showdown-general

[delicate gull]

It still does snorcor things tho funny balance breaker

Probably kills 1 or 2 mons v offensive because of its immense bulk maybe even more

You can maybe run curse also

[odd kiln]

curse is too slow imo

[hexed umbra]

Has anyone found any viable sets with Breloom? I see it pop up every now and then but my opinion on it is... low

[obtuse shoal]

My ferrothorn with leech seed on and iron barbs just couldn't outstall gliscor

[odd kiln]

easy to catch you with offensive pressure

[obtuse shoal]

Without spore, it's dead

[delicate gull]

Also probably easier to phaze with curse also

[obtuse shoal]

Everything used to work because spore is just that good

It's a Mon with just a good attack stat

It's like rampardos now

[delicate gull]

Breeloom exists

[hexed umbra]

I ran Torrerra/Breloom in the mono gen tournament and it got crit by the thing it was supposed to counter and I got swept

[delicate gull]

Wait are we getting all of the new mons early on showdown on the 10th?

[odd kiln]

whenever dunscy gets back from their trip theyll add them in

[delicate gull]

Aight

[obtuse shoal]

I've been finding there's some types you generally don't even want attacking moves of that type

Like dragon or grass

Even steel

[delicate gull]

Eh it depends on the mon

[obtuse shoal]

I feel like yanmega should be removed from uu

[odd kiln]

can i see the game you played

[obtuse shoal]

it's not there anymore, my bad

[odd kiln]

[rough storm]

when i click on fusion/body it doesnt show any pokemon and typing in a pokemon name doesnt work

nvm i fixed it now

[rough storm]

why did aerial ace miss

[pure breach]

Mankeys Paw probably

[manic sand]

Hey y’all, my infinite fusion draft league needs a replacement player, if anyone would be interested please let me know!

[inner girder]

Mankey paw

[manic sand]

Need 2 replacement players actually

[median thunder]

we're going up to 500 pokemon

woaw...

might drop another 500 games on showdown when that happens

[serene arch]

whens the league

[manic sand]

It’s already started, we need someone to sub in for a player who doesn’t have the time to compete

[serene arch]

who would i have to play against

[manic sand]

Wdym

[serene arch]

sorry mb just got off a tour

how many rounds would there be

[serene arch]

what would i have to do

[manic sand]

6 rounds into playoffs

[serene arch]

what are my draft pick options

[manic sand]

One sec

[manic sand]

You’ll be allowed as many subs as you’d like, if you want I can DM you the doc with all the Pokémon in it

[serene arch]

sure thanks

[honest fulcrum]

https://youtu.be/WOmwk9mgihE?si=5xj0wHLEN0FPHrdV

Wait a minute it's different then I thought-

Unless it is the same as here?

[sullen ore]

Jim's video is a different server yeah

/ format

[sturdy cradle]

LOL

[hexed umbra]

If every Ultra Beast gets added, so you think any of them would get banned? There's the OU banned Pheromosa and Naganadel, and Kartana also terrifies me

Blacephalon also looks insane

[pure breach]

I personally think Kartana would, Xurk might, Blacephalon might

[deft oasis]

Xurk getting actual coverage is a nightmare to think about

[hexed umbra]

And better bulk+speed for abusing Tail Glow

[deft oasis]

Blacephalon is out of the question too; Alakazam does not need 145 SpA/115 Spe STAB Life Orb Mind Blown with zero recoil

[hexed umbra]

Stakataka is basically just steelix that passes steel, a giant wall of stats with rocks and a poor movepool otherwise

[odd kiln]

blacephalon instant ban bc zam/nidoking exist
xurkitree instant ban bc 173 spa with tg
kart instant ban bc 181 atk with sd
pheromosa probably instant ban bc 137/137/151 offenses with qd
naganadel probably instant ban bc plot + beast boost
buzzwole/staka might warp the def meta idk
nihilego would be bad
celesteela would be uh mediocre

[zealous quest]

Does Stance Change work correctly? My Snorslash’s stats are remaining the same

[odd kiln]

visual error the stats change

[zealous quest]

At gotcha

[delicate gull]

So why isn’t Blace banned in nd

Zam got the boot in nd for blaces sins

Free Zam in NDOU ong

[odd kiln]

Hrm.

is there any other broken mons with zam

[opaque inlet]

steel beam with archaludon maybe

[odd kiln]

sounds mid

steel is a bad offensive typing and psychic doesnt save it

oh the new mons are in

ill check it out later

[delicate gull]

New mons are in showdown W

Da Binky and Gren Gaming

[odd kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/carbink-gif-25570509

[languid dove]

how can i get showdown pings removed from me it doesn’t appear in #roles

[undone surge]

begging a mod i guess lel

[languid dove]

ohhh

tysm

[vital sand]

Yuh

[vital sand]

Yuh

[hallow kite]

blacephalon would get banned frame one unless the tier is willing to deal with magic guard mind blown blace

[delicate gull]

At that point Blace should be banned from ND

And Zam Unbanned

If Blace is the actual problem

Steel Beam and Chroloblast are on ass offensive type moves

And I don’t think Electrode hisui gets mind blown expert move

That would actually be kinda crazy if it did

[hallow kite]

ngl I would not like electrode-h/alakazam either

no recoil stab lo chloroblast is still really really strong, you can't revenge it because it's got 140 speed and it has volt switch to annoy any (specially defensive) steel type trying to come in

[undone surge]

they are ass offensive types, but its still a shitton of bp thats super spammable

[hallow kite]

^

[delicate gull]

Super spammable on not very high spatks

Most teams should be able to shut them down easily

We already deal with Eterrain expanding force mons

Those mons are not that big of a deal

[undone surge]

🥶

ngl i just realized crown gets steel beam

[delicate gull]

Average iron crown reaction

[undone surge]

crown is peak tbh

[hallow kite]

you have to use pincurchin to set that up and those only last for a few turns

[delicate gull]

If it wasn’t for iron crown

None of those steel beam mons would be hella threatening

[hallow kite]

and ground types are immune to electric as opposed to having to actually resist the 150 stab life orb move

[delicate gull]

I mean Psyterrain 💀

Indeedeeora has been running around

[undone surge]

indeedee is a fraud

tbh

[delicate gull]

Shit even Indeedeeoopa

[delicate gull]

When your dark type dies your team crys

Ig Ting lu Pecharunt exists

[undone surge]

just outplay

[hallow kite]

dark type/lokix fusion

ez

[delicate gull]

Just to get volt switched on

But then Lokix hoopa does have a lack of switchins if you click eforce in front of it

Oh Zam has np in nd

Nvm

[hallow kite]

yup

[delicate gull]

That shit stays banned

Blace should go also tho

Blace is stupid mon in general

[opaque inlet]

With all the walls you can make in nat dex I think blace is fine tbh

[delicate gull]

You can make so many walls but limited to ability clause

No regen cores

[undone surge]

also +2 np with lorb from base 145 and mindblown bp is very hard to live in the firstplace

[delicate gull]

If people are running NP Mind blown kadabra in nd I will personally run a team of mono fast pursuit users

[opaque inlet]

Kadabra doesn’t get NP

[delicate gull]

Also Simeon request to frog that we can get expert move mind blown delphfox

[undone surge]

you would need fat spdef mons that resist mindblown

[delicate gull]

Mfs just slap Molablade + Ting lu fusion

On every bulky offense team ever

[undone surge]

and then people run knock off to remove eviolite/lefties/boots lel

[delicate gull]

Everyone spams knock in the first place

[undone surge]

true

[delicate gull]

Nd it’s mandatory to have knock on every team

Like it’s not even funny

[undone surge]

Blacekazam (Blacephalon) @ Life Orb
Ability: Beast Boost
Tera Type: Fire
Fusion: Alakazam
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Mind Blown
• Knock Off
• Nasty Plot
• Psyshock

[delicate gull]

Knock off is crazy

[undone surge]

might as well yknow

make sure nothing

lives mindblown

[delicate gull]

Blace should get nuked from ND

[delicate gull]

Flash fire

[undone surge]

pshock is for like flash frie shit or like quad resists

[delicate gull]

What’s happens when it’s flash fire and dark type

[undone surge]

you knock it and let hoopa-u deal with it gg

[delicate gull]

Spam knock off kek

Actually Enamophalon is like the only good blace fusion I’m shitposting rn

[odd kiln]

just go to ur steel

[odd kiln]

walled by milo-lu

[hallow kite]

your steel has to be very specially fat + it could get uturned on/switch into a nasty plot and gets shredded by focus blast

[odd kiln]

uturn by zam/trode

How?

[hallow kite]

volt switch

my bad

electrode-h has that

[delicate gull]

NP shit

[odd kiln]

you still get 3hkod while 2hkoing with eq

[delicate gull]

Actually NP doesn’t even help that much tf

[odd kiln]

esp bc ur using psynoise as ur stab

[delicate gull]

When are these shits getting off np

[odd kiln]

one of the best steels is torn/staka which can easily fit vest and take vswitches and blasts easily

i also forgot to mention stuff like clodtar who takes any move thanks to unaware and can even pursuit trap you if it wants

[hallow kite]

that's 73/93 spdef

it's not eating lo focus blast at +2

I will check but I'd be shocked

[odd kiln]

+2 252 SpA Life Orb Alakazam Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Tornadus-Therian: 221-261 (63.1 - 74.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[delicate gull]

4 spdef is crazy

[odd kiln]

this is indeed the best case scenario for zam

[hallow kite]

does torn have a move that ohkos

[odd kiln]

uturn

[hallow kite]

fair
although I think alakazam/electrode can get away with running volt switch on a nasty plot set
(you do not need psychic stab)

[odd kiln]

much of ndou is unexplored so you cant discount more niche special walls like meloking

[hallow kite]

meloetta slowking?

[odd kiln]

yes

forgoing psychic stab means you get walled by any clod fusion

[hallow kite]

why

[odd kiln]

similar to regenvest meloetta in aaa its a special wall that gets hit se by very few mons

[hallow kite]

the clod fusion I see most is poison/dark so volt switch is helping you much more in that department

I feel like you could do a lot better than meloatta for a regenvest special defensive mon but I've never seen it in action

[odd kiln]

its the most specially defensive normal that has uturn

[hallow kite]

ideally you'd want the partner to have more than uturn
(a good typing / knock)
but ig it works

[hallow kite]

meloetta is c-rank in AAA
so clearly it wasn't the best pokemon for this job

[odd kiln]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/510822432802734080/984227735306113024/kurdupelek.GIF

[odd kiln]

meloetta has knock

[sturdy cradle]

[hexed umbra]

Greninja is now another pokemon with STAB E-speed (by technicality)

[odd kiln]

not like its any good

best you get is dnite and you still get walled by ghosts and steel/flyings and clef and whatnot

doesnt have the breaking power of ursanite

[hexed umbra]

Definitely not for e-speed, but its funny

[undone surge]

meloetta is goated

[delicate gull]

Melo P Gren may be interesting

Gunk CC Knock Uturn Prot is kinda fire

[odd kiln]

how much does it do to steel flyings

[delicate gull]

Who cares about those ong

I just pivot into magnezone

[undone surge]

you would care if you encountered it

[delicate gull]

Greninja being added makes me so many reasons for me to run zone

Also if it’s doing 0 you just slot fire punch

So you don’t get burned by the random Regitres

[hexed umbra]

Greninja is kinda interesting as an actual Protean user (sorry Kecleon) with good speed and U-Turn, but that movepool is surprisingly not that good and its attacking stats are lackluster

Chesnaught is a bulky fighting type with spikes which is nice
Delphox

[odd kiln]

you fuse it with something who has a wide movepool

like hydreigon

my issue with "bulky fighting type" is "bulky fighting for who"

this is kinda neat tbf

[hexed umbra]

Idk, but hey it has decent bulk and spikes, it's probably got a niche fusion somewhere

Delphox just sucks, it doesn't get good set-up moves or taunt/hazards to abuse Magician Sash/Air Balloon shenanigans like Tinkaton

[odd kiln]

stealing items is just a mid thing anyway

like great you stole lefties from a wall you couldve done the same thing with a lefties knock user

[hexed umbra]

Item stealing is an added bonus on a good mon (Tinkaton), not something you go out of your way to get

And Delphox has nothing unique outside of Magician

[odd kiln]

yes

[opaque inlet]

What do y’all think about something like this

[hallow kite]

you don't ned particularly high attacking stats when you have STAB on every move

hitting almost everything super effectively more than makes up for ot

I think the special sets will be scarier tbh

Mewninja (Mew) @ Expert Belt / Life Orb
Ability: Protean
Fusion: Greninja
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Nasty Plot
• Thunderbolt
• Ice Beam
• Earth Power

[urban nebula]

For some no reason

I cant change Swamptiliken's Sprite

Same goes as the other triple fusions

[hallow kite]

oh yeah this also learns quiver dance

[radiant rivet]

https://sim.pokeathlon.com/replays/chapomousetrap-pressthebrake-1725895584395.html

If possible could someone take a look at this recent game of mine?
I feel like I played well but had made 1 or 2 mistakes

its a long one tho

[odd kiln]

which one ru

average!

[radiant rivet]

pressthebrake

[odd kiln]

leech seed jithorn sounds bad

assuming you had a heal bell mon id much rather spam knock on tox to remove lefties

oh its heal bell umbreon

that also sounds really bad bc 0 atks

[radiant rivet]

and how could I have played better?

Like in the match

or was this unwinnable from the start?

[odd kiln]

pretty unwinnable bc you had 0 way to hit the snorcor

[radiant rivet]

This went a bit long for an unwinnable game

and its not like the snorcor was free because of mummy

[odd kiln]

it just switches out after dealing 30-40% chip

[unborn pine]

is lurantis gonna be bad
im looking at the stuff and its looking a lot more underwhelming than i initially expected

[odd kiln]

playing with lurantis entei its better than i expected

[unborn pine]

gen 7 mons cant have speed after all
yeah i was thinking entei would probably be the best

special/phys/mixed?

[radiant rivet]

then how do I deal with Toxic heal on these styles of teams?

[unborn pine]

snorcor is a mon you need at least something for
ive had multiple times that my team was decent until i got completely walled by snorcor

[odd kiln]

its as simple as running haze/foul play on umbreon

[unborn pine]

the poison damage still ''increases'' on a poison heal mon right
like not that it changes anything but if it were to lose poison heal that it does more

[odd kiln]

yes

[radiant rivet]

what move should I drop?
T spikes seems the most obvious, but maybe something else would be more efficient?

[radiant rivet]

On that note, how do I deal with scald spam then?
Even if I knock it leftovers off, there is nothing stopping it from hitting scald over and over again

[odd kiln]

just switch into ur regen

[odd kiln]

whats the clef moveset

[radiant rivet]

Softboiled, CM, Moonblast and rocks

not happy with rocks

[odd kiln]

put heal bell there

[radiant rivet]

who gets rocks then?

because I am not dropping spikes

Regi could learn it, but then what do I drop?
Wish pivot is really nice on the team so I would be reluctant to.
Leaving only defog which is my only way to removes hazards

[odd kiln]

id probably revamp the team so it has both bounce and spin

you set 500 hazards only to remove them all

[radiant rivet]

My problem with that is, that the best spinner Slowbro/donphan got a lot worse with lurantis around

Since Lurantis/Entei means your V-Create absorber cant be quad weak to grass

[odd kiln]

use uh kyurem donphan

lol

[radiant rivet]

Is that a good fusion?

[odd kiln]

ive used it its alright

[radiant rivet]

it seems bad in the ability department

lacking longevity

which my team needs

maybe tentacruel/Gliscor?

I would have antisynergy with aromatherapy on Clef then, so I would have to drop that move

[delicate gull]

Are people running 4attack Lurantis entei

[odd kiln]

what would the 4th atk be

[delicate gull]

Knock to mess with doub

I think 3a synth is probably better tho

[odd kiln]

i use sub

[hallow kite]

finally, we can see registeel/entei again

or jirachi/entei if you really want pivoting

wait no

lurantis has stomping tantrum

hm

[delicate gull]

Isn’t stomping tantrum kinda useless when you already have Superpower to click on those

[hallow kite]

ig that could work but I'm not sure what superpower hits that tantrum doesn't

[odd kiln]

it actually makes you threatening

[delicate gull]

I rather be more threatening to Doublade ngl

[hallow kite]

this does not answer the question lol

ig that could work but I'm not sure what superpower hits that tantrum doesn't

you'd almost always rather click v-create

so is there a specific mon where you'd rather click superpower than stomping tantrum

[odd kiln]

steels who cant hit you hard enough

there might not be a specific mon but the upsides of clicking superpower far exceed the upsides of clicking tantrum

sure you clicked vcreate and killed something but you have no atk boosts
its mons 201 to take advantage of dead turns by setting up and superpower does exactly that

[hallow kite]

which ones specifically because I'm assuming the opponent would switch in a mon that could kill entei or at least stop v-create

[odd kiln]

i dont see how this has anything to do with superpower vs tantrum

ok they switch into a water to stop vcreate

which is better for you to click superpower or tantrum

[hallow kite]

the grass move to beat the water

[delicate gull]

You get no attacking buffs from V create tho

Ig if it’s water ground leaf blade is the play

[spring lagoon]

lernean is now broken

as in it doesnt work

well the gaining heads does

the multi hit doesnt

ok gaining heads doesnt work past 7

unless its one hit that takes it down all the way to 9 range

[cyan rock]

Does anyone play PoA

I can't find anyone lmao

[hexed umbra]

You'd probably have better luck asking that in the pokeathlon discord

[serene arch]

If anyone wants to join an IF draft league there’s a spot that we can sub you in

Just like reply or DM me

[undone surge]

I mean I could, but I would like to see the doc first if you don't mind. Just wanna see if I can see myself playing for that long. I'm pretty burnt out when it comes to pokemon nowadays, If you are still looking for people

[compact jungle]

Anyone want to gen 9 IF national dex ag with me

[serene arch]

Sure I’ll dm you the doc

You can make team changes from r3 onwards

[undone surge]

well i'd have to see

first

might john a lot if it doesnt really interests me

[serene arch]

Sent

[serene arch]

Anyone else want to join a doubles if draft league

Dm me or reply

[hexed umbra]

I won't be joining this one, but I may join one in the future (I joined one a while back, but it was cancelled shortly after starting. Not to brag, but that means I have a 100% win rate in IF Draft with my 1 win ). Would you mind sending me a copy of the doc?

Wow I hate underscored 1, it looks... off

[wind crag]

I haven't played competitive pokemon in a long time, what are people's thoughts about something like ttar/toxapex with Sand Stream?

You're a stall mon wearing yourself down with your own Sandstorm, but its role compression since now you can set hazards

[hexed umbra]

Just use Regenerator?

[wind crag]

It's a sand team :s

having hazards on ttar is nice role compression but I'm about to give up and just lead like, Water Absorb Caturne/Toxapex and use ttar as an ability garbage can

just put a generic attacking set on him and hope he does something

[serene arch]

Sure

The spot filled but I might be able to set you up for next season

There’s like a 90% chance tbe spot is filled

[hexed umbra]

Can I have a copy of the points/values for each mon?

[odd kiln]

not good defensive typing try ttar celebi instead

[wind crag]

Isn't Dark Poison like, beyond reproach?

One 2x weakness?

[delicate gull]

Who uses Toxitar with sand stream whar

That mon is always used with regen

[wind crag]

I mean that was literally what I was asking about

Because its not straightforwardly good
It might be unplayably bad
It might be workable

But it's not immediately clear

[odd kiln]

it is bad

it is optimal for weather users with the exception of hail to have pivoting to bring in the weather abuser and sand/hail setters should never be chipped by their own weather bc that amounts to less bulk

[wind crag]

As I said it's mostly about role compression, not maximizing every possible facet

Yeaaaaah

[odd kiln]

youre not compressing any roles though sand stream toxtar doesnt wall anything

[wind crag]

To be fair the idea was originally Ttar Muk with Explosion to facilitate the pivot

suicide lead, set up as many spikes as you think you can get then boom

But I thought Toxapex might do ok

I guess I'm not sure how much weather warring to expect, if weather will be giga contested or not

[odd kiln]

sand isnt strong enough to warrant making the setter a suicide lead

[wind crag]

Well that's why I want the suicide lead to set up hazards :)

[oak inlet]

How does this work the

[odd kiln]

real easy for the opp to just remove hazards bc ur not strong enough

[honest cloud]

Question: Why is moonblast banned on Togeslash?

[hexed umbra]

What format???

[slim warren]

Wtf is that sprite

[odd kiln]

probably bc ur doing ndou and if specific learnsets dont exist in nd

[undone surge]

10/10 reasoning

[gaunt sand]

How do i make a fusion team on showdown?

[delicate gull]

Contrary suspect is cringe when literally V create and Perma weather are bigger problems

Both of those things limit teambuilding more more than contrary itself

[hexed umbra]

I'm not going to vote since I haven't played since Lurantis dropped but I am 100% in support of dropping Genesect, honestly I don't think it will even be that good. It lacks setup and its speed is poor

You can relive the Boomburst glory days with Techno Blast (but worse)

[sly crater]

i cant wait to vote when i haven't ever tried competitive IF

[odd kiln]

no better time to try than now

[weak parcel]

Pfft read new mons as new moms lol

[spring lagoon]

so lernean only works with 5 heads

and it deals less damage than it should

it just becomes multishot but with 5 guaranteed hits

[noble ridge]

How do I find the actual real game?

[pure breach]

Hi, if you're looking for the Infinite Fusion game, please check out #downloads . If you need help please ask in #tech-support .

This section is for the Showdown Battle Simulator dedicated to Infinite Fusion

[solar lotus]

what website is this?

[hexed umbra]

First pin in this channel

[solar lotus]

woah this is sick

thank you

[hushed pelican]

Is anybody playing if random battle

[lost galleon]

Don't ban Contrary. Ban V-Create

Or send Entei to Ubers

It causes problems with perma weather, it causes problems with contrary, it just seems like it causes problems.

[radiant rivet]

So what does Golisopod bring to the table?
Strong priorty?

[hexed umbra]

Spikes?

[inner girder]

It’ll probably bring its Fimp strats

And with the removal of E exit it’ll finally have a reason for setup moves

Some people are speculating that it’s going to receive a hidden ability too

[radiant rivet]

Fimp?

First Impression?

[calm rose]

Anyone down for a match?

[odd kiln]

fat water with spikes

[vital sand]

Tbh i wanna try fusing him with a medium frail tailwind setter with eject button and emergency exit to try maximize every tailwind turns with sweepers

[odd kiln]

this is some heatah fajita shit

bc ideally if ur using tailwind in singles (you shouldnt) itd be in the form of slowish insane wallbreakers that should ohko everything

[radiant rivet]

I wonder if spikes is enough to give it a niche over the other bulky waters like suicune and especially the slowtwins

[delicate gull]

Ig you can fuse Golisopod with rampardos Rock Bug is unironically a good offensive type

Probably mid tho

[ruby current]

Meanest 1st impression aqua jet combo

[delicate gull]

No one using first impression aqua jet whar

[ruby current]

Not bad

[odd kiln]

nonstab aqua jet aint hitting

[inner girder]

but Fimp will absolutely mess things up

[odd kiln]

maybe if the opp is running ho

but anything with a defensive backbone does just fine

[clever dew]

can you fuse mons in this game

?

[odd kiln]

yes

its the infinite fusion server after all

[clever dew]

how do you do that?

[odd kiln]

go to if dex ou

enter mon in head

enter mon in body

[clever dew]

ty

how to find that?

[odd kiln]

[clever dew]

im not seeing a pin on my screen

i hate opponents who spam heals over and overt

[odd kiln]

@radiant rivet think you misunderstood the last two ideas, genesect would be suspected into ou not out of it and for weather id be suspecting banning the weather setting abils entirely

[radiant rivet]

Thank you for the clarification

[delicate gull]

If people don’t want genesect in ou they are being babies fr

[low sphinx]

i ko'd 2 of some randoms pokemon with a sunflora then he forfeited

[cyan rock]

My goat golisopod

My precious king

[cyan rock]

Yeah I would love to run fell stinger

With technician

[obtuse shoal]

those stats are pretty good

[odd kiln]

illusion vote in the showdown poll

i dont see ur name

[obtuse shoal]

oh sorry, is the poll here or in the pokeathlon discord

[odd kiln]

#showdown-announcements message

[obtuse shoal]

done, thank you

[vital sand]

Speaking of, do you think that with fusions, would it be necessary to have like a regenerator clause

Yes ok I feel like I've been talking shit about it but like, it's basically a pp spending machine with how you switch two regenerators for free

Even if Vcreate isn't banned or even using a boosted snorcor facade, it's basically a risk free pressure contraption

Both still get walled by a steel regen fusion or a water regen fusion too if you think about it

One regen is manageable I feel

Two regens is basically "How can I make this into a 2 hour button clicking simulator"

Especially when you get a good read to kill the enemy's stall breaker/setup sweeper

Even poison heal is not that free, you need to spend a turn/take at least 1 hit first before getting the heal from it

[odd kiln]

if we determine regen is too strong wed just have a 1 ability clause

[vital sand]

Yes, that's what I meant, 1 regen clause, I also have mentioned that in the form, I just wanna talk about it

[odd kiln]

it wouldnt be 1 regen clause

itd be 1 any ability clause

[vital sand]

Hm

[vital sand]

Tbh I never see people abuse other abilities more than regenerator

I've met people stacking intimidate and sand rushers

But they're more than manageable

[celest oriole]

yo, anybody wanna get on?

[calm rose]

Anyone for a battle?

[rose finch]

how to play inf fusion showdown mod?

[odd kiln]

https://play.pokeathlon.com/#lobby

[hexed umbra]

Conversation went off track in #pif-hoenn-discussion , but what does everything think about Swoobat (if it got added)

I don't think it will be broken, 77 special attack is really poor and the types aren't that good. Decent speed but nothing incredible

[odd kiln]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message refer to this

[exotic steeple]

Is thsi chat about normal showdown or is there a infinite fusion showdowj

[hexed umbra]

Theres an infinite fusion showdown, link is the first pin

Have fun with and/or against regen stall!

[radiant rivet]

If V-create gets banned, is there a chance for entei to get e-speed back?

[hexed umbra]

No, Entei lacks espeed because espeed is an event move, its nothing to do with balancing

You could make a request for the legendary beasts to get espeed in #game-suggestions though

[radiant rivet]

fair, i remember something along that as reasoning

[shut shard]

how is vespiquen not in???

[delicate gull]

Without 2 Regencore it’s normally harder for bulkier teams to hold in this meta

There are so many random breakers

[obtuse shoal]

There's a specific regencore too.

I went against a team that had flying poison toxapex, and gliscor, and you just can't break these

You can't poison them, and they're not weak to spikes

So stalling them doesn't work

[odd kiln]

what flying with pex

and what regen with gliscor

[obtuse shoal]

https://sim.pokeathlon.com/replays/rudihrtd-illusion911-1724714300834.html

There was no leech seed/spikes/ stealth rock out of this one.

[odd kiln]

bro this is mono thats a completely different meta

[obtuse shoal]

I'm not making a case that it is banworthy though

[odd kiln]

wait this isnt even a regencore its one regen and snorcor

[obtuse shoal]

Yeah my team was about spikes

But yes even if you add an ability clause, then regencore and poison heal will still be paired up doing the same thing

[odd kiln]

i think thats inaccurate bc ph cant outheal hazards and moves over 12%

[delicate gull]

I think hazzard spam teams should be able to over run regen core teams I assume

[hexed umbra]

Triple spikes is vert strong against regen

[vital sand]

I don't think that'll work either. Believe me, I use a regen core against a hazard stacker and it's nothing short of just inconvenience and it's too consistent of how much it doesn't matter. You'd still need an all round breaker. Regen heals on switch out and since most of them are incredibly chonky, even at 67% it still renders hazards pointless. Toxapex has the option to be immune/remove toxic spikes, there's also the fact that the current regens being pex, slowtwins, growth, reuniclus (maybe not that one) has type synergy with resistances, playing around them basically just require precise prediction. Popular breakers can handle only handle so much. Yanmega is good against most tangrowth variants but loses to pex, vice versa with the likes of ursaring, and traditional breakers like snorcor doesn't output enough damage or stops them from switching after taunt. The thought of setting up these Mons in front of any of the aegislash lines is also too risky to break the defenses.

V create is the most consistent answer to this dilemma, but it brings to the question, do you really need a base 180 move just to get rid of a single chain?

[undone surge]

ok but vcreate works on every team except rain!!!

[odd kiln]

removing up to 37.5% isnt pointless even 2-3 spikes can mean a 3hko turns into a 2hko and even if the regen mons switch that chip stays on

[delicate gull]

At least with spikes you won’t get regen looped also some of the best regen mons be weak to spikes

[hexed umbra]

Having max spikes allows you to actually punish regen pivot spam

[delicate gull]

Extra chip is always needed to put a regen mon in a unfavorable position

Then some regen cores just get overwhelmed by set up breakers

[odd kiln]

most of them really unless you have specthief/haze/phazing somewhere

[weary burrow]

How does stance change work on aegislash fusions?

[pure breach]

When you use an attacking move itll change to its “sword form”, swapping its offense stats with its defense stats. It’ll swap back to “shield form” if you click any variant of protect.

[weary burrow]

So it works just like normal Aegislash?

[delicate gull]

It’s seems like it

Idk whenever I try to use stance change it feels like the mons are doing zero dmg for some reason idk why maybe I’m just being superstitious tho

[deft oasis]

last time there was a discussion about Stance Change I was informed that it works a little differently in IF, in that it swaps the EVs and nature as well (such that 252+ SpD will become 252+ SpA upon Stance Change)

[hexed umbra]

Wait, it works with other protect-style moves???

[pure breach]

Correct, it swaps the full stat. Not stat changes or other modifiers

[pure breach]

Should do!

[obtuse shoal]

What if cloyster switched typing
So you can use the water type with the body

[hexed umbra]

Not much reason to use it without shell smash

[deft oasis]

if Cloyster was Ice/Water you'd be able to fuse it with a fast physical attacker and fire off 125 BP STAB Icicle Spears off of a higher Atk and Spe stat, which come with the benefit of breaking subs, sash, and not triggering contact effects like Rocky Helmet/Iron Barbs/Flame Body

it's still not very strong imo but I wouldn't exactly say there's no reason to use it without Shell Smash

[obtuse shoal]

Nah, if it was ice water using the body would give it the water.

It becomes a water type with 180 base defense

[deft oasis]

I meant if you used it as an Ice-type head instead

[pure breach]

You could request the type change, but I doubt they would

Since type changes are usually tied to the spriting making sense because the body is more “grass” type for example

[feral ice]

i kinda miss the days where you could just hit the delete button aka boomburst on poryvern and they explode. Balanced? No. Funny? Yes.

[radiant rivet]

I remember the time marrowak with thick club was legal

Used a scyther fusion and hit people with a technician boosted bonemerang

[feral ice]

ok ok, sylvnite's still here?

[radiant rivet]

yep pixalate espeed to your hearts content

[feral ice]

FUCK YEAH

[radiant rivet]

and by heartscontent I mean till you get walled

[feral ice]

by steel and poison types probably

im guessing those are FUCKING EVREYWHERE

[radiant rivet]

gamefreak has favorites

[feral ice]

if does too

[radiant rivet]

and it aint the bug type

[feral ice]

it's named Sylvnite

if there ever is a mascot for competitive fusions, that's it right there

[radiant rivet]

No that would be jiragrowth

or Ursanite.
Snorcor also works.

[feral ice]

Snorcor being used by the Elite Four tells you a lot about it

[radiant rivet]

its not broken

just really good and diverse

[feral ice]

true

[gloomy oak]

Can i play with fusion pokemon in pokemon showdown website

[pure breach]

Hi! You can fuse any two Pokemon in the Infinite Fusion Showdown (which is not the base showdown), you can find it pinned at anytime, the link is - https://play.pokeathlon.com

[serene arch]

Do we have ffa random battles yet

[mild tartan]

Is there a way to export our teams from the game as a .txt file, so I can copy and paste them to my teams on https://play.pokeathlon.com ?

[odd kiln]

not from ingame

[mild tartan]

#general message

someone just told me that

I'm gonna check

It could be very nice to have that

[odd kiln]

oh really

well thats what i heard before i dont play the game atm

[pure breach]

as far as I know you should be able to using the man in the corner at the pokecenters

[odd kiln]

Where Are Vc Suspect Alts?

[delicate gull]

A lot of people might just be waiting for suspect tours

Waiting to battle people is hella annoying

[spring lagoon]

i got bored

[odd kiln]

Protip: Use a different nature to save 4 EVs: 252 HP / 104 SpA / 148 SpD / (+SpD, -Atk)

[spring lagoon]

yeah but i thinking hitting a little harder matters

while being more bulky

wait actually

that is better

i could tweak it a little but that works

i was gonna say before you said that i could make a couple of tweaks

[radiant rivet]

I wonder how many people have already Qualified for the vote on V-create

[odd kiln]

0

[radiant rivet]

quick question.

Why are you all so good at the game?

[odd kiln]

almost 10 years of playing

[radiant rivet]

showdown or casual?

[odd kiln]

showdown

[radiant rivet]

thats terryfing

[pure breach]

Triples have not been tested so hoping everything works fine lmao

[delicate gull]

We got triples before a VGC format

[gloomy oak]

Can someone give me the link of showdown

[pure breach]

https://play.pokeathlon.com it’s also pinned

[vital sand]

ikr smh

[gloomy oak]

Thx

Oh there is no mega evo thats sad

Will they add them by time?

[pure breach]

Infinite Fusion doesn't have mega evolutions, I can't speak for the dev of the game, but I don't believe there are any plans to add them anytime soon

if you'd like to use megas, other formats like NatDex AG has them

[patent yoke]

Mega evo is like a long time away tbh

There's still a lot of Gen 3-7 pokemons missing too

[zinc pecan]

Hi, is there someone I could go to in order to get help coding my own showdown server with mods? I've been trying for over a month but I'm running into a lot of problems. I'm looking for someone who'd be able to help me. Of course I would pay in exchange for tutoring/help sessions. DM me if interested, thank you

[gloomy oak]

How to create an account on pokemon showdown

[undone surge]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/
get a username, register it

[radiant rivet]

Does Contrary count as an option to punish defog?
Since it gives an evasion boost

[noble dirge]

probably yeah

you could be even funnier and punish with a move that doesn't have 100% accuracy

ah i misread

yeah it'd still be a funny punish move

[hexed umbra]

A +2 evasion boost is certainly annoying, but its not immediately threatening unlike a Defiant/Competitive boost

[radiant rivet]

I thought defog only gives minus one evasion (so plus one for contrary)

[hexed umbra]

Oh it is, mb

Well that makes it worse lol

[odd kiln]

still a defog punisher

esp with sub

serp is noted as a good one in vanilla

[radiant rivet]

right that combo sounds evil.

[odd ember]

can you do fusions battle in showdown or create fusions in Showdown??

[odd kiln]

yes

[odd ember]

where??

[odd kiln]

http://play.pokeathlon.com/

its in the pins

can you edit this msg so its clear this is the showdown link so ppl stop asking

[wispy ember]

edit it how exactly

?tag showdown

[frosty yarrow]

Infinite Fusions Showdown Server : https://play.pokeathlon.com/

[wispy ember]

like this?

[odd kiln]

oh i didnt know that existed

thats fine then

[radiant rivet]

I feel like slurpuff wont have much of an impact without bellydrum

[odd kiln]

its a web bot except we already had one in smeargle

[radiant rivet]

and gourgeist?

[odd kiln]

shittier tangrowth

[radiant rivet]

finally another frisk user

maybe it will do something in UU

[odd kiln]

doubt when chesnaught exists

[radiant rivet]

IF PU when?

maybe it will do something down there?

[odd kiln]

ru maybe

[deft oasis]

I haven't played since the suspect test started; is it normal for the battles to be using Gen 9 mechanics?

[odd kiln]

no its a bug

just ping dunscy when it happens

[deft oasis]

@pure breach so it seems like snow warning sets snow (5 turns) instead of hail at the moment in IF Dex

[pure breach]

woooop should be good now

[unborn pine]

Suprised VC wasn't tested earlier

[unborn pine]

I forgot English makes no sense sometimes

Infinite Fusions means that the showdown server is owned by infinite fusion but it looks like its just plural fusion

[odd kiln]

it was mostly contrary pushing it over the edge

but hitting sun vcreate too is good

[feral ice]

I guess giving STAB VC with some 140 attack mon does obliterate shit

even better if banded

or boosted

[deft oasis]

I once tried running banded PoryZ/Entei in a Sun team just for fun; turns out V-Create straight up 2HKOs defensive Slowbro/Steelix through the resist

[radiant rivet]

I would like to vote on particepate on the vote on V-Create sadly I seem to be lacking a somewhat crucial ingredient : skill.

[patent yoke]

You don't have to be skilled at competitive to talk and discuss competitive

[radiant rivet]

I do need to get an 80% winrate after 35 games to be allowed to vote however.

[odd kiln]

whats the team ur using

[lofty locust]

??

[lone dust]

@pure breach IF Dex OU validator is broken

[pure breach]

I gotchu

[radiant rivet]

I used this team for the tournament https://pokepast.es/db579cc47f246876

I dont think my problem is my team rather my lack of skill in piloting it.

[odd kiln]

i think this team is too passive

spin + sr mon, mono specthief steelflying (with p bad bulk to boot tbh), mono knock tox, etc

[radiant rivet]

I mean I did want to play stall, so how do I improve it while still keeping it stall?

[radiant rivet]

I do understand why putting spin and rocks on the same mon is suboptimal, but I do not know how to fix it

For pex, should I swap knock for scald?

[odd kiln]

jab actually hits lurtei

replace entei for a spinner then make doncor into rhycor as a dedicated sr

[radiant rivet]

what would be a viable spinner?

slowphan was the best, but with lurtei its a v-create absorber weak to a vc abuser

[odd kiln]

thats why you have pex

[radiant rivet]

does it beat i lurtei in sun?

[odd kiln]

idk i havent faced that

[radiant rivet]

I specifically added melo entei to improve my sun match up

since lurtei loses hard to it

[odd kiln]

not if it clicks superpower on the switch

[radiant rivet]

thats a 50/50 for it tho. Do i predict the SP and go clops or do I read the VC and go for melo

[odd kiln]

you build stall so you dont have to 50/50

if you have 6 walls you should be able to cover 99% of all mons

[radiant rivet]

I am struggling against the one percent

[odd kiln]

if ur struggling against lurtei in sun ur struggling against more than 1%

bc i can see togeking 6-0ing you too

[radiant rivet]

yeah that too

[odd kiln]

or even dd eq entei haxorus

[radiant rivet]

How the heck to I build 6 walls for that?

that dont lose to magic guard clef

or are useless against magicbounce

Max def Clef handles ursanite pretty well but gets overwhelmed by lurtei with a band

[odd kiln]

if its band you just scout it with tox

[radiant rivet]

I agree that tox has a favourable match up against lurtei (unless its banded with sun) Update I just found out that pex is 2shot by banded lurtei if rocks are up

Now I just need to handle the other threats

Slowlix would handle haxorous ( I dont know how well it takes guts boosted facades from ursanite tho)

then the question becomes how to handle the special attackers

Slowdreigon handles most special rain abusers as well as most special sun abusers it does however lose to PoryZMoltres Specs Hurricane and it has to risk a 50/50 against Typhlosion/Latios

[odd kiln]

split the role between a steel and a dragon then

or steel and water

[radiant rivet]

so you mean a water steel? I dont think its a good idea to have your water type weak against grounds

[odd kiln]

it could be a water steel

special grounds are rare besides togeking

[radiant rivet]

so slowking with jirachi?

[odd kiln]

thats water psychic

[radiant rivet]

since I have to have Uturn

so scizor then?

[odd kiln]

you dont have to use uturn

[radiant rivet]

Doesnt that make my team to passive?

and lose hard to Uturn chains

[odd kiln]

if ur uturning into a wall that doesnt make you less passive

and regen makes you not lose

[radiant rivet]

I do not understand

With uturn I can react to my opponents switch right?

[odd kiln]

voltturn beats opponents by wearing them down into range but regen means you effectively lose 0 hp

[radiant rivet]

do I ?

voltturn usually doenst have access to snorcor Alakazm/electrode and meloentei

or rather their firepower

[odd kiln]

zam loses to toxtar meloentei loses to slowlix/slowphan

snorcor is not really a part of voltturn

[radiant rivet]

I cant really use toxtar

and lets say I could

I would have to switch into toxtar every time even if I knew that zam would volt that turn because the threat of mindblown/Energyball is too much for most grounds. Which mean zam switches into a Melo/entei who toxtar cannot survive against forcing me to switch into pex in fear of VC only to be hit by a uturn causing the cycle to repeat

but I dont have toxtar since I am using pex with gliscor to get a bulky spiker

[odd kiln]

252 SpA Life Orb Alakazam Volt Switch vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Toxapex: 56-68 (16.7 - 20.2%) -- 88.5% chance to 4HKO

this is what i mean

it volt switches goes into entei

you leave

it didnt do any damage

[radiant rivet]

But I dont make progrees either

[odd kiln]

you make a small bit of progress bc they lost 1 pp

they cant do it forever

[radiant rivet]

so I need toxtar?

[odd kiln]

plus if you set hazards they cant go into entei forever either

[radiant rivet]

then the question becomes who is a viable spiker

since pex golisopod is off the table

and I still need a spinner

[odd kiln]

idk what your team is rn

[radiant rivet]

https://pokepast.es/9b1f4944283a6bb9 WIP

I dislike that doublade mence loses to haxorous in sand

maybe quag/steelix?

[vernal spoke]

Is Pokeathlon affected by the Gitlab problem

[pure breach]

yeah, no new sprites until that's solved, since we pull from there

[misty flume]

yo is there a category for like all pokemon no like tier limitations

[odd kiln]

if dex ag

[misty flume]

tyyy

[radiant rivet]

what is more likely, IF dex Ubers or IF dex RU?

[odd kiln]

ubers

i already have a banlist idea

[radiant rivet]

neat

[radiant rivet]

what would said banlist entail?

[odd kiln]

uber banlist:

• clauses: evasion clause, ohko clause, species clause, sleep clause
• abilities: huge power, moody, wonder guard, shadow tag, arena trap, imposter
• moves: spore, belly drum, shell smash, baton pass, vcreate, tail glow, geomancy?

[radiant rivet]

why is vcreate bannend in ubers?

or rater why would it be bannend?

[odd kiln]

band hoohgroudon 2hkos everything

[radiant rivet]

like everything?

what about lugia with its mulitscale

or a kyogre dragon fusion in the rain

[radiant rivet]

A question regarding the fusion calculator : does it take eviolite into account? Taking the fusion of Salamence with doublade as an example

[odd kiln]

yes

[patent yoke]

I thought there was already IF Ubers and IF Anything Goes

Or I'm guessing those are still very much in development

[pure breach]

IF Anything Goes is there

IF Ubers is not

[patent yoke]

IF Ubers is still in progress I'm guessing

[worthy marsh]

just had a thought but what about sheer force craniados with some kind flare blitz? it removes the burn chance for extra oomph +sheer force + life orb with the crazy attack

[radiant rivet]

While the idea isnt bad per say, you do have to use Rampardos and give it a fire typing.
While Rock/Fire is pretty good offensivly, since you want to use Rampardos as the body to access its attack it means you have to use its Speed stat as well, which is not good.
This is a problem since Rock/Fire is so bad defensivly with the 4x weakness to Water and Ground.

TL DR it could hit very hard when it gets to move, but it rarely will.

[vital gale]

if you use one pokemon that isn't evolved in a fusion can it still run eviolite or do both mons need to be not fully evolved?

[odd kiln]

former

[glossy zealot]

which one of you showdown guys sneaked torkoal in

(im not mad thou)

[radiant rivet]

Is water/poison a good offensive type? On the physical side to be exact

[glossy zealot]

your super effective stab coverage would be rock, ground, fire,grass and fairy

but you will always have something neutral to hit

[radiant rivet]

Thinking of fusing muk with feraligator

[patent yoke]

Is Water/Poison not better as defensive than offensive tho

It's all based on experience I guess considering the ones that exist canonically are all defensive based like Toxapex and Tentacruel

[glossy zealot]

may i suggest

[radiant rivet]

Dd instead of bunker?

Also fire punch to hit Jiragrowth

[odd kiln]

muk feraligatr sounds super slow and weak

[radiant rivet]

I would use crobat

if it had a good poison move

[glossy zealot]

i dont know the meta i just play reg h vgc

[odd kiln]

poison water is ok offensively but there arent good offensive poison mons in if besides nidoking

[glossy zealot]

the punch could change for coverage

muk looks decent for a defensive mon

[radiant rivet]

Doesnt DD from gator fix the power and speed issue?

[glossy zealot]

i think bulky assalt vest is the way to go

[radiant rivet]

It has a niche as a knock absorber

[odd kiln]

no bc you dont break through unaware and you still get outsped by scarfers

[radiant rivet]

Isnt the Number one unaware weak to poison?

[odd kiln]

not if its fairy ghost or fairy steel

additionally quaglix isnt weak to either stab

[radiant rivet]

Been ages since Ive seen quag

but fair

[glossy zealot]

is trickroom good in singles? i just play doubles

[radiant rivet]

Difficult

since you have so few turns to work with

and you cant just double a slot

[glossy zealot]

as a said if you are bulky enough you can afford be the last, so i think the best build possible for that specific combination is assault vest

or leftover + bunker idk

does earthquake procs sheer force ? because of the double dig stuff?

[odd kiln]

no

[radiant rivet]

Thinking about putting Lurantis/Entei on a webs team, since it kind of always benefits on those

[odd kiln]

not a bad idea

its low spe makes it harder to get free turns

[radiant rivet]

I was more thinking about the fact that all forms of counterplay vs Webs get ruined by Entei/Lurantis

Magic bounce gives it a speed boost,Defog gives it an evasion boost and spin gives it a free turn to come in.

and if webs are on the opponents side it can outspeed things it normally would get checked by.

Doenst help with Lurantis/Entei biggest weakness however

Torkoal/Reuniclus sounds nice on paper

[glossy zealot]

hmm now talking about torkoal what will be his best fusion for drought

[odd kiln]

jirachi torkoal

[radiant rivet]

umbreon torkaol

[odd kiln]

bad defensive typing + weak to sr

[radiant rivet]

how is dark/fire bad typing?

bug grass is bad typing not fire dark

[odd kiln]

bug grass is an awful defensive typing

fire dark is just bad

[radiant rivet]

why?

[odd kiln]

weak to ground weak to fighting weak to rock

[delicate gull]

Welp

Now we have to deal with Torkoal very fun

[odd kiln]

@pure breach gen error

[pure breach]

nuh huh

[minor saddle]

I'll sprite a couple competitively viable torkoals if you ping me

Same for carbinks

[odd kiln]

sprite jirachi/torkoal

[radiant rivet]

Reuniclus/Torkoal with Magic guard Trickroom/Eruption/Psyshock/Energyball/Earth power sound fun

[radiant rivet]

Doesnt drought mean Umbreons Moonlight is always buffed and heals for 75 instead of 50?

[odd kiln]

66

that doesnt mean much when youre taking 70 from so many coverage moves

[odd kiln]

good luck getting a free turn to tr

[radiant rivet]

With its bulk, immunity to willow and toxic it honestly seems doable

especially since it isnt weak to hazards

[odd kiln]

regardless of bulk any dmg you take means ur doing like 50 bp eruptions

[radiant rivet]

overheat then?

[odd kiln]

means you have to switch

[radiant rivet]

I know reuniclus did use a TR set in gen 5

so the idea isnt unfounded

[odd kiln]

i didnt say reuniclus cant use tr

[minor saddle]

This sounds fun to sprite ngl

[odd kiln]

what i am saying is momentum is essential to tr so overheat is v bad on it

[odd kiln]

thats good

[radiant rivet]

Heatwave then?

[odd kiln]

heat wave is just worse flamethrower

run fire blast

[radiant rivet]

That 85 acc sounds annoying

[odd kiln]

better to have an 85% chance to 2hko something rather than a 0%

[pure breach]

Melokoal has decent bulk and spatk and access to Uturn, tho rocks weak

[odd kiln]

thats why you use jirakoal to fix both problems

why did i think you said two problems

[pure breach]

yeah but you'd already said Jirakoal and I was looking for another good koal fusion

[odd kiln]

oh

gliscortorkoal sounds maybe ok

[radiant rivet]

Would jiracoal be better then jiratales?

[odd kiln]

yes bc lower speed higher bulk

[radiant rivet]

offensivly?

[pure breach]

it has very slightly higher spatk

[odd kiln]

:baseballed:

[radiant rivet]

wow ninetales just cant catch a brake

[patent yoke]

Another L for the Ninetales crowd

[odd kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bozo-gif-22294771

[radiant rivet]

Shouldnt Jirachi/Torkoal get sunsteel strike?

Since the condition was fusing a fire type with a steel typ and said mon knowing iron head?

[pure breach]

no, it's these mons fused with a steel type

[radiant rivet]

Fair enough

[delicate gull]

I think every other good koal fusion probably ain’t gone have uturn

[radiant rivet]

You kind of want your sun setter to pivot into a sun abuser?

[glossy zealot]

torkoal with parting shoot would be great

[radiant rivet]

Should I feel proud for causing such a reaction?

[vagrant pawn]

bro the showdown tours at 12am for me 😦

[pure breach]

broo same

[vagrant pawn]

anyone wana do some randbats?

[deft oasis]

the tours are at 7am for me so...yeah

[radiant rivet]

Does this mean the If Dex Ou tournament will happen after V-Create may or may not have been bannend?

[vagrant pawn]

better than 12 am

[pure breach]

we tried to find a timezone that would realistically get everyone at a decent time

Late afternoon for Americans, late night for Europeans (which should be feasible for Friday/Saturday) and early morning for Japan

[vagrant pawn]

yea "decent time" lol

[vagrant pawn]

ye but no other days 😦

[odd kiln]

if u think 12 am is worse than 7 am ur a Boomer. Lol.

[vagrant pawn]

nah

Im not

[pure breach]

I mean yeah, gotta get a timezone, it's genuinely the most realistic one we could think of. Any earlier is too early for Asia, and most Americans would still be at work

[vagrant pawn]

just a lot of people wake up at 6 so thats before the time most people asleep at 12

[pure breach]

I know and I understand

I myself won't be up at that time most days

[odd kiln]

i havent met someone who doesnt stay past 12 often personally

[pure breach]

you need to go to Pokeathlon Discord to verify, and pleast just put your username. https://discord.com/channels/1070125689107382403/1292876130214346802

[tribal trellis]

what about 2 am

is that good

asking for a friend

[odd kiln]

Lol.

i stay up past 2 am a lot

[tribal trellis]

well i'll join doubles that's for sure

all the other ones

we'll see how much sleep i would like ig

[radiant rivet]

WIll doubles have the same rules as last time ? Meaning not even a species clause?

[pure breach]

unless I've changed them, then maybe?

I can change it if I haven't yet

[radiant rivet]

I dont think having 6 Mimikyus on a team was the point of a doubles format

[obtuse shoal]

yeah I barely won that

[radiant rivet]

So If I want a magnezone that is fire/Steel I need to fuse it with a fire type and use mag as the head since its steel/electric.
Correct?

[odd kiln]

yes

mukclops looks impressive

would force my sylcario to use eq

[radiant rivet]

Doesnt kill it

and you risk being burned

[cedar mortar]

what are popular rapid spinner users nowadays? I remember people using donphan body a lot but what do people use as the head?

I’d imagine something that could utilize sucker punch or something of the like to force out ghost types

[radiant rivet]

i suggest you wait on that one

[cedar mortar]

Wdym?

[radiant rivet]

V-create might get bannend tomorrpw

meaning Lurantis/Entei gets a lot worse

Meaning donphan/Slowbro gets better

[cedar mortar]

Donphan uses head as its fusion or is that just due to the edge case of lunatei v-create?

[radiant rivet]

Wdym?

[cedar mortar]

the example you gave means donphan is used as the head in that fusion. Wanted to ask if it’s exclusively due to lunatris/entei having access to v-create or if that’s just how people use that fusion

[radiant rivet]

Donphan is usually the head since its hp is so nice

Yes that means you get its shit spd

but the hp is worth it

[cedar mortar]

I can see it, yeah. There other examples of rapid spinners that people use or is donphan/slowbro the most relevant one? I can assume slowbro specifically for regenerator lol

[radiant rivet]

tenta/hydreigon

more offensive

donphan/pex since pex needs more utility

[obtuse shoal]

thing is that muk learns recover here

which is kinda weird, because I don't understand from where

it's not on the expert moves list

[odd kiln]

from the if games

[radiant rivet]

huge buff

[cedar mortar]

i think if goes off of gen 7 Learnset iirc?

[obtuse shoal]

apparently it's from the tm

[radiant rivet]

appearently not

[cedar mortar]

Huh

[obtuse shoal]

other mons also have this, like jirachi

[radiant rivet]

there is a recover tm?

[obtuse shoal]

in if, yes

[cedar mortar]

Slightly modded gen 7 Learnset then if muk doesn’t learn it in vanilla I suppose? Ima look into it in a sec

[radiant rivet]

yes

[obtuse shoal]

muk is pretty weird though. It's just a poison that can heal I guess

and it's kinda bulky

[radiant rivet]

Sometimes that is enough

[obtuse shoal]

I guess it's the bulkiest poison type that can heal

[radiant rivet]

Stickyhold is awesome

[obtuse shoal]

after that, it's crobat

[radiant rivet]

Neat mon

[obtuse shoal]

it's also immune to toxic

so that's neat

[radiant rivet]

very much so

[obtuse shoal]

but since it's so bulky, it's not like poison fire that dies to non stab eq

pretty inspiring stuff

tomorrow is if dex ag

ready your shedinjas boys

[cedar mortar]

Just checked every Learnset on pokemondb for muk and Alolan muk, didn’t see recover on there. Maybe it’s a scyther move?

Side note anyone participating in the tourney mind posting their replays so I have replays to watch on my shift? Can’t participate cause it’s when my shift starts but love watching what teams people make and haven’t seen any uu lmao

[radiant rivet]

https://sim.pokeathlon.com/replays/infinnite69-modrift63-1728343064655.html

finals

[cedar mortar]

Preciate you

[odd kiln]

muk doesnt learn it in vanilla but its something it learns in the if game

its like how jirachi learns recover

or garchomp learns ddance

[cedar mortar]

Wait I thought the main reason why mons don’t get moves added to their kit was cause it was supposed to all come from gen 7? did frog man answer why those are the exceptions to that rule?

[radiant rivet]

It was never said mons dont get moves added

gen7 is used as orientation, and sometimes a mon gets a buff

The fact that chomp has ddance but no one cares is honestly astounding

[cedar mortar]

Ah gotcha so then I prolly just got that from the main response from game suggestions when moves are suggested to be added to a learnset

[cedar mortar]

Honestly agree the second I saw that as an example I was befuddled

[radiant rivet]

Tbf if your competion is guts stab espeed, chomp doesnt cut it

[cedar mortar]

He’s the champ in peoples hearts, I suppose

Stab espeed do go crazy though, no reason to use ddance when that exists

[radiant rivet]

makes for a fun spinner with tenta

because rough skin is decent

[cedar mortar]

Ah yeah somehow keep forgetting chomp gets that lol

[cedar mortar]

Hey if tournies are gonna be a daily thing wouldn’t it also be a good idea to make a replays channel to post highlights from said tournies or is there something that prevents that channel from being made?

I’m assuming the pokeathelon discord has more agency in that probably wouldn’t be an issue but having that channel would be nice for people who like if comp as a spectator sport or for people who want ideas for ladder

[odd kiln]

id like a channel like that though even the pokeathlon doesnt have one

[radiant rivet]

when will the result of the votes on V-create be announced?

[odd kiln]

im gonna extend it by a couple days so i can get a few more voters

[inner jasper]

Added this suggestions to the PoA suggestions channel and included reaching out to the powers that be over in this Discord to see if we could get one here as well.

[cedar mortar]

Fingers crossed

[inner jasper]

Wish granted, we now have #showdown-replays here and in the PoA discord.

[cedar mortar]

pog

[radiant rivet]

does this mean V-create will be legal for the IF dex OU tournament this weekend?

[obtuse shoal]

thoughts on togekiss?

[odd kiln]

in what

[odd kiln]

perhaps if i cant find enough voters by then

[glossy zealot]

fairy type + serene grace i dont play if showdown but i doubt he is a bad option

[ruby dust]

Is there a link anywhere for infinite fusion showdown

[frosty yarrow]

There are no tags in that category.

[odd kiln]

errm

?tag showdown

[frosty yarrow]

Infinite Fusions Showdown Server : https://play.pokeathlon.com/

[obtuse shoal]

funny thing about ghost normal types.
You can send it in to counter ghost type. But if you're both ghost normal, you can't affect each other with stabs

[glossy zealot]

question for the showdown players: what are the best fusions for ninetales as a sunsetter

[odd kiln]

jirachi/ninetales or ninetales/celebi

but ninetales has now been outclassed by torkoal

[radiant rivet]

considering that both finalist, can get a vote on the V-create ban, I assume not many people qualified for it.

wasnt there once talk of allowing dry pass? (Baton pass but you cant pass stats)

[obtuse shoal]

What if I swagger you and you pass

[odd kiln]

id never consider that

what would be the point

[pure breach]

more momentum options

since IF Dex currently only has U-Turn and a very limited Volt Switch and Parting Shot

[radiant rivet]

Does BP trigger the double dmg from pursuit?
I remember reading somewhere that it doesnt.
(Something about celebi using the move in gen 5)

[radiant rivet]

Pretty sure that would be allowed since that is a missplay of the enemy.

[odd kiln]

we have plenty of uturners

and looking at the bp users there arent even that many

of the mons in ou/uu only the two fairies dont already have pivoting

meanwhile it opens the door to potentially dumb stuff like subpass

[radiant rivet]

ngl the idea of allowing togeking to get switch advantage sounds terryfing

what is holding bisharp back? Defiant is a great ability, yet noone is using the mon

[odd kiln]

did we lose replay channel

gj everyone

[odd kiln]

id say the fact that spin is easy to come by and that maintaining its typing while getting good offenses is really hard

[obtuse shoal]

wierdly enough you don't see that much intimidate going around

But I can imagine some play go on with screens+bisharp

since no one uses brick break, the only thing there is to punish is defiant

[pure breach]

yea, big boss said it wasn't getting enough proper use and was just inciting spam so...

[odd kiln]

[obtuse shoal]

[serene arch]

I’m thinking of starting an infinite fusion showdown draft league so just like ping or dm me if you’re interested

Need 8 (including me)

[radiant rivet]

nat dex or If dex?

[serene arch]

Natdex

[subtle wolf]

what happened to the channel

[obtuse shoal]

Im pretty surprised that the win was mew steelix. It's the most random thing imaginable