk if yall would count it

[bright valley]

Perhaps it could behave differently for each armor type.

[stuck pendant]

hello

[bright valley]

Err well, plate type I guess.

[stuck pendant]

anyone oce?

[crisp ember]

yur

[stuck pendant]

join vc

please i wanna play multiplayer

[crisp ember]

not rn

[stone bay]

That steam post only mentions Ceramic being affected and not Kevlar & Steel sadly. But even then, you still don’t feel it either way cause of fast you’ll die

[stone bay]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3118547658

[bright valley]

Oh, I mean hypothetically since you were saying "imagine if"

[stone bay]

Ahh ye ye

[bright valley]

Like that might be a good way to balance it. Ceramic's durability gets increased, Steel/Kevlar's flat damage reduction gets increased.

Also I think MMMM or someone else had pointed out that Armorer is bugged and literally isn't having any effect at all, not even Ceramic like it's supposed to.

[stone bay]

I defo feel it

Do the suspects' arms/hands have a hitbox when they're in cover and just blind firing? I tried shooting their hand and it doesn't look like they're getting affected

[bold sky]

its tight if you have to work with that small of a hitbox bc some sights are not properly aligned rn

not to mention weird hit reg

[stone bay]

That sucks. Spraying it is

[civic zinc]

Does the hanged man achievement allow the flashbang launcher?

[bold sky]

with the weird hit reg and sights issue spraying does sound like the better solution but you have to figure out the recoil pattern too

g36 is like the only rifle in the game rn w consistent pattern

[stone bay]

this I don't mind, especially for the .300 guns that isn't the LVAR. The LVAR has kind of a kick/pull, but the MCX is nice

[viscid bane]

So is Amos Voll the CEO of PDF files or something

[stone bay]

Yes

[ancient rapids]

bomb:

[bold sky]

its ironic bc all the .300 rifles have very strange recoil pattern rn

they push hard to the left

that and optics being constantly misaligned on .300 platform pushes that recoil further left even

[marsh lark]

There is literally one or two optics misaligned in the whole game wdym

[viscid bane]

Red doot is misaligned on the AK that’s all I know

[bold sky]

the one you see in the bug forum are the ones tested

there are plenty more misaligned known pre 1.0 that were never fixed

[amber hearth]

😱 political agenda in my game 😱

[bold sky]

all 1-4x are misalgined rn

[amber hearth]

😱 biased game 😱

[viscid bane]

Yeah it kills people

[bold sky]

its not performing well in this game

even after the pen buff its still not good

[slender adder]

5.7 and 4.8 are just too good

[unreal wraith]

I think this game needs a coarse language warning for the swearing in it

Like I hear people drop f-bombs during missions a lot and even the player says it.

Maybe someone could make a mod censoring it?

[viscid bane]

We kill people and your issue is with swearing?

[bold sky]

of all the dumb shit that has been requested in this discord that has to be on top of the pile

[boreal fossil]

no more cuss words!

[bold sky]

the fact that we have its a pie and george m in the game is not enough now we have to have no swearing lol

[unreal wraith]

U do realise that I was joking right?

[boreal fossil]

so clearly

[bold sky]

i mean you should be proud we all acknowledge how dogshit that idea is

[stone bay]

@rich finch any updates any time soon?

@rich finch

[bold sky]

xd

[stone bay]

@rich finch plz respond

@rich finch

[boreal fossil]

leave him alone!

[stone bay]

I’m asking for an update to the game

@rich finch @rich finch @rich finch

@rich finch

[vital wasp]

bro they already have the next two patches public & they will be hotfixes to problems they get through DATA. to get DATA u need time....im guess the next patch wont come 4 days after the last one lmao

[bold sky]

i like how dev is literally just a random guy lol

[stone bay]

Bro why do people keep tagging Dev who tf lmao

[lucid elk]

Carry on, no need for further comments.

[silk sail]

Dev is like who tf are these people?

[viscid bane]

If crime is so high why don’t they just lower it

[vital ferry]

AI FIX WHEN????

[pearl shuttle]

soon™

[winter orbit]

Get good?

[nova laurel]

oof personally i wouldn’t take that

[fresh oxide]

@lucid elk update when???? when update??? update????

[lucid elk]

AI FIX WHEN

[fresh oxide]

WHEN UPDATE????

[lucid elk]

DEAD GAME

[fresh oxide]

FedEx game

fucking dumbass phone. why

*ded game

[deep crow]

I have a question is G36C or R16 better

I just stated the game so kind of need help

[bold sky]

wtf is r16 but g36 is arguably the strongest rifle in the game rn

[prime wing]

Skill issue

[fresh oxide]

🪨

[brittle swan]

sins of the father attempt 38564

[civic zinc]

shame it looks fuck ugly without the carry handle

[analog forge]

[stone bay]

No sa-58 is

[civic zinc]

also that

most suspects are dead in 2 shots

[bold sky]

if you say fal is the best rn you clearly havent read any stat sheet

incoming misinformation

[stone bay]

7.62

[civic zinc]

i dont give a fuck about stat sheets in a game like this

fal feels good and hits hard

[prime wing]

🦅

[stone bay]

Wtf you aren't playing meta? You don't play to have fun do you?

[civic zinc]

if i was playing meta i'd use the m249 buried in the game files that has the recoil of an mp5

[stone bay]

There's a what

[bold sky]

im gonna say this gun is the best without any facts and anyone who oppose to me is cringe ez

[civic zinc]

or the g3 which has 30 rounds of 7.62 and the recoil of a 5.56 rifle

[civic zinc]

sniper or not mod

[vital wasp]

SILENCE DORKKKKKKKKKKKK

[stone bay]

Link the spreadsheet anyway I wanna see

[civic zinc]

it doesnt technically add any guns
it just lets you use most of the guns that suspects have

[stone bay]

Bro there is a g3 mod?!

[civic zinc]

i already said

[stone bay]

Hello????

Me and my GA-416 against the world 🗿

[bold sky]

aethestics for life

[stone bay]

||ME TOO BRO||

[civic zinc]

sniper or not, it has been remade for 1.0 so some weapons like the tec 9 aren't available, but most guns you would want to use are there

[civic zinc]

based as fuck

[stone bay]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d89lpFDA9lo_v13iBlnhtuA6DvuUnKfPaeo0d4RBGJ4/edit#gid=1878248973

[civic zinc]

g36 with the carry handle mod is my personal favourite of the 76 thousand 5.56mm carbines

[bold sky]

could have just let that man enjoy his fantasy of 762 ngl

its better to enjoy that than care about stat now that i think about it

[civic zinc]

i mean

[bold sky]

if people ask me for a best gun ill try to give them a factually correct opinion

that doesnt mean i will run that gun for the rest of my life

[stone bay]

100% cause my sidearm is the Beretta