game-suggestions

[civic hornet]

I honestly just came in to say/ask if there is a way to impliment a in-battle typing element, because the system is kind of difficult for a boomer to understand with the body taking some stats and a part of the typing .. and so on. I read in game that some pokemon will break the type rules as well, like the starters. A in-fight HUD element with typing would be extra cool. Probably not the first to ask this! Currently in gym 1-2, gonna update on any other suggestions i can think of

[solar bison]

Since shiny Pokemon were added, glitter balls should be changed so they make Pokemon shiny

And if they are supposed to do that, they don't

[rough gull]

The point of shinies is that they're supposed to be rare. If you can make any Pokémon shiny just by catching them with a specific ball, then shinies become worthless

[solar bison]

Then please remove that ball

[rough gull]

why?

[solar bison]

It has no purpose then

[rough gull]

It gives the shine effect. It's just for cosmetics but it's more than what most balls do tbh. No one is forcing you to use it

[solar bison]

OK, it's just weird to have since it seems to me like it was there originally since shinies didn't exist

[rough gull]

It was added a while ago actually in version 2.0 or something, when shinies still existed. It was called the shiny ball and it did make Pokemon shiny (which was a bad idea in the first place). Then when I removed shinies, I renamed the ball to Glitter ball because while it technically made pokemon shiny, "shinies" just had the shine effect and nothing else.

[solar bison]

Pretty sure the NPC also said they make Pokemon shiny, so might want to check that

[rough gull]

hmm yeah I'll change that if that's the case

[jovial badge]

explain the actual differences between modern and normal mode in the beginning, rather than just suggesting beginners play normal

[tawdry drift]

Rather than having multiple HM tools we should just have a single tool that does it all like a Swiss Army Pokéknife lol but that would reduce game files hopefully

[solar bison]

That doesn't make any sense, that would just mean you can access all areas immediately, and I don't think like 6 items are what's taking up so much space, it's the over 176400 image files for the Pokemon

[tawdry drift]

No just make a watch or some electronic device then make it so instead of getting the original item when you are supposed to you just get a chip that is immediately installed, don’t even need a picture then. But yeah I know, we can’t get rid of those so we gotta find other ways to reduce space.

[solar bison]

That just sounds like an arbitrary change that doesn’t affect anything really

[eternal rivet]

i agree.

[tawdry drift]

Yeah probably haha just thinking, not all ideas are good unfortunately.

[mortal locust]

this is not coromon
all the HM stuffs are in one gauntlet

[tawdry drift]

Infinity gauntlet is what we need tho lol bend and snap

[celest patio]

That idea reminds me a little bit of what Inclement Emerald did by basically making HM's summonables from the gym leaders using the PokeNav. Sorta like how they were smmon mons in Alola. But agree it feels kinda unnecessary here.

[odd pecan]

A visual cue in viridian river for when mew shows up, for people (like me) who dont play with sound

[nimble leaf]

Button explanations in the controls screen

[solar bison]

Here you go

[grizzled pelican]

I just did this for keybinds on my standard xbox controller

[austere cove]

Is it possible to use the whole songs in combat? If copywright says no, then slight modifications would be nice so the song doesn’t loop halfway through

[mortal locust]

that's usual thing to occur in fangames/ROM hack

[rare flare]

@rough gull i remember you said you wanted the cries labeled before theyd be updated, made this zip in uhhh july? If you still want help with getting the updated cries

[rare flare]

oh yeah and if we don’t already have them yet (i forgor) can we get shiny patches in pokeradar chains since we have shinies now

[rough gull]

To be completely honest, I don't remember that at all

Why do the cries need to be updated?

[solar bison]

Aren’t the new cries just less compressed versions of old cries? And also Pikachu and Eevee saying their names

[rough gull]

Tf? They say their name like in the anime?

Not a fan of that at all

[odd pecan]

just pikachu

[solar bison]

Same

[celest patio]

they did in gen 7, p sure gen 8 changed it back to their original cries? or maybe that was just PLA

[solar bison]

I think they made Eevee do it too from Let’s Go Eevee onwards

[odd pecan]

Ye quick yt search confirms it ^^

[rough gull]

I guess I wouldn't mind updating the cries in IF if they're just less compressed versions of the old ones. Not gonna update pikachu and eevee though

[solar bison]

Use the SM Eevee

[rough gull]

Tbh I never saw the old cries as being an issue in the first place but I guess I can see it someone could find them jarring

[odd pecan]

old cries, computer jargon, new cries, computer jargon

[rare flare]

i put the pre-LGPE eevee and LA pikachu (the non-voiced updated cries) in there dont worry

[mellow jewel]

Old cries are better than most of the new ones honestly

[rare flare]

that’s your opinion

[mortal locust]

ditto

[solar bison]

I like the new ones

[mortal locust]

Except Pikachu and Eevee

[solar bison]

Yeah

[fleet basalt]

add dynamite somewhere so people on randomized runs can get through dark cave. My friend was given random items instead of dynamite and now cant get through or rebattle them

[solar bison]

Or just make those items specifically not randomize

[solar bison]

Add another exit out of Mt. Ember so you can't accidentally get stuck

(I forgot to mention that top boulder won't move, it's glitched)

[rough gull]

That entire place is probably getting remade eventually tbh

[mellow jewel]

the mini cave that requires flash in mt moon currently doesnt have any wild pokemon, so perhaps add the regular encounters there and also a 1% gible encounter? currently gible is postgame so i think it would be pretty cool to put in there

[patent storm]

an item like Pokeradar but for highlighting trainers who can be battled/rematched on the route

[teal chasm]

Legends or BDSP used more HD versions of Pikachu's original cry, so if you wanted you could swap it out for that. 😄

[rare flare]

i already put the la pikachu cry in the zip i posted

[hard idol]

An Item that allows you to switch your ability of a fused mon into a hidden ability of one of the two mons

[solar bison]

I think that exists, but those items are just bugged currently, as are hidden abilities overall

[patent storm]

what about egg move tutor?

[solar bison]

That’s in the Sevii Isles, you can access it after saving Silph Co.

[patent storm]

sweet. had no idea

[rare flare]

we already have the item capsule (broken in v5 apparently) but this is basically what the ability patch does in mainline right

[mortal locust]

Block the way to next floor in Pokemon Tower after Mr.Fuji scene.

[solar bison]

It is blocked

Ghosts prevent you from going further

[mortal locust]

then why some newbie still can get to the last stair?
Not newbie, i mean us, the player

[solar bison]

You’re still blocked at the that flight of stairs, why should it matter that you can reach it?

[mortal locust]

it makes newb confuse

[solar bison]

What do you mean?

[wraith urchin]

the download link for 5.0 isnt working?

it takes me to the google drive folder, but when I try to download the .zip file it says "download quota exceeded for this file, so you cannot download it at this time". are there any workarounds or should i just get 4.9.2 because that link is working.

[solar bison]

You'll have to use the Mega download link at the bottom of #downloads since too many people are trying to download from Drive currently; that's why it's there

[wraith urchin]

thank you!!!

[solar bison]

Change this dialogue since that's not how you get to New Bark Town anymore since you don't have waterfall yet

[rough gull]

Huh I thought I changed that already 🤔

[solar bison]

He said go to Goldenrod the first time I talked to him, but talking to him again he says this

[mellow jewel]

It’s their fault for not reading the dialogue

[night egret]

Add pokemon types next to the names in battle

[cyan plover]

Dear hotsquidward, due to size restrictions we cannot add any more Pokémon, please refrain from asking.

[solar bison]

This was suggested before, and I still would like that to be able to be turned off if it gets added

[night egret]

yea i think it would be a good option to have

[storm reef]

Could fusions of the same Pokemon get a 1.5x boost to stats to make them more fun to use?

[solar bison]

No, but they get boosted exp in the latest patch

[storm reef]

Is that something that might be possible in the future?

[solar bison]

The dev has denied it multiple times

[solar bison]

Maybe hard code Whitney's Chansey/Miltank to be female to reference her official Miltank being female and using attract and rollout

[winter thicket]

I plugged in a controller, and the buttons are all messed up. Adding an option to fix that would be cool.

[limpid bane]

Hit F1

[winter thicket]

o

[limpid bane]

It brings up the control menu to change it

[solar bison]

Also this is not the chat to ask questions in

[winter thicket]

sorry

[ionic parcel]

Well. It was a suggestion. A failed one but a suggestion

[solar bison]

Make this area part of route 36 instead of Violet City so you can actually find Pokemon in this grass

[teal chasm]

Make it a separate route with wild starters and legendaries.

[pine parrot]

Call it "Star Road"

[obsidian bronze]

giving a pokemon an everstone before fusion should prevent that half of the fusion from evolving

[solar bison]

Everstones already prevent fusions from evolving, what are you asking for?

[obsidian bronze]

lets say you have a charmander and venosaur, and you want to fuse them into charmander/venosaur but you don't want the charmander to evolve when the fusion levels up
if you give charmander an everstone before the fusion and then fuse them, an invisible flag is set for it that tells the game "the body of this fusion should not evolve"

[solar bison]

But a Charmander/Venusaur fusion already has the body fully evolved, and you can just give it an everstone so the head doesn't evolve
Also I think that just sounds like a very niche item most people won't use

[obsidian bronze]

it'd be nice quality of life for people that prefer some pokemon over their evolutions

[wraith urchin]

is there going to be a version for mac?

[eternal rivet]

no

[wraith urchin]

aw

[solar bison]

Um, you get waterfall both at the Sprout Tower and from Prof. Elm, since you also get the Golbat boots in Sprout Tower, I would recommend removing waterfall from there

[mortal locust]

suggestion: add percentage at window name while loading the game, infinitefusion (42%).
idk if this is possible, but other fangame i play have this feature

[solar bison]

It would be nice if Prof. Elm's dialogue changed after you catch Mewtwo, since he still just says "I can't trust you unless you get 2 badges; oh wow you got 2 badges, go catch Mewtwo"

[steel aspen]

think it would be nice it secret garden was always accessable...or put ralts somewhere else in kanto

[solar bison]

Ralts being in some places other than the secret garden and a single egg in Johto would be nice

[steel aspen]

just somewhere easily accessable

[solar bison]

A Pokeradar encounter somewhere later would make sense

[frigid fable]

I had my eyes on trying to get a Ralts early on, guessing that's not a viable option?

[steel aspen]

you have to do it early on, before brock in the secret garden

[frigid fable]

from what I can tell, it's an area somewhere between viridian and pewter then?

[solar bison]

Alright, now get out of this chat

[cedar atlas]

How can i Patch the Game?

[granite canyon]

Try asking in #tech-support, this channels for suggestions for things the game should have

[sonic mist]

this may be a little far thought and probably will never happen but what about adding a 'BST modifier' (max 600/620 BST) as a reward for something (I'm just putting something out here but like for beating the e4 and champion 500/1000 times)
(you can also make it extremely expensive to change a base stat of a pokemon)

since there are some fusions i really love but the BST isn't what I'm looking for it would be nice to be able to change it

you could also make it so that some stats can't be reduced (like health and speed)

(you have to reduce a stat and the amount you reduced from it you can put into a different stat)

[slender oriole]

If you can beat the E4 that many times you really don't need more stats

[sonic mist]

if you beat it the first time you can beat it again

[cedar atlas]

In which Sprite Pack is he

[solar bison]

You can unlock debug mode by catching all 420 Pokémon, then you can edit the Pokémon to be however you like

[sonic mist]

so like i can change the base stat totals types and abilities?

perhaps add ball customization (like in bdsp) and a ball changer (idk if it's already added or not)

this is a suggestion btw

[solar bison]

You should really ask in another chat if something has been added before suggesting it

Because that is in the game

[forest copper]

Make legendary pokemon respawnable

[solar bison]

Make Eviolite prevent evolution again, and also add that to the item description

[austere cove]

Perhaps add new pokeballs? It'd be nice to switch my Ultra balls out for stuff like Duskballs, and.... uh............ all the other ones! :D

[solar bison]

There are new balls, as well as ones like Dusk Balls

[austere cove]

I looked at a lot of shops, and at the pokeball exchange shop (to switch which ball you caught a pokemon in) and there was no such thing

[solar bison]

There are new balls you can buy in Saffron and Azalea

[austere cove]

I'm guessing that's after I fix the well in Azalea?

[solar bison]

Yes

[ashen lotus]

Allow players to use debug menu from the get go. Some people don't want play a super grindy game. and would rather be able to configure their playthrough BEFORE playing all the way through the game lmao.

[eternal rivet]

no. that defeats the purpose of playing the game

[solar bison]

Counterpoint: being able to use debug mode so you don’t actually have to play the game is not a good thing to just give the player at the start of the game

Also I was able to beat the entire game without any grinding, just fighting all the trainers in each area

[eternal rivet]

kids now days just want everything handed to them

[ashen lotus]

Counter Point: Then play the game as it is. The debug menu is pointless if the game is over. Stop malding that people don't want to experience the game the same way you do.

You literally have 0 say how someone plays a game stop acting like a child slug.

[solar bison]

You seem rather childish when just begging to be able to cheat and skip ahead to being high levelled and just insulting people who disagree

Very unbefitting of your pfp

[frigid fable]

wanting to use debug right off the bat instead of playing a pokemon game like a pokemon game defeats the whole point, what's not to get?

[mellow jewel]

You can use debug mode for the next playthroughs you make

[ashen lotus]

Why are you acting superior like you know what I want? I'm playing multiple run nuzelockes of this and I want to skip grinding and save my time for other things....

Y'all reddit mfers need to stop living in these channels telling people their ideas for a more customizable game are bad.

[solar bison]

"reddit mfers"

[ashen lotus]

Whateves not gonna argue in a suggestions chat. I suggested and now I'll move along.

[austere cove]

Caves tend to just have pitch black as battle grounds.. could we maybe change that?

[patent storm]

with how good a ton of the lower form evo fusions look I'd love to have this

[rough gull]

It used to be a thing and people complained constantly about it

[frigid fable]

about an item that was designed from the start to prevent evo's in favour of better defensive stats?

[solar bison]

I think if the item description said it prevents evolution too, then there would've be less annoyed people

[eternal rivet]

so eviolite?

[solar bison]

That's what he was talking about, read the messages above his

[eternal rivet]

oh

[celest patio]

A quirky but fun idea for it might be having an npc or mini quest somewhere that "fuses" an Ever Stone with an Eviolite into an Everlite, which has the function of both (boosts defenses and prevents evolution)

(or otherwise just make it a separately obtainable item)

[mortal locust]

me who rarely use both : 🍿

[mellow jewel]

That would be awesome

[austere cove]

Maybe fix up the textures for the whirl pools?

[mellow jewel]

Maybe replace the rock throw TM with rock slide TM? Rock slide is a very important coverage move and rock throw is… not

[azure flame]

wait, they gave rock THROW A TM? LOL

[mellow jewel]

yea idk why lo

[ember ridge]

Equipable item that gives more xp on rematch if the equipping pokemon was in battle

[quiet mantle]

Exp share gives bonus exp if the pokemon was in battle

[mortal locust]

Lucky Egg

[ember ridge]

I mean specifically for rematches and leveling

[solar bison]

It has been done, ALttP whirlpools

[austere cove]

Oh awesome, that is INFINITELY better! Now how do I download it?

[solar bison]

New patch just released with them

[lusty badger]

A trainer you can rematch on route 4 would be nice so you don't have to either train on lvl 9 Pokémon or run all the way back to the first half of Mt. Moon to train for the rival

[eternal rivet]

you can rematch any trainer

[solar bison]

Not any trainer

[lusty badger]

problem is there is no trainer on route 4 accessible at all before the rival fight
And the rival has a sudden level spike compared to Mt. Moon

[solar bison]

What about in Mt. Moon?

[lusty badger]

You have to backtrack through almost all of it

only trainers after team rocket is gone are in the first room of Mt Moon

[patent storm]

Replace the rest of the stock rpgmaker sound effects and music (example: Bellsprout Tower and Violet City Gym)

[cedar atlas]

can you add a funktion to the randomizer for items that cut out berry's? i suffeld 9 times and i still gain mostlikely berry's more than any other item

[ember ridge]

Cant we have a separate Torrent?

[mortal locust]

torrent?

[ember ridge]

BitTorrent. Magnet links. Crowdsourced downloads
dunno how else to describe it

Here an example https://cyberes.github.io/stable-diffusion-models/

[lusty badger]

the ability to register items like DNA Splicers would be nice

[mortal locust]

Hypno also have MEGA link iirc

[ember ridge]

Found the link and it worked

[steel aspen]

every hm has a replacement except waterfall, waterfall should have one

[solar bison]

It does have one

[steel aspen]

wiki should be updated with that

[odd pecan]

Wiki should be updated with that

[solar bison]

Yes, it is outdated in many places

[quiet mantle]

to bad most people don't help the wiki, I thought it was easy then I spent an afternoon writing one page and man hunting down relevant images from 2 years ago on various social medias like teaser images and exact details

[solar bison]

Maybe once my walkthrough of the game is finished, I can also help update the wiki

[quiet mantle]

Yeah there is also the different version to consider, since someone might still be playing on 4.2 and anothers are quoting stuff that they've experienced but might have since been removed from the game

[mortal locust]

I don't understand why ppl want HM replacement for every HM? 🤔 use your pokémon

[mellow jewel]

your team wont always be able to learn all the HMs though

[mortal locust]

hmm kk

[solar bison]

And most of the HMs aren’t good moves

Only really waterfall and surf are any good, but you’re only gonna want one depending on if you have a special or physical attacker

[sacred ridge]

the option to sort PC boxes by dex number

[celest patio]

I have experience with wiki editing, used to help with Insurgence's back in the day. Might just say fuck it and spend tomorrow doing a bunch of edits. Like actually filling out the gen 1-2 mons on the Pokedex page because it's bothered me for years lmao and it'd be helpful to at least have their locations listed somewhere.

[eternal rivet]

would you please?

[odd pecan]

Team duskull is over Howls is banished to the wiki mines

[solar bison]

I suggest making thunderstorms not flash so much in a row

[balmy fiber]

(idk if this has been suggested before) Having the option to have multiple save-files in-game without having to move the actual files around would be nice ig. Saves a lot of time

[grim abyss]

this and the porygon area, theres so much flashing it gave me a headache

[olive hare]

Hello, my game needs alot of time to start, is it normal ?

[solar bison]

Yes

Also this is not the chat to ask questions in

[mortal locust]

like ||Pokémon Wack||

[karmic birch]

I am getting this message after I start playing the game and walk like 100 steps. Anyone experience this or know how to fix?

[solar bison]

Also this is not the chat to ask questions in

[karmic birch]

I know, but literally nobody is answering me in the tech-support chat after posting it a few times. Just wanted to see if there was another option.

[mellow jewel]

Prob cuz nobody knows how to help

[karmic birch]

lovely

[mortal locust]

Dynamic Fusion for pokémon, so every encounter is randomized instead of mapped. If that too heavy/hard in programming, nvm

[solar bison]

Change this outdated dialogue in Boon Island dock

Also this outdated dialogue

If I find this sort of stuff, is there a different place I should send it?

[odd pecan]

just msg frogman directly

[mellow jewel]

Maybe just #overworld-bug-reports ?

[solar bison]

I already do that

[rough gull]

I don't know tbh. I would suggest overworld bug reports too, but the bug channels get so flooded with known bugs or stuff from earlier versions that's already fixed that it's really hard to find the actual bugs. It's an issue

If you could log them all in one place and send that to me at once it would be helpful

[odd pecan]

I suppose I could comb through #overworld-bug-reports and compile all of the bugs

[solar bison]

Maybe a single doc pinned in #overworld-bug-reports that I can add the inaccurate dialogue to

Maybe make this area not so bright red

[jovial badge]

repeatable way to gain karma, such as tipping clowns (if this is supposed to be in game its broken for me)

[solar bison]

There's a backpacker first seen in Ecruteak who does this

[mortal locust]

this area is way worse than Light theme discord, according to dark theme user

[fiery linden]

idk if its possible or not, but if its possible to make the game run at 1fps when minimized would be huge

[solar bison]

Don’t randomize the cell batteries in the power plant when random items is turned on

[cedar atlas]

hi small question. i would like to know how much ingame text the game has. would offer me if it is possible as a translator for into german. if nothing speaks against it.

i have already experience with translating. have in Sid meiers Civ 5 a star wars mod completely translated from english to german. and there were grandmaster yoda and the leader of the gungans in it(and we know what they have for dialects)

[solar bison]

I think there’s a French patch for an older version, so I’m sure you could do German if you took enough time

[cedar atlas]

and where do i have to look for the files and do i need special programs? for the mod it was just a XML, not sure if this is the same to your game.

[woven crane]

wennst irgendwo hilfe brauchst sag bescheid

[patent storm]

Is a scanlines filter doable in the engine?

[solar bison]

What does that mean

[patent storm]

scanlines visual filter as an option without need for a third party program

[solar bison]

But what are scanlines

[patent storm]

here's a good example

they're a visual quirk of old displays

https://twitter.com/CRTpixels/status/1550240724658135041?s=20

CRT Pixels (@CRTpixels)

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Sharp Pixels vs. SNES S-Video via JVC AV-20202

Pocky & Rocky fans stay winning in 2022. Nothing could ever replace playing original on a CRT for me, but the new Pocky & Rocky: Reshrined could probably get close.

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[solar bison]

Add the move reminder in the Sevii Isles Pokemon Centers

[cyan plover]

Dear Knuckles3&Knuckles, due to size restrictions we cannot add any more Pokémon, please refrain from asking.

[eternal rivet]

ya knuckles.

[mellow jewel]

Move reminder is my favourite pokemon

[wise pumice]

Add more fossil fusion like archeops and I can make them If you like I have experience in fakemon and pixel art

[verbal notch]

Dear @wise pumice, Archeops isn't in this game, and no new Pokémon will be added or changed because the game has reached its limit! All Gen1-2 Pokémon are in the game, and all Pokémon that are from Gen3+ (as well as their location and Pokédex number) can be found here: https://infinitefusion.fandom.com/wiki/Pokédex

[tranquil shale]

you would at least need rpgmakerxp for translating the npc texts

[solar bison]

I think dragon type fusions with the legendary birds should be able to learn the signature moves of Zekrom, Reshiram, and Kyurem depending on which combo it is

[mellow jewel]

From the special move tutor?

[solar bison]

The legendary move expert

[pine parrot]

can we get the bot to explain the Missing game.ini error to people

[eternal rivet]

#discord-suggestions

[pine parrot]

thanks, my bad.

[cedar atlas]

Well if that is all i need?

[tranquil shale]

i dont know about battle text, items, pokemon ect youll have to ask frogman himself about that

[cedar atlas]

Ok

@rough gull hi little question. i want to do a translation to german. and i want to know if i need a extra program like barafanatic say or if its just a XML. if its ok wiht you if i am doing this. and where i can find all the ingame texte

[pliant sun]

Suggestion #1 - I think that the bicycle theme should override the area theme. It's weird when I get on the bicycle, just for the music to get cut out whenever I enter a new zone. I also think that the theme should pause, rather than reset, when you get off the bike. At least for a minute, before resetting. Just due to areas that force you off, when you're only in there for a second. I failed to consider that this bicycle problem would be too niche, apologies.
Suggestion #2 - Pokemon obtained from Wondertrade should be differentiated from Pokemon obtained through in-game trades. So that the latter can be unfused at will. I understand why the former can't be unfused until post-game.

If anyone reads these, thank you for your time -- and I hope these suggestions are worthwhile and simple to implement.

[pliant sun]

Suggestion #3 - Allow players to pick their Pokemon's new nature from the Cinnabar guy. Since it can be savescummed anyway, and the random element is more of an annoyance than anything else.
Suggestion #4 - Slow down the in-game cursor, particularly when selecting a location on the map. I'd also suggest remaking the map entirely, so that it better fits a pixelated style -- but more importantly, so that it's more intuitive to use. Right now, it's difficult to figure out where everything is and difficult to get the mouse onto specific routes and such, to figure out where they are. Particularly Route 12.

Perhaps the cursor could speed up as you hold it down, or while at the map's edges.

Again, thank you reader, for your time. If my suggestions aren't feasible, for one reason or the other, I'd like your input. Thank you!

[cedar atlas]

https://prnt.sc/Zr4n4wWsbgkW change the horns to sword. otherwaise its sin-free to call it Sacred sword or am i wrong here?

[teal chasm]

For your first suggestion, every Pokémon game with a bicycle theme does it the way it is in IF, likely to prevent the music becoming repetitive and annoying because they're usually pretty small loops. I don't know if pausing the music is possible when switching to a new track in Essentials. 😅

[teal chasm]

The official games still say horn even though Aegislash can learn it. I mean if you think about it, a sword is just a flat horn. 🙂

[cedar atlas]

but why did they call it not horns in the first place? its seems so wrong to call it sword when it is a horn

[pliant sun]

Original games don't have the speedup function' I dont know about others, but I only use the bike for a few things, like hatching eggs or just because I specifically wanna hear the bicycle theme. As for the second part, fair enough.

[teal chasm]

It seems like a really niche thing to change just because one person wants it, though. A lot more (like me) would find it annoying. 😅

[rain bolt]

BIG SUGGESTION:
eventually add hoeoen to the game possibly?

[teal chasm]

No. Asking for another region is an absurd amount of work. 😦

[rain bolt]

fair enough, maybe could be a fan-fan project

i do completly understand but just had the thought

[cedar atlas]

we all hat😅 best region

[rough gull]

I do not plan on making a translation of the game, sorry.

[cedar atlas]

no i want to make one . you can post it as addon.if possible

[rough gull]

Translations need to be kept up to date and it's very limiting for me. You're not the first person to offer to translate the game and while I appreciate that you did, the answer is no, sorry.

[cedar atlas]

oh ok. well sadly but ok

[rain bolt]

Tourism mode:

option 1: you can pick any of the starters in game (i.e. from any generation)

option2: other regional pokemon apear in game from the start (without need for radar)

[granite canyon]

Oh, so option 1 is already a thing you can do, and option 2 is basically a component of Modern Mode

[mortal locust]

sugg #4 problem fix : Slow down while using the map

[mortal locust]

Did you reject my and moontah's suggestion regarding Dawn Stone and kirlia? Since gender system is kinda insane in this game, and Dawn Stone has no other function. (i understand if that's hard and can't be implemented yet)

[solar bison]

Because it was the signature move of Cobalion, Terrakion, Virizion, and Keldeo

[verbal notch]

Dear @solar bison, Cobalion isn't in this game, and no new Pokémon will be added or changed because the game has reached its limit! All Gen1-2 Pokémon are in the game, and all Pokémon that are from Gen3+ (as well as their location and Pokédex number) can be found here: https://infinitefusion.fandom.com/wiki/Pokédex

[cedar atlas]

ah ok. now this is understandabel

[solar bison]

I think the cursor speed is fine, maybe you’re just using it in superspeed mode?

[pine parrot]

I've been thinking about these empty areas, maybe you could put somthing there like a item (thats invisible) just to make it seem intentional

[solar bison]

But it’s not intentional, it goes in #overworld-bug-reports

[pine parrot]

I know its not and thats where I got it

[void birch]

Lmao

[proud niche]

is there any chance of alternate player sprites or even a form of simple character customization being implimented in the future? sorry if its already been asked

[eternal rivet]

you can do that by replacing the sprites in the folders

[ember ridge]

Advanced Pokeradar that lets you block half the known encounters -1

[solar bison]

What?

[ember ridge]

Lets say a place has 9 encounters, youve seen 5 of them, now you could while using this theoretical Pokeradar block 2 of those 5.

I was farming earlier today and Raticate got really annoying okay

[solar bison]

Add a way for Rayquaza to learn dragon ascent, since it appears he cannot learn it, yet Groudon and Kyogre already know precipice blades and origin pulse when you catch them

[cosmic rain]

Add Olivine city

[solar bison]

In the berry forest on Kin Island, make the Zoroark use Zoroark's overworld sprite instead of Hypno's

[solar bison]

Change the sprite for the spaceship parts, using the Gracidea is weird

[mortal locust]

uh, ig that's zoroark in disguise

[solar bison]

It’s disguised as a kid before that happens

[solar bison]

Replace this thing with the Deoxys triangle from gen 3

[zealous hamlet]

This has likely been brought up before, but I would really appreciate it if the area tab of the pokedex was brought back. I always forget where I can find pokemon in the wild.

Not to mention, it would be tremendously useful if it was coded to support saves with encounter-based or pokemon-based wild pokemon randomization.

[solar bison]

Change the Elite 4's dialogue when you rematch them after becoming champion

[mellow jewel]

Perhaps add volt tackle, Draco meteor and dragon ascent to the special move tutors in the sevii islands? (And also let rayquaza learn v-create from there too since it can legally get the move in real games)

[celest patio]

Just bite the bullet and update the base download with the most recent spritepack next update. It's literally just deleting and replacing a folder, I don't see why it has to wait a decade for the votes to be done. Surely it's better to do it now and just do it again when they finish, than people constantly being confused about errors that were fixed months ago.

[rough gull]

Have you tried looking at the last version?

The reason I didn't want to do it is that before we introduced the voting system, the sprites in the spritepack never got updated. So when someone made a fully custom badass sprite, sometimes it would never appear in-game because someone made a small autogen edit that took 15 minutes to make a year ago. There are typically 30-50 sprites of fusions that already existed in each pack. They're usually improvements over the older versions but if they were made before a few months ago, no one ever gets to see them in-game.

The point of having a different custom sprites folder in the base download was to try and showcase the newer, and usually better versions of sprites.

Plus the spritepack does some weird things like replacing the default Kirlia sprite with a version that has feet for some reason.

Anyway that's all in the game now since last version because I'm sick of people complaining about this and I don't give enough of a shit anymore

[lean heart]

spritepack fetish reveal

[mortal locust]

Any plan to increase shininess or shiny charm addition factor?
reason by @ember ridge : "But lets be real, this isnt competetive and youre not trading with others so theres really no point".
There's also some increasement method in moderm game

[spark lynx]

shinies are supposed to be rare. otherwise just use different sprites

[mortal locust]

I kinda agree and disagree with Argo's statement, just gonna read you guys' opinion on it

[ember ridge]

Ill copy what I wrote in talk
Yeah but I dont really keep playing a single file either way. I start new games all the time with new teams and the chance to see even 1 shiny in that entire palythrough is miniscule and the chance that its a shiny of a pokemon I even care about is even smaller

[lean heart]

If the shiny chance is too high, shinies won't be special at all so who'd even care at that point.

Making them rare is what adds to the excitement of finding them. Same stuff that happens in those weird mobile game RPGs.
Every enemy drops a TRILLION BILLION DAMAGE weapon and armor and every new drop is 10x better than the last. For what?
There'll be only so many shinies you can get excited about before it turns into "oh, another shiny? whatever."

[verbal notch]

Hey @lean heart! The game isn't made to be played on mobile! You can try to use Joiplay to run it, but the game will likely be very slow, glitchy, or downright unplayable. Nothing can likely be done about issues experienced on mobile, unfortunately.

No mobile version will be developed in the future, either.

[mortal locust]

hmm ok, that's what happened to me in another fangames whose shiny rate is 1/1024. I got 4 shiny already so if a shiny spawn, and the color is meh, i just kill it

[foggy marsh]

The gamblers' blackjack isn't real blackjack. The face cards aren't supposed to have higher values. They are supposed to all be equal to 10

[summer hornet]

ace can, however, be both 1 and 11 depending on whats needed

[foggy marsh]

yeah that too

[ember ridge]

also the gambler just straight up cheats, i dont remember the exact way but for example he just auto wins if you bust even though he coul still go bust too

Oh and he can draw again after he already held
Lets say he held at 16 you get 17 and now you should have won but he can just draw again for another chance

[rain bolt]

wiat option is already in?

[solar bison]

He just told you

[rain bolt]

i meant option 1

as i seem to have missed it

[simple cargo]

I don’t think I’ve been around when animated sprites worked so I was wondering if it was too complex to keep animated sprites in the game or if it is a temporary due to like an update bug or something, I learned to animate sprites recently and would love to make more for stuff other than contests so I was curious what the chances of them making a comeback into the game are

[solar bison]

I would like the ability to search through the PC, just by name's first letter or type would be fine, maybe also moves and abilities and such if possible

[gritty mantle]

I don't know if this is a bug or not, but typically when using thief on a wild encounter pokemon, you keep the item. I was farming for an Oval Stone from Happiny and when it said I got one, it wasn't in my bag. Is this intended?

[mellow jewel]

wrong channel but yes its a bug

[gritty mantle]

I assumed so, but also felt like it could be a suggestion. Sorry for posting in the wrong channel, thank you for clarification! 😄

[finite silo]

When you start a new game on version 5 you get asked "Do you want to use normal starters?" If you say no you're given the choice of gens 1-4, or custom. Custom allows you to pick two mons from the entire dex, and gives your rival a random fusion (as far as I can tell).

[finite silo]

It shouldn't be in your bag in the first place iirc, as it gets taken by your Pokémon. Thief will only take items if the Pokémon using the move has no held item

[rain bolt]

guess i missed it,ty

[eternal rivet]

i feel i should tell you there is an o[ption already that lets you pick ANY pokemon as a starter

[finite silo]

Aye, s'what I was telling him

[rain bolt]

rework flying gym in johoto, it is currently only done via audio cues

easier/alt path for ice gyme in johto

[slow zephyr]

can we please get a way to have infinite rare candies? I wanna explore all the different types of pokemon fusions, not grind xp for an eternity.

[mellow jewel]

You can buy rare candies from the battle factory

[slow zephyr]

i mean like for free

[mellow jewel]

Well if you want to do it for free, do rematches with trainers. It’s very easy to grind and you have x4 speedup mode too so it doesn’t take long

[slow zephyr]

oh ok

[cedar atlas]

I dont want to encourage hacking but since all the games files and stuff gets downloaded wont it be decently easy to go into it and change stuff like shiny odds or how many rare candies you get from an item? maybe im just making this up because I dont know enough about how code works

[solar bison]

Well, the game also has an unlockable cheating mode, just catch all 420 base Pokemon

[cedar atlas]

ah, I dont know enough about the game, I just like making the sprites 😄

[cedar atlas]

imagine if you had to get every fusion too 😳

[solar bison]

Also, if you wanted to level up without any effort, just play easy mode

That just gives you SwSh shared exp and makes poison not do damage outside battle, the opponent Pokémon are still the same levels

[molten marsh]

Seconded! A search function for the PC would be a godsend, especially when you have the DNA icons for fusions to mitigate lag, which makes identification a little harder at a glance

Like searching for a species of mon (base or in a fused state) and searching by markings

[solar bison]

Maybe change the sprite of the PC in the sewers that changes water level since so many people ignore it thinking it’s a Pokémon storage system

[kindred stump]

maybe add the ability to randomise pokemon abilities in the randomiser? It's a little weird that it's not already a thing

[cyan plover]

Dear SoI, due to size restrictions we cannot add any more Pokémon, please refrain from asking.

[rain bolt]

make it so posion doesnt fnt your mons outside of battle in normal mode (make em surive on 1 HP then posion goes away like main gmaes)

[solar bison]

Though the main games have it not affect you outside battle starting in gen 6 I believe

[gritty mantle]

My pokemon wasnt holding anything. Against only wild pokemon, it is picked up by the thiefing pokemon permanently in mainline games, that's why I brought it up.

[solar bison]

It’s already known that moves that move around items are bugged

[cedar atlas]

You should add mouse click for like battles etc and for clicking npcs options

[mortal locust]

play easy

[rain bolt]

i dont want EXP all on

[mortal locust]

then deal with faint outside battle. Modern game have exp all and no poison outside battle

[finite silo]

I think poison stopped fainting before XP all was a default.

In fact in older versions of Infinite Fusions poison didn't faint and there was no default XP All. imho Normal should follow new poison rules, and hard should make poison faint outside of battle

[pine parrot]

a rework of the map cause i cant find a damn thing on here

[mortal locust]

I was suggesting that and denied by community. Idk about the dev himself

[nimble bluff]

yo can rock smash be useful other than hm slave?

[eternal vigil]

It's good against rock pokemon in Mt. Moon.

[teal chasm]

This isn't really the place to ask that, though.

[rare flare]

Does Diglett and its fusions have its proper species immunity to Telekinesis? If it doesn’t, can that be implemented somehow?

[jovial badge]

postgame item like the golbat boots that allows you to hop over these one way ledges

[solar bison]

I think that would make a lot of areas have no challenge, like you can just jump to Mewtwo easily

[mint prism]

a way to change your mode (modern to classic)

[hearty imp]

get rid of pokemon encounters in the sky pillar im tired of the repel text screwing me over

[late hull]

after I install the game, it wont let me launch, Do I need an external app?

[cedar atlas]

no external app, go to #tech-support

[mortal locust]

haha yes, easy Volcarona maze

[lusty badger]

For the randomizer, the option to not randomize each cycle of the day on it's own but all together. Like a Rattata of route 1 should be randomized into the same Pokémon no matter what time of the day

[cedar atlas]

can we become a secont price for the safari zone? like 3000$ for 2500 stepps and 60-70 balls?

[jovial badge]

by postgame i mean like, post mt silver

[mortal locust]

same thing. That suggestion is already a thing back in v4.9. Mewtwo challenge was easy, i just wait until get all 16 badges and i have ability to jump ledge and encounter mewtwo easily. So basically your suggestion is removed "feature"

[lapis flume]

When fusing Nidoran male and Nidoran female evolines together make them genderless

[mortal locust]

gender is bullshit. dawn stone on any kirlia when?

[tranquil shale]

we used to have gender stones

[mortal locust]

genderstone doesn't work on my fused kirlia for unknown reason 😤, and it's female

[solar bison]

You can beat Mt. Silver and still not have done everything like Mewtwo or the birds or etc.

[solar bison]

We still do

[solar bison]

Make Dusclops evolve with the reaper cloth too, all the other trade holding an item evos get to do that

[hard fog]

Is it possible to add Manetric and/or Whiscash from gen3.Just a minor suggestion aha .
It makes me sad they are not in the game

[verbal notch]

Dear @hard fog, Whiscash isn't in this game, and no new Pokémon will be added or changed because the game has reached its limit! All Gen1-2 Pokémon are in the game, and all Pokémon that are from Gen3+ (as well as their location and Pokédex number) can be found here: https://infinitefusion.fandom.com/wiki/Pokédex

[hard fog]

clearly its not all from gen 3 smh

[solar bison]

Yeah, it doesn't say all gen 3 are in

[hard fog]

damn

[mortal locust]

no more pokémon, like bot said below

[cyan plover]

Dear Milofiktri, due to size restrictions we cannot add any more Pokémon, please refrain from asking.

[verbal notch]

Dear @mortal locust, Whiscash isn't in this game, and no new Pokémon will be added or changed because the game has reached its limit! All Gen1-2 Pokémon are in the game, and all Pokémon that are from Gen3+ (as well as their location and Pokédex number) can be found here: https://infinitefusion.fandom.com/wiki/Pokédex

[solar bison]

Why are there 2 bots saying this

[celest patio]

Probably because "more p*kemon" and also the emote with a species name in it

[solar bison]

But why both bots, we only need 1 saying it

[eternal rivet]

to make sure they get the message

[buoyant garnet]

Multiplayer like pokemon quetzal would be interesting

[eternal rivet]

no

it has been said it wont happen

[buoyant garnet]

I did not know this

[verbal violet]

how do i get the GS Ball? For 20 Quest or 40?

[eternal rivet]

40 i think. but this isnt the channel to ask

[verbal violet]

sry, which channel is it?

[eternal rivet]

#playthrough-talk

[verbal violet]

thanks!

[solar bison]

Do we need to add a definition of "suggestions" to the chat or what?

[celest patio]

Nah nobody will read that either lol. This just comes with the territory of having a suggestion chat unfortunately.

[hard sand]

put change controls in the options menu bc f1 doesnt work for some people

[mortal locust]

some ppl still suggestion for more pokémon, so yeah nobody read it. Good job bot 👇

[cyan plover]

Dear Milofiktri, due to size restrictions we cannot add any more Pokémon, please refrain from asking.

[ocean fox]

I think some character customization would be cool, even if it were just some simple color changes to your player

[mellow jewel]

You kinda already can do player customisation via swapping out the players files with other ones

[kind hatch]

Could the Differences with the official games page on the wiki have added to it that all tm's are reusable? or an early npc that lets you know that they are?

[cedar atlas]

F1 actually does work for everyone if you do it right

[mortal locust]

huh? tm are resuable in official game. the one-used one is called TR

[kind hatch]

they're actually only reusable from gen v to gen 8, with gen 9 being confirmed to going back to single use tm's

since the game's region is based on FRLG I thought tm's would follow those rules till I got rock smash as a tm and checked the discord with the search bar

[mortal locust]

hmm never know that 🤔

[solar bison]

But the game mechanics are based on gen 5 and 7

[ocean lily]

Man the wiki really needs to be kept a bit more up to date if the game itself is gonna be so vague with instructions. Theres been a lot of times where there's been 0 in game directions on how to progress or even worse, incorrect outdated instructions, and I've had to look through the wiki to just play the game. But its double bad when the wiki itself is also either just not specific in telling you what to do, or again even worse just entirely incorrect because the feature it references or the event it tells you to do is just not in the game anymore. Like I really like this game and its probably one of my favorite pokemon fan games all time, but man I dont think I could ever get my friends into it without first compiling like a whole ass document of info they'd need just to play the main story, not even mentioning secret stuff like legendaries with obscure mechanics you can only find out about from sources outside the game.

[mortal locust]

wow

[solar bison]

Well, I’ve made a walkthrough and am almost done with it if that will help

[rough gull]

tbf rock smash should be a HM since it's necessary for progression but it's just a bit annoying to retcon. And HMs and TMs are functionally exactly the same anyway

[solar bison]

Especially since you can forget them at any time

[eternal rivet]

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[thorny raft]

swap the typings on volcarona's fusion forms because the bug typing is on the ones that dont look like a bug meanwhile the fire typing is on the one that looks like bug

[solar bison]

I think both look like bugs

[thorny raft]

i just used meganium as an example

[eternal rivet]

still both look like bugs

[thorny raft]

but the other one looks more bug

[eternal rivet]

volcarona has no visible fire traits anyway

[mellow jewel]

i agree tbh, it would also be helpful because there isnt many bug types in the game with bug as their secondary type so it would help create more bug type body fusions

[mortal locust]

same with joltik line and spinarak line. Probably any dual type bug in general

[eternal rivet]

there are not many mono-bug types though

[celest patio]

Yea with like Ariados and Galvantula, I think the spider body shape makes more sense for the bug typing than the features on a different body shape.

[mortal locust]

hmm yes. Take in example joltik/anymon is yellow, but it's not electric, and anymon/galvantula is arachnid but it's not bug (in pokemon arachnid = bug)

[solar bison]

I still think Ferroseed should be changed to steel/grass to be consistent with Ferrothorn being changed to be steel/grass

[odd pecan]

An update man in the Viridian pokecenter would be nice

[eternal rivet]

i agree

[mortal locust]

next one add the update man in pallet town , our dad is The Update Man all along 🤣

[mortal locust]

maybe change/add misty text to "You can use CUT anywhere. But you need CUT HM to doing so"

[cyan coral]

Hey, does anyone know if there’s plans to add new Pokémon to the rom?

[cyan plover]

Dear Shadow_Squires, due to size restrictions we cannot add any more Pokémon, please refrain from asking.

[mortal locust]

you should know it earlier by reading #fusion-faq

[plush pivot]

Not gonna shut up about this anytime soon

[hollow fulcrum]

any1 know what to do with heart scale ?? Ive found 10 of em and I dont know howto use it

[mellow jewel]

Wrong channel

[hollow fulcrum]

ah mb which channel I go

[cedar atlas]

#general

[patent storm]

given that the game is built around gen 7 mechanics, would it be to busted to have the Gen 9 changes to hail in this game?

[mortal locust]

they just changed to gen 7 like a year ago, and It's kinda hard to migrate, afaik. So i don't think they gonna do it again

[patent storm]

I'm a big fan of the way gen7 operated minus z moves so I've been very happy, but the buff to hail I think would fix ice types if retroported. so not like a full update, just that mechanic. I'm not sure if that would be game breaking or not though

[mellow jewel]

i think it would be fine, delibird is the only mon in IF that has snow warning

[mortal locust]

a suggestion, add waterfall in Dark Cave instead of dynamite. So getting waterfall in Bark Town isn't an optional stuff anymore. Maybe add it at explosion site. Or add both of them

[lucid skiff]

Aggron should have its typing switched around, it makes a much better body stats wise and if the typings are switched it would pass down steel as a body

[cedar atlas]

I think thats just the way it is in the game

[mellow jewel]

aggron heads are covered in metal and are grey like typical steel types though, so i dont think it would make much sense

[cedar atlas]

yea passing down the steel color makes more sense, rock is still hard so the body still makes sense too, so I dont see a need to change it

[molten marsh]

Not sure if this has been suggested before but the option to have modern mode or custom starters should be shown at the beginning for everyone, not just for people who start a new game after a save file already exists on the user’s computer. Think it could lessen confusion

[jade cloak]

Post-game, in the hotel in Blackthorn, a lady is staying at the Hotel and gives you her dead mom's Lucario for an old necklace.. I think that's like really messed up. I appreciate the Lucario but the implications of that are super rough.
It's stated her mom died when she was little, and this lady is staying in a hotel somewhere all by herself meaning she's probably had this Lucario that was her mom's for years and has bonded with it. On top of that, Riolu is a friendship evolution so it was probably a family pet and beloved by the entire family. Imagine your mom dying and you give up your family dog for a necklace. That's fucked up lmao.
This Lucario will be emotionally damaged for the rest of its poor life. Abandonment issues central. I'd suggest maybe removing the dialogue that implies the Lucario was her dead mother's. It's a great bit of character development and fleshes out an NPC which is great but I just couldn't imagine giving up the family pet for a necklace. 💀
Idk if its intentional or not but like it makes me feel bad for the poor thing.

[mellow jewel]

I honestly can’t tell if this is a joke suggestion or not (please don’t kill me)

[molten marsh]

It would be really cool if certain non-hm field moves also appeared via the registered menu like HMs did. Like morning sun and moonlight, for example. While they have field effects, you have to open the whole party menu to use them, rather than using the shortcut registered item menu to use something like, say, fly

When a player opens the map, it shouldn’t auto focus to the johto side every time when used. Makes it tedious imho, and made me practically avoid looking at any maps unless I had to like when flying. Perhaps this can be fixed by making the visible area of the map center on the player’s location? Or center on the continent the player is currently on? Like if a player opens a map interface in pallet town, the map will be focused on kanto.

[jade cloak]

I'd love a "Are you sure you'd like to flee?" from legendaries. Have accidentally run from an embarrassing amount of encounters at this point. Idk if it'd be possible to do for only legends, but I can suggest and dream, lol

[runic iris]

00

[thorny raft]

just curious but is there a possible thought to pick ur type combination in the future?

[tepid pike]

as of right now there is no plans to do this, as far as I know - some pokemon had their types intentionally flipped for balance, so it's just something you'll have to think about when fusing

[honest epoch]

it would be cool as hell if you could fly from the Silph Co 11th floor after beating the birds, kinda like the top of dragonspiral tower in bw

[cedar atlas]

well you kinda can if you keep trying to walk through the hole there

[solar bison]

That hole gets patched up later anyways

[honest epoch]

oh i didnt know that, nvm ;u;

[patent storm]

colress got too chilly

[patent storm]

let us jump out of the window after it's boarded up and leave a trainer-shaped hole in the boards looney tunes style

[honest epoch]

i approve this suggestion, nvm what i said this is way funnier

[jade cloak]

Would love to see Pay Day added to Persian's learnset (at level 12/with move relearner - the level gets it in Gen 8), I know the game uses Gen 7 learnset but its real annoying that it loses it when I fuse it if I decide to unfuse it later.

[wild prawn]

curiosity about the oaklab_custom, is that a seperate lab for each starter variant, or is it just 1 lab that can inject any of the mons for the 1 ball?

[eternal rivet]

most likely the second one

[cedar atlas]

bro I read that as oak slab and was confused why we were talking about minecraft

[wild prawn]

use move relearner, in the game for a reason

unless for some reason relearner doesn't give it? it should though, relearner normally has those kinds of moves in the list

[jade cloak]

Pay Day is not in Persian's move relearner, it's only in Meowth's after level 30, after it evolves, its not there anymore

(Which is exactly why I was suggesting it)

[patent storm]

I've had this happen with flygon and boomburst, since vibrava can learn it but flygon can't

[mellow jewel]

just needa make sure you check movepools

[rain bolt]

(not sure if in yet) but gym leaders/E4/Champions from other regions (like cynthia) as a sorta open (non)-quest [the quest is just a personal challenge to find and beat them all]

rebattleable in the same locations

so cynthia could be in tojo falls (on way to MT silver), Alder (who is in atm) could be found beind the komnono girls building

[patent storm]

Dragonair/Dragonair/Dragonite and/or Dragonite/Dragonite/Dragonite fusions for Lance as a reference to his original gens 1 and 2 lineups (for rematches?)

[solar bison]

But he does use some fusions that involve Dragonair and Dragonite already

[patent storm]

would lance say no to more dragonite?

[solar bison]

Gen 1 only had those because they were the only dragon types/

When we not only have many more dragons, but also fusion, it makes sense to not just have 3 of the same Pokemon

[mellow jewel]

in a pokemon summary screen or something, perhaps there could be a button to toggle being able to evolve on and off. This would helps heaps because although the everstone exists, you cant make your pokemon hold any other items with it

[mortal locust]

well, literally that's oak's lab 🗿

[mortal locust]

just press X

[solar bison]

But having to do that every time you level up can get annoying

[mortal locust]

so there's no purpose of everstone then if that suggestion is added

[mellow jewel]

delete everstone then

[mortal locust]

I have no issue in evo canceling in official game even without everstone.
Just. Press. X. (or whatever cancel button is)

[harsh badge]

everstone is used in breeding, so if Frogman decides to delete it then something else should take it's purpose like eviolite perhaps

and yea, pressing X every time is really annoying because you have a whole screen appearing with a few messages that you have to skip. it's like a whole cutscene every time your mon gets a lvl

I'm glad that in IF eviolite prevents evolution like everstone does, although eviolite is rare and everstone isn't and that's everstone's another point

[solar bison]

It's not "like" a full cutscene, it just is a full cutscene

[solar bison]

Eviolite doesn't prevent evolution in 5.0 since a couple people complained about it and he thought removing that feature would be better than just adding "it prevents evolution" to the item desciption

[harsh badge]

huh, a little weird but ok

[mortal locust]

hmm 🤔 idk why is that annoying? on some point at this game i had Torterra (torchic/torterra) and i use X always, no everstone or eviolite (v4)

[solar bison]

If you can't see why it's inherently annoying, it probably can't be explained to you

[harsh badge]

additionally, if people tell that something is annoying and it isn't for you personally, it doesn't mean that it stops being annoying for other people

[mortal locust]

less annoying than fainting outside of battle

[solar bison]

That certainly is an completely unrelated reply

[solar bison]

Just gonna bring this up again, also might be worth checking if the more Pokémon that evolve in similar ways don’t work like this

[patent storm]

perhaps there could be a new item that fills this same function?

[mortal locust]

eviorstone

[celest patio]

I had a suggestion for that here last week that I still think would be a neat addition

[mortal locust]

suggestion : Blessed Egg, basically Lucky Egg, but more multiplier. Obtained late game for level up high level pokémon easily

[stone moth]

compatibleMoves << :STEAMERUPTION if canLearnMove(:ERUPTION) && hasType(:WATER)

Why Lapras/Typhlosion fusion cannot learn this in boon Island? Typhlosion can learn eruption and Lapras is a water type.

[clever basin]

Idk if anyone noticed this, but when de-fusing (on the PC) the game asks twice if you want to defuse

click defuse
"Are you sure?"
yes
pick DNA Splicer
"Defuse pokémon?"
YES AGAIN
pretty small detail, but it gets annoying since the default option for the second time is "NO". after I confirmed I wanna defuse the first time I usually spam A to get over with it but end up cancelling it

[mortal locust]

some no-yes option is reversed. Yeah that's kinda annoying. I reset my karma and buy team rocket meal because no-yes option are reversed

[wild prawn]

stupid suggestion, but could we maybe make splash less of a useless joke move by giving it 5 pp so it quickly becomes struggle?

[mellow jewel]

Would be better to put this in #bug-reports-newest-version

[stone moth]

Thanks for the answer

[cedar atlas]

Very ambitious, but i always found secret bases from pokemon emerald an awesome thing.

[clever basin]

add a 1% chance to 1 HKO

[willow furnace]

Suggestion:
A way to implement Rotom Forms without ruining fusions:
So, basicly what I was thinking is that rotom/ rotom fusions would be able to use stones, but instead of needing a new sprite it would instead give the sprite a outline of the color of the "form"
It could use a scrypt to save a lot of space and it could give rotom fusions better stats.

[jovial badge]

kinda like arceus ability to switch types with a held plate?

[narrow willow]

Add a quick save key, it helps a lot

[solar bison]

You can do that from the menu, the quit option

[noble dagger]

pleasepleaseplease let me unfuse my traded pokemon

[solar bison]

You'll have to wait until Violet to pay 50000 to do that

[solar bison]

Change the battle factory option of "open level" to
"level 100" since that's what it actually is

[azure hatch]

Add Petilil/Lilligant- nvm

[verbal notch]

Dear @azure hatch, Petilil isn't in this game, and no new Pokémon will be added or changed because the game has reached its limit! All Gen1-2 Pokémon are in the game, and all Pokémon that are from Gen3+ (as well as their location and Pokédex number) can be found here: https://infinitefusion.fandom.com/wiki/Pokédex

[drifting jacinth]

a search function for the pokedex would be a nice thing to have

[mortal locust]

already a thing. "D" ig

[proven tulip]

Stop time in battle
Edit: in game time progresses in battle.

Also being able to find pokemon habitat in the Pokedex. Showing the hybrid locations too and if something like a crazy fusion isn't obtainable it'll say Artificial Species or Extinct in the Wild

[solar bison]

I remember he removed Pokemon locations from the dex since it would crash with randomizer

[proven tulip]

on randomizer it should say "no peeking" to prevent problems like that
disable on enablement

[wild prawn]

might it be possible to have them as a text tab in the dex, instead of a locational map? like just saying "route 23, day", or "route 4, pokeradar"

[solar bison]

I’m not a dev, I wouldn’t know

[odd pecan]

wrong chat for this

[wild prawn]

petition to make youngster joey in modern use a rattata/rattata? i know that makes him weaker, but even if it was just an extra mon in his comp, i feel like it would be funny and fitting

[odd pecan]

#tech-support

[solar bison]

Make it so you keep the magic boots after unlocking them and making a new game

[mellow jewel]

some pokemon in gen 6-7 get stat buffs but these buffs arent in IF, so adding them would be great (especially since a lot of the buffs are on weaker pokemon) for example in gen 7 farfetch'd got its attack boosted by 25, but it still has the pre-buff stats in IF

[proven tulip]

make rivalry, cute charm and attract and captivate work on other genderless pokemon when used by a genderless

[solar bison]

They don't work like that in the official games though

[proven tulip]

say that to this guy here

this isn't original pokemon
the more we change the more it holds up in court
we could also give every fusions body the gender and engender almost all fusions. One or the other
fanfics get to change things on the merit of the "whos holding the pen" rule

[wild prawn]

less of a suggestion and more of an ask, when the spritework is all custom (as long as thats going to take), are we going to get rid of all the auto gen'd images to cut down file space?

[solar bison]

They will never all be done

[wild prawn]

can mawile get some stat increases so it's not so bad? for context, absol, another mon that doesn't evolve at all, has a stat base of 465 compared to mawiles 380. just feels like using mawile, aside from the cool look, is often a horrible choice.

[mellow jewel]

mawile despite its low stats is still pretty good, has steel type or fairy type for fusions and intimidate + lots of coverage both physically and specially

[wild prawn]

but in almost every case people just take a different mon for fusions because of it's super low stat base. feel like an increase of even just +10 or +15 would make it way more noticed. basing this on seeing several people in the last few days want to use mawile, but then calculating it and seeing it's worse than say, steelix/clefable

[solar bison]

The fact that some Pokemon aren't super OP has been and is always going to be a part of Pokemon. Why should only Mawile get special treatment? Why not also make Sunflora have 650 BST since some people like Sunflora but don't use it since it's weak?

[wild prawn]

we have limited mons in this would be why. people are willing to overlook sunflora because it's abilities give it a strong edge and it breaks the 400 bst margin, making it not exceptional for fusions, but also not largely detrimental. I know giving special stat treatment would be a slippery slope, as it could be argued over for a lot of mons, but in the case of mawile, i feel like a small change to make it less of a massive detriment when fusing would make it significantly more liked, without changing balance much more than "mawile doesn't get discarded 90% of the time". nothing so severe as the +225 bst that you used in your example, just something to hit/break the 400bst total

the only thing I see strongly going for it is the abilities and nice move/type split, as moon said, but even that is kind of overshadowed by just how severely lower it's stats are compared to the other mons you could choose for fusions. in most cases, when people want the ability, they'll just move to say, salamence/luxray/krookodile, and when they want moves, they'll take other steel or fairy types for their fusion, because mawile doesn't really have anything great going for it. Absol has 465bst with Super Luck/Pressure, Ditto can transform, Smeargle sketches, but mawile is kinda just... there. not looking to suddenly make it "good", but bringing it to a point where people who want to stick it on something but are scared off by it failing to even just hit 400bst is something I think should be done to make it more justifiable here, because it's a bit weird to have a mon in the game that most people are avoiding using.

[lusty badger]

Could we get earlier access to dusk stone at least for modern mode? I get that it's balancing for classic mode but modern mode really doesn't need that.

[cedar atlas]

Adding the Regi family. Ice,rock,steel and normal

[solar bison]

“Add more Pokémon”

[cyan plover]

Dear Knuckles3&Knuckles, due to size restrictions we cannot add any more Pokémon, please refrain from asking.

[harsh badge]

Regigigas is already in the game

[quiet mantle]

Have it so that Premium Wonder trades explain that trading is based off BST

[solar bison]

He was asking to add the other 3

[harsh badge]

He mentioned adding the normal regi, which is already in the game

[solar bison]

But he also said add the family and listed the other 3 types

[harsh badge]

He listed 4 types all together tho

[cedar atlas]

I meant alongside the normal regi that we have

[eternal rivet]

still wont happen

[mortal locust]

check add more pokemon 👇

[cyan plover]

Dear Milofiktri, due to size restrictions we cannot add any more Pokémon, please refrain from asking.

[cedar atlas]

Lol

[wild prawn]

any ideas for more tms in the future? or is that a no?

[mellow jewel]

I assume there will be more

[proven tulip]

Instead of the stupid trash can puzzle just make us fight over leveled electric pokemon out of a hat (like randomly selected fusions you determine)

[mortal locust]

A stupid suggestion: When you "die" from Silph co building, you'll spawn in Pokémon tower safety circle... (or purify?) 🤔 but nobody is there (use different map). Entering any stair teleport you back to Silph Co

[solar bison]

You don't actually die though, it's just your imagination

[latent beacon]

Nah trash can puzzle is a 25 year old classic

[wild prawn]

petition to rename "secret forest" to "hidden forest" so less people think it connects to "secret garden"? have had a lot of people confused about that one

[glad gorge]

Can a route guide be implemented which shows the what Pokémon and their encounter rate for each route?

Nevermind I think I found something

[robust yew]

A map rework. Its not nice to navigate and you cant find anything.
I needed to google where route 12 (Kanto) was again because i wasnt able to find it on the map

[cedar atlas]

im sure if someone made a good one they would use it

[cloud ridge]

Would be nice if the TM for Poison Jab was obtainable :)

[solar bison]

And the other unobtainable TMs

[mellow jewel]

And replace the rock throw TM with rock slide

[rough gull]

Which TMs?

[candid kernel]

Hello, I'm really enjoying the game so far but I'm curious as to why some fusions don't offer ability options for the abilities of the pokemon being fused. For example, I just fused a poliwhirl (water absorb) and a slowpoke (own tempo) and neither of the ability options I received for a fusion were either of their former abilities. Is this intentional, a bug, an oversight, bad luck, etc?

[granite canyon]

It's intentional. The way ability choices work are detailed in the #fusion-faq

[cedar atlas]

Possible changes to the game

Change some of the same Pokémon fusions into their Scarlet/Violet paradox forms type wise||(with Galade/Gardevoir fusion being the Iron Valiant)||

[mortal locust]

No more pokémon 👇

[cyan plover]

Dear Milofiktri, due to size restrictions we cannot add any more Pokémon, please refrain from asking.

[harsh badge]

I think they meant turning self fusions into their paradox forms with megas like type change

Although, I think we should

1. Wait at least a couple of months to not spoil them too early. Not all people can play the game early
2. Consider them regional forms, not megas, and regional forms don't change their types in IF anymore

(tho, I didn't open the spoiler and idk if they suggested adding more mona or not, sorry if I messed up)

[solar bison]

Also the example they gave is the only one of its kind, all the others are based on single Pokemon, so it wouldn't make sense to change types

[mortal locust]

maybe you can request a sprite about gallade/gardevoir that resembles ||iron vailant|| in #sprite-requests. but only sprite, it's still psy/fai

[cedar atlas]

I didn’t say anything about adding, I meant change the types of some of the fusions already in the game lol

As for the Gallade/Gardevoir fusion, the ||Iron Valliant is a Fairy Fighting, not Psychic/Fairy||

[mortal locust]

oh ok. I don't think that'll be added too. IV is the only ||Paradox pokémon|| that resembles 2 pokémon at once

[cedar atlas]

Fair, but the other ||Paradox Pokémon|| would still be a good idea since they are only 1 Pokémon… tho the ||Donphan Paradox|| would be hard to pick which one to do since there are different versions

[mortal locust]

fuse donphan with something steel type

[cedar atlas]

I dont know why I continue to click on the spoilers even though I havent gotten far into the game

[red cargo]

hey how do i get umbreon

[cloud ridge]

u mean like finding a wild one or how to evolve eevee into umbreon?

[red cargo]

evolve

[cloud ridge]

also this is the wrong channel for in-game questions

[red cargo]

sry couldent find a diff one

were do i find in game questions

[cloud ridge]

there's no specific channel but ig anywhere but the problems category. that's more for like bugs, technical issues and suggestions, not in-game questions or questions abt the game

[mortal locust]

how evo eevee, oof wrong channel

[wild prawn]

is there plans to change the description for teleport? Currently it still says that it just takes you to last pokecenter, which I think is what confuses people about it being a fly substitute

[void cedar]

Teleport is a fly substitute?? :0

[robust yew]

For me teleport says it can bring you to a previously visited pokecenter

[wild prawn]

that would be the reason you need the same badge as fly to use it, which is surges

[harsh badge]

Guys, this is not the questions channel. You can ask the game related questions in #playthrough-talk

[wild prawn]

When we're at the point where we add more special modes to the game, I think it might be interesting to have a variant of classic mode where every trainer (Including gym leaders) uses a full 6 mon team

[primal holly]

Off the top of my head, the Return TM is unobtainable

[mortal locust]

Return TM get thanos snapped

[zealous mulch]

Maybe add the Paldean forms as alts you can toggle on instead of proper fusions? They're fun to have but it feels more canonical to the game to end up with a proper fusion of the two same mons rather than a regional variant

[mortal locust]

the sprite is possible. Like i requested hooh/salamence to resembles ||roaring moon|| recently

[harsh badge]

wait, really? I just found it in on Route 15, but it's v4.9, maybe in v5 it's different

[primal holly]

It is 🥲 (as in it's gone)

[mortal locust]

Return move itself is deleted from the modern game

[primal holly]

Return = Dig

[wild prawn]

return is not deleted from modern game, off the top of my head, lopunny gets it from evolving. i'm positive there's other mons that get it too, but that alone is proof it's still in the code. would love if the TM would make a comeback

[rough gull]

Well sure if you randomize tms. That's definitely where return is

[primal holly]

That screenshot does not have randomized TMs (nor items)

[rough gull]

Are all tms off by one like this? Do you get return instead of psychic in Saffron city?

[primal holly]

I haven't gotten to Saffron yet, but I'll check asap - what I do know is that I've gotten Draining Kiss in the new area of Mt. Moon and Fire Charge North of Cerulean, so I don't think it's something that affects all TMs.
It's just Return that has always been Dig in v5 as far as I can remember

[wild prawn]

At the very least, TM 57 in Power Plant is Charge Beam, so that much is fine as well

[dull hound]

There very much needs to be more Rock TMs, especially Stone Edge and Rock Slide

[primal holly]

The Psychic TM in Saffron is fine

[mortal locust]

Lemme check. i don't randomize TM

TM28, Dig

[rough gull]

Very strange

[bitter relic]

One suggestion I have is the ability to have more than one save file. That way if you want to say do a nuzlock but you don't want to delete your game to start over you'll be able to. I know it's not the best example but it is one

[proven tulip]

You could call it the viridian meadow

[wild prawn]

might be a bit misleading given that it is a forest still, and viridian forest cant be it's name either cause that's already a place

[proven tulip]

pallet forest?

idk what I do know is that either Misty's goldeen jiggly should be female, or give it a different ability like water veil

[wild prawn]

if tm 86 still isn't in the game (can't say it's name cause the bot thinks it's explicit, will nickname it Grass Lowkick), I feel like this would be a perfect spot for it, right outside celadon gym/sewers

[mellow jewel]

Grass knot?

[wild prawn]

yea when i said it earlier i got a pop up saying it was explicit, don't know why it lets you say it

[solar bison]

grass knot?

[halcyon drift]

any chance of goomy and there evolution line being added?

[verbal notch]

Dear @halcyon drift, Goomy isn't in this game, and no new Pokémon will be added or changed because the game has reached its limit! All Gen1-2 Pokémon are in the game, and all Pokémon that are from Gen3+ (as well as their location and Pokédex number) can be found here: https://infinitefusion.fandom.com/wiki/Pokédex

[last imp]

Is the azumurill/slaking from the cinnabar challenge supposed to have truant? Wouldn’t huge power make more sense?

[eternal rivet]

azumaill head doesnt get it i dont think

[last imp]

Possibly more of a bug, but if you reverse a fusion it maintains it’s ability, so my azumarill/slaking has huge power because it was originally a slaking/azumarill…

[eternal rivet]

ya. thats a bug

[flint apex]

If possible and/or not too much work, a hue randomizer option could be neat. On second thought maybe that'd be a bit much and unnecessary but I'll still post the comment for your consideration.

[eternal rivet]

i doubt that would happen

[wild prawn]

hue shifting is curently how shinies work because otherwise we'd have an absurdly higher amount of sprites, not sure if it would be the best idea to play with that script further, would likely be confusing and graphically buggy

[vivid crag]

Not sure if this is where this goes but y'all should add poochyena 👉👈

[verbal notch]

Dear @vivid crag, Poochyena isn't in this game, and no new Pokémon will be added or changed because the game has reached its limit! All Gen1-2 Pokémon are in the game, and all Pokémon that are from Gen3+ (as well as their location and Pokédex number) can be found here: https://infinitefusion.fandom.com/wiki/Pokédex

[vivid crag]

Oh haha thanks!

[restive pine]

Some Pokémon should have custom Rex entries same with custom sprites

[solar bison]

https://tenor.com/view/august-dinosaur-trex-gif-18012191

[mellow jewel]

🦖

[restive pine]

I meant loke

[harsh badge]

I don't remember if anyone already suggested it but boosting Hidden Power from 60 to, let's say, 90 won't break anything since Unown by itself is really weak and will help Unown fusions stand out with a better typeless HP. A 60 power move that can't have a STAB doesn't feel useful or special at all

[mellow jewel]

That’d be awesome

[solar bison]

But you should also remember you can teach a hidden power of a specific type to any Pokémon using the tablet in the Ruins of Alph

[mellow jewel]

Yea but only in the postgame

[primal holly]

Since Unown's Hidden Power is likely coded separately, it might not even be necessary to give everyone access to 90 BP HP. Just Unown and Unown fusions

But yes this would definitely be awesome for those unfortunate Unown fusions

[primal holly]

Suggestion: make TM72 Volt Switch available in ways other than the "catch 6 Voltorb" quest. Battle Factory perhaps? That sounds late enough for it to be a reasonable tradeoff to either get it way later or earlier but in an annoying way. It'd also be helpful for people who play randomizers and may not have Voltorb spots where to catch them

[eternal rivet]

the voltobs in the power plant dont change though

[lusty badger]

Could you prevent getting the same nature again?

[cedar atlas]

Be less careful I guess

[primal holly]

You can randomize static encounters too now

[cerulean gazelle]

Is the ability ball broken or something? When I either fuse a mon or evolve a mon caught with it it loses its hidden ability. Some mons (I.e nidorino) just don’t get their hidden ability outright

[wild prawn]

yes

[cerulean gazelle]

That makes so much sense lmao. It’s already been reported I assume? Also my b thought for some reason this was the game questions thread

[wild prawn]

yea

[zenith edge]

I thought they took out hidden Abilities

[solar bison]

They're just bugged right now

[mortal locust]

No, he didn't. Just not being implemented to recent version. Ig it is, but no indicator

[wild prawn]

it's supposed to be guarenteed on shinies in v5+ and always selectable in fusions, but it only sometimes shows up on shinies and has all sorts of issues with fusions. very bugged.

[mortal locust]

how can you know that? 🤔 chardub informs u?

[hexed falcon]

Make volcarona less likely to flee, and maybe add a puzzle before their room

[solar bison]

I think the maze is puzzle enough

[wild prawn]

was answered several times previously in response to people being confused about what happened to hidden ability swarms from v4, while the "always selectable" was a direct statement in the past, though now that i'm looking it seems like that one has been completely abandoned in favor for the ability capsule system, which i still don't think is working properly either?

[solar bison]

Please stop talking about it here now

[hexed falcon]

ability to sort bag

[green geyser]

if you can please add a confirmation when you try to close the tab, accidentally just clicked on the X ;-;

[solar bison]

Skill issue

[livid bridge]

a quick load hotkey would be pretty cool, make farming shinys easier

[solar bison]

You mean a quick load other than selecting the quit game option in the menu?

[teal chasm]

As in soft resetting? 😮

[livid bridge]

@solar bison yeah

would make my horrible method of farming like this easier

[lilac plank]

hey so I don't know where this is supposed to go, but the fact the rhyhorn can move on its own and get stuck here when you're trying to get the item to replace the strength HM is genuinely fucking bullshit. I spent 10 minutes waiting for it to move on its own hoping it might get itself unstuck

[rough gull]

You're supposed to use strength on it, not let it move in its own, but it's bugged at the moment and it won't let you use strength on it. What you can do as a workaround is use strength on one of the boulders near the start and then you'll be able to move the Rhyhorn

[lilac plank]

No that's not the issue, I was able to push it with strength, but in between two pushes, it decided to move to the right and get itself stuck

[green geyser]

why do you have to be outside to use HM teleport? makes sense with fly, but not teleport.

unless its some sort of balance thing?

[wild prawn]

think it's actually a code thing rather than a balance thing with how interior and exterior areas work

[green geyser]

also cant use escape rope in seafoam islands for some reason

[tranquil shale]

they just both use the same function for simplicity sake

[green geyser]

fair enough

[rough gull]

Because it's just an alternative to fly and allowing players to fly from anywhere would break everything

[mortal locust]

that's skill issue/j
but seriously, this thing is a "feature" of all Essential pokémon game 🤣
even whole application

[solar bison]

You mean to say that the x in the top right closing the game like it does for every application is a feature?

[eternal rivet]

no shinies replaced hidden abiliies in v5

[cedar atlas]

To bad there won't be anymore updates besides bug fixes would've loved to explore hoenn with this feature

[eternal rivet]

there will be updates. just not adding pokemon or regions. (shut it bot!)

[solar bison]

Now that I think about it, I don't know if Frogman wants that known yet

[eternal rivet]

i wouldnt tust you farther than i can throw you

[mortal locust]

yeah, I'm hoping there'll be hoenn journey too. if not all, probably just 3 or 4 towns of Hoenn and a pokémon level 80+ area for grinding easily.
At least we got Sky Pillar

[solar bison]

No, nothing like that will be added

[wild prawn]

any possibility of adding the contest hall minigame stuff, or is that on the list of "not gonna happen"?

[hexed falcon]

your mom has unique dialogue after completing the dancing quest in the saffron club

[sonic pilot]

Linux support

[thorn slate]

how can i add back safari music from 'removed' folder?

(Or what if i can add my own music 😏)

[toxic drum]

not sure if I'm allowed to do this or is this the right channel for it,
But I notice that hidden ability are not detected during pokemon fusion so I tried exploring the source code a bit and found out that the original code in the PokemonFusion.rb which I commented seems to be accessing wrong index,
in the original code, the index is [0] means its comparing the ability with first ability in the list
from what I understand reading part of codes, HA are placed at the end of the list so it should instead compare the ability with last ability in the list instead which is [-1]

I changed the code and now I can fuse hidden ability properly, but still not sure if this might effect other things since I don't really go through all of the codes

[tranquil shale]

neat

[fierce shore]

Any possibility for bottle caps / gold bottle caps from gen 7+ to appear in this game? They force IVs of a pokemon to be 31 so that you don't have to breed Pokemon to have decent mons. This is especially useful for legendaries because it gives you an option other than resetting the game until you get a legendary with good IVs

[wild prawn]

i doubt it, you can already get IV's up very quickly by using super splicers and destiny knot with breeding

[fierce shore]

Do super splicers use highest IV per pokemon?

[wild prawn]

Would like if we could add agility tutor/tm

[wild prawn]

I know icons for fusions aren't really a working thing, but instead of just having the split/dna strand, could we have an option to just use body/head sprites for fusions? so a shinx/budew could appear icon-wise as just one of those two instead of the split or dna?

[solar bison]

Or maybe the body on the bottom half and then DNA on top

[tranquil shale]

the half/half ones had been removed tho because they impact performance alot

[solar bison]

Maybe the body icon and then a DNA splicer in the background for it

[wild prawn]

I just think the ability to have them be either body or head sprite completely would be nice. shouldn't affect performance much either because they're already in the game

[primal holly]

Perhaps the DNA could appear in a similar vein to the statuses? So you'd have the body icon + the DNA "status"

[wild prawn]

I don't think that'd work coding wise cause of how statuses work

[wanton haven]

Should try and put in an auto nozlock mode

[primal holly]

Pokemon idle infinite fusion RPG survival craft roguelite

[tranquil shale]

i dont think it should be too much of a problem to edit the party menu so it shows a dna symbol as well as long as the mons dexnum is higher than 420

[verbal notch]

That is not an IF Pokédex number. :eyes:

[wild prawn]

the coding issue is because of how that space on the screen, the status slot, works. it draws an icon in the slot based on if there is a status there, icon dependent on status. i'm not sure if a status could be made for the fusions that would still allow for an actual status effect to be applied, because if i remember right, "has status" is a binary check, with the later check of "if yes" being what looks for and draws the icon. this is all based on modding other stuff though, haven't toyed much with this game's code or looked super deep into it

[tranquil shale]

just dont make it a status, I said how to

[wild prawn]

ooooh i get what you're saying now, my bad. misinterpreted that

[primal holly]

Since choice items have been added to the Battle Factory shop, please consider add Wide Lens and the other "less powerful but potentially niche" items that were only accessible through the Viridian Trainer House to it as well

[wild prawn]

maybe make tipping the clown a certain amount of money (like 1,000-10,000) give karma so people have a way to farm both positive and negative karma?

[primal holly]

Tipping clowns already gives you good karma afaik

[wild prawn]

does it? maybe that means the wiki should be updated with that then, never mentioned

[harsh badge]

I believe there's already a way to farm both positive and negative karma by giving directions to a traveler or something

[wild prawn]

yea, i thought clowns did nothing because it's not mentioned in karma page, but i guess that's already a way to farm positive. the traveler for negative is well known

[harsh badge]

They increase your mons friendship I believe (although it's only useful for Return I guess)

[mortal locust]

you guys increasing karma?
* laugh in gettin Mew from team rocket
(oh sorry, it's game-sugg channel )

[solar bison]

I think it should be changed so special mode is not an option and instead it just shows single species mode since that’s the only one, so people stop asking what special mode is without even selecting it

[odd pecan]

Or make another special mode

[primal holly]

I think it should be changed so the script that makes randomized Champion battles super awesome is also applied to the E4

[solar bison]

What script? Does it make them fully evolved or something?

Also do it for Gold

[primal holly]

Yes that's the gist of it as far as I know. I do believe Gold and the Champion are the only ones that have it in place, so Gold's covered at least.
It would be nice to have later gym leaders in general sport fully evolved mons in my opinion, but that's me. The E4 feel like higher priority than that

[cedar atlas]

add codes

[solar bison]

I also think it would be nice if the elite 4 rematches had a full team of 6 and their dialogue changed to acknowledge you're already champion

[ionic flare]

It would be great if pokemon with poison heal didn't take poison damage outside of battle

[eternal rivet]

no pokemon takes poison damage outside of battle anymore

[wild prawn]

that is only on easy mode?

[eternal rivet]

oh. maybe?

[mellow jewel]

yes it’s only on easy mode

[last imp]

Not sure where this would go: There is a patch of grass without any encounters between route 36 and violet city. It seems to be considered part of violet city.

[harsh badge]

I think overworld Poison damage should be removed completely if the game wants to stick to gen 5 or 7 mechanics

[primal holly]

Give wild Drifloon a chance to be holding the Balloon item 🎈
(perhaps even Drifblim, but I don't think there's any in the wilds)

[twin scaffold]

add hitler
hitmonlee/chan/top and stanler/kingler

[green geyser]

in the normal games you get a premier ball for EVERY 10 pokeballs you get, not just 1 if you get more than 10

[solar bison]

That's not true, it works the same as it does in this game

[green geyser]

you sure?

hm

[harsh badge]

This is a gen 7 or 8 feature

Before that, you had to buy 10 every time you want a premier ball

[green geyser]

ah

i never really payed attention to it back then i guess

[solar bison]

Definitely not gen 7, that’s the last one I played

[void cedar]

I never even knew they changed it, I always buy in batches of 10 xD

[primal holly]

I think it works like that at least in gen 7 (because I knew about that updated mechanic and I never even touched Swish). But at the same time the premier ball is also the worst-looking ball ever so why wasting coding power on getting more of them available

[solar bison]

It doesn't work like that in gen 7, it was added in Let's Go apparently

[primal holly]

I am very confused... the only explanation I have is that it might have been a QoL introduced in some hacks too and I've simply never noticed (as I haven't played anything past USUM in terms of official games, including Let's Go). Good to know though, thanks Knucks 👍

[wild prawn]

if it doesn't already, could we have new game+ save pokedex progress? that way people can know all the fusions they've done across their playthroughs

[mortal locust]

also make completing pokedex easier

[solar bison]

I feel like he doesn't want you to be able to cheat like that to complete the dex

[wild prawn]

uh, wasn't thinking about it for completing unfused dex, but that is a fair point to be made.

[mortal locust]

recent NG+ already make pokdex completing easier. I don't what it become more easier, tbh

[primal holly]

Countersuggestion: do the above but disqualify NG+ playthroughs from achieving dex completition the same way activating randomization does? This way we'd get the best of both worlds with both persistent pokedex and not cheating unfused dex

[karmic tiger]

Even though you carry over pokemon with ng+ they dont count as having seen or having it until you get them again so i dont really see the point

[proven bramble]

rewards for completing the pokedex

[mortal locust]

Boots

[solar bison]

You get the debug mode boots

[proven bramble]

wait whar

[dapper root]

altaria (testing the bot response dont mine me)

altaria

swablu then

[verbal notch]

Hey @dapper root! Just so you know, Swablu isn't in the game! Unfortunately, no new Pokémon will be added or changed because the game has reached its limit! All Gen1-2 Pokémon are in the game, and the Pokémon that are included from Gen3+ (as well as their location and Pokédex number) can be found here: https://infinitefusion.fandom.com/wiki/Pokédex

[jaunty shuttle]

👀 mind if i suggest something now, or are you still testing?

i believe this was already suggested before but, would be good to make so when randomizing the shops, it has a guaranteed pokeball and splicer

[mortal locust]

wait where's alcremie bot? eternatus???

[verbal notch]

Hey @mortal locust! Just so you know, Alcremie isn't in the game! Unfortunately, no new Pokémon will be added or changed because the game has reached its limit! All Gen1-2 Pokémon are in the game, and the Pokémon that are included from Gen3+ (as well as their location and Pokédex number) can be found here: https://infinitefusion.fandom.com/wiki/Pokédex

[dapper root]

alcremie dead, everything is yanmega now cept for some dyno things

[verbal notch]

Hey @dapper root! Just so you know, Alcremie isn't in the game! Unfortunately, no new Pokémon will be added or changed because the game has reached its limit! All Gen1-2 Pokémon are in the game, and the Pokémon that are included from Gen3+ (as well as their location and Pokédex number) can be found here: https://infinitefusion.fandom.com/wiki/Pokédex

[jaunty shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/waah-waa-sad-wah-waaah-gif-25875771

[mellow jewel]

I’m pretty sure frogman already implemented that into the game

[solar bison]

Only the splicers, not balls

[mellow jewel]

Ic

[solar bison]

Icy

[jaunty shuttle]

ow i see, i didn't saw the newest patch, tough i can't dowload it because of mega

[odd pecan]

does your comp hate mega?

[jaunty shuttle]

no, but mega hates me

[odd pecan]

i cant believe mega man would do that to u
anyway we're offtopic so ima be quiet now

[restive pine]

Make where shops sell ethers

[eternal rivet]

no

[solar bison]

Why would you say no? It is dumb that there’s no place to buy PP restoring items, always has been

[wild prawn]

I think, personally, that E4 shop should have Ethers. So people who run an attempt, use ethers, and fail dont have to reload save or be weakened for later attempts (even if I personally will likely never use em)

[mortal locust]

you can gather Leppa berry

[restive pine]

Where can I find those

[harsh badge]

Sadly, randomly on bushes, because there's no berries growing system either cuz the game's based on early gen

[primal holly]

If it's unfeasible to add a hotel-like bed to the triple battle lounge, how about have it refresh itself (as in, move forward to the next theme/reward pair) once you get in, beat all three trainers and then get out?

[rocky epoch]

lower lickytung's chances of fleeing in the safari its so annoying

[void cedar]

i caught a lickitung by catching a nidoran fusion with it XD

[rocky epoch]

literlly catching axew is easier than lickitung

[solar bison]

I think you were just unlucky

[void cedar]

Yeah i caught a chansey on my first ball, it's just luck

[rocky epoch]

[rocky epoch]

wait arent there diffrent odds for diffrent mons?

[void cedar]

there is but just because something is.. let's say 1/4 chance to run away, it's like rolling a die, you can roll it 10 times and there is a chance, albeit small for it always to land 1

[hasty pewter]

Simple suggestion, a big update dedicated to polishing and quality of life additions. Been noticing some more small janky stuff like weird collisions, tiles missing collision, etc.

[wild prawn]

that's been like, update after update. that is the entire focus of the patches for several weeks

[hasty pewter]

Well I do have another suggestion and thats making a seperate keybind for opening the menu instead of it sharing it with the cancel button

[rustic siren]

Trading

[hasty pewter]

Though really I think it'd be better if the control scheme was completely redone to be more similar to like, one of the GBA emulators setups. It's what most fangames go with rather than having confirm be Enter and unable to be changed when it'll usually be Z, or having cancel also share the same function as opening the menu.

[solar bison]

F1 to change controls

[hasty pewter]

That's the issue, you can't change the confirm keybind, it's stuck to Enter. You also can't seperate opening the Menu from the cancel button.

[solar bison]

It’s C for me, not enter

[hasty pewter]

oh I'm blind because it says Return not Enter. That really just leaves the issue of no seperate binds for Cancel and Menu.

[solar bison]

Why exactly do you want that?

[void cedar]

Yeah i agree no separate keybind for menu is annoying :U

[eternal rivet]

not going to happen

[wild prawn]

Can we make foresight work on the special types from the post-game fusions? Bit annoyed on modern/hard that i just met one and can't hit it with the mon i wanted to cause of that loophole

[mortal locust]

what's foresight effect?

[solar bison]

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Foresight_(move)

[wild prawn]

Allows ghost types to be hit with Normal/fighting moves, and ignores targets evasion boosts. On Paldiatina, I still couldn't hit it with Normal/Fighting cause of the special typing

[nova granite]

Is there a way to mod this game potentially? Like adding my own trainers, and swapping already existing Pokémon out for custom ones? I know this game is made with Essentials and I would be interested to add my own things if possible on my own

[primal holly]

In the past mods were created for version v4.9 and below, so I'd expect that v5, whilst using a different base engine than v4.9 (hence why the old mods don't work), would still be moddable by anyone who knows what program to select after clicking "Open with..." on the main game files.
||Disclaimer: I am no such person ||

I.e. Not too long ago someone posted a screenshot of them changing two 0s in the game files to -1s and whabam: (allegedly) fixed Hidden Abilities!

[mortal locust]

poof!

[nova granite]

Isn’t this game made with Pokémon Essentials and RPG maker? I have both, so I wonder if I can open it in there

[crimson phoenix]

I have a good suggestion! Maybe an switch version for hacked switches like an nsp or nro rom for switches or an Gameboy advance rom so you can play it in retroarch

[eternal rivet]

no

[crimson phoenix]

Why not?

[solar bison]

Obvious reasons

[eternal rivet]

because the game itself isnt a rom

[primal holly]

I suggest a port of this game for my microwave, a la DOOM

[eternal rivet]

no

[tepid pike]

I'd suggest a save auto-backup since it looks like some people are getting inoperable saves, recently. Doesn't have to be much, just renaming the previous save to (savename)_backup instead of straight overwriting it during a new save, if possible

[solar bison]

Isn't this a backup save?

[tepid pike]

certainly looks like one lol, maybe I'm dumb

[patent storm]

ask the makers of rpgmaker to allow targeting the switch for available platforms to build for

[mellow jewel]

You can mess around with that kinda stuff in debug mode

[harsh badge]

This is kinda crazy suggestion and I expect it not to be taken but decided to bring it up anyway
Once we have all heads sprites done for a specific Pokemon, maybe we should consider replacing files inside the whole autogen folder for this mon with custom sprites? We already have 4 of such Pokemon, 1680 sprites total, and we have teams that are getting there, so I thought that getting rid of these mons autogens would slowly but surely save up some memory, as 176k+ autogens + 30k+ custom sprites are taking looots of space

[solar bison]

And also remove all the image files that the game doesn't actually use and just came with Pokemon essentials

[rustic siren]

2 legendary fusion sprites

[mortal locust]

#sprite-requests

[remote patrol]

Should have the Glitter Ball actually turn the Pokemon shiny instead of just give it the sparkle affect.

Also, the special Balls (Virus, Perfect, Glitter, etc.) don't affect eggs hatched with them and definitely should.

[void cedar]

Shinies aren't in the game currently

[frail copper]

They are

[solar bison]

That was already refuted

[remote patrol]

Refuted? It does not turn them shiny. The color doesn't change. Just adds the sparkle affect shinies have when they enter battle.

[remote patrol]

Then Glitter Balls are worthless, since they have such a crap catching rate.

[void cedar]

Sparkle effect tho

[tardy coyote]

Idea : Treat Pokemon fused with a copy of themselve as a whole new pokemon to be fused with others

[remote patrol]

Sparkle affect by itself is just annoying. Takes longer for the Pokemon to come out in battle and slows everything down.

[pine parrot]

add Crack to the game

[void cedar]

Don't use it I guess xD does more than the moon ball at least

[remote patrol]

Moon ball has higher catch rate for certain Pokemon. I do like the Virus Ball though. Just wish it worked on eggs hatched with it.

[void cedar]

Moon ball has higher catch rate with pokemon that evolve with the moon stone, xDD seems pretty useless IMO

[pine parrot]

of they were going to add them they should be about 999,999 poke-dollars

[eternal rivet]

thats makes no sense.

[tardy coyote]

so does triple fusion then

[solar bison]

No

[eternal rivet]

but that will resalt in an actual special pokemon

[mortal locust]

[solar bison]

Triple fusions are clones of the original 3 Pokémon, plus they can’t be fused with anything

[mortal locust]

you can copy your pokémon using nincada method

[eternal rivet]

that isnt what he means

[sudden gust]

Ok, not sure where to put this, but I'm going to be charitable and assume it's an unfortunate coincidence. I've seen 3 trainers give $1488 as prize money, which is a concerning amount of Nazi imagery to be... well, anywhere. I'm not sure if this is hard coded or if there's some sort of formula, but it's a shocking pattern.

[eternal rivet]

were the rocket grunts?

[sudden gust]

No

[mortal locust]

i never know this and I'm pretty sure Chardub doesn't care either. That's just a number

[wild prawn]

It's just a formula, always has been. Please lookup how mechanics work online before you jump to extremely grim things, otherwise you'll end up thinking most things have bad connections when they don't. https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Prize_money#NPC_Trainers

[sudden gust]

Ok, thank you for alleviating my concern

[solar bison]

Make Ralts available somewhere else besides the secret garden and a single egg in Johto

[mortal locust]

random suggestion : in national park

[remote patrol]

x4 catch rate for those Pokemon, x1 like a standard PokeBall for everything else. And it looks cool. Glitter Ball has x0.2 catch rate. Way too low to be worth anything, in my opinion. Maybe if they increased the catch rate to at least x.5 and gave the ball a cooler design other than yellow.

[wild prawn]

mayhaps the real suggestion here (given that some people go full rocket and premier for style) is to raise glitter ball to use a 1x catch rate, since it has no actual effect on the caught mon

[rough gull]

I'm pretty sure it's already a pokeradar encounter somewhere

Route 34 I think

[wild prawn]

Just checked, Kirlia is on Pokeradar Route 34

[solar bison]

I didn’t expect Kirlia to be found in the wild

[void cedar]

Change nothing about the ball but make it look nicer 😎

[remote patrol]

Even that would be ok. Maybe gold and silver with gemstones lol

[solar bison]

This is not a chat for questions

[craggy musk]

Apologies, which chat should I use?

Credit to @wild prawn for the help,

Would it be feasible to make it so that starter self-fusions can keep their original typing?
Example: Charizard x Charizard loses its flying type and that's kind of a bummer.

[wild prawn]

venusaur also loses it's poison type if it self fuses

[muted crypt]

Suggestion: fix the goddamn tm27 for return and not dig

[solar bison]

What do you mean?

[muted crypt]

Return shld be available on route 15, but the code fked up tm27 is registered to return and dig so the tm on route 15 is dig instead of return

[solar bison]

You sure you don't have random items on?

[muted crypt]

Yeap 100%

[eternal rivet]

that has been a commonly reported bug.

[wild prawn]

This is a known thing that frogman already commented on being a mistake. Will likely be fixed soon

[muted crypt]

I went to look through the code, there’s tm27 on 2 different rows for items

[rustic siren]

make the battle arena symmetrical

[solar bison]

What?

[jovial badge]

rain dance/sunny day changing the weather when used outside of battle?

[last imp]

The diving spot with the wailord north of cinnabar: the area where you can dive to exit overlaps grass so it isn’t very visible, could it be moved a bit? I saved before fighting the whale and couldn’t find the exit afterwards. I left with the debugger and went back to check if there had been an exit, and found that it was just hard to see.

[cunning dust]

Yooo I got a hell of an idea I'm surprised didn't get implemented yet. DNA Implants: let's you either add or replace an existing pokemon typing to whatever you want but doesn't change the move pool for simplicity sake. Works on pokemon with two types as well but only replaces a typing as having a pokemon with 3 types would be busted asf

[cyan plover]

Dear SirButtlet0fTheSevenSeas, due to size restrictions we cannot add any more Pokémon, please refrain from asking.

[cunning dust]

It would be useful for situations like this and provide extra spicy customization options for team building.

[eternal rivet]

that sounds like an idea for a different fan game

[cunning dust]

why?

[eternal rivet]

because the game is meant to focus on fusing.

[cunning dust]

Yeah that's why type fusing could work too

The game already has insane potential for team building. Why not add a little more?

[eternal rivet]

more features isnt always a good thing

[wild prawn]

here's the issue I see: either npcs have that too, and type matching becomes extremely confusing and frustrating, or they dont, at which point the player has a massive tactical advantage in custom typing

[cunning dust]

Make them rare then. Or Hella expensive, so players will want to use them on pokemon who need it rather then go wild. They could also work as a special quest reward

😦

[void cedar]

game has enough going for it, doesn't need more things for the sake of it

[stuck jay]

my note is more just its not just about create whatever ya want but their can be some fun with working within restrctions to achieve the result ya want, when anything can be anything it starts to lose meaning

[mellow jewel]

Mhm working within restrictions is something I love to do

[last imp]

It would be nice if new game+ left the moveset on Pokémon. Or at least all the moves that the prevolved mon could learn. Really I think you should keep your (non-key) items and Pokédex progress too, but I think there is general sentiment against those.

[solar bison]

Do you realize how many moves a Pokemon learns? Did you want it to just randomly select moves from the learnset and teach it those?

[lean heart]

Don't be fooled, this game is propaganda

[verbal notch]

Hey @quick reef! The game isn't made to be played on mobile! You can try to use Joiplay to run it, but the game will likely be very slow, glitchy, or downright unplayable. Nothing can likely be done about issues experienced on mobile, unfortunately.

No mobile version will be developed in the future, either.

[fiery elk]

Add missingno please

[fiery elk]

Oh, didnt saw that, srry 💀

[wild prawn]

Can New Game + keep shiny charm if you got it? little bit sad that it isn't

[primal holly]

I'm late to the party, but this seems like an amazing idea! Saving space and making the game prettier at the same time?

Would there be any downside to this beside the loss of the autogens, which are hardly a loss and would still be available online on the japeal generator anyway for people who are really adamant about them?

(alternatively, to shore this one "downside" the removed autogens could be included in a subfolder of the "Alts" folder in the big sprite pack?)

[oak canopy]

can i ask a question for my team?

[solar bison]

No, this is not a questions chat

[oak canopy]

oh ok, i asked in general but nobody there gave a flying **** about the question and kept going their way

[solar bison]

That happens sometimes

[mortal locust]

countersuggestion : Remove Sprite Pack from main download. So if ppl want to get a nicer sprite, download the "DLC" (sprite pack) . Also Knuck suggestion below this msg i replied

[wild prawn]

mmmm, not sure if newer people are going to want to have to download more stuff. seeing how they tend to not read, I feel like that would cause significantly more "Why doesn't my game look like theirs? I have to do things? What I dont understand"

[mortal locust]

They need Ability Patch for that

[primal holly]

I think it makes sense to have the main download (not patch) updated to the latest sprite pack at the time it was released. The idea being that this is building towards a complete main download that includes the whole updated game and all 176k 100% custom sprite, which I think is far superior than to build towards a two-packs Ikea-style finished game that requires to be assembled

Remember that any unnecessary extra step added to a procedure, both in-game and pre-game, is a potential drop out moment for a new player

[solar bison]

I do think each game update should have the latest sprite pack at the time, but the fact that someone is too lazy to download a folder and copy paste those images into a game folder doesn't seem like something that should be a concern

[primal holly]

Some kids around just want to play pokemon and are barely allowed to open ONE download link on the internet and have to convince their big siblings that there are non-virus games from outside Steam. Doubling the amount of necessary links to play is just spelling their disaster

[teal chasm]

That seems like a really niche issue.

Especially when the base game is meant to include most of the sprites at the time, I'm pretty sure. 😮

[primal holly]

Update: apparently I was wrong regarding "the script" being applied to Gold as well. It is not 🥲

[dusty meadow]

Game is lagging

[stuck jay]

#sprite-requests @hollow wadi, in fact already a thing I think

[solar bison]

This is a suggestions chat

[velvet ridge]

give a flygon and krookodile? a custom sprite (mabye both but just one ig)

[solar bison]

#game-suggestions message

[cedar wind]

Socialite Eda on route 7 should give a quest to bring her a sun stone to make her Glooeon feel better instead of doing rematches.
Possibly have her reward you with 3 full heals and being able to fight her evolved pokemon in a rematch?

[solar bison]

Pretty sure it already evolves after you battle it enough

[wild prawn]

maybe then have her give a reward for rematching her until it evolves?

[cedar wind]

I just thought bringing her a stone would be more thematic and fun.

[mortal locust]

A sound/indicator when it screenshots (F8) would be nice

[primal holly]

Please don't remove rematches from the route 7 granny as she's one of the four best grinding spots in the entire game

[wild prawn]

is there any chances for more static mon encounters, like the absol? i think they're very cool ways to get rarer pokemon.

and if not, would we be able to have more trades with npcs in-game?

[tight mason]

not sure where to suggest this but for the fusion calc would it not make sense to add a button that turns the pokemon shiny or not?

[cyan plover]

Dear gryder, due to size restrictions we cannot add any more Pokémon, please refrain from asking.

[solar bison]

There are several others already

[wild prawn]

no no, I know there are several, I was asking if adding even more was considerable. Was thinking about that after the prior ralts talk.

[cedar atlas]

Meteor Mash Lucario and Jirachi would be cool

[solar bison]

Maybe add the blank plate from Legends so Arceus has plates for all 18 types

[harsh badge]

idk about the others but I personally always get super confused on which color is the selection color, white or red. like, white is the default text color so you expect that this is the selection color, but red stands out so much and you think that this is the selection color, and both versions are equivalent which creates confusion.
I'd suggest making a non-selected option gray so you can still read it but it blends more with the background and you automatically understand that this isn't a selected option

like so

[nova granite]

Since SV came out and people are making sprites that either are exactly the same as some new Pokemon or have design elements from them, is there a way to put those sprites in a separate “SV spoilers” sprite pack instead of bundling them with the newest pack? Thinking about if somebody doesn’t want spoilers but wants the newest sprite pack

[harsh badge]

yes, this is exactly what we decided to do, except we'll put them in a separate folder, not a separate pack

[nova granite]

Awesome, thanks man

[ocean shard]

Yoooo an overworld sprite reload feature added to the debugger would be amazing. Having to save/reload when the background doesn't want to load the overworld sprites is pretty tedious especially when there's no way to start a battle.

Not really sure how common that bug is, but I pretty much encounter it 100% of the time when first entering Vermillion woods, bike shop, interior rooms of the SS... so many places...

[solar bison]

I've never encountered it, I wonder what causes it

[ocean shard]

I'm pretty sure it's my system, I'm playing on a janky old chromebook LMAO

[floral jungle]

Remove the Police Officer in Cerulean City blocking the lower half:

• Logically, Blue goes down to Vermilion and supposedly the guy just lets him pass or something?
• Gamewise, ya'll literally let us go all the way to Vermilion before so replaying this feels like your limiting options during a playthrough in a not-so fun way.

[mortal locust]

what officer? 🤔

[wild prawn]

the cop before you clear the gym

[cosmic elm]

make the secret garden accessible, AFTER beating brock, pretty please? T_T

[cosmic elm]

@wild prawn ..why not

[primal holly]

I'm also not particularly a fan of the cop, but it's a very recent addition so I believe it's done with full intention of not having players go early to Vermillion (or complete half the hotel quests in Cerulean on the first way through)

[wild prawn]

defeats the whole point secret garden was made. while it's possibly the worst kept secret in the game, it's meant to be a reward for people who actually looked at the walkthrough. this is why there's been the discussion of making the secret garden mons more accessible earlier on, cause ones like ralts are painful (given you have to reach johto normally to get one)

[floral jungle]

Well, I think it was kinda foolish to do it now tbh

[primal holly]

@cosmic elm segret garden is secret (although you can literally ask the bot how to get it nowadays), plus you aren't missing anything inside of it as it's all accessible elsewhere in the game

[stuck bison]

So why not make it accessible

[stuck bison]

Did you just say a reward for looking at a walkthrough?? Rewarding looking for help? Man this game suggestions is for the devs not some spriter. Man what are we doing gatekeeping johto?

[wild prawn]

...are you a dev?

[stuck bison]

Don't just say no to a suggestion in game suggestions designed for the devs? You literally shut down a suggestion not directed to you. Im not a dev, its literally why im in the game suggestions channel rather than just coding it myself. Naturally

[wild prawn]

If you looked into anything outside of the game, you'd know the dev made secret garden as a reward for people who checked the community walkthroughs for the game. it was referential to the older walkthroughs. Instead you just jumped to assuming it's a problem, and then decided someone else was wrong for what they said.

Periwinkle has the same fair point that a lot of people have raised, which is that some mons from secret garden are very painful to get otherwise, which I addressed, and if you scrolled through this exact channel, you would see have been discussed before. But "Secret Garden" itself is meant to be missable

[stuck bison]

Glad that this got non dev feedback

[mortal locust]

hm i never notice this guy. alr

[mellow jewel]

so many skull emojis

[wild prawn]

apparently using a skull emoji and being passive aggressive through emotes is the optimal way to handle things, i guess

[mellow jewel]

Welcome to gen Z it’s the newest trend of passive aggressiveness

[primal holly]

I don't think it's about gatekeeping, but Frogman has stated in the past his opinion about the secrecy of the secret garden and that's basically what Foxhie was reiterating. The secret garden is meant to be found on accident at some point in your Nth playthrough of the game almost by accident (although every now and then branches appear in the square beside its entrance hinting that something might be there). It's an easter egg.
Raging against missing the secret garden is basically the same as raging against not having your rival evolve its Eevee into Jolteon in a yellow playthrough. The conditions are even the same. Just get it in your next save

[wild prawn]

pine you might as well delete that, they made 2 messages after that insulting me and then both left the server