pif-hoenn-discussion

[dense cosmos]

I'm giving you all the no pins for reasons called, I want to.

[paper nebula]

When's pokemon infinite fusion hoenn coming out? jk I read the pinned messages.

[atomic hornet]

You guys want a hint?

This is still true and right on schedule

[quaint matrix]

So at worst it's releasing in the middle of the year?

[atomic hornet]

I wouldn't even say that tbh

This chat always cracks me up, so I wanted to give you a little update. As far as I'm allowed to say anyway 🙂 you guys are awesome

[gray vine]

Im actually from the Past so i know it released somewhere in 2024

just gotta find it

[atomic hornet]

||But right now we're actually scheduling what may be our last round of QA testing for the demo. Once that's started it'll be a little bit to make sure any new bugs are fixed. Frog may not be too happy with me if he sees this so shhhhhhh||

[atomic hornet]

Ahh shit, I thought we buried all evidence

[gray vine]

sadly i was only able to be in 2024 for a year, 2 years and 3 months later i was here. never did find it

but i know its there

[atomic hornet]

Fun fact, I've been bothering frog and making "lets make hoenn!" jokes since 2024 so it lines up

[empty fog]

I can't w8 for the game XD

[atomic hornet]

I cant wait too! I'll be watching anxiously at all your reactions

[quaint matrix]

Infinite Fusion Hoenn to the polls

[rancid nymph]

OH FROG

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-discord-mod-moderator-moderation-clash-of-clans-gif-24080525

[inland jewel]

watch the new bugs & Q/A take 2 months

so Paya becomes technically correct

[pseudo meteor]

thank you payapon

[vestal lily]

hoenn is very cool

[dense cosmos]

I mean, my birthday is in summer, so I'm not opposed to pif hoenn demo then

[elder field]

I'm excited to see what the new region will be like.

[clever needle]

What fusions are yall looking forward to

[crystal cosmos]

Any that I’ve dexed

[atomic hornet]

Wet

[dense cosmos]

We have confirmed from paya there are puddles in hoenn

[crystal cosmos]

We confirmed it’s wet but that still means Hoenn could still be completely devoid of bodies of water

[inland jewel]

Swoobat fusions

[atomic hornet]

So about those bugs

Pokemon center has a roof leak

[hushed axle]

It was the wind

[molten loom]

yeah buildings and caves sprung a leak and let the wind in occasionally

Not sure if they're haunted yet

[iron sequoia]

can't wait for rayquaza/Groudon/Kyogre triple fusion

[hushed axle]

That's.. already a thing

[full bison]

It's even in the server banner

[iron sequoia]

well, i'm just stupid then sorry

[inland jewel]

definitely make it an easter egg with a trainer going. "I could have sworn that it was raining earlier

[dense cosmos]

That's normal

[trail hull]

@ chardub

[quaint yarrow]

I can't wait for there to be no Pokémon and all you do is animal crossing-style plant berries and wait 24 irl hours for them to grow

Also they dried up the ocean

[sterile spoke]

I don't hate this. 😂

It could be fun for somewhere like the Abandoned Ship. 😅

Or when it rains in Fortree and Pacifidlog. 🙂

[proud lion]

Not even 24 hours. 2 full weeks in real time.

[rancid nymph]

PIF Pokopia when

[summer apex]

frankly it's insulting that we don't already have a release date for PIF: Wind and Waves

[fresh star]

Fr I need my Browt/Metagross fusion already. 🙄

[prime dust]

not possible atm

even if we wanted to

there's no pokemon essential data for anything

[summer apex]

sounds like excuses to me

[prime dust]

it is one

we can't just make up data

or pokemon that haven't even been announced yet

[surreal temple]

Wait is hoenn out now

Oh ok

@ me when it’s out

[severe spear]

it is impossible to make up new pokemon

[surreal temple]

I can do it

A dog that’s also a octopus

Call em octopup

[severe spear]

impressive

[surreal temple]

Thx

[prime dust]

it isn't, fakemon are very much a thing, but this game is about fusing pokemon that actually exist in the official games

[tender latch]

Good luck! Getting all the little bugs and wrinkles out has always sounded like such a headache.

[dense cosmos]

i have close to or over 400 fan made pokemon based on myths, animals, and some objects. it is not impossible.

[sterile spoke]

Rookie numbers. I have more Fakemon concepts sketched out than there are actual Pokémon. 😂

[tender latch]

Unparalleled champion nerd over here ☝️

I’m teasing btw @sterile spoke pls don’t ban my ass.

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-meme-reaction-reaction-meme-ltg-gif-4897734485591340546

[quaint yarrow]

200 Heart Scale DLC

[silk cobalt]

I'd do it.

[quaint yarrow]

Honestly same

[undone stirrup]

Ctrl add items 200 heart scale

[knotty mountain]

Computer give me 200 heart scales

[atomic hornet]

||198.533 (Murkrow / Volbeat)
66.535 (Machop / Gulpin)
66.504 (Machop / Zigzagoon)
434.63 (Trubbish / Abra)
118.508 (Goldeen / Beautifly)
529.520 (Electrike / Whismur)
533.84 (Volbeat / Doduo)
84.533 (Doduo / Volbeat)
238.525 (Smoochum / Skitty)
529.503 (Electrike / Mightyena)
521.82 (Loudred / Magneton)||

[crystal cosmos]

What do the numbers mean masonPaya

[dense cosmos]

dex numbers

[light garden]

I don't think "Numbers" is in PIF. :thinking: Did you misspell something?

[dense cosmos]

-# forgot that is a trigger

[atomic hornet]

||It was posted on purpose, but what does it mean?? How will you guys interpret it? ||

Ooooooooh spooky

[scarlet pebble]

I am scared

[molten loom]

-# ||is it trainer mons missing sprites||

[prime dust]

if that were the case wouldn't the list be longer; unless those are just paya's greatest hits on choice

[inland jewel]

Let it be known that its been posted in 3 places

lets show them that Hoenn Discussions has it in them

[hushed stream]

Wait sorry to have asked if this is common but is there any transfer data between this and hoenn?

[quaint matrix]

There is

The PC system in both games will have a PC box that supports cross boxes between Kanto IF and Hoenn IF

[full bison]

Anyone here have any knowledge on ciphers so we can really overthink this?

[undone stirrup]

||Is this just a sprite wishlist?||

||Or wild fusions that lack a sprite?||

||Because a lot of them are missing a sprite||

||All of them do actually||

But then again smoochum doesn't appear in Hoenn under normal conditions

[full bison]

I guess it can spawn in if the one in a million chance of hail spreading all the way from Shoal Cave to one of the early game routes happens

[undone stirrup]

||Anyways someone else also mentioned missing sprites so ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯||

||maybe we will get a remix mode hoenn before hoenn ||

[dense cosmos]

||this one just has a 📌 in it||

[full bison]

||if there is an early trainer with Smoochum, that still implies that Smoochum could be made available early on||

||probably by egg if I had to guess seriously||

[green laurel]

-# miss paya, how could you do this to me
||this isnt a hint||

[atomic hornet]

||I can't say what it's for!||

[hushed axle]

So this means if I ever want people to drive people insane, all I need to do is post some random list of fusions and dip

[dense cosmos]

||358.123||
-# leaves

[molten loom]

If you really want to drive them insane make sure it's a bunch of mons that seem like that could either hint to something or be somewhat related to each other

[full bison]

Even better if the first letters of their names are all different to make people assume there's a cipher

[molten loom]

Or make some of the numbers be specific letters to possibly spell something

[dense cosmos]

Going to be honest, I slammed random number for the first one on mine and thought 123 was hitmonchan.
Still a cool sprite tho

[hushed axle]

I could literally post mumbo jumbo here and pin it and people would probably try and decode it as a secret message

Type a message in binary

[molten loom]

And now they don't know if you're baiting them into thinking it's nothing or not

[hushed axle]

That's the best part, ngl

[dense cosmos]

-# rotom/scyther is important. Trust.

[hexed agate]

2

[hexed agate]

I should start pinning my calculus hw here

[scarlet pebble]

Okay so I figured it out

Paya was posting pokemon

so that must mean PIF hoenn is pokemon related

[quaint yarrow]

That's silly, don't be silly

[plush bough]

Still hoping to see Salazzle somewhere in the distant future

[trail hull]

Frog: we need something to make people waste time while we work on pifh, any ideas.
Paya: I got you
proceeds to post random fusions

[trail hull]

On an other note I think I figured it out. There is always ||one component that isn’t in the regular hoenn pokedex , therefore this list confirms returning mons||

Never mind upon inspection one of them has both

[sterile spoke]

Quite a few have both, especially when including the Hoenn Pokédex's non-Hoenn Pokémon. 😛

[trail hull]

But it does confirm some even if not intended

[undone stirrup]

||Machop and Gulpin are both in Hoenn dex||

Never mind upon inspection you stated "Never mind upon inspection one of them has both"

||checked if they spawn close to each other and Route 110 has Gulpin->Mauwille City->Route 111->Route 112 has Machop in paired games->Fiery Path has Machop in Emerald||

||Another one Elektrikle is at Route 110-> Mauwille->Elektrike is at Route 118 too->Route 119->Forretree City->Route 120 has Mightyena||

And thereby I am fucking jobless

(I have to study but school won't make me use hyper beam)

[quaint yarrow]

I hear that PIF Hoenn is a fully 3D adventure and froggy is going to add every Pokemon and every single gimmick mechanic from every official, side and fangame and also it's gonna have building mechanics

Trust me guys my uncle works at Nintendo

[proud lion]

Did he also leak Smash 6?

[quaint yarrow]

How did you know

[rancid nymph]

POV everyone’s computer as soon as they download PIF Hoenn:

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-explode-clouds-of-smoke-gif-17216934

[quaint yarrow]

It's called SM6SH and features guns

[quaint yarrow]

Just as frog intended. No one can beat the game if no one can run it

[inland jewel]

can't believe Joker isn't special anymore

[grand pawn]

Will the hoenn game have any new Pokémon added or is it the same Dex as the first?

[quaint yarrow]

It has new mons

[quaint yarrow]

https://infinitefusion.fandom.com/wiki/Pokédex

[grand pawn]

Thank you!

[quaint yarrow]

Scroll down to Dex number 502 and below

Idk if there's a clearer way to see em

Eelektross/Magnezone is gonna be so busted

[prime dust]

not really, it would still be steel/electric

[grand pawn]

Eelektross has levitate though

[prime dust]

yes, but with it being part steel, that means it has a fire weakness

[grand pawn]

It does gain a fire and fighting weakness though

Honestly I can't think of many cool fusions for the new Pokémon in hoenn

[inland jewel]

there has been several cool fusion with those mon

[fringe forge]

theres plenty of awesome fusions with the hoenn mons

every few days i just scroll the fusion dex and i see so many cool sprites of yet to be added mons

[split cove]

If I fuse Ganger with a dark type and turn it into a dark/poison type with the levitate ability will it make it have no weaknesses?

[crystal cosmos]

As long as opponent doesn’t have mold breaker or set gravity then yes

Which is very rare so yes

[split cove]

Oh okay thanks 👍

[hexed agate]

Fight for your rights people

Do not let us live in a world where we don't have 20 monkeys at our disposal

[dense cosmos]

Sounds like monkey business

[full bison]

How many ways can we be expected to not bear witness to evil that it would necessitate 20 different wise monkeys?

[unique flame]

big if true

[quaint matrix]

Introducing
Touch No Evil
Step on No Evil
Sniff No Evil
Eat No Evil
Crush No Evil (with your thighs)
Piss on No Evil
etc etc

[dense cosmos]

May I stab evil?

[quaint matrix]

No there's a monkey for that now

[analog belfry]

you don't understand mark, this is good news.
we can finally be Monke.

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/tommy-wiseau-oh-hi-mark-hey-mark-gif-17296134

[gray vine]

https://klipy.com/gifs/neuro-sama-ai-10

[craggy nexus]

Nooooo this means we need to more type fits

[prime dust]

i see your evil neurosama and raise you the king of nuclear weapons

https://tenor.com/view/hello-gandhi-jayanti-gifkaro-greeting-hi-gif-20950348

[sterile spoke]

Believe it or not, all IF fusions will be in Smash 6. 🙂

AND all of the characters can fuse with each other or the IF fusions. 😉

[velvet root]

Im real a smash bros fusing game would be fun

[undone stirrup]

So fusions can fuse with each other?

To make fusion fusions

[trail hull]

Pikachu self self fusion

[undone stirrup]

Anything but evolving into raichu

[dense cosmos]

Metaknight/samus fusion in super smash bros would probably get me yelled at.
-# (people I battled when said game came out hated to fight metaknight. So I'm assuming metaknight/samus would have op attacks people would hate)

[grand pawn]

Meta knight/pyra fusion

[prime dust]

why would you need to fuse smash characters when you have the perfect lifeform available

https://tenor.com/view/poyo-kirbo-funny-smirk-gif-1149088699124041984

[viscid fossil]

[grim cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-cell-dragon-ball-z-dbz-cell-perfect-cell-walking-gif-9485170798400022713

[undone stirrup]

Actual ᴘᴇʀꜰᴇᴄᴛ lifeform

[stable moth]

Are any of these new Pokémon going to be on the regular game or is it just going to be in the Hoenn version?

[full bison]

Hoenn exclusive aside from Randomizer mode

[sharp sphinx]

hoenn version but you can transfer em or something

[prime dust]

both the above statements are true

outside what is already in PIF, mons in Hoenn will be exclusive; outside the randomizer [when that gets updated] and there will be a box in your pc that will let you transfer mons between the games

[dense cosmos]

I'm going to transfer myself to hoenn

[summer apex]

pretty sure you'll be able to get hoenn mons through non-randomizer random means

like the rocket stolen pokemon shop, for example

Either way I believe it has also been stated that mons not encounterable in the wild of the version you're playing will not be required for magic boots

[warm jay]

Just joined and want to say cannot wait for the release of this 🙂 This game is/will always be a staple in my boyfriend and I relationship. We started playing it together about a week into living together and it helped us bond and grow together alot, we had so much fun and are at the edge of our seats for infinite fusion hoenn 🙂 Thanks so
much !

[hushed axle]

That's cute

@atomic hornet read the cute 🫵

[atomic hornet]

Oh my goodness my heart man its messages like these that really make it worth it. I'm so happy you and your boyfriend enjoy playing our game so much!!

[wicked heath]

: D

[inner ether]

How is the game coming along i know there be some issues with new features to add but other then that how it coming along

[prime dust]

?tag hoenn

[opal trail]

Pokemon Infinite Fusion: Hoenn is not available yet! For more information, please check the pinned FAQ in #pif-hoenn-discussion. For development updates, you can get the "Dev Update Pings" role in #roles. All previous updates can be found in #dev-updates!

[inner ether]

I know it not ready or anything was just wondering how the coding is going and hope the coders aren't overworking themselves

Why does everyone take my question out of context

[prime dust]

standard protocol

you ask about progress, get pinned

[inner ether]

Yeah but was talking about coders since they spend hours upon hours coding sometimes without break

[prime dust]

paya just recently got back from a decent break and was eager to jump back in

as for frog...he does that

[atomic hornet]

[inner ether]

Ah that good

Hope you had a good break

I just don't want you all to get burned out and to take breaks when you can ^^

[atomic hornet]

Progress is going swimmingly! We should be starting our possibly last round of QA soon, if I stop giving us more work My break was good, I'm pretty much finished with my portion of everything, but there are some more things I want to talk to frog about that adds something that players would love

[inner ether]

Oh that good well it tends to happen when you love doing what you do you tend to give yourself more work

[atomic hornet]

Sorry my grammar sucks, I've been pulling 4-6am nights since I got back and I'm exhausted

Haha tell me about it! There's always something to add or adjust

[prime dust]

i'd say go slep but i just woke up for no reason other than i already woke up like 2 or 3 times before this for something else and my brain went "you're up now"

[atomic hornet]

Oof that's the worst

[inner ether]

I mean fair enough I could of worded it better with how the staff doing but eh bit late for that

[atomic hornet]

No it was perfect c:

[inner ether]

I mean i can't wait for this as I loved hoenn and I love rayquaza

[atomic hornet]

As long as you dont expect rayquaza in the demo, it only goes to a certain point lol

[inner ether]

Darn

But no i don't expect it i know the demo isn't going to be very long i mean i added beta test role but now thinking im too stupid to be a beta tester XD

[atomic hornet]

That'll be of use again eventually lol

[inner ether]

Hopefully i can play it on steamdeck in terms of downloads unless it be an update to the existing game as a different start location

[dense cosmos]

Well, there goes my plans for defeating the fighting gym...
-# jk

[inland jewel]

they have confirmed that all alt-platforms will not be supported until the full release, it will be the same deal though of if it works it works, just tech support will not be able to help you try to make it work

[shy condor]

thats fine, im fine with it lasting just until groudon

[inner ether]

I mean i play pif on steamdeck just download then add non steam game

[inland jewel]

yeah and if that works thats good, if for soem reason the new game doesn't like that, Tech support will not be equipped to help solve issues

[inner ether]

I do get that

[prime dust]

it isn't an update to PIF, it is a separate new game

PIF is already near the map cap for rpgmaker...we can't really fit all of hoenn in with the remaining slots

[full badger]

TIL rpgmaker has a map cap

[inland jewel]

i mean, if they just tacked it onto the 1st game, you start doing Roxanne at around level 80...

[full badger]

Well yeah hoenn wouldn’t really fit in well with the existing PIF anyway lol

[severe spear]

we need to increase the pokemon level cap so that the difficulty can keep scaling beyond level 100

[undone stirrup]

No levels mode would be way better than higher level cap tbh

Unless you stretch movesets and evos which I doubt many people wish that

[dense cosmos]

Roxanne: oh boy, a new challenger! They surely have a level 10 pokemon by now!
Trainer who collected all 16 badges from a different land: (sends out a level 100 pokemon)

[prime dust]

that isn't possible

least for a fan game i don't think it is

if it were actually a romhack [like half the people on the internet seem to think it is] it'd be a different story since the tools for that are much more diverse

[severe spear]

maybe we can decrease the minimum level to below zero then

[prime dust]

same logic

not possible

[dense cosmos]

(Shows up to gym with level -100 pokemon)
(Gets 1 tapped due to being a negative level)

[full bison]

Or it would result in a hex overflow so it would actually have all the HP

[stray spear]

I think I should be in pif hoenn

[rancid nymph]

Sprite a fusion that’s in the game and you will be

[stray spear]

I already have,,, heh,,,,,,, I'm 7 steps ahead of u,

[sterile spoke]

Actually, it's really easily changed in Essentials, if I'm remembering rightly. There's a text box that's like "[LEVELCAP = 100]", and you can change the number. 😄

It's with a bunch of default settings like Poison doing damage outside of battle or badges giving stat boosts. 😅

[hushed axle]

I’d also argue that you can actually do more in a fangame than in a romhack since you can custom code literally anything and everything as long as you know how to do it within the constraints of ruby

[trail hull]

Pif hoenn is making every mon incompatible with pif1 by making the level cap 200

[inland jewel]

Make the game around a level 200 level cap, and you are SUPPOSED to transfer your mons from PIF 1 to play the game

or else your level 5 treecko gets bodied by a level 112 Nosepass 🙂

[prime dust]

hexedit is a thing

plus emerald has a full decomp available

[hushed axle]

I’d still argue you’re more limited in roms than a fangame even with those

[prime dust]

when i see types that don't directly interact with the type chart in a fan game, i will concede

[dense cosmos]

Null type.
It can't interact with anything, and is sad.

[prime dust]

less that, more like the Uno Reverse type or Type type ala Too Many Types

[rancid nymph]

AKA what the normal type should’ve been

[full bison]

Inverse battles have shown us where that would leave the Normal type and honestly it's better the way it is than that unbalanced mess

[rancid nymph]

Inverse battles gives it nothing but advantages (and 1 weakness to ghost types). I want it to be neutral against everything

[full bison]

Neutral matchups against everything still leaves it as one of the absolute best sweeping types cause it can hit absolutely everything eith unresisted STAB. Porygon-Z and both Ursalunas would become completely unbearable with that kind of firepower.

[severe spear]

unbearable

[low hawk]

is there any tenative release date for pif hoen?

[full plume]

What about a mirror type, reflects the one of the types and of the pokemon in front of it. Like half of a transform use but it's only the typing

[summer apex]

why?

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-wynaut-happy-jump-gif-17071241

[flint tiger]

it'll probably not have any weaknesses/resistances

cuz once you send out a mirror type pokemon, it'll immediantly change it's typing

[lament wedge]

Isn't Kekleon just mirror type because of it's ability camouflage?

[sudden sorrel]

Do we know when it's supposed to be released?

[flint tiger]

those multiple unnecessary reactions are telling you “check the pins in the channel, because I don’t know the answer myself, or I’m too lazy to tell you”

In the sense that one pin emoji was enough, not 8

I think it’s a pet peeve of mine when someone asks for something (when is pif hoenn?) and then the response is to tell them where to find the answer, and not just directly answering the question yourself.

[hexed agate]

It’s still the answer

But I totally get your frustration

[flint tiger]

yeah

And not like super angry or whatever

But it’s weird, ya know? You wouldn’t tell someone to look at a clock, you’d tell them the time.

[hushed axle]

When I was in school, there was a clock on the wall in every classroom. If I asked the teacher what time it was, she would tell me to look at the clock and read the time myself

[hexed agate]

It’s more like instead of telling someone an address, you just show them the map

They can then find many addresses beyond just the original one they were looking for

[hushed axle]

But there’s also the fact that when 30 people ask the same question, I’m not gonna repeat myself 30 times, I’m going to point them to where the answer is easily accessible

It’s the same with #tech-support when people don’t read the guides

[flint tiger]

yeah, that makes sense

[tender latch]

Could also give a bot a command to auto respond whenever anyone asks. 🤷🏻‍♂️

It is more fun to tell people to check the pins tho. Part of the culture.

[gray vine]

teach a man to fish, dont just give him fish, he will only come back again

[full bison]

Less "too lazy to tell you," more "sick of saying the exact same thing 3 or 4 times a day."

[ivory seal]

To them it’s the first time, to you it’s the daily slog of hearing it over and over again

[full bison]

If I wanted to answer the same questions over and over in the exact same fashion every single day, I would get a job in customer service

[dense cosmos]

actually, it is because we get the question asked hourly and do not need to type the same answer that can be read by scrolling up or checking pins.

[agile olive]

or searching the server lol

[uncut tangle]

Where my Hoenn at

[dense cosmos]

Hoenn left to go with sinnoh

[uncut tangle]

Solid choice, really

[atomic hornet]

here let me add a "key word" to the faq pin

[molten loom]

Great key words

[atomic hornet]

Do you think this helps?

Thank you +

[undone stirrup]

What will triple fusion boss of them game be

[full bison]

Pretty sure it's widely understood that it would be Kyodonquaza

Not necessarily confirmed, but there's not a lot else it could be

[prime dust]

regiregi maybe

or...the true test of all mortals

god/god/god

[full bison]

Amazing boss fight that would be. Send out a Fighting type to look at it the wrong way and it instantly dies

If we end up getting Wormadam at some point I think it would be funny if there was a sidequest where you could encounter a Wormadam triple fusion and catch it for use before other triple fusions are available

Not like a Wormadam triple fusion would be particularly game breaking

[prime dust]

it'd be interesting

because it'd be bug/grass/ground/steel

and my pokemon math can't figure out what level of fire weakness it'd have

it either reverts back to x4 or x2

[viscid fossil]

Assuming the types are divides as bug/[grass/ground/steel] and those types are accurately represented by the grass/ground/steel type, it would be x4

[molten loom]

Arceus bidoof omanyte, yeah a true challenge

[tender latch]

What about setting up a meeseeks to auto reply anytime someone types. “Hoenn release date” or something similar?

It sounds like the admin here really gets upset having to answer that question. Maybe a bot auto replying would ease that frustration?

[dense cosmos]

We just pin them
Much easier

[molten loom]

And more fun

[tender latch]

lol I agree it is more fun. But there seems to be a certain group of people in here who really get upset about it. I’m simply providing an option to ease frustrations.

[prime dust]

even if they had a bot autoresponse, people don't read

or perhaps can't read

[hushed axle]

There’s also 2 things to consider when we make a new autoresponse for yanmega

1. How useful is it gonna be in the long term?
2. Do we have the room for it?

To answer these for this scenario

1. It won’t be long term. Based on what Paya has given us, demo is releasing (hopefully) within the next couple months. So this autoresponse could only be active for a few weeks (up to a couple months, we don’t know)

2. YAG has a limit of 100 commands in a server. Last I checked we were at 94 commands with new ones on the todo list and hoenn specific responses (like how to get [whatever] still need to be added.

There’s also the super secret third thing to consider “how much work is it and do I feel like doing it?”

[dense cosmos]

If there is a "how to get hoenn mon" bot command, will it say both locations in pif 1 and pif hoenn or just get confused and choose pif 1 or hoenn location? 🤔

[hushed axle]

Dunno yet.

Probably say both but it’s gonna take a ton of work to add them

[molten loom]

yeah there's a bit to figure out with hoenn stuff, that's probably going to be a headache

[hushed axle]

The encounters are gonna be worse since there’s also a character limit per command and there’s like 3-4 commands just for encounters

Which means like everything is gonna have to get shifted to accommodate hoenn

[molten loom]

And there are some encounters like slowpoke, whose Kanto encounters are very long

[hushed axle]

That could be shortened to just “most bodies of water” tbh

Check the wiki for specifics lmao

[molten loom]

True

[hushed axle]

I should just learn how to make a discord bot

[full ether]

Ask Gastly

[prime dust]

i thought when adonis and i redid things there was a suggestion to shorten, where applicable, the route stuff

[molten loom]

You're busy enough

[hushed axle]

I don’t think I ever saw that tbh. Was probably when megaman was still manager

[full ether]

Megaman the Goat

[prime dust]

yeah

i think we ran it by him, and one of the mods

can't remember which one though

we also asked kiwi as well

hang on, lemme test

ah i see what happened, it was just for the wiki update

the bot is still using the full details

[queen matrix]

what is the map id for navel rock

[slim otter]

Not anywhere in Hoenn, that's for sure

[undone stirrup]

Also ultra technical

Is the "water and grass lag" in PE19 appearing so far?

Because Essentials 19 has a extra noticeable performance drop around water and that basically is whole point of hoenn

[tender latch]

It’s your show. Just trying to help alleviate frustration. 🤝🤝

[prime dust]

the demo will only go to slateport

and i think the water lag only really happens if you are surfing in it

so since you take a boat

[hushed axle]

From what I’ve seen in PIF1, it only happens on long play sessions and clears up when you restart the game. Demo doesn’t even have surf in it so we won’t know if it suffers the same fate until later on

-# unless you’re a stinky cheater

[atomic hornet]

Which admin?

[prime dust]

pst, I think their talking about you

[tender latch]

Pardon friend, I did have you in mind. I apologize if I misspoke for you : ^ )

[atomic hornet]

Haha gotcha 😂 I just woke up. Been pulling all nighters for hoenn

[tender latch]

🤢

Yo WHAT?! Lmao.

[ivory seal]

When is PIF Hoenn going to release, wrong answers only

[flint tiger]

right now

[civic reef]

PIF HOENN TOMORROW!! /j

[ivory seal]

Nah it comes out April 1st silly

[flint tiger]

it is not in the pinned messages

[ivory seal]

Clearly it comes out on Feburary 29th

[dense cosmos]

Year 1485

[kind gulch]

Its tomorrow, and when tomorrow comes, itll still come out tomorrow

[trail hull]

It’s coming tomorrow it wasn’t specified which one

[velvet root]

Its coming out 17th of April 2026

https://tenor.com/view/murder-drones-episode-1-clip-serial-designation-n-face-scary-gif-5561531541070161786

[fringe forge]

2042

trust.

[steady solstice]

Yesterday

[jovial karma]

Did the release date get announced i lowk forgot

Alr ty

[quaint yarrow]

In pokemon essentials, which is what infinite fusion is based on, changing type match ups, the name and even graphics they use is literally just a replacement in a list. You could make any type you want in like 10 minutes

They're essentially just big fancy text files that run Ruby code

You could even straight up remove types and all you'd have to do is ctrl + F replace in the relevant scripts, which are editable in and out of the engine

[prime dust]

yes, but can you make a type that doubles all type interactions
or reverses them

[quaint yarrow]

Ye

You just change the multipliers around

More specifically, you can theoretically just make extra weakness/resist clauses to call upon and they'd use that math instead

Iunno if the wording is completely correct, it has been a long time since I've opened essentials

[worn hamlet]

first thing i seen upon opening this place for the first time in weeks i am now severely dissapointed

[quaint yarrow]

I fell for it too dw

We should put them in too much water

[atomic hornet]

Testing things, and we have a wingull creepy pasta bug that broke the game

[tacit saddle]

HEELP IM STUCK IN WINGULL HELL

[analog belfry]

alright who tried to make a missingno/wingull fusion again
for the last time, trying to make the bird type real WILL have consequences

[dense cosmos]

What did I walk into?

[hushed axle]

Wingull hell

[dense cosmos]

Is it safe to use thunderbolt?

[full bison]

Can we see footage of that, cause it sounds amazing

[molten loom]

and it wasn't me this time

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/i-request-elaboration-white-vision-paul-bettany-wandavision-i-want-an-explanation-gif-22928362

[atomic hornet]

I'm surprised, its usually always you

[molten loom]

yet

not me yet

[tacit saddle]

It was me

[dense cosmos]

I like how the trainer looks at the kid, like he wants to verify he isn't seeing wingull in the void.

[full bison]

How did that Youngster get his hands on Ghetsis' eyepiece

[slim otter]

The Regi infection is spreading

[atomic hornet]

Right?? things got so borked

[dense cosmos]

The kid is sentient code. Destroy him!

[slim otter]

Why is your reaction to sentience to immediately destroy it

[rancid nymph]

That’s actually Ghetsis as a child who travelled through time

[dense cosmos]

Glados reasons

Is there a way to save sino from wingull hell?

[slim otter]

The Skitty knows the way

Find the true form of the Skitty, and you will find the way through the Wingull's curse

[fathom oasis]

I know that this is pokemon hoenn, but do u think mega evo will ever be in pokemon infinite fusion?
Imagine all mega for fusioned pokemon. It'll be so unique (and open up a lot of new sprite)

[sacred pagoda]

Nope

[gray vine]

you know who else knows the ways of skitty

[proud lion]

And then the Wingull jumped out of the scream with hyper realistic Magikarp in its beak.

[inner ether]

Curious if the pokemon chasing the professor changes overworld in randomised

[full bison]

Would've been hilarious to see Birch getting chased around by Arceus, but I get why a scripted sequence like that is best left unchanged

[fallen loom]

where is Dusk Lycanroc? Oh wait, it was cut due to a stupid minigame

where is Tough Claws? Oh wait, it doesn't get added because of a stupid minigame

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/womp-womp-gif-862196476376066006

[viscid fossil]

What stupid minigame?

[fallen loom]

the one where you guess the Pokémon for a Master Ball or something

[viscid fossil]

That doesn't change anything

[velvet root]

That wasnt the only reason tho

[viscid fossil]

You can be given a dawn lycanroc fusion and guess midnight lycanroc and it'll still count

Same with all the oricorios

[velvet root]

Bodywise its just Lycanroc dayform
Body fusions of it look no diffrent
Its not its own pokemon or significant enough to be added
Thats why we dont have battle bond Greninja

[velvet root]

Also why do you worry some day we have a tough claw rock type pkmn

[fallen loom]

there's literally only Binacle left

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/binacle-barbaracle-pokemon-anime-gif-1843617017963443781

[velvet root]

And?

Binacle is fun

[fallen loom]

1. Its stats are slightly different from Midday form
2. It learns more moves than Midday form
3. It has Tough Claws

[velvet root]

Just cuz its the stronger mon it should be in?

Then you can cry about Eternatus or so not being in

[fallen loom]

everyone should stop acting like it's like Flying Pikachu

[velvet root]

It basically is more a partner Pikachu situation

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-pinhead-larry-ugly-barnacle-story-gif-16181475

[fallen loom]

I never once said I wanted Eternatus in

[velvet root]

Like you dont scream "give us Partner Eevee and Pikachu cuz they are stronger"

[velvet root]

Its called a example

I even gave you a better and more fitting one

[fallen loom]

what is even your problem?

[velvet root]

Cuz the Lycanroc thing was discussed with you countless times iirc and at some point one should accept it

[fallen loom]

dude, I was venting

[velvet root]

yeah but you vent about that thing since Lycanroc was announced

[trail hull]

I'm sory , the minigame isn't the reason , it's more for sprite status. Like sprite manager decides the status , but due to the high similarity it might make the body fusion too strict for spriter to be main

I fear it might be the same for gastrodon

anyways guys , next month will be pif hoenn reveal 1st anniversary

it's crazy to thinka about

[velvet root]

Iirc Frog said Gastrodon gets its forms since he wants the gimmik of east form and west form

[velvet root]

True

[trail hull]

I know, still expressing a concern

[fallen loom]

Gastrodon doesn't matter because the stats and movesets don't even change

what

WHY

[velvet root]

Its likely a gamble for frog again
Either we have a Plusle and Minun situation of people just recoloring or people put in the work

[fallen loom]

also they could have replaced Midday for Dusk and given it Tough Claws or something instead of giving us the worst of the Rockruff line

[velvet root]

No cuz Midday and Midnight are Rockruffs original evos and significant to its lore
Dusk is just a mutation that was added for Ash

[fallen loom]

at least it exists in other games, unlike Ash Greninja

[velvet root]

yes and no

Its ability got changed into a stat boost ability and they just didnt care for the fanservice form

[crystal cosmos]

But I want Eternatus Shaking my smh my head

[dense cosmos]

Ultra-necrozma and eternatus would fuse and we all will be dead.
So no eternatus.

[crystal cosmos]

But…but… Eternabeam and cool colors

https://tenor.com/view/eternautus-eternamax-gif-24816948

Fusions would look so good with its palette

But alas, we can only count up to 7 in this discord

[viscid fossil]

I mean that's more than thrice as good as what gabe newell can accomplish

[quaint yarrow]

I can't wait for Professor Birch, after saving them from the Zigchyena, looks directly at the screen and says:

"This is what it's like to Pokémon Infinite Fusion, 2" and he fuses with an actual tree and is never seen again

[viscid fossil]

He actually fuses with a fir tree

Revealing the true name of the game to be pokemon infirnite fusion

[trail hull]

Wait since 2 fusions can have a different sprite now. That means it would be possible to set trainers fusions to have a specific sprites

[dense cosmos]

Make my trainer a velociraptor sprite and terrorize hoenn!

[sacred pagoda]

No it's random which sprite each pokemon uses

[trail hull]

if I recall correctly frog showed that 2 fusions of the same mon can now have different sprite

[velvet root]

We need more dino fusions

[sacred pagoda]

Bugtesting more Hoenn

[sacred pagoda]

I'm softlocked XD So no more bugtesting for me for now

[molten loom]

shh, they don't know about that area

[sacred pagoda]

It's normal hoenn layout

[dense cosmos]

First sino gets sent to wingull hell, now cheeto is soft locked.
What is going on with hoenn this weekend?

[molten loom]

Bug testing

[sacred pagoda]

🪲

[torn portal]

Is there a projected release date or release season?

Oh yeah duh thank you lol

[opal berry]

is there a demo out of this yet?

[compact orbit]

I love how there were two people asking about the release less than an hour apart from each other. Read the chat, people.

[full bison]

I guess wondering about the release and inquiring about the demo are 2 slightly different things, but still

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

[inner ether]

How are the staff doing today everything going good on the project?

Not asking about updates just on how the staff is doing mentally

[hushed axle]

We're exhausted (And I'm not even a hoenn dev )

[fringe forge]

thats a nice change of pace usually its just people asking "is hoenn out yet"
we need more of that

💔

[latent knoll]

cough jokingly when is it coming out

I joking

And know about the pins no need to spam 100 of them

[dense cosmos]

Well now I want to spam 100 of them

[sacred pagoda]

It's a tradition to attack the askers with pins

[latent knoll]

True

[inner ether]

Take a break have a kit kat

[full bison]

Apparently that ℹ️ emoji stands for "information source." So that was a happy little coincidence from just selecting the first 'I' emoji I found in the search

[latent knoll]

But that's a I that's confusing

[atomic hornet]

I can definitely say that I am so over fixing cobblestone and roofs. Other than that really good! ||We started our next round of QA with porygons|| and that takes a lot of pressure off. I'm watching them and riding the waves of their excitement and discorvery, while looking out for issues within my field. I can finally relax a bit, and focus on some things with the server that have been waiting for me

Once the server stuff is done, I need sleep

[prime dust]

don't worry, once the demo is out you'll likely be swamped again

because we can/will find things that are bugged [and possibly cause some ourselves]

[atomic hornet]

It would most likely be things in frog's area I can just watch the chaos

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/burning-office-spongebob-on-fire-gif-13729593

[molten loom]

Not if I find them first, I can find some obscure things

[prime dust]

fire...you under-estimate the power of a massive group of people

[molten loom]

except the ghosts, still no idea about the cause of that one

[sacred pagoda]

Fireswords good at finding the obscure shit

[atomic hornet]

This literally a clip of firesword going through the demo. She is the reason it's on fire

[sacred pagoda]

Meanwhile I'm great at finding crashes I was first to crash the game it was epic

[prime dust]

not disagreeing with that

more saying when you have a massive group of gamers with time to spare

we will find things

and break them

[atomic hornet]

I'm expecting an emergency hotfit within the first 1.5 hours of release

[prime dust]

ah yes, a hotfit...frog updates the game just to add in new clothes

[green laurel]

that late?
id say 30 mins, at most

[atomic hornet]

Gotta take time to consider frog's response time

[molten loom]

Id say like 5 minutes before release something goes wrong and requires a fix

[sacred pagoda]

Hotfit? That the new name for Maxie's team outfits?

[atomic hornet]

God dammit 😩

[sacred pagoda]

XD

[molten loom]

At least for future areas that cobblestone will be fixed for tilesets, and not need a fix later like the current ones

[atomic hornet]

For real, I love and hate that you pointed it out

[tender latch]

Does @atomic hornet know when Hoenn is being released?

[molten loom]

It gets held back by a day every time someone asks

[sacred pagoda]

Confirmed true that does happen

🙃

Trust

[hushed axle]

I can confirm that Paya does not know when Hoenn is being released

[tender latch]

AND THUS I CAN ASK AND BE FREE FROM PIN REACTIONS.

https://tenor.com/view/i-m-villain-gif-8105801559398118233

[tender latch]

Your erroneous pins have no power over me.

[crystal cosmos]

You sure about that

[quaint matrix]

And I'm the one holding it back

I consume bits and pieces of the code and cobblestones as Paya continues to work on them futilely

[tender latch]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-old-sad-disappointed-gif-14948634382298739554

[atomic hornet]

Ehhhh I have an inkling, but it depends on how many bugs the porygons find so far its more than I was expecting

[atomic hornet]

It was you so many random pixels breaking up the pattern

[quaint matrix]

Ah well yknow I gotta teach these people what happens after they got pinned to the nines

[hushed axle]

That's not a when

I have a rough idea too

Sometime between now and 12/31/2026 for the demo

[atomic hornet]

Sad I can't make my February 29th joke It's too late

[quaint matrix]

It's not too late

The next February 29th is 2 years from now

[hushed axle]

Pif hoenn full release Feb 29th 2032

[quaint matrix]

Lesssgoooooo

[quaint yarrow]

When you boot up PIF Hoenn it will ask you a sequence of random questions, and your starter will be based on what you answer. If you get them all right you get Magikarp, if you get 1 or more wrong you get magikarp

real

[velvet root]

Pokemon infinite mystery fused dungeon real?

[dense cosmos]

I can guarantee one of the complaints will be due to people not understanding what a demo is and think the game is fully released.

[hexed agate]

There's always 2028

[spiral musk]

PIF hoenn was released last year guys, idk who told you otherwise

[dusty arrow]

ello chat

[tender latch]

I’m going to rephrase my question as to not be so broad. Are there known issues or concerns when converting PIF into a .cia file?

[sterile spoke]

It's not a 3DS game. 😅

This also isn't the right channel to ask, it'd be #tech-support. 😮

[tender latch]

V true.

[prime dust]

?tag roms

[opal trail]

Infinite Fusion is NOT a rom, it is a fangame! Read below for more info on the differences.

Rom/ISO = A direct copy of a game taken from an official disc or cartridge. These require an emulator or official hardware to play.

Rom Hack = An edited version of a ROM/ISO. These usually require adding a patch to the original ROM/ISO. (ROM + Radical Red Patch = Radical Red Rom Hack) These require an emulator or official hardware to play.

Fan Game = A custom created game file with more freedom and variety than ROM Hacks. These use specific game engines, programs and files to build upon the official games base mechanics. [ex: Pokemon Infinite Fusion] These can not be played via an emulator or official hardware. Instead, it is a simple .exe (executable) file.

Remember! Resources to illegal content, including ROMs, is not allowed in the server as stated by Rule 6 of our #rules

[prime dust]

the known issue is, it don't work

[tender latch]

I’ll be sure to post my findings in the appropriate chat.

[prime dust]

there isn't one

[broken heart]

So Hoenn hit a wall in development?

[atomic hornet]

No?

[broken heart]

Sorry, misunderstood what was going on then.

[tender latch]

Are you aware that you can put .exe files on a 3ds that has homebrew software?

[sacred pagoda]

That's not the issue with converting. That .exe file requires all the 50000 files that come with it to function. Every visual, every action, has its own file

[tender latch]

I feel like we are all saying the same thing.

[prime dust]

no

[tender latch]

Yall are saying no one has done it. I’m saying it is possible to do, and I’ll let yall know what comes of it?

[molten loom]

Only the testers are hitting walls, sometimes going through them as well

[sacred pagoda]

Are you aware that you can put .exe files on a 3ds that has homebrew software?

Yes, we know you can. But converting a .exe into a .cia doesn't change it needs everything I have highlighted to work

[prime dust]

would it really need the requiredbyinstallerupdater folder?

[sacred pagoda]

Oh probably not

[prime dust]

but tomato potato

[sacred pagoda]

I thought I unclicked that lol

[prime dust]

its still a lot of stuff

[tender latch]

OOOOHHHH

https://tenor.com/view/friends-ross-geller-david-schwimmer-tv-series-american-sitcom-gif-17315839

That’s on me. I misunderstood you guys. Apologies for that! Thanks for clarifying.

[sacred pagoda]

It's fine!

[dense cosmos]

But are we safe from wingull hell? 🤔

[undone stirrup]

also doubt that 3ds is strong enough to run rpgmaker xp

switch might run it if you do stuff - is modding under rule 6 or another rule violation 😁

[sacred pagoda]

Nintendo doesn't like it when you mod the switch lol

[undone stirrup]

but yeah there is no way to get rpg maker xp (this is based off that right?) without annoying big company

[sacred pagoda]

Essentially

[hidden relic]

Yeah it was shadow dropped didn't you know? I've been playing it the whole time

[solemn reef]

how do you access it

[fringe forge]

unless you have a time machine
you cant

[solemn reef]

how do you get that

[sacred pagoda]

Are you being serious or going with the joke

I can't tell

[solemn reef]

my bad i just realized

[sacred pagoda]

XD

[fringe forge]

[rancid nymph]

Do the following steps in PIF1:
Step 1: Move an evolution stone to the top of your bag. It doesn’t matter what kind, but you can only have one of that particular evolution stone on hand.
Step 2: Surf on any body of water and toss the evolution stone while surfing.
Step 3: Encounter a wild Pokémon in that same body of water and KO it with an electric type move.
Step 4: Get a berry from every berry bush in the game.
Step 5: Get your Pokémon that KOed the Pokémon in step 3 poisoned.
Step 6: Before taking a step, nickname the poisoned Pokémon the exact number of steps it will take you to get to the Saffron city gym. Then, you must walk there without letting your Pokémon faint from poison damage. You can’t heal the poison, and you can only heal your HP with berries you got from step 4. If you were off by even a single step, you have to start over.
Step 7: Get your Pokémon from step 6 KOed by any fire type move. If it is KOed by any other method, you’ll have to start over.
Step 8: Go into mt. Moon and have your fainted Pokémon from step 7 use dig to get you out of the cave.

If you do all of this, you’ll be able to play test PIF Hoenn… ||when the demo comes out ||

(On the off chance you’re being serious, THIS IS A JOKE)

[solemn reef]

i might be dumb but im not THAT dumb

[inland jewel]

become staff 🙂

[undone stirrup]

Porygon*

Actually why I don't apply for Porygon

[hushed axle]

Staff have access to the porygon chat. Also Porygon apps are currently closed

[undone stirrup]

Damn

Will they be opened anytime?

[hushed axle]

Not before the demo, no.

[undone stirrup]

So there would still be something new to try when they are open (and I apply (and get accepted))

[hushed axle]

Maybe. But I'm not gonna accept you as a Porygon if the only thing you want is early access to demos. You still need to be actively helping people in #tech-support as that's the job of the role

[undone stirrup]

I thought tech support and tester was different

[hushed axle]

No, porygons are #tech-support

There is no dedicated beta/demo tester helper role, it’s part of the porygon role to ensure the team knows about bugs and how to handle them before the updates/demos are released to the general players.

[prime dust]

...

[prime dust]

man this must just not exist then

[hushed axle]

That's not a helper role.

I specified helper role

[prime dust]

semantics

[hushed axle]

They are very different but sure

[prime dust]

i know they are, busting your chains a bit

go back to whatever you were doin

[inland jewel]

The reason why Porygons have access is due to them finding bugs and familiarizing themselves with it, the game itself isn't in a playable state for Beta Testing

its why they haven't pinged Beta Testers yet

and wy we got so many porygons posting about their bug filled misadventures like the Wingull of the Void

[summer apex]

I think I should be given beta access because I am very cool and special

also, I'll be putting a curse on a randomly selected porygon for every day that my demands are not met

[inland jewel]

help 100 people in #tech-support and then mayhaps

[summer apex]

I've helped 100 people in #gameplay-help and people treat that like tech support all the time

[inland jewel]

ehh idk about that

[summer apex]

I'm very helpful! I tell them to go to #tech-support
-# and make it someone else's problem

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/the-audacity-the-grinch-jim-carrey-how-the-grinch-stole-christmas-the-nerve-gif-18820303

[inland jewel]

[atomic hornet]

Never

[quaint yarrow]

I can be trusted with the demo trust, I'll keep it safe

[proud lion]

Who thinks the next Fusion Month addition will be the monkeys?

[sacred pagoda]

If they add the hear/see/speak no evil monkeys before they add the G5 starters I won't be happy lol

[uncut tangle]

April is right around the corner...

Be a shame if

Someone fooled us with monkeys

[slim otter]

What if we get both at once
Since the monkey trio was meant to cover your starter's weaknesses

[crystal cosmos]

https://www.fusiondex.org/aipom+dugtrio/

[slim otter]

They're cute
Lil hand puppets

[inland jewel]

Frog should totally add a poll to ask for which mons people DONT want just so he knows to keep them in mind as final final additions to the game

[full bison]

Considering what happened with Bruxish, the likely conclusion of that would be Frog adding a bunch of the ones people don't want as troll additions

[proud lion]

Or a popularity poll that ends up being Opposite Day and choosing the least votes

[slim otter]

I can say that telling everyone we're having a community-voted addition and then adding the one the community wants the least is a good way to end up with a riot

[dense cosmos]

Good news, the one I want the least is in gen 8.

[hushed axle]

I want meowscarada with flower trick

[analog belfry]

is it a hot take to say to say that pretty much any new mon addition is good in my book?
like sure i got preferences, but each new species is a new 500+ toys to play with

[hushed axle]

Best take tbh

[analog belfry]

~~even if luvdisc is always the worst toy in the box, at least i have the option of using it ~~

[hushed axle]

I did a full luvdisc run actually

[summer apex]

pepper spraying you rn

[hushed axle]

#hall-of-fame message

[hushed axle]

HEY

What I do with my game files is my business

[summer apex]

uhh nuh uh

?tag rule23

[opal trail]

Rule 23. Any modifications to the game's code (that includes mods, edited gamefiles and "cheats") voids your support ( ⁠tech-support / ⁠gameplay-help )

[analog belfry]

https://klipy.com/gifs/hannibal-true

[hushed axle]

I am tech support

[summer apex]

and I'm gameplay help

but you don't see me editing my files!
-# or playing the game at all

[dark canopy]

devs gen 8 mons pretty please🥺

[hushed axle]

Frog won't add anything gen 8+

[dark canopy]

gen 9 all looks too cutesy

gen 8 could have had some mean fusions

[crystal cosmos]

It’s an engine limitation, not a personal choice

[dark canopy]

ahh fairfair

[dense cosmos]

Gen 13 is on a Friday the 13th.
All horror theme.
-# jk, but it would be interesting

[dark canopy]

but the way they added just a few gen 7 mons over time or a couple of mons with an update, do you think they would ever do that?

[sacred pagoda]

There's always the chance of mons up to G7 to be added but aside from Tynamo, Woobat, and Skrelp lines everything being added with the Hoenn release is what's missing of the G3 dex

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[latent knoll]

G3 dex?

[pulsar totem]

i just evolved my pawniard into bisharp only to find out that there is no kingambit :(

🥹

[trail hull]

Gen3 dex

[undone stirrup]

ohdex

actually new hoenn dex since sinnoh evos are also in (like budew or magnezone) no?

[trail hull]

They were already in

The only crosggen that wasn’t in the first pif is chingling

[undone stirrup]

so yeah oras dex

[latent knoll]

Ahh

[inland jewel]

not all mons found in Oras is going to be added to the game

its more, the emerald Dex

[proud lion]

Maybe they will impliment the ORAS Dexnav lines at some point?

Not right now, but down the line. Maybe close to the official release.

[hexed agate]

I'm hoping we get Agumon in

[proud lion]

I'm more hoping for Jibanyan.

[hexed agate]

https://tenor.com/view/beyblade-beyblade-x-phoenix-phoenix-wing-gif-9868574315699559670

This could be the next step

[inland jewel]

well that would mean the next dex update would be mainly frog's/mod's choice, and take up all 40~ slots if he does specilize only the dexnav mons

[proud lion]

I wouldn't mind if the next update would be another purely Frog/Mod's choice.

Let them have their fun. And do a little feesh trolling

[hexed agate]

Legend has it that if you make all the sprites for a single Pokémon, it gets instantly added

[inland jewel]

well they gotta stop nuking my non-if glameow thread then

[proud lion]

A mix of popular and niche choices.

[hexed agate]

Glameow is one of my personal hopes for Hoenn

Idc about the mon all that much, but I want to play with a concept

[prime dust]

frog already said he might throw another phimsch into the ring

that will prob happen after the demo is out tho

[velvet root]

Legends say that my Goat team go(a)t rostet for making so many fusions cuz "why add it if all fusions are already done"

[velvet root]

Or secret demo mon like trubbish back then

[molten loom]

#hall-of-fame message I also did a luvdisc run, a little different though

and mainly because sino cheated his luvdisc solo run

[hexed agate]

The fusions are for the players, so

[velvet root]

I know

[sterile spoke]

I know for a fact that DexNav logic is being considered to some extent. For Remix Mode, it certainly is. 😄

[proud lion]

🗣️ We getting Bert and Ernie fusions with this one

[wicked heath]

Figuring out how much mons we'd get if all the ORAS Dexnav mons are implemented

[sterile spoke]

I think Pidove was near the bottom of the unofficial most-wanted survey I ran. Considering middle form regional birds always struggle, I doubt people would flock to making Tranquil fusions. 😂

[sterile spoke]

Of those, I think Dwebble, Deerling, Cubchoo and Elgyem might be the most likely. Clauncher, Sewaddle and Gothita would be nice in the sense that their counterparts are already in, though. 🙂

[trail hull]

finneon has some really good potential too

[hexed agate]

Dwebble is awesome

[full bison]

Clawitzer did pretty well in the fusion day voting. The whole "huge gun" thing combined with Dragalge's inclusion will probably give it a bit more of a chance of getting in

[dense cosmos]

If clawitzer does get added, I'm asking for a clawitzer/scizor fusion with 2 huge gun arms.
(Or just 1)

[viscid fossil]

Shellos actually gives us 4

[full bison]

I would be asking for a Clawitzer/Magmortar fusion where it has one absolutely massive Gatling gun claw that shoots boiling water

[velvet root]

Do we know if Pyroar would be seperated in 2 forms or not?

[summer apex]

@tacit saddle slander? And it's not ME saying it?

never thought I'd see the day

[tacit saddle]

IT WASN'T A RUN I NEVER COUNTED IT AS A RUN

YOU PEOPLE WILL NEVER LEAVE ME ALONE

[summer apex]

idk

sounds like cheating to me

[tacit saddle]

Sends her

[summer apex]

bigfoot?

[inland jewel]

one form

ah yes the obligatory dragon addition

[craggy nexus]

Unlikely since fusions loose the gender and both pyroar have the same stats and type

[velvet root]

True

I mean I know some gender based mons were said to be seperate same for gimmik skin mons

[craggy nexus]

We should just use mega pyroar design for both genders

[craggy nexus]

Yes frog confirmed that gastrodon is going to have both (for now) forms

[inland jewel]

If Meowstic gets in, its due to both sides having different abilities/stats as opposed to due to them having visual differences

and gastrodon is due to the lore for them, not because they look different

if you could only find Male Pyroars only in hot climates, then that would be different

[prime dust]

actually they have the same stats

abilities you are correct on though

but male and female meowstic have the exact same stat spread

[inland jewel]

i was thinking about indeedee

where hte female is more defensive while the male is more offensive

[prime dust]

odd to think about indeedee since...we can't have it

[inland jewel]

i confused Indeedee's gimmick with Meowstic

since i remember meowstic had differences aside from JUST the visual stuff

[full bison]

I stand by that nobody would remember Indeedee if it didn't get Psychic Surge.

[rancid nymph]

Heck I don’t remember Indeedee with it getting psychic surge

[velvet root]

I like Indeedee

[upper marsh]

what is pif hoenn? an update or is it a new game?

[fringe dove]

Hoenn

[upper marsh]

well i figured that part out...

[dense cosmos]

New separate game similar to this one, but in hoenn

[upper marsh]

bummer, i was hoping wed get new regions in the original game, world map style

[dense cosmos]

No, the map is too small for that

[upper marsh]

well yeah, thats why i wanted it, i wanted a map expansion

i dont wanna abandon my team

[full bison]

You can transfer Pokémon between the games

#dev-updates message

[rancid nymph]

Chat, pin this man

[upper marsh]

why 😭

[sacred pagoda]

Check the pinned FAQ

[upper marsh]

jesus christ im not stupid, ik where pins are

[atomic hornet]

Not everyone does.

[severe spear]

wow this bot is advanced, it can even post screenshots

[rancid nymph]

Ah yes, Payapon, my favourite bot

[atomic hornet]

And there is literally not enough space. We're at a hard limit for maps within rpg maker, so this had to be a sperate project

[tender latch]

Hey that’s a really cool fact! That’s definitely a feather in the cap of the dev team.

[flint tiger]

sounds like that if we just delete some of the existing maps, we can add in new ones

[viscid wren]

Maps that the game needs to function

I doubt theres many if any maps at all that could be scrapped

[flint tiger]

but if there were maps that could be scrapped?

[viscid wren]

Not remotely enough to make an entire region

Plus PIF Hoenn is gonna feature a LOT of other cool mechanics and what not

Im sure it is leagues easier to pull off the stuff they have showcased starting from a new project

[flint tiger]

and i'm sure it'll be fun to play

omega ruby was a good game back in the day 10 year ago

because i did not play the originals

[viscid wren]

PIF Hoenn sounds like the most ideal pokemon game for me that is physically possible ngl

I am super hyped

[flint tiger]

tho if we talking about favorite games

i guess it'll be PIF Alola or PIF Galar let's not continue this conversation in this specific channel :V

[flint tiger]

it'll be fun to play the new game

[viscid wren]

Bold to assume those are ever gonna happen lol

[flint tiger]

i can gurantee that those aren't gonna happen

and ya wanna know why?

[atomic hornet]

[flint tiger]

Is there anyone that's going to prove me wrong, and PIF Alola or PIF Galar actually will happen?

[sacred pagoda]

Well we don't want Paya going insane

She already works hard on Hoenn

[atomic hornet]

Pfffffffffffffft not unless you wanna personally fund it

[viscid wren]

Lmao

[rancid nymph]

And if you do, we'll probably be shut down

[sacred pagoda]

Make a deal with Nintendo to fund it XD

[rancid nymph]

https://giphy.com/gifs/TheSwoon-netflix-swoon-theswoon-qbO3G72a7tBvHzxpg9

[sacred pagoda]

Maybe

[molten loom]

Think a deal with the devil would have less conditions and be less dangerous

[viscid wren]

Honestly, the funny part is it would be one of nintendos best investments

[sacred pagoda]

True

Nintendo is just Allister

[full bison]

Galar doesn't even really feel like a region that lends itself well to the mapping styles of the sprite games

[atomic hornet]

If anything, the next one should be PIF Johto. I hear Olivine and Cianwood would exist in this universe

[molten loom]

Don't take the shuckles home away

[viscid wren]

Cianwood City, my beloved

[sacred pagoda]

Are there actually any plans to update pif1 with those or have I been fucking lying to people XD

[rancid nymph]

Hear me out: PIF Fiore

PIF Almia

[atomic hornet]

I'll add more shucke, frog cant stop me 😤

[rancid nymph]

PIF Oblivia

[molten loom]

Frog has said he has plans for them, but not for a while

[atomic hornet]

we do, route 111

[sacred pagoda]

Valid

[atomic hornet]

Yep! I revamped the maps, there are just a bunch of in between maps to do too. Top priority is hoenn though

[sacred pagoda]

Gotcha, makes sense

[viscid wren]

Thats right, I forgot about that

[sacred pagoda]

I wanted to make sure I wasn't giving people false info when I told them "There are plans but it's not priority at the moment" XD

[viscid wren]

Been too long since I checked in on this server lol

[atomic hornet]

We would also have to fill it in with quests, npcs, and stuff like that too. I already finished route 37(?) so its really the whirl islands thats a pain in the ass

not that I'm giving you exclusive behind the scenes secrets or anything

[sacred pagoda]

Not at all

[viscid wren]

Whirl Islands, bleh

My least favorite part of johto other than dark cave

[rancid nymph]

Route 37 is OBVIOUSLY the route south of Ecruteak. Geez, what kind of Pokémon fan wouldn't know that

[atomic hornet]

Shhh, then its 38. Close enough lol

Oh wait, 39 is done too. It really is the whirl islands and allllll of the floors of all 4 caves

[rancid nymph]

Question is, what're we gonna do with the wirl islands since Lugia is found on navel rock

[atomic hornet]

yep that's a thing. I want him to go back home, but that would cause issues. So ultimately don't know yet

[rancid nymph]

Could put Xerneas and Yveltal there or something

[atomic hornet]

We'll have to see in the far future after hoenn

[crystal cosmos]

Put Luigi there instead

Close enough

Or put Simispark there

[viscid wren]

Just put a stunfisk

[crystal cosmos]

Pyukumuku/Stunfisk

[flint tiger]

why can’t we just scrap PIF Hoenn and instead work on PIF Alola or PIF Galar? there is no “we”, because I am not working on PIF Hoenn

[civic reef]

Nah, PIF Z-A

[flint tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/office-no-gif-26506049

[viscid wren]

Are you guys excited for Lets Go PIF

It'll be like og PIF but worse!

[full bison]

Eeveelutions on their way to the banlist with the implementation of the Partner Eevee moves

[craggy nexus]

galar is never going to happen but alola would make some sense as hoen post game both are tropical base

[flint tiger]

then I was right to guarantee that PIF Galar ain’t gonna happen

but if I’m somehow wrong, then that would mean that PIF Galar will happen, as I’m saying that it won’t happen

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1459930747547815946.webp?size=56

[leaden atlas]

planned release of pif hoenn?

[flint tiger]

there is no planned release of PIF Hoenn

https://tenor.com/view/ba-sing-se-gif-20976912

[inland jewel]

they plan to release it

the time exactly of when they release it though.....

the best guestimate is sometimes after 2027

[sacred pagoda]

The release date is-

Cheeto's PC.exe has stopped responding

[dense cosmos]

WyvernStorm.exe is buffering trying to figure out how to tech support

[atomic hornet]

I can say that the demo, which is like... the first 3rd of the game, will be within the next 2-3 months. Full release? Who knows, development takes a long time and its volunteer work

[green laurel]

i think the demo drops April 20th

[crystal cosmos]

Frog should drop it April 1st so no one knows if it’s an April Fools joke or not

[viscid wren]

Thats way sooner than I thought it would be, ya'll must be working quite hard

[sacred pagoda]

Everyone's working hard to make sure ya'll have a fun time

I meant to boot it up for more testing but I got distracted by Ditto

[summer apex]

you know what I've always hated about this scene?

The light on the guy doesn't actually follow the candle's position

it's a small thing and I don't think the animators should have been expected to do the lighting perfectly but it's always bugged me ever since I noticed it
-# (and now you all have to notice it too)

[undone stirrup]

Well gen 8 can happen, just not anytime soon

Checklist

• Is hoenn out and complete (no)
• Did frog get angry at messy code or wanted more recent stuff and decided to upgrade to a newer PE (no)

[trail hull]

If it drops in april it should drop on the 23rd , as a 1 year anniversary celebration

[undone stirrup]

Bully is going to drop before Hoenn 😭

[hexed agate]

Does Bully have the gen 3 dex?

[undone stirrup]

It has even unreleased dex

[hexed agate]

Lies and slander

Where the proof at

[hexed agate]

[undone stirrup]

"uh yeah my favourite unreleased Pokemon is God's Country"

[viscid fossil]

Where's mikon

[undone stirrup]

They didn't leak that album yet

[tropic dew]

Definitely wondering what kind of gimmicks unique to PIF: Hoenn might end up in the final product versus what might end up being cut... PIF:H feels like it's going to be very feature-rich beyond what we already know is being added to enrich the experience.

[prime dust]

i mean as long as the item doesn't pose too much of an issue to keep in the game, it will likely stay

[velvet root]

I wonder if some features go over to pif 1

[tropic dew]

eh... doubtful

[prime dust]

we already know the transfer box will

[sacred pagoda]

PIF: Hoenn has a huge QOL menu that I am praying Frog migrates over to base PIF

[hexed agate]

Good to know, I'll be working against it

No QoL in my Pokémon game

[sacred pagoda]

haha

[flint tiger]

get rid of every healing item

and instead have a universal healing item that heals 1 hp

so you have to buy a bunch of them to fully heal your pokemon

[viscid fossil]

Finally

I don't have to worry about wasting a super potion on something only missing 59 hp

[hexed agate]

Nah, you have one item that instantly blacks you out and that's your only healing

Best part is that it's alreadu introduced!

[flint tiger]

the game will also add semi-realism, though there's probably a better way to explain what i mean

but let's say you fuse a gyarados with a charizard

it's gonna be in constant agony, because the fire from the charizard half is drying out the gyarados half

and the gyarados half is dousing the flames of the charizard half

[quaint vale]

Day 1 of not cutting my hair until PIF Hoenn releases

[atomic hornet]

What if I said there was a feature related to this I've said too much

[sacred pagoda]

How dare you tell them that much!

[atomic hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-witch-laugh-evil-laugh-snow-white-bye-gif-15709261

[flint tiger]

i ain't gonna use it, so don't worry

[trail hull]

auto heal after every battle confirmed

[sacred pagoda]

I can confirm that is not what Paya's talkin bout :P

[trail hull]

I'm excited for pif hoenn full release , I'm sure the game will blow up

[atomic hornet]

full release won't be for a looooooong time. I would just be excited for the demo for now

[trail hull]

nah the demo is the full release , source : my dad works at pifh

[undone stirrup]

Piffendo

[trail hull]

I know who number 573 is

[prime dust]

i can wait for both, i have games to occupy me

worst case scenario i go play skyrim for the 50 bajillionth time and I swear I won't end up being a stealth magic archer...again

[viscid wren]

you know you will

[prime dust]

oh i do

it might start different

[viscid wren]

If we get a pokevial type of deal for PIF Hoenn thatd be sick

[prime dust]

but that is how all saves wind up

[tender latch]

I hope yall have a terrible day. 🤝🤝

[sacred pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-trainer-blue-trainer-pokemon-lets-go-gif-2034879562100081138

[echo drum]

We talking years or months long time?

[sacred pagoda]

The demo was anounced last year and is only about 1/5 of the way done

I think

More like 1/4

[atomic hornet]

For the demo, within the next few months and its roughly the first 3rd of the game

For the full release? Definitely not months. I'm gonna be real with you guys, its unclear since development isn't putting food on our tables, and going so hard on this has definitely implicated our real lives, especially Frog we love this game so much and put everything into it for you guys, but after the demo drops, development needs to slow down considerably for us to survive in the real world. If there were a way to be able to take donations we would love that, but unfortunately that's not the case, as far as we're aware. We'll keep working on it of course, but we will never rush

[viscid wren]

Donations would just get the game shut down so hard, please do not push yourselves too hard we care and appreciate what you do for us❤️

[tender latch]

^

Agreed. All nighters for a passion project is crazy.

[atomic hornet]

I appreciate it! It's been a worry lately. We were actually planning on the demo releasing sooner in February, but decided that we wanted to give you guys a decent amount of more content, especially since we don't know when the next part drops. We don't know if we want to release a demo part 2 that goes further, or release the full game, but it's in the talks. Either way after the demo drops, we need a break

Oh yeah, for the past 3ish weeks I've been up until 6am working

[tender latch]

There’s nothing I have ever done in life that has compelled me to stay up all night working.

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-inc-sully-you-go-to-sleep-go-to-sleep-go-to-bed-gif-22295511

[atomic hornet]

and when I finished my own parts of the project, I started working on more hairstyles, because I wanted to make people happy

[viscid wren]

This is why I fear and respect you guys greatly, I can barely make it past 10 pm on an easy day

[tender latch]

Paya I swear when I play the game I’ll actually change how my character looks just to appreciate your efforts.

[viscid wren]

I will 100% the demo

[atomic hornet]

That's how much we love this! Frog doesn't have the same physical capability to stay up as late, but even he is putting in very late nights as well, for what his body will allow 😂 he wakes up with a ton of messages from me about new things I want to put in the game. He regrets making me a dev for sure haha

[atomic hornet]

Thank you 🥺

[tender latch]

🤝

[tender latch]

Best of luck to yah. Pls don’t spoil for those that don’t play the demo : )

[atomic hornet]

Ngl, its hard figuring out more masculine hairstyles, but I'm trying to keep my eyes out

[tender latch]

I’d rock feminine hair 🤷🏻‍♂️

Umm. Just curious. How many hair styles are we talking about here?

[viscid wren]

Of course, I hate spoilers

[flint tiger]

mohawks are prob masculine

[rancid nymph]

I’ll go bald

[tender latch]

GIMME A MULLET

😬

[viscid wren]

Rock a mullet

[flint tiger]

you can prob also steal the hairstyles that masculine trainers have

wally's hair? ✂️ red's hair? ✂️ blue's hair? ✂️

[atomic hornet]

That I've submitted since I finished my npc work? uhhhhhhhh including ||gym leader hairs||, I'd say 11ish? I'm working on #12 right now

[tender latch]

Jeeeeeeez.

[flint tiger]

we gotta have a mullet hair option and cutoff jean shorts

[viscid wren]

Mullet with a greaser jacket

[tender latch]

Lowkey feeling TERRIBLE that I never cared about the character style options PIF has. 😵‍💫

[atomic hornet]

I made a mullet sometime last year!! Don't know if its in game yet. And someone more recently made a second mullet that looks so sick compared to mine (Mine was a mistake during making brendan's hair and I made it into its own thing )

[tender latch]

Love the effort tho!

[atomic hornet]

Next update will have then both at the very least

[flint tiger]

you can also change your eye color, but it's more of a cheat

just take the forward facing character sprite, then have different eye color on the hair layer or something

[atomic hornet]

I'm trying to put that in the works, but there's a lot more coding that goes into that one, and Frog is so tired

[trail hull]

Masculine hair cut would be nice but it’s hard since a lot of them looks similar

[tender latch]

Give me male pattern baldness. 🤝

IN GAME I MEAN

[atomic hornet]

but I did fix a bug where the trainer sprite vs overworld had different eye colors, so I fixed that for hoenn. I need to do the same for base pif when I have time

[atomic hornet]

well..... I made wattson's hair so there you go

and kurt too