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Heh, dragonite rangers
Uhhh, have fun
thx
can someone explain why this is legal
trios seem to be bugged
you can add them as Mon 2 on the fusion
It's not, you can build with it, but it won't validate
Oh
Maybe put this in the Showdown Support
Oh no
It works with all Triple fusions
yea
only really matters for the regis cos the rest of them have more equitable stat distributions
They'd still give huge movesets
yea
nobody can see anything from this link
wait auctaully
@fast elm
Lemme add that to the bug report
already has been
will be patched in a few hours
Ah
Not really, best thing is to just keep the name written or make a separate support report for that case specifically
I assume at least...
This looks so fun but an absolute unholy nightmare to balance
The case we are talking about or the format in general?
The format in general, should've clarified lol myb
your watching this guy is being pretty toxic right?
yep
you're
Oh, I'm only really familiar with Regional OU and that's rather fine...sometimes someone can pull off something crazy though
Im getting stalled by a guy abusing a glitch. bro uncalled for
is this actually going to be the game were theres 1k rounds
Capital B on the 'bro' after a fullstop.
i dont know which were to use 😭
Lmao
"Where" would be the correct word to use in that sentence, just as a friendly note
I thought so
Don't put me in english class again guys, please
@fast otter Hello I see your a mod. sorry if this is wrong to ping idk. Im getting beaten by gltich abuse and the guy is being toxic are you mod on client?
I suck at english even though I speak it lol
lemme get someone
oh wait
they are here
I don't moderate showdown so yeah I can't really do anything about that
Anyways, I'm going to bed, bye 
can you get anyone online who can
I know millan is mod im pretty sure and gordo might be
is Vince a mod on there
I have no idea who the showdown mods are
@wispy ember Can I have some help here
Just butting in to say that I checked on the Pokéathlon server and it seems like all of the admins are offline right now :/
Im about to lose like 40 elo
Bc of a guy abusing a glitch
Plus they also said they would abuse the glitch even more by making a team with 6 regitrio fused with other pokemon
The worse part of this was that this bug didn’t work until a later update
I just want the elo back im gonna lose here
It was fixed but now it somehow broke
@prime furnace they knew
damn, ignites lead is massive
Just realized the power of Typhlosion + Regenerator mon. Gets free heals back to full with specs.
No idea lol
They where being toxic right?
Didn't even notice until you pointed it out
His entei/bewear is carrying hard
yes
Im so mad
Finally got back up to number 2
Then lost next 2 matches then faced that
First I'm hearing of this fusion, what's cracked about it?
Oh wait I just saw it has v-create
Yikes lol
thats all the enteis tho, I still kinda struggle dealing with em
my best answer to em so far is a Wailord/Pyukumuku
All these v-creates, geomancy's and what-have-yous lol
the spectral thieves actually seem pretty healthy
Yeah there's for sure some variation in which legendary-exclusive moves are problematic
running haxorus with no setup
is spectral thief legal in ou?
yes
so far the only legend sigs that got banned were double iron bash and geomancy
damn, didnt face a single cats team on the way
https://pokepast.es/c8a62cf3dedb060a
tho Im sure you could make super steroid cats in this by making em ghost or steel without tera
also question when will we get ru and uu and such if ever?
Fire normal type with decent bulk that has access to v create, is a physical attacker and has fluffy as an ability which halves all contact damage
Nah, triple fusions as mateiral is totally legit, u guys just salty
just missed light of ruin and sacred fire on a snorcor that got double protect off
maybe this guy had a point
How long before someone here rants like that?
I can’t read my mistake
any suggestions to the held item here?
probably sitrus berry
yea you want sitrus so itll always activate regardless of how much damage you took
Idk, Lavos got flinched 3 or 4 times by waterfall, can't blame
i think i've found something i'll sprite (i play only with sprites i made, so it's harder to finds some broken stuff)
recommendations for a ghost type tank?
probably gengar/shuckle 
how come Hydreigon can't learn Nasty Plot in Showdown? there's a Nasty Plot TM after all.
walled by shed swap eq to fire punch
what are the reqs for a fusion having spectral thief
Gengar line, Banette, Aegislash line, and Giratina
Why does it say Thousand Waves doesn't exist in Gen 7
because I never legalized it damn
This is wack

alr try again
yoshiiiiii c'mon...
💀
drop a draco.dek
why is this suddenly a problem lmao
Also this
Brb, gonna make a fake bug and report it and make yoshi scratch his hair off
No, i was joking (abt making fake bugs), the bugs are real, get to it chop chop
Which is more important, your classes and future, or random strangers on the internet wanting to play a Pokemon fangame's fangame
you get it
Yep, so ditch class and get to fixing the bugs gdi
So... u fixed the previous issue here
Now i got this
Actually... this might be correct, since the only way Entei could get Extremespeed was via an event, which PIF doesn't have
Idek why Talondactyl could validate Double-Edge before
Was removing event-only moves intentional?
Class is kinda pointless, you could always work at a Mcdonalds or something
ohh yeah i should've written a changelog
you're on actual ingame learnsets now i think/hope
There are so many move bugs huh
showdown has very very complicated move validation
that doesn't ljke checking fusion movesets at all
gg
Damn... there goes my PoryZ/Entei...
I'm really loving this Showdown server honestly ( PS: I'm the Chi-Rex 🦖 person! )
@fast elm hey
This dude was abusing the glitch that you guys recently fixed that allowed people to fuse the triple fusions with other pokemon: https://replay.pokeathlon.com/#replay=rastormfan-theshawdoin-1700538650937
thats my fault for not restarting the server to fix the glitch immediately
if they get on again i'll talk to them
where's the list of changes
a lot of pokemon that didn't show as learning quiver dance now do
I can't list all the changes because its 31000 lines of learnsets that I scraped from the actual game pokedex file
but aron can actually learn qd through a tutor in game
whether thats supposed to be like that or not its possible
Okay cool, so now Lycanroc can't learn it's own Signature attack, good to know
alr you found an error
pokemon that can get tutored parting shot don't come up when you search it as a tag
like umbreon and krook etc
I'm loving your project BTW I've put in like 200 games across 2 accs
ohhhh
unfortunately theres no way to search for move expert things since they are specific to each fusion
its annoying but there isn't really a solution
I like the new layout for like
when you do make a fusion it shows that some moves r tutor specific
i have a boxes of setups. I just validate them and see if any of them get hits
Smd0 😭
lmao well as infuriating as it is its also really helpful
Btw... also noticed Umbreon no longer gets Reflect... do u intend to give it back since u also intend to give Togekiss Moonblast?
Are there going to be updates to the cilent every day until hopefully everything is fixed
every day might be a little too optimistic since its just me on this and exam season is coming up but yeah I plan on fixing stuff til theres no more fixes to be made
that isn't really possible but at least until bug reports slow considerably
Yeah
my intention is to make the server (at least the IF dex format) as accurate to in-game as humanly possible
togekiss has moonblast
Aight
Not in gen 7
yes in infinite fusion though
is there a website or something that can show what expert moves can be learnt by fusions?
the wiki has exactly that
thanks
what is going on
Found another bug. Somehow Galvantula/Whimsicott has access to Spore, and given it has prankster... need i say more?
Now this was harder to find since it wasn't a case of validation saying it's not possible, but validation saying it IS possible lol
Meanwhile my team gets this error: eventhough weezing clearly knows sludge wave
Guess i gotta say goodbye to 5 base power and swap over to sludge bomb
Actually Weezing doesn't get access to Sludge Wave until gen 8
sludge bomb is better anyway
There’s a sleep clause
Still a bug
Spore is a TM In infinite fusion, good chance Whimsicott can learn it
Good time to pack safety goggles
yeah whimsicott learns it in-game
That's not a bug
Might have to ban whimsicott lol
or just ban prankster, problem solved 
Or just ban spore
Lum berries are your friend
i don't really encounter thing that put you asleep except maybe darkrai, but it's like 50% to hit so ...
And you're doing a great job!
Prank Spore is just okay, we still have Sleep clause, it easy to tell when it happens and Dark types exist
And grass types!
Guys we can't just ban everything that is just good
spore is really annoying to play around
But it's easy to play around it
and when you're on 1 pokemon it's just a free click with prankster for the opponent
Oh no, I'm now losing more
Annoying? Yes. Absolutely broken in the tier? Not in my experience.
currently the only (common) counters I see are
Dark & Grass types
Being poisoned (gliscor)
1, (Have more piority)
2, (Have Dark types
)
revive cars
Lum berries, Safety Goggles, Marvel Scale. Many abilities make you immune to sleep.
Magic Bounce, Lum Berry, ExtremeSpeed, Guts Sweeps, Switching in a counter
safety goggles
does regitrio have any use or is it as bad as it looks?
the item that definitely does something other than block spore
its as bad as it looks
What do you mean by the last one
damn
magic bounce: fair enough, but espeon and xatu aren't super good
Lum berry: not that common
Extreme speed: if they survive they can still put you to sleep
Guts: I haven't tried this yet
Ability: Prankster
Fusion: Whimsicott
Alt: a
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Shadow Ball
- Moonblast
- Spore
- Calm Mind```
take this for example
immune to espeed hits basically every mbouncer and dark type
Switching into a Grass/Dark or whatever...wastes Whimsicott turn and often it doesn't have great pressure
bc ppl use dumb shit like whimsicott galv that doesnt do anything
moment ppl start realizing you can just throw on whimsicott on a strong mon to give it spore shits gonna do something
Even being put to sleep does not do a lot
Here is the fun part, you can't.
You are already committed to giving it Prankster and use Spore, so damage boost abilities and Choice Items are already off the table
do you even need prankster
I’ll try this out!
the example i used has 104 spe
Even getting spore off is just okay?
Also, Whimsicott's typing makes it vulnerable to priority moves.
Fairy weak to Bullet Punch.
Grass weak to Ice Shard.
priority is not and has never been a viable way of keeping something in check
if it was stuff like pheromosa would be just fine in ou
I feel like I'm arguing with scrubs
Do you know what a Revenge Killer is? Do you know why Thick Club was brutal? Have you ever ran a Scizor?
I want to end this argument with this.
If you want something banned, I'd love to propose we make polls
ur priority argument doesnt even work when shit like scizor is slow and thus will be outsped by prank spore
Didn't you just say you can run it without?
you can run it with and you can run it without
if ur check only works half the time its not a check is it
That is exactly what a check is, you are thinking of a hard counter
besides that it requires you to have a safe switchin and preserve the mon and scizor fusions are not known to be longevity mons in the current meta
you can also run multiple spore Pokémon on the same team
Sleep clause.
not like that
I just leave a pokemon asleep and now you are screwed
I mean if you have a counter for a specific one they could have another
by that argument great tusk is checked by ferrothorn if you pray that its not using a fighting move which some sets forgo
eww, gen 9
ferro isn't in gen 9
great tusk
natdex then
eww
Can we add custom sprite's animation into showdown? We can't add gif to the game but showdown can, right????
ask @fast elm
Now i am not an pokemon expert, however!
I do not think Aggron is capable of learning quiver dance
bruh
Pretty sure belly drum being usable on azumarill is a bug
I think they removed it for balance reasons in-game
Because I tried to get it as an egg move at the egg move tutor and it didn't let me
When you hit 10 hits of population bomb after your wide lens is knocked off
Bruh, have u seen those hips? Bitch can dance
Odd decision to give it to Whimsicott though
Fair
Some stuff is too good tho
Also I'm trying to do the reverse sometimes lol. I think zam should be unbanned
So your point is you just disagree about what is too good
Idk man I was like half joking though
Wait what?
how about we do vote for commity
What's the confusion?
"you just disagree about what is too good"
the idea with bans is that if there is an incredibly popular strategy with little counterplay, it probably should be looked into.
I don't see what's confusing about that
Bro be dancin'
Maybe I'm overthinking
I saw this too and found it odd
I was making a Lycanroc Rampardos for a sand team prototype
Although I wish we had Lycanroc-Dusk for Tough Claws access
@pure breach is rapid spin supposed to increase speed in IFDex?
Shouldn’t
Okok
can link the replay if you so desire
There’s a bunch of bugs at the minute, Yoshi is trying to implement the IF learnsets properly and it’s causing validation issues. Alongside that, there’s a known bug that randomly occurs where gen 9 mechanics seep into gen 7. This last one just requires the server to restart. I do ask everyone keep reporting bugs, but also be patient as Yoshi is a one man army trying to fix everything
all good
I spectate a lot so I see stuff happening
best to report it 
also god, gliscor truly is the most OU mon in IFdex lmao
Gliscor and Toxapex, making it so you have to strategize
Fuse both of them and create a monster
Not my Foolproof™️ strategy
That's concerning
Wait really? What I got from the wiki was that if a fusion contains a specific pokemon then you're eligible. Basically they're just adding movesets to specific pokemon but they have to be Fused. Like any ampharos fusion can learn tail glow from the move experts for example
I love that boy
yeah but they don't have the move if they aren't fused so none of those moves exist on pokemon in the search
Water Spout spam it to death!
Ohhhhh I get what you're saying now
Swift swim+specs+Water Spout shocks everyone in the amount of damage it does. I had people running a tangrowth fusion with assault vest and it still was doing like 30% or something
I think this thing is pretty funny/annoying for the unlimited format
does entei not learn flare blitz?
Seems like the curse one is right tho, even if I was using it yesterday
Is the reverse better because flying stab?
I think maybe life orb is better, since you do more damage and heal more
You can also run roost to have prio reg healing
stats are too much worse imo
But yeah, you do gain stab
It might be better
I don't know damage enough by heart to just know which one is better off the top of my head.
Which Pokemon could I use to counter the triple fusion of Hoenn's starters?
I have no idea
dragons type resit all of there stabs
Not that much worse, just the hp
and spa
Which isn't as important
I also figure leftovers is probably better overall.
Works well with protect obviously
fairy/flying also has 5 weaknesses instead of just 3
But does have a couple extra resists
He have Ice punch
This is gonna be a wild event ahaha
was sword dance fire move ice punch grassmoe?
is it singles or doubles?
I have cooked the ultimate problem solver mon
oh?
you can swap focus sash with choice scarf incase you want a answer to mons that are extremely fast
no custom sprite though
looks to me like you're getting pp stalled
Nothing a little Curse staller wouldn’t fix.
Chansey or Blissey with Dusknoir or Cofagrigus
Chansey of eviolite
Blissey if lefties
I like Cofagrigus for mummy
Gets rid of annoying abilities
now its CLEARLY forcing endless battles
more stupid funny names
oh yeah that's straight up illegal
Not to actually win
is that AG or OU?
ou
Idk, There are 3 movesets fused man xD
ye
Please screenshot whatever happens lol
That's built in
endless battle clause activated
Hoenn starter triple is só annoyng @pure breach u have a Tip?
I thought it just wasn't working lol
Lmao
format?
What a shitter
Was IF Dex Ou
What typing is it?
Figured
oh xD
Yes
Didn’t know if that one had either of the available secondary typings
I mean, as far as I've found most bulky mons deal with it just fine
pex fusions, umbreon fusions
I hate that And I don't know how to counter
yeah lol
Grass moves and fighting moves
Nothing they can do
Grass hits Pex for neutral, resisted on poison fusions
Earthquake
honestly something like Dusclops Pex sounds really good at the minute, with the eviolite patch
Normal/ghost staller
lacking HP tho
OU allows dusclops?
I'm usually a big fan of Umbreon/Pex, parting shot, toxic, wish, baneful
yes
Tranks
Idk if a combination of these is available in OU or not.
A normal ghost could be good there?
Love Roaring Loud
The swampert/quagsire seems a little redundant to me. But I get that it’s mainly just to put unaware onto Swampert.
Idk what I’d replace on that team.
if you're just looking to put Unaware on a water type mon, Pyukumuku is usually a better call
Both of your defensive pokemon are weak to grass, that might be exploitable
Although dragocor can probably handle them with poison heal
Is there a way to change the sprite into an alt?
@proven wedge problem solver is scary
He is indeed solving current problems
lol
I think compound eyes isn't working correctly
i missed 3 times in a row
highly improbably
but not impossible
ooooh tourney
Weird seeing this actually happen
Endless Battle Clause is like the least likely clause
Btw, who leagalized Swagger?
Uhh, Scizor is what I use usually
We love swagger in this household
Jirentei
4x fairy resist, can retaliate with a faster Espeed
Also guaranteed burns on SF, 60% chance to flinch on iron head, etc
Why poison heal on Breswine
What are it's weaknesses? Rock and flying? I think everything else is covered by another type
Muk type
Swamptiliken is just what happens when you give Slaking actual STABs and Unburden
lol
Tell me I'm wrong

Oh yeah poison too
So how does Multi-Attack work without the Silvally Memories?
Reason # 6 billion not to play Nat dex
Guys does someone have the list of custom moves (for example murkrow/mew having spore when they don't when non fused)?
Mew gets Spore
Oh
What about the legendary moves like spectral thief?
It's in the site
I should read before asking
Thanks!
What you think about this team?
I love my boi zekyu
@fast blade Which Pokemon should I remove to put Entei with Jirachi?
Personally, I think your team's pretty weak to ground type moves, but I don't know if I usually see ground types much to consider a member swap
but that's just me
Salazor
why are there so many pokemon that can learn spore now?
And they all have Prankster
Apperently it's a TM or there is a Move Tutor?
They can fuse with Whimsicott for Prankster
So yeah, Whimsicott gets it without help
no, whimsicott can just learn spore
WAT
Mew and Celebi can learn it
AAAAHHHHH
Don't worry, it's just fine 

I thought that TM was only available thru debug mode
Just make Dark and Grass types 
I'm using Insomnia Hypno from now on
Give those sleep-spamming cotton balls a taste of their own medicine.
also i don't know if this has been fixed yet but rapid spin currently has its gen 8 properties in gen7 ou
I think we can let that slide
Eh, grass is save from Spore, Dark is save from Prankster
Insomnia mons can't be put to sleep at all
We don't really use other sleep move I think?
yawn
Eh, fair
no body uses it but its still good
I've seen a couple of people running Hypnosis, the madlads
Doesn't it end up being worse Whirlwind/Roar?
I mean, you could pair it with Pursuit
its not negative priority
that too
I wish they'd bring Pursuit back in the official games
But...it doesn't do anything on the first turn...
Well, I guess I can see an argument for either...
it forces the opponent to switch while giving you an turn to act on their switch
you would want to use yawn on the opponent switching
Yeah...
Ahhh gdi... the event is happening while i'm not available... rotten luck
Oh well, not like i'll win anyways
wait why can't weavile learn icicle crash anymore? its an egg move
...Not sure
I've been yawned before, not a good time
Probably becuz the 2 Pokemon that can give it to Weavile hasn't been added to PIF yet
I wonder if this logic also applies to Liquidation?
Since Araquanid has yet to be added
Nope, mons can learn Liquidation... so that's wierd
Oh wait, i forgot, we got Mareanie, that's why
then why can mamoswine still learn it?
New team
Seems alright I think
If you're gonna run no guard garchomp, you should use dragon rush. 100 BP STAB with perfect accuracy
How does it get dragon dance? Garchomp isn't supposed to get the move
dragon dance is a tm in IF
Uhhh...he does now
all the IF TM compatibility is here now (even the TM's that arent obtainable)
That's gotta be a glitch
And I still wouldn't expect him to learn it if it is a TM, I mean not learning DD is his whole thing
aggron can learn quiver dance in IF apparently so who know what the devs were on
That's pretty wild
oh yeah quiver dance is a tm too
is not
should not happen
it literally is
Did we just battle?
gliscor or a counter for gliscor
idk really
I don't run Gliscor, no problem winning
Just won with Snorcor, that's why I am asking
i just cant swallow it
I don't doubt that Gliscor is crazy good
i faced thousands of those so might be
it is crazy good
Ah
Whether it gets banned or not i'll leave it to the mods
but it lacks Sp.D
ive seen too many gliscors today
yeah

gliscor is the most used pokemon in OU
But for now, always prepare counter measures for Gliscor, or have a team that will always overpower it
at 7.11%
its the moment #getgliscorandregisteelbanned

registeel is not as strong as we originally thought tbh
Wait, what did Registeel do?
What did Registeel do?
being ugly
registeel offers nothing but stats
sorry
damn
(and typing)
and voi'la, you have a better skarmory
150 def and sp.def, Clear Body, and... not much else

its objectively the worse regi in looks
and people keep playing it without custom fusions
Steel?
sadly it has the best typing of the trio
so i have to see that ugly thing every time 
FALSE, THAT TITLE BELONGS TO REGIELEKI
Fck u then, Steel looks the... 2nd best
huhm
Rock is ugly af
rock has personality
Personality of a trash can
steel is just a grey mess
Where?
did you know, you can have battles be displayed on the right?
if thats a robot
literally just a base smogon skarmory set
it looks like a golem with a 80s futuristic wash
but registeel makes it better 
I keep forgetting to add this to my box, it's a fun set if the opponent doesn't have fire sweepers like i do
Can we make a Registeel/Skarmory joke fusion that's just a brick wall?
my favourite skarmory set is lanturn/skarmory volt absorb
spikes, roost, vswitch and smth
Using that myself now, it's a bulky mfer
Maybe a dumb question, but why does it run Spikes over Stealth Rock?
it's only weakness is rock
ask smogon
Okay
Real Gen 3 OU hours
oh yeah scald
stealth rock is for mons without recovery
scald, spikes, roost, vswitch volt absorb leftovers lanturn/skarmory
spikes is better only if u can put +2 layers
which is very common
/s
Idk, we have so many flying types that spikes seems less effective than rocks
I lowkey feel like making some joke sprites just for my team

as currently I am running heatran and landorusT
Most of the additions make sense, like yanmega quiver dance or togekiss getting shell smash.
DD Garchomp and QD Aggron are WILD
in IFDex mind you
Honetly based

Milotic/Pidgeot actually puts in work, why?
water/flying
but uglier
Said this before, but have u not seen Aggron's hips? Bitch can dance
Let Me Cook v4 it is then
It''s also half Pidgeot
Sad that i won't be able to participate in the showdown event...
I will be spectating
actually, I have no idea now that I look at it
besides it being water/flying, there isn't much going for it actually 
Really wanted to see how far my team could take me
Milotic gyarados on the other hand
Maybe i should get someone to represent me
want me to use your sun team? 
If u want to, but i think u're better than me?
We could have a match sometime to see if it's better than what u have
I was higher than you on the ladder today
for a few
but then decided to play some more

No
I haven't played ladder since i haven't found a new gimmick
I just made a team that put me out of my 50% wr trap
Nothing is still as fun as Mind Blown Electrode
It's gotta be trash
yeah
it is
no special ability besides marvel scale
move pool is gen 1 pidgeot so
not gen 1 but still garbage compared to the other options
Gyarados/Milotic gives you intimitade which is omega useful
you still get milotics bulk
whilst having gyarados'es atk stat
Try this atrocious cooking as a gimmick then 
Glacetor (Glaceon) @ Custap Berry
Ability: Harvest
Fusion: Exeggutor
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Sunny Day
- Ice Beam
- Psyshock
- Mind Blown
Exeggutor gets Mind Blown wtf
Yes
That looks trash...
it does
That’s why I said atrocious 
I said gimmick, not a meme
Ice/Psychic, no speed, dies to whatever you put at it
The gimmick was harvest Custap Berry lol
oh lol
Shit gimmick then
it first has to survive a hit tho
What happens when Harvest doesn't go off
Lose
Why even giv it Mind Blown without Magic Guard?
At that point might as well give it Explosion
It wasn't survivng long enough to boom anyway
Not mid, straight up trash
whats the difference
I NEVER SAID IT WAS EVEN MID, I said it was trash lol
Mid is... "meh", or below average
Trash is trash
Too high of rating
This doesn't even warrant me taking a look at the stats to know it's trash
Pls, u could give it Steel/Fairy and it would still be trash
Rule 1: Never be a bulky ice type
Rule 2: Never be Psychic type
espeon's magic bounce :
Magic Bounce only you mean
and xatu requires you to use it as a body fusion to get rid of the psychic type
I kinda want to experiment with using a flying type Xatu with magic bounce, but that would mean using Xatu as body and it's frail af
Quiver dance
Which part of that gets Quiver Dance
When in doubt, registeel it out
special walled skarmory sounds forbidden
nvm, registeel gets stealth rock
At least Registeel also gets Seismic Toss too
Looks good
I'm gonna steal it

Am I seeing this right or does Gliscor get Crabhammer now?
Yes, Scizor too
WHY
They are technically crabs
They fixed movepoold
parasect as well
something immoral I cooked up
Tutor in game gave it to them, just wasn’t implemented in showdown yet
He is a crab silly

I think we are stretching the definition of a crab just a little
Apparently all moves were implemented
It's mine now
All things become crab, some sooner than others
** yet **
didn't take long to come up with it
defog seems a bit pointless
but you can't always predict when an entry hazard is coming
It can learn Haze 
No, RIGHT NOW they're implemented apparently
this more so belongs in #showdown-teambuilding but it's not like we're talking about something else
Not "yet"
yep
they should be fully implemented iirc
Use natu instead, eviolite shenanigans
What Pokemon get Oblivion Wing when fused?
Disgusting...I like it
That’s what I literally said 🤦
any dark flying type i think
You said they weren't implemented in showdown yet
That's not true
Or at least not according to the guy who does it
Much better
375 def
** were **, past tense
FINALLY A REASON TO USE GALE WINGS WITHOUT HURRICANE
this to copy
Just vulnerable to knock off
What's this
best I could come up with
Yveltal's base stats
change the ability to static
or pressure
since dark aura is not something I can copy
and voi'la, you've gotten yourself a Walmart Yveltal
More like Walmart Iron Jugulis 
Jugiulis doesnt get oblivion wing

hydreigon/talonflame might be good too
I wasn’t talking about the moves 
I would replace taunt with nasty plot, 108 spatk is probably not enough
And air balloon too
Lol
Generally my measuring stick is Sylvern, whether mons can compete with it in any measure
Gale wings oblivion wings sounds fun, but lacks power
And any dmg u take negates gale wings
and any other pixilate user tbh
I don't mean vs-ing sylvern
but yeah I get it
I mean in terms of performance
I think the point is that Oblivion Wing will heal you back to Gale Wings? Or am I wrong on that
U go first, u take dmg, thwn u don't go 1st no more
yeah that^
Hykiss (Hydreigon) @ Life Orb
Ability: Super Luck / Serene Grace
Fusion: Togekiss
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid / Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dark Pulse
- Oblivion Wing
- Nasty Plot
- Earth Power / Fire Blast / Roost
sounds pretty good
this is an option too i guess
Wouldn't gale wings be funnier? I mean, oblivion wing may heal it to full hp
you would go first at full hp
#showdown-general is the new #showdown-teambuilding 
That said, 364 speed is nothing to sneeze at. You outspeed most "general" sweepers
Ofc u still lose to choice sweepers
But oblivion wing lacks fire power
And ppl overestimate how much u can recover with it
Well it’s not like Hurricane is that much better
It isn't, which is why Oak abused the fact that Mankey paw previously could have 100% accuracy crit hurricanes in the rain
Bring out the heatran clones!
if there was something more happening
then I'd redirect it
It's hard to compete with a 238 BP raw Boomburst, but it's what u have to compete with
Tbh the boomy set could be counted with Sylveon Arcanine
How do you get 238
Pixelate + STAB
That's not 238
Also usually "base power" usually implies you're excluding STAB
140 x 1.7 no? Did i miss something?
Yes. 140x1.5x1.2=252
Why did people share Yveltals at home?
(Sorry for being late to the party)
Pretty sure multipliers are additive and not multiplicative
100% sure they're multiplication that's why they're called multipliers
They're called multipliers cuz they multiply your stats, but the factors themselves are additive
That's absurd
That's not how math works
Then any multiplier would be nerfed by the presence of any other multipliers
Via diminishing returns
Yeah, just checked the damage formula, you're right, it's multiplicative
It does work if it's additive, but it's not, so it doesn't matter
Anytime something says it multiples something by 1.2, it never means it's adding one multiplier to another, because again, that's not how math works
I had assumed that the way the formula works is that the multiplier was 1 + STAB + Multipliers, so a 50% STAB and Pixelate 20% would be 1 + 0.5 + 0.2, which would be 1.7
Even if you'd resist, they would still do 85% of the original dmg
Well ik but that's just not how multipliers are used. It would self refute the idea that "this increases it by 20%" if that increase depends on a previous multiplier not existing to be true, then it's not really a multiplier
I MEAN
you mean what
so uh
im a bit confused
i saw lycanroc's accelerock listed as a fusion only expert move in gen 7 ag
but now its listed as illegal, what are fusion only expert moves
i got sweeped by an azurill
is that the 300 turn match I just saw
how does people like singles with 1 of 5 battles being +60 turns
sorry but this way of playing pokemon feels awful
no one plays doubles tho so im stuck with it
oh, you usually like VGC?
I hate everything running protect
did they ban e speed?
no
It's the same with NatDex AG and that makes me sad 😭
just watched someone get sweeped by espeed huge power azumarl/dragonite
i was using espeed now i cant use it
azurill
Don't expose me like that
not azumarill
that one yeah
.
I always got those backwards
Agreed, i love doubles more
i had little experience in singles (and that little was me getting rekt, and running into stall)
Pixelate E-Speed is another thing that can just sweep. Banded Sylveon/Dragonite or Sylveon/Arcanine just chunks most things.
i prefer getting rekt every time than using a single stall mon
the Noivern also hits like a truck
It's less of a threat because that ESpeed doesn't get STAB, and is walled by common threats like Steel, Poison, and Fire, or just high def mons in general like Gliscor
pixelate does give stab if you're fairy type? or what that changed?
it does
then what is caffeine talking about?
im not sure lol
https://prnt.sc/3LwBTXOBI_BE speaking of the devil
I mean its not to say it isn't countered by Steel/Poison/Fire but it still hits like a truck. Oh hey that might be me lol
its countered by steel/poison/fire types until the opponent decides to click EQ on your switch instead
still hard walled by weezing tho 
Yep, I run Earthquake/Fire Punch for pesty things like Metagross/Dhelmise
Who tf plays natdex AG
Metagross/Dhelmise has a beautiful sprite
maniacs like me
If I may congratulate myself for a moment, I'm very happy 😄
tbh if im still top 100 im happy
Anyone running any refrigerate sets?
nah sorry
I'm like top 50 on OU ladder so I'm quite happy
im 105th rn 😦
i just dropped more though
versed a mon that countered my whole team
It's funny that huge power is so broken people are running it on azurill lol
What is everyone's most useful pokemon so far?
three gassy balls (Weezing) @ Eviolite
Ability: Levitate
Fusion: Magneton
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Sludge Bomb
- Flash Cannon
- Flamethrower
- Parabolic Charge
Ambinite (Ambipom) @ Silk Scarf
Ability: Technician
Fusion: Dragonite
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Fake Out
- Extreme Speed
- Knock Off
- U-turn
I think I just fought you
had the heal fight
oh yep
speaking of which: Duscgrowth (Dusclops) @ Eviolite
Ability: Regenerator
Fusion: Tangrowth
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Impish Nature
- Knock Off
- Will-O-Wisp
- Night Shade
- Leech Seed
got reccomendations for a team change for me?
your normal/fire walled me, funny enough
I'm stealing it 😄
oh lol
might steal this then 🙂
Blazdactyl (Blaziken) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Rock Head
Fusion: Aerodactyl
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- High Jump Kick
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- Knock Off
this has been useful too
go ahead
thankds
yeah i just think my krookodile countered it
How many games
That if nat dex
The second most games is shrimp im first
Either of these








