showdown-teambuilding

[misty crow]

My wallbreaker is enetta to deal with jigrowth mostly

[sudden girder]

you probably want Hydreigon/Melop then for a breaker

since hustle and band go brr

[misty crow]

Aight nice, thanks for the tip

[sudden girder]

i dont think that tentados is a reliable answer to nidokings

especially with that nasty rocks weakness

slowking donphan max spdf + AV is a very good check to most Nidos.
(Unless a chandeking decides to drop Icebeam just to OHKO you with energyball but thats neither here or there, right?)

[eternal basalt]

Hello! I've made my first team, tried it a few times and despite playing horribly I'm 7/1 W/L for now, iirc.

The one loss has been very enlightening though because it showed that I have basically no good answers to Snorcor (I changed a couple moves since then to include ice coverage on the nido, stealth rocks, and tailwind on the umbcrow, but I doubt that is enough).

Here's the pokepaste: https://pokepast.es/8eef8082719b2c78

And in case you want to see it in action here's a replay of the game where I probably missplayed the least lmao:
https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#&player=aevilok&replay=nightmare17354-aevilok-1743164867616

[sudden girder]

would drop doom desire for scald on jirapex

also Tangrowth gliscor seems kinda disappointing.
Btw not running Flammethrower on your nido fusion is asking to be stonewalled by Jiragrowth especially since Hydreiking is weak to the ubiqutus Uturn

Lastly using First impression on a scarfer is wild

[quiet salmon]

thats not a scarfer

aegizor looks real bad esp with no recovery and tailwind is not an effective move in singles

[hexed lotus]

Tangrowth gliscor is kinda weird
Gliscor is good because of poison heal, growth is good for regen

If you want some bulky flyer there's scyther

No hazard control either

[eternal basalt]

can you explain the reasoning for this? I mainly chose doom desire to help with threats, since it threatens the fairies that usually want to switch into hydreiking's dark pulse

is it because it competes with wish?

[eternal basalt]

tbh aegizor has been incredible for this team in my games, it's been an extremely helpful pivot thanks to its resists and bulk. It does end up rarely using iron head, perhaps it might be good to slot roost there instead?

also yeah tailwind felt horrible and has already been swapped for thunder wave

[eternal basalt]

A (physically) bulky flyer is exactly what I wanted out of gliscor tbh yeah, my main issues with scyther are the lack of stealth rock and eviolite being easily knocked off

[eternal basalt]

I used to run defog on umbkrow but I just ended up never using it, spikes seem super rare and it doesn't seem like this team has particular trouble with stealth rock or webs

[hexed lotus]

What if I stress test it

[quiet salmon]

the stats on aegizor is just not there

[eternal basalt]

I'm certain I have an unfavorable matchup vs spikes teams, don't get me wrong. I'm just not seeing them enough on the ladder to feel impacted by the lack of defog

[hexed lotus]

Mine is not spikes

[eternal basalt]

what might be good in its place?

[quiet salmon]

i dont often use bugsteel but i have used jirachiforretress once on hail stall

[hexed lotus]

Forretress is so underrated

[quiet salmon]

but if you want a general physdef wall that doesnt have many weaknesses something like a waterground or groundflying does fine

forretress is ass but with jirachi giving it uturn its not as bad

[hexed lotus]

Forretress already got volt

[quiet salmon]

off worse spa and to get voltblocked

[eternal basalt]

we can try it, though to be honest I won't be surprised if I lose, I'm certainly not a good player lol

[eternal basalt]

hm water ground might be good to take the switch ins that aegizor usually does

[hexed lotus]

volt switch is there for the pivot

[quiet salmon]

and it doesnt pivot if you get blocked

jirachi gives you stab uturn and about 90-95 atk so you can use it as sole stab and not be WORST MON ON TEAM tryna use mono volt or have to slot some other bad stab to maybe hit grounds

[hexed lotus]

even high atk isn't that good because it can be burned easily

forretress is here more for utility

[gusty burrow]

Umbreon/Murkrow is also extremely passive and it can't pivot out against darks

[quiet salmon]

then dont let it get burned

[quiet salmon]

prank bypasses dark in if

[gusty burrow]

I keep forgetting about that

[lone pine]

https://pokepast.es/eeff1f024313fdcd threw this in the official smogon server too but gonna ask for another opinion here too (calyrex shadow and indeedee in the back and usually urshifu single strike/hatterene in the front)

[sudden girder]

I do feel like bandend suckerpunch is a brave choice

wouldnt a a scarf urshi rapid be better to take advantage of the rain ?

[opal creek]

Aside from typing and type coverage, what specfically do you look for in fusions?

[brittle nest]

abilities and moves

moves matter more than type coverage- Megahorn and U-turn are both bug moves but they're used by different mons in different scenarios

[gleaming flower]

https://pokepast.es/652bf9fc71555439 i need some tips for improving my team, please help

[tulip nimbus]

Hmm. Ok im not 100% sure about the greninja, usally i would go more traditional with surf, grass knot, ice beam and dark pulse/Extrasensory. and you could really put moonlight on umbreon too

[gleaming flower]

I want to have wish to heal teammates tho

[tulip nimbus]

Nice typing too, but hp bulk could also be a good benifit

Also i think spectural thief only works if the user has no held item

And eviolite only works if the pokemon can still evolve, and umbreon cant

[tulip nimbus]

So instead you could take off leftovers from aegislash, replace eviolite for rocky helmet and give greninja an expert belt to make super effective moves stronger, plus they get stronger with STAB protean anyway so thats also a plus

[eternal basalt]

as a big fan of umbkrow, I really feel like it has some limitations that will become apparent in this team: biggest of which being that it's a pivot that's vulnerable to rocks

Up till recently I have been using it but found myself switching it in quite rarely because of that fact, and having wish on it (instead of roost) will make its durability a lot worse

Grenchomp will likely prefer having leftovers or life-orb rather than rocky helmet, it's way too squishy for that

aegiancie has incredible stats and great synergy with stance change, but having neither a pivoting move nor reliable recovery makes me wonder if perhaps there could be an aegislash fusion more fitting for your team

alakaode seems an odd fit here since it can't use its mind-blown very effectively, I'm almost certain you'd have a better time replacing electrode with a fast and powerful water type for immediate power, or even a hurricane user

starmie for example has both thunder and STAB surf (or hydro pump if you like gambling) with very good stats

[tulip nimbus]

So im doing a tourney with my friends with this format
https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/national-dex-doubles/

This is my team, lmk what i could do to make it better
https://pokepast.es/d3640013910faea8

[hexed lotus]

This is infinite fusion

[tulip nimbus]

Ik but we are using a specific ruleset with smogon

[grim verge]

What coverage move helps me the most?

The STABS hit everything for at least neutrally so the only thing that matters is hitting more weaknesses

Or should I forget coverage and run like Drain Punch as the fourth move?

[sterile glacier]

Earthquake is never a bad idea

Or poison jab to hit the inevitable fairies

[eternal basalt]

mathematically speaking, you hit more than half of the real games' national pokedex super effectively if you add ice coverage, and almost half of the pokedex if you add flying or rock coverage

the truth is that no moves of any of those types are worth more for you than power up punch

or better yet, since the typings in infinite fusion are more limited (especially those of walls), you might want a specific tech move to break through a common wall that your team specifically has a bad matchup against. For example if you have no way of breaking unaware walls, registeel/clefairy will smoke this mon, and you want earthquake

[quiet salmon]

blaze kick hits both that (clefable not clefairy) and registeel/moltres

[eternal basalt]

then that's probably even better

[sudden girder]

clefclops is probably bulky enough to wall this for days

[gusty burrow]

Blaze Kick is barely stronger than CC though

[wind marsh]

just for the fun of it, what would be the best fused mon to just self destruct and wipe out the entire team in doubles

[lofty parcel]

regirock, Mewtwo

BOOM

[sudden girder]

maybe azumarill+snorlax ?
huge power is one hell of a drug.

You could also go for kanghaskan/metagross for a scrappy boom that ghost cant block.

if we are talking doubles natdex you could fuse lando t with ursaluna have it burned by your partner pokemon before it booms and set of a

Banded guts stab boosted explosion

[median lava]

azurill instead of azumarill would give stab and it's only a few points weaker lol

[wind marsh]

i did that 0+ Atk 0 IVs Choice Band Huge Power Snorlax Explosion vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Arceus: 810-954 (212.5 - 250.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[red spear]

If you want to just kill the other three, Mind Blown + Helping Hand + Battery is a great combo

Bonus points if you get sun

[raven bay]

What about power spot?

[copper phoenix]

Are you guys fighting competitevely and can choose every pokemon on site or just take your caught mons in game to the showdown?

[gusty burrow]

Showdown is seperate to the actual game, you can use whatever

[silk raptor]

Hello team building channel! Have been playing fusion for a bit (100+ hrs) and now interested in building teams in game to transport to showdown

Am wondering what yall think about the meta? Am a bit new to team building still, but I know some of the basics. I’m thinking of building an offensive team around a ferrothorn fusion defense core, is that sound for the fusion meta? Is there such a thing?

It’s a bit hard to imagine a meta with 250,000 mons

[distant musk]

has anyone sat down and figured out the ideal dual typings for a team. like the 6 dual types with least weakness/most useful attacks

[eternal basalt]

Don't know if that's "solvable" but a core of ground/flying + water/steel has resists for each other's weaknesses

Ground/water + steel/grass is a common pairing here but you'll hate alakaode being able to ohko both walls if they get the call right

Offensively you can use a single tinted lens fusion and have perfect coverage

[gusty burrow]

There is no single ideal 6 team members, there never can be

because you can't run 6 gliscor

[sudden girder]

please we all now 6 luvdisc would be the hard meta without species clause

[gusty burrow]

Just run a luvdisc and 5 pink pokemon fused with swift swim fish, it's close enough

[dense bear]

Ferrotzing (Ferrothorn) @ Black Sludge
Ability: Levitate
Fusion: Weezing
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature

• Toxic Spikes
• Pain Split
• Spiky Shield
• Knock Off

Aegitei (Aegislash) @ Life Orb
Ability: Flash Fire
Fusion: Entei
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Sunsteel Strike
• Sacred Fire
• King's Shield
• Shadow Sneak

Slowbi (Slowking) @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
Fusion: Celebi
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature

• Protect
• Dragon Tail
• Thunder Wave
• Surf

Latiofable (Latios) (M) @ Soul Dew
Ability: Unaware
Fusion: Clefable
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Draco Meteor
• Moonblast
• Psychic
• Flamethrower

Hey so I made this core of 4 as someone who is new to teambuilding for fusion but teambuilds a lot for regular showdown and for some reason I can't see any holes in this core and don't know what I should add as my 5th and 6th

[sudden girder]

why would you waste clef on latias?
What is that slowbis moveset?

like it is a good team but it just seems so weak

[sudden girder]

ngl your stall matchup looks abysmall right now

you have 0 ways of getting past an regencore

[dense bear]

because I wanted unaware and ik I haven't played but with the boosted stats from fusions it seemed like stat boosts would be a problem.
with the slowbi, I realise now looking at it thunderwave is redundant if I have toxic spikes, but I don't really see anything wrong with it tbh

[dense bear]

hence why I asked what else I should have to fix that

[sudden girder]

dont get me wrong clef isnt the problem here, its latias.
Considering that eviolite works if only one part of the fusion is unevolved you have options like pory 2 or dusclops available to you.
Getting softboiled on your unaware user is probably a good bet as well.

As for the celebi/Slowking what is most infuriating is that you arent using either scald or Uturn, nor recover.
I can respect protect to scout and dtail to phase, but surely uturn and scald are better slots than twave and surf.

Also ferothorn giving spiky shield isnt wort it, swap it for jirachi and add recover to it as well as uturn.

[sudden girder]

let me start this by saying that regencores are really good in here.

But just like regular regen cores of pre HBD they dont like hazards in combination with constantly being Uturned on.

As such i suggest you add a spiker (Golisopod/Gliscor for example)
And a fast strong Uturn user.
Could be melo p
Could be genesect
Just dont use ledian

[rigid oyster]

im running meowscarada, ribombee, dragapult, armarouge, palafin and gliscor for doubles and we're only allowed 4 mon

who do i pick for my team?

[normal orchid]

I made an Invincible based team

It has Omni-Man, Invincible, BattleBeast, Allen, Rexplode, and Immortal

[quiet salmon]

I disagree

[compact pebble]

whats better for singles?

[sudden girder]

I like the Pheal set more, but since it makes you immune to burn whilst technician powerpunch just isnt that great

you will have to run from clefclops in both sets tho

[quiet salmon]

any ghost will just fold you

[raven bay]

For techician normal/fighting, you could always do ambipom/meloetta

[eternal basalt]

And since meloetta gets knock you should probably should CC for knock

[gusty burrow]

Then what's the point of running Meloetta

[eternal basalt]

the enormous offensive stats

[gusty burrow]

It's a Meloetta that gets walled by steels

[vale cloak]

https://pokepast.es/04b61e38f0a1f3b8

Yah or nah

For duo

[frigid warren]

Metamence (Metagross) @ Aguav Berry
Ability: Moxie
Fusion: Salamence
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Earthquake
• Roost
• Stealth Rock
• Meteor Mash

Chandelzma (Chandelure) @ Necrozium
Ability: Prism Armor
Fusion: Necrozma
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature

• Photon Geyser
• Shadow Ball
• Dragon Pulse
• Calm Mind

Rhysopod (Rhyperior) @ Aguav Berry
Ability: Solid Rock
Fusion: Golisopod
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Heat Crash
• First Impression
• Earthquake
• Sucker Punch

Aegixorus (Aegislash) @ Leftovers
Ability: Stance Change
Fusion: Haxorus
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• King's Shield
• Outrage
• Iron Head
• Dragon Claw

Porygar (Porygon-Z) @ Life Orb
Ability: Adaptability
Fusion: Gengar
Alt: c
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Tri Attack
• Sludge Bomb
• Toxic
• Nasty Plot

Dusknaught (Dusknoir) @ Leftovers
Ability: Bulletproof
Fusion: Chesnaught
EVs: 252 Atk / 124 Def / 132 Spe
Careful Nature

• Drain Punch
• Spirit Shackle
• Sucker Punch
• Leech Seed

Yah or nah

for singles

[sudden girder]

doesnt pory get a fire type move?

would be usefull for jiragrowth
Its also getting stomped by toxitar

[normal forge]

Ever since I've seen this post I've been thinking about coverage a bit, and I've worked out that it takes a minimum of 10 types on your team to hit every possible type combination with supereffective STAB. As far as balancing offense and defense around that knowledge, there's an endless amount of tweaking that can be done, with some of the more popular defensive typings being Steel Fairy and Normal Ghost. For best offensive typing, I personally prefer Ground Flying because it has a good immunity and overall great coverage. A single list of 10 typings that cover everything consists of Steel, Fairy, Ground, Rock/Electric, Flying, Fighting, Fire, Grass, Ice, and Dark, with Rock/Electric being interchangeable from what I'm aware. There are shortcomings to sticking to that list, with notable absences being Ghost, Water, Normal, and Poison, all ubiquitous typings for various purposes. This is all to say that, considering there's really no need to care about supereffective coverage if you're able to OHKO with simply 1x effective attacks, there's no real "solvability" to the idea that there is an ideal type combination to handle every possible situation on a team, but theorycrafting never ceases to be fun, because pokemon's simplicity is its greatest strength.

TLDR: this is just me having fun theorizing, there's no real ideal team but it's fun to think about as someone who isn't particularly competitive

[gusty burrow]

The issue with ground flying is that flying moves are all terrible (and basically don't exist lmao)

Two of the best pokemon from their respective generations are ground/flying and neither of them get any decent flying STAB

[sudden girder]

i think they only fusion with actual ground flying stab is Noiverking with hurricane and earthpower.
Hits pretty hard when it lands

[gusty burrow]

Ground/fairy is a better offensive type imo, both types get walled by flying/steels (without thunderbolt/flamethrower) but its more consistent

[sudden girder]

togeking is a menace for that exact reason.
(doesnt groud fairy also get walled by Poison/Flying and fire/Flying? Or just levitate instead of flying type.)

[gusty burrow]

Fire flying doesn't really exist because you don't wall anything with rocks up. Poison/flying also doesn't offer anything, rocks weakness is a major hindrance (and both get hit by tbolt anyway)

[terse fog]

is heatran with any with like mega scizor or buzzwhole viable

flash fire as the ability and a bug steel typing

this is pretty good and is legal for OU

Aegigron (Aegislash) @ Aggronite
Ability: Stance Change
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
Fusion: Aggron-Mega
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Swords Dance
• King's Shield
• Iron Head
• Sacred Sword

200 base def with stance change

[raven bay]

https://tenor.com/view/ww2-traumatized-scared-gif-16660640303472289124

X4 fighting weakness

[quiet salmon]

not particularly bc sure you have no weaknesses but you also take neutral from a bunch of moves when you couldve minmaxed and used something like buzzwole idk stakataka and maxed out your defense

[quiet salmon]

not good either bc its a mid offensive typing with no recovery and actually not that high dmg either (200 base atk but no boosting abil is kinda tame in comparison to everything else)

[raven bay]

Also, earthquake ignores the kings shield, and could also KO with some boosts added.

[median lava]

how does eq ignore king shield?

[stuck birch]

He probably meant just the stat drop

[raven bay]

Yes

[gusty burrow]

Kings Shield only gives the attack drop on contact moves

[hallow hazel]

how does my team look (It’s meant for Gen 9 anything goes)

Admit it, you love those nicknames

[quiet salmon]

it looks very bad

loses to most ag mons you can think of

[hallow hazel]

Oh 😦

I did make a team that’s even worse but I did that on purpose (It’s for PU and below)

It still lost against equally bad to even worse teams so maybe I’m the problem here

Why are all my favorites so bad

[compact pebble]

using smeargle as an attacking mon 💔

smeargle is only good in doubles btw

[hallow hazel]

Really? I thought it would be good cause it can learn everything

[quiet salmon]

its not good when you try to use its terrible offensive stats

best you can do with it is fuse with shed or a suicide lead to set hazards and leave (in the case of shed) or die (in the case of lead)

[molten ridge]

only way to do smeargle as attacking mon is technician pop bomb + shell smash shenanigans

its pretty bad but its something

[pseudo heron]

Pluh

[terse fog]

okay cool

[pale thicket]

Hello good evening, could someone send me the link to the game without going through mega? I'm trying and it won't work at all.

[quiet salmon]

the game download or the online showdown link

[pale thicket]

I'm trying to download the Android version and it's going through Mega but Mega keeps saying that my account is already over.

[quiet salmon]

this is not the right channel

go to #tech-support

[frank portal]

Is this any good? I'm brainstorming a trickroom team

[orchid field]

For trick room it’s not good

[frank portal]

Why ?

[orchid field]

For trick room team in singles mons fall into two categories

Setters that pivot into the damage dealers
Or
Slow but very powerful attackers

This mon falls into neither category

[frank portal]

So it enable himself, thats all

is it good by itself then? xD

[quiet salmon]

no its nowhere near as powerful enough

[crude totem]

What is this site??

[crude totem]

Thanks

[final juniper]

Dunsparce, shuckle + eviolite, its so good.

[quiet salmon]

what

dunsparce doesnt evolve in gen 7

[unique token]

honestly valid pick

[south blade]

can help

pls

i need trade in lets go pikachu

helloooooo

anybody

pls

help

trade

[shrewd lynx]

#other-pokemon-games

[south blade]

helloooo

hi

[small latch]

Is there a list of like banned pokemon? Or can I use whatever I like?

[warm mortar]

how is this pokemon built?

[sudden girder]

maybe an sd bullet punch sucker punch taunt set?

[red spear]

It depends on the format, if you play AG formats you can roughly do whatever you’d like. OU formats have Pokemon labeled as Uber or AG banned, plus some moves and abilities but those should be shown in red and won’t let you validate

[small latch]

thank you!

[sick horizon]

should i name this belle
Delph Fini (Delphox)
Ability: Misty Surge
Tera Type: Fire
Fusion: Tapu Fini
EVs: 76 HP / 252 SpA / 180 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

[frank drift]

Is there a link to see usage stats, sample teams, viability rankings, etc?

[sudden girder]

the usage stats are posted once a month in the pokeathlon discord.

this is anaconjas tierlist, which is the only one we have as far as I know

this one was done before the drizzle/drought/sandrush ban

Usage stats of the last month

11193
12.53% Entei + Meloetta-Pirouette
12.45% Alakazam + Electrode
8.15% Gliscor + Golisopod
8.09% Sylveon + Dragonite
6.35% Jirachi + Tangrowth
5.82% Snorlax + Gliscor
5.61% Toxapex + Tyranitar
5.19% Clefable + Dusclops
4.27% Clefable + Registeel
4.05% Ursaring + Dragonite
3.9% Toxapex + Umbreon
3.69% Hydreigon + Yanmega
3.6% Registeel + Xatu
3.27% Ferrothorn + Garchomp
3.25% Jirachi + Toxapex
3.22% Clefable + Mew
2.78% Tyranitar + Celebi
2.68% Chandelure + Jolteon
2.56% Sylveon + Lucario
2.55% Chandelure + Nidoking
2.54% Metagross + Dhelmise
2.53% Dragonite + Ursaring
2.51% Diancie + Meloetta-Pirouette
2.5% Togekiss + Nidoking
2.49% Slowking + Donphan
2.25% Lurantis + Hydreigon
2.23% Tyranitar + Scyther
2.16% Porygon-Z + Genesect
2.06% Registeel + Moltres
1.97% Chandelure + Greninja
1.97% Quagsire + Steelix
1.96% Snorlax + Aegislash
1.93% Aegislash + Diancie
1.91% Porygon-Z + Dragonite
1.85% Clefable + Suicune
1.81% Smeargle + Whimsicott
1.73% Tangrowth + Forretress
1.72% Whimsicott + Shuckle
1.69% Lurantis + Meloetta-Pirouette
1.68% Jirachi + Entei
1.66% Pyukumuku + Electivire
1.6% Probopass + Tangrowth
1.58% Rhyperior + Gliscor
1.58% Gengar + Greninja
1.57% Gliscor + Diancie
1.55% Chandelure + Porygon-Z
1.54% Slowbro + Donphan
1.51% Vaporeon + Garchomp
1.47% Latios + Magnezone

1.4% Slowking + Diancie
1.36% Porygon2 + Aegislash
1.34% Porygon-Z + Mismagius
1.33% Hydreigon + Gengar
1.31% Garchomp + Scizor
1.3% Porygon-Z + Blastoise
1.29% Latios + Lurantis
1.25% Smeargle + Sableye
1.24% Miltank + Donphan
1.22% Greninja + Genesect
1.19% Jirachi + Diancie
1.18% Ferrothorn + Toxapex
1.14% Lurantis + Chandelure
1.13% Aegislash + Murkrow
1.13% Blaziken + Genesect
1.13% Clefable + Aegislash
1.13% Haxorus + Scizor
1.12% Hydreigon + Nidoking
1.08% Kyurem + Lurantis
1.03% Nidoking + Tyranitar
1.02% Sandslash + Haxorus
1.02% Sylveon + Garchomp
1.0% Alakazam + Greninja
1.0% Genesect + Mew
0.99% Latias + Entei
0.98% Tyranitar + Gliscor
0.98% Tyranitar + Garchomp
0.96% Latios + Jolteon
0.93% Haxorus + Meloetta-Pirouette
0.93% Metagross + Salamence
0.92% Togekiss + Suicune
0.91% Mamoswine + Breloom
0.91% Sylveon + Lurantis
0.91% Clefable + Doublade
0.9% Registeel + Tangrowth
0.89% Registeel + Hydreigon
0.88% Lycanroc-Midnight + Meloetta-Pirouette
0.88% Politoed + Forretress
0.88% Reuniclus + Torkoal
0.88% Clefable + Toxapex
0.87% Sylveon + Electrode
0.86% Ferrothorn + Xatu
0.84% Salamence + Doublade
0.84% Greninja + Garchomp
0.84% Espeon + Shuckle
0.84% Slowking + Toxapex
0.83% Chandelure + Genesect
0.82% Jirachi + Salamence
0.82% Kangaskhan + Dragonite
0.81% Jynx + Nidoking
0.81% Roserade + Galvantula

[frank drift]

Omg that’s awesome thank you

[gusty burrow]

Pyukumuku/Electivire at 1.6% kinda crazy

[small latch]

Wow, Entei+Meleotta didnt know that was strong

[quiet salmon]

its a fast mon with p good power and 100% burn from sacred fire giving it an easy way to chip walls

[sudden girder]

also uturn

[acoustic jacinth]

It's stupidly fast and it also gets v create according to the wiki

I was theorizing that pyukuvire is an answer to alakazam/electrode with motor drive but idk

[gusty burrow]

V-Create got banned

[sudden girder]

thank goodness for that.

Lurantis entei was pretty much unwallable.

[small latch]

Yah I love Entei but I don’t use the meleotta version

[sudden girder]

which one do you use?

[acoustic jacinth]

that is disgusting lmao

[sudden girder]

add perma sun to that

[small latch]

My b just saw this Ive been out

Entei x Salamence

[quiet salmon]

doesnt seem v good

[small latch]

maybe not i enjoy him though

whats the idea with meleota x entei?

the base stats dont look very different, and they both get moxie so-- Im not too sure whats the big advantage?

[gusty burrow]

Neutral to rocks, more immideately threatening, fast u-turn, can help wear down switch ins with 100% Sacred fire burn

[quiet salmon]

entei mence doesnt get good flying stab either

[gusty burrow]

Everything doesn't get good flying stab

[quiet salmon]

simply use dodrio

[small latch]

hm good points i like u turn

i dont want to use/copy a common build though it kind of takes the fun out of the game. Also im using the Salutei version which might be worse in your perspective lol

[small latch]

tbh what.. What should I do when team building for pvp?

are there anythings that comp players tend to rely on or always do?

[gusty burrow]

Regenerator cores are pretty common, you'll need a way to break them

[small latch]

ok ok

[sudden girder]

if your starting out try random battles or get some sample teams

if you want building advice just remember the following checkboxes for balance :

you need to have a resist to every type.

you need hazards and hazard removal

you need to be able to block electric type damage.

you want speedcontrol(scarfer or priority user)

you definetly want pivot user to get your offensive user in safely

your offensive mons should threaten many while your defensive mons should be threatend by few.

(There is more but i dont want to overwhelm)

[small latch]

thank you! honestly im glad for the information this can be a useful starting platform at least

[buoyant verge]

Is singles the only available pvp mode rn?

Just wondering since I'm used to vgc rather than smogon

[quiet salmon]

theres doubles too

[buoyant verge]

Oh sweet

Nice

[astral parrot]

How does pvping other people work? Can you just battle other players actively?

[gusty burrow]

Its just pokemon showdown, but IF

[red spear]

You can challenge specific players to battles, or you can find other players also looking for a battle on the ladder

[weak sable]

Why is Porygon + Blastoise being used?

[sudden girder]

because adaptability waterspout tends to hit quite hard

[weak sable]

Hello, I'd like to build my strategic team, but I can't find any information about what's banned in the metagame. Could you help me

[quiet salmon]

/tier gen7ifdexou

[wooden lance]

hi im in a spriting event that i will eventually need to fight using the sprites i made i would apreciate some suggestions

they are itemless

vibrava is locked in frisk
farfetch is locked in defiant

[sudden girder]

so is that wigglytuff+vibrava and rhydon+farfetch and shieldon+?

[wooden lance]

darkrai

[sudden girder]

well thats an odd one out

[wooden lance]

i made him thinking darkvoid was still 100%

for some reason

[sudden girder]

its still a darkrai

[wooden lance]

shoulf i pick baddreams witha hypnosis build or try another passive?

[sudden girder]

i mean i dont know the powerlevel of your opponents?

in terms of OU you got a bunch of shitmons, but i suspect the others had some restriction put on them.
Was there any rules about the sprites?

Was it at least one prevo?

[wooden lance]

they had a lot of limitations, but i can say i will face mons with similar bst

[sudden girder]

its 3v3 right?

[wooden lance]

yes

[sudden girder]

i personally like white smoke on darkrai

[wooden lance]

its singles

[sudden girder]

does whitesmoke not stop intimidate?

[wooden lance]

do white smoke work on itself?

[sudden girder]

no its prevents opponent from causing statdrops

if you drop a draco your spa is gonna be -2

i was thinking of a substitute Swordsdance suckerpunch set

because wow does shieldon drag darkrai down

rhyperior farfetched is propably your best mon since it got actuall stats, movepool and typing.
Run eviolite roost with eq and brave bird on that front

your wigglyva is essentially a loudred statwise(just a bit bulkier)
Luckily you got stab boomburst so a scarf of specs set might not be that bad of an idea, since boomburst hits really hard especially in such a low powerlevel

[wooden lance]

inst boomburst banned?

[sudden girder]

its in if dex Ou but i thought you got extra rules

[wooden lance]

dex UB

[frosty garnet]

I don't think "UB" is in PIF. :thinking: Did you misspell something?

[wooden lance]

o wait i put uu by acident

[sudden girder]

i dont know if its bannend in ubers

but i dont think it is

[wooden lance]

its not in ubers thankfully

what you think?

hmm i think i change dracometeor for protect

like why would i play dm over boomburst any time

only with ghosts and sounfproofs

[sudden girder]

yep, i also recommend specs

so no roost

[wooden lance]

(i cant use any item)

[sudden girder]

bruh

well thats nice to know

still keep draco

[wooden lance]

for the rhydon now

[sudden girder]

fine set

[wooden lance]

i very lost on what to do with darkai

i shouldnt rely on badreams sleep probably

its 60%

[sudden girder]

sub sd?

its kinda a shitmon ngl

maybe with sturdy you can make it work

[wooden lance]

sd?

[sudden girder]

swords dance

[tender fulcrum]

do gems run out or can you keep using one over and over?

[quiet salmon]

they get used up

[tender fulcrum]

ok txs

[red mountain]

why is drizzle/swift swim banned in gen 7? like i know its strong, but bannable seems a bit extreme

[patent hatch]

Weather is infinite here so you could have to ability be active forever
The abusers are also crazy since you could fuse stuff so get crazy strong pokemon with abilities that allow them to outspeed everything

It is very much bannable

In fact the sun and rain weather setting abilities are banned themselves because that’s how crazy they are

[red mountain]

i didnt realize it was infinite. that makes more sense

is that normal? ive played other gen 7 fan games that werent like that

[patent hatch]

Infinite Fusion is like that so the mechanics must stay the same

[red mountain]

okay well im having a bad time in the competitive scene lol

would anyone be willing to show me the ropes?

[quiet salmon]

what teams are you using right now

[red mountain]

oh my god its the man himself.

well, probably nothing good. i was trying to run drizzle/swift swim but thats banned so i was doing the same strat with swift swimmers instead

[quiet salmon]

yeah idt manual rain is gonna work with how good sand stream/snow warning are

[red mountain]

i could see that. from what soup was saying, all weather strats are busted

i wanna run clefable/shieldon as a wall but it gets walked pretty often

[ashen jolt]

I made a decent team

and then 5 mins before it started realised that it was monotype and not normal

😔

unfortunate asf

is it possible to get info before hand about what next tour is gonna be about, id like the event winner role

[quiet salmon]

#showdown-announcements message

[red mountain]

is there evasion policy on sand veil?

[patent hatch]

All evasion stuff is banned

[wooden lance]

im in an rpg and my team fucking sucks i need my last mon to be the most broken un-sprited toxic orb user that exist

with probably less than 490 bst

[gusty burrow]

You're in luck, Gliscor is one of the strongest pokemon in the tier. Also fancy seeing you here

Poison Heal is a really dumb ability, you really can't go wrong with it

[wooden lance]

what they are fusing him with

i would like to see some meta builds

[gusty burrow]

Nothing at the bst cap

[wooden lance]

i assumed so

[gusty burrow]

Snorlax/Gliscor is the most popular

Dumb bulk with poison heal and STAB facade

[wooden lance]

it was more to see the movepool

[gusty burrow]

It's Gliscor, it has all the moves it needs already lmao

[wooden lance]

protect
toxic
facade
roost?
stealth rock?

damn he already have facade himself

what gf was thinking

[gusty burrow]

Snorcor runs a lot, usually its SD, Facade, Roost and something else (U-Turn, Knock mostly. Usually knoc

You realise 99% of mons learn facade right

Other gliscor run different stuff for utility, but they arent sweepers

[wooden lance]

what about this spread

[gusty burrow]

Facade isn't going to hit as hard without STAB

[wooden lance]

its whispers to me like the green goblin mask

its probably worse thou , but deal with stat boosts

[mystic cave]

wire (Tangrowth) @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
Fusion: Klefki
EVs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 4 SpA / 132 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Sleep Powder
• Spikes
• Foul Play
• Leech Seed

smash (Lurantis) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Contrary
Fusion: Rampardos
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpA
Brave Nature

• Leaf Storm
• Endeavor
• Focus Punch
• Superpower

mimirock (Mimikyu)
Ability: No Guard
Fusion: Lycanroc-Midnight
Alt: a
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Curse
• Facade
• Pain Split
• Stone Edge

immuntiys (Chandelure) @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
Fusion: Muk
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Curse
• Fire Blast
• Recover
• Substitute

Ninkazam (Ninjask) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Magic Guard
Fusion: Alakazam
EVs: 140 Def / 116 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Trick
• Disable
• Encore
• Recover

regimountain (Regitrio) @ Leftovers
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpA
Brave Nature

• Blizzard
• Zap Cannon
• Stone Edge
• Focus Punch

what do you guys think

[sudden girder]

regitrio is a fraud

your HO team is weak to spec thief while your Hazard setter lead folds into any Magic bouner.

[gusty burrow]

No attacking moves scarf ninjask

[severe cove]

hello?

[agile iris]

hi ! (yeah sorry this isn't the most active channel)

[severe cove]

I am sorry.

[agile iris]

don't be

[severe cove]

my question is how do i make a good stalled pokemon what moveset should I add for her?

should I make full rest mon?

like snorlax?

[severe cove]

uhm question?

how do I can I make a good stalled mon?

I wanna have secondary staller?

this is main staller/distrubtor

[agile iris]

Stalled ? you mean the stall strategy ? add something that has great stall moves like toxic and protect

snorlax is decent since it does have good defensive stats

[severe cove]

so no sleep one?

[agile iris]

But Chansey gives access to eviolite and soft boiled

[severe cove]

but I really love my lopunny I raised them on the start.

[agile iris]

which do be better in my mind

[severe cove]

so what job is my lopunny would be?

[agile iris]

Physical sweeper i think

[severe cove]

her physical is low?

[severe cove]

I assume multi element? physical sweeper?

[agile iris]

well it is still her bests stat, i mean she can be a bulky one, give her set up moves (idk what she has access to, but swords dance and curse are great)

[severe cove]

should I add her on my team?

[severe cove]

well she has access to sword dance

my lopunnys

[agile iris]

duskvoir is nice. Maybe it can get recover instead of rest but the mon is already neat, maybe just give it the leftovers item

[severe cove]

well I think it through

I wanna play around hex

hence you see thunderwave

[agile iris]

thunder wave works for that

Dusknoir maybe gives access to toxic which is better against bulky pokemon

[severe cove]

I think I wanna add hypnosis on gardevoir

[agile iris]

Hypnosis has a low accuracy it is not that great

[severe cove]

ouch...

and ice is not good too

[agile iris]

i thin its 65% accuracy ? something like that

[severe cove]

only flame thunder and poison

[agile iris]

Ice is very nice but there is no moves that garenties ice

If you want a accurate sleeping method try to fuse it with a pokémon that learns Spore

it is 100% accuracy

[severe cove]

I wanna do it next

so should I add gardevoir or skip it?

and fix lopunny?

she has an access to toxic

[agile iris]

you mean to your team ? both mons are decent

[severe cove]

but I am weak to dark?

[agile iris]

Toxic is defenitly better, just has the disavantage that steel is immune to it

[agile iris]

luppony has high jump kick

[severe cove]

my friend said so

[agile iris]

And maybe access to close combat/superpower idk

[severe cove]

hmmm

I will put that on my note

so

>high jump kick
>super power/close combat?
>how about burn or poison?
>???```

[agile iris]

what does that mean ?

[severe cove]

thanks for helping me

oh writing my notes

so I wont forget

[agile iris]

All on luppony ? no

-> One good combat move (High jump or close combat or superpower (if she can)
-> One Set up Move, Swords dance
-> Normal stab, Return or Double edge
-> Free spot

[severe cove]

^ how about u-turn?

[agile iris]

U turn is quite nice yeah

[severe cove]

I wonder if its possible to learn it

lopunny I mean

either that or baton pass

[agile iris]

Yeah i figured, u turn would be bad on gardevoir and i'm pretty sure she can't learn it

[severe cove]

but my lopunny is tanky right?

[agile iris]

baton pass only if you have another good physical pokémon, U turn is often more useful

[severe cove]

so it is not a waste of space?

is my gardevoir a nuker?

[agile iris]

Quite

[agile iris]

The dusknoir one ? She is a bit on the tanky side too, but she does have a bad nature

[severe cove]

no she meant to be distrubtor o///o

tank/distrubtor/hexer

referring to her o-o

[agile iris]

She hits harder thanks to calm mind yes

[severe cove]

but?

negatives?

I am okay with negative remarks

[agile iris]

less tanky, but it does ok

[severe cove]

tanky on special def side?

[agile iris]

well you have two very similar typing with two gardevoir

[agile iris]

on both, gardevoir is not a bulky pokemon

[severe cove]

so skip her put her on another team?

[severe cove]

unlike my lopunnys?

than I will keep her on 3rd team then o>

[agile iris]

She can play a offensive special role still, it is ok

[severe cove]

her weakness is dark or ghost right

problem is I dunno if qualify as special nuker?

[agile iris]

Loppony is rather bulky without being very bulky

[agile iris]

A fast special head that adds some coverage would be nice

[quiet salmon]

best lopunny can do is probably some wack klutz vest trick set

it doesnt have stats in anything

[severe cove]

this is my first team

[severe cove]

ouch....

[agile iris]

Well, i mean it can work as a bulky physical, of course there are better mon for it but if you must find it a place

[severe cove]

I been farming lopunny with limber

I hate being paralyze T_T

how is my first team

I think a lot before fighting elite 4

I just have problem with elite no,2 and gary

aqua tail has change to waterfall

[agile iris]

looking up embargo

[severe cove]

I forgot to you know

[severe cove]

reason I hate the enemies use heal

.<

full heal

.<

hence the reasoning with thief and embargo

[agile iris]

Oh yeah, that is not a great move xD

But i guess if you absolutly don't want it, it can make sense in a playthrough

Knock off is better than thief for similar effects

[severe cove]

oh I used her on elite members who use heal xD

[severe cove]

err I have tracer xD

i think she is a scout for my team

I play the game without guides

o///o

https://tenor.com/view/lupusregina-beta-anime-scared-overlord-shaking-gif-16972704

giovanni murder my team

@agile iris so question though if I want to add sleep it should be spore user

but which pokemon take advantage for spores and which fusion should I make?

[agile iris]

Spore users are quite rare but it do be the best sleep move

https://infinitefusiondex.com/

[severe cove]

then who is best spore user that can be a nuker?

[agile iris]

This can help you find em

[severe cove]

hmmm question

are any plant starters good spore user?

for example meganium?

I really like her when gen 2 was release but her moves are bad

but I can circumvent her weakess via fusion?

[agile iris]

Not clue, but probably not, meganium isn't great, i'll check

[severe cove]

dunno if meganium or any plant starter can be viable as spore user

[agile iris]

yeah no she doesn't have it

None of theses have it in PIF

Well maybe none at all

[severe cove]

ouch....

[agile iris]

There is 24 Spore users in Pif, shown by the site i sent here

For a special head ampharos and Mew are nice

[severe cove]

mew..... already fuse with gardevoir and I want to play without legendaries

am I weird 😭

[severe cove]

how about whimsicot?

[agile iris]

Its fast but it doesn't hit hard

[severe cove]

I am thinking adding mon that least amount of weakness...

https://pokemondb.net/type/dual

here

[agile iris]

Dw i know my type chart x)

[severe cove]

I am sorry

[agile iris]

once again Ampharos is ok for that, just adds ground

A bit slow, but hits well

[severe cove]

I got her forgot where can I farm more?

[agile iris]

Dk, ask the bot or wiki

[severe cove]

for ground...

I am checking on the link you gave me

[severe cove]

how about her

https://infinitefusiondex.com/details/181.299

this one?

thank you for helping me

[severe cove]

again I am sorry for asking too much question

[agile iris]

Its a bit faster, roughly neutral speed tiers hits harder but physical and has access to Garchomp great movrpool

[quiet salmon]

do note that this channel is intended for teambuilding for the pokeathlon showdown website

[agile iris]

True, #playthrough-talk might be a better place (Please correct me if there is a better one)

[quiet salmon]

i wouldnt know but that sounds right

[nimble ether]

https://pokepast.es/47ad7d4a00edcfa5
My mons on my blind playthrough so far

6th is currently an hm slave so just these 5 rn

[severe cove]

question

pokemon catch by ability ball those hidden ability wont be transfer correct?

[gusty burrow]

Correct, it can't be transfered. Also this is better suited for #playthrough-talk, not here

[severe cove]

thx I will.

[hollow snow]

is this the correct channel to ask quesitons about story mode effort value training?

[brittle nest]

no

#playthrough-talk or #gameplay-help (though I can say, as someone has done a lot of EV training in this game and even got halfway through making a guide for it... there isn't a lot of info out there)

[hollow snow]

Someone updated the wiki recently for the parts of ev training that are different for this game. The rest works just like vanilla ev training

[gleaming flower]

Celedon (Celebi) @ Mental Herb
Ability: Soundproof
Fusion: Bastiodon
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Perish Song
• Block
• Protect
• Recover

How do I beat this thing?

[fathom pilot]

Hypnosis

[quiet salmon]

ghost or pivoting or taunt or force it to recover loop

[quasi kindle]

we need usage stats

[gleaming flower]

Thanks

[whole snow]

https://pokepast.es/ad464cec88e0224f what’s yalls thoughts on this random thing i built

[gusty burrow]

4 fairy moves Sylveon

[subtle sundial]

Aight, I have a really shitty meme team I wanna try

For this Average Mon thing

Wait wrong chat

Eh its fine actually

hope no one in tourney looks at my sets but I don't have much hope

I just realized Leaf Guard shoulda been saved for a physical grass for burn :/
Its fine

[subtle sundial]

it kinda worked, but I got out in first battle ._.

[smoky yoke]

manual sunny day???

[subtle sundial]

Drought was banned

[dense ermine]

Guys

I'm new

So I made like a stupid team just to try the game out now it says this error how do I fix

[gusty burrow]

Thats regular showdown, not pokeathlon

Did you select OU?

[dense ermine]

Hi

Ow common whenever I join the the chat everyone goes silent

Like broooooooo

[dense ermine]

@gusty burrow what's that

And what a pokeathlon

[gusty burrow]

Pokeathlon is the custom showdown website for Infinite Fusion
OU is a format, have you selected a format from the drop down menu on your team screen?

[dense ermine]

Can yiy give me a link for pokeathlon@gusty burrow

[gusty burrow]

It's pinned in showdown general

[dense ermine]

K

Look I entered it showed this@gusty burrow

Like the hell is this

[gusty burrow]

Idk how you got to usage stats???

[dense ermine]

@gusty burrow is this it

[gusty burrow]

Yes

[dense ermine]

Do you have by any chance any team suggestions

[gusty burrow]

Defence is really good, try checking out some of those pokemon from these usage stats

Glory to big stall 🫡

[dense ermine]

Thanks man

So now if I pu any pokemon it won't say that messgae

[dense ermine]

Gusy why are all those things banned

Like that no fun

[gusty burrow]

Because megas and Ash Greninja dont exist in Infinite Fusion

[dense ermine]

What about the others@duskrd

[quiet salmon]

whats the team

[dense ermine]

I did use mgras

Mega

Garchamp Charizard

[quiet salmon]

yeah you cant use megas in if dex ou

you can in national dex though

[dense ermine]

Oh thx for your help mam

I felt British saying

That

[deep jolt]

Guys is elec type shedinja w baloon allowed?

In any mode?

[quiet salmon]

in ndag it is

[severe cove]

@rancid owl here?

[rustic crow]

need a team can i imort one from someone

[cursive folio]

this team is real experimental cause of the limitations so idk how far ill get, guess ill find out LOL

[cursive folio]

so maybe experimental is good

[cursive folio]

this team looks like it was made while i was really tired and played like it too. im surprised i made it so far

necroeon doesn't even proc protean its a miracle it was as big of a threat as it looked like it was LOL

[patent hatch]

oh did it not proc whenever you transformed into ultra?

[cursive folio]

nah it stayed psychic/normal

unfortunate but it prevented me from getting hit by ghost moves so it was a blessing in disguise???

and after turning ultra it switches to neuroforce, so

[quiet salmon]

epic no fix fail

[patent hatch]

I reported that bug 3 months ago

[gusty burrow]

Thats not a bug since the ability changes

[patent hatch]

It is a bug BECAUSE the ability changes

I tested it ingame and it keeps it unless your Prism Armor

[gusty burrow]

Oh, yeah thats different

[runic elm]

Hey guys I want to make a team with the theme that they all play with status condition on themself and I need idea and I need a mon that will replace scrafty

[gusty burrow]

Drifblim for flare boost?

[runic elm]

Ho thanks you that's perfect

[compact pebble]

Hey guys

I'm new here

How do I play PIF showdown

[gusty burrow]

First pin in #showdown-general

[shadow lion]

How do i improve this team

still lack a pokemon i have yet to decide

[keen kindle]

Add 6th member

[shadow lion]

idk what 6th member be

i have no idea :P

[keen kindle]

Uh also maybe give hoot hoot hex?

Since you have smt with will-o-wisp

[shadow lion]

ok done

What pokemon could be improved?

[keen kindle]

Idk about rock climb

It seems like a random move

[shadow lion]

I was thinking of a move that utilises no guard

maybe not really neccesary

maybe facade?

[keen kindle]

Maybe yes

Body slam could also be a good option

[shadow lion]

hmm

I think paralyze would be more annoying

So ill have that

[shadow lion]

Should i change counter?

[keen kindle]

Sure

Yes

[shadow lion]

for what?

[keen kindle]

Idk the movesets very well

But given youre a tank smt like recovdr

[shadow lion]

Doesnt have recover

[keen kindle]

Oh

Then idk

[shadow lion]

i could go for gunk shot

with no guard

or rest

[keen kindle]

Whatever you feel like

[shadow lion]

Ill go rest because

Body slam does more with stab

and i already have a paralyze move

or move that inflicts status

[pure heart]

Suggestion for anyone seeking a funny defensive monstrosity

Only one weakness, incredible move pool

Absolutely hilarious bulk

Blisgrigus is too happy to die

[gusty burrow]

Unfortunately, Blissey (and Chansey) are banned from OU for being too bulky

[foggy ermine]

Are there any analysis pages for anything?

[foggy ermine]

https://pokepast.es/3545c1ad7dc92768

Hows this look?

[jade kayak]

Are there any good sample teams or analyses lying around? This meta seems overwhelming lol

[foggy ermine]

Stall seems horrific in this meta

There’s so many insane options

Chucking Registeel and Toxapex and Pyukumuku and Gliscor onto things

[orchid field]

You would be wrong for every insane offense mon there are insane defensive ones

[orchid field]

There are sample team and sets on the pokeathlon discord

[foggy ermine]

No, horrific as in insane

Stall has so many disgusting abominations

The mere concept of Pyukulix

Just

Mega Quagsire

Half a dozen Toxapex mixtures

[dense ermine]

Hi everyone

[foggy ermine]

Is Suicune + Scizor viable? Solidly bulky, Water/Steel typing, dual STAB Technician priority moves, Roost, U-Turn…

[gusty burrow]

It seems decent, but if you want a water pivot then theres slowking and toxapex

[foggy ermine]

Bulky pivot with priority, though?

(Aqua Jet/Knock is probably better than Aqua Jet/Bullet Punch, tbf)

[gusty burrow]

It's not gonna be the best at revenge killing since you want bulk investment

[foggy ermine]

Other weird combo idea is Armaldo + Breloom

Rock/Fighting with dual STAB Technician priority moves and SD

Plus Knock and/or Spin

[slow abyss]

Hey! So this isn't about showdown specifically but I figured I'd ask here because you guys are the teambuilding pros. I'm working on a elite 4 rematch system for the base infinite fusion where it would basically make the elite 4 teams by picking from a pool of predetermined Pokemon. So I want to come up with a dozen or so fusions for each Elite 4 member that would fit thematically but also be challenging to beat. Do you guys have any cool suggestions?

[gusty burrow]

Im not sure what you want the power level to be, but STAB Boomburst with a Noivern fusion is great (Porygon-Z or Sylveon for strongest)

[slow abyss]

There's multiple tiers that the players will unlock. Tiers 1-2 are closer to the original e4 teams. Tier 5 is as hard to beat as possible basically

[patent hatch]

Weather strategies are also very strong to do too since it’s infinite if from an ability

Sun and Rain being the strongest but Sand is still plenty strong

[slow abyss]

I need specific sets!

[red spear]

Could you send the current teams and/or themes, since that's one restriction to build around?

(also any limitations in terms of pokemon allowed, like legendaries, mythicals, TMs, egg moves, items ,etc.)

[sudden girder]

been a while since i played the base game but im certain the e4 had legendaries.
So im assuming monotype teams with 1 legendary allowed

[slow abyss]

No, no legendaries! But anything else is pretty much fair game as long as they have the correct typing. These are the original (tier 1) teams https://infinitefusion.fandom.com/wiki/Elite_Four. For the rematches, it will generate teams from a pool that includes the Pokémon from the originals + the extras

[quiet salmon]

can the fusions change from what they are rn

[slow abyss]

Not those ones no. I need additional fusions, not to remake the existing ones

[quiet salmon]

i see

do you want different sets for the same fusion between tiers

also am i able to repeat mons that a leader already has

[slow abyss]

Hmm preferably not. The "tiers" are not completely separate from each other so that would lead to duplicates. Basically, each of the new tiers unlock some new fusions that the e4 member can use, but all the ones from the lower tiers also stay available in the pool (with higher levels)

[quiet salmon]

so each tier has different fusions

[slow abyss]

Unless you want to come up with 5 different versions of the same mons for each but that sounds like a lot of work

[quiet salmon]

https://pokepast.es/69c18de6619b62c7 lorelei
https://pokepast.es/5e3fc1957d1dfa82 bruno
came up with this so far

[slow abyss]

Okay I like what you came up with but it's a bit different from the approach I had in mind. The way I view it is that each tier just adds more possible fusions but doesn't change the ones from the lower tiers.
Having different sets for the same mon in each of the tiers like this is a really cool idea and definitely doable but it's a lot more work :/

[quiet salmon]

right

[slow abyss]

I was thinking maybe 2 extra mons per tiers but if we have to give new sets for all of the lower tiers too then that would be
5*5 + 2*4 + 2*3 + 2*2 +2 = 45 different sets for 13 different Pokemon to come up with for each elite 4!

[quiet salmon]

try \* to show multiplication

[slow abyss]

Damn it discord 😂

[quiet salmon]

so what you want is like
t2: glaceon-sandslash
t3: stunfisk-glaceon
t4: glaceon-quagsire
t5: glaceon-nidoking
for example

[raven bay]

Could always try Jynxking

[quiet salmon]

idk if you can repeat mons

lorelei already has a jynx tangrowth

[slow abyss]

repeating mons is fine as long as it's not too much. There's only so many ice types hahah

[slow abyss]

yeah something like this! I just want a bunch of fusions that would work for each of the e4 members basically

[gusty burrow]

What type do you want for Lance? He uses both flying and dragon pokemon in the current E4

[gusty burrow]

Also I'm not sure if the website is up to date, but some of E4 don't have attacking moves of the item type

[sudden girder]

birdkeeper lancer

[gusty burrow]

Not sure if this is the right thing you're after, but heres some sets (Wow theres no ice types in this game)
https://pokepast.es/12b11a573b0674db
https://pokepast.es/040037c62477044e
https://pokepast.es/da0f1aa30de342d6

[slow abyss]

It's absolutely perfect!

[gusty burrow]

So for Lance, do you want dragon types, or a mix of dragon and flying?

[slow abyss]

Hmm.. good question. I guess I'll allow non-dragon types as long they're "dragon-like" pokemon it like Charizard, gyarados,etc. like his original team

[pseudo fable]

I do that today is that good ?

https://pokepast.es/c1fecc5ba7518bef

[patent hatch]

Here’s some sets for Lance https://pokepast.es/7a4afbc6d16bd8a5

[slow abyss]

[quiet salmon]

add a glaceking to t5

[patent hatch]

Draco Meteor doesn't exist ingame so you'll have to change that move out

[gusty burrow]

I didnt add it because its in yours

[gusty burrow]

HUH???
Its valid in the teambuilder though?

[patent hatch]

Showdown it validates but it’s not ingame

When I asked Yoshi about it a year ago they said they didn’t want to do all those movepool cuts for the tutors that don’t exist ingame

[gusty burrow]

I'll change it to Dragon Pulse then

[grave raven]

https://pokepast.es/a85242bdc1b93224 here is my contributions to Lance

https://pokepast.es/3ed5ebc1b4afc3d1 Lorelei's

[grave raven]

https://pokepast.es/073d3d7e294f9a68 Bruno

[grave raven]

https://pokepast.es/f8b8dd1defbd0566 agatha

[quiet salmon]

give kommninja protean fr

[grave raven]

hmm, thats also an option, i was thinking, "Oh thats a Dark/Dragon type? Ima click moonblas-wait that didn't kill?

though base speed of 109 with max speed eevees will outspeed most things so proteon is viable

[keen dawn]

also these moves can be obtained via randomizer i thought

[patent hatch]

Draco Meteor physically does not exist ingame

It wasn’t even listed in debug

[keen dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/elliottsmith-gif-17735773933040762047

is there a list of all existing moves that can be gotten from debug?

[patent hatch]

Uhh no but there are lists for tms and move tutors that actually exist ingame

Want me to link you those

[keen dawn]

yeah

how long has dm been in though

is it just forever

[patent hatch]

https://infinitefusion.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Tutors
https://infinitefusion.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_TMs

Plus Move Expert Tutor but those are correct already

[keen dawn]

ok but is it true that when you play the randomizer the tutors could have draco meteor or nah

cause i have seen these lists, I used them when i originally scraped the learnsets and then made this decision

[patent hatch]

I don’t think move tutors randomize but I’ll go check rq

Randomizing move tutors is not a thing

[keen dawn]

my life is a lie

idrk how to address this since its probably better to just not remove moves for the sake of the established meta pero no se

thank you for your time and help

[patent hatch]

Yeah maybe ask the Tier Leader council how they feel about it

[keen dawn]

yar that was my plan

[marsh sedge]

Ive started useing pincir+ galvanutula to get past magic bounce mons most of them dont do enough dmg to get it off the field in 1 turn so I can get rocks +webs off along with a toxic sometimes

[foggy ermine]

Speaking of Magic Bounce mons

Espeancie has some pretty nice stats for a bulky offensive mon thats less passive than Regitu

Can even set up with CM + Stored Power

[snow pike]

I need need some help teambuilding my gym teams so they aren't too broken

for an event thing

is this too powerful for gym 5? i can imagine if you dont specifically bring a counter that ||cleftox just walls most teams (especially if they don't have a toxic immune)||

only being held back by its mediocre stats but still, that's around level 34 so not all mons will be fully evolved

I don't know if the players can see our teams, if they do that should be no problem but if they can't I don't want to just give them a cheap loss lol

[quiet salmon]

Krill Issue Just Find Poison Or Steel.

[lost yoke]

how do you share teams

[snow pike]

import/export and pokepaste

pokepast.es

[stark egret]

On the pokemon showdown team builder it only shows real pokemon not mixed pokemon

[gusty burrow]

Select a pokemon, and then it will allow you to fuse it

[atomic perch]

https://youtu.be/Nc9eu-IT93g?si=dyvBWjfd-RvnxfCk

[paper raven]

is this beatable i think once u burn up u have a full health wounderguard typles mon

[gusty burrow]

(luckily) wonder guard is banned, also its still weak to status and weather

[raven bay]

Imma steel this for IF Nat Dex doubles AG

[drifting slate]

dex greninja

[frosty garnet]

Greninja's IF Pokédex number is 487!

[patent hatch]

Not the place for that #ask-a-bot is where you should go

[drifting slate]

dex Zeraora

[frosty garnet]

I don't think "Zeraora" is in PIF. :thinking: Did you misspell something?

[drifting slate]

dex kyogre

[frosty garnet]

Kyogre's IF Pokédex number is 340!

[patent hatch]

use #ask-a-bot not here this is not the right channel for this

[drifting slate]

dex marshadow

[frosty garnet]

I don't think "Marshadow" is in PIF. :thinking: Did you misspell something?

[drifting slate]

dex eevee

[frosty garnet]

Eevee's IF Pokédex number is 133!

[drifting slate]

dex beartic

[frosty garnet]

I don't think "Beartic" is in PIF. :thinking: Did you misspell something?

[drifting slate]

dex rowlet

[frosty garnet]

I don't think "Rowlet" is in PIF. :thinking: Did you misspell something?

[drifting slate]

dex darumaka

[frosty garnet]

I don't think "Darumaka" is in PIF. :thinking: Did you misspell something?

[drifting slate]

dex froslass

[frosty garnet]

Froslass's IF Pokédex number is 429!

[drifting slate]

dex sneasel

[frosty garnet]

Sneasel's IF Pokédex number is 215!

[molten birch]

Mods ban this guy

[drifting slate]

sorry didnt know i couldnt use this command here or something

where should I use it

[patent hatch]

Where I’ve told you twice already: #ask-a-bot

[snow pike]

I wonder if this is the strongest possible priority move that you can make

[red spear]

in what format

If it's IF NatDex AG like I assume it is based on the multiple banned things in that image, then the top fusion hits a harder espeed

[modern nimbus]

Anyone have some suggestions for a fighting monotype team? Some restrictions:

• no legendaries (or slaking)
• no sleep, wonder guard, accuracy reduction, or baton pass
  first draft: https://pokepast.es/2f70229451cdb3cd

team idea:
lucacott for prankster priority roar via copycat, amphachamp for accurate zap cannon, toxmo-o for tanky toxic spikes setter, azumaziken for huge power physical atker, metareloom for stealth rock setting and as slow pivot, and umbtop as revenge killer/hazard clear.

Plenty of weaknesses. No weather counterplay, on the slow side, doesn't exploit some of the better available fighting types. Would love your ideas for fighting type fusions or team comps

[quiet salmon]

steel types cannot be poisoned

[modern nimbus]

Swap out metagross for something else, blissey-breloom for example

[winged spear]

@halcyon pulsar

[bitter plume]

Greetings, fellow fusionologists!

[bitter plume]

The debug menu is really good for testing out fusions.

[bitter plume]

Tho this first team I’m testing isn’t going over well

[bitter plume]

Hello?

[patent hatch]

Hi

[normal stirrup]

hellooo

[cunning shale]

Objection: Corrosion.

Counter-Objection:Salazzle is not in IF (Yet)

[bitter plume]

XD

Salazzle would actually be pretty good in PIF

[hexed lotus]

idk, corrosion isn't that good on salazzle

Maybe if it was resisted by steel

[bitter plume]

Oh is Corrosion an ability I don’t know about?

[hexed lotus]

it makes you able to use toxic on steel types. The only one who learns it is salazzle...

[bitter plume]

Oh that sounds cool

[hexed lotus]

since most steels are already weak to fire, salazzle doesn't need it
why did you think salazzle would've been good?

[bitter plume]

Ohh that’s true. But if you were to fuse Salazzle with something and only kept the poison type, that would be good

[gusty burrow]

Corrosion also allows you to poison other poison types, its an incredible ability on an offensive pokemon for some reason

[gusty burrow]

Then they gave an offensive ability to the defensive poison of that generation...

[raven bay]

https://tenor.com/view/geeta-pokemon-anipoke-terastal-glimmora-gif-5687450065953377815

Don’t forget about Glimora

[gusty burrow]

I mean, Glimmora is still offensive

[bitter plume]

Who’s the offensive poison type of Alola? Toxapex?

[gusty burrow]

Salazzle

[snow pike]

This sounds really funny

Maybe even CB
Emergency exit makes locking into a bad move less of a problem

Actually

Could you create an infinite loop of switching with the right combination of hazards and regen+emergency exit

[gusty burrow]

No because you cant get hazards to deal 33%

I cant believe smogon hates fun smh

[quiet salmon]

[raven bay]

Can’t believe people think sleep should be banned when it only takes out one mon for 2+ turns

[fallow sluice]

Shuras (Shuckle) @ Eviolite
Ability: Sturdy
Fusion: Paras
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpA
Brave Nature

• Rage Powder
• Protect
• Crabhammer
• Swords Dance

is this good

i wanted to use paras so i gave it shuckles bulk and eviolite

[red spear]

What format is this for?

Generally you’ll want to at least swap Crabhammer out for a stab option, otherwise you won’t be doing much damage (which you already won’t be with this fusions low attack, so I’d actually recommend having it do something else entirely like Toxic or hazards)

And assuming this is for a singles format, Rage Powder doesn’t do anything

[hexed lotus]

oh new format?

clefable wins that format honestly

curious to make moltres ferrothorn or garchomp

[snow pike]

Yeah clefable is a monster

unaware + magic guard is silly

i already played around with that on sand

[hexed lotus]

so what's the meta like? breaking clef?

[bitter plume]

Look at stats

[hexed lotus]

yeah moltress ferrothon was 100s in def and spdef

it's not skarmory, but it's good numbers

[bitter plume]

Niiiiice

I need to get back to testing my roster.

What I should’ve done is fully evaluate everyone on the roster before actually making the teams.

Because Yknow what I’m starting to realize when I did test a few fusions?

[hexed lotus]

evaluating everyone is pretty hard

besides, it seems like ubers are allows

so magic guard shedinja will be a bit...

[bitter plume]

Yes, it’ll be hard, I mean, you haven’t even seen my roster. But it’ll make testing a bit easier.

[hexed lotus]

so you want to practice rn or something?

[bitter plume]

Practice what? What are we talking about?

[hexed lotus]

doing some matches in if 2 abilities

[bitter plume]

Wait, where?

I don’t get on this chat often, so sorry if I sound stupid

[bitter plume]

There has to be a good way to check out fusion movesets

[bitter plume]

What are these photos from? Is there a research resource I’m not using?

[snow pike]

play.pokeathlon.com

[bitter plume]

Ooooooh

@hexed lotus Was this what you were talking about?

[hexed lotus]

yes

[bitter plume]

Sounds like fun! I’m gonna go through my roster first but I’ll let you know when I’m ready for battle

[bitter plume]

Going through movesets still sucks even with this website

I might still need to do some testing in the game

[bitter plume]

Unless I can get a volunteer in this chat

Anyone wanna help me with something?

[bitter plume]

Yep, this is hard XD
But I’m making progress

[bitter plume]

@hexed lotus Question for our battle: How are we handling IVs and EVs?

[hexed lotus]

I just let showdown do em after you finish the movesets

[bitter plume]

Ah. I just went as evenly as possibly with EVs and chose one of the IV spreads available

Wait

Didn’t see the Max All so I’ll just do that

[hexed lotus]

ok I'm ready

name's illusion911

[bitter plume]

Almost done

Okay I got it.

Challenge sent

Ohhh that’s what 2 abilities meant. I don’t have a team for that 😅

My team is made in IF Dex OU

[hexed lotus]

bruh

[bitter plume]

I’m sorry, I’ve never used this website until today

Wait, I can adjust my team for it. One sec

[hexed lotus]

yeah making a team can take a while, and you're never satisfied

[bitter plume]

I mean, I just used my team from my Pokédex save so it wasn’t too bad. I mean, it’s a really good team

Okay, challenge me to another battle. I’m ready now

Wait I got it

[hexed lotus]

challenged

[bitter plume]

I don’t see it.

Let me try

Wait, it said we’re already in a battle. Did I miss something? Do I have to click somewhere

[hexed lotus]

lemme try again

challenge me

[bitter plume]

I can’t challenge you

And my team is gone

Wait there it is

Yeah this isn’t working

No I got it working. I didn’t realize you were already fighting someone

[hexed lotus]

oh, I can fight multiple at once

[stuck iron]

How i play showdown?

[rich basalt]

#showdown-general message

[ashen jolt]

hi

[timid tulip]

Where can I read the IF Dex OU ruleset

Can’t find it

[lone hull]

what are some good pvp fusion pokemon?

that looks gud too

[lone hull]

so the Pokémon ranked first is the best?

[gusty burrow]

Its just usage stats, but generally speaking more usage = better pokemon

[snow pike]

damn jigrowth fell off

[patent hatch]

It didn’t fall off in viability it’s just low in usage rn

Too many other good defensive steels that people want to use

[raven bay]

Chandelure/Kyruem needs to be higher

[raven bay]

Also: who brought dusktar that many times? Chandelure/Celebi was before the QD ban

[patent hatch]

Oh wait that’s the month before last:

This one is October’s

[patent hatch]

It’s one person constantly laddering with it

[raven bay]

Good to see head smack made it in

[gusty burrow]

Tangrowth/Forretress died lmao

[quiet salmon]

as it should its a fraud

[chrome turret]

I’m surprised I don’t see Ratata + Shedinja more often. Endeavour + Quick Attack is a 2HKO on anything except ghost types; 1HKO if you have Toxic Spikes up; and Normal/Ghost with Wonder Guard means that only Dark attacks can hurt you… But the only post I saw about it was 5 years ago x.x

[patent hatch]

Because Wonder Guard is banned to Ubers

[chrome turret]

Ahhhh that makes sense

[snow pike]

stealth rock also exists :p

(of course if you're using shedinja you'll want to have partners that can prevent hazards from going up or remove them)

[patent hatch]

Stealth Rock, Spikes, and Toxic Spikes all counter that, along with any poison or burn, weather chip, or mold breaker, sunsteel strike, moongeist beam, or photon geyser to all ignore the ability

[shrewd glen]

https://pokepast.es/49a83562b432b6a7 is this team good?

[orchid field]

It’s ok but there’s a lot I would change personally

[shrewd glen]

like what

[orchid field]

Snorcor should be roost over protect. Usually snorcor are max Spdef and not max def but since you don’t have a physical wall on you team it’s fine

Latios+Lurantis is too slow to be threatening and not bulky enough to wall effectively without recovery I would replace it

Greninja +Mew is out class but other Greninja fusion. Some like Chandlure+ Greninja for example would be better cause of it higher sptack

Your team has no way to control hazards or set up your own so you should add something for that

[shrewd glen]

what about this https://pokepast.es/d85a6be63364e011

[teal mango]

did not expect to scroll up and see mr homeless

[limber portal]

68

[eternal basalt]

it's been a while but a few have been added:
abilities: disguise, wonder guard, drizzle | drought | sand stream | snow warning
moves: geomancy, double iron bash, boomburst, vcreate, electrify, quiver dance

[hushed junco]

ok damn

[tepid mulch]

hello

[hollow agate]

Can you say something about my team?

I'm not very good at team building

[wicked dome]

Balanced hackmons im guessing

I think it's nice

Oh wait it's fusions

Yeah it's nice

What does red mean

[hollow agate]

Illegal

[raven bay]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[mighty vale]

Imagine i make a fairy/ghost shedinja clefable fusion and just cook

[eternal basalt]

that was very good back when the Infinite Fusion 2 Abilities meta didn't have any bans yet

[pure heart]

I will never stop believing in blissey cofagrigus

[kindred horizon]

Hey guys what format do i need to use to get my pokemon to fuse on showdown

[patent hatch]

IF Dex formats will let you fuse

[olive quest]

I made this quick team with some pokemons i liked the ev spread and mvoes arent finalised but could someone tell me how this is

Metahelmise (Metagross) @ Choice Band
Ability: Steelworker
Tera Type: Steel
Fusion: Dhelmise
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Anchor Shot
• Power Whip
• Rapid Spin
• Bullet Punch

Chandelninja (Chandelure) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protean
Tera Type: Ghost
Fusion: Greninja
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Flamethrower
• Extrasensory
• Ice Beam
• Sludge Wave

Krookosopod (Krookodile) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Ground
Fusion: Golisopod
EVs: 168 HP / 252 Atk / 88 Spe
Adamant Nature

• First Impression
• Liquidation
• Earthquake
• Aqua Jet

Umbslash (Umbreon) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Stance Change
Tera Type: Dark
Fusion: Aegislash
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• King's Shield
• Wish
• Shadow Ball
• Dark Pulse

Scigron (Scizor) @ Leftovers
Ability: Rock Head
Tera Type: Bug
Fusion: Aggron
Alt: a
EVs: 248 HP / 56 Atk / 204 SpD
Impish Nature

• Stealth Rock
• Head Smash
• Toxic
• Roost

Sylmo-o (Sylveon) @ Throat Spray
Ability: Pixilate
Tera Type: Fairy
Fusion: Kommo-o
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Clangorous Soul
• Boomburst
• Clanging Scales
• Focus Blast

[gusty burrow]

Krookodile/Golisopod doesnt need 2 priority moves, it could use some utility moves instead (also mostly outclassed by gliscor/golisopod)
Umbreon doesnt need both shadow ball and dark pulse
I'm not sure what format this is, throat spray and clangorous soul are gen8 but theres no natdex mons

[raven bay]

Spectral thief for umbslash, ditch scigron

Maybe add a regenerator mon

[sacred heron]

Opinion on a team made in 5 minutes looking at the top 6 mons and a personal brew to stop snorcor (the Ferrotslash, also in 5 minutes)

https://pokepast.es/4ff5c5cd80f4ccb6

[gusty burrow]

Pretty sure that Ferroslash would lose the 1v1

Team lacks hazards or hazard removal, but its made of a bunch of solid mons

[fiery stirrup]

hello

[tight dawn]

Yo guys does anyone hv a discord server thats mainly showdown?

[wise fog]

https://discord.gg/HgTPRty6
@eternal basalt tried to send it and got automodded - will add this disc link to the showdown tag when i get time!

[lilac fossil]

can i have a list of illegal pkmn ? 🙂

[soft stirrup]

it shows wich moves are banned. but not mon.

[patent hatch]

Mons that are banned in the format won’t show up normally in the first place and will say illegal before clicking on them anyways

[brittle nest]

YOU !!
-# should probably know that that wasn't a permanent server link

[wise fog]

i know, which is why it wasnt added to the tag 😛

still on my to do list, which is large at the mo, with little time to strike things off

[brittle nest]

fair enough

good luck with doing things

[wise fog]

~~and technically speaking, i am 80% sure that the showdown managers have access to tag edit anyway ~~

[eternal basalt]

the one I sent that got automodded was permanent, dunno if you have access to that

[red spear]

We do???

[wise fog]

I can double check that, I am overhauling a lot of the dyno perms soon anyway, if you don't it will be changed immediately, try ''/tag create''

[red spear]

Uhm

I’ll try it when I get home tomorrow

[wise fog]

double checked, you do indeed!

its a staff perm 🙂

[red spear]

Woahg

[peak ridge]

Any If DexOU enjoyers awake?

I was playing some gen4 OU and found a Heatran that looked like this.

Has anyone else done experimenting with "Torment" in IFdexOU?
Any fusions or tips?
Im bringing my stuff, hope to see yours.

[quiet salmon]

that background is crazy

[lavish mica]

Funny idea

[gusty burrow]

Scarf Trick Room and Flame Orb on a fire type

[median lava]

horn drill is banned

[patent hatch]

No Guard doesn’t work with OHKO moves either

[lavish mica]

Idea was to use trick room to switch to no guard, then use him later to set up or sacrifice same with rain dance. As for flame orb I’m just stupid.

Sorry didn’t see horn drill was banned? Would make total sense though. As for no guard and OHKO I’ve used it before on hackmons so I just assumed it’d work for fusion

[patent hatch]

It’s changed here because the game changed it

They don’t work anymore

[late leaf]

What we thinking

[normal plank]

lemme go one at a time