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broken fable
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But u can still use the ability

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I don't see infinite fusion

pure breach
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wh

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no we're not becoming a part of the main showdown page lol

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means we updated to have the same mechanics and mons as them, so stuff like Pecharunt is now legal

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pretty much

lethal lynx
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which fusions are broken?

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with alakazam

tribal trellis
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The moves that are half hp

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Mostly mind blown

odd kiln
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but you cant get mind blown off a fire type in ou

tribal trellis
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He asked why is alakazam banned

odd kiln
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as in why would unstab mind blown break zam

tribal trellis
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Wdym not stab? Only blace gets mind blown

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On normal ou im guessing it's just steel beam

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Or light of ruin

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Idk i just saw it with blace

odd kiln
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i assumed they were talking about if dex ou

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where you can only get it on exeggutor and electrode

tribal trellis
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Ah i didn't even know that was a thing

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No on if dex it's only steel beam light of ruin i think

odd kiln
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but you cant get stab lor either

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and steel beam doesnt exist in gen 7

tribal trellis
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Ah

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Hmm

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Mabye it was a premptive ban from natdex idk than

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Cause there is only alakazam light of ruin none stab than

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Mabye it was enough idk

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Weird

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With like a life orb photon set ig

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Mabye the damage was too high

tribal trellis
manic sand
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Is there any intention on there being a natdex doubles OU format?

fast elm
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yes

manic sand
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Any idea when that will be added? Running a draft league and hoping to do natdex doubles for our next season

surreal swift
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If youre drafting couldnt you just enforce ou yourselves? I mean how big is the league?

manic sand
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Rn we are a 8 person league but that was really rushed, planning to push it to 32 for the next one

surreal swift
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Sounds like a good time. Itd be easier to enforce in a draft because drafting takes care of the pokemon side of things but yeah its be a pain to have to kick people for sporing and geomancing

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Fusion feels made for draft imo so much room for creativity

odd kiln
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32 natdex doubles players is crazy

opal fiber
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Do we have fusion sprites for the mons not in PIF yet (Cress, Melo, Brux)

odd kiln
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no

opal fiber
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Unfortunate doesn't even begin to describe-

pure breach
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The last sprite pack released contains a single Meloetta sprite

opal fiber
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What the flip

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Which one

sturdy cradle
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I’m surprised you could even gather 32

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The DOU player base before I dipped was barely peaking 128-256 a seasonal

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I think they recently started having a draft channel in their Discord

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VGC draft attracts a lot more

manic sand
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We’ll see but I think I can pull it off

mortal bridge
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Is there a viability ranking anywhere of non fused mons?

sturdy cradle
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depends on if its Gen 7 or Gen 9 as well

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the pins has a sheet for Gen 7 IF OU ones

delicate minnow
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is poison puppeteer bugged? i can't seem to get it working.

pure breach
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Should work just fine

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We haven’t touched it so it’s however it works on Showdown

unborn pine
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Poison puppeteer only works on Pecharunt

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So i assume pecha has to be the head of the fusion

delicate minnow
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that makes sense, thank you for explaining 🙂

fast blade
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Anyone play non-natdex anymore?????

opal fiber
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Natdex allows for more options with fusions ig

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And those who don't play randbats

inner jasper
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I cycle through ranbats/IFDexOU/NatDexOU but no more than a couple games per day

sturdy cradle
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tour wise NatDex is created more often

zenith vine
fast blade
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Is there an OU ban list somewhere?

odd kiln
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/tier gen7ifdexou

fast blade
pure breach
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on showdown

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you can do the same with NatDex if you use /tier gen9ifnationaldexou

fast blade
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Okay I don't think I can access it on movile

opal fiber
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It's a shame they banned Simple

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Bibarel left to rot in ZU forever

odd kiln
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skill issue

fast blade
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Shell smash is already banned and a lot of the more abuse able pokemon with it

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Or geomancy

opal fiber
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It would have been funny to see Bibarel in Ubers

fast blade
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And volcarona which is the only quiver dance user

odd kiln
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Ability: Simple  
Tera Type: Water  
Fusion: Swoobat  
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Timid Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Hydro Pump  
- Ice Beam  
- Tail Glow  
- Roost```
id rather not have to deal with this
sturdy cradle
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Could even run Take Heart if you really wanted to fuck with status

sturdy cradle
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It’s just balanced out by the Dexit

solar kettle
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did natdex stats get wiped at some point?

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pure breach
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Shouldn’t have

fast blade
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What should I replace my Ampharos/Sceptile running Unburden+Tail Glow with? Apparently unburden doesn't work in game

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What's like another really similarly competitively strong fast grass/Electric? Or is there not one

odd kiln
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wym it doesnt work

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and why do you specifically need a grass/electric

fast blade
# odd kiln wym it doesnt work

I'm trying to build a competitively viable in game team to beat the endgame challenge hard mode. However, apparently in game the ability "unburden" literally doesn't work. Like its bugged and does nothing.

odd kiln
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Failure

fast blade
odd kiln
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you dont need the same type to do that

fast blade
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And I wanna be able to keep my Ampharos or Sceptile and keep using it

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Tail Glow Ampharos has to be good with something else right??

odd kiln
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i tried jolteon but its power was very underwhelming

tribal trellis
fast blade
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@odd kiln I try to keep a core with Grass/Water/Fire on my team generally speaking. If I scrap the grass type could it still be competitive?

odd kiln
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yeah

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you dont need a type core to be competitive

tribal trellis
odd kiln
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ppl love pinging ‼️

tribal trellis
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Yea they really do

fast blade
tribal trellis
odd kiln
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i msgd 2 mins ago why did you need to @ me

wooden vault
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Is it possible to build a viable miltank team?

tribal trellis
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Just winning?

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Going for rank 1 team?

wooden vault
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Fun with like 60% chance of winning lol

tribal trellis
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Miltank ain't that bad

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It kinda just ain't got too much going for it

wooden vault
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I always suck at type coverage lol

tribal trellis
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Ah a full miltank team on ag

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I thought a team with miltank or soemthing

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Yea on ag this is a bit weak

wooden vault
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Maybe if AG monotype becomes a thing it would work better

odd kiln
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this would not achieve 60% winrate

wooden vault
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Well im well aware of that lmao

odd kiln
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ag requires legendaries

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and like shedinja

wooden vault
odd kiln
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not in ag

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these were the things i could think of

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wooden vault
wooden vault
odd kiln
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do you have to ping me with every reply

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yes its for every move

tribal trellis
wooden vault
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sorrry i don't quite get what you mean?

tribal trellis
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so right of that

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there is a @ on off

pure breach
pure breach
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Disclaimer: There won't be a new format for this tournament, so if you want to practice I suggest you find other people to battle with the allowed mons!

spring lagoon
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custom game needs to make any ability/item/moves/pokemon allowed without any requirements

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as well as any fusion

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custom game is supposed to allow you to do anything

odd kiln
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walled by shed

spring lagoon
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ok well i can just switch out

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it isnt actually for battling other people anyways

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i just mess around

odd kiln
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if ur mon is 100% forced out by the existence of a very common mon its not a good mon

spring lagoon
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again it doesnt even matter

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because its not for batling other people

tiny wadi
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how does multitype work? does is just replace the normal type?

sturdy cradle
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yes

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the Pokemon becomes the typing of the plate held

deft oasis
odd kiln
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yes bc contrary is not explicitly banned

pure breach
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No, contrary should also be banned

odd kiln
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errm

pure breach
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Actually you know what

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I’ll let Contrary be the same way Simple is

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If it becomes an issue can do something about it later

lost galleon
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I think Contrary would be a potential problem if not for the fact that it's hard-locked to Shuckle, who contributes a staggering 10 attack and special attack to its fusions

pure breach
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Yeah

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It’s banned in NatDex separately, here we’ll just give it that Bibarel treatment

lost galleon
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I’ve tried to find something that might work with Shuckle and contrary, and I have not succeeded.

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The things that get Draco Meteor, Leaf Storm, or Overheat don’t want anything to do with something that slow, and the things that get Close Combat or V-Create don’t want anything to do with something that forces the rock type and that little speed on them

pure breach
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I’ve found one or two uses for contrary that might be annoying at best

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I’ll give em a try sometime today or tomorrow

lost galleon
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The more I try Shuckle sets the more confused I get as to why this guy’s an Uber

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Makes for a good provider of support moves and a big defense stat if you can stomach the defensive rock type pain, but that hardly seems to be overwhelmingly strong

pure breach
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It was banned preemptively due to the high stats to try to diversify the teambuilding process. It was also banned before we started testing stuff, so stuff like Bluckle, even with its terrible typing, was really really hard to kill. The reason it’s in the tournament is because we’re looking at bringing it down to OU

lavish maple
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wait! theres a showdown for this now!

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omg i can go crazy with making teams!!!!!!!!!

pure breach
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Yeeee!!

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You should tell your friends :D

lavish maple
pure breach
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Link should be in the description

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There’s also a tournament happening on Saturday, check it out in the announcement

lavish maple
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oh god my heartburn is flaring up ='[

pure breach
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Noooo

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Take care

lavish maple
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its starting to settle thx

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it suckssssssss

lavish maple
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its taking its time to fully go away

unborn pine
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But idk if that is good

lavish maple
pure breach
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Doesn’t sound great no

pure breach
lavish maple
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OH FUCK YEAH

unborn pine
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shitmons! (Probably)

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odd kiln
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bad

surreal swift
pure breach
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Simple is

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in NatDex

lost galleon
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But in IF dex it’s allowed because it’s only on Bibarel

surreal swift
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Ahhhhh reading skills aint workin good today

tiny wadi
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i feel bad

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echo veldt
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hey does poison puppeteer work ?

tiny wadi
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would be funny if simple could double the +6

outer tusk
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shuckle has fun when you toxic stall

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chansey/shuckle with eviolite is nigh unkillable if you don't have strong fighting type

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in doubles trick room + power trick can do silly things too

odd kiln
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holy cow

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surreal swift
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I know its a super niche game mode, but 4 player teams doubles would be so sick for hangin with da boiz

lavish maple
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ikr!

pure breach
tribal trellis
opal urchin
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Hey y'all, don't drop in here often, but was wondering if there were any Regional Dex meta mainstays that don't have custom sprites yet.

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I might make a quick custom sprite for some of them

odd kiln
tribal trellis
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Looks insane

odd kiln
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it lasted like 130 turns

odd kiln
tribal trellis
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But yea

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Depends on the sets

tribal trellis
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Something like that

opal urchin
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Yeah, was wondering if there were any mainstays in the Regional Dex format for that reason

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Of course if they're big in Natdex and happen to be Regional Dex mons, that works too

tribal trellis
odd kiln
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i just looked at battles

tribal trellis
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Ah it was just an open ffa people did

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I see

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Yea seems fun

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Mabye 24 is a bit too much tho idk

tribal trellis
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Just like a good magnet pull?

odd kiln
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pretty much

pure breach
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I’m curious about Slowking Pex

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What is that Slowking doing for Pex

modest cliff
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We should ban Pex NoGokingAround

odd kiln
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just giving it more bulk

feral beacon
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does anyone know of an actual way to break stall

unborn pine
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uhh

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stall

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beat stall with stall Trollgar

feral beacon
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if i did that i'd be no better than the people using stall

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i don't want to use a strategy that i'm trying to break because i really can't stand said strategy

odd kiln
feral beacon
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...well yeah but how do I make one of those

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I've tried but the ones I've come up with are useless against at least one type of stall

odd kiln
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[Aegislash's Stance Change]
Aegislash entered its shield stance.

Aegislash used Burning Bulwark!
Aegislash protected itself!

thats kinda neat

feral beacon
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Can Necrozma become Ultra Necrozma in Showdown?

pure breach
sturdy cradle
pure breach
feral beacon
feral beacon
pure breach
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Nope

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Odd that it’s banned from AG tho

sturdy cradle
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One L for pyramid head

sturdy cradle
pure breach
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We definitely can

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Well, Yoshi can, if you ask them nicely

unborn pine
sturdy cradle
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Not in IF

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Dex 7

humble kayakBOT
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I don't think that's in IF. :thinking: Did you misspell something?

pure breach
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Lmfao

sturdy cradle
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Wait

pure breach
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Dex Necrozma

humble kayakBOT
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I don't think that's in IF. :thinking: Did you misspell something?

sturdy cradle
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I have the immunity wtf

pure breach
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Hmm

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Dex Hitmontop

humble kayakBOT
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Hitmontop's IF Pokédex number is 237!

pure breach
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Ah

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So that’s what that does

spring lagoon
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im bored

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sturdy cradle
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just use Kartana by itself he's the goat

median thunder
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been a minute

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what's the current banlist

opal fiber
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When can we get a regular Ubers format

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I wanna use funny Slaking fusions without needing to deal with the 74th Shedinja or revivecat team

pure breach
pure breach
median thunder
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ty

pure breach
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Np, lmk if you got any other questions

primal wedge
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Was Soundproof nerfed so that Perish Song affects the user, even if it has that ability?

odd kiln
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yes

primal wedge
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Tragic loss, pour one out for Laptiodon

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white oar
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rather annoyed that the practice tourneys keep happening during school hours

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I have no idea what to expect

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also bug types fuckin with 2/4 of the new mons amuses me

fossil widget
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Anyone for gen 9 natdex ag? Started messing with the showdown and wanted to try it out but no one on lol

sturdy cradle
white oar
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bro it's like 1 pm when they do the practice tourneys

fast elm
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depends on where you live

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but we try to mix it up

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unfortunately we are all working during the day in europe so theres not many options

unborn pine
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Some of the oms of showdown could also be insane, like camomons, fortemons or godly gift

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but that's optional ofc, the current metagames offer a bunch of things already

viscid skiff
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has it all just been gen9ag/ou

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ive been busy with non-if related things

pure breach
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wdym by "all"

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there's been gen 7 and 9 events, the one today is gen 7

barren obsidian
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wait isnt 10pm GMT in like 7 hrs 30 mins from now?

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@pure breach

pure breach
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yes

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sorry I fixed it lol

feral hamlet
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How do I get rid of the Showdown Pings Role?

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I forgot

pure breach
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probably here

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pallid mist
# pure breach yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VADX8HEiqM0

This might be helpfull for when anouncing events

YouTube
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Date and Time / Countdown in Discord About Me? #shorts

Discord has a new embed feature that allows you to display a date, date and the time, or the relative time until a specific point. This would be useful in a calendar channel or maybe in a giveaway channel to show how much time is left until the end of the giveaway.

The formatting of this code is a bit complex and the unix time system is impossi...

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pure breach
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oh maybe

feral hamlet
lost galleon
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How does one go about joining the tournament? I’ve never done this before. Also Showdown doesn’t like my VPN and won’t always let me use the in game social features.

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Would that be a problem?

whole moon
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Where do I go if I want to watch the tournament

pure breach
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in the lobby on the client

pure breach
fast elm
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its my fault that the tournament got delayed you guys sorry :/ dunscy always does a great job!!!

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hope everyone has fun :)

placid elm
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Uuuuuuugh I got called into work earlier so I can't join even with the delay

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Wasn't supposed to work today >:C

pure breach
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rip

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participate while at work

placid elm
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I don't think I'll be able to squeeze it in between ringing up customers

sudden prawn
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Anaconja moment

umbral saddle
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murkrow

odd kiln
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anacoomja

umbral saddle
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murkrow with prankster tailwind

surreal geyser
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Why does pursuit have to be an illegal move ;-;

odd kiln
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where

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there shouldnt be any meta where pursuit doesnt exist

hearty flame
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I am surprised that there isn't a monotype meta game yet

surreal geyser
odd kiln
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theres no ubers meta though

surreal geyser
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It's S/V singles

odd kiln
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wrong site

unborn pine
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i wish the tours were earlier

unborn pine
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Didn't know that
It's not like without fusions it would really be an active user of the move anyways

grave barn
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any usage stats

vivid junco
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Btw anyone joining the tour I inverted the command lmao

This tournament includes:
Added bans - Eternatus-Eternamax
Removed bans - urshifu, kingambit, roaring moon, espathra, zygarde, walking wake, ursaluna-bloodmoon, melmetal, Ogerpon-Hearthflame, aggron-mega, gallade-mega, sharpedo-mega, abomasnow-mega, absol-mega, audino-mega, banette-mega, gardevoir-mega, garchomp-mega, heracross-mega, houndoom-mega, latias-mega, latios-mega, manectric-mega, pidgeot-mega, slowbro-mega, steelix-mega, venusaur-mega, altaria-mega, camerupt-mega, charizard-mega-y, charizard-mega-x, glalie-mega, lopunny-mega, sableye-mega, tyranitar-mega, baxcalibur

these are the bans

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I on accidently banned all the mega's I wanted and unbanned all of them I didn't

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Legal mega raquaza

slow crane
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Would anyone be interested in a challenge where you can only use fusions that you have made a sprite off?

unborn pine
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maybe

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do they have to be on the showdown already because I just sprited a competitively viable fusion heehee

slow crane
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Yes

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It will probably be easy for you since alot of my fusion sprites are bug types

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My showdown username is FusionLoopy

unborn pine
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I have alot of unevolved fusions

wet hawk
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Hy, Im trying to play showdown with a friend but It crashes when we send the invitation, someone knows what can we do?

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Also something about autoconfirmed rank?

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Sorry I just found the showdown discord I´ll ask there

feral beacon
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I am once again asking...

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HOW DO I BREAK STALL FOR ARCEUS'S SAKE

odd kiln
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stallbreakers

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paste your team

feral beacon
feral beacon
# odd kiln paste your team 
Wildfire (Blaziken) @ Focus Sash  
Ability: Rock Head  
Fusion: Tyrantrum  
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD  
Adamant Nature  
- Head Smash  
- Brave Bird  
- Flare Blitz  
- Hone Claws  

World's Soul (Clefable) (M) @ Wide Lens  
Ability: Magic Guard  
Fusion: Celebi  
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Modest Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Light of Ruin  
- Blizzard  
- Thunder  
- Quiver Dance  

Audio Error (Porygon-Z) @ Life Orb  
Ability: Adaptability  
Fusion: Noivern  
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Timid Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Boomburst  
- Dark Pulse  
- Agility  
- Nasty Plot  

Dream Machine (Sylveon) (M) @ Choice Specs  
Ability: Analytic  
Fusion: Magnezone  
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD  
Quiet Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe  
- Moonblast  
- Flash Cannon  
- Shadow Ball  
- Parabolic Charge  

Silent Night (Hawlucha) (F) @ Power Herb  
Ability: Unburden  
Fusion: Froslass  
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Adamant Nature  
- Sky Attack  
- U-turn  
- High Jump Kick  
- Poison Jab  

Surprise! (Zoroark) (M) @ Mental Herb  
Ability: Illusion  
Fusion: Crobat  
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe  
Jolly Nature  
- Memento  
- Taunt  
- Defog  
- U-turn
odd kiln
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mg is a good way to stallbreak but mew is better than celebi bc more coverage

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additionally while boltbeam is in theory good you dont have stab on either and itd be more useful to cover for fairy

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so things like earth power and fire blast are good coverage options

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pz is another very good wallbreaker against stall but it wants specs with draco meteor fire blast/switcheroo and uturn

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well plot might work over uturn

feral beacon
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those weren't even my designated wallbreakers ;-;

odd kiln
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blaziken tyrantrum is largely outclassed by entei haxorus bc mold breaker can ignore unaware with hard hitting moves like vcreate boosted by ddance

feral beacon
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i thought i was doing moderately well for myself

odd kiln
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i do compliment the commitment to the offense archetype bc a lot of times i see an attempt at hyper offense but it just has like a random wall on it

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sylveonmagnezone is easy to wall bc it cant hit steels and easily loses momentum because of it because it doesnt have pivoting

feral beacon
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it's supposed to be a counter to fairy dragons

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i put it together back when those were the meta

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because i couldn't stand how many there were

odd kiln
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stuff like sylvern just click flamethrower though

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im p sure specs 2hkos with boomburst too

feral beacon
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...somehow, no member of my team knows Flamethrower

odd kiln
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Ability: Technician  
Fusion: Scizor  
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Adamant Nature  
- V-create  
- Bullet Punch  
- Bulldoze  
- Swords Dance```
this could be a sylvern check over the blaziken
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idk if you need max spe surely theres a good tier to hit

feral beacon
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may as well try it

odd kiln
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i dont really get the hawlucha froslass

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its using sky attack but isnt flying

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and uturn negates its unburden boost

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usually it uses sky attack + sd

feral beacon
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this probably doesn't surprise you but I don't follow the meta

odd kiln
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sure

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Ability: Unburden  
Fusion: Salamence  
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Adamant Nature  
- High Jump Kick  
- Acrobatics  
- Sky Attack  
- Swords Dance```
this is a better idea to me
feral beacon
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it's too bad

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i like the look of the hawlucha/froslass

odd kiln
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and since the enzor defensively checks sylvern you can replace the sylveon with this

Ability: Pixilate  
Fusion: Dragonite  
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Adamant Nature  
- Extreme Speed  
- Earthquake  
- Fire Punch  
- Dragon Dance```
to offensively check sylvern and other fast mons
feral beacon
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it's a matter of principle; i don't want to use any mon that i find annoying to face

odd kiln
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then ursaring dragonite or something

feral beacon
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...ughhhh salamence/hawlucha is unsprited

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...i probably seem really ungrateful

odd kiln
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aesthetics is a value to have

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i prefer competitive but thats me

feral beacon
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have people managed to make anything viable out of Skill Link

odd kiln
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no

feral beacon
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i want some way to break sash

odd kiln
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theres gear grind

feral beacon
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that hadn't occurred to me

odd kiln
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Ability: Mold Breaker  
Fusion: Haxorus  
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Adamant Nature  
- Gear Grind  
- Dragon Claw  
- Earthquake  
- Dragon Dance```
it like kinda exists
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finally for the suicide lead you gotta have hazards somewhere

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this helps the breaking sash part

feral beacon
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...duh

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can't believe I didn't consider that

odd kiln
# 
Ability: Serene Grace  
Fusion: Froslass  
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe  
Jolly Nature  
- Iron Head  
- Taunt  
- Stealth Rock  
- Spikes```
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it exists

feral beacon
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So, would this be replacing my suicide lead?

odd kiln
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yeah

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Ability: Guts  
Fusion: Dragonite  
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Adamant Nature  
- Extreme Speed  
- Earthquake  
- Facade / Fire Punch / Crunch
- Dragon Dance```
this is a good revenge killer too
dull plaza
odd kiln
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oops

unborn pine
odd kiln
opal juniper
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👍

pure breach
surreal geyser
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anyone wanna help me test damage?

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just pick the tankiest mon you can without having a weakness to fighting

serene mural
fast blade
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Is there literally anything that Palkia is useful for?

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Maybe a decent special Dragon STAB?

fast blade
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Also if they swapped Reshirams types he would be good

odd kiln
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why

unborn pine
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Isn't fire the head

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which you may want for the high spa

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fire stab is good to have

fast blade
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No fire+massive SpA+Blue Flare niche

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Just....dragon pulse STAB?

odd kiln
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this is just fine though

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fast blade
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103 is slow and it has like 7 weaknesses

odd kiln
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that balances it bc ur 152 tg

fast blade
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It's 151 in reverse

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And any legendary fusion is gonna have around that special attack

fast blade
odd kiln
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ag is already a middling speed tier meta

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biggest mons are like 90- spe

hard basin
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I need to build Gengar with Levitate for a challenge against a buddy of mine, but he only has Cursed Body? In my game he has levitate and we want to fight with in game teams.

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We do doubles battles, which apparently does not have a custom game option? Is there any way i can fix this without a bug report and waiting?

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Have been experimenting with sending challenge messages in lobby chat that unban things, and I can figure out how to unban an item, but for an ability that's normally illegal on a pokemon I cannot seem to unban it

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If anyone knows what I can do, I appreciate it

odd kiln
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add !Obtainable Abilities

hard basin
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Am trying it, I think I wrote the challenge wrong then

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/challenge username, gen7ifdexdoublesag @@@ ! Obtainable Abilities
I tried that and got an error

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opal juniper
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@hard basin you're using a spacebar

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Remove the space between ! and Obtainable

delicate minnow
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can someone deal with user Celesteela797 in the main chat, they link spam all the time

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on showdown of course

hard basin
opal juniper
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alright

white oar
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Waiting for the day they run a doubles tournament

surreal swift
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Vgc fusion when

vivid junco
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If you want to try to help you can join the pokeathlon discord if so

surreal swift
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I'd be down to help where I can. Can't commit to much the next weeks but i'll poke around for a link when I can

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This is an insane server. Can only imagine it takes a viral youtube video or two and the whole thing blows up.

feral anchor
spring lagoon
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ok what exactly is the format name for gen 9 if custom game

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because i have a team with that as the category

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and it still shows select a team and it prompts me to use another one

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and im trying to use /buildformat

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and this is REALLY pissing me off

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if i cant fucking do that

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i will always have to deal with this

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and ill never fucking get to do the thing i want to do

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so what the FUCK IS THE DAMN FORMAT NAME IF ITS NOT GEN9IFCUSTOMGAME

fast elm
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seems that you need a team to be defined somehow? idk, i've never heard of /buildformat before now and the error literally says to report if you're not using a custom client, which you are

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also pls don't swear in all caps it doesn't really motivate me to help :/

tribal trellis
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also what's gen 9 if custom game format

fast elm
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the name is gen9ifcustomgame

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thats not the problem

tribal trellis
fast elm
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you don't

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you can only challenge ppl with it

tribal trellis
fast elm
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with a weird command

tribal trellis
fast elm
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that adds rules to a challenge

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oh i didn't see that

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i have no clue how /buildformat works

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you can just use the regular challenge command with a ruleset instead

tribal trellis
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never seen someone do a team for a custom game format

fast elm
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maybe you need to /utm idk

spring lagoon
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and you have to to use build format

tribal trellis
spring lagoon
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and i want to do specific add on rules

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i was really REALLY frustrated and i apologize

fast elm
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its all good

spring lagoon
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also may i suggest making custom game allow anything

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that is the point of custom game after all

fast elm
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yeah its been suggested

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not that easy but its on my todo list

spring lagoon
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cant wait!

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will any fusion be allowed too

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like triple fusions

fast elm
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wdym

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like any triple fusion?

spring lagoon
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fusing with triple fusions

fast elm
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or fusing with triples

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i'll do that too

tribal trellis
spring lagoon
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ok now im REALLY excited

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i have a pretty evil team and with this coming i can really elevate it to new heights

tribal trellis
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like if you are just on custom the teambuilder doesn't know what you want from it

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if i got to a normal format it knows what i want

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spring lagoon
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yeah i have the format for teambuilder that format

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also

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that banette sweeps entire teams on normal showdown

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with fusions?

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it will be terrifying

tribal trellis
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that it doesn't exist

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rn atleast

spring lagoon
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yeah i cant wait for when it does

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till then ill make stuff like this

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tera flying by the way

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here we are

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didnt show the tera type because it was in a gen 7 format

tribal trellis
spring lagoon
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i wanted to do custom game because addons

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and no rules

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also the team is like

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18 pokemon

tribal trellis
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rn there is no custom in general

tribal trellis
spring lagoon
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not possible

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max team with custom game is 24

tribal trellis
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right

spring lagoon
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ive just been messing around since i found out if showdown exists tbh

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how would type work if i fused like

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paldiatina with kyodonquaza

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when this new update comes out for custom game

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when i do gen 9 custom game it doesnt even register as gen 9?

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it doesnt show tera types

spring lagoon
tribal trellis
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that's the problem

tribal trellis
spring lagoon
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because of it

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it is not fixed

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changing the format to gen 9 custom game just erased them

barren obsidian
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whats the time for the tourney on sunday?

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@pure breach

odd kiln
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noon cst

unborn pine
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night again

barren obsidian
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what time at noon

unborn pine
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kartana has enough attack that anything + kartana is a monster

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you also need to be able to beat shedinja

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and maybe revive cats

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idk

fast blade
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On Marowak/Talonflame, should you run Gale wings for the one priority Brave Bird you get absent stealth rock, or rock head for access to the recoil-less brave bird?

unborn pine
spring lagoon
spring lagoon
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which is why i used rampardos

sturdy cradle
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It’s too obvious for a mon that can’t consistently get its job done

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The server literally announces breaks the mold

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So you’ll be met with a switch in 100%

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I’d put Rocks on it even if it is Choiced

cyan dock
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couldn't you trap with Pursuit?

sturdy cradle
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Yes

odd kiln
manic sand
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Hey y’all, if anyone is looking to play in an infinite fusion draft league I’m running one, our next season starts in about 2 weeks so hmu if you would be interested

agile glen
#

Hello everyone I have some questions, sorry if it has already been answered :
1 - Is there a time when Cresselia and other new mons will be added to OU ?
2 - Same things for sprites, is there a way to add Custom sprites to showdown ?

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Thanks !

pure breach
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The Pokémon introduced to IF will generally be added to the Showdown when we’re around to add them, and they start having sprites for them

There are no Showdown-specific sprites, we pull the sprites similarly to how the game does, so when sprites are released for it, we will have them shortly after

fast elm
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aka all the new mons are getting added!!!!!!

pure breach
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Cress, the two Meloetta forms, and big Brux

oak spruce
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I’m playing on showdown and it’s not letting me use my team because my clefairys moves aren’t compatible. It move set is baton pass, belly drum, detect and power up punch. By the way I’m on Nat dex doubles. Don’t know why it’s not working.

fast elm
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thats incompatible on base showdown natdex as well, its just how clefairy's moveset works

oak spruce
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I don’t get it why?

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So I can’t use clefairy but the more powerful cleafable is ok

fast elm
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the problem is detect

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but it has to do with how natdex learnsets are checked

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which I can assure you is accurate to the official vanilla showdown server

wary flame
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@fast elm so just check clefairy gets power up punch on nomral showdown but not on if showdown

fast elm
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it does i checked

wary flame
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it does but not in nat dex doubles Ag which is weird

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i think in nat dex doubles Ag it based off gen 9 move sets and not Nat dex movesets

fast elm
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thats possible let me check

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its a visual glitch

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clefairy does learn pup in the format but its showing different learnsets

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i'll look into it!

wary flame
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yeah it purely visual werid

fast elm
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that kind of visual teambuilder stuff is one of the more finnicky things to code in showdown so there is always weird problems like that

tiny wadi
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anyone wanna do ffa or doubles?

barren obsidian
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about the mega pokemon

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do I need to add a base pokemon and put mega stone on it

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or directly add a mega pokemon

wary flame
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base then mega stone

barren obsidian
#

does ogerpon fusion need hearthflame mask as item still?

wary flame
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yes

white oar
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how does one deal with a no guard dark void in doubles

odd kiln
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sleep clause

tiny wadi
oak spruce
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I just had the most crazy showdown battle!😭 I made up a strategy where I use mirror armour corviknight and contrary serpeior using scary face to double serpeiors speed which lets me make serpeior hit pretty hard right off the bat. I used a glimora to use spikes and got off a toxic debris and that made all Pokémon my opponent sent out take big damage. When I was sure I was going to lose poison slowly deteriorated their Pokémon which let serpeior close in on the kill. Serpeior had a sliver of health.

white dock
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How do people even begin to comprehend this format

odd kiln
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its essentially any other format

sturdy cradle
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trial and error

sturdy cradle
oak spruce
#

What

oak spruce
sturdy cradle
oak spruce
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lol just went up against a intimidate mon and my serpeior and corviknight just said “no” lol 😂

odd kiln
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are you playing doubles ag

oak spruce
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Nah Nat dex double

odd kiln
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cant imagine how the meta is there

oak spruce
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Horrible

odd kiln
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wait fusions or vanilla

oak spruce
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Vanilla

odd kiln
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i got confused bc i thought it was fusions

oak spruce
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wait…I just thought of something evil. I’ll use glimmora with memento on serpeior after setting up stealth rocks then use leaf storm. +4 IN ONE TURN!

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Also +2 in physical attack

odd kiln
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that doesnt mean much

oak spruce
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+4 in one turn isn’t much to you? While still dealing damage with leaf storm!

sturdy cradle
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NatDex Doubles sounds horrible

oak spruce
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It really is.🥰

sturdy cradle
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I can't even watch SV DOU while they kept Flutter Mane for so long

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💀

oak spruce
# sturdy cradle I can't even watch SV DOU while they kept Flutter Mane for so long

Yea imagine this. Meowcecrada with eject button then use Flower trick on kroocadile with anger point holding the speed boost Berry once meowcecrada switch’s out go into flamigo now let kroocadile die then switch in mega medicham with skill swap. Pure power flamigo and make sure flamigo has focus sash so if it gets hit too hard you can have a 8 times boosted Pokémon that can use acrobatics, keep in mind you have a mega medicham with Co-star.

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Oh yea you can still use tera flying

glossy zealot
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Is here a adequate place to post competitive memes?

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oak spruce
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I just broke a man. It started with them sending out granbull and incinaroar both intimate my glimmora has its stats lowered but my serpeior… was already ready to deal big damage. Turn two I go for protect, my opponent tries to kill, glimmora goes for stealth rock. And in turn three glimmora uses memento on serpeior then it uses leaf storm on the granbull. The incinaroar uses parting shot probably as a last “🖕u” before forfeiting

vivid junco
oak spruce
oak spruce
vivid junco
oak spruce
pure breach
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I don’t personally see why not, but I suppose maybe the moderators ought to weigh in @wispy ember if you don’t mind?

wispy ember
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hm

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what did I miss

pure breach
#

Milian you seem to have lost most of your name

wispy ember
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I have yes

pure breach
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Only the 1 at the end is left

wispy ember
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I'll tell you hwat

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Dunscy, if you want showdown memes here

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I am fine with it

pure breach
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Nah just some arguments about wether or not showdown memes are fine here

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Yeah figured they’d be fine here, but making sure

wispy ember
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My jurisdiction but I'll leave the decision for you

pure breach
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I ain’t no mod lol

wispy ember
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I am asking if you are ok with them being here heehee

pure breach
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But sure, as long as it’s related to showdown, anything’s game here

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Except for like, being a bad person

wispy ember
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then you have your answer

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Rule ummm

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the one about spam still applies tho

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keep them at a minimum

pure breach
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Of course

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All rules still apply

odd kiln
vivid junco
#

@fast blade. Alomola doublade is 1 of the most used mons in the format. it walls the best breakers being urshifu r and dragonite. its also good against any stall mons for free wish passing. it can sweep with a spectral theif stolen stats and walls some of the more a teir mons like iron hands and can spin block great core

odd kiln
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well maybe hooh groudon is close

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bc that mon has almost no switchins

graceful bramble
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Bro if you think alomola doublade ain't the best wall you ain't breaking 1100 in the natdex ladder

vivid junco
graceful bramble
#

ong

vivid junco
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Doublade is top mon in format alomola second

odd kiln
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they did say anything is allowed though

vivid junco
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Fair. But im talking ou

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If we talking anything allowed

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revival cats is best

odd kiln
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idk about that

vivid junco
#

Your right that can be countered

graceful bramble
#

Eternamax eternatus / eternamax eternatus is the best imo but that's just me

odd kiln
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i assumed whatever is mechanically legal

vivid junco
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But in ou alomola doublade is top mon maybe 2cd is debatable since it can be passive

odd kiln
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revivecats is annoying but you can optimize your own hazard setting/control to where you can pp stall assist

fast blade
vivid junco
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Eternamx hooh

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Lugia eternamax

fast blade
#

What's the single best fusion in the game assuming anything is legal

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"Anything is legal"

fast blade
vivid junco
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You said anything was legal

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But this would heal multiscale with leftovers

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also has cosmic power

fast blade
sturdy cradle
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All I’m hearing is a Bo3 to settle who’s right

sturdy cradle
tiny wadi
#

wouldnt it be so epic if assist couldnt select explosion

lavish maple
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how do i get better at competitive like idrk how to predict and what non stab moves pokemon would have

sturdy cradle
vivid junco
lavish maple
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surprisingly im really good at teambuilding ive helped like 4 ppl make op teams for this game alone and ive made over a dozen teams for me and my mates

vivid junco
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I reccomemd trying to get high ladder some where

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If you face good players you can learn hoe they play

lavish maple
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like for this i made a team that had super effective stab for every types exept normal

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and it was a sun team too

vivid junco
humble kayakBOT
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Above time (07:00 CST) in your local time ·
vivid junco
#

Probs 1 of my better replays

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With me I battled until it clicked then ive done well since

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I just reccomend going high ladder main showdown.

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Grind a format till you can see common ways people predict

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It just kinda clicked for me 1 day

lavish maple
vivid junco
lavish maple
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Oh ok lol

lavish maple
# vivid junco Now

Well I’ve made 2 teams since u went to bed if u want I can send ya the teams and if u got any changes

odd kiln
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send em

lavish maple
# odd kiln send em

Magnetoed (Magnezone) @ Damp Rock
Ability: Drizzle
Shiny: Yes
Fusion: Politoed
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Scald
  • Ice Beam
  • Volt Switch
  • Thunder

Kingtios (Kingdra) @ Life Orb
Ability: Swift Swim
Fusion: Latios
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Scald
  • Ice Beam
  • Calm Mind
  • Psychic

Milolix (Milotic) (F) @ Flame Orb
Ability: Marvel Scale
Shiny: Yes
Fusion: Steelix
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Scald
  • Earth Power
  • Ice Beam
  • Recover

Gyaramence (Gyarados) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Moxie
Shiny: Yes
Fusion: Salamence
Alt: a
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Waterfall
  • Dragon Claw
  • Earthquake
  • Outrage

Toxthorn (Toxapex) @ Black Sludge
Ability: Regenerator
Shiny: Yes
Fusion: Ferrothorn
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Scald
  • Spiky Shield
  • Recover
  • Toxic

Slowclops (Slowking) @ Eviolite
Ability: Oblivious
Shiny: Yes
Fusion: Dusclops
Alt: a
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

  • Scald
  • Slack Off
  • Curse
  • Trick Room
#

rain team

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Venustoizard @ Heat Rock
Ability: Chlorophyll
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Solar Beam
  • Sunny Day
  • Flamethrower
  • Hidden Power [Ground]

Swamptiliken @ Aguav Berry
Ability: Unburden
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Leaf Blade
  • Swords Dance
  • Blaze Kick
  • Acrobatics

Celemewchi @ Light Clay
Ability: Serene Grace
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Reflect
  • Thunder Wave
  • Light Screen
  • Scald

Regitrio @ Assault Vest
Ability: Clear Body
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Ice Beam
  • Ancient Power
  • Flash Cannon
  • Hidden Power [Flying]

Zapmolticuno @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Serene Grace
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Ice Beam
  • Flamethrower
  • Thunderbolt
  • Air Slash

Enraicune @ Air Balloon
Ability: Inner Focus
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Eruption
  • Surf
  • Thunderbolt
  • Calm Mind
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and a team of only tripple fusions i made for fun

#

both if dex ou

lavish maple
#

neither team has anything for hazzards

odd kiln
#

so lets start with rain

#

keep in mind enemy #1 of rain is ```Jigrowth (Jirachi) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
Fusion: Tangrowth
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

  • Giga Drain
  • Iron Head
  • Knock Off
  • U-turn```
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and currently you have no one that actually beats this

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going into the actual mons id highly recommend using a rain setter with longevity (recovery)

lavish maple
odd kiln
#

there isnt but there should be

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ive used jirachipolitoed as a setter though i think jirachitangrowth is also the best friend of rain

lavish maple
#

would u say i picked the right fusions for my water mons

odd kiln
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kingtios makes sense but fails to common special walls

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milolix is ok but i dont like flame orb and ultimately think quaglix is better

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i havent seen gyaramence before but the set is definitely unoptimal bc it has two unstab dragon moves

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toxthorn is pretty outclassed by its swap and as a regen steel its outclassed by jirachitangrowth especially on rain

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oops thats not a water mon

lavish maple
odd kiln
#

its not really good

lavish maple
odd kiln
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youre damaging yourself 1/16 each turn

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i would just rather have a physical swift swim user

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slowclops just doesnt make sense with the team bc youre intending to set rain for swift swim

lavish maple
#

ok so first do i sack milolix?

odd kiln
#

perhaps but lets go w one mon at a time

lavish maple
lavish maple
odd kiln
#

im going in order starting with politoed

lavish maple
#

kk

odd kiln
# 
Ability: Drizzle  
Fusion: Celebi  
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD  
Relaxed Nature  
IVs: 0 Spe  
- Scald  
- Stealth Rock  
- Recover  
- U-turn```
thinking this bc it has longevity and pivoting and sr
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provides ground resist too

lavish maple
#

is that ou?

odd kiln
#

yeah

# 
Ability: Swift Swim  
Fusion: Golduck  
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Modest Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Shadow Ball  
- Hydro Pump  
- Focus Blast  
- Nasty Plot```
genduck has plot, which is a much better offensive setup, as well as focus blast for jigrowth
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so this is better than kingdralatios

lavish maple
odd kiln
#

you can have a thunder user

lavish maple
#

oke

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what replaces milotic?

odd kiln
#

gonna skip it for a second

lavish maple
#

oke

odd kiln
# 
Ability: Swift Swim  
Fusion: Kabutops  
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Adamant Nature  
- Close Combat  
- Crabhammer  
- Knock Off  
- Swords Dance```
this is a better physical mon than gyaramence bc swift swim and setup
lavish maple
#

now we need support

odd kiln
#

polibi is weak to bug and flying so thinking maybe a steel

lavish maple
#

vaporeon/lucario is nice

odd kiln
#

doesnt sound very bulky

lavish maple
odd kiln
#

yeah not very bulky

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actually thinking maybe an electric/fairy or electric/flying bc it also resists fighting which hits jigrowth se

lavish maple
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ok ok

odd kiln
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(i replaced toxthorn with jigrowth btw)

lavish maple
#

u never sent a set for jigrowth

odd kiln
lavish maple
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nvm

#

so y are we adding a mon that doesnt get boosted by rain on a rain team?

odd kiln
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bc you need to cover weaknesses

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doesnt help having 5 water mons if you get owned by one electric/grass mon

lavish maple
#

eh ok

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now just need a water steel mon and smth to replace milotic

lavish maple
odd kiln
#

im thinking

# 
Ability: Immunity  
Fusion: Gligar  
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD  
Bold Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Thunder  
- Earth Power / U-Turn  
- Defog  
- Roost```
idk about this but it seems like it could be good
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uturn/flying/ground/fighting resist with p good bulk and hazard control

# 
Ability: Sheer Force  
Fusion: Nidoking  
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Timid Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Thunder  
- Earth Power  
- Focus Blast  
- Ice Beam```
lastly im thinking maybe another wall is not needed and you can go a third attacker
lavish maple
odd kiln
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pretty much

lavish maple
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kk ill try it and luk

lavish maple
odd kiln
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idrk what to do w that one

lavish maple
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also i lost the guy had a stall mon and i made a mistake or 2

odd kiln
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i saw the game you shouldnt have immediately set rocks bc the mon was offensive

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and special while you were physdef

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so clicking uturn or hard switching to tang was the better option

lavish maple
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oh...

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im not that good at competitive lol

odd kiln
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and yeah the whimsicott was walled by tang too

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you learn this over time

lavish maple
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my account isnt a week old yet so i cant talk in the lobby there yet =[

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imma do a random battle

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welp he swept me cause he had a quiver dance user and moonblasted everything i had

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had 3 dark types a fighting type and a dragon

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freaking mew/porygon z

oak spruce
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What were game freak thinking when they let snorlex hold aguav berries and have belly drum?

odd kiln
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that its 30 spe and thus probably fine

oak spruce
oak spruce
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I just fought someone on showdown I used rage powder with amoogus and the opponents leafeion still went and attacked my serpeior. Is that supposed to happen? Btw it used solar blade with sun up.

odd kiln
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bc grass is immune to powder

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so theyre not affected by rage powder

oak spruce
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Ah ok

fast blade
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What are the best Pikachu fusions?

lavish maple
oak spruce
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Hey how do you get to Pokémon showdown with fusions

tame dove
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For a defensive Pokémon what is the best combination of types.

odd kiln
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depends on who you need to wall

oak spruce
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Or evolit duraldon into Tera flying

pure breach
oak spruce
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K

oak spruce
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I was just playing showdown and I think someone was cheating. They were using guzzlord and when they got a K.O their defence got boosted instead of sp.att boost and my serpeior who at the time had +6 in sp.att and it wasn’t dealing much damage I know guzzlord has insane health but I was only dealing little damage. It doesn’t make sense.

odd kiln
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hakcerman

pure breach
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I'm fairly sure they weren't cheating, but any chance you have the replay of that or something?

oak spruce
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Nah but it’s I bit weird to me might run it through a damage calc

oak spruce
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Yea somethings up it’s supposed to be a 3HKO from serpeior 0 EV with non sp.att boosting nature and +6 in sp.att and guzzlord having max EV in health and sp.def with sp.def boosting nature. It’s not even guaranteed that it was that kind of spread even with +1 in sp.def it’s still a 4HKO

modern spire
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how do megas work with fusions in natdex?

feral anchor
modern spire
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mmm makes sense

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thanks

feral anchor
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if you have the mega as the body you can have it as the mega form and also have it's ability

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but you gotta have the stone on it

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as head it has to start as the base form but it'll have the mega ability

pure breach
modern spire
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can you give a mega an ability from its fusion and have it keep it when it mega evolves?

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like giving mega gallade swift swim w/ kingdra or something

feral anchor
modern spire
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huh interesting

feral anchor
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Mega pidgeot head will force you into no guard, but the body will give you the choice between no guard and the fusion's other abilities

oak spruce
fast blade
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For the endgame challenge

unborn pine
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Also I assume it's NatdexAG since you're using Serperior

unborn pine
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This is the if showdown channel smh

oak spruce
unborn pine
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So maybe they just invested in special defense instead of special attack

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EVs

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They were probably running a goofy spread like this

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oak spruce
oak spruce
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If that’s what it was running it would have been destroyed by by +6 serpeior

unborn pine
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idk what you mean specifically maybe they ran an choice item

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which makes this the weirdest guzzlord set in existance

oak spruce
unborn pine
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oh you mean it got hit

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Assault vest boosts special defense

oak spruce
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Eh could have been that

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Give me a sec

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Still only 4HKO

oak spruce
# oak spruce Still only 4HKO

Just to add on my serpeior has no EVs in sp.att and a non sp.att boosting nature while I put in for the guzzlord max health EVs and max sp.def EVs and a sp.def boosting nature

unborn pine
oak spruce
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Guzzlord is getting 4HKOed by serpeior

unborn pine
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At +6?

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+6 0 SpA Serperior Leaf Storm vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Guzzlord: 154-182 (23.6 - 28%) -- 89.6% chance to 4HKO
Low roll possibly, but its also just possible it did this damage and you expected it to do more

oak spruce
odd kiln
oak spruce
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How’s the wife going to take this?😞

vivid junco
oak spruce
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Did you…. Kill her or sum?

sturdy cradle
pine fjord
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bruh

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my game keeps crashing

sturdy cradle
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this is the showdown not PIF

pure breach
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It’s the PIF showdown, but but if you mean your PIF keeps crashing, then I suggest you go to #tech-support

oak spruce
oak spruce
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What’s a good item for incin to hold

pure breach
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in doubles or singles

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doubles I'd go Safety Goggles, Sitrus, or Aguav berry

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depending on team comp

oak spruce
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Kk

spring lagoon
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i was really hoping the custom game update would be out already

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dull plaza
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I’m still waiting for the ability changes update since Gengar in IF has Levitate but you can’t put that on in Showdown

unborn pine
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can there be a randbats sets quality check thing

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There's alot of bad or mediocre movesets and it generally makes randbats less fun
I'd be happy to help :)

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Also I don't remember what sets I submitted

thin garden
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breloom should be uber in my opinion

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it does too many things too well and enables so many things

unborn pine
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nah

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idk which fusion you ran into but if you aren't prepared for mach punch + shadow sneak you probably need to adjust your team

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so many priority in the tier makes ho setup worse

thin garden
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nonono

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strength sap

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for instance

unborn pine
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ah with toxic heal

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brelooms bulk is bad tho, what fusion was it?

thin garden
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im currently running it with suicune

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cause water/grass covers lots

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scald signal beam calm mind sap

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350hp , 335 def, 193 SpDef

unborn pine
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I literally thought of suicune lol
But it's stats aren't that great,

thin garden
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one calm mind and you are already good

unborn pine
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yeah that's kinda more just suicune being great

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Strength sap is a very good move tho

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(And Real annoying)

odd kiln
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that spa is terrible

thin garden
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i found the most insane mon

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that carried me to 1300 with 2 troll mons that 80% of matches did literally nothing

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grass normal + thick fat
he usually takes 5-15% from 2x effective moves done by the enemy sweeper mon

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it has no right to be that strong

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getting to 1300 in just 1h is pretty good id say
sadly nobody plays above 1300 and it takes 10min to find a match, which always is someone at 1100 and you gain 7 per win

odd kiln
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pastebin

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its easy to get to 1300 bc 1100s players just use 6 attackers with no setup control

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you can easily shut down the mon using toxic bc 60 spa requires 6 qds to do any damage

thin garden
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its easily the bulkiest mon

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220 SpA isnt that bad , can sweep easily after 2 buffs cause of its bulk and giga drain

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and after those 2 buff turns its usually still at 80%

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in non IF ladders i was 1700 in BH on 2 accounts
so please try it on a smurf before just shutting me down

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94W 11L is impressive af, what are you running

wary skiff
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I lost against a breelom/suicune today, perhaps it was you. I threw the game early with a wrong switch-in and it all fell apart from there. That being said, i feel like it wasn't really the mon by itself the problem as much as it having access to strenght sap that really broke my back. I've started playing on showdown yesterday so I'm still very inexperienced, especially when it comes to all the expert move tutors so maybe that's why i was so impressed by strength sap.

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i remember the celebi-munchlax too so we probably played against

thin garden
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GGs then

wary skiff
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i was running a shoddy sand team

thin garden
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i remember you

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cause i recall thinking "why bring empoleon as your water"

wary skiff
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because this was the team i used in game and before trying anything else i wanted to try and use that on showdown

thin garden
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ah

wary skiff
thin garden
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hey nothing against bringing favourites

wary skiff
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yeah i know not the best motivation

thin garden
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no totally cool

wary skiff
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the chomp and the ferro are gone now, i'm running a gliscor in thier place that covers a bit of both

thin garden
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a special wall with rock flying is a pretty good idea

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but steel flying special wall goes harder

wary skiff
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it's quite tanky with sand up and assault vest, takes nothing from noivern/sylveon which i'm seeing everywhere

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steel/flying is def a better typing but i'm not sure what i could transition the ttar into

thin garden
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jirachi+dragonite is the steel flying id use

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if you plan on assault vesting

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otherwise id use something with better status movepools

wary skiff
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yeah with multiscale and exspeed it's cool

thin garden
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id use serene grace

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shadow ball , moonblast , icebeam

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anaconja has 98 wins and 2 losses in AG

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how

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i feel like if you dont use a gimmick like trick room or rain or aurora veil , you can never get a score like that

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maybe im overlooking something and a "bulky but balanced team" just isnt it

wary skiff
thin garden
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dude cant be 94-11 without basically having an answer to everything

thin garden
wary skiff
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it does lose icebeam but gets coverage in other types+ i can always run ice on the scizor/latios if i want ice coverage

thin garden
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challenged you

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in case you wanna test teams

wary skiff
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is there a way to add people on showdown, as i said i'm still new

thin garden
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i currently have 13 mons that im considering for a team, i need to know what works

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you can search for users

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and challenge them

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friendlist seems to be disabled on pokeathlon

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but its a thing on showdown

wary skiff
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yesterday i had to google how to concede a match because i thought simply closing a window would be rude, turns out it's the same button

thin garden
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ye lol

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btw showdown works on your phone browser too but its scuffed

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i think someone made an app that has a workaround, unsure if its still up

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since im on desktop these last years

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so you wanna battle ?

wary skiff
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i think i'll go for now, it's late, thanks for the chat tho, catch you another day

thin garden
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ok

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gn

feral anchor
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hmm

odd kiln
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snorcor has 131/105/98 bulk with ph and stab facade

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much more immediately threatening

stoic heron
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fun RU team i made

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made some missclicks tho

thin garden
# odd kiln 73/103/78 bulk isnt bulky though

dont forget typing, it basically resists all the most common attacktypes and is only weak to fighting and flying, which, thanks to its bulk with basically snorlax's hp as well as eviolite, is a lot

thin garden
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it comes onto the field with 450hp, 324def, 324 Spdef

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thanks to thickfat you also negate the fire/ice weakness as well

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idk how you can still say thats not insanely bulky

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im now 15-2 with the team and lost once to a freeze and once to underestimating how much someones sweeper would do