showdown-general

[cedar mortar]

You cannot change my mind on this

[fast blade]

Interesting I'll have to test that

[dull plaza]

Possible Abilities section for Reshiram

[fast blade]

Oh nice thanks

[undone surge]

how does stance change work again, i forgor

[deft oasis]

Stance Change swaps your Atk with Def, and SpA with SpD when you use an attacking move; it only swaps the base stats and doesn't swap the IVs and EVs

[undone surge]

ok so i have to run kings shield if i want actual

ok

ty

guess im not using that

[unborn pine]

Reshiram has flare boost but regularly it wouldn't even be able to use it lol

With fusing it can

That will be a good reshiram buff tho

[lost galleon]

That's a pretty substantial buff to Flygon fusions too. With ground type fusions you can turn a water weakness into an immunity, and fire types aren't usually going to want to sit on an incoming STAB earthquake or earth power.

Hustle Hydreigon could also be spooky, because it makes physical sets with it a lot more viable.

And I guess Ice Body Kyurem is almost a real hail abuser if you squint

[deft oasis]

Time to pair Flygon with a Fire type and play mind games with your opponent, making them guess if it's weak to Water or to Ground since it can have immunities to either

[brazen prawn]

huh

[unborn pine]

Sadly most fire types are mid

[tiny wadi]

what is pokeathlon on showdown ?

[undone surge]

fakemons made my the people who made the server

they're gonna add other fangames and fakemons

i think next is insurgence?

honestly its a fun break from infinite fusions, mega electrode is funny

[pure breach]

(For the record, the Pokeathlon admins have only made 3 of those, the rest are made by the community)

[vivid junco]

Like me

[shut shard]

and I am forever grateful for this community

[hearty flame]

Should Toxapex be Suspect tested for Ubers?

I would vote yes

[pure breach]

In which format, IF Dex OU?

[cedar mortar]

I’d assume so. What’re the usage stats on mons actually that’d be really interesting to see what people use

[grizzled oak]

What were the results of the Boomburst suspect test

[undone surge]

ban

[vivid junco]

If you join the programming discord you can submit your own fakemon to the client throught the contest system

1 of the 1 I am re submitting. I didn't make the sprite someone else did

Resubmitting from the old client

[hearty flame]

Yes

And there should be a IF monotype as well

Maybe even a mono pokemon where all fusions must have at one of the same pokemon so like a full team of sylveon or clefable or Aegislash fusions

[hearty flame]

An example of IF mono pokemon team

Sylnine (Sylveon) @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Pixilate
Fusion: Arcanine

• Extreme Speed
• Flare Blitz
• Crunch
• Morning Sun

Sylcario (Sylveon) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Pixilate
Fusion: Lucario

• Extreme Speed
• Drain Punch
• Bullet Punch
• Rock Slide

Glisveon (Gliscor) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
Fusion: Sylveon
Alt: b
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Impish Nature

• Substitute
• Protect
• Toxic
• U-turn

Syleon (Sylveon) @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
Fusion: Vaporeon
EVs: 128 HP / 252 Def / 128 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Scald
• Moonblast
• Aqua Ring
• Wish

Sylzing (Sylveon) @ Black Sludge
Ability: Levitate
Fusion: Weezing
EVs: 252 HP / 128 Def / 128 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Sludge Bomb
• Thunderbolt
• Clear Smog
• Toxic Spikes

Genveon (Gengar) @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
Fusion: Sylveon
EVs: 128 HP / 252 Def / 128 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Trick-or-Treat
• Focus Blast
• Dark Pulse
• Moonlight

[hearty flame]

A mono fire team in action
Warning: 60 turns +

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=sicklenickle-tmg60-1710123038138

[hexed umbra]

Did the boomburst voting happen?

[solar kettle]

ye, ban won

[shut shard]

banned from what?

[hexed umbra]

Uhhh I didnt vote anywhere (posted reqs) but I vote ban

woo

[hearty flame]

IF dex OU

[shut shard]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=rudihrtd-oddpolygon-1710161153952 I like this zoark fusion a whole lot

[ruby current]

Noivern users in shambles

(my sprite will no longer be used)

No reason to run Pvern without Boomburst

[odd kiln]

sorry i forgot you werent in pokeathlon server

[vivid junco]

You have to be in the pokeathlon discord

[pure breach]

You don’t have to, Conja should have definitely kept track of votes

Like a good tier leader

[odd kiln]

yeah that was my bad

[unborn pine]

Definitely didn't use Hyper Voice Poryvern today

[hexed umbra]

I love using marginally stronger moonblast

[tiny wadi]

LMAO

[next iron]

Man I’m dying

[mossy violet]

dont

[shut shard]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=muunjah-rudihrtd-1710302411153 switcheroo was on point

[undone surge]

is there a list of basically every pokemon change in IF (eg. gengar getting levitate, garchomp gets dd, etc.)

like an entire list of every change

i need it for a cool project im doing on IF

[cedar mortar]

Do you mean showdown IF or just regular IF? I’m sure that everything for the latter is in announcements but for the former your best bet is more than likely searching up key words in this chat or team building to get an idea on when moves or abilities were banned

[undone surge]

regular IF idk where to look for it lol

its for a project im gonna do on showdown

idk why i asked here

bad habit

should've asked in gen chat

[cedar mortar]

All good it happens that’d more than likely be in the regular announcements if anything though. Maybe the people who frequent the normal general could help you out better, best of luck!

[dull plaza]

If there was a list of every change IF did showdown would’ve had all of the changes already. But there isn’t.

I don’t know if the gems are 50% like in Gen 5 or they’re 30% like later gens

Like I bet know one knew the exact IV combos for HP until I made it

[shut shard]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=rudihrtd-hhshahah-1710382144004 togeking

[shell harness]

Anyone wanna fight uh

National dex

Real

[unborn pine]

do mega evolves work here?

or does it have to be the head?

[feral anchor]

If mega is body it starts as mega, and you have to hold the item
The body cannot mega mid battle
If its head you have to mega mid battle and you have to hold the item
The head cant start as mega

[tiny wadi]

What is this channel?

[sturdy cradle]

Competitive fusion battling

[tiny wadi]

How do I battle someone?

[sturdy cradle]

join the competitive server in the pins

there is a link

[bleak turtle]

I played sawsbuck in OU in a sun offense with torkoal and other mons, people never think of its talents and generally think it’s a troll so they set up or switch on it so it’s a 6-0 (fire tera type with swords dance, tera blast and horn leech to heal and a ground move, wearing a life orb)

[river acorn]

Hi I know this is a fusion only showdown channel but is anyone here good at making good singles teams?I got some questions

I would really appreciate some help

[odd kiln]

i can help

[river acorn]

The rules for the tournament I am going to be in is this

APRIL 6TH Participants are not allowed to change their team during the tournament. The following Smogon Clauses apply: Species Clause, Endless Battle Clause, Sleep Clause, Evasion Clause, OHKO Clause, Dynamax Clause Banned Pokémon: Every Legendary & Mythical Pokémon ultra beast, and paradox. Disallowed Abilities: Arena Trap, Sand Veil, Shadow Tag, Snow Cloak, Moody Disallowed Items: All items Disallowed Moves: Batton Pass, Circle Throw, Dragon Tail, Last Respects, Roar, Whirlwind only one Pseudo-legendary Pokémon no mono nor dos no switching

[odd kiln]

wtf

why is arena trap banned if no switching anyway

[river acorn]

I need some suggestions on what I should run

[river acorn]

Yeah we don't know either

[odd kiln]

is uturn allowed

[river acorn]

Yes

[odd kiln]

wacky

use uh

snorlax gliscor cause they cant phase it

[river acorn]

As in they can't hurt them?

[odd kiln]

phaze, to force out

with like dragon tail and stuff

[river acorn]

Dragon tail is banned

[odd kiln]

thats why i said they cant do it

[river acorn]

Ooh I see

Any certain build of them?

I gotta say the main threat to me the guy who is the best in our server is going to use parting shot somehow to win

[odd kiln]

facade koff sd roost

if no switching then perish song uturn sounds broken lol

or salt cure

[river acorn]

Sadly most people will use uturn

[odd kiln]

use protect disable

or imprison uturn

[river acorn]

Oooh

Rn I got one member my self too

Acrobatics infernape

[odd kiln]

is it flying

wait is this fusions

[river acorn]

No

It's normals

[odd kiln]

i just assumed fusions cause its in the fusion server

[river acorn]

Yeah that's why I said singles

I should have explained more

[odd kiln]

but fusions is singles

well the main meta is

[river acorn]

Oh I didn't know

[river acorn]

Sooo can you help me with this?

[odd kiln]

not very well

im not v experienced with ndex especially with such restrictions

[river acorn]

Thanks for your time anyways

[sturdy cradle]

take a Gen 8 NatDex team at this point

you probably can't go wrong with Gholdengo/Kingambit/Glimm/H-Samurott Offense

just like how it is in reg OU

especially with no items?

no boots

[tribal trellis]

Gen 9 u mean?

[sturdy cradle]

hell no

read the restrictions

that's like 90% of the good Gen 9 mons gone

take the Gen 8 team as a base and slap the 4 busted mons above

[tribal trellis]

Yea i didnt read shit but you said mons from gen 9

Does it work

[sturdy cradle]

yeah you still get to use Megas

and Z-Moves

[tribal trellis]

Ye i just saw

Kinda weird

[sturdy cradle]

nvm no items

L

just H-Samurott and Ceaseless Edge with no Boots

[tribal trellis]

Yea no items

[sturdy cradle]

Ghold in the back to block Defog and Spin

Gambit as the last mon

and 3 U-Turners ig

[tribal trellis]

Ye its just the lowest powerlevel tourney lol

[willow moat]

I’m active in some discord servers that use Pokemon Showdown to make immersive Pokemon RPs.

Do you know any that use the Infinite Fusion showdown servers?

[tiny wadi]

that sounds interesting!
sadly idk any

[cedar mortar]

yeah didn’t even know people did that with pokemon, but should have expected it

if i find any and remember where to look i'll give you a shout

[cyan rock]

wsg

[cedar mortar]

Gaming

[next iron]

Paradox beasts r funny

[green light]

wait how do i play infinite fusion showdown

oh

[stone heath]

Their a showdown feature how did I now learn about this

[pure breach]

the real question is how did you learn about this

[cedar mortar]

[mortal mica]

can we do this on regular showdown

[cedar mortar]

Not to my knowledge no

[hushed plaza]

is there a way to Export my Team from the game and import it to Showdown?

or do i have to do the EV IV and everything manually?

[dull plaza]

You just set EVs and IVs in The teambuilder. You don’t train them like in game

[dull plaza]

No

[fast elm]

actually if you wouldn't mind exporting your team from the game and sending the text here/dming it to me so I could possibly add this as a feature?

I thought of it a long time ago but never got my hands on a game paste

[astral yacht]

hi guys

is this like pkm showdown but if mons instead?

[fast elm]

yep!

[astral yacht]

i see there is gen 7 if, is that just gen 7 mons with if mons too

[fast elm]

its should be the same as the in-game dex

so whatever exists in the actual game

[astral yacht]

ive been searching for match for 5 mins now

[astral yacht]

okay

[fast elm]

this is a quiet time of day

will be more active in a couple hours

feel free to ask in the website chat for a match

[astral yacht]

i cant

ive just started my acc

says i need to be registerd for a week and winning a gaim

what does ou and ag stand for

and im not talking about elements

[fast elm]

overused and anything goes

ou has rules to try and balance the gameplay, ag has no rules

[astral yacht]

ill go with ou

[astral yacht]

bru

first match in ages and bro foreits

[mossy violet]

lol changing their name

[wispy stump]

hes, does anyone know why pokeathlon wont run on my PC?

It works on my phone, but not on the computer

[tiny wadi]

dang my saves didnt copy 😦

[pure breach]

Could you describe the issue further? Does the page fail to load entirely, or do you get an error upon joining ?

[wispy stump]

well, it didn´t connect, but i think i just used an old link from my tool bar

i just tried to get to showdown throoough the wiki and it works now, so i guess that was the reaseon

[pure breach]

Ah

Might have been http vs https

I’m glad you were able to connect in the end

[dusky steeple]

@odd kiln Also is the game still being shapped around gliscor?

[odd kiln]

snorcor is v good still

[cedar mortar]

i think people have learned how to handle it a lot better now so i wouldnt say that, but its still a strong pick for sure

[dusky steeple]

This guy?

[dusky steeple]

Don't know if the set is correct

I saw a sub+curse one

[cedar mortar]

That looks like how early meta snorcor was played

I haven’t messed around with the meta pics much but I think what you have is the standard idea except I’m pretty certain it ran roost on that set (over earthquake iirc since it isn’t stab but not sure if that’s correct)

[mighty knot]

Dunscy would it be possible to have an IF Free For All ge 7 ? (because the gen 9 if free for all isn't reall great because some ability like #1218923667975835791 are wrong

[rough timber]

this game need online pvp and trade

[dull plaza]

It’s not wrong it’s because it’s Gen 9 FFA. Gen 9 versions don’t have IF changes

[mighty knot]

yeah but if you want to play FFA with the actual things in IF, it's wrong

[dull plaza]

If you want IF changes then there has to be a Gen 7/IF Dex one

[mighty knot]

there's no FFA gen 7 IF

[dull plaza]

If there was one, that would be where IF changes would be, not the natdex Gen 9 one

[mighty knot]

that's why i'm asking :

[dull plaza]

I know that, I was correcting you on the part where you said the Gen 9 one was wrong

[mighty knot]

it's "wrong" in the sense that what you expect from the game isn't the thing you get

that's what i meant

[dull plaza]

It’s natdex, not IF dex. There are plenty of Pokémon there not in IF

Natdex singles also follows this rule from IF Dex

[mighty knot]

again, it's not 1v1, it's for the 1v1v1v1

[dull plaza]

The 1v1v1v1 is Gen 9. Look at [Gen 9] prefix next to it when you select it for battle/teambuilder

[mighty knot]

that's why i'm asking for a GEN 7 version

please

make an effort

[dull plaza]

The Gen 9 current FFA is not bugged

Stop saying it’s bugged

[mighty knot]

I never said it was bugged

[cedar mortar]

Man, this was the biggest “YOU HAVE UNOO!” Moment I’ve seen in recent memory

[dull plaza]

You’re literally saying The current FFA is wrong here

[mighty knot]

saying is wrong =!= saying it's bugged

[dull plaza]

It’s not wrong! Current FFA is correct

[mighty knot]

I give up, i have more important things to do than to talk to a wall

[dull plaza]

Me too as you clearly don’t even know what you’ve even been saying

[cedar mortar]

To me it just looks like crab wants a nat dex gen 7 IF FFA tbh

[dull plaza]

Yeah. But he’s also saying that the Gen 9 FFA should also have IF Changes

[mighty knot]

NO

[dull plaza]

I clearly know you want a new Gen 7 FFA

So it would have the IF changes

Also when he says he’s not saying that their wrong but he did say it

[cedar mortar]

Ah wait yeah he’s actually got a point crab. In your parentheses “(because the gen 9 if free for all isn’t reall great because some ability like [some thread I cba to find] are wrong)”

[mighty knot]

i already explained

-_-

[dull plaza]

Again that tier is natdex Gen 9

[cedar mortar]

Unless you meant some abilities that are in that format are wrong and assigned from IF are in that format?

I’m unsure what else you could mean, can you explain further?

[mighty knot]

it's not wrong in "it's wrong because it's bugged" but it's "wrong" because it's not like in IF

third time saying it

anyways

i'm going back to work

[cedar mortar]

Then I’m still at a loss on what you mean by that because that implies that you mean “wrong” as in “since it’s an IF showdown server it should have the IF abilities in gen 9 format” to me

[rapid ravine]

random battles infninte fusion

oh

[odd kiln]

only runs one of koff/eq, the other slot is roost and it typically runs max bulk rather than max atk

[odd kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-pacman-speechbubble-above-gif-26156649

[sturdy cradle]

I read through all this bullshit and my take is the mod sounds entitled for saying its wrong and asking busy coder to make the in game equivalent for him when there hasn't been anyone else demanding for the format, and Soup is dumb af for making it seem he's saying its bugged

this suggestion should've been in the other discord

yall can beef there freely

and ppl can vote for Gen 7 FFA

[cedar mortar]

Honestly idk if there’s a dedicated place to ask for stuff for the showdown server is there?

There’s the support and bug report thread but I always viewed that as “hey x thing isn’t working right”

Getting a format suggestion thread would be cool imo but the discord is pretty large as is in terms of how much is going on so I could definitely see why it hasn’t been made yet

[sturdy cradle]

the competitive side server has a suggestions box which the coders look at a lot more

[cedar mortar]

Oh nice is that in announcements somewhere? I haven’t heard or seen it tbf though I just kinda skimmed through the announcements channel so I definitely could’ve missed it

[tribal trellis]

You can find the dicord quite easily on showdown idk if there was an announcment

[cedar mortar]

Ohhh that would make sense. I thought that link sent back to this server I won’t lie joining it now then

[dull plaza]

#showdown-general message

[cedar mortar]

Thanks!

[dusky steeple]

Makes sense runing roost for the extra recovery. Do I swap Knock Off with smt? I use it to deal with ghost and try to shut down other gliscors

[dull plaza]

Swap eq for Roost

[cedar mortar]

Nah knock out is fine there. there was someone who also was talking about it’s ev spread having to be more fit for a bulky set id listen to what he said, since you have swords dance and a lot of recovery you can wall out stuff that doesn’t do big enough damage to it

[hexed umbra]

Meloetta appears to stay in either form outside of battle, which means we finally have a viable fighting type (probably)

[dull plaza]

New mons!!

[hasty bison]

Infernape wasn't horrible but Meloetta is a HUGE upgrade
They'll likely get banned though considering the fact that it's the sixth fastest pokemon in IF outside of ubers and with a much higher attack stat to boot

[odd kiln]

i dont see it as bannable yet

[analog thunder]

what does uber mean and why is it banned?

[cedar mortar]

Ubers is the tier above OU and is normally just the tier for legendaries/pokemon that are deemed too strong for the format that OU plays on

[analog thunder]

no fun 😦

[hexed umbra]

Infernape was never that good, it was always slightly too weak, slightly too slow, too frail

[analog thunder]

is there a mode w/o restrictions for casual play?

[odd kiln]

ag

[hexed umbra]

I just realised I havent updated my team since the boomburst ban

[next iron]

Ik this ain’t the if showdown but this guy’s stall team got denied https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2091400542

[true sable]

j play IF randoms

no restrictions in that mode im pretty sure

[ember nova]

Shout outs to Infinite Fusion Azurill for actually being scary when fused with Dragonite.

It was crazy how strong they were before the huge power ban.

[unborn pine]

Hold on
Meloetta pirouette is actually really good as a fighting type

[hexed umbra]

Yeah, CC/U-Turn/Knock/Trick is a fantastic movepool and it has great stats

[fast elm]

it might not have all of those moves forever

it currently just has its gen 7 learnset but the in game learnsets are a bit different and I haven't gotten access to them yet

[hard basin]

Why do normal/flying types never retain normal type when fused?

I wanted normal stab on a dodrio fusion but it's apparently impossible with every normal/flying type?

Like, this is just silly. It's a plain flying type either way you fuse them.

[fast elm]

thats how the types work in game sry

[pseudo shuttle]

i wanna test my doubles AG team anyone up?

[hard basin]

Yeah it's all good, I know it's based off the game I'm just complaining to feel better

[sturdy cradle]

it's the first viable Fighting type that's used as a fighting type in OU

the bar is so high for the type

only Breloom really managed

[unborn pine]

infernape could do things i think, but it didnt really have enough speed or power or bulk

[pseudo shuttle]

shuckle is always an answer

[unborn pine]

how

it has super effective moves for both bug and rock

[pseudo shuttle]

we talking about with fusions or without?

[lost galleon]

I found Infernape useful. Fast enough, and STAB close combat with a very, very wide movepool excuseth a slightly lower attack stat.

[odd kiln]

infernape mid af the low offenses are too crippling

plus bad abilities

[ruby current]

Normal/Flying is the 1 exception to that rule iirc

Can't get pure flying under any circumstances, Noivern and Noibat won't do it either

[lavish maple]

@tiny wadi here is a great place to talk about it

[pseudo shuttle]

I can't talk in showdown chat because:

but i already won a bunch of battles started through Battle button

[worldly oracle]

I think you need to be registered for a week? I'm having the same thing as you so...

[pseudo shuttle]

so i need both registered for a week and have won a battle?

oh yes nvm thats what it says in the chat well forget i asked

thank you

i just realy wanted to test my ag doubles team and can't chat so its slightly annoying

[fast elm]

play a game on regular showdown https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/

[pseudo shuttle]

did that too

[ashen stone]

Working on my first core team, haxorus/klingklang is sort of a flex slot and the 6th spot is open. Any suggestions would be welcome. Volcatula has compound eyes, Azumawak has huge power, Brecott has prankster, Abinja has wonderguard, Haxklang has mold breaker

Trying to be legendary-free if possible

[odd kiln]

i mean if its ingame thats probably fine

[ashen stone]

I'd like to use it in showdown once I have the team ironed out

[odd kiln]

wouldnt work in ag cause stat difference

[ashen stone]

ag?

[odd kiln]

anything goes format

the regular format has thick club huge power and wonder guard banned

[ashen stone]

Ahh makes sense

[odd kiln]

and volcarona

[ashen stone]

Volcarona banned too?

[odd kiln]

yeah cause qd is op

[ashen stone]

Is the banned list posted anywhere?

[odd kiln]

if you go to the site and type /tier ifdexou you can see the banlist

idk if its posted here though

[ashen stone]

much obliged

[odd kiln]

np

[cerulean fulcrum]

yo where can I find the link?

[pure breach]

The link is in this channels description - https://play.pokeathlon.com/

[tired coral]

is no one playing rn or smth?

[tired coral]

bruh I've been queued for 15mins 💀

[pseudo shuttle]

depends a lot on the game mode you are playing

[torn elk]

nobody's on IF Free-For-All but maybe that's a blessing in disguise for me 💀

[oak spruce]

I actually found a salty showdown player…i didn’t think they were real💀

[torn elk]

L m a o

I remember I made a guy quit because I had a Smeargle sleep stall-shell break-stored power combo
and they only had a single Dragonite

Which is understandable and I'm not mocking them for it but also it was funny to me as the first battle I did

[oak spruce]

Also I beat an expanding force spam trick room team on 1hp. You can’t imagine how shocked I was when I actually won

[odd kiln]

they were at 1 hp whys that shocking

[pseudo shuttle]

it was 1 HP on the winner side

probably

[oak spruce]

I beat one of the most annoying and unbeatable stats in Pokémon on 1hp. If you don’t find that shocking then I don’t know what you find shocking

[odd kiln]

bc the team you were playing was at 1 hp just hit them

[pseudo shuttle]

what you wrote is missunderstandable but what you mean is your pokemon was on 1hp against the "one of the most annoying and unbeatable" strat right?

[oak spruce]

Yea

Sorry for making it difficult to read

[fast skiff]

random question and idk if this is the right place to ask, but how does pokeathlon work? like is it a mod of showdown or its own seperate thing

bc i wanna make a showdown thing with added beta/unused pokemon but idk how to do that

[pure breach]

Pokeathlon is a showdown side server, we use Pokemon Showdown as a base, but we are not related to them, nor will you be able to find our formats on the official Showdown page.

If you want to make your own showdown side server, I suggest you join the Showdown coding Discord, there's a lot of experienced people there who can help

[steep stump]

:OOO

[knotty torrent]

How does perish song work in FFA battles? If everyone has 1 mon, does it fail?

[dull plaza]

Perish Song works the same way it does in every mode

If there’s more then one Mon alive at the end of Perish Count, slowest Mon wins

As they technically died last

[knotty torrent]

Gotcha, so it would still kill everything tho?

[dull plaza]

Ye

[hexed umbra]

Is there any way to view the usage stats for IF Dex OU?

[fast skiff]

hmm okay, i'll look into that thanks

[pseudo shuttle]

soundproof a move that doesn't let you escape and perish song

[hearty sonnet]

Hi all! So probably a niche question but my buddies and I are doing a gen 9 nat dex fusion draft league on pokeathlon, and obviously the newer gen mons don't have custom sprites. If I were to create said sprites for those newer mons is there a process to get them onto the pokeathlon server? Is that a here question or a question in the discord for pokeathlon? Thanks in advance!🫡

[fast elm]

unfortunately that is not a possiblility at the moment so that spriters can focus on finishing fusions for mons that are in the game dex

[hearty sonnet]

Thanks!

[woven scarab]

First post down here in the showdown lands, i checked around and saw some modded fakemon, does anyone have a good tutorial on how to do that so i can add some myself?

[fast elm]

if you wanna create your own site i recommend joining the showdown coding discord, if you want to add fakemon to our site then you can submit your ideas to our monthly contests on the pokeathlon discord :)

[woven scarab]

Theres different sites? Whelp, guess im joining the showdown discord then to learn about my options

Thanks!

Im back to ask...how do i get there?

[fast elm]

i'll dm if thats alr

[lapis sequoia]

I would also like to know if possible!

[undone surge]

the dev server is linked in the showdown, the news thing

[cedar mortar]

https://youtu.be/e--xQTnlYlY?si=ZZdspklBqA9OJVyQ anyone that’s better than I am have thoughts on this vid? Seems like a solid guide on ev spreading and having an understanding of how to focus your evs seems especially important in a pif format

[hexed umbra]

PIF somehow did the impossible and removed speed tiers

[odd kiln]

not really

if anything a lot of speed tiers have been standardized

you have 70, 73, 76, 80, 83, 86, 90, etc

[hexed umbra]

The only pokemon common enough to have dedicated speed tiers are Snorcor and Hydremega imo, everything else has too much variation

[sturdy cradle]

most fastest mons on a team are between 335-368

Electrode fusions you don't bother outspeeding and dedicate a Special wall

or priority

[hexed umbra]

Electrode kinda sucks, every special wall, well, walls it and its movepool is just Tbolt + volt switch

I use an assault vest water/steel and it took nothing from reuniclus/ electrode tbolt

I havent seen any since Boom ban, because low ladder was using it as a boomburst switchin lmao

[cedar mortar]

ik people have used alakazam/electrode mind blown for a little after alakazam was placed in OU but that’s the only relevant electrode user I can think of

[quaint turret]

I have it in my draft league and it works very well with my nidoking in that meta, but its not ladder material imo

[timid wolf]

Where do I download the infinite fusion showdown or play it

Never mind

I found it

[minor saddle]

What

[cedar mortar]

I don’t even know where to begin with that rage why is this in the showdown chat?

[placid hornet]

you mad

[minor saddle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1104536496188440746.webp?size=48

[cedar mortar]

He left the server so they sadly can’t see replies otherwise I’d poke the bear a little

[placid hornet]

i know

i really dont wanna delete the messages coz i think they are incredibly funny coz how mad he is but i guess i have to

screenshot

[autumn magnet]

All I told him to do was create a #game-suggestions for what he was asking for and that was his response

[minor saddle]

Lol

[autumn magnet]

Since he created a bug-report for it. That is wild

[cedar mortar]

That feels like an “unfortunate doesn’t even begin to describe my series” type of rage post

Homie straight up just decided to rage in an unrelated part of the server about a mod though? that’s straight up just wild to me lmao

[autumn magnet]

I just came back from an amusement park. I wasn't expecting to get on another roller coaster so soon 😅

[cedar mortar]

Man I need a wacky ride myself. That’ll have to wait for tomorrow though ig

[placid hornet]

thats a terrible joke

[autumn magnet]

yeah I regret it 😅

[deep ridge]

anyone wanna random battle in infinite fusion

showdown

[fast elm]

what happened?

[cedar mortar]

Someone got babyrage mad at 2 people for not being able to help them with a mod or something I think? It was just really funny and out of place since it was in here out of all places that they decided to rage as well

[fast elm]

just saw the message in staff chat yeah

thankfully not about me !

[cedar mortar]

Nah yeah honestly it just makes the message that much funnier imo

Wasn’t even about showdown either they came here for some reason to complain about it then leave the server lmao

[obtuse shoal]

So is showdown in this game different from normal?

Like since you can make dual types easily it ends up with a lot of neglected types no?

[obtuse shoal]

Also aren't there pokemon that are worse when fused?
I can't see how you can improve skarmory

[odd kiln]

registeel-skarmory

[obtuse shoal]

point taken
just a slightly bulkier registeel

[odd kiln]

wouldnt you call it a bulkier skarmory

[obtuse shoal]

and then there's also pokemon like gliscor
it's amazing at what it does
You can try to improve it, but you just end up with variations, like ground water or ground steel

[obtuse shoal]

you're right, I had a brain fart

[odd kiln]

rhyperior gliscor is gliscor 2

idk where you going with ground steel gliscor

[obtuse shoal]

ground steel is a good typing

but yeah, poison heal

maybe ground steel landorus

so does the meta have any centralizing pokemon or is it just complete chaos where you never know what to expect

[odd kiln]

every meta centralizes

[obtuse shoal]

ok I'm trying random battles

and venomoth is strong

it has quiver dance, tinted lens, and can change from bug to dark, and even has roost

[median thunder]

is there a way to figure out how heavy a pokemon is

[obtuse shoal]

I'm now imagining how annoying tangrowth suicune fusion would be

weezing is also an interesting pokemon
poison type without a ground weakness

[dull plaza]

Gengar is also a poison type without a ground weakness

[obtuse shoal]

I think for fusion purposes it's only a ghost

[obtuse shoal]

oh it isn't

surprising

[dull plaza]

The only Pokemon that will always give 1 of their types in fusion are normal/flying types

Everything else can give either of their typings

[obtuse shoal]

i think they changed it in previous versions

[dull plaza]

No that was an older version thing

[obtuse shoal]

yeah

and gyarados was always water

[dull plaza]

And now it can be either

[dull plaza]

https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/302153478556352513 , not here
This channel is for the showdown server

[jagged pagoda]

oops. thought i was back on general channel

[jagged pagoda]

my bad friendo

[obtuse shoal]

i think it's funny that the more time I spend making this team the worse it is

[obtuse shoal]

suicune with calm mind tangrowth is so good

[obtuse shoal]

btw i think thousand arrows is bugged

I'm hitting an electric flying and it's not super effective

[odd kiln]

it hits neutral the first time and se the second

[obtuse shoal]

it hits neutral against any flying

levitate it hits super effective

[odd kiln]

can you provide a replay

[obtuse shoal]

ok I'll save it next time it happens

[cedar mortar]

Snorlax gliscor is actually really good on singles ladder

[obtuse shoal]

interesting, I'm using a thousand waves gliscor rn

thanks to sandslash

[hexed umbra]

Snorlax/Gliscor is really good

[obtuse shoal]

very well then

omg just finished an 80 turn battle

[cedar mortar]

You got the replay?

[obtuse shoal]

it was my suicune tangrowth fusion against my opponent's whole team

[obtuse shoal]

sorry, just left the match

and didn't save...

[cedar mortar]

[obtuse shoal]

is it normal to save game like that all the time?

[cedar mortar]

Nah I just have been wanting to watch replays lol

It’s interesting to see what teams players come up with

[obtuse shoal]

my mvps is my suicune tangrowth fusion

grass water is an amazing combo, I gave it calm mind, leech seed, scald and giga drain, and it has regenerator

if it stays it can set up with leech seed and calm mind
if it's phased out it has regenerator

[hexed umbra]

I used to use a similar set, with knock over giga drain

I changed it because it was too status weak

[obtuse shoal]

damn I got to worry about that now?

[cedar mortar]

It can get hit by statuses yeah

[obtuse shoal]

i mean, it's good if it's burned

but paralysis and sleep can cost games

[cedar mortar]

What item does it run?

[obtuse shoal]

leftovers

[cedar mortar]

Do you have your teams pastebin?

[obtuse shoal]

https://pastebin.com/kGjNTwJd
Here you go

my hydreigon tentacruel fusion also does some work

since it's a pokemon with no weaknesses

[cedar mortar]

Yeah seems really tanky

[obtuse shoal]

88/73/100

With muk instead it's
96/80/93

might be even tankier that way

I'm also using an entei/probopass to go against the steel fairies

magnet pull has done some damage

[cedar mortar]

The trapability is crazy though yeah

[obtuse shoal]

it dies to a sand tomb though

[cedar mortar]

Yeah it just kinda be like that some times

[obtuse shoal]

yeah, since there's no steel fire with levitate

then there's registeel clefable
iron defense, calm mind and softboiled

Registeel and probopass have very similar stats

And it's unaware, not magic guard

[cedar mortar]

Ahhh that helps it a lot more for sure

[obtuse shoal]

There's just so much set up

Everyone needs an anti sweep mechanism

I saw some innards out wobbuffet

I was in a calm mind war with another person, but they didn't know I was unaware

And the turn I was about to attack they changed into it

Well played honestly

[cedar mortar]

That’s honestly just a funny interaction lmao

[obtuse shoal]

I also played against a guy who used a machamp duoblade fusion really well

But honestly I never had the same success

I just started playing today but I've met some weird teams already

There was a shuckle snorlax with whirlwind and hazards, supported by a wish passing murkrow, and a parting shot umbreon aegislash

My saving grace there was having nasty plot in my hydreigon
It was the only way I could set up without being interrupted

Another brought a rain team
With a specs chandelure omastar, it was truly unwallable

In that game, it was my suigrowth against everyone
And suigrowth won

[obtuse shoal]

What about substitute

[hexed umbra]

Too slow and 4mss

There are better cm wincons and better defensive pivots, separately

[obtuse shoal]

ok just fought against an entei shuckle, with contrary vcreate

[obtuse shoal]

can you give me some ideas?

[obtuse shoal]

it's weird that doublade has spectral thief

but aegislash doesn't

[hexed umbra]

Aegislash does, it just needs to be fused

Clefable/Suicune is a pretty good better crocune

[obtuse shoal]

well my plan here was to make a good grass type
And I thought water grass was the best grass combo

[hexed umbra]

Grass/Steel is better

[obtuse shoal]

so something like celebi and registeel

I think celebi has quiver dance too

[hexed umbra]

The best grass type is Tangrowth because regenerator (Ferrothorn always passes steel), regenerator is insane

Clefable/Registeel is a great wincon too, CM + Iron Defense with Unaware is hard to break once setup

[obtuse shoal]

a match ago I baited a guy into a swords dance/iron defense war
When he attacked and noticed his pokemon weren't doing enough damage he...

tried again with other ones xD

he tried dragon dancing and he tried stockpiling xD

and I was like x3 defense and 2.5x spatk and spdef

[hexed umbra]

Unaware?

[obtuse shoal]

yup

I'm using clef registeel

[hexed umbra]

I use Pyukumuku/Steelix with max def and unaware to wall most dragon dancers

[obtuse shoal]

in my case I needed something that walls special

but rn if another entei/shuckle combo appeared in front of me I'd... switch to my duoblade/hitmonchan fusion

with spectral thief and drain punch

[hexed umbra]

Running an Assault vest regenerator mon is great for pivoting into special attacks

[obtuse shoal]

I think toxapex is the best at that

[hexed umbra]

100% agreed, I use Registeel/Toxapex but you can honestly use about 50 different pokemon with pex

[obtuse shoal]

yeah that sounds op

is there a species clause?

[hexed umbra]

Yes

[obtuse shoal]

ok

btw thoughts on grass fire pokemon

it's only weak to poison, flying and rock

[hexed umbra]

If its not Leafeon/Entei, not that good. Defensive mons weak to rock have to be great to be worth it

Doesnt have that many good resistances

[obtuse shoal]

good point

I forgot how annoying rocks can be

[obtuse shoal]

and I just won a game using one pokemon

that clef registeel unaware combo is insane

they start to set up alongside you and then they realize too late it's not doing enough damage

Thoughts on flying types?

Immune to earthquake, and they give roost

But the best move they have in If dex is aerial ace, brave bird, air slash and hurricane

So weak, recoil, ok, or inaccurate

[obtuse shoal]

And they make you weaker to stealth rock
But immune to spikes and sticky web

[obtuse shoal]

thoughts on hydreigon venomoth?

[cedar mortar]

Personally prefer using this thing over venomoth

[obtuse shoal]

the fun with venomoth is that it has no weaknesses :)

[cedar mortar]

Yeah but this thing can abuse it’s tankiness a lot easier than venomoth can since it has room for protect

I see the appeal in mothman though for sure

[obtuse shoal]

I'm using tentacruel rn

it doesn't have quiver dance
but it gives almost 100 base speed, with venusaur like bulk

[hexed umbra]

Hydreigon/Yanmega gets obliviom wing

[obtuse shoal]

ok that's amazing

but I mean, is that good on hydreigon?

hydreigon best thing is that it's a dark type with levitate

[hexed umbra]

You run QD, Oblivion Wing, Sub and 1 other move of your choice (usually earth power/dark pulse/roost)

All Dark/flying fusions get oblivion wing

[obtuse shoal]

wait so hydreigon togekiss gets it too?

and it's not from yanmega

@cedar mortar btw I have a replay for you about my team

if you want

[cedar mortar]

[obtuse shoal]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=oddpolygon-illusion911-1712578516883

[obtuse shoal]

(I'm illusion911)

[obtuse shoal]

So how do I stop phasing

[odd kiln]

why would you have a problem with that

maybe if you were a baton pass team

[obtuse shoal]

There was this bulky milotic with whirlwind that I just couldn't get past

It was water flying
My electric type was dead and my I don't have a rock type

[odd kiln]

what milotic

[obtuse shoal]

Might have been milotic with skarmory

Good thing there was that it had no flying moves so my tangrowth could always come back

[odd kiln]

i dont see why whirlwind would pose a threat unless you have no hazard control

[obtuse shoal]

Actually I have no hazard control

My hazard control is recovery and regenerator

[odd kiln]

thats not hazard control

you want hazard control

[obtuse shoal]

I guess

Normally I just stack healing and set up and that's it

[pure breach]

In a meta with no HDB you generally want hazard control, otherwise your pivoting options take too much damage to be reliable, and if you rely on recovery moves to gain what you lost from switching in, your momentum sort of dies there

[obtuse shoal]

I think I see what you mean

So what kind of options are there

So do I need hazard stacking, removal and to block the opponents hazard removal too?

[odd kiln]

hazard removal > hazard stack > spinblocking

is your priority list

[obtuse shoal]

cool thing about national dex is that it has bronzong, which is a steel type with levitate

it opens up the possibility for a lot of mixes

[obtuse shoal]

Like a steel fire
Or a steel electric
Or a steel poison
Or just any steel without a ground weakness

[low basalt]

wait i know this is really late i was just looking through this i think i just fought you tho

i was using a cloyster toxapex

[cedar mortar]

Nah that wasn’t me I’m at work and can’t play atm lol

[low basalt]

ahh ok

[obtuse shoal]

what's a good fusion for rocky helmet ferrothorn

[low basalt]

are you wanting to keep iron barbs

[low basalt]

if youre not worried about it being too passive shuckle looks goood

[obtuse shoal]

yes

[obtuse shoal]

shuckle doesn't have much recovery though right

[low basalt]

With how low the hp is leech seed should heal quite a bit I'd imagine

[obtuse shoal]

good point

I was thinking on using corviknight

[low basalt]

Oh are you doing natdex

[obtuse shoal]

yes actually

well, I am making a team for dex and one for natdex

[low basalt]

Ohhh ok I was thinking just dex

Yeah there's a lot more options in natdex

[obtuse shoal]

I mean, I'm struggling to find a better mon than unaware registeel clefable

[low basalt]

Well I mean what do you want to do with it

What's the goal

[obtuse shoal]

well I have this bronzong arcanine mix I wanted to use

a steel fire that can levitate and recover

[low basalt]

So do you just want a bulky steel type?

[obtuse shoal]

I honestly don't know
there's so many choices I don't know where to begin

I might just come here once I get a better idea

[obtuse shoal]

i feel like there should be a channel here just for replays

[cedar mortar]

If there were a bunch of them coming in I would definitely see a case for making one in the future

[obtuse shoal]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=dirkjantettebar-illusion911-1712659584186

this one I played poorly

My opponent kept calling my moves

Yet, I won

the lesson here, is that even if you suck, you can still win if your pokemon are good enough

I really liked his skarmory tyranitar mix though
it's physical bulk + special bulk

[rigid dune]

I think I've made some slightly cursed sets I want to test them out, no idea how to create a good team with synergy I just know how to make good individual mons

I've kinda just done a balance of pokemon I really like and pokemon that are good

[obtuse shoal]

want to test them against me?

[rigid dune]

sure

[obtuse shoal]

ok what's your name on showdown

[rigid dune]

Regret298

[obtuse shoal]

dex ou right?

[humble kayak]

I don't think that's in IF. :thinking: Did you misspell something?

[rigid dune]

ye

ok my game is lying to my face I have the team for this

[obtuse shoal]

did you validate it

[rigid dune]

wait hold on I'm being stupid gimme a sec

[obtuse shoal]

hydreigon with tentacruel is pretty interesting
it's a pokemon with no weaknesses, it's pretty fast and kinda bulky, and can set up with nasty plot

but it can't improve its bulk much

it gets roost, so that's cool I guess

I really enjoyed this one
https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=lava303salt-illusion911-1712676128615
You get to see suigrowth's moveset paying dividends

it was also mismagius Z's debut
and it did a lot of damage

I think physical fire is interesting since you don't get burned

[obtuse shoal]

I thought I was clever for having a regenerator and an unaware pokemon
Well, the #4 in the leaderboard's running 3 regenerators and 2 unaware pokemon
I never stood a chance
https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=illusion911-thestalldisciple-1712699660008

[obtuse shoal]

I'm sad they don't give zapdos air slash

[cedar mortar]

Ngl that team made me wanna have a Mon with mummy in the back

[obtuse shoal]

well mummy wouldn't really stop the unawares

a bigger point is that I don't like to repeat abilities and items

he had 3 eviolites

and 1 pokemon with sticky hold specifically to absorb knock offs

but this mano just stacked them

Here's another replay of a battle I've lost
https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=ridiculouswhip-illusion911-1712707087190

Now this guy is smart

a lot of his team just straight up beats mine
he's got an entei haxorus, that counters clefable and it's just unswitchable
he's got a simple yanmega that just counters tangrowth
he's even got clefable with registeel, and it's unaware! that's in my experience the best fairy type in the game

[cedar mortar]

Wait doesn’t outrage stop when hitting a fairy type?

Thought that’s how that interaction worked?

[pure breach]

It’ll stop after it failed to hit the fairy

[obtuse shoal]

I think it's funny how people come here expecting dragon dances and tail glows
Meanwhile what we get:

Regenerators and eviolites galore

[mossy violet]

peak

[cedar mortar]

Time to find the most abhorant wall breakers in history

[hexed umbra]

Were Deoxys defense and/or speed ever tested in the tier?

[obtuse shoal]

It's why entei is so popular

[obtuse shoal]

Tbf the first thing I thought of when hearing about fusions was "Oh, I can give aggron recovery and a better typing"

So yeah, improving THE WALL

[hexed umbra]

Unfortunately Aggron is outclassed by Bastiodon who is outclassed by Registeel

[odd kiln]

dont those not exist in base game

[dull plaza]

Correct, only Deoxys Normal exists

The other 3 forms don’t exist

[cedar mortar]

This entire interaction has only solidified my belief that tiers above and below OU would be healthy for the metagame of gen 7 IF

[obtuse shoal]

They don't even stop people from spamming eviolite and regenerators

I mean
It seems like a lot of moderation for the current moderation capacity

[cedar mortar]

From what I heard they don’t want to spread the audience of who plays IF formats any further which imo is fair

[obtuse shoal]

Wym don't want to spread?

Oh

[cedar mortar]

There aren’t too many people that play if formats in general is what I mean

[obtuse shoal]

Yeah it's a good point
Showdown can feel pretty empty at times

Or you're just fighting the same people over and over

Which some times just makes me sad because my whole team abuses healing

[cedar mortar]

If it makes you feel any better from who I talked to if you spread the word of the website we can potentially get more people to play which gets enough people to justify more tiers

[hexed umbra]

I may be stupid

[obtuse shoal]

I actually talked to it to a friend of mine

He saw the stall fest and vowed to never touch it

[cedar mortar]

I’m not smart enough to figure it out, but I’m sure there’s an out to the stall spam

[hexed umbra]

Status immune setup mons

[obtuse shoal]

Because there's not enough gliscor in the tier

What about taunt 🤔

[hexed umbra]

Regen pivots can beat taunt

[cedar mortar]

Sheer force?

[obtuse shoal]

Not a bad idea

[cedar mortar]

i feel for sure something strong enough can break through regen walls

[hexed umbra]

Togekiss/Nidoking is pretty good

[obtuse shoal]

I saw some sylveon nidoking too

It's actually so strong

[cedar mortar]

As someone who spams nidoking sheer force abusers, togekiss/nidoking is by far the best nidoking abuser

[hexed umbra]

You kinda need setup for breaking through regen consistently, there are so many different regen mons

[cedar mortar]

I can’t say from experience but mummy definitely walls that idea out if you can make contact

[hexed umbra]

Does sheer force even activate Mummy on contact?

I know it ignores Emergency Exit

[cedar mortar]

If you’re using a physical sheer force user (aka feraligatr) then yeah

[hexed umbra]

Feraligatr isnt that common, there are so many Ddancers

[cedar mortar]

If you can find a better sheer force combo I do push the idea of finding it

[hexed umbra]

The best sheer force mons are special, so they can spam colourful coverage without prediction

[cedar mortar]

So nidoking

He comes with too much coverage to not be considered good

[hexed umbra]

Basically, yeah

I fought a bunch of Electride/Nidoking (maybe reverse) early on and they sucked, Togekiss/Nidoking was great though

Life Orb Alakazam does a similar thing

[cedar mortar]

Togekiss/nidoking is really good for a consistent breaker just because of typing

Alaking only is dangerous because of its stats but has no meaningful stab if you ask me

[hexed umbra]

Dont use Nidoking/Zam, that wastes one of their abiliies

[cedar mortar]

Hard agree

[hexed umbra]

Idk what the best zam fusions are though, Typhlosion seems alright on paper but i havent tried it

[cedar mortar]

Wait are you taking gen 9?

[hexed umbra]

No?

If dex OU

[cedar mortar]

So then whatchu mean by zam? I was thinking zamazenta when you mentioned that

[hexed umbra]

Alakazam

Zamazenta is zama

[cedar mortar]

Ohhh fair my fault lmao

[hexed umbra]

All good

[cedar mortar]

A bit drunk so my comprehension skills are a bit whack lmao

[hexed umbra]

I cant wait for all the starters to be added (eventually) so we get a really good Contrary mon

Scarf Serperior fusions will go insane

[cedar mortar]

If that’s ever a thing it’d be nice to have a more offensive contrary mon

[hexed umbra]

Serperior might even be banworthy imo, giving it actual coverage and a special attack stat above 100...

Serperior/[dragon type] spamming draco, with the abikity to flamethrower steels

[cedar mortar]

I figured giving nidoking a spec a above 100 would be stupid dangerous but from what I’ve seen it can get walled super easy without setup

[hexed umbra]

Serp can setup while attacking

Looking at the stats of Latios/Serperior (using natdex) 111 special attack, fsdter than every defensive mon and passable bulk with great coverage

[cedar mortar]

Btw, I do wanna apologize to whoever was in this replay. I’ve been playing on my phone so I didnt see you talking but I had a lot of fun playing you! https://sim.pokeathlon.com/replays/eightbeldums-bungalofury-1712842530757.html

[cedar mortar]

There are 2 contrary users that have seen use because of stellar type in gen 9 and from what I recall serperior was the worse of the 2 because it needed a little bit of snowballing

[cedar mortar]

Do feel free to try this though, and lemme know how it works for you!

[hexed umbra]

I meant for if/when Serperior arrives in IF dex

[flat cloud]

Moltres is fun with nidoking too

[empty wraith]

hey general showdowners

anyone wanna 1v1 gen 9? (I still need to builf)

[odd kiln]

contrary would instantly get banned

something like this would be terrible to beat

[hexed umbra]

Yeah that makes sense
Or just ban Serperior, Contrary Shuckle is fine (seriously dont use shuckle/entei) and it probably wont be another Azurill situation because that relied on priority

[cedar mortar]

I’d rather contrary just be banned at that point so at least serperior fans can use the Mon itself

Contrary would be the only reason why serperior would get banned in the first place imo and since shuckle’s the only other Mon in the dex that would get it and can’t even really use it I wouldn’t see a point in banning serperior

[mossy violet]

but would people use serperior without contrary?

[cedar mortar]

If you don’t you aren’t a real serperior fan

[mossy violet]

people using a mon regardless if its good or not

[odd kiln]

tbf itd be the best glare mon

[tiny wadi]

I have a question

How do stance change works in this case?

[cedar mortar]

Stats change but boosts don’t, so if you use iron defense then stance change, the boost won’t move to attack

EV’s go into your defense that you want to use for your attacking stat

[plain saddle]

Hey chat

[cedar mortar]

Sup chat?

[plain saddle]

https://pokepast.es/f88b4e3a9524fd2a

What yall think

I feel like

[cedar mortar]

Idk enough about gen 9’s format to give any input of value 💦

I can only assume this is a doubles team though?

[plain saddle]

Doubles/Vgc

I made it to work with both

[cedar mortar]

Ah gotcha. Personally I’m not too big on using intimidate in singles so I’d swap it with something else that allows you to go a lot more offensive and swap the power herb to light clay, not sure what it’s doing on a mon with no 2 turn moves

Does power herb work for a mon you control even if it isn’t holding it?

Ahhh wait nvm it’s for trick gotcha

[hexed umbra]

Thats a very high bar considering the other two are Arbok and Dunsparce

[royal cedar]

How do I play infinite fusion on showdown??

[odd kiln]

click link in description

[royal cedar]

Yea thanks I found it

Im so happy my first game of gen 7 randoms I absolutly swept this guy. I used tail glow and the psychic move that buffs ur speed by 2 and absolutly swept him he couldn’t do anything

[vernal spoke]

Do people here play random too? played showdown the first time today and just wonderd

[vernal spoke]

Is there a option that allows all possible pokemon?

[odd kiln]

ndag

[normal oyster]

Hey I was told to put this here
eviolite only has a 25% boost in this game as opposed to a 50%
(there's a lot of conflicting information for if it's always 25% or only when half of a fusion is fully evolved, but I can test that if necessary)

[cedar mortar]

Unless the way eviolite works was changed, I’m pretty sure it’s still 1.5x no matter what you use as one mon is nfe (sc was from the pokeathelon server btw)

[dull plaza]

We have actually tested this theory when doing Expert Mode and Eviolite is 50% as long as 1 Mon is NFE. The 25% thing is just a myth

Oh and this too

[fast blade]

It was never 1.25x that was just a myth that started and didn't die

[flint marsh]

trying this for the first time

doubles ou specifcally

[obtuse shoal]

So what's a good fusion for togekiss

It's already got such a good typing I have no idea what to do to make it better

[hexed umbra]

Togekiss/Nidoking is probably the best sheer force user

[empty wraith]

isnt this for pokemon showdown?

[obtuse shoal]

There's a showdown for fusions

[empty wraith]

wait really?

[obtuse shoal]

So go ahead and enjoy your tyranitar skarmory

Or Garchomp gyarados

[empty wraith]

what?

no

I am fusing swampert and gengar

[obtuse shoal]

Uhh
Sure

[empty wraith]

but where is this thing one may call online fusion showdown?

[hexed umbra]

Its the first thing pinned in this channel

[pure breach]

You can also find it in the channel description, or I can just put it here again https://play.pokeathlon.com

[vernal spoke]

Is there a league or so using all possible fusions on the showdown
Aka with insurgence mons

[pure breach]

Not yet that I know of

Insurgence is still quite new and we’re still bug fixing and adding the last few bits, so I wouldn’t encourage it either at the minute

[empty wraith]

you can fuse?

nvm found out myself

Stanlee

[fast blade]

Assuming it has shell smash in Ubers?

[hexed umbra]

I meant in OU, fairy/ground is an incredible offensive typing and it has really colourful coverage

[obtuse shoal]

speaking of offensive typing

has anyone tried kyurem nidoking yet

oh wait that's not ground ice

[fast blade]

Yeah but it's so slow

[hexed umbra]

Its a wallbreaker, not a revenge killer

[sturdy cradle]

it's one of the best ways to break open the prevalent stall/bulky teams

having it be slow and mostly deadweight in certain other matchups is the cost

at least you can make it a designated sack for those mus

[odd kiln]

its not frail either it can take at least 1 neutral unboosted hit if need be

fairy ground lends it to be able to switch into specs electrics/dragons

[unborn pine]

what moves does it use

i assume something like this
if you really want to hit alot of things
even if no ice beam

[odd kiln]

ice beam hits nothing

replace tbolt with plot

[sturdy cradle]

Fire Blast over Flamethrower

the extra BP really helps

[prisma tapir]

sorry i didnt realize there was a showdown channel, someone wanna help me test a pokemon?

[prisma tapir]

my broken thing will not work because endure sometime fails

if you want context go to #fusions

[dull plaza]

Endure’s chance of success decreases by 1/3 every consecutive time it is used or after being used consecutively after Protect or its clones

[undone surge]

btw that isnt broken its sounds super garbage lmao

[stoic heron]

hes fun to use

just enough bulk to live most things

[mighty knot]

why not guts ?

[hexed umbra]

I would replace Chip Away with Facade (also eviolite only works if its natdex, cant see the format)

[mighty knot]

also, it has nothing to hit ghost types

maybe adding knock off instead of throat chop will help

[arctic grove]

I'm experimenting with different teams for natdex ou
Opinions?

[mighty knot]

if it has access to dragon dance replace agility with it

because imo dragon dance > agility

[arctic grove]

true

nah it doesnt

[mighty knot]

[arctic grove]

pretty sure thats why i went booster instead of life orb

[mighty knot]

also, why tera fire and not tera steel ?

(because the tera crystal is mostly used for getting a good defense type instead of a stab)

[arctic grove]

grass and ice mons

extra stab and now resists

but yeah steel would probably be better

[odd kiln]

it doesnt matter cause tera is banned in ndou

theres no reason to use agility bc ur booster speed

[arctic grove]

its booster atk

[odd kiln]

oops i didnt read close enough

it should be booster spe

[arctic grove]

i mean its naturally fast already
agility is a just in case

[mighty knot]

booster always boost the highest stat

i think

[arctic grove]

yh

[mighty knot]

also, i'm thinking, but does recycle give back the focus sash ?

[odd kiln]

agility is much less useful than sd bc "just in case" applies much more to walls than fast attackers

[arctic grove]

Good point

[odd kiln]

weak stabs/coverage besides eq lends itself to unimpressive power

[arctic grove]

Alr ty

[prisma tapir]

I see

[odd kiln]

obv they wouldnt add something like that

[obtuse shoal]

so what's the idea with nat dex

i mean, what's the meta like

[obtuse shoal]

ok I tried nat dex ag

the meta is basically shedinja and regieleki

[odd kiln]

regieleki sucks

[obtuse shoal]

What?

It's the fastest pokemon in the tier
You give it to kyogre and it's suddenly the fastest water spout in the game

[odd kiln]

and it gets walled by shed

[obtuse shoal]

Or you give it to dracovish and now it kills everything

[odd kiln]

no it doesnt

shed beats it, dragons beat it, imp beats it

more situational pdon beats it

shed is unequivocally the best mon, then imp, then stuff like sabmega

eleki is like d tier

[obtuse shoal]

Imp?

[obtuse shoal]

Also what do you mean with sabmega

[odd kiln]

imposter

sableyemega

[obtuse shoal]

What's so special about sableye mega

[odd kiln]

invaluable asset to shed

works extremely well with giratina for specthief and knock

maybe sabmega is too specific bc hatterene is close in viability

[obtuse shoal]

Oh yeah wonder guard doesn't prevent status

Interesting
You can also bring a shadow tag with rocky helmet and taunt

[odd kiln]

why would you do that when you can use perish song instead

[obtuse shoal]

Because I'm really dumb when it comes to these things

And because my ag experience is battling this one guy who just spammed legendaries

[odd kiln]

idk what you expected

its ag

[obtuse shoal]

I didn't mind that he spammed legendaries
But he was just inexperienced overall

After seeing shedinja countered his team, he brought a shedinja counter, and used it turn 1, and fainted shortly after
And then shedinja swept the same way as before

[empty wraith]

I use stupid shit

[lavish quiver]

quick question

inner focus + focus punch

doesnt work, does it?

[odd kiln]

no

[sturdy cradle]

Inner Focus works on moves that flinch based on secondary effects

Focus Punch flinches you based on taking damage

So it will not work

[warped wraith]

🗿

[obtuse shoal]

man I need a new wincon

separate from clefsteel

because every time the opponent has a fire type or a ground type she just keeps in the back, waiting for the chance to sweep

[obtuse shoal]

https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=illusion911-comeandkissme-1713595797647

Fought this guy multiple times
His team just walls mine though

My wall breakers can't get past his walls
And his wall breakers get past mine

I don't think this is a case of just change a thing and suddenly you'll beat him
His team is just better

[cerulean fulcrum]

Where can I find the damage calculator?

[undone surge]

Theres none

[empty wraith]

imagine

[cerulean fulcrum]

Then how do I check how good the damage is on something?

[undone surge]

use normal showdown calc and manually change the base stats

[odd kiln]

what is espeed dragonitepolitoed doing

[obtuse shoal]

His best ;-;

The idea was having priority for alakazam, but it's not really a good answer

[odd kiln]

theres no way that does more than 50

[obtuse shoal]

It's more there for blocking entei from blocking clefable

But yeah I have no good answer for that alakazam

[odd kiln]

this is why pex ttar is good

[obtuse shoal]

Ok that's interesting
How much does it take from mind blown

[odd kiln]

like 25-30

[obtuse shoal]

I guess it's better than hydra

[unborn pine]

pex head? thats poison/dark right

[obtuse shoal]

ye

only weak to ground

[oak spruce]

I’m making a team in showdown and I don’t know if I should go with gyrados or bascaligen

The format is natdex doubles

[obtuse shoal]

I don't know enough of the format
But gyarados is a great water type with intimidate while basculegion has last respects, is that it

[oak spruce]

I actually made up my mind. Baculegion is more bulky especially with assault vest

[obtuse shoal]

I always find it funny that every time I see a salamence, you think of this big terrifying dragon, the fear of multiple generations, ready to run over your team after 1 dragon dance

But honestly, it's been one of the pokemon that always dies without doing much

[odd kiln]

gyarados is more naturally bulky though neither sound good with vest

well gyarados could pull something if it fuses with fake out mons ig

[oak spruce]

I’m talking about original not fusion

But you are right

But I think basculegions move pool and higher hp makes me lean towards it

[mossy violet]

assault vest basculegion sounds interesting...

[cyan latch]

I play a lot of ubers national dex and I can totally relate with this

Drake has a lot of influence lol

[oak spruce]

Trust me, with the right spread it can tank hits all day

[mossy violet]

i guess a part of pokemon battles is the element of surprise

[oak spruce]

Yea the team I have is definitely a “element of surprise” team

Also with friend guard it is EXTRA TANKY

And helping and boosted last respects

[pallid oracle]

hi

[pallid oracle]

hi

[cyan rock]

man why is this server so dead

[fluid tundra]

Compared to most servers, it’s not

[cyan rock]

i meant the pokethlon server

like the showdown one

[sturdy cradle]

more active in the morning

of America timezones

[fast elm]

as far as i am aware we are the most active mod of showdown by far

theres not really much I can do to help you out though

[cyan rock]

yeah ik that

rad red is not even played

ins has a format on pokethlon

and clover is just

there

[fast elm]

the best way to play imo is to play with friends so you don't have yo wait an hour for a battle

[cyan rock]

can't yall promote this stuff or smth?

[cyan rock]

yooo

anyone down for a game of ins ou ?

natdex

[pure breach]

We can and we should, it’s been on a to-do list for a while

[fast elm]

we have promoted

this discord has almost half a million ppl in it and the showdown has been mentioned in announcements twice

I have also personally promoted on multiple large draft leagues around launch

[cyan rock]

does not seem to work that much

[fast elm]

thanks for telling me 👍

ig i'll try going out onto the street and promoting there all day

[oak spruce]

Hi

[pure breach]

We haven’t done much outside the discord though, we have posts planned for big subreddits like r/stunfisk, and we should look into getting a Smogon forum

[obtuse shoal]

Yeah you see the same people a lot