#game-suggestions

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solar bison
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Make it so this guy doesn't check you for badges every time you walk through here (it's not like it's awful having to do that, but changing it would make the game more polished)

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inner ridge
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I suggest re-realising all the icons as it's own seperate pack, so we don't have to go to each pack trying to find the icons. Unless it's already been done than ignore this.

cinder osprey
keen crest
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Add Missingno to the game.

plush pivot
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That would be really cool, but I think Porygon-Z has the glitch sprites covered

urban tendon
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Perhaps you should fix it so that if you set your movement controls to WASD, that you can still use those letters when nicknaming pokemon. As is it just moves the text line. As my laptop has small buttons for up, down, left, and right, that would be really helpful.

keen crest
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whoa, you changed the controls?

solar bison
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I don’t think that’s something that’s built in as an option in the game

clever rapids
solar bison
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No

tranquil ore
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@cedar atlas why on earth should we ban chippy

teal chasm
solar bison
clever rapids
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Bill too :c

solar bison
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And Bruno

rough gull
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guys I'm terrible at making sprites, but I'll gladly replace the missing ones if someone is willing to make them

teal chasm
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Were Elite 4 members not in the PWT? 😮

rough gull
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nope

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only the champions

solar bison
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I could try helping, so I guess I'll make a list of trainers that need overworld sprites in #sprite-charts

rough gull
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That would be great! 😁

keen crest
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@rough gull gimme a list of items which are broken, and what gen style you use.

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Also a suggestion; Making an excel list or other list for Schromms to see move/ability related bugs/exceptions
Would make sorting them out a lot easier I gather.

cinder osprey
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a ball warehouse like they have in later gens where I can buy all the balls in one place

cinder osprey
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give premier balls for buying 10 of any kind of ball

static rampart
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Be able to randomize stores in randomizer settings

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if not like essentials but like the second guy aswell at the department store in celadon

cedar atlas
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Would it be possible and a more fluent option to make a ROMHack version of Infinite Fusion?

solar bison
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That’s impossible

cedar atlas
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hnnn, why would that be, if you don't mind me learning a bit about it

teal chasm
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There's over 150000 Pokémon, no ROM could store that much data. GBA is absolutely out of the question and DS hacking isn't advanced enough yet to add Pokémon, and even then I doubt it'd handle that many. 😦

cedar atlas
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I'm looking at the total size of everything in 4.8.2 full, and it only translates to about 1.5GB. While yes for a standard GBA style emulator it's way too much, I have a belief that ds and up emulators wouldn't have TOO much of a problem. Of course, with any emulator, performance depends almost entirely on what specific hardwares you have. Perhaps this is something to look into. If you're worried about space, one option to trim would be pokedex entries,

solar bison
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Not only would it be extremely difficult and time consuming to remake this game as a rom hack, but there’s literally no reason to because you can already play it on the computer just fine

cedar atlas
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....despite the many many many bugs being encountered by everyone in the latest release?

solar bison
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Bugs can be fixed

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Really, there is no reason to remake from scratch an entire game

cedar atlas
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Which is why it's placed in suggestions. It would be cool to see the end result, especially with more modern functions being the standard. Now it also matters when choosing a newer game to do so, which is another factor. The more recent tha games, the higher the quality of the sprites.

clever rapids
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Well, the reason would be to get away from RPG Maker's limitations and be able to add every Pokemon, and possibly also upgrade to a newer gen mechanics. But I agree, ROMs are not the solution for that.

solar bison
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You would not be able to add every Pokémon at all

rough gull
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Fun fact: I initially wanted this game to be a romhack. But even using a bunch of tricks the absolute max number of pokemon you could have in the gba games is 1024

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Or at least it was 5 years ago

cedar atlas
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It might be a nice little thing to work on the side

rough gull
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?

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I just said it can't be done

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there's not enough memory available in roms

solar bison
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We have many more Pokémon now anyways

cedar atlas
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Well yeah in a gba format

solar bison
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How are you ignoring the slow mode, Odelton?

rough gull
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nds barely has any romhacking tools so it's either gba or game boy.

cedar atlas
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I'm not?

solar bison
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Oh, is it not 5 minutes anymore? Or 2 or whatever, I just remember it wasn’t 1 minute

rough gull
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and I doubt nds roms would have enough memory anyway

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yeah I reduced it a few days ago

gusty onyx
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DS/DSi: 8–512 MB 3DS/New 3DS: 128 MB–8 GB Nintendo Switch: 1–32 GB (i have no idea about game development, just wanted to provide information)

cedar atlas
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Well I don't make games, I was purely curious as to why it hadn't been done yet. So, I did learn a lot at least

solar bison
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I can say an emulator runs a lot slower on my gaming laptop compared to this fan game

rough gull
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That's pretty surprising tbh

cedar atlas
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Emulators really are dependent on hardware and settings knowledge...playing with them is an absolute must and the settings will vary from person to person, so...that's another con to it.

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but I really do hope a good portion of these bugs can be consolidated soon...I really want to stream 4.8.2 on twitch more often

solar bison
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4.8.3 is the latest version

cedar atlas
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well yeah, but I have that patch installed already. And still, the bugs are pretty heavy.

keen crest
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4.8.4 is something to look forward to

echo swallow
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Dont forget about 4.8.5 👀

clever rapids
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How about a setting to turn all possible trainer battles (2 or more Pokemon) into double battles?

solar bison
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Frogman is already considering removing all double battles because of how much they lag the game, so I doubt that will be considered

solar bison
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Fix the rock smash crash before anything else, that's the most annoying one

molten cargo
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fix catching pokemon creating errors and/or crashing game too

keen crest
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Can't some-one work on a level up set generator?

solar bison
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What does that mean?

cobalt moth
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if you mean the moves that a fusion learns, it's just the bw2 movesets of the component pokemon (excluding gen 5+ pokemon, idk what movesets they use)

solar bison
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It’s BW, not B2W2; I’ve checked what levels I’ve learned certain moves and it was accurate to the first games, not the sequels

solar bison
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Fix all the unfused sprites that use the stupid self fusion color palettes

solar bison
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Make wild encounters impossible on fast moving water tiles

cinder osprey
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have a min bst that increases for the later levels at least. She'd say 840 BST max and then I'll get like a mareep/squirtle and there are so many low bst mons that I never wind up playing against strong ones

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molten cargo
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have repel keep semistatic mons from homing in on you

keen crest
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Swap Ferroseed/Ferrothorn's Types to Steel/Grass - Since Ferroseed head looks too much steel to become grass

cedar atlas
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A suggestion. have newer sprites replace older ones for the base custombattlers folder , i think that would be a great thing to do as older .. "bad (subjective usually. sometimes objectively)" sprites do get remade quite often

solar bison
cedar atlas
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^ example of an older "bad" sprite which was remade plenty of times and none got included

teal chasm
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I agree, I also think in some cases it's nice to have coherent lines. Like I think my Pidgey / Psyduck lines are all the default ones except one of the forms (probably Pidgeot / Golduck), so it'd be nice to have that cohesion there. 🙂

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Similarly, if my Shroomish / Ralts was the first one submitted I like Isaac's way more and it fits more with the evolution line. 😄

echo swallow
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How would you choose which sprite is "better"?, voting?, or will Chippy just choose?

teal chasm
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In some cases it's pretty obvious, other ones with loads of variants (especially things like base form Kanto starter / Pikachu) would be trickier. 😦

echo swallow
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Yeah. :/

solar bison
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I think only ones that are objectively questionable designs like that Beedrill should be replaced, as well as allowing spriters to replace their old sprites in the game with new versions they've made

gusty onyx
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I think all sprites should be updated or none if there is a new version of a sprite aviable. It might help to inform the player that Spritepacks with alternate versions for fusion exists, so everybody knows that they can exchange sprites, if they dont like them.

cedar atlas
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or just newer ones replace old ones

slender oriole
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you could maybe do a channel that has a daily vote on which of the sprites to keep for dupes, I guess, and put the one with the most votes in as the default

cedar atlas
solar bison
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Half pixels and jpeg artifacts and whatnot

molten cargo
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add stats to triple fusions on the wiki

brazen swan
solar bison
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Nope, the colors are still messed up

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Specifically look at the right arm and hand

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And the yellow zigzag

cedar atlas
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And the bottom using a highlight as outline

cinder osprey
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increase the size of the item storage in PC

solar bison
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You use that?

cinder osprey
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i just went to unclutter my inventory since I'm not going to use 40 gems and plates and it filled up when I was like halfway done

solar bison
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...you can sell them

cinder osprey
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but what if I want them later for an unburden build or arceus?

solar bison
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...you can buy them

cinder osprey
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so which is more efficient? selling and then buying things and having to navigate to whichever seller sells each thing and having to search every city one by one for the gems specifically or just throw them all in the PC so I can worry about it later?

solar bison
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Why would you even put them in the PC? you have infinite bag space!

cinder osprey
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but I don't have infinite scroll speed. The more things you have in your bag, the longer it takes you to find things.

solar bison
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Page up and page down

cinder osprey
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its till way less efficient. You can choose to not make use of the item part of the PC, but it exists to fill this purpose and it would be a very easy change to make it fulfill this purpose better

cinder osprey
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Heat Wave move tutor. Zapdos has such a shit movepool without it and I'm sure lots of other pokemon are in the same boat

tranquil ore
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New emote yes, very good emote yes

Credits to @cedar atlas for the amazing Sprite ofc

solar bison
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Shroomish no Shroomish

celest patio
celest patio
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condense the pinned resources in spritework into one pinned comment. Here's an example.

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solar bison
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That takes up the same amount of space, if not more

celest patio
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It takes up way less than having several dozen pins with the images taking space, and makes it easier to find things

celest patio
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Like look how condensed this is compared to the mess the pins are rn

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teal chasm
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Frankly I think that's a lot better than what we've got now. 🙂

celest patio
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here's another thing that might be helpful, just containing some general information, either to the faq room or pinned in spritework as well

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mellow bolt
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I think we had an idea for that a while ago. We were going to make a channel specifically for it, called sprite-guides or something, but we never got around to it.

teal chasm
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And it stayed hidden for a while as a reminder of our mistakes. 😢

mellow bolt
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There was no channel. We never made it.
Silence, Blaquaza.

teal chasm
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What channel? I wasn't talking about a channel. 😅

celest patio
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A resources/guides room would be neat too. I just think all the links and guidelines could be a little more organized, since rn the pins are a bit of a mess (and some seem outdated/no longer relevant) and things mostly seem to end up either being asked, or people making the mistake and getting corrected

solar bison
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That's just because no one ever reads pins

celest patio
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People might read them more if they weren't a cluttered mess and required to scroll a bunch to find one specific instance lmfao

solar bison
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That has nothing to do with people just not checking them at all

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And you would have to scroll the same amount with one giant pinned comment

celest patio
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not really, I showed how condensed having everything in one comment and non-previewed links is compared to the shitfest there is now, but ight. Also at bare minimum, it at least makes it easier for people to find things. I don't see why you're fighting it so much lmfao it'd be such a simple and qol change.

teal chasm
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I agree with Howls honestly. 🙂

cinder osprey
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let me buy ethers early in the game

solar bison
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Why only you? What about everyone else?

gusty onyx
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I will take the game without it, i am allergic to ethers

solar bison
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Switch where Ho-oh/Lugia and Reshiram/Zekrom are encountered, it makes more sense for the Johto legendaries to be encountered in the Johto region

eternal rivet
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if posible change the ability plus in some way if double battles dont come back

minor vale
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A bunch of moves like helping hand are also worthless without double battles

eternal rivet
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true

zealous hamlet
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rotation battles please

rough gull
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Reminder not to use this channel for general discussion, please. Otherwise the actual suggestions don't get seen. Thank you 🙂

stable kettle
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You could give it an everstone or just hit the cancel button?
@solar bison Why should I have to constantly look up when what Pokémon evolves for wanting a regular Pokémon experience?

solar bison
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What does that have to do with everstones or pressing cancel? You don’t need to know what level a Pokémon evolves at to do these things

clever rapids
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Because you need to know when to remove the Everstone or when to stop cancelling to evolve at the "correct" level. But even then, you could still be forced to trigger an early evolution of the other half of the fusion

solar bison
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The only downside to evolving early is lower leveling rate and missing out on some moves, which is true when you evolve at the normal level and lose out on moves if you evolve later too

clever rapids
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This isn't about downsides or upsides. This is about staying closer to the original game experience. There's many ROM hacks I decided not to play specifically because they added a Dark type to Luxray or they changed the base stats of some Pokemon. Here, we play this game because we like the idea of playing with fusions, but we don't necessarily want other changes to come along with it.

ocean tendon
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Eviolite should work double if the fusion its used on are two not fully evolved mons

echo swallow
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25% for fusion that only have one not fully evolved, and 50% for the ones who have two not fully evolved mons maybe?

cedar atlas
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yes

ocean tendon
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yeah

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thats way more refined than what i suggested lol

solar bison
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I’d prefer it just stay the same

cedar atlas
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so you would prefer to always have the weaker version of eviolite

solar bison
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It boosts by 50% normally though?

plush pivot
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so you would prefer to always have the weaker version of eviolite
The fact that eviolite fusions are still some of the best mons in showdown shows that a weaker eviolite is good enough I'd say

cedar atlas
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it does not boost by 50% normally in IF, it boosts by 25% cuz alot of fusions that can use Eviolite are quite powerful

teal chasm
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If this is true, should the Showdown server weaken Eviolite if it hasn't been weakened already? 😮

echo swallow
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25% for fusion that only have one not fully evolved, and 50% for the ones who have two not fully evolved mons maybe?
This is the system for the Showdown server.

frail copper
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Give a use to self fusions.

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Because for now the only reason of self-fusing a pokemon is to get its custom sprite if it has one allthethings

solar bison
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We’ve had this suggestion so often I’m surprised Frogman hasn’t made any statement on it

cedar atlas
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i mean what can you do with self fusions rly

teal chasm
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It'd be nice to give them a stat boost or something to reflect the fact they're usually designed like Megas. Even if it's only measly like 10%. 🙂

ocean tendon
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They need something

eternal rivet
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double up on typings?

teal chasm
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I don't think that'd work because it'd lead to four-typed Pokémon. 😦

plush pivot
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Could be fun to give every self fusion a unique move that it usually doesn't learn but that fits it very well. Something like Spore for Venusaur/Venusaur for example.

That would also be a lot of work tho, since you would have to go through every single mon and find out a good move

celest patio
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I think a stat boost would be the easiest route, but nothing too crazy. Maybe 20% at best?

eternal rivet
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no like grass/grass so it doubles reisitance and weakness

rough gull
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^I kinda like this tbh but it wouldn't really work for dual typed pokemon

eternal rivet
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would it be possible to just do first type?

celest patio
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I'm honestly not the biggest fan of that idea personally. Doubling the weaknesses seems like a bad tradeoff for doubling resistances.

eternal rivet
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just switch out then

solar bison
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Just don't use self fusions

minor vale
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you could honestly just remove self fusions and save 420 pokemon worth of space and not lose much of value. Self fusion sprites could still be used as alts

solar bison
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I feel that would cause problems because you can still fuse evolutions from the same family, including branched evolutions

inner ridge
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It would be a bigger problem since now you have to essentially give the whole pokedex a complete overhaul

cinder osprey
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you could always change the fusion formula to like (18*head+9*body)/25 and that way buff all fusions by 8%

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its already weird that triple fusion has a huge boost in stats and double fusion has no boost in stats at all (with exceptions of course)

errant lichen
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you could honestly just remove self fusions and save 420 pokemon worth of space and not lose much of value. Self fusion sprites could still be used as alts
@minor vale Wouldn't that only equate to being able to add one more Pokémon 👀

mossy moon
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You could add Hat Pikachu with that space

cedar atlas
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Stat boost used to be a thing a long time ago, when calculating a fusion's stats there was a 25% bonus to each half's highest stat (in case of mons that had multiple equal highest stats Mew for example the stat boost applied to all of them)

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This boost applied to Self fusions too

minor vale
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@minor vale Wouldn't that only equate to being able to add one more Pokémon 👀
@errant lichen Or not adding anything but cutting down on memory errors a bit

clever rapids
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What you could do is "expand" the strong and weak stats, AKA you calculate the difference between the stat and the average, and multiply that difference by a certain percentage, then rounded up. For exemple, a Blissey with stat-expension of 10% would end up with

HP: 271 (255 + 1650.1)
Attack: 2 (10 - 800.1)
Defense: 2 (10 - 800.1)
Sp.Atk: 74 (75 - 150.1)
Sp.Def: 140 (135 + 450.1)
Speed: 52 (55 - 350.1)

You could also add a global increase according to the total changed. In Blissey's case, the total changed is 16+8+8+1+5+3 =41, but Mew would just get back the same stats. For example, you calculate the changes in comparison to the average (41/90 = 45.6%), and from 5%, decrease by 1% for every 10% achieved, rounded to the nearest 10%. 45.6% would thus be rounded to 50% and completely lose the bonus, but Mew wouldn't get any penalty and get the full 5% global increase.

teal chasm
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I'm not sure if it's because of severe fatigue but I'm not sure I understand that. 😅

clever rapids
slender oriole
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simpler way to do that would be to give a self-fusion its own stats but x levels higher

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so a Pokemon of level 5 would have the stats of that same mon with the same nature and IVs and EVs but x levels higher

plush pivot
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For every single stat? That would be way too much

slender oriole
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depends on the x you pick

solar bison
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Too much talking in here

inner ridge
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Suggestion: To give you the choice of selecting your own starter like classic but for randomizer as well

eternal rivet
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what do you mean? you can do that already

inner ridge
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Really? Can you actually select your own starter in randomized mode as well as the classic mode version?

clever rapids
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If you mean selecting between the 3 choices as per usual, well yes. If you mean being able to choose from every single Pokemon, no.

inner ridge
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Being able to choose from every single pokemon like the classical does when it gives you the choice of picking custom as a starter

eternal rivet
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thats a thing?

keen crest
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A separate channel with filename errors, so Chippy has a list to efficiently go through

brazen swan
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filename errors are rare enough (now that I've fixed most of them) that they don't need a dedicated channel

keen crest
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alright, just looking out for ya

zealous hamlet
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Update pokemon movesets to gen 7 please. If it's too tedious, get others to help. Adding in moves is not necessary, but would be appreciated.

plush pivot
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Why?

zealous hamlet
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Generally pokemon have bigger movepools in gen 7, even w/o new moves. In addition, it would make it much easier to know what moves each pokemon has and how to get them. For instance, my ralts learned disarming voice but not magical leaf before it evolved. It is the gen 5 moveset or the gen 6/7 one? It's neither. So now I don't know what moves it will learn and when.

clever rapids
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Well, if we update to gen 7 learnsets, but do not add gen 6-7 moves, we risk having Pokemon with large gaps in their levelup learnsets.

For that reason, I don't really agree with having gen 7 learnsets if we're missing gen 6-7 moves. But if they're coded, I'd love to have gen 7 learnsets, since it feels a lot more complete for certain Pokemon like Dodrio

solar bison
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But it also changes a lot of moves, like leech life becoming a good move

cobalt moth
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you don't have to change the base power of moves

zealous hamlet
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This has been brought up before and Frogman has never outright said no. We'll just have to see.

teal chasm
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I think it would be nice; we already have the Fairy-type and Mimikyu, plus the move variety would be cool. 😄

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Also add Scorching Sands.

frail copper
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If you considered the idea to make self fusions useful, I also suggest to make every self fusions possible, even with unique Pokemons. ||I don't want my Jirachi/Jirachi sprite being useless haha||

solar bison
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Self fusions between any Pokémon are already possible

frail copper
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Really ? Any of them ? half_pixels

frail copper
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Ok, here's a better suggestion : You should add a #duel-general channel so we won't have to talk about the non contest-related duel things in #event-general

mellow bolt
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We'll see if they stay around long enough for that to be needed.

gloomy jetty
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ye, as u cant remove channels once added 🤔

mellow bolt
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No we literally cannot add them either.

frail copper
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Just delete the server and create a new one without the channel you wanted to get rid off thisclown

teal chasm
halcyon panther
flint storm
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you should remake the map to look a bit better and less old

rough gull
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What do you mean?

echo swallow
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Fixing small overworld bugs i assume

clever rapids
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In general, the maps look pretty good IMO, but there are some places where you can see the map cut off in the distance. These definitely should be filled with trees or mountains or something. That said, it's best to report these in overworld-bug-reports individually for each case

ionic parcel
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This is maybe too much but I wish the maps were "fusions" of regions

twilit nacelle
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That would be… interesting.

mossy moon
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My favourite, Johtoenn

teal chasm
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It won't happen but it would be cool. 🙂

frail copper
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Use it when you see something you wouldn't want to see

keen crest
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what even is that

teal chasm
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Machoke/Psyduck I'd imagine. 😄

mellow bolt
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Stop trying to make every sprite an emote. 👀

tranquil ore
mellow bolt
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You will never have it. 👀

frail copper
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But it... it must be an actual emote !

granite canyon
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The disgust emote basically serves the same purpose and more

frail copper
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disgust wouldn't suit for a spoiler

granite canyon
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Sure it could, you can find a spoiler repulsive. I suppose this isn't the place for this discussion, however.

frail copper
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If I told you the end of your favorite videogame, you wouldn't react with disgust , would ya ?

cinder osprey
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remove magnet stone and make magneton evolve using thunderstone like the new games do

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rough gull
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I didn't know they changed it in the official games. Makes sense honestly

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But no, you can get a thunderstone before you even get magnemite so it wouldn't work

solar bison
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Make magnet stones buyable at Celadon Mall (pretty sure they aren't right now)

eternal rivet
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make gender stones buyable

cinder osprey
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frogman has good game design sense and it makes me happy

scenic parcel
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What are gender stones?

brazen swan
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changes a pokémon's gender

eternal rivet
solar bison
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If possible, make it so in randomized mode the game only requires you to have caught the randomized version of the legendary to access other areas, because otherwise some areas may be forever inaccessible

zealous hamlet
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Make the devolution spray work again. It's worse than one of those berries that does nothing if you get it in a randomizer. Devolution spray has some use if you catch an Arcanine or something and are too lazy to breed it and fuse it to get the good level-up moves from Growlithe.

eternal rivet
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you think the spray is bad, i find unknown items!

zealous hamlet
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oh yeah best to remove those, Frogman

wary gyro
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Is it possible to modify the fusion's cry so it has the same pitch as the body's? That could be pretty neat if it doesn't end up being obnoxious

solar bison
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Or just play both Pokémon’s cries

teal chasm
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Nah that'd be a headache. 😦

Something I'd like to see (although it's unlikely) is more non-Kanto Pokémon being available earlier in default playthroughs. I think that would spice things up, vanilla Kanto is hideously boring. 😢

ocean tendon
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^

brazen swan
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Unrelated: wild mushrooms could have like a 1% chance of being a Shroomish

clever rapids
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If you make fusion voices, playing both sounds together would just sound like chaotic noise, yeah. The best you could do is probably have the head's cry, but increase or lower the pitch, as well and make it last for less or more time, to match the body's cry. So a jynx body would last a long time and have a high pitch. I assume that would be complicated to do, though.

cinder osprey
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shouldn't be that bad. It'd be far simpler than auto generating sprites and probably a lot of other things that go into fusion

solar bison
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Make it so if you unlock debug mode, you can restart the game with debug mode unlocked

rough gull
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That's already the case though

solar bison
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It didn't work for me

rough gull
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How did you unlock debug?

solar bison
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Actually I think it might be because Kazi gave me a file they must have hacked it into

rough gull
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Yep

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You get the magic boots in your bag when you start a new game of you unlocked debug the legit way

cinder osprey
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randomize gift pokemon in addition to static pokemon when randomize static pokemon is selected. You could also just make them seperate options

cobalt moth
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make it so that when we skip the intro, we automatically have a potion in our bag to compensate for not being able to withdraw the potion from the pc

solar bison
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You can still access the PC if you skip the intro

cobalt moth
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but not before the rival fight

solar bison
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Losing the first rival fight isn't really a big deal anyways

ionic cipher
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Make Ice Type fusions more worthwhile by making it resist Water and Ground

keen crest
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Only water would make it buffed as is.

ionic cipher
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I'm just saying, Ice sucks and it needs buffs. Only good Ice Types are fast ones and Froslass

solar bison
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There is no reason to arbitrarily change one type to be better

ionic cipher
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There is if it's Ice Type.
Weak to 5 types and it gets 1 resistance, plus Hail doesn't buff any Defense stat, unlike Sandstorm for Rock Types.

Additionally originally Ice resisted Water for this game, but then it was changed.

Plus most Ice Types are slow, so you wind up with Pokémon that are weak to 7 Types, meaning fusing with any slow Ice Types are meaningless (that or fuse to get rid of the Ice typing)

solar bison
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Im saying why improve one type if you’re not going to improve them all

gloomy jetty
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the suggestion is about balancement, if Ice is actually way worse than any other type, i dont see a reason, to not make it viable
but i dunno how it is ingame

solar bison
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Also ice is weak to 4 types, not 5

drowsy jay
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I can see the "don't chznge it argument" because it's not the game goal

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but yeah, Ice suck

clever rapids
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Ice never resisted Water type

mellow bolt
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Core things about the game shouldn't really be changed, otherwise it runs risk of appealing to less people.

ionic parcel
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There is already too many exceptions in this game...

clever rapids
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Yeah. Many people are only here for the fusion, so if you change other gameplay elements, they won't like it. Especially type matchups, that will frustrate a huge lot of people. Not just those that want to stay close to the original game, other players might get confused on why their moves are resisted on opposing Pokemons

drowsy jay
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Yeah even if I think Ice should be rework, it's not for this game

gloomy jetty
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i dont want to advocate any changes here, but from a balancement perspective, i do see the argument to adjust certain accept of the game, because a different pool of pkmn are available
id argue there are less ice types in IF than the regular games 🤷‍♂️

ionic parcel
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The inherent types whit fusions already frustrate me

solar bison
plush pivot
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I'm not sure why balancing types would be of any importance for this game. It's just a single player game, and you should be fine in it with whatever types you use. Also, the IF Showdown server exists and ice types were perfectly fine in there

gloomy jetty
gloomy jetty
mellow bolt
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But it's not up to Frogman to create that balance. He's balanced the aspects of the game that are within his control, but changing what a type from the core series does isn't something he should do.

clever rapids
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Well, balance is still important in a single player game... But a good part of this game is actually about breaking the balance by creating OP fusions. Some Pokemons are designed to be powerful but with huge weaknesses like Slaking, and we're actually throwing away these weaknesses with fusions

gloomy jetty
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i dont care wheither it would be changed or not, im just standing my ground that balance is important in either case, especially given mechanics of the game, the base on which it builds on should be balanced

keen crest
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The only reason I'm behind ice getting a water resistance is cause I wanna apply it to my own fangame

solar bison
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Stop discussing in this chat

clever rapids
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Where do we discuss suggestions, then?

solar bison
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When it’s just a conversation like this, just go somewhere else, general or something

rough gull
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I just want to chime in and say that I tried rebalancing some of the types etc. in an earlier version and everyone found it too confusing so I'm going to stick with the official type charts

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Also @solar bison it's perfectly fine to discuss suggestions here. It helps me to get more opinions about a specific suggestion. What I don't want here is off-topic chat.

gloomy jetty
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certainly is a desgin philosophy, but ever thought about adding a stat-file which keeps track what ppl use, in order to react to certain trends?
ofc ppl would have to share given file without adding a online necessacity

mossy moon
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Ice isnt really a bad type, it's one of the best offensive ones with being super Effective on prominent types. Its using it as a defensive type where it falls. Think of it the same way you wouldn't run an Offensive steel type in Gen 2

full pasture
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honestly that's more a "there were maybe two steel attaacks in gen 2 and one was iron tail" issue than anything, but i see your point

eternal rivet
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i just wish there are more ice types in the game.

teal chasm
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New Pokémon isn't going to happen (it's already been upped by like 70 this year), I hope new moves from Gens VI, VII and VIII can be added at some point though. 😄

solar bison
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I at least hope that the move sets will be made accurate to gen V because a lot of them aren’t, like Absol’s

eternal rivet
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i want less pokemon

ionic cipher
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@mossy moon And that's my issue, WAY too many Ice Types are slow and bulky, which is what makes them suck. I've said it before, but the only good Ice Types in this game are Weavile and Kyurem

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plus the fusions Excel sheet thing says that Ice resists Water

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and there's 10 whole fully evolved Ice Types in this, how did Froslass not make it, yet Pyukumuku did?

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IMO there should be votes to remove more sucky mon that can't evolve (like Delibird) for more diversity

solar bison
solar bison
solar bison
ionic cipher
solar bison
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That should be fixed then

ionic cipher
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How about a sequel that takes place in Hoenn and Sinnoh

teal chasm
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You do know that you're asking someone to make a completely new game from the ground up, right? 😦

clever rapids
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Well, technically, that could be a nice idea to offer a different pool of Pokemon, and all the gameplay would already be coded, so it wouldn't require as much work (mostly just maps and npcs). That said, it would also mean that all gameplay updates would require to be done on both Kanto and Hoenn versions, increasing the workload. So that's a better idea for when the current Pokemon IF has reached a "final version".

teal chasm
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It'd also mean a whole new Pokédex of fusions to make to include the Sinnoh Pokédex (which includes things not in IF like Glameow, Wurmple and Uxid). Far, far too much work. 😢

ionic cipher
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OK, so instead of a new game, how about a new option where the items get shuffled instead of randomised, so you can't just find berries all over.

most randomised items are berries or plates

cedar atlas
teal chasm
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Long time no see! Always bump into you in spriting communities. And yeah long-term would definitely be more tenable, it's just that with what happened to IF2 it's not the most likely. 😢

cedar atlas
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Grip, my friend, brought me here LOL, I found out how cool this game is and found out that you guys accept custom sprite submissions and I'm like YESS THAT SOUNDS SO FUN, I can make fusions just like the good ol times LOL

Plus people here seem to really like editing / creating Pokemon sprites with an extra creative twist, and I swear I don't see enough of that nowadays cococry

Oh? I suppose I'm not really familiar with the story behind IF2, so I wouldn't know about that lol. Yeah, I can understand where you're coming from though!

drowsy jay
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Small idea taken from Pokemon Insurgence : have x4 damage deal another sounds than simple super effective attack

pseudo sapphire
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what?

solar bison
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He means if the opponent takes 4x super effective damage (such as an ice move hitting a dragon/ground type) it plays a different sound effect

teal chasm
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Which isn't the worst idea, same with 4x Not Very Effective. 🙂

brazen swan
solar bison
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I would prefer that because I dislike randomizing and missing out on items or TMs

eternal rivet
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same

ionic cipher
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me too

solar bison
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Just add a positive reaction if you’ve got nothing to add besides agreement

ionic cipher
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But I'm the one who came up with the idea

solar bison
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Irrelevant to what I said

ionic cipher
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I was agreeing that it's annoying to miss out on TMs

solar bison
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The point is to not just fill this channel with messages saying “I agree”

wispy acorn
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dunno if that's been suggested, but actually put in a switch music mode

teal chasm
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Like the Pokégear in vanilla Essentials? I think that has a function that's similar to what you mean. 🙂

wispy acorn
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so you can actually switch between modern and retro music, also why's there a cooldown between messages?

teal chasm
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Oh, more like the GB Sounds then? I'm not necessarily sure that's possible because some tracks (like Double Trouble in Celadon) don't have GB equivalents. 😅

wispy acorn
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i mainly meant the Gen 1 and Gen 2 towns and routes, basically, i know the modern games don't have retro equivalents, lol

plush pivot
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Would be weird tho if you played with retro music but modern music just kicks in from time to time

teal chasm
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I mean Double Trouble is a MIDI and we could just throw it into GXSCC or whatever it's called to make it 8-bit, but the soundfont would be different. 😦

wispy acorn
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is it really called Double Trouble? cause i cant find anything under that name

teal chasm
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It's Jessie and James' song from the anime based on the motto, and was made into a MIDI for Pokémon Puzzle League, but that's more #spriter-general talk. 🙂

ionic cipher
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Dex suggestion for a possible sequel set in Hoenn and Sinnoh (420 mon like in this game)

📎 Inf_Fusion_2.txt
solar bison
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We're not doing this IF2 thing again

eternal rivet
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what do you mean again?

solar bison
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You're new here, so you wouldn't understand

ionic cipher
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I mean only when this game is done

twilit nacelle
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I'm assuming people have suggested this before?

solar bison
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Just know there were people trying to make a sequel before, but they recently gave up

eternal rivet
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they are quiters

ionic cipher
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It's just a theoretical dex suggestion

They gave up, why?

cedar atlas
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you mean like, a separate team? Also I forgot about the time limit loool

twilit nacelle
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Maybe this conversation should be moved to a channel that's not in slow mode.

ionic cipher
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where's it going?

solar bison
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Nowhere evil

cedar atlas
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hey now, I think we're just trying to understand better, here :P communication is very important especially in relation to the newer folks c;

solar bison
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I was joking, you can go to #spriter-general or something

deep hare
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I think it would be cool if TM randomization had an option to do 1:1 mapping, where the TMs that are randomized get put into a list and randomly redistributed. The current way it's done is randomized in the moment which means you can get duplicates or TMs that aren't normally randomized, and that can be disappointing.

eager furnace
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I'm not sure how people would feel about this idea, but would it be possible to have self-fusions work differently to the standard fusion formula, having unique changes depending on the species? I think that the concept is really cool, but currently the only benefit to doing it is getting a new sprite. Looking back through the channel, I've seen the idea brought up a few times before, but I've also tried to go in-depth with some ideas for how it could possibly work - I think these would make sense as ways of providing alternate slightly stronger variations of Pokémon without making any changes to the non-fused versions.

  • All self-fused Pokémon could gain a +50 boost to their base stats. I think this is substantial enough to make the fusion worthwhile without being unbalanced, as having it be a +100 like a Mega would be likely too OP when you can have multiple per team.
  • Further inspirations for changes could be taken from various sources, and could alter a Pokémon's Type, moveset, or abilities depending on the species. These could include the following:
  • Mega Evolutions: e.g. Charmander's line becomes Fire/Dragon and gains the Abilities Tough Claws (Default)/Drought (Hidden) based on both forms of Mega Charizard.
  • Regional Forms: e.g. Exeggutor becomes Grass/Dragon, gains the Ability Frisk, and a new moveset which takes elements from both Kantonian and Alolan Exeggutor.
  • Other fan hacks: Drayano's hacks are a solid baseline for this e.g. Farfetch'd becomes Fighting/Flying, gains a greater focus on Attack, and learns a range of sword-based moves.
  • The sprite: If there's already a sprite designed, it can be a good source of inspiration for what to add too. For example, Sandslash's current self-fusion sprite by Blaxaroz looks much more agile, so it could maybe have a greater focus on Speed and gain access to moves like Quick Attack. Of course, it could work the other way around too, and designs could always be created around planned changes to each Pokémon.
minor prawn
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Support to triple fusions in the custom Battlers folder (if there isn't yet)

solar bison
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Pretty sure there already is

teal chasm
cobalt moth
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make the grass cover you (the wild encounter grass

keen crest
keen crest
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To add to that. Bring the self-fusion boost back would motivate more people to use self-fusions, and would also motivate people to make custom art for them. A sprite-chart could be made for them as well.

tranquil ore
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I also think that we as a community could come together and come up with all possible extra changes for the self fusion, to take that workload of the shoulders of frogman. (A small group could decide the self fusions that would gain a new ability or typing, and how the stat boosts would be, and the devs could show these to the other members of the discord to see what they think?)

keen crest
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It would be adding new pokemon, without adding new pokemon. ( Shut up Deino )

sacred spearBOT
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Hey @keen crest, please don't request that new Pokémon be added via this channel.

teal chasm
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And then actually implementing those changes shouldn't be TOO hard (I've done loads of pokemon.txt editing for my own fangame). 😄

keen crest
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Sign me up.

eager furnace
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I actually made an Excel template for it yesterday after putting the suggestion up with a basic outline and some ideas for the Kanto starters, if that would help smile I would be interested in being in that DM group if it does become official too!

📎 Pokemon_Infinite_Fusion_Self-Fusions.xlsx
clever rapids
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Extra sprite for every Disguise broken Mimi--- Uuuh I mean, how about a visual cue for when Mimikyu's Disguise is broken, such as darkening the sprite?

brazen swan
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(alternatively, a cue for when its Disguise isn't broken)

charred grotto
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not really a game suggestions but a website or something to help locate pokemon spawns. Also update the website and actually make it a website

plush pivot
drowsy jay
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Maybe have fusion abilities choice depend on the "parent" ability and not who is the head and who is the body to reward hunting/breeding the perfect pokemon possible and reward player taking the time to do so

solar bison
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No
One: breeding is buggy already and often just gives you an egg of a random fusion
Two: the abilities are made that way already for balancing and simplicity

drowsy jay
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I personally see choosing ability from parent being way more simplistic than choosing from abilities your pokemon didn't have. And balance is already thrown out of the window because of the game core idea. It's less a matter of balance but 1/2 chance if something work or not currently since it's automatic done

solar bison
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The parents of a fusion can always only be the fusion and Ditto anyways, so what are you talking about?

drowsy jay
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Okay let me clear it up : i have a togekiss with serene grace, but if want to fuse it I may end up with not having access to this ability but hustle instead

solar bison
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I think the head gives the second ability and the body gives the first ability (based on screenshots from my gameplay)

cedar atlas
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if you want Serene Grace, use Togekiss head

drowsy jay
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Yeah that’s how it work, enhance my suggestion : change that system for a simpler and imo more straight forward one

eternal rivet
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you seem salty that you fused wrong

solar bison
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Or that they can’t get an extra OP fusion

drowsy jay
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Oh no, I don’t really care but that’s not for this channel. If I want something op I just need to pick a Slaking. It’s just a personal experience that I used as an example

slender oriole
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the only way to have Aggron pass along Rock Head is to make it the fusion's body, that seems a bit paradoxical

solar bison
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Aggron body gives rock

slender oriole
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yeah but the head is something else, isn't it? same reason that pidgey's abilities were swapped, doesn't make sense to pass along tangled feet as the head

eternal rivet
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no. aggron head gives rock head

frank grove
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Make Pokemon with 1 hp (basically all Shedinjas and it's combinations with wonder guard) work with revives, not just max revives. The normal Pokemon games did that too.

minor vale
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if they don't work currently, that sounds like a bug to report, rather than a feature to request

mint bone
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get a trainer inside the pokemon center whom you can fight infinity to grind your mons

teal chasm
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Trainers like that already exist, you can rebattle them. I like the one with all the king-themed Pokémon. 🙂

mint bone
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Oh didnt know that. Im sorry. Having quite a hard time grinding my mons as im at cerulean and my mons r only 14, 14 and 18

teal chasm
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There's a steep level curve around that point for sure, I struggled with it but thankfully my starter was Ivysaur / Pichu at that point. 😄

mint bone
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i always pick charmander for kanto so, yeeah kinda tough

ionic parcel
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It would be possible to add a menu when you can set the sprite of an individual pokémon in your team like you can do with nicknames? It would be useful to set alt sprites or shiny sprites to pokémon

echo swallow
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I would assume that would be really hard to do. 🤔

teal chasm
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You outright can't modify an individual member of a species (like say a custom sprite for my Arbok named Phillip compared to every other Arbok using the default one). Custom sprites can easily be done though by using the doubles in the sprite packs and changing their file name to the same number as the sprite you want to replace (1.4 for Bulbasaur / Charmander). Pick the sprite you'd rather use then drag it in and agree to overwrite the existing one. 🙂

ionic parcel
daring dust
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It would be much more coding than what it really is worth

ionic cipher
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Add a shuffler option to overworld Items, TMs and Gym Types

it could just be in the randomizer menu and if you select yes you go to a second menu

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this basically stops you from getting multiple of the same TM and prevents you from getting multiple of the same item/Gym Type

Plus a lot of the time randomised items just end up as berries

teal chasm
ionic parcel
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It's not impossible. What makes you think it's impossible?

teal chasm
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Because Essentials maps sprites based on species, not individual members of said species. It'd have to belinked to the PID or something like that which is untenable and too specific. Colin the Caterpie is still a Caterpie and as such will use the sprite all other Caterpie use. Shinies are different because that's a toggle, but delving any more specific than that would require unique code for something maybe two people might use. 😢

ionic parcel
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Yeah. Probably not worthy but I'd still like it

teal chasm
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I mean you could just replace the species-wide Shiftry sprite with the custom Shiftry you want, especially if you're playing randomised because you're unlikely to encounter another Shiftry. 😄

lone shale
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Is it possible to increase the number of boxes in the PC? I am a player who collects a lot of Pokémon and fusion I almost hit the limit.

ionic parcel
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Why collect so many if you are never going to use them?

solar bison
past sedge
eternal rivet
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gotta catch all 44000

teal chasm
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Multiply that number by 3, add 30000 and you're closer to the actual number. 😛

solar bison
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Just do 420*420 and you’re close

past sedge
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and don't forget the triples 😉

frail radish
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The coffees in Silph Co could be obtainable, since its such a waste for Silph Co staff to leave it on their desks, never to touch it again. Might as well make some use of it 🧐

frank grove
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Just do 420*420 420 times, then you'll have your answer

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or 420 to the power of 420

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(420⁴²⁰)

plush pivot
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It is just 420*420

The exact number of fusions if you don't count tripple fusions is 176400

fast oyster
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Suggestion to add safari zone map to the wiki

rough gull
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it's the same map as fr/lg

solar bison
eternal rivet
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i guess it must. frog would never lie

maiden basin
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please make the boost ball work. Or is it intentional that it doesn't work?
or is it not as easy as expected to fix this (replace thispoke.trainerID! = self.pbPlayer.id with thispoke.obtainMode == 2 [location: PokeBattle_Battle.rb, line 1804)?

jaunty pasture
plush pivot
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Yeah, but there are only a few of those

jaunty pasture
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Aaaah okie

teal chasm
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It's only ones of a set, like each region's starters and legendary trios. 🙂

cobalt moth
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and it's postgame

jaunty pasture
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Suggestion: Enable quick healing in Pokemon centers! I don't remember which game did it, I believe it may have been Insurgence, but basically whenever you visit a Pokemon center and talk to the nurse, she'll just immediately say she healed your Pokemon without having to mash Enter/Space 20 times to get it done and risk initiating the conversation again. Just a small quality of life change, considering this game's quite a bit harder than most, and a lotta visits to Pokemon centers are made ❤️

noble ermine
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Difficulty configuration would be really cool in my opinion

Something like being able to enable the better trainer ai from hard mode, but not the higher pokemon levels, or adjust by how much the enemy trainer pokemon levels increase (or even decrease) etc. so you can mix and match to make the game even more enjoyable, especially when replaying

teal chasm
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That might be too complex, even if it's a cool idea in theory. 😦

noble ermine
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I don't know how exactly the levels for pokemon are adjusted, but if things like that are too complex even just being able to have better trainer ai in normal or easy mode would be really cool I think

Overall I have no clue about how any of this works tho, so maybe I'm really just dreaming up too complex things 😅

charred grotto
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Update the wiki, with like quest guides and stuff pokemon locations and items/tms

cedar atlas
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Maybe make Rock Slide available via TM or Tutor since it's one of the very few decent Physical Rock moves and even on pokemon that do have access to both Rock Slide & Stone Edge it can be preferred in a good amount of instances. Like if you want a more reliable move because of it's accuracy combined with Stone Edge having very low PP 5(8 max), flinch strategies, with Sheer Force since Stone Edge doesn't get the boost Rock Slide statistically becomes the better move, hits both pokemon in Double Battles, etc. I used search operators to make sure it wasn't mentioned anywhere on the wiki and went through every message on here with rock slide in it to see if anyone knew where it was and nobody seemed to.

solar bison
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I thought rock slide already was a TM?

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Also, almost all the double battles were removed

cedar atlas
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Like I mentioned I searched the wiki for any instance of Rock Slide and there wasn't any, and I went through all the messages with Rock Slide in them in this server and nobody seemed to know the location, and there's actually a message you wrote saying that it "Looks like rock slide is only available through randomized items". So like I was implying, making it normally available through those means. And isn't the double battle removal because of the crashes and being worked on.

charred grotto
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im pretty sure rock slide is in rock tunnel near the exit. I'm pretty sure its the same as where it is in fire red

cedar atlas
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I just went through there again to make sure and talked to every NPC again and none offered to teach it or anything, and the layout is different. You might be thinking of another game with Kanto in it or something

charred grotto
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no im pretty sure its towards the end. you go left or something and you see a kid on his own. Im like 75% sure its like fire red

cedar atlas
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just used Debug to look at the maps and make sure I covered every square inch, but I'd love to be wrong if you can get a screenshot or something, and there'd be a confirmed location for it

mental bear
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Adding that Voltorb/Porygon Fusion that @split forum made to either Gambling NPCs or to Scientists 😄

plush pivot
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Professor Oak still only says that there are more than 120.000 fusions. But the actual number is quite a bit bigger and we need to flex with it as much as possible 😤

solar bison
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There’s still more than that, so he’s not incorrect really

plush pivot
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Yeah, but what about the flex Shedozing

cedar atlas
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an aftergame where we visit the unova region would be nice as thats where pokemon fusion 1st started and it would be fun to revisit old times of the unova region like twisted mountain and oplecid city

teal chasm
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Never going to happen, the amount of work you're asking for there would be insane. 😦

cedar atlas
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ok 😦 sorry that i asked

arctic root
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Maybe a hint to the origin of fusion but not the whole region

eternal rivet
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they do.

frank grove
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References might be more accurate

drifting basin
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I have an idea

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Custom fusion names

opaque shale
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That would be a bit to tricky with about 180000 different pokemon

plush pivot
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And the nickname option exists

echo tapir
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Petition to swap Houndoor/Dooms 1st and 2nd ability around, because Flash Fire paired with the Fire typing of the body is meh, would be techy and cool to go with the Dark Head.

echo tapir
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In randomizer mode, the Poke Radar is still dependent on Abra and Bunary to finish those quests. Is it possible to engineer it to be dependent on what their slot randomed into?

tranquil shale
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wasnt there an option to turn off randomizer during gameplay or was that removed

frail radish
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You can turn randomizer off by talking to the tough bloke upstairs (pokémon centre)

cedar atlas
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the game looks fantastic! my only quip, is that all the mainstream regions should be available. (not counting sevii islands, unless you want to) Like hoenn, sinnoh, unova and so on.

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someone REALLY has to add this!

eternal rivet
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do you relise how much your asking for?

cedar atlas
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Probably a whole lot. XD

plush pivot
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indeed. Please only post suggestions that are actually in the realms of possibility

teal chasm
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I feel like that needs to be added into the channel message (maybe "BESIDES more Pokémon/regions"), that's the second time in just over a week someone has asked for more regions. And this is after the (relatively not far up) message of me saying adding just Unova was too much of a task. 😅

echo swallow
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You should type that too big requests will probably not be added or something like that 🤔

tranquil ore
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I dont think that the time isn't even the biggest problem as well, it's more that all the regions in the game WITH all 420 mons would make the game way too big.
We'd need to make it a switch game and it'd still lag lol

ionic cipher
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Change mechanics so they're more like Gen 7. I want Leech Life to be decent instead of a terrible Move with no hope

frank grove
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That would also mean tweaking the level that the pokemon learning it a bit... if that's what you want

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What I mean a bit... I meant like (for example) Crobat not learning any bug moves until 35, which is leech life itself

cedar atlas
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Maybe if not the other regions, perhaps you could just add mega forms and regional variants? Primal devolution?

scenic parcel
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both mega forms and primal evolution can be made through self-fusion sprites, and there's a regional variant mod that someone made that applies postgame

cedar atlas
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Ah. So that’s already done?

scenic parcel
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Basically, yes

cedar atlas
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Nice. A shame about the other regions though

teal chasm
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Yeah it's already done by proxy. Megas don't give stat boosts as self-fusions because having to make a separate form for each Mega would mean effectively the same as adding like 50 extra Pokémon and that too is untenable. 😅

teal chasm
cedar atlas
scenic parcel
cedar atlas
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Oh?

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I am intrigued. Could I see an example in the ‘sprites’ page?

plush pivot
static rampart
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Option for no shedninjas in randomizer

pearl bay
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add some way to devolve pokemon
devolution spray, some sort of candy, etc
it'd make randomizers much more enjoyable

plush pivot
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If your problem is that you only want to encounter unevolved pokemon in the early game, use a lower number when randomzing wild pokemon

pearl bay
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having a large degree of randomness with the option to devolve pokemon is much better than having a small degree of randomness with no option to devolve pokemon, is my point

solar bison
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I think devolving Pokémon is just hard to implement is why it isn’t implemented

teal chasm
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It's effectively the same as adding an individual evolution method for each Pokémon, only instead of going up the evolution line they go down. Adding that many evolutions would be tricky, I'd imagine. 😦

plush pivot
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I still don't get how going for a lower randomness number doesn't solve the problem

high glen
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Suggestion: No pokemon can learn dragon rage until level 20

halcyon citrus
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...why?

frail radish
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I wouldn't really see dragon rage as a problem, it might be the worst fixed damage move early game (other than sonicboom, night shade, seismic toss) but there's no trainer/wild NPC that have it. Even if the level 20 restriction was implemented dragon rage would still be broken.
I can see why you want it removed (in the event the enemy has dragon rage in randomizer), however I can't understand why you won't add a fairy type member to counter it.

It's like the Shedinja talk, just equip your team with a counter and it should be easy. (for instance: weather effects, status, recoil, super effective moves, ability changing moves, mold breaker and turboblaze, and rocky helmet can take out a shedinja easily).

teal chasm
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You might not be able to find a counter is his point, especially if it happens on Route 1. But it is a really small amount of cases where that'd happen. 😅

frail radish
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No harm in exploring it, sometimes I put my thoughts into text and it sorta looks like spam
But yeah I don't see a big issue with fixed damage moves

cedar umbra
scenic parcel
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there are displays of base stats in game, just go to summary and switch a few tabs over

frail radish
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You can check your IV and EVs in Saffron City, and you can find out the rest with a secure internet connection thisclown

chilly arrow
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@frail radish where can I check Evs ? I've only find the IVs checker
Thank you 🙂

frail radish
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There are two people in the room who tell you your IVs and EVs specifically

chilly arrow
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@frail radish We need to finish Johto ? Because in Saffron City i've only the computer to check IVs

plush pivot
chilly arrow
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@plush pivot Sorry 😖 It's because you redirected me to this chanel (in general)

solar bison
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Now stop talking here

charred grotto
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Suggestion I have. Atleast all the starters from other regions. No other pokemon Just the starters atleast those ones (including g8)

solar bison
charred grotto
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sorry didn't see that

drifting basin
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Bring back the double battles

tranquil ore
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Double battles have been removed for a reason, they were really lag-inducing and gave crashes often. seeing the size of the game due to all of the mons and all, removing double battles to reduce lag was a smart move

drifting basin
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I think they could be re-added if another anti-lag method was created... And it was not that laggy

teal chasm
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You have to remember that Frogman's making this game on his lonesome and it's already a miracle he crammed 60 extra Pokémon in, the lag can be insane so Double Battles just aren't worth the trouble. 😦 They're my favourite type of battle though.

charred grotto
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Maybe a place to grind off blisseys or an ev training place

pseudo sapphire
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The game isn't that difficult as it is, no need to make it even less difficult

teal chasm
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The level curve is definitely a problem (especially early on, so maybe a Chansey in Cerulean or Vermilion could be nice), I think having a place to grind would be nice. 🙂

frail radish
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Rebattling trainers is an existing feature that allows for useful grinding

teal chasm
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I know, but it's not necessarily obvious which ones are good for XP. I always default to the trainer which uses King-themed fusions but I'm not even sure if it's any good. 😦

solar bison
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We’ve already had this suggestion and I recall Frogman saying he’s not adding any trainer for the purpose of grinding

teal chasm
charred grotto
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Quicksave button

cedar atlas
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Add more cat pokemon like liepard or pyroar

tranquil ore
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The description of this channel specifically states to not suggest any more new Pokémon, we've reached the limits of the Pokémon we can have in the game so no more will be added @cedar atlas

sacred spearBOT
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Hey @tranquil ore, please don't request that new Pokémon be added via this channel.

solar bison
frank grove
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We don't want to have more burdens to Frogman, right Stan?

cedar atlas
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Oh ok sorry! I didn't see the discription since I'm on mobile

charred grotto
rough gull
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Where even is that?

echo swallow
charred grotto
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yeah before tohjo falls

drifting basin
echo swallow
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No, the limit for max Pokémon is reached.

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There won't be any other Pokémon added

tranquil ore
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which is literally what i said in my message there sad

teal chasm
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It's a miracle we got the extra 50 after Pyukumuku. 😦

solar bison
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Isn’t there one just in Bill’s computer in his Goldenrod home that you can take?

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I can’t check because I’m on my phone, but someone else can

turbid briar
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Make it so the trades reflect the gen of starter to chose. So say you start the game with a gen three starter than those first trades in kanto will be for the other two gen 3 starts

charred grotto
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ok hear me out. The game runs pretty slow. Try and remove some of the long move animations such as flamethrower and icebeam because when used makes the game go real slow

celest patio
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Can't you just turn off battle animations in the options like any other pokemon game lmao

charred grotto
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let me check

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ok that makes it better

charred grotto
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update tms and movepools of pokemon. It would give us more of a variety for movesets

west abyss
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The game has a habit of crashing randomly not a critic so many sprites being crammed into the game that make sense but because of that I find myself saving a lot more just in case so a quick save button would be really nice

plush pivot
west abyss
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I did and it still crashes

lofty jetty
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What about combining nicknames in the same way species names are combined upon fusion? Maybe optionally?

solar bison
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You can just nickname your Pokémon in the party menu at any time

sterile dome
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I second professor's opinion

tranquil ore
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I second knuckles opinion, seeing as it doesn't make any sense cause you can just make the nickname yourself anytime everywhere

sterile dome
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idk just seems like a nice touch imo

solar bison
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The names of Pokémon fusions are not generated every time you fuse, there’s just a text document with all their names in it, so the nickname thing wouldn’t work without creating a whole new algorithm

sterile dome
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Fair enough

plush pivot
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Okay, so this is definetly an idea that would take quite a bit of work, but I think it is realistic and it would be really cool to have.

My idea is to have 2 modes you can choose from at the beginning of the game: Classic and Modern.
Classic is the game exactly as it is right now and Modern is mostly the same game, but two things are changed: Encounters and Trainer Pokemon.
The idea behind Modern is to add a mode that gives access to later gen Pokemon a lot easier and where Gym Leaders and trainers have some more out there fusions.

Example:
Route 1 Classic: Pidgey, Rattata, Tangela, Hoothoot , Mime Jr.
Route 1 Modern: Fletchling, Budew, Shinx, Bidoof, Mime Jr.

For Gym Leaders I was thinking of changing up everyones type to the next most fitting one. They could technically also stay the same, but I think it would add a cool difference between the modes and would make the game more replayable

Examples:
Brock Classic (Rock): Diglett/Onix
Brock Modern (Steel): Steelix/Mime Jr. (#sprite-gallery message)

Misty: Water -> Ice
Surge: Electric -> Dark
Erika: Grass -> Fairy
...

I decided to go with this Steelix/Mime Jr. in the Brock example for 2 reasons:

  1. It is a bit more out there with the fusion being between one fully evolved mon and a not evolved mon with very low base stats, which is something I would like to see a lot of other trainers do early on too
  2. This fusion has an amazing custom sprite. I think this Modern mode would be an awesome way to highlight a lot of really well done custom sprites that usually never pop up in a normal, gen 1 focused playthrough. There are a ton of trainers in the game, but there are even more really creative, high effort fusion sprites that could make every single trainer battle something special.
    So in difference to the Classic mode, where the fusions were done first and the sprites made later, the selection in Modern would focus on adding cool fusions right away.
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I don't know how much work this would entail, so just let me know if I'm asking for too much here 😅

celest patio
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Absolutely love that idea. One of the main reasons I've never gotten super into actually playing IF is the fact that it really just feels like just... Kanto, plus fusing. Which isn't a bad thing, but Kanto is just.. so familiar, so overplayed- yes I can fuse my rattata and pidgey now, but they're still the same old rattata and pidgey I've caught a million times. I know randomized is an option, but it doesn't capture the same feel as something with actual thought put into its design and curve.

The concept for Modern mode sounds like a very enjoyable, fresh twist that I could see myself having a blast with.

ocean tendon
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I 100% agree

solar bison
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Kanto being boring is why I always play randomizer

teal chasm
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I think it's an absolutely fantastic idea. We could set up a channel or DM chain for brainstorming too. 😄

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I'd love to be a part of that if it were to happen, I think it's a really great alternate mode. If it's too much for the base game to handle it could be done as a separate download, kind of like regular Pokémon versions. 🙂

frail radish
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Randomizer is a fun mode in itself, if your (all) tired of randomizer then I can't see how this mode would be very different. This is more of a pokémon reshuffle, something randomizer already does.

But I'll sit back and see what becomes of this idea, since I'm curious on how unique this feature could be. And if the ol' toad is just as enthusiastic of course.

teal chasm
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It's like an organised reshuffle that can be balanced in the way a story playthrough can be, and offers a more conventional type of gameplay that doesn't limit you to the 151 and a select few Johtonians for most of the game. 😅

solar bison
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I didn’t say randomizer was tiring, I said normal playthrough was

frail radish
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I didn't reply to you specifically

celest patio
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Nobody really said randomizer was tiring, it just isn't the same and doesn't capture as smooth a flow or as good a balance as actually purposefully adjusting things.

strong perch
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my suggestion is simple but i don't know if it is complicated to make two versions of the game one with fusion only during the battle like mega evolution and the other with "permanent" fusion because many like "permanent" fusion and some like temporary fusion

teal chasm
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That would require completely reworking the engine and I don't think I've heard of a single person say they prefer temporary fusion. It also doesn't make much sense because of how DNA Splicers work in IF, would you have to waste a turn using them and therefore make it quite pointless? 😦

teal chasm
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I didn't necessarily want to put this in Announcements because it's early days, but Tomate and I have decided to start working on his idea of a Modern Mode. If anyone wants to offer a helping hand, just let us know. 😄

tight raven
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This might be a bit out there, but if a lot of the problem with kanto is the familiarity, what if some things about the modern mode were tweaked to be more modern? What if gym leaders were changed to later gen ones? What if surge could be Wattson? Also it’s a similar to concept in how the original red and blue had more freedom to choose between koga and the devil Sabrina, maybe a bit of a less linear gameplay style could be introduced more? But that would affect both “versions” so probably not. Anyways point being maybe a trainer refresh — even just the regular route trainers — could be nice

teal chasm
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That's pretty much what we're doing with Modern Mode, we're changing types around and all of the parties of the trainers. 🙂

tight raven
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Yes but what about the trainers themselves I mean

solar bison
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We can’t change the sprites or dialogue with the method being used

tight raven
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Gotcha

mellow bolt
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If you can't change the dialogue then changing the gym types will be a nasty surprise for anyone playing.

solar bison
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Pretty sure the gym types will be kept the same

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Just different Pokémon teams

tight raven
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Iirc the current engine is capable of changing the signs outside of gyms that show what type it is and also anyone playing modern would know so even if the gyms are/are not changed it wouldn’t be a problem right

teal chasm
solar bison
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Banned

tight raven
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Ooh then change the E4 types I’m tired of Lorelei

teal chasm
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We've basically just swapped her and Misty's types around, but there's some more interesting switches too. 🙂

plush pivot
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I think we can move this to #spriter-general or something, since this channel should be for stuff that involves Frogman

frail copper
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Suggestion : Fix Rotom. Fusions with Rotom body look completely broken with those titanic hands

echo swallow
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That can't be done, since the sprites are taken from the generator, it would require a lot of work to fix them

teal chasm
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Could self-fusion sprites be included in the main sprite packs? It seems weird to not have them there. 😢

steep parcel
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Suggestion : Fix Rotom. Fusions with Rotom body look completely broken with those titanic hands
@frail copper the only way to fix is to sprite all 420 rotom sprites, have fun. 1234

cinder osprey
steep parcel
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We are using the sprites of a Website, jp... it's pinned in #fusions , so no we can't change the sprites. Except if we do the 420 custom ones

teal chasm
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Apparently being able to choose which generation of starters is locked to a new save, could it be made possible to do it without having to make a new save? I didn't even know it was a feature until this week, that's how obscure it is. 😅

quiet mantle
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not many people complete the game and then go "Man lets do it again"

teal chasm
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Well you don't have to complete it, you can start, move that save to another folder and then make a new save. But again that's really obscure for someone who isn't in the IF Discord and has learned the tricks that way. 😦

solar bison
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You could just start the game, save once, and restart to have the option
No moving save files necessary

teal chasm
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It's just needless steps though. Why not just have the option from the start? 😅

solar bison
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I think I remember Frogman shooting down the idea before

teal chasm
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But why? 😅

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Honestly I feel the same way about the randomiser, but I get the logic behind that maybe being hidden. It could be mentioned in-game early on somewhere though, perhaps. 😄

tranquil ore
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Probably to make players go through the game normally first or something

teal chasm
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I'd much rather play through the game with a Torchic than a Bulbasaur. 😢

quiet mantle
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i thought that option unlocked only if you have a completed save file.

quasi birch
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nah just restart and then play classic

pseudo sapphire
mossy moon
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The completed save file one is the custom starter where you need to beat the Elite 4 on the previous save

cedar atlas
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Would be cool to see the devs and admins as an npc

frank grove
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and battle them with their personal team choice

pseudo sapphire
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I know someone made a mod like that. It had a place where you could battle members of the server, where they had their hall of fame teams

solar bison
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Fix all the unfused sprites with messed up colors

cedar atlas
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DexNav(Basically you can see all current pokemon in the area, see their abilities and levels, and you can find them at will).

rough gull
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@solar bison They have been fixed for a while

cedar atlas
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het what do you think guys

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adding new species to pokemon fuison like the delta species in insurgence like in pokemon infinte fuison adding fuison species this species similiar to orginal but has some feature to another pokemon like let say eevee with normal and elec type with pikachu tail

granite canyon
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I don't think there are plans to add any new pokemon to this game. Besides, just fusing an eevee and a pikachu together will give you a sorta similar result to your example anyway

sacred spearBOT
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Hey @granite canyon, please don't request that new Pokémon be added via this channel.

plush pivot
tranquil ore
mellow bolt
slender oriole
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Maybe a way to let people contribute custom pokedex entries for fused Pokemon?

solar bison
frank grove
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Having a built in stats calculator for fusing pokemon that uses pokemon that you've caught

tranquil ore
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Or you just, use the 2 calcs that are pinned in #general

cedar atlas
teal chasm
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That would require completely reworking the engine and making roughly 16 frames for 175000 overworld sprites. Not happening.

stuck jay
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ntm is movement grid based rn, that wouldnt even work right

solar bison
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What?

stuck jay
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encounters based on overworld doesnt work as well when both you and the pokemon are moving just on a grid

celest patio
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Has there ever been consideration towards updating things like moves to more recent iterations? For example, Fury Cutter and Bubble are still 20bp (they changed to 40 in gen 6), I assume Knock Off is probably still weak as shit, Leech Life probably is too, etc..

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at least updating that sort of thing to their gen 6 stats, if not gen 7, would be nice.

stuck jay
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wouldnt that also kinda oblige updating to movesets from those eras
I assume some stuff only got ability to learn them after they were more notable moves, would you also be nerfing moves that got nerfed? ntm fairy type isnt in play defensively which was potentially accounted for with some of the changes

celest patio
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The movesets already seem to use gen 6 learnsets, if not gen 7. Based around the fact that my Azumarill learned Defense Curl+Rollout at lvl 10 (gen 6) rather than 7 and 15 (gen 5). Either that or BW2 learnsets. I can't tell.

Its just kinda weird that there's fairy typing and (I presume) fairy moves but the rest of the game uses outdated move stats. Should at least be somewhat consistent.

solar bison
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It uses gen 5 learnsets

plush pivot
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Making Leech Life strong would make Zubat op and to avoid that every learnset would have to be changed then

frank grove
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that would mean that the zubat line can learn leech life from lvl. 31-35 (sm,usum), level 25-35 (Let's go pikachu and eevee) and lvl. 55-69 (SwSh) if you want

plush pivot
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But then you have to change every other move too to make uo for that change 9head

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And you can't just go with a gen 6 or so moveset because not all gen 6 moves are in IF

mellow bolt
celest patio
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Exactly. Or, like I said, at least just update it to the gen 6 stats... Leech Life doesn't have to be strong (though it'd be nice if it was) but at least make the rest of the game actually consistent alongside the fairy type addition, just seems really odd to me that fairies are in but everything else is gen 5 based.

solar bison
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Since everything is based around gen 5 except the fairies, it would technically make more sense to remove fairy type

teal chasm
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I've always been for making movesets a bit more interesting, the Bubble and Fury Cutter changes specifically would be super easy to implement, Leech Life less so if it involves moving stuff around but could theoretically be done relatively easily. 😄

queen abyss
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Yo on this topic why does Steel still resist Dark and Ghost? I feel like that’d be an easy fix

teal chasm
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That's a really good point, with Fairy being here we should be using Gen VI type charts. 🙂

queen abyss
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Yhh just wondering cuz steel having the strength to Fairy AND all its old resistances basically makes it objectively the best type 😅

celest patio
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Lmao Aegislash with only 2 weaknesses funni. Yeah that should definitely be updated as well.

midnight seal
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I think there should be a way to change difficulty, it could be abused but maybe you could change it at least once? idk but I feel like they could add a thing where they can change difficulty in a previous save file. It also also already be a think idk I just don't see it rn.

teal chasm
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Modern Mode's gonna probably be slightly harder overall. 🙂

midnight seal
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I could already tell lol

cedar atlas
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either i am not advanced in pokemon infinte fuison or that i notice there is not mega evoulution could you guys add mega evoulution and fuison mega evoulution to the game

plush pivot
solar bison
cedar atlas
plush pivot
# cedar atlas why is that

Implementing them wouldnt really work and some fusions already use the mega evolution form of one mon because it looks good

So the concept is already kinda used, just not as its own mechanic

I can imagine that there would also bee tons of technical problems in trying to implement that

cedar atlas
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oh okay

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do you know how i can help the game in progrramming like you know if you guys need help with something or so you can sometimes rely on fans

teal chasm
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IF's a one-man act (outside of the Essentials stuff) I'm pretty sure, Frogman's pretty good at what he does and I don't think he wants help. The offer's always appreciated though. 🙂

solar bison
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I thought he replied to himself because of the profile pictures

robust tulip
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And a Grinding area. This is really my only problem with the game is that i loose alot of levels while fusing.....it kinda just makes me wana not fuse stuff

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(also the "u cant unfuse another trainers pokemon" rule is kinda pointless imo.....its the whole reason i dinit use the gts)

solar bison
solar bison
robust tulip
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fair enough i suppose. just point out some personal gripes and and a friend had during our 2 play sessions

celest patio
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lack of grinding area is one of the biggest reasons I almost never touch the game aside from spriting for it lmao. The slow speed of the shitty rpgmaker engine combined with crap for grinding just makes any longterm progress a huge nope for me. Artificial difficulty like that is annoying.

tranquil ore
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B..but you can rebattle trainers? Who eventually level up their mons and can evolve them as well? That is quite the grinding possibility tbh

teal chasm
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Grinding is boring though and the level curve definitely jumps a bit drastically at times. I remember Misty, Erika and Blaine (who I actually got bored of grinding for and that's why I've not played in a while) being tricky. 😦

robust tulip
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also maybe reduce the amount of exp that gets yoinked when defusing? or add a mega splicer that only removes like 2 levels. Its just hard to experiment when the game punishes you for doing so.

solar bison
robust tulip
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ive only seen super splicers. im on my second playthrough. ice seen the ||infinte splicers aswell||

teal chasm
robust tulip
robust tulip
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Hear me out. And everstone mixed with the eviolite so ya don't gotta keep cancelling the evos

plush pivot
solar bison
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That already is true

robust tulip
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Sorry I'm playing on randomizer mode so I had no clue that was a thing.....oopies half_pixels

earnest sphinx
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maybe add a way to play with controller? ;3 like a controller settings panel or something

solar bison
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What would you need a controller for? This game doesn't require any fast and precise inputs

errant lichen
eternal rivet
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keyboards are contollers

mossy moon
earnest sphinx
cedar atlas
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Well you can play with a controller (I used joytokey once to play with a controller on Pokemon IF)

teal chasm
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If it's possible with external programs then that's great. I'm not personally too sure if RPG Maker has controller support usually, but if other programs sort it then it's a non-problem. 😄

cedar atlas
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You just have to assign the input

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earnest sphinx
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no idea how to get that

solar bison
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Well, stop talking about it in this chat

earnest sphinx
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k

vocal lichen
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QoL suggestion: Ability to adjust audio settings (not just on and off, but also the volume) in the options menu you get by right clicking the top bar

solar bison
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You have a master volume bar on your computer already though?
Also, pressing one of the F# keys (I forget which) brings up a menu where you can turn on and off different sounds, like the music and sound effects

vocal lichen
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Mainly thinking about the streamability of the game, adjusting the computer volume settings is tedious especially when you have many programs open at the same time. Another widget in the options menu would allow for (less tedious) adjustment while in battle

teal chasm
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Honestly it makes sense to have one, Essentials has one by default, I know Volume Mixer exists but it's just a nice feature to have. 🙂

rough gull
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This was already added a few versions ago

past escarp
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QoL suggestion:
Add a mini-icon for self-fusions (like the red star for shinies).
When self-fusions don't have sprites, it's hard to differentiate between self-fusions and regular mons.

steep parcel
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something like dexnumber exist for a reason

cedar atlas
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I have an idea, why not having a kind of new game + with the pokemon of the team return lvl 5 and at the lowest evolution (and some additional bonus)

solar bison
dry idol
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i think they're suggesting a whole new post game where your pokemon get reset to starter pokemon

which still doesn't make much sense, the game is long as itself

cedar atlas
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After finish the game, having the possibility to replay the game but with the things I said

solar bison
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What the heck does "pokemon of the team return lvl 5 and at the lowest evolution" mean?!

cedar atlas
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For exemple, you have a blaziken/togekiss lvl 100, after the ng+ it become torchic/togepi level 5 you see?

solar bison
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I don't think that's a good idea or very possible

cedar atlas
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Okay

plush pivot
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I think it's a cute idea

teal chasm
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It's a nice idea but not possible, or at least a lot of effort for what's effectively a completed game. 😦

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I still back changing moves to their latest power (Leech Life especially).

cedar atlas
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That was a suggestion after all

solar bison
mellow bolt
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Blaquaza wants Knock Off to not suck.

plush pivot
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What do you need Knock Off for in a singleplayer game? 🔫 👀

mellow bolt
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Type coverage. disgust

teal chasm
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And Modern Mode is going to be tough.

stuck jay
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inb4 only modern mode updates moves

teal chasm
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We were told we couldn't update moves. 😢

echo bison
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A final boss battle against mr frogman himself, who has lvl 100 fused pokémon with perfect EV's and IV's and Eevee's and Ivy's like the battle against Red in GS or HGSS

solar bison
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And it's a Beedrill/Arceus

teal chasm
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If someone could do a music pack that removes all the MIDI tracks that would be lovely. 😂

tight basin
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Considering Stance Change doesn't work, I think giving Aegislash No Guard or some sort of ability would be good? It's such a cool pokemon but is kinda underwhelming rn

eternal rivet
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it doesnt work?

steep parcel
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It doesn't

brazen swan
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It "works" but in a poorly-documented and frankly broken way

unique carbon
solar bison
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Screen size? There's 3 options for that in the settings, but did you want more?

unique carbon
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Outside of that supposedly there's a big performance increase. On the other hand I'm unsure if it would break anything in the process but hopefully not. Worth a look though I'd think 🙂

solar bison
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Maybe dm Frogman about that

mellow bolt
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Yeah because he always replies to those.

solar bison
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Isaac confirmed as Frogman alt?

eternal rivet
unique carbon
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  1. Visible overworld encounters could be interesting / with a mix of random encounters still occurring. https://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=429019

  2. The ability to load and create multiple saves instead of always overwriting. https://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=445418

The PokéCommunity
[Essentials Script] Visible Overworld Wild Encounter

See the discussion at PokéCommunity!

The PokéCommunity
[Essentials Script] Multiple save files (PE v.18.2)

See the discussion at PokéCommunity!

echo swallow
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How would you make visible overworld encounters for fusions?

warm solar
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May i sugest adding a backup of the normal mode files on the Modern mode download so you can go back without having to download everithing for two files? It would be really convenient.

plush pivot
teal chasm
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I have two distinct folders with the full game and a full Modern Mode game. Game Freak levels of efficiency.

tulip sundial
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Volt Tackle should have a move tutor. It's been a tutorable move in the series before, and it's honestly kind of a huge pain in the ass to get otherwise.

past escarp
turbid briar
solar bison
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Don't post that here, just tell Chippy

plush pivot
shrewd pelican
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Because sometime it may be hard to get the pokemon you want, is there game centers where you can get free pokemons as rewards. If not do you consider this a good suggestion?

teal chasm
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If you mean Pokémon from beyond Kanto/Johto that's pretty much why Modern Mode exists, if you mean rare Pokémon it's because they're rare for a reason. 😅

serene cape
red epoch
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in modern mode joey should have double bidoofs,

red epoch
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actually just really nice rattata fusions, i dunno i just miss that gag

teal chasm
red epoch
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The wild Pokémon on route 7 should be as strong as the ones in the sewers because there's trainers with level 30 Pokémon on the same route

chrome willow
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I would like to propose something, I spoke 2 days ago about an old project where I had participated in the FR channel, I will not talk about the project itself, but about what I had created for the project in question.

A list of Nature redone from A to Z that I would like to offer here.
"https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19YuamjlnelNRnSYD95El6-3Z93PztRTqilBo3HwZdJo/edit?usp=sharing"

I let you judge for yourself; but I wanted to share this.

For my part I am still currently using it in another project apart from pokemon, but I don't mind sharing it with you with PIF x)

Google Docs
Nature pokemon Fangame by LeonDark

Feuille 1

Nature EN,Nature FR,Atk,Def,Atk.Spe,Def.Spe,Spd
Lonely,Solo,0,2,-0,2,0,0,0
Imbued,Imbu,0,1,0,1,-0,1,-0,1,0
Stubborn,Borné,0,1,0,1,-0,1,0,-0,1
Hardy,Hardi,0,1,0,1,0,-0,1,-0,1
Adamant,Rigide,0,2,0,-0,2,0,0
Bossy,Tyrannique,0,1,-0,1,0,1,-0,1,0
Angry,Colérique,0,1,-0,1,0,1,0,-0,1
Violent,V...

solar bison
chrome willow
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basically, Pokemon nature upgrade

solar bison
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That’s not a good explanation

tranquil ore
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Just check the file knuckles

solar bison
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But no matter what it is, there’s no reason to change how natures work on this game with no connectivity between users

solar bison
chrome willow
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I was making that a suggestion, sorry Knuckles, I explained above, but it must have been mistranslated: /

solar bison
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After being told what you want to do, I think it’s not a good idea

celest patio
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no Knuckles just likes being difficult, its pretty easy to understand what you're proposing just unlikely to be added to the game is all

Love the concept though, its interesting

solar bison
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I’m not being difficult, I’m just not good at inferring things

chrome willow
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it comes from a pokemon fan game project where I participated which dates a very long time, the project was abandoned. But I created this additional Nature variety, because roleplay level I found that pokemon lack Personality through nature, AND because of this strategically it gives new combinations.

solar bison
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I think you should just save it for another fan game then, because I think fusing Pokémon is already enough of a gimmick for this game

chrome willow
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and as here we create pokemon fusion, well my table is a bit of Nature mergers in a way x)

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certainly, in any case, I use it for a Not-Pokemon project, but I said to myself I have nothing to lose has proposed to you x)

chrome willow
solar bison
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Now I see what you meant by mistranslation

chrome willow
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sorry :/

keen crest
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@chrome willow make sure you link the fangame this gets used in

chrome willow
keen crest
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I'm all for more indepth nature differences

tight basin
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shouldn't fletchling give only flying type, even if it's the head? kinda breaks the whole "normal/flying grants flying" thing

solar bison
rough gull
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I guess

red epoch
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seeing as pokemon always use front sprites maybe the pokemon could be opposite to each other ala final fantasy?

plush pivot
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You would need to rework the entire battle screen and all animations for that

floral jungle
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Hey maybe don't put an Absol/Shedinja on a random rocket grunt in Cerulan Sewers

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not everyone has a fairy type you know

tranquil ore
echo swallow
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For real, keep this channel to actual game suggestions, not new Pokémon. 👀

obsidian pagoda
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What is the viability of some sort of TM version of the Global randomizer setting for Pokemon- IE, the randomizer sets anywhere that would have X TM to have Y TM instead, so that you can guarantee that A. every TM is still out there somewhere, and B. that every TM will actually give you a TM without having to do reload dances?

chrome willow
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I find it slightly unfair that the fusion² does not give any statistic modification (since we redo their sprites), if at least it gains 2 points of stats, or 5% of stats, right? (after I imagine that coding level is complicated to do that if the 2 pokemons have the same number = stats in + :/)

teal chasm
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We've had this discussion before, it's been considered but never actually implemented. 😢

chrome willow
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yes in private, but suddenly nobody knew ^^ ' I just proposed, to have everyone's opinion and found a possible solution in passing ^^ '

teal chasm
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It's happened in this channel before too. Several times. 😅

chrome willow
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OK, sorry as much for me x)

teal chasm
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Don't apologise, it's okay to bring it up again! 🙂

frail copper
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We need this feature after all

lavish hollow
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i mean fusing with itself usually means same typing and same stats so

solar bison
digital estuary
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have a fix-it man in pallet town

teal chasm
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I think he means the people in Pokémon Centres that fix glitches. 🙂

mild plume
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Could you add some npc that turns music off, or at least down

teal chasm
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I think it's included in the settings now. 😄

mild plume
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Oh yeah, thanks

obsidian pagoda
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Taking a stab at this suggestion at a time when people are actually awake, how doable is setting TM randomization to replace each randomized TM with a specific other TM such that all TMs are guarranteed to come up without any need for janky savescumming?

solar bison
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I would prefer that

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That’s how randomizers for roms work

solar bison
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Mimikyu is in a haunted house, but the main issue with your idea is totem Pokémon
We aren’t able to make one Pokémon appear larger and also that wouldn’t look good with sprites

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Also, Mimikyu really has no relation to ultra wormholes

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I mean we can’t change the size of an individual instance of a Pokémon, they all use the same sprite

teal chasm
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We'd have to do a new form, which considering there's over 175000 Pokémon in IF, isn't likely to happen. 😅

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And by we I mean Frogman.

solar bison
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Make it so if you're on this screen and have already filled everything out but accidentally move off the submit button you don't have to enter your name again to get to the submit button

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stable kettle
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Please give us the option to choose at the beginning of a playthrough if we want regular or altered evolution requirements.
There is no harm in giving players the option.

plush pivot
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A lot of the evolution requirements were changed because they didn't work in IF. Trade evolutions for example

stable kettle
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That I understand, but the happiness ones did.
It is this I refer to.

plush pivot
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Yeah, I get that. I think I like the idea

solar bison
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You’ll have to ask frogman if that is even possible first

tranquil ore
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He can answer if it is possible in here

stable kettle
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Thank you Tomate. :)

And yeah, true...
Maybe it can be a mod like modern mode...

teal chasm
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We don't do script edits. 😦

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Although actually, adding them back for a mode wouldn't require script edits, just editing pokemon.txt which is one of the Essentials files. Making it an option would require scripting though. 😢

tranquil ore
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Didn't say it should be in modern mode, but a mod like modern modepain

stable kettle
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Indeed.

teal chasm
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I don't know if this is tenable, but if some evolution levels (like Magby and Elekid) have been altered because they're seen as being too late, could something similar possibly be applied to the Unova Pokémon? They notoriously evolve pretty late in some cases. Don't know if anything will come of this, just want to see what people think. 😅

stable kettle
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Honestly, I'd be happy if more Pokémon evolved so late.
I always struggle with keeping up interest in lategame and think this would help.

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Of course, that is me. XD

rough gull
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@teal chasm good point about the unova Pokemon actually. Idk why game freak is so hesitant to change evolution levels tbh. They're usually balanced with the game that introduces them in mind but it doesn't make much sense to not adjust for other games that have a different level curve. Like hydreigon evolving at level 70 something made sense in black & white but not so much in Sun and Moon

teal chasm
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My favourite example is Rufflet being found on Route 3 in Alola but then it doesn't evolve until Level 54, which I think is just narrowly below Kukui's team because he himself has a Braviary. 😂

stable kettle
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I... hope I do not sound demanding but... what is your take on my suggestions?

rough gull
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It's not possible to make it as an option unfortunately since the pokemon data is all pre-compiled

stable kettle
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Hm... what does this mean?

rough gull
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Basically it's essentially hardcoded. It can't be changed on the fly.

stable kettle
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Would a mod like modern mode work?

teal chasm
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If it was done it couldn't be optional, it'd have to be with happiness or without, no choice. 😦

rough gull
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Theoretically yes, but I don't want to have 2 different versions of the game to maintain

echo swallow
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That would be something kind of big to do for such a small thing

stable kettle
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Understandable.
Really, if someone is willing to teach me how, I would do it myself.
No one cares about it more than me, it's only fair I do the work.

solar bison
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I guess the best option you have right now is using debug mode to get a bunch of mist stones

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And then evolving whenever you want

tranquil ore
stable kettle
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But that wouldn't stop early evolution.

rough gull
plush pivot
rough gull
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There's always everstones though I guess

teal chasm
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Everstones then. 😉

solar bison
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So I guess your best option is the cancel evolution items

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Or pressing the equivalent of B when they start to evolve

stable kettle
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Though this would mean limiting the held items of my Pokémon, and pressing b would mean constantly checking at which level Pokémon are supposed to evolve, which requires an internet connection.
And, acquiring all those everstones.

Really, I would love to learn how to edit the code.

teal chasm
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That's not possible. 😦

solar bison
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Just make a list if you want to know the official evolution levels and can’t access the internet all the time from your phone

teal chasm
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I think we only got to edit stuff for Modern Mode because we were mods and it was a bunch of noticeable changes rather than a few smaller ones. 😅

stable kettle
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Not even for private use only?

solar bison
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Also I’ve not seen anyone else prefer waiting longer to evolve

stable kettle
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Which is why I offer to do it myself, instead of bothering someone else with it.

teal chasm
solar bison
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I don’t see any problems if you want to try for your own personal use, but it seems like you won’t be able to

stable kettle
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Is there no way for the strain of compiling the game to be on me?

solar bison
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It’s for your own personal use, you have to do it yourself

stable kettle
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I would be willing to, though from Blaquaza it sounded like this is not something I actually could do myself.

rough gull
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It's not

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You'd need to generate the fusions pbs file and I have not shared the source code for this. Then you'd need the actual rpg maker project which I'm not sharing either (though you could get around that part by copying all the files into a new project)

stable kettle
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Ok, I'd need to learn how, but would be willing to do that.

rough gull
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I am not sharing the fusion file generator's code

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sorry

stable kettle
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I see...
It really is a shame, since it takes away what I take the most joy out of from Pokémon games.

rough gull
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There's a lot of other games that don't touch evolution levels that you can go play instead

stable kettle
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But none of them offer over 17000 playable Pokémon...

I love this project for its replayability value, and finding a new, unorthodox fusion to request a sprite for.

solar bison
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Maybe don’t talk about this in this channel any longer

eternal rivet
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is it possible to make a slug mode like modern mode? like only slug-like pokemon appear?

plush pivot
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  1. no
  2. How many slug like Pokemon even are there in IF?
eternal rivet
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🤷

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i just like slugs.

slender oriole
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there's, uh, Magcargo and Gastrodon? I think?

tranquil ore
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The fact its you making this suggestion is very funny seeing as it isn't a joke😂

scenic parcel
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Slugma

eternal rivet
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so every pokemon is slugma. i dont see the issue

scenic parcel
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That's the only one. Starters: Slugma, Slugma, and Slugma. Encounter mons: Slugma. Legendaries and mythicals: Slugma.

sacred spearBOT
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Dear @scenic parcel, we will not be adding more starters due to space limitations. Please refrain from asking about it in this channel

mild plume
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Yeah Pengu

plush pivot
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#spriter-general

scenic parcel
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Sorry for asking 😦

ocean tendon
eternal rivet
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no

molten flicker
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I'm not sure how doable this is, but I think I have a solution to the space limitations. The game can only support 300ish pokemon, but there are over 900 pokemon (all of which are someone's favorite). so why not make multiple versions of the game? the only difference between them would be the pokemon available. There could probably be a Pokemon folder where you could easily swap out wich pokemon are available yourself to make sure you always have all of your favorites.

teal chasm
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Frogman would have to maintain several versions of the game at that point, and it'd up the amount of fusions we'd have to sprite from 176400 to 806404. 😅

echo swallow
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I'm also pretty sure getting gen 8 mon generated fusions costs money

teal chasm
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It doesn't. At least not Appletun anyway. 🙂

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We had a bit of an argument with Japeal about their use of Smogon sprites.

echo swallow
molten flicker
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Well it was a nice thought. It's just a shame we can't get the available pokemon to be as modular and customizable as the sprites.

latent flame
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why not add the extensions like some kind of dlc (1 gen = 1 extension) its would allow to have 1 single game to managed and a quantity of data to load that varies according to the number of extension that the player chooses which allows to let people regulate the quantity of data to process by their computer and as regards the quantity of work there would be that this concentrate on 1 single gen to develop each time which organizes much more work (sorry if its not clear i translate it with google from french 😅 )

solar bison
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Frogman is not going to manage and update several different versions of the game just so they have different Pokémon’s them

latent flame
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it will not have to update them : just one fix version with 1 of the sevral gen no need to upgrade it every time because itch time he update the core game it affect and so update every extention so they will be update by the work of only updating the game
the only problem i see with this for now its that it may confilct with an update of the core game but it will mean that the update will conflict with core game data aniway

teal chasm
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They would need to be updated, plus if this involves adding new Pokémon that's absolutely not happening. 😦

solar bison
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Right, read channel description

latent flame
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ho shit i didn't see sorry for my mes

eternal rivet
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the game needs a murder mystery side quest

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thats a zombie fan game. not a murder mystery

solar bison
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This isn’t an edgy game, get your Pokémon Insurgence ideas out of here

eternal rivet
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i have never played that one

solar bison
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It’s the first edgy game with death and stuff in it I could think of

eternal rivet
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or just some kind of mystery quest

rapid parcel
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Any chance the safari zone can be fixed? It's currently an awful experince that makes me want to rip my hair out. The catch rates and flee rates are far too high. I have no problem finding most of my pokemon, but going into the safari zone FOUR times and using my balls on nothing but tauros and still being unable to catch them is infuriating.

obsidian pagoda
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I think the actual biggest issue with Safari Zone is that you just don't have enough steps. I have never run out of Balls, but it just doesn't feel like you have enough steps to properly explore and figure out what spawns where without throwing a lot of dosh and time just getting back to where you wanted to explore in the first place.

teal chasm
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I don't know if you can do this in IF, but in the main series rotating your character doesn't use up steps but still leads to encounters I'm pretty sure. 🙂

mellow bolt
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Feels like one of those solutions that addresses that there's an issue and just ignores it. 👀

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I dunno, isn't the safari zone meant to be an awful experience that everyone hates but pretends they miss being in the main games?

teal chasm
mossy moon
rough gull
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Yeah I don't think it's possible to encounter Pokemon by just rotating, but sweet scent of honey works

worldly drift
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No, you can absolutely rotate in place to encounter pokemon indefinitely

solar bison
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No, you definitely cannot in this game

digital estuary
solar bison
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What do you mean by beat the Safari Zone? If you mean get the required items, there’s enough steps to get there pretty easily

teal chasm
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Yeah but kids often get caught up in it and/or get lost somewhere along the way. 😅

sacred spearBOT
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@sacred sonnet please do not ask for more pokemon, we cannot add anymore unfortunately.

solar bison
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The first time the bot has worked properly with that response

sacred sonnet
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I was unaware of that circumstance. please forgive me

mellow bolt
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We forgive you, Murp. 🙏

mossy moon
paper warren
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What about the ability to start from the Johto region?

teal chasm
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That'd require completely rebalancing just about every part of the game and writing and coding for an effectively new story. 😦

indigo lynx
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maybe make it so i can see where pokemon are located in the pokedex. all i can do is play their cry in the pokedex damn it!

plush pivot
indigo lynx
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yea but its just a hassle...

tranquil ore
indigo lynx
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heh. 420...

plush pivot
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Idk, but the game is programmed in a way where there are 170.000 mons by default I'm pretty sure. Meaning that you can't just "seperate" the unfused 420 for the pokedex

indigo lynx
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you could remove the fused mons from the pokedex entirely. since i dont see much of a point for the fused mons to even be in the pokedex

plush pivot
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But thats exactly what I'm saying. I don't believe that is technically possible or at least realistic

rough gull
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It's definitely doable, just not very high on my priority list. I actually used to have it in the game in older versions, but it didn't display correctly because the routes metadatas weren't properly mapped to the town map so I just removed it.
I also replaced the original map with a scrolling map script since then, which I'm not sure would be compatible with it. But it's definitely not an impossible suggestion.

gusty stratus
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Hello, I'm new here and I'm not sure if I'm missing something. Is the only way you can get wild bagon, axew, deino, and larvitar from the pokeradar in the safari zone? You first have the catch all the required pokemon in that area so that you're pokeradar turns green. Then you have to wait for the 25% chance that the bush rustles vigorously and spawns a rare pokemon. If it doesnt occur, you have to use 50 steps to recharge your radar. Then when you find the rare pokemon they are difficult to catch using combinations of bait/rock. If you dont catch the rare pokemon in 500 steps or run out of balls, you have to pay another $500. The safari zone uses a lot of chance.

I want to use these pokemon, but theyre a huge pain to capture. Can they spawn somewhere else like the dragons den or another area (even with the pokeradar)?

bold ginkgo
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are there particular fusions u want with them ?

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cuz first idea that comes to mind would be go to black market and keep rerolling / save before u do it for any of 3 in fusion u cant defuse them then
or b do what u sayed and it be easyer then u expected cuz 500 cash isnt much (worse case u can save beforehand to make sure ur cash isnt wasted) add white flute for more encounters or fusion repel thing for fusion encounters quicker
or C atleast for larvitar u can get it in crimson city as trade for dratini

plush pivot
indigo lynx
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why do you need a badge to use teleport/fly? and why is the teleporter so late into the damn game? in radical red you get to be able to fly after rival 3

bold ginkgo
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fly its obvious and teleport is at 3 gym and works before 2 gym cuz abra.. fly is alwees locked till half the gym badges it just progression sake/linear story line

indigo lynx
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and? teleport is only used as a quality of life thing and radical red you dont even need a mon to fly after rival 3

bold ginkgo
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u can use teleport before beating 2 gym

indigo lynx
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wronggg

tranquil ore
bold ginkgo
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im 100% sure i use teleport before 2 gym and after 2 gym with my alakazam x charizard combo

full pasture
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"why isn't [fangame about fusion that isn't meant to be tryhardy] like [romhack about competitive tryhardiness]"

indigo lynx
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may i remind you. sword and shield had the flying taxi before you even beat THE FIRST GYM

plush pivot
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This game is older than SwSh

indigo lynx
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and? the teleporter is still a thing in fusions

plush pivot
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I still don't see any problem. You get teleport really early and thats it.
Not gonna change :man_shrugging:

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The Teleporter itself is supposed to be a late game gift for completing quests I'm pretty sure

indigo lynx
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at that point what's even the point of giving the player a teleporter?

plush pivot
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I feel like at this point you are just questioning really common and basic rpg design choices that almost every game does.
"Whats the point of getting an OP sword after defeating the final boss" vibes.

I get if you don't like these design philosophies, but this game and many games this is based on just do stuff like that and it do be like that

indigo lynx
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you say it like the teleporter teleports you anywhere around the map without you having visited the place. maybe make the teleporter more acessable early game in easy mode?

bold ginkgo
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i think u just need to get over it with u pickyness cuz orginal games also had that in gens this game is based off
and wasting moderator time with ur opnion isnt helping anyone doesnt mean i dont agree with you though

gusty stratus
plush pivot
indigo lynx
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he's choosing to "waste his time" who likes using HM slaves? just knowing "oh dont worry i only have to have this HM slave until i defeat red then i get to use water fall without an HM slave"

gusty stratus
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Ok perfect. Thanks I'll try it out

bold ginkgo
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nobody likes hm slaves but this game was made before sun and moon and its kinda need to lock progression and before sun and moon it WAS STANDARD so u can lock progression aka players cant reach areas they shouldt be able to reach to cheese the game

indigo lynx
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and its too late to change that whyyy???

bold ginkgo
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cuz game is finished...offcial game dev finished it and just fix bugs and sprite team add custom sprites

plush pivot
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Not to mention that not having HM's ruined SwSh's world design. But that is a topic for a different channel

indigo lynx
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no wonder i use debug mode...and i only use it because i dont wanna wait and keep using shitty rock smash or have a valuable slot filled by a pokemon im not gonna use. and unlike rom hacks like idk dragon ball z team training there's no excuse when it comes to this

bold ginkgo
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there enough excuses or reasons but u dont validate them diffrent story

plush pivot
iron gull
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....apple mobile.... tho I imagine that is impossible cause of all the regulations apple has

teal chasm
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You answered your own suggestion I think. Taunt

iron gull
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A way to see evs (you can only see ivs at that station thing) and maybe bop starters cause starters are special

sacred spearBOT
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Dear @iron gull, we will not be adding more starters due to space limitations. Please refrain from asking about it in this channel

iron gull
solar bison
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Frogman does not plan to make any version for mobile, you’ll have to find a way to do it yourself if you want to play on your phone for some reason, which will inevitably be even laggier

digital estuary
steep parcel
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Just use joiplay and destroy your phone.

sacred sonnet
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Music selection menu (select tracks from other games)

solar bison
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Just play music on your computer and mute the game

bold ginkgo
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unless ur looking for mew

solar bison
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You can mute just the music and not the sound effects

mossy moon
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Add Pokémon, good god I need to remove the end of that

sacred spearBOT
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Dear, @mossy moon. Due to size restrictions we cannot add anymore pokemon, please refrain from asking. Knuckles was here

echo swallow
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Knuckles was here.

solar bison
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Why is that there

mossy moon
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I thinking I dozed off while making the command and forgot to remove it stare

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Add pokémon

sacred spearBOT
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Dear, @mossy moon. Due to size restrictions we cannot add anymore pokemon, please refrain from asking.

quiet mantle
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aye, i really like that bot

tranquil ore
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Can we have more poketo monsta?

mild plume
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Can we have less?

ocean tendon
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remove all pokemon, just make a walking simulator

obsidian pagoda
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Actual Suggestion: Make it easier to use the Triple Fusions by either removing the egg stage and just giving you the level 1 Trip, making the eggs not a hellaciously slow egg that eats a stack of 99 Incubators for breakfast, or just letting players buy Super Incubators.

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As late as you get the option to even get them, them being locked to the egg that takes geologic time to even hatch seems like it essentially just dummies them out.

digital estuary
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Key Item you get through a quest that acts like Sweet Scent/Honey. Would be helpful postgame, at least.

versed maple
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The White Flute in official games (before oras) increases encounter rate; if it isn't in the game, that would be a possible option to make a reusable honey

mild plume
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Isn't there the flute guy who gives you stuff after badges?

bold ginkgo
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@versed maple

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ornate geode
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I know it would be hard to do, but since a lot of people don't want to spend hours choosing their favourite sprite among doubles and some don't even know that you can why don't we try and find a solution to have one big custom battlers folder with no doubles ?
it's a shame that better sprites or even remade sprites are labelled as doubles as some people will never see those fantastic sprites during their Playthrough
My suggestion : set up a voting system among doubles so that we can decide which sprites are the best or the most relevant so that those can be renamed as original sprite. The remaining sprites will go in a doubles folder
Again, it will be very tedious but in my opinion it is 100% worth it
Sorry if it has been suggested before
Sorry for my bad english

teal chasm
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We've already said no to this because it's demotivating to people who's sprites aren't deemed better. We're all doing this as volunteers, no need for us to be needlessly kicked in the teeth. Unamused

blissful trench
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i was surprised the game didn't have an iv changer, but would that be something thats planned perhaps down the line? im almost certain im not the first one asking for this. and it would be a nice QOL change, even if its just in the debug room

solar bison
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I doubt it, since there’s no connectivity between players at all and IVs aren’t really important when you’re playing the story of a Pokémon game

bold ginkgo
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honesty how much i hate to agree with super intended knuckles here he is right there is no point ivs only matter in meta/competive cuz u can more customize ur pokemon

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I would rather suggest adding Alternate splicers/different way to calculate fusions like speed. Attack. Special attack -head defence special defence and speed- body call them alternate splicers or something so some fusions are more useful, but that take like a huge amount of work like huge so that would be mean of me to ask. The reason / example, I suggest this would be looked at aegislash stance chance stats fusion anything with him correctly gives you inferior Pokemon( not right way to say it but his attack stats is higher then defene in shield form that pretty much give u less attack in sword form) 90% of the time cuz how his stance chance work so having an alternate way to fusion him and some others like him would give them way better fusions gameplay wise but that takes work and at the end of the line new calculator
-Bluntly spoken to much work and effort for game that is solid already and main focus is bugs so far im aware atm-Jesse
Ps current fusion mechanisms are based on making Hybrid attackers it 99% end up being hybrid attacker, how splicers currently work or its alot easier to make one with them.

tight basin
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im pretty sure that be next to impossible without making a new pokemon for every single stat fusion

bold ginkgo
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nah just keep current sprites and make diffrent splicers just switch stats dont think it be that massive myself but agaain i arent programmer

tight basin
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yeah i think the way the game handles different forms it would be the same thing
again i could be wrong but thats how i understand it was explained before
plus im assuming even if it was just diff forms it would cause an insane amount of lag

bold ginkgo
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agaain game is more fine already but it would be nice to have diffrent splicers for diffrent roles/ u want u basicaly make hybrid attacker/allrounder atm and u can make alternate splicers cheaper cost then orginals too

teal chasm
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No it wouldn't work, you'd have to introduce Pokémon with the same names/sprites but different base stats.