showdown-teambuilding

[slim mesa]

I use Snorlax + Gliscor, no I am not

[upper granite]

Also theory crafting is a big part of team building, so spending time on a team just for it to be ass is to be expected

[upper granite]

As long it's not Sylveon it's manageable

[slim mesa]

Sylveon is bad anyways

[slim mesa]

I feel like a lot of people hyper focused that part...making each individual pokemon work instead of making a team of pokemons work

[broken wyvern]

MORE .

[slim mesa]

Who let this man in the kitchen?

[unreal copper]

rapid spin and stealth rock in the same set doesnt sound right

[upper granite]

Not rlly, first turn is usually hazard setters, might as well remove it

[rapid glade]

You can use both
It's not like rapid spin is removing your own rocks

It's just worth being aware that this can demand a lot of the individual mon (since they need to both set up rocks and remove them, which are both opportunities to be worn down)

[sage lodge]

I cooked

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=totalsylv-danielshadow-1700445699761

[slim mesa]

I'm seeing the preview...
oh no

[unreal copper]

this is optimal i swear

peak gameplay

[broken wyvern]

IK for a fact this will not work (especially since you'll probably see steel ground types ready to rip this a new one with its terrible speed) but hey funny magnet pull coffin

[gilded crown]

my brother in christ you lost

[patent hatch]

He said he cooked, he didn't say it was good cooking

[gilded crown]

get him out of the kitchen

[sage lodge]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=almightymilkman-totalsylv-1700446574644

We cooked

[broken wyvern]

not sure why i elected to make this a thing but here we are (there are much worse ones than this)

[unreal copper]

anything i should change about this team before i take it into some battles?

https://pokepast.es/e628d9d9c77bc558

[hard holly]

I can't fucking breathe

I have so many questions

Why did they use extreme-speed with all of them?

Why no switching?

Why all mons choiced?

Life sure is a mystery...

[unreal copper]

peak gameplay

[hard holly]

Idk

When I make a team I'm going to make a team that I truly love, without giving too much importance to competitive viability

(little do they know)

[sage lodge]

I have only extreme speed on them

[hard holly]

Why

[sage lodge]

because funny

[hard holly]

Objection: Milk funnier

[robust rapids]

best lycanroc fusion I could come up with

[brisk pebble]

How about this?

[broken wyvern]

what would be more better to have steelix as the body or cofagrius as the body?

[slim mesa]

Good Idea

I'm gonna steal it

[brisk pebble]

Probably the latter so it doesn't get toxic'd

[broken wyvern]

figured

[upper granite]

i outspeed and 2 shot

[upper granite]

didnt see technicion and 350 base atk

and mach punch im blind

i need a haze user

[azure cairn]

Is there a damage calc for infinite fusion?

[upper granite]

nope

thats why choice band isnt used

[azure cairn]

Damn

I want to see how much Flutter Mane/ Calyrex shadow rider Tera ghost specs astral barrage does

[timid gust]

That sentence alone is why I will never touch natdex fusions

[azure cairn]

LOL

[upper granite]

litterally whats the point

this is why IF ou is better

[azure cairn]

I would love if there was a current gen VGC but with fusions

[broken wyvern]

Cofagtres (Cofagrigus) @ Leftovers
Ability: Mummy
Fusion: Moltres
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Protect
• Will-O-Wisp
• Roost
• Hex

not sure what moves to change around on this

[upper granite]

is their a use for the coffin fusions?

[broken wyvern]

for when i want to use them for other teams later

that and i like cofagrius.

[upper granite]

wanna 1v1 with them? my user is Zerupy

[broken wyvern]

sure i suppose!

[upper granite]

alr send the invite

[brisk pebble]

I have upgraded the Chef

[mortal spire]

I hate this

Demon clef but worse

[upper granite]

vcreate

[green parcel]

I've fought these once or twice and I hated it.

[brisk pebble]

My old chef

[upper granite]

why?

[brisk pebble]

I just love watching so many people struggle to break through it

[green parcel]

best defense is to have an unaware mon with leech seed

[brisk pebble]

super effective hits just bounce off it

[brisk pebble]

it can stall with Softboiled

Unfortunately it suffers from 4 move syndrome

[upper granite]

good

[brisk pebble]

If it uses Calm Mind, Iron Defence, and Soft-boiled, its last offensive move can't be stored power, becuz otherwise dark types just wall it

[upper granite]

good

[brisk pebble]

Don't worry, i'm finding ways to... "fix" it

[upper granite]

for the love of god dont

[brisk pebble]

Otherwise, a +6 Moonblast is still powerful

[green parcel]

leech seed for dark types and stored power for everything else. Not quite as broadly useful but still really strong

[brisk pebble]

Also, it's not invincible.
You can kill it before it sets up
You can Haze/Spectral Thief it
You can force it to switch with Whirlwind/Roar/Dragon Tail, etc

Alternatively... (it can get toxic'd though)

[topaz cedar]

finally getting somewhere with this team

https://pokepast.es/dba1cb0875a66c19

the dragonite/mimikyu spot is still tbd if it'll stay or not but so far everything else is starting to work better

[open lily]

Registeel

[hollow talon]

Not done yet, but judge my first 3 for a sorta main OU team? Might sprite the dog I like em
https://pokepast.es/7e9b98d65b7de1af

I wanna use mons that either I like, or aren't used lol
Jinine is just for Sylvern counter

[brisk pebble]

Your sets are... very mixed...

If you wanted a better Sylvern counter, u could use this instead. Hits much harder

[upper granite]

uhhhhh, idk meta is kinda odd... you would probubly be outsped

[hollow talon]

Yes my in-game comp brain says to have coverage moves and go all physical or special

[brisk pebble]

And if u use Sacred Fire and they switch into a physical attacker, 60% chance to burn

Wait, wrong image

[hollow talon]

o h

[hollow talon]

I see

[brisk pebble]

Replaced Sunstrike steel with Extremespeed

[hollow talon]

But Sacred Fire is special

[hollow talon]

SINCE WHEN

oh wait

Mystical Fire

[chrome adder]

isnt geomancy gonna be banned or smth?

[brisk pebble]

Oh wait... it's 50% chance to burn? Forget it then, it's 100% chance to burn with Serene Grace

[hollow talon]

ffs I mixed up my legendary signature moves nvm

[brisk pebble]

It's still being debated i think

So far, there's no fusions with Geomancy that are broken

[hollow talon]

Bye Arcanine

[brisk pebble]

It's strong no doubt, but not without counters

[chrome adder]

Isnt milian1 team have a geomancy or smth

[chrome adder]

what counters it then

[upper granite]

are you sure?

[hollow talon]

Dark type Cradily boom idk

[brisk pebble]

Fought this a couple of times. Shit stats multipled by Geomancy barely puts it slightly above IF's meta, but gets rekt by physical threats, or stalls

[chrome adder]

• the Numerous amount of Other broken celebi fusions

[upper granite]

yea

ban geomancy ban pixelate

[chrome adder]

Theres better fusions than Celebi/bibarel

[brisk pebble]

I have yet to meet a Celebi fusion i can't just take a hit and return it to the graveyard

Also for my balanced team... i have the Chef... so...

[unkempt pelican]

whats the most meta mon atm?

[upper granite]

depends

[brisk pebble]

Just becuz your Pikachu gets rekt by something doesn't make that something overpowered and should be banned

[chrome adder]

Howabt my trash/Random bs team

[brisk pebble]

like how many ppl called for Sylvern's ban, until they realized they can make stuff much... much... worse than it

[unkempt pelican]

yeah fr

[chrome adder]

Also i just realized smth

[upper granite]

thats why i said we should wait a mounth for the metagame to develope, and then suspect check mons/abilites that are broken

[unkempt pelican]

this thing swept a guys team in a 1v6 and imo its better then sylvern

[brisk pebble]

if there's an actual broken Geromancy fusion, then yeah, ban it, but for now, it's not as broken as u might think

[chrome adder]

Thick bone Marowak/Kingambit or Marowak/Ghost dog as the last mon. @brisk pebble

[brisk pebble]

Thick bone banned in OU

Stop pinging me with natdex nonsense

idk anything abt gen 9

[unkempt pelican]

how should i build this?

[chrome adder]

I mean AG

[upper granite]

MORE BULK

[unkempt pelican]

alright

[chrome adder]

What do you think would take this done

[brisk pebble]

It's very RNG heavy... but it looks fun...

[brisk pebble]

i also don't play AG

[unkempt pelican]

idk its missing smth though

[chrome adder]

who do you know who does?

[unkempt pelican]

ive built it specially and physically now

[brisk pebble]

if i don't play AG, do u think i would know?

[upper granite]

i will never play ag

[unkempt pelican]

anyone who uses wobbufet or wynaut

[chrome adder]

too many broken fusions?

[unkempt pelican]

i did and never wanna again

wanna see the one thing i versed

[chrome adder]

sure

[unkempt pelican]

that made me never wanna return

lemme grab the link

[hollow talon]

Ok judge this thing
I also can't tell which flip is better? Type wise both have up and downsides, leaning towards Bug tho

[unkempt pelican]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=thelunaticphantom-llanfairpwllgwyngy-1700385387753

[chrome adder]

thats ou.

[unkempt pelican]

wait worng one

i believe this is the one

nope

[chrome adder]

nvm
thats ass.

Holy shit

[unkempt pelican]

theres a team with 6 wobbufets

and they shadow tag perish song

i managed to win with 2 ghost types but holy

[chrome adder]

that Jirachi/Xatu
god that was Ann

annoying

[chrome adder]

also
WHO RUNS THAT??

[unkempt pelican]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=itiselementary-thelunaticphantom-1700366851415

here watch this

[unkempt pelican]

ong

what does everyone run on jirachi ambipom?

[chrome adder]

@unkempt pelican Just use Hyper drill
breaks protect

Wait let me see what also breaks protect

[upper granite]

the fact that smeargul exsit in ag is one of the reasons why i wouldnt run it

[brisk pebble]

Not the best but not the worst. Having Eviolite boost its meagre bulk means nothing, it'll still get one shot on either fusion.
You're better off picking stronger stats + focus sash instead
But otherwise, i like the right one better

[hollow talon]

Dang, I didn't feel like calc'ing the eviolite boost xD
Cool, bootleg Aerodactyl time!

[chrome adder]

Also does anyone else even use Dudunsparce other than me?

[upper granite]

most people here play if dex ou

[chrome adder]

natdex?

i meant

[brisk pebble]

If you really want to use Lycanroc, i made this earlier

[hollow talon]

Breloom pog!

[chrome adder]

Are you talking abt natdex or Gen 7 dex

[dreamy lion]

No the regional, infinite fusion dex that has loads of custo sprites for fusions

[brisk pebble]

If you can setup Swords Dance, that Accelrock and Mach Punch hits so god damned hard

The focus sash is mainly to stop Revenge killers like PoryZ/Dragonite with ExtremeSpeed

so don't use it to set up Swords Dance raw unless u have to

[hollow talon]

[unkempt pelican]

reverse sweep?

[brisk pebble]

Damn, that's scary

Its sp.def is weak, and the speed is quite slow...

so... watch about for fast special attackers like Sylvern

[unkempt pelican]

yeah ik

it swept tho

[shadow lion]

Review this team (OU team)
I still have to add 2 more pokemon

I tried this in a 4v6 and won

[unkempt pelican]

nerf this team fr

i dont wanna vs this

[shadow lion]

its only 4 POKEMON

there is still 2 more slots

[unkempt pelican]

anything i could improve?

ive been building this team ALOT

[shadow lion]

if you could get extreme speed, you would wipe

[topaz cedar]

you could probably use a hard fire counter

[unkempt pelican]

ill check

[unkempt pelican]

oh alright

[topaz cedar]

lot of weaknesses to fire

[unkempt pelican]

what mon should i replace?

[topaz cedar]

hmm

[unkempt pelican]

also sylvern just gopt heatwave

yk what i might replace the rng mon

[topaz cedar]

maybe bewear?

[unkempt pelican]

nah its my sweeper so i might get rid of jigrigus

[topaz cedar]

makes sense actually

i'd say something that resists fire and ground if possible

[unkempt pelican]

alright

so grass water type

[topaz cedar]

yeah probably

[upper granite]

remove the cancer from your team ( slyvern )

[unkempt pelican]

alright 😭

[topaz cedar]

slyvern is fine lmao

[rapid glade]

Dont remove it
Farm the free elo while you still can

[topaz cedar]

the risk in the team is the weaknesses being shared by your 4 steel types

cancer is showdown code for "i dont like that that's good"

[light lion]

https://pokepast.es/f36e51860fa85453
I need help with my team

[upper granite]

what do you need help with

[light lion]

Feedback on how to change my current team from semistall to balance/bo

[topaz cedar]

I think your gliscor/blastoise could use a water move

[unkempt pelican]

it doesnt resist ground but i might run this

[topaz cedar]

same deal with a lot of shared weakness but with ground if i'm guessing your types correctly from that

[topaz cedar]

still covers ground offensively though which helps

[unkempt pelican]

yeah its the main reason i got it

ima test trial it

[upper granite]

que into ou inf dex

alr im fighting you

[unkempt pelican]

yeah lol

[worthy anvil]

Calling it for the night, but here's what my current team's at. Any suggestions for how I can improve it?

[honest umbra]

trick room team

any ideas on what I can improve

[rapid glade]

Maybe replace worry seed on wob with something else? You already have gastro acid on the pex, so with another move like leech seed or even stun spore, it can be more proactive instead of only being a stop gap to sweepers

Since you're using pex, no reason to use protect over baneful bunker

Honestly the main thing im seeing is a lack of breaking power. Most of the mons are more passive walls, without tools like toxic that apply pressure over time. Probably better to experiment with the team for yourself to analyze it more in depth, but one thing i thought of would be to try special attack investment on magnezing over special defense?

[worthy anvil]

Oops, meant to remove worry seed when I added Toxapex. It was my most recent addition so I made it in a bit of a hurry (hence the protect) Think I’ll try out leech seed, I was running encore before but the extra damage/recovery from leech seed seems nice ^^

Magnezing was originally max SpA, but I ended up having more success w/ the bulkier set. I’m up for trying the more offensive one out again tho ^^

[rapid glade]

Ah okay
I think either spread has a valid place. Just that with all the walls you've got already some more firepower would be appreciated

[hollow heath]

I would consider using an espeon fusion for magic bouncing taunt

Also, the marowak fusion is a bit weak - bad typing and easy to exploit by the super popular skarmory and gliscor based fusions while also being weak to the most popular offensive types atm

Magneturne is super interesting but I’d have to play with it to see if it’s strong, the Dusclops pex is obv a demon but I’d recommend p2 pex as an option to test

Gets teleport which is super strong

Try metagross/dhelmise over meta scizor

[rapid glade]

With thick club ban
Rhydon is better as a rampardos head (ground with rock head)

I mean you should really be running band on it anyways but you also get the upgrade from AV to eviolite (once they patch it to be 1.5x again)

[rapid glade]

This is gen 7, teleport still has no effect in battle

[hollow heath]

nah it works

Try it

have used it in like 20 games

IF OU

but nah yeah the big stat from rampardos just isnt worth the bad typing and move pool imo, there’s so many other good options with demon offensive typings

[rapid glade]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=timemmmm-timrtrt-1700461383464

It doesnt work

[hollow heath]

Must have changed that recently, is it possible to go back and grab old replays?

Used it like 2 days ago

[rapid glade]

Yeah they should have all of them still on there

Just search ur username

Def agree with meta dhelmise over scizor

With trick room you need to go all in offense
Which this team isnt really doing enough of

Dhelmise boosts metagross's best attack

[hollow heath]

where would I search that?

actually I’ll figure it out don’t wanna clog up chat

[rapid glade]

Theres a little search bar on the site with my replay

[hollow heath]

Thanks

I have a ton of tr demons cooked up, mag nidoking is crazy for coverage

Sylveon rampardos isn’t great but really funny

144 fairy double edge does way more than you’d think

[worthy anvil]

Oops, just noticed I forgot to change my EVs for Flytei when I switched back to scarf ^^; Pretend they aren’t messed up ^^;

[honest umbra]

bit late but I needed dark type coverage and bug worked really well for it

[honest umbra]

not disregarding what you're saying but A. rock ground covers most things and B. resists fire which jirachi/tangrowth baits in

also jirachi is also my secondary trick room setter

[hollow heath]

rock ground covers most things in regular showdown, but a lot of the strong walls resist it in this format imo

[honest umbra]

could I have some examples?

def swapping for rhydon though

[hollow heath]

gliscor pex is a big one

registeel plus a bunch of flying types is a popular idea

I see one of those pretty much every other game

[honest umbra]

what would I replace it with

[hollow heath]

I think something with grass coverage would help a lot, or something with freeze dry

Lemme pull up a set I use that beats both

[honest umbra]

preferably a fire resist as well

mostly because I need that for like half my team to live

[brisk pebble]

I wonder how viable can this be?
Gravity means Mankey Paw's accuracy drop is negated (for 5 turns), so u get crit Iron Heads, Extremespeeds, and Sacred Fires

[honest umbra]

have you tested if that works

[brisk pebble]

No, gotta work

might test it tonight if no1 does

[honest umbra]

eh no guard works it's probably fine

[brisk pebble]

Mankey Paw is hardcoded to not work with No Guard
Although it currently does, it's been confirmed by yoshi that it's a bug and has been fixed in the code ready to be patched

[honest umbra]

yeah but if they had an oversight with no guard then gravity prolly works

[brisk pebble]

I already tested, gravity or anything that gives +2 accuracy negates the accuracy drop (that said if your move doesn't have 100% accuracy, it can still miss)

i'm just wondering if it's viable

[honest umbra]

I mean it has the damage and a strong priority move

[hollow heath]

I’ve got something I’ve used before that beats both of the defensive mons, but it is fire weak

[honest umbra]

just send it

it'll be good as an idea at least

[hollow heath]

on my phone so my ss is scuffed

[honest umbra]

EVs?

[hollow heath]

Hyper beam is troll and I switch it out but it’s a funny idea for last turn of tr

252+ on spa 252 hp min speed

[honest umbra]

actually it doesnt really matter

too many special attackers

3/4 of my offense would be special

and that would be fucked

[hollow heath]

Yeah I could try to cook up something similar

Maybe worth grass knot as a coverage move on something else you have

Or hp grass if you have to

Grass covg instead of focus blast on cacturne

[honest umbra]

i remember putting that there for some specific reason

i forgor

it's probably fine

[hollow heath]

Well you don’t have a fighting move

[honest umbra]

it's fine

wouldn't energy ball work better than grass knot tho

[hollow heath]

not against glispex but generally yes

actually idk how heavy that fusion is so yeah probably

could put superpower on the scizor for fighting covg

[honest umbra]

thinking about ground fairy

[hollow heath]

like to replace something on your team

[honest umbra]

to replace rhydon/rampardos

granbull is amazing for this

how's this look

not a ground resist but eviolite + neutrality is good enough i think

gonna run stone edge over close combat to handle the flying types

[azure cairn]

guys if u use ivy cudgel does it base off of the ogerpon form all the time

or can i somehow make it another type

[robust rapids]

hit all those juicy 4x weaknesses

[red spear]

Yes

[brisk pebble]

Tested this. it's a little slow, and without STAB, a crit Espeed is kinda weak, back to the drawing board

[chrome adder]

Do i go Torrent or moxie for my Tinkaton/quaquaval?

[wide sparrow]

moxie

[jaunty geode]

Did I say I would look at your team I can’t remember?

[chrome adder]

oh yeah
Do you need the link?

https://pokepast.es/1415e3936d44b980

heres the link

[jaunty geode]

Let’s start with the good your toed and tinkaton are good

And your inferaoe probably should use flare blitz over fire punch

[chrome adder]

wait

I forgor which team this is

Found it

[chrome adder]

done

what else?

[jaunty geode]

Your hydrogen(dragon dark type)is fused with aridoes

Why?

[chrome adder]

Is there any good Dark/poison fusion that has roost and Tailwind?

• also have levitate

[sage lodge]

Meloetta supporter huh

[jaunty geode]

Hydra has got all of them

[sage lodge]

I also am hoping meloetta gets in thx to the raffle pick

[jaunty geode]

Why are you fusing it with the bug

[chrome adder]

yeah
@jaunty geode what else am i supposed to fuse it with?
Weezing?

[jaunty geode]

are you going for defensive or offensive

[sage lodge]

Either meloetta or Tynamo line

[chrome adder]

Both ig?

[jaunty geode]

Gengar snd iron moth for more offensive slow king galar okidogi or toxpex for more defensive

[brisk pebble]

Hydreigon/Ariados is really good, but u used it for the wrong reasons
It's meant to be a bulky support with Sticky Web and u turn, with access to options like Toxic and Roost

[chrome adder]

ok i'm doing gengar and iron moth but i cant decide if i should go for sludge bomb or sludge wave

Also Booster energy or BLack sludge?

[jaunty geode]

Which has the higher bp

[jaunty geode]

Depends on how long you want around

[chrome adder]

sludge wave

ok i chose these moves

God its HP is so low

[jaunty geode]

Yeah okie no black sludge just boosted speed or spe atk

[chrome adder]

Alr
also can also you help with this other team?

[wide sparrow]

i didn't really liked to have too much fairy (the main weakness of my team in AG), so i changed a thing with this x)

[jaunty geode]

Maybe later my school about start so but before I go one last thing about your team is don’t use special moves on physical attack sweeper

[chrome adder]

yeah
I got it

[brisk pebble]

Looks decent. Might be a little hard to pull off Moxie, but it might serve as a decent revenge killer

[wide sparrow]

because here's my team, fairy ain't my friend x)

[brisk pebble]

Mewtwo? Playing AG? Can't help u there then, idk how busted AG has gotten

[jaunty geode]

Ag just looks like a mess

We need a tier below for acullay Ubers

[brisk pebble]

Yeah, your Jirachi/Pinsir might've been fine in OU, but in Ubers, it's a... bug

[wide sparrow]

yeah, but i don't play to be the more competive possible, i just play to have fun with my sprites

i mean, if i were really competitive i wouldn't play sableye/krabby for exemple x)

[brisk pebble]

Blasphemy

[chrome adder]

Caffeine
What do i give to my Tinkaton/quaquaval honestly?

[brisk pebble]

I didn't understand a single word u said. I don't know either of those mons becuz i never played gen 9, and i explicitly told u that this morning

[chrome adder]

oh rigjt

[lost panther]

Regarding the update, eviolite giving 1.5 Def if "either" mons are nfe means that you only need 1 of them nfe and you get full 1.5x?

[keen dawn]

yes

if it ends up being overpowered we will ban it

[honest umbra]

why tf did dusclops pass under the bar here

[hushed junco]

wait

you just made one of my "aces" .25 stronger

[honest umbra]

also man my fucking rhydon just got screwed

[wide sparrow]

or you can have eviolite that works like this and eviolith that is all mons have to be NFE for the boost

[hushed junco]

@indigo leaf they buffed our your creation

[keen dawn]

i wouldn't say i have the power to add an imaginary item to the game

[hushed junco]

Eviolith would be a very bad addition

knowing the power creep of PIF's mons

[wide sparrow]

it's not an imaginary item tho

[hushed junco]

yeah

Eviolith does the opposite

and is a hackmons exclusive iirc

it adds 1.5 to atk and Sp.A

you want this with 466 Sp.A?

[wide sparrow]

when i say the boost, i was talking about the other way eviolite was

[hushed junco]

oh

fair

[vernal vale]

Is it possible to pin the showdown server somewhere?

I hate to go to announcments everytime

[chrome adder]

theres a link in the menu/home screen

[hushed junco]

#showdown-general

also

just bookmark the site

you dont have to go through discord every time you want to open a site

[vernal vale]

Yea im talking about phone

But just found the bookmark on my phone too

Thx anyways

[quiet salmon]

not hackmons its joltemons

[hushed junco]

or that

[brisk pebble]

Man... what have i done... Eviolite is gonna be a problem now

[jaunty geode]

Then we ban evioliye and that’s that

[honest umbra]

what'd you do

[compact pebble]

I wonder you guys can find a good fusion for carracosta?

Like for fightingh purposes

[vernal vale]

im on it

[compact pebble]

An Idea I had is Shell smashing solid rock Carraterra

[upper granite]

Poryz entai, you get v create and adaptability

[vernal vale]

yea it's either use shell smash or you can go full body press mode with the insane defense

i think it could be better in doubles but rn it has no playerbase kinda

[quiet salmon]

carraterra

is this carracosta torterra

114 def is not remotely insane defense

[vernal vale]

i meant you either go into the shell smash route

or you go to defense route

but shell smash is banned anyways

[quiet salmon]

theres probably a billion other better water grounds

[vernal vale]

i think you are missing the point a bit

[quiet salmon]

the question is flawed bc carracosta is bad

brings no unique thing to the table

[vernal vale]

it brings a few

but you are still missing the point

zero just wanted to know a good carracosta set

[rich basalt]

Time to run knock off on all of my mons

[fervent thorn]

Link pls

[upper granite]

knock off

[upper granite]

check pins

in general

http://play.pokeathlon.com/

[quiet salmon]

it only provides water with knock and rocks and considering this is fusions its inherently very easy to get those moves

questions just flawed there isnt a good carracosta fusion

[upper granite]

nothing rlly gets sticky webs

[brisk pebble]

That's oversimplifying something broken with a "simple solution"

[dreamy lion]

I need eviolite so my Scyther stops getting one shot by E-speeds

[flat relic]

⡏⠉⠛⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⣿
⣿⠀⠀⠀⠈⠛⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠿⠛⠉⠁⠀⣿
⣿⣧⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠙⠿⠿⠿⠻⠿⠿⠟⠿⠛⠉⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣸⣿
⣿⣿⣷⣄⠀⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣴⣿⣿
⣿⣿⣿⣿⠏⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠠⣴⣿⣿⣿⣿
⣿⣿⣿⡟⠀⠀⢰⣹⡆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣭⣷⠀⠀⠀⠸⣿⣿⣿⣿
⣿⣿⣿⠃⠀⠀⠈⠉⠀⠀⠤⠄⠀⠀⠀⠉⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⢿⣿⣿⣿
⣿⣿⣿⢾⣿⣷⠀⠀⠀⠀⡠⠤⢄⠀⠀⠀⠠⣿⣿⣷⠀⢸⣿⣿⣿
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⣿⣿⣿⣧⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢹⣿⣿
⣿⣿⣿⣿⠃⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⣿⣿

[quiet salmon]

why scyther

[flat relic]

Which Pokemon is your favorite

[dreamy lion]

Scyther had decent speed+ attack while being NFE, and theres a silly fusion sprite it has

[quiet salmon]

its also bug locked

[dreamy lion]

Nope!

Flying body nowadays

Eviolite Gligar could be something, but then you miss out on poison heal

[muted oar]

Is that something you've done?

[dreamy lion]

Nidoqueen and Nidoking get baneful bunker, that’s pretty tight

[brisk pebble]

They were still trying to figure out the problem, got them to figure out that Eviolite is actually more busted than my assumptions and went ahead with fixing it

if i kept my mouth shut, we probably could've just ignored it lol

[shadow lion]

I need full immunity to sound based moves via fairy, what moves should i give it?

Im getting tired of pixilate boom burst sweeps

[brisk pebble]

Too slow for me, if you really are afraid of Sylvern, there's Jirachi/Entei
Serene Grace + Iron Head (60% flinch) + Sacred Flame (100% chance to burn)
Quad resistant to fairy

[muted oar]

It looked like you were the one trying to convince them not to change it. I don't think you played any role in preventing it from being fixed

[muted oar]

Just run electrode, it has soundproof and outspeeds basically everything

[shadow lion]

2 other moves?

[shadow lion]

Can it get any moves to counter fairy/dragon?

[brisk pebble]

I use this

[shadow lion]

ok cool cool

I need 2 other mons

[brisk pebble]

If you want a speed boosting nature, you'll need to switch ESpeed with something else

[shadow lion]

sp via - spa

[muted oar]

No, but that's what the fusion is for. Fuse it with a pokemon that has Ice/Poison/Steel.

[brisk pebble]

During day 1, people used Sylveon/Electrode with Soundproof just to counter Sylvern. Not sure why Sylveon though

[shadow lion]

Oh yeah

[shadow lion]

I NEED 2 MORE MONS

any ideas

[brisk pebble]

what's your current team?

[timid gust]

Thoughts on this fella?

[jaunty geode]

Ice rock type thus bad

[timid gust]

Thats ground not rock

[shadow lion]

thats ground 💀

[timid gust]

fish is having one of his moments again

[jaunty geode]

Can’t read

[shadow lion]

get glasses

[jaunty geode]

Im all ways haveing my moments

[timid gust]

he already has glasses

[jaunty geode]

I already have

[jaunty geode]

How did you know that

[timid gust]

your avatar lol

[brisk pebble]

You're lacking defensive pivots and/or supports

[shadow lion]

So what should i do?

[brisk pebble]

Basically we fought for a few turns earlier yeah?

[shadow lion]

yuh uh

[brisk pebble]

Remember how i switched to Hydreigon/Ariados to take a free hit?

[jaunty geode]

Oooo all right it just I wear glasses in real and thought you were like someone I knew for a second

[brisk pebble]

Hydos basically took 3 hits, set up sticky web, and none of my Pokemon took a single dmg, despite switching 4 times

[shadow lion]

no.

[shadow lion]

cool

[brisk pebble]

That's what a defensive pivot is for

[shadow lion]

OHHHH

[brisk pebble]

Of your 4 mons, only Jitei is bulky enough to switch in

[shadow lion]

So i need a pokemon that is good for switiching im

and can set up like a good pivot such as sticky web or stealth rocks

[timid gust]

lmao no xD
unless... 👁️

[chrome adder]

@brisk pebble are you up for fighting?

[brisk pebble]

Well it also has to be threatening on its own. A defensive pivot that does nothing is a chance for opponents to set up

[brisk pebble]

In a meeting

[shadow lion]

what meeting?!?!

[chrome adder]

ugh

[brisk pebble]

Work

[chrome adder]

Airborne
You up for fighting?

[shadow lion]

How are you texting?

[shadow lion]

Yeah

[brisk pebble]

Zoom call

[chrome adder]

name?

[brisk pebble]

I'm typing on my phone

[shadow lion]

airbornepenguins 💀

[shadow lion]

how are you not getting caught

[brisk pebble]

No camera

[shadow lion]

Im on top of the leaderboard or name list

[brisk pebble]

I can multi task

[shadow lion]

GEN 8?

Wuh

[chrome adder]

Natdex

[shadow lion]

WAIT WAIT WAIT

WHY IS HUGE POWER BANNED?

[chrome adder]

...

do you not know why its banned.

[shadow lion]

no :()

i use it in gen 7 OU

[brisk pebble]

Weird, i thought i validated it earlier

[chrome adder]

...ITS OVERPOWERED

[shadow lion]

OH BECAUSE IT GEN 9 THERES BETTER POKEMON?

THATS WHY I STAY ON GEN 7

[chrome adder]

YES

[brisk pebble]

Maybe try AG instead of OU?

[chrome adder]

AG natdex?

[shadow lion]

Yeah

[brisk pebble]

idk

[shadow lion]

that should work

[chrome adder]

fine

[jaunty geode]

Are euro

?

[timid gust]

ye

[jaunty geode]

Uk?

[timid gust]

nope

[jaunty geode]

Okie good

[shadow lion]

Anyways

what pokemon should i use as a defense pivot

[jaunty geode]

Ferrotrown tang growth

[stiff gate]

If we're talking about natdex AG, then aegislash+blissey is a solid one

Same with any slow bulky scizor fusion

[shadow lion]

Im a Gen 7 OU

[stiff gate]

Ah okay

[jaunty geode]

Ferro tangrowth

[shadow lion]

I made this, Its probably ass lol

[stiff gate]

Wait galvantula is legal in IF OU?

[shadow lion]

yep

[stiff gate]

I dont remember that being in the dex

Huh

[shadow lion]

Its RU

gen 5

Bug Steel IS goated

only is weak to fire, really weak 💀

[stiff gate]

Remember to get a fire resist btw

Jirachi Entei rules the tier

[brisk pebble]

No clue, it depends on what u need

[shadow lion]

I have a 1/4 fire resist

[brisk pebble]

I think the popular ones atm are Toxapex regenerator pivots
Or Skarmory defensive hazard setter
Or just fcking Gliscor...

[jaunty geode]

Tangeowth

[shadow lion]

What do you think of mines :hehe:

[shadow lion]

@brisk pebble

[brisk pebble]

Haven't met a Tangrowth i couldn't bust through, what does it actually do?

[shadow lion]

Very bulky

[brisk pebble]

????

Ah

Is Disable supposed to be for choice users?

Because if so, remove it, it's trash

[jaunty geode]

Reg knock off lench seed just cool stuff

[shadow lion]

Replace it with what?

[brisk pebble]

Most choice users u run into are running Scarf, and will outspeed u before u disable

idk, haven't seen that combination yet

hold on

[shadow lion]

I dont get leech seed 😭

[worthy anvil]

I’ve also seen a few other folks running Tangrowth/Forretress

[jaunty geode]

Like as a concept?

[shadow lion]

as a move

[jaunty geode]

O okie

[brisk pebble]

Maybe this?

[shadow lion]

Item?

[brisk pebble]

leftovers

[shadow lion]

thats a defensive pivot added

whats next?

[brisk pebble]

Hmm, its special def isn't especially high, so don't rely on it to tank power sp,atk blows too much
Also it lacks any form of recovery, or any HP lost is gone for good except for Leftovers

[shadow lion]

ok

[brisk pebble]

Do you have anything that can negate boosts or hazaards?

Don't be this guy
https://youtu.be/FZMOBU1LQNE?si=VgWHnVgx5mPTrarM

[shadow lion]

nope

[brisk pebble]

Watch the video for why u should have 1

[shadow lion]

Nah. I just know am gonna die if i dont have one

[brisk pebble]

Forretress is a popular pivot material because it especially has access to Rapid Spin... and Volt Switch instead of U-turn? But why tho?

[shadow lion]

dont ask me?

[worthy anvil]

This was my team as of last night (ignore Flygon/Entei’s EVs, I forgot to change them once I switched back to scarf ^^;)

Miss having a ghost type to switch into against all the non Sylveon boom bursts and extreme speeds, so I’m thinking of swapping some stuff around to get a ghost/normal in here

Also need to swap protect for BB and someone suggested leech seed over worry seed so I was going to try that out too

[shadow lion]

I FOUGHTYOU BEFORE

Like

10 hours ago or something

[worthy anvil]

Probably right before I went to bed then ^^

I remember your team, it was fun ^^

[wide sparrow]

what's the topsy thing ?

[shadow lion]

yeah

[shadow lion]

Reverse stat boost

[wide sparrow]

oh

[worthy anvil]

It’s great

[wide sparrow]

okay

not an issue for me tho xD

(i don't usually go for stats boosts)

[shadow lion]

i got rid of like 2 of your pokemon before i lost 😭

[stiff gate]

Molzing (Moltres) @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
Fusion: Weezing
EVs: 252 HP / 204 Def / 52 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Roost
• Toxic Spikes
• Sludge Bomb
• Hidden Power [Ground]

[worthy anvil]

People bring out their set up sweepers and you priority swap their stats to the negatives. It’s a ton of fun ^^

[shadow lion]

me when i dont have any stat boost pokemon

Anyways this is TEAMBUILDING

I need a good pokemon with defog

[worthy anvil]

Me neither, but set up is popular enough that I still get to use it most fights ^^

And if not, priority destiny bond can still come in clutch

[shadow lion]

GIVE ME A DEFOG POKEMON

[worthy anvil]

I just keep forgetting what type it is and switching in on stuff that oneshots it ^^; But when I don’t it works out

[shadow lion]

well

I just need an idea on what to use

[rich basalt]

Skarmory is a decent mon for defog

[wide sparrow]

oh yeah, you're on OU

[worthy anvil]

Tantress is a good spinner, don’t think I have a defogger rn sorry

[wide sparrow]

i've forgot x)

[rich basalt]

With what, it depends on your mons

[shadow lion]

Tantress?

[stiff gate]

The moltres weezing i posted

Can defog

Just replace tspikes

[shadow lion]

send me it again

[stiff gate]

Molzing (Moltres) @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
Fusion: Weezing
EVs: 252 HP / 204 Def / 52 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Roost
• Defog
• Sludge Bomb
• Hidden Power [Ground]

Hard stops most sylveon fusions, immune to ground, solid defenses and recovery

Also has access to uturn if you need momentum

HP ground is purely for steels that are neutral or immune to fire

Jirachi entei, or any cheeky flash fire combo

[shadow lion]

THE TEAM IS FINISHED!

(they got epic names)

[brisk pebble]

So... i've made 3 cancerous eviolite users... will make 3 more

lemme just say they each have at least 500 in each defence, with recovery options, and some with counters to Knock Off

[rich basalt]

Did I cook?

[worthy anvil]

Yes, another prankster Topsy-Turvy user

[hollow talon]

It looks messed up so yes

[brisk pebble]

Brb, adding it

[craggy remnant]

paste? I wanna steal

[worthy anvil]

It’s so much fun

[wide sparrow]

[stiff gate]

Does prankster fail on dark types in IF OU's gen?

[worthy anvil]

Honestly thinking of adding a second prankster user because there’s so many fun things you can do w/ them rn ^^

[worthy anvil]

I believe so

[wide sparrow]

in AG too

that's why i hate the dark/ghost shedinja, i can't prank it

[worthy anvil]

Yeah rn only Wobbuffet and Hitmontop get Topsy Turvy iirc

[brisk pebble]

Maybe take away 2 moves for room for Roost and Foul Play

[worthy anvil]

I haven’t seen too many dark types in OU w/ all the fairies everywhere. That might change if more people start running prankster tho

[rich basalt]

Ty, didn’t notice it got foul play

[hollow talon]

Just using my favourites here and some fun gimmicks, but the last two (unamed) are just filler, idk what duo to have? Doubles IFDex btw
https://pokepast.es/a71632c5af8ed73f

[stiff gate]

Wait, umbreon doesn't get calm mind? That has to be a bug

[shadow lion]

WOOO

won my first 6v6

EPIC

[wide sparrow]

that's a weird mosquito

[brisk pebble]

Like this

Maybe replace Defog with Destiny Bond for countering Unaware users, or those that Knocked off eviolite

[hollow talon]

[shadow lion]

I FINALLY HAVE A CERTIFIED TEAM

EPIC

[hollow talon]

Go free, go kill!

[wide sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-stewie-excited-let-me-see-gif-13624395

[silent agate]

wait there's a fusion thing in showdown now?

[hollow talon]

This is PIF yes

[brisk pebble]

It's a specific showdown client

u can find the link pinned in #showdown-general

[silent agate]

bet thanks

[wide sparrow]

no, it's not a fusion thing in showdown, it's a showdown in fusion thing

[shadow lion]

https://pokepast.es/c72848fc9564247c

[wide sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-gif-21458880

[shadow lion]

I gave them very pro names

Like

Fire Toxic Sphere Bird

[slim mesa]

Hey, somebody cooked up something good?

[wide sparrow]

you could go one step further with things like Pyrotoxin Sphere Bird

[shadow lion]

[shadow lion]

My team

[shadow lion]

Right here

[slim mesa]

Alright, let's have a look

[shadow lion]

dont mind pressure moltres

it should have levitate

[slim mesa]

Okay

[brisk pebble]

Up to 5 cursed eviolite mons now, 1 more for a full team lol

[slim mesa]

Galvantula with Registeel...huh, interesting
I fused Galvantula with Bisharp for a Dark typing and a sneaky Sucker Punch

[muted oar]

It would work fine because electrode is fast enough to get sylveon to a good speed tier.

It'd probably not hit that hard though.

[slim mesa]

Do I wanna know where this is going?

[brisk pebble]

Just to troll ppl in ladder

[slim mesa]

Oh boy

[brisk pebble]

3 of them can stall, 2 of them immune to Knock off while setting up

each of them has defences in the high 400s, low 500s with recovery options

[shadow lion]

Get duraladon

[brisk pebble]

that's gen 8 no?

[worthy anvil]

#showdown-teambuilding message here’s mine if folks want to give me any tips

[slim mesa]

How do you get immune to Knock Off? Suction Cups?

[shadow lion]

yes it is

[brisk pebble]

Suction cups prevents whirlwind or the like no?

[slim mesa]

Oh, right

[snow pike]

What move becomes topsy turvy?

[slim mesa]

I thought there was an ability that prevents item loss and I thought that was the one

[snow pike]

Sticky hold

[brisk pebble]

Does Suction cups prevent knock off? I don't think it does

[shadow lion]

isnt knock off that flinch move?

Just go first

[slim mesa]

It doesn't

[worthy anvil]

Wobbuffet and Hitmontop fusions get access to it

[brisk pebble]

Yeah, i use sticky hold

Watch in horror the power of eviolite

[worthy anvil]

It’s the one that knocks off items

[shadow lion]

Just dont hold an item

[slim mesa]

Thief gaming

[snow pike]

Why does muk have 4 spa evs

[shadow lion]

Pokemon using extreme speed?

Just have more extreme speed

[brisk pebble]

No idea, it was randomly placed i think, i made these as a rough draft

[shadow lion]

Pokemon using spore?

Just wake up

Pokemon using prankster?

Just don't get pranked

How to solve every competitive issue.

[slim mesa]

Dark Types baby

[muted oar]

He looks like a nice young gentleman but defensive ice types are almost guaranteed to be bad

[shadow lion]

Oh i dont have a dark type

oh well

[shadow lion]

another way, (BE SLOWER)

[brisk pebble]

Okay, 6 eviolite mons made, time to test them

Pray u don't meet me in ladder

[timid gust]

pray u dont run into knock off

[shadow lion]

YEAH

[muted oar]

.....on the same team????

[shadow lion]

FULL TEAM WIPE WITH JITEI

Sacred fire vs Klinklang team 💀

and choice scarf

[brisk pebble]

Lost

Knock off wasn't the problem.
In my haste, i failed to realize they're all physical attackers... they were will'o'wisped, and i couldn't break through a Curse Gliscor

[muted oar]

Still think alakazam needs to be unbanned

Just unban it but ban mind blown

[indigo leaf]

yeah but they nerfed mankey paw and banned geomancy so there goes 2 of my team members lol

i'll probs quit the rain gimmick

[hushed junco]

[slim mesa]

https://pokepast.es/95dcd82fdaf6a77f
I "tried" making rain, this probably has a good amount of flaws, just because I'm not too familiar with Weather teams

[timid gust]

geomancy getting banned was actually good for me cause now i have a more interactive team

[compact pebble]

Hi guys, where Do I see pokemons I can't use in monotype?

[slim mesa]

Uhh, Monotype isn't a format (yet)

[brisk pebble]

Okay... noted... a full team of eviolite sucks...
Each of them individually is good... but without any balance in the team, they can't do much

[timid gust]

^

[slim mesa]

Caffeine learning basic team building today

[brisk pebble]

when u can beat me, then u can smack talk lol

[slim mesa]

Fair

[muted oar]

Yeah probably a bit too much imbalance

[brisk pebble]

4 of them weak to Earthquake

[opaque musk]

i can see that being an issue lol

[brisk pebble]

But either way, adding them to the box. They're still incredibly powerful, but the team needs to support them

[muted oar]

I'm not good at rain either, but I hit 1300 with it at one point lol

But why run Kingdra over Omastar? You get 20 extra points of SpA and the speed doesn't matter because you outspeed anything anyway with Swift Swim.

[brisk pebble]

I especially love this variation of the Chef

[slim mesa]

Not really

[timid gust]

Yeah rain seems really strong currently

I got completely bodied by a stall rain team

[muted oar]

Great response bravo

[slim mesa]

Thank you

[muted oar]

Like ~570 speed isn't enough

[slim mesa]

Exactly

(It's 520 btw)

[muted oar]

Yeah too slow

[dreamy lion]

I’m trying to come up with speed tiers to creep. 334+ beats max speed Sylveon/Noivern

[muted oar]

What about all of the 110+ scarf users?????

[dreamy lion]

I tend to run slower, bulkier mons

[indigo leaf]

rain just got nerfed quite a bit

[muted oar]

They're so good!!!!

[muted oar]

Hurricane+Mankey Paw

[indigo leaf]

yes, i was using hurricane + thunder + mankey paw

and geomancy politoed/celebi

[muted oar]

I will otherwise steal your team tho

[timid gust]

pretty sure hurricane doesnt work on mankey paw

[indigo leaf]

it did, just nerfed today

[timid gust]

thats what i ment

[indigo leaf]

...yes, that's why i said it just got nerfed.

[timid gust]

https://tenor.com/view/confusion-confused-look-questions-why-why-me-gif-17660966

[brisk pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-spongbob-patrick-sponge-bob-squarepants-orbof-confusion-gif-14622567

[slim mesa]

Nice

[muted oar]

How is that a nerf to rain specifically?

Isn't that a nerf to...anyone using celebi?

[indigo leaf]

.....i was talking about hurricane and thunder being nerfed

[slim mesa]

That's why I'm Galing Hurricane instead

[muted oar]

What does that have to do with geoomancy

[craggy remnant]

Which ability should I get?

[brisk pebble]

Oak be like

https://tenor.com/view/lion-king-scar-i-am-surrounded-idiots-gif-22454341

[wide sparrow]

you should play this in a sp.atk build, give flame orb and flare boost

[brisk pebble]

Immunity i think, u don't want to get toxic'd

[wide sparrow]

yeah, immunity is good too

[brisk pebble]

Your current moveset isn't very threatening tbh, what do u hope to accomplish?

[craggy remnant]

Block the opponent and try to kill with toxic/curse. Strenght sap to heal and take less damage. But maybe I'm dead in the 2 turns, i guess

[wide sparrow]

you don't have access to recover ?

[craggy remnant]

nope

[wide sparrow]

[compact pebble]

yes but i think it uses the same parameters as regular monotype

[brisk pebble]

Yeah, it's not very threatening.
Your set won't be effective against sp.atkers, nor steel types, nor poison types, nor Gliscor, or anything that hits u hard the moment u try to toxic, or escape before u block

u need to spend 3 turns to use Block > Toxic > Strength Sap, u will die in 2 turns if u're lucky

[craggy remnant]

Makes sense, thanks for the heads up

Yeah, since gliscor usually runs knock off

[fallow pier]

How do I do the showdown feature

[broken wyvern]

Cofagsteel (Cofagrigus) @ Leftovers
Ability: Mummy
Fusion: Registeel
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature

• Will-O-Wisp
• Rock Slide
• Stealth Rock
• Hex
  not too sure on having rockslide on this guy

[mortal spire]

bro how many chef sets have you made

also why moonblast > stored power?

[brisk pebble]

So it won't get walled by dark types

[broken wyvern]

honestly i might just go with explosion instead

[mortal spire]

I mean the thing abt demon clef/demon mew sets is that ur unbreakable while dealing shit tons of damage with stored power

but you have to get rid of all the dark types in the opposing team first

[brisk pebble]

Yeah, that's the problem sadly

But if they don't have a dark type, hoo boy, Chef will cook

[mortal spire]

thats, thats not the problem

well, it is

but the rest of your team is the solution

[topaz cedar]

messed around with a second AG team and it's not perfect yet but so far it's been going pretty crazy

[broken wyvern]

Cofagtomb (Cofagrigus) @ Leftovers
Ability: Mummy
Fusion: Spiritomb
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature

• Will-O-Wisp
• Knock Off
• Hex
• Pursuit
  tempted to replace either knock off or pursuit with something else

[stiff gate]

Oh hey I think I faced you earlier

I was the guy with the moltres

[topaz cedar]

oh hey nice moltres

that was one of my less well played moments where I clicked toxic and then immediately after processed the fact that moltres was poison type lmao

[stiff gate]

Happens to everyone, no worries man

[worthy anvil]

Oh, anyone have any normal/ghost sets they like? Thinking I might add one for the non pixelate e-speed boomburst immunity

[topaz cedar]

havent had a chance to really test it yet but switched the jirachi/volcarona for this since toxic spikes has been the biggest problem for the team

[topaz cedar]

oh yeah I've played around with a few, the lopunny/aegislash I have rn is good for being disruptive with klutz/choice scarfing but for harder hitters slaking can hit really hard with a ghost type and chansey is good for stall

mostly I've been seeing aegislash used as the ghost pair for either of those but I was using slaking/gengar for a little while on a different team

shedinja paired with a normal type can be good for wonder guard nonsense but you have to be careful with it since it dies instantly to toxic/hazards

[worthy anvil]

Ah I’m an OU player so I think most of those are banned for me. I did run a Klutzy Lopunny ages ago tho, might try to make a set for one at some point ^^

[slim mesa]

How is the cooking going?

[brisk pebble]

So... like... has any1 ever tried Gale Wings Sky drop?

[worthy anvil]

Have you seen mine yet? Don’t want to spam chat by posting it constantly but more advice is always welcome ^^

[worthy anvil]

Gale Wings definitely seems like one of those abilities that could pull off some interesting shenanigans

[brisk pebble]

Like, i'm not sure if it works, but Gale Wings gives Sky Drop's 1st turn priority +1, but then on the turn where it deals dmg, it doesn't get priority

Meaning if you're slow enough, and the enemy has no priority moves, u could basically not give the enemy a chance to attack

Just some food for thought, i would never use this set

[worthy anvil]

The one person trying to make gravity work when they see this set :’D

[snow pike]

Hm, if that works, maybe this would be good for that

skarmory is slow

and fletchinder isn't super fast

[thorn zinc]

I would love if shuckle had swapped types

Aegislash/Shuckle 1 weakness

[chrome pawn]

woul that not be a 4x weakness

fire iirc

[thorn zinc]

It will be a 4x fire

BUT

I think that is better than 4 2x weakness

[light lion]

https://pokepast.es/1e62da661f75e998 Did I cook?

[chrome pawn]

fair fair

water/ground has the same problem, but is considered one of the best types in the game

[thorn zinc]

Need to consider that there is much more fire moves than grass

But ye

[slim mesa]

Pickpocket on Scarf? I'd go with Inner Focus, it isn't a lot better, but it's something

[light lion]

for jirachi cheese?

[slim mesa]

For example

Also, on Gliscor + Donphan I'd personally go for a defensive move (like Roost) instead of Facade

But what do I know, I'm not the most reliable source

[light lion]

sometimes I would prefer roost over facade, sometimes not

[slim mesa]

Good point

[broken wyvern]

Kyugrigus (Kyurem) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Mummy
Fusion: Cofagrigus
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature

• Will-O-Wisp
• Hex
• Haze
• Dragon Tail
  saw a cofagrius fusion while spectating but cant remember what it was 100% using, but im taking it for my own means

[dreamy lion]

The Version I saw of this was:
Will-O-Wisp
Hex
Calm Mind
Roost

[mental bough]

yes

[broken wyvern]

Garbgrigus (Garbodor) @ Black Sludge
Ability: Mummy
Fusion: Cofagrigus
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Haze
• Hex
• Trick
• Will-O-Wisp
  this is garbage.

[dim jackal]

I love nat dex

[jaunty geode]

Go away it haunts me

[dim jackal]

Just crit it

Oh wait

[upper granite]

We hate nat dex

[lofty scroll]

That's digusting... I love it lol

[west locust]

natdex ladder sounds like a miserable time

[mental bough]

Nat Dex with newer mons might be pain

[dim jackal]

I love nat dex

Been really fun

I was number 1 2 days ago with 1340 elo

but Ive kept on playing

its great

Ive played 120 battles

this guy is the only person on the client with more battles I think

[dim jackal]

wanna see an abomination?

[dim jackal]

I have something worse

[mental bough]

show me

[dim jackal]

then there is this thing that needs to be banned

[mental bough]

this one doesn't scare me that much

[dim jackal]

https://play.pokeathlon.com/#battle-gen9ifnatdexou-10300

if you wanna watch

lets see how bad I play after stepping outside

[mental bough]

I'm watching

[dim jackal]

its just that rince and repeat lol

A healthy meta

get 2 to 3 kills with guzzlord

then stall

[tall wyvern]

What's the best fusion for Hawlucha?

[dim jackal]

nat dex or if dex

[tall wyvern]

IF Dex

[dim jackal]

no idea

[tall wyvern]

https://pokepast.es/c6222507e515e492
Team so far

[dim jackal]

no idea

I only do nat dex

better metagame

||Its not||

|| But its more fun for me||

[quiet salmon]

there isnt any terrain right

[dim jackal]

not auto set

there is manual

[quiet salmon]

epic fail

[dim jackal]

and nat dex theres pincurchin

and indeedee

[quiet salmon]

best thing is unburden white herb ig

[dim jackal]

koko and lele got banned

[quiet salmon]

sounds mediocre though

[dim jackal]

gems probably

if there still allowed

or air ballon with swamptilken

[quiet salmon]

isnt there only normal gem

[dim jackal]

Fake out normal gem

is good

[quiet salmon]

no it isnt

[dim jackal]

Are you using swamptilken

[quiet salmon]

you use up a coverage move

[dim jackal]

Bro Why are you using a fusion that can't hit everything with its 3 moves

like I guess it makes sense

[quiet salmon]

so ur not using sd

whats the point of unburden then

[dim jackal]

Rampardos + unburden has enough attakc

if you want to see nat dex then this is what I was running in beta

couldn't hit ghost steels only basicly

but killed so much

Plus normal gem fakeout did like 10 to 20% usaully

[dim jackal]

what mon are you using with unburden?

If your using unburden just use swamptilken

hits basicly everything with 3 stabs

and can run air ballon with sd or honeclaws based off set

[slim mesa]

What's cooking?

[quiet salmon]

hone claws why

someone asked hawlucha

[dim jackal]

for swamptilken

[quiet salmon]

im asking why claws over sd

[dim jackal]

idk someone got very high on the ladder with that set

think it was blaze kick

[quiet salmon]

what

sd does more even if u use blaze kick over flare blitz (the far superior option)

[dim jackal]

bro there is always reason to run a move for a set. You can't just say oh I don't like that so its bad

Someone was having succes with that set

[quiet salmon]

there isnt

blaze kick w 1.5 is average 127.5 base power

blaze kick w 2 factoring in miss is average 153 base power

this point is moot anyway bc you have flare blitz which is almost 50% more powerful

[dim jackal]

Hone claws also boost accuracy

which can be relevant if you have a hidden coverage move with low acc

Thats why some mons run bulk up instead of sd

Every setup move has a use in certain situations

[quiet salmon]

but all of ur moves are 90% or higher

or if ur good theyre all 100%

basically any mon will use sd over bulk up

i looked through every mon w sd and bu and the only ones where you could argue work are ceruledge (tera bug), memey flame charge power trip incineroar in gen 7, and quaquaval/talonflame (in aaa? idr)

[dim jackal]

we have bulu who could like sd or bu. either with nuking potentail or horn leech to be bulkier.

Lando t could use either based of set buts that bc its movepool is insane.

Another one urshifu rapid. Sd hits harder yes but I have used bulk up drain punch to stall out mons before.

and if you say your talking infinite fusion dex and not nat dex so your point doesn't matter then there is

Bewear ursaring and heracross

Sword dance is not end all be all

[lofty scroll]

What item do people like to run on Swamptiliken?

[dim jackal]

you can run different sets based off what your going for

[dim jackal]

air ballon

Its the nearest gurantee to procing without terrain