pif-hoenn-discussion

[clear lichen]

I feel like more people would hate it for that exact same reason

I dont think I know a single person who likes facing Alomomola competitively

[hushed axle]

That one’s a lot too

But not as many as

[clear lichen]

OK but at least any Primeape can evolve into Annihilape usually

[fathom basalt]

ok how many of these do you think are meme posts though lol

[full bison]

We really need to have a tag reminding people that Gen 8+ Pokemon can't be added

[clear lichen]

Base Farfetch'd can't even evolve into Sirfetch'd

[viscid fossil]

I wish

(oops ping)

[hushed axle]

Not as many as you’d hope

[clear lichen]

Like ignoring the no Gen 8+ mons

[full bison]

How many for Girafarig

[hushed axle]

None, nobody likes it

[viscid fossil]

girafarig is perfect the way it is

[clear lichen]

It's Farigirover

[viscid fossil]

(i'm totally not biased because it was my first shiny, no)

[clear lichen]

How about Dunsparce?

[hushed axle]

Y’all can search this on your own

[clear lichen]

True!

[hushed axle]

But there’s no more funny fish for fishmas

Altho actually

[clear lichen]

128?

[hushed axle]

Give us a single gen 8+ mon

[clear lichen]

That's a lot higher than I expected

[hushed axle]

https://tenor.com/view/dondozo-hello-chat-pokemon-gif-1859592209133672730

Make it this fucking thing

[clear lichen]

Tbf some of these are probably not related to IF

But a lot of them are

[full bison]

Showdown would go insane over Dozo

[rancid nymph]

What about Basculin?

[clear lichen]

At least from what I saw

[hushed axle]

Basculin has its place, I like it tbh

[clear lichen]

Dozo would fucking end Showdown

[hushed axle]

He just looks so dumb

[fathom basalt]

i feel like you open the floodgates to requests for more gen 9 stuff if you do that, but yeah, that ones cool

[hushed axle]

The fusions for it would go hard tho

[clear lichen]

Basculin is unironically like actually pretty decent competitively in lower tiers, but there's no lower tiers in PIF Showdown from what I know

That said it'd certainly work for a playthrough

[hushed axle]

Oh 100%

[clear lichen]

Well, assuming anyone uses it, Baaculin isn't popular

Would be more effective than Camerupt though!

(Sorry Camerupt)

[hushed axle]

And then we get everyone asking how to get basculegion

[viscid fossil]

white stripe basculin
Literally just basculin but it gets eviolite despite not evolving

[clear lichen]

You're cooking

[fathom basalt]

although its sort of just a big whiscash?

[full bison]

That moment when Dondozo's Order Up move means technically if it and Tatsuguri were added, Tatsuguri would need to take up 3 slots cause the Three forms interact differently

[viscid fossil]

still makes more sense than shellos getting 2 slots

[full bison]

Artists would despise that almost as much as Wormadam

[fathom basalt]

basculin's capture rate is seriously annoying. like its not even good to justify it

[hushed axle]

Better than beldum

[rancid nymph]

Keep that stupid, cowardly, thieving fish out of this game

[hushed axle]

It’s decided, that’s the fishmas trollfish

Weavile hates it

[clear lichen]

All I'm gonna say is if I was held at gunpoint to pick between Basculin, Camerupt and Lumineon, I'm picking Basculin

[hushed axle]

It’ll be his starter in Hoenn

[clear lichen]

A lot of these middling BST Water types get underestimated pretty hard

Qwilfish is another

Qwilfish is quite literally better than Walrein usually

Which is hilarious to me

[fathom basalt]

base stats aren't everything, yeah. moves, abilities or typing can make up for bad stats

[clear lichen]

The true troll fish would definitely be specifically Basculin White Stripe

Because it's a Gen 8+ mon

While being an inferior version of the 2 other Basculins

[full bison]

Wishiwashi but it absolutely needs Schooling to change forms while fused and is thus borderline useless

[clear lichen]

It'd be the perfect troll

[hushed axle]

Wishiwashi would 100% need its form which would likely work similarly to necrozma and probably be a pain to deal with

[zenith token]

I think we can have one line from gen 8, but that's the Thievul line

[full bison]

I would take Thievul as our Stakeout Mon over the only option for that ability using only 1-7 mons

[viscid fossil]

Thievul would be one of my favorite mons if the shiny was bright orange with blue accents

[atomic hornet]

There's one that I know of for sure, that's not in the originals

[sudden jackal]

Hai Paya!

[atomic hornet]

[hushed axle]

[sudden jackal]

Hi saph

[hushed axle]

-# I’ve been here

[atomic hornet]

shhhh

hows it going?

[hushed axle]

I’m debating if I want to work on my own project, find more bugs in PIF, or play games and do nothing productive

[sudden jackal]

I watched goosebumps with my mum earlier and now I'm researching assassination classroom

[atomic hornet]

sprite with me

[hushed axle]

I’m not a spriter paya

[atomic hornet]

not with that attitude!

[sudden jackal]

A klefki could fix that real quick

[atomic hornet]

I'd say probably take a break cause you've been working hard

[hushed axle]

-# paya throws the role on me out of spite

[sudden jackal]

She would

-# she should

[atomic hornet]

Spite? Me? never 😏

[hushed axle]

Shiiiiiiiiiit

I gotta finish the guidelines doc

That’s a lot of work, I’m not doing that rn

[atomic hornet]

nahhhh

[hushed axle]

Can’t say I don’t know the guidelines, I was going through them for five hours on Friday

[atomic hornet]

its a lot

[hushed axle]

I actually need you whenever you’re free to check the main/alt section since it’s basically entirely re-written and I wanna make sure there’s no mistakes

[atomic hornet]

sure, I can pop over there

[hushed axle]

My PIF workspace

[trail hull]

Simple , do a pif projects that adds gen 8 mins and try to find the bugs it created

[raw grove]

Will hoenn be a diffrent game, or more of an expansion?

[trail hull]

Different Game

[atomic hornet]

#announcements message

[trail hull]

First time seeing 2k reaction on something

[next flare]

Charge your phone

[trail hull]

When I go to sleep

[viscid fossil]

go to sleep

[gray stream]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/395646588682240020/1333705243481083924/Spinning_Fish.gif

[hexed agate]

Norman aurafarms you in PIF:Hoenn btw

I also apparently killed Wally

[gray stream]

PIF Hoenn spoilers

[split gorge]

wait please tell me they aren't doing hoenn in rpgmaker right

[viscid fossil]

Would doing hoenn in rpg maker be fine if that meant you could transfer Pokémon between the games seamlessly

[split gorge]

I mean

do you want the truth

I feel like switching to another engine in exchange for traading pokemon to each game would be very worth it

I'm not gonna hate the game if it's in rpgm

I just felt like the entire new game would've been a great opportunity for a change

maybe if we ever get a sinnoh game yk

plusits not my game anyways

[hexed agate]

where am I?

[quaint matrix]

Pokemon Essentials is just a lifesaver for pokemon fangames you can't really get away from RPGM XP

[split gorge]

yeah like I said I'm not the owner

hell I've never made a pokemon game

[quaint matrix]

That being said the specific code Frog does for PIF is also kinda fucky which is why even though Pokemon Essentials now have the capability to add new gen mons from 8 and 9 it's a hard undertaking to add them in

That and also he's biased against them lol

[split gorge]

he's biased against the gen 8-9 mon?

I mean I get that but there's still an avid fanbase for them

[split gorge]

huh

well I guess this should be a lesson for me two

I gotta stop believing rumors

[quaint matrix]

TIL my bad my bad

https://tenor.com/view/power-rangers-ninja-storm-fail-failure-funny-gif-15469398

[hearty night]

now we know the real reason he chose not to add surskit

[spice sage]

surskit is unironically one of my favorites

[hearty night]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-looking-for-mouse-cat-gif-26581455

me looking for surskit in PIF

[split gorge]

why no add then🧐

[quaint matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/scarab-gif-17822193472408697421

[vital spire]

https://tenor.com/view/go-my-scarab-wizard101-wizard-101-kingsisle-gif-10867590209990679844

[split gorge]

oh

my b

[hidden relic]

Hell at this point this should just be pinned with how often people spread the info of the contrary.

[thin pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/incrediboy-incredibles-poster-throw-syndrome-gif-17947237037189380740

[full bison]

I've been saying we should have a Deino tag explaining the actual reason behind the Gen 8+ exclusion for a while, and something like that could help dispel that rumor

[vital spire]

I wish the moves and abilities in those gens weren't such a total pain to implement... I'd love to see the likes of Hatterene or Tinkaton in the game.

[inland jewel]

the reason why its RPGM again, is because instead of a 5-10 year dev time in a new engine, when he can just make the sequel in like 1-2 years by importing pretty much almost all the code from the first game.

by taking it to a new engine he has to rewrite everything from scratch

[split gorge]

yeah you're right

I was being harsh

[viscid fossil]

gigaton hammer on something with more attack stat than sunflora would be hype

[full bison]

To be fair I don't think too many people would miss Hatterene not having access to Magic Powder lol

[quaint matrix]

Charcadet body would go so hard as fusion materials too

[full bison]

Ceruledge is probably the Gen 8+ Pokemon I've seen the most people clamoring for except maybe Annihilape

[quaint matrix]

I would've never clamored for Gen 8+ mons much (even though I liked them) if it wasn't for the fact that they actually do cross evo mons once more

I desperately need Annihilape and Farigiraf and Kingambit to just be added

[full bison]

Farigiraf probably wouldn't be the hardest to implement considering Twin Beam is just Psychic Dual Chop with good accuracy and Armor Tail is just Dazzling
Of course that would come with everyone asking for everything else from Gen 8+ which would be more headache than it's worth, but it's technically more doable than most

[summer apex]

I feel like abilities are probably the hardest part of adding new pokemon from scratch

then again, my area of familiarity is how the game plays, not how the game works, so I'll gladly admit that I'm probably wrong

[trail hull]

Yeah abilities are definitely the hardest part but don’t forget the items

Some definitely would be hard

[quaint matrix]

How hard of a coding time would it be to develop Heavy Duty Boots

Or Loaded Dice

I feel like they should be pretty easy

[inland jewel]

Considering Frogman tried and failed to implement the Ability Patch (which is JUST to make a Pokémon’s ability into its Hidden one)

Pretty hard apparently

Trying to remember what exactly went wrong with it since it’s been years, if it just didn’t work at all, it worked but the ability reverted when unfused or went out of battle etc

[sterile spoke]

😉

[hidden relic]

[stray roost]

I think skitty fusions could be fun or mudkips......Skitty / Mudkip

[fallen loom]

Skitty/Wailord

[hearty night]

or punching gloves

[hushed axle]

Wouldn’t the code be the exact same as the ability ball?

[prime dust]

no idea

[viscid fossil]

Yay! My fourth pinned message!
This is certainly the best indicator to my value in society

[full bison]

I guarantee that's absolutely going to be a fusion that some trainer uses in the game. PIF already included quite a few meme fusions throughout it, it would just be a missed opportunity to not include it

[trail hull]

If we didn’t got it surely there was an other problem

[inland jewel]

apparently, copying that code and implimenting as a use item had its own problems

since the ability ball also is notorious for swapping off the HA if evolved/fused

at the time that is, idk if it still does that

if its fixed then mayhaps he could bring it back

[trail hull]

for the people that care about that sort of thigns this would be a great addition

[inland jewel]

you mean for the people who don't want to HA transfer method

[boreal shore]

Is wooloo coming to pif hoenn

[unkempt kernel]

Nothing past Gen 7 will be

[sacred pagoda]

Can we not spam the Wooloo picture in three channels

[deft nebula]

Hey guys, will PiF-Hoenn be released to play this year?

[hardy remnant]

The demo might be released this year, but the full game almost certainly won't be released this year.

[inland jewel]

its confirmed that december is no longer viable

Jan-Feb is the new release timeframe, but news also has that come into question

so the new time will probably be moved to April

[sudden jackal]

Yeah the demo is at least 2026

[hardy remnant]

Ah, okay, that is also why I said might as it was not guaranteed.

I do not have the most recent information so I didn't know for certain.

[inland jewel]

to be fair, that particular info is buried in chatter

one day Frog came in to this chat and said. "Yeah December isn't happening, I got || laid off from my job so working on the demo isn't a priority||

and then people talked, and talked and talked

[sudden jackal]

Yeah everyone was reassuring him to take him time and offer supporting words

[inland jewel]

yeah, just explaning how the initial news got buried so that not many people knew why it isn't expected this year anymore

[thin pawn]

Hopefully if they ever add gen 8 they'll add everyone other than wooloo

[sacred pagoda]

Gen 8 has too many new abilities and moves for the game to be able to handle it so it's likely we'll never see 8 and 9

[trail hull]

I wouldn’t say never but I wouldn’t expect it in 2026

[lunar field]

Don't deadline a passion project

It'll come when it comes

[trail hull]

Im not deadlining it

[full bison]

🔜 ™

[prime dust]

that is actually wrong

frog can add the abilities and moves in

just

last time he tried it

[sacred pagoda]

Yeah I was referring to what happened last time he tried it lol

[prime dust]

stares

Blizzard will allow that...for now

[atomic hornet]

Can we please move on from gen 7 and 8 8 and 9. Its been talked to death and has been explained many times. Seriously

[quaint matrix]

Hey shut up

Lemme dream of my Mudsdale Comfey and Ultra Beasts being added

[hearty night]

wait we dont have mudsdale?!

😭

[inland jewel]

wait gen 7 not real?

then what is this rock wolf in my game?

[thin pawn]

mightyena

[inland jewel]

[spiral musk]

I can understand gen 8 and 9 but there's some gen 7 in game

[inland jewel]

yeah becaus the code cutoff IS gen 7

Paya probably meant 8 & 9

[atomic hornet]

Pfffft I just realize my mistake whoops

Meant 8 and 9 lol

[quaint matrix]

Too late Paya my Lycanrocs are gone

I demand monetary compensation for your words

[atomic hornet]

Absolutely obliterated

Its been a long day lol

[fossil rock]

Random question will this map be added to the base game or will this be a new game fully ?

[full bison]

Not enough map space for Hoenn to be added to the base game

So it's going to be a new one entirely

[quaint matrix]

That being said there's a decent chance we'll get Olivine and Cianwood eventually

But yeah definitely not Hoenn getting in

I'm hedging my best on 2028 post full release update where the postgame is that we get to go to Sinnoh

[fossil rock]

Epic

[fossil rock]

Cynthia will be a god in the game

Mega evolution for the fusions

[atomic hornet]

What idiots are running this server, there isn't a hoenn faq pinned here

[hushed axle]

It's me, I'm the idiot

[atomic hornet]

So I have a task for you guys since you're here all the time. Type up a list of questions that you always get and I'll answer them, and pin it. Hopefully that should lessen the questions like "is it a dlc or separate game"

[hushed axle]

Will we have gen 8+ mons?

Honestly that question should be put in #fusion-faq

[inland jewel]

To be fair... how often do you think people who ask the questions checks

A good quesion i've seen also is

Will there be a 2nd region in PIF Hoenn

Is Hoenn a map extension of PIF or is it a separate game?

Will new legends come to PIF Hoenn? (aka weather genies)

[atomic hornet]

Yeah it drives me nuts, but my hope is that it'll help even a little bit. Its silly on purpose part that its not here

These are good, keep them coming!

[inland jewel]

if anything the people who will answer them will link them the post

What story changes are going to be in PIF Hoenn

Will there be any hidden areas like Secret Garden? or Mirage Island

Will Latios Flight make an appearance?

[hushed axle]

But we can also start telling people to check the pins if their question is answered there

[prime dust]

it is already on the #game-suggestions FAQ

[hushed axle]

Yes but people only see that when they're making a suggestion

[prime dust]

fair

i kind of wonder if it would be possible, at least to partly mitigate the damage of Gen8+ to just add the mons in, because I know the problem of that are the abilities and moves, but I feel like we could just give those mons stuff that exists up to/including gen 7 and it would generally be okay

sure that might actually require more work but it might be more stable

and yeah i know people would want the abilities and moves since that is what makes those mons sometimes but if it means we can add the mons in, i think they'd be willing to sacrifice that stuff

there's only a handful of mons that would need some added sacrifices for due to them being form shifters that i think require their ability to shift

ironically they are all legends or mythicals

[except tatsugiri...i think]

[quaint matrix]

See I've just assumed like

You guys are working on the Yanmega auto answering thing

Or at least a Deino ? quick prompt

[hushed axle]

For what? Hoenn faq?

[quaint matrix]

Yea

[hushed axle]

It'll probably be too long for either of those. We don't want a wall of text spam here

[inland jewel]

Yeah a pinned post with all questions and their answers is better

[slim otter]

All you have to do to find what questions people are asking here is type "will" in discord search

Yeah, the most common question seems to be 'Is this an update for PIF', and the second most common question is 'will this add gens 8 and 9'

Whether or not mirage spots will exist is a topic that seems to have come up at least two separate times, probably because people are wondering how the PIF legendaries will be catchable in PIF2

That's sort of a 'wait and find out' thing, though

[full bison]

There's also questions on how much stuff will be based around RSE or ORAS

[slim otter]

Also, some miscellaneous questions about randomizers

[hushed axle]

I've also seen people ask about secret bases

[slim otter]

Secret base furniture making when

Please let us vicariously live our far-fetched dream of home ownership

[inland jewel]

I mean we did have the secret base showcase

[hushed axle]

Oh did we?

May have been during my hiatus

[full bison]

I think I recall making a comment about that back when Secret bases were first being shown off as a feature and Frog said it would happen, but I can't find that comment so I can't say definitively. Feels like a feature that would be implemented tho

[molten loom]

Yeah it wasn't a dev update thing, just a thing frog posted

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[slim otter]

We can't start making furniture until we know some of the specs

[hushed axle]

Oooo

[slim otter]

What size canvas, how many frames

[hushed axle]

Yea, I was on hiatus still

[slim otter]

And devs can't know that until bases are made

[molten loom]

Also #pif-hoenn-discussion message

[full bison]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

There it is

[atomic hornet]

Honestly, a lot of these we haven't fleshed out or fully decided like story and RSE/ORAS difference, and any original content as well. We just dont yet, right now we're focused on the demo

[full bison]

Story should absolutely be left unanswered until the full version gets released if you ask me

[atomic hornet]

Yeah it definitely would be, but I'm being honest right now

[hushed axle]

@hexed agate where are you

[hexed agate]

I think it's better when I spread misinformation

did you know you can make NPCs fight themselves in an introspective battle?

[quaint matrix]

I think we made them do that whenever we fight them with a Slaking/Blissey fusion

[hushed axle]

-# this was the funniest shit I’ve seen

[trail hull]

We reached 748k only 2 more till 750k

[stray spear]

Hell yeah

[real falcon]

Castun is not 51.533.

will it be fixed in the hoenn demo?

[trail hull]

Let me make a sprite report

Wait

If it shows correctly on fusion dex it might be a you problem

[dim sparrow]

It's a problem with the museum

it showed a minun/minun for me and said it was some random fuision

[hushed axle]

Probably because the actual dexnums aren’t fully implemented into the code yet

[trail hull]

We reached 749k members

[velvet root]

You think something will happen?

[quaint matrix]

The summoning will happen when we gain 750k members

[trail hull]

Not necessarily but since it’s a huge milestone it’s still something worth mentioning

[summer apex]

at 750k we get a pizza party

[sterile spoke]

Unfortunately, we spent all the pizza money. 😢

[summer apex]

bring your own pizza party, then

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/special-ed-special-gif-14524557650897979460

[craggy crescent]

Hello
Does someone know if Olivine city and Cianwood city will be added in the next map update or is it just the Hoenn islands?

[shy condor]

hoenn isnt gonna be an update, it be a brand new game

[craggy crescent]

Oh, okay

[thin pawn]

And those cities will not be added because their gym leaders are in the Sevii islands

[craggy crescent]

Ok, ty

[full bison]

There are plans on making something out of Olivine and Cianwood later down the line, but there needs to be more reasons to go there besides the gyms

[frosty cypress]

there is a 2nd PIF in the works?

[wraith hinge]

yes

[trail hull]

Your pfp kills me from laughter especially in this context 😂

[trail hull]

I think we might reach 750k this week/early Monday

[sudden jackal]

Yeah pif hoenn a demo will be ready 2026

more info can be found in #dev-updates

Also here

[sly saddle]

WHAT

[signal willow]

Honestly same. Looks so tired of answering that lol.
That said im still so excited that pif is coming to hoenn.

[gray stream]

heonn

[dim sparrow]

hoen!

[clear lichen]

nneoh

[grave jolt]

Sinnoh

[next flare]

Hoenndge

[viscid fossil]

Neonh

[scarlet briar]

So will hoen be an add on or its own thing?

[full bison]

Separate game

The base game has about 140ish maps left before the limit is hit. Not nearly enough for Hoenn to be added in

[sudden jackal]

If you check the channel I linked in the message you replied to you will find plenty of information about the games development

[wise jay]

Hey will the game be just hoenn? Or will it have sinnoh as well? ?

Also please please please add tinkaton 🙏🙏🙏🙏

[quaint matrix]

Don't get your hopes up on that lol it's likely that everything past Gen 7 will only be added after everything from Gen 7 gets in

As for the Sinnoh thing we don't know that yet

[rancid nymph]

My guess would be that it probably won’t have Sinnoh, since both it and Hoenn are much bigger then either Kanto or Johto. If another region is added, it’ll probably be one from a side game, like Orre or Fiore

[full bison]

And that's only if Frog has the patience to basically remake the entire game from scratch

[quaint matrix]

Well if every Pokemon in Gen 1-7 gets added what else can he really add at that point

[full bison]

He could see the game(s) as perfectly wrapped up and move on to doing other things.

[wise jay]

Orre or fire?

[trail hull]

@spice sage congratulations for 750k members

[lofty spindle]

I thought everything past gen 7 was a no-go?

[green laurel]

it is
mostly

[trail hull]

It’s possible but complicated

[gleaming zephyr]

yes and no if done right it shouldnt be an issue

[spice sage]

It happened too fast I've been preparing something for 750k but it's not ready

[trail hull]

I knew it

Also yeah I expected we reach 750k next week

how does it feel having 3/4 of a million people in your fangame discord server?

[sudden jackal]

It's okay man we'll wait 99.9999999% of people haven't even realised it yet so you got time

[spice sage]

Or we'll just wait until the next milestone

[sudden jackal]

NOOO FROG NOOOOOO

[spice sage]

It's unreal man. We're larger than even the biggest Pokemon Go discord server somehow

[sudden jackal]

Damn suck it Nintendo

Soon we'll be so popular that if Nintendo does anything there would be so much public backlash that they'll be getting shit for it for years

[trail hull]

I think that at 1M there is a discord partner featyure and nintendo would kill us if we accept

[trail hull]

wow

[sudden jackal]

We'll start a war between discord and Nintendo with us at the center

[trail hull]

I know a wait to make everybody know

[sudden jackal]

@ everyone

[trail hull]

if it hasn't been patched

dex @sudden jackal

[light garden]

I don't think "@sudden jackal" is in PIF. :thinking: Did you misspell something?

[trail hull]

see what I mean (I'm obviously joking)

[sudden jackal]

No way that's a thing

Quick frog lemme test it to say smth like happy Halloween

[trail hull]

I'm really exited to see what is the surprise frog is making

[sudden jackal]

Its for bug testing purposes

[trail hull]

Imagine people expect it to be big but in reality it's jsut the option to dye hats

[trail hull]

do it in the porygon channel not here

[sudden jackal]

Yeah ik that's the logical thing to do

[clear lichen]

The surprise is that Galarian Stunfisk is getting added and no other Gen 8+ mon

Trust

Well, apart from 1, because at 1 million we get White Striped Basculin

Not Basculegion though

[trail hull]

honestlygen 8 mons would be a sick suprise but I don't expect it to happen (but if it does it will have been better then expected)

[clear lichen]

Gen 8 mons?

No, no

Gen 8 mon

Singular

No other Gen 8 mon added other than Galarian Stunfisk in particular

[trail hull]

as a team monotype member we'd want the rookidee line to get some actual mono flying type fusions

[clear lichen]

As something that I'd actually want

Uhh

Cosmog line

That's about it

It's not happening

But it'd be cool if it did

[trail hull]

honestly victini for 750k or 1M sounds like a great reward (the reveal prob isn't a new mon)

[sudden jackal]

Thankfully doesn't work and in fact puts U in a 5 min timeout

[trail hull]

great

[prime dust]

let's be honest

if frog adds anything from gen 8+

it'd be Tasugiri and Donboro

just to perpetuate the fish joke

[visual reef]

Will the dex numbers be reordered for the Hoenn release? I understand if not

[prime dust]

it isn't really possible to do that

would require a LOT of work renumbering a metric ton of sprites

they only have done something like that once and it was just for 1 pokemon

and that took a few months I think

[full bison]

Frog has mentioned once that he plans on doing that, but it's probably something that will be way later down the line. Like, probably 2030 stuff.

[visual reef]

Yeah, I'd imagine that wouldn't be until all mons that can be implemented are in

[prime dust]

we still have a ways to go then

[trail hull]

#1422967863014326504 message

It is possible

Does mean it will be done but it wouldn't be that hard (I don't expect it to be happen though)

[clear lichen]

OK but they're actually not bad competitively

And also they're cool

We need to add specifically White Stripe Basculin

And only White Stripe Basculin

[prime dust]

if we get a mon with multiple forms, we get them all

[wise jay]

Man I just hope tinkaton will be in the game

[spice sage]

Not sure at the moment but it's something I'm still considering.

[wise jay]

ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY CREATOR FROGZILLA

[atomic hornet]

Honestly... considering it. Not for the demo, for the full release. A lot of issues are caused from lines not being together, and people not double checking before posting to the gallery we would like to eventually, but I'm concerned that people will have a hard time adjusting and it'll be worse, even with a big announcement

Dammit frog, I was answering this time

Go back in your hole

That being said, different forms will be an issue

Like oricorio

[spice sage]

Your responses are too detailed, mine are a lot quicker to type

[prime dust]

lol

[atomic hornet]

Its what the people deserve 😤

[prime dust]

i mean it makes sense to make 100% sure that is the route you want to take

even with the batch to do the rename it will still take time to get sorted

[atomic hornet]

We're having a debate right now on a "solution", but its really not viable

Changing everything in the files will apparently won't be bad at least!

[next flare]

Maybe you could just change the dex numbers of 3-4 mons each month
That should help with the adjustment

[atomic hornet]

I'd rather die

[prime dust]

1. keep things the way they are and just deal with the shenanigans - the least amount of work, sure it is jank but it means no extra work needs to be put in other than what is already being done
2. renumber any mon past gen 2 that is out of order; would likely be better to do later down the road once everything from gens 4-7 is in the game so we don't have to keep doing this or have swaths of the dex be unavailable until they get added in

[trail hull]

I think we temporarily close the sprite gallery while the sprite pack is catching up so that way the transition is smooth

This might be a worse idea but it sounds smart

[prime dust]

wouldn't that cause some friction in of itself

[next flare]

Locking the gallery would definitely be a good move with a major change like that

[atomic hornet]

Either way, we have plenty of time to think about it. Who knows when the full gave will be ready

[prime dust]

that's almost like saying "no one is to make sprites until we can reorder stuff"

[trail hull]

You could still make them but not post them to add them to the sprite pack

[atomic hornet]

Oh yeah for sure, 24 hours may sound extreme, but it would give people time across all timezones to digest the news

[next flare]

Natdex order or Natdex+Evolution order?

[trail hull]

Natdex please

[atomic hornet]

Probably natdex

[next flare]

Makes sense

[next flare]

450_1

[atomic hornet]

You know...... I was dreading this but it would be the best case scenario kill me

[trail hull]

Yay that means yanmega will get angry for nothing in the gallery again

[atomic hornet]

What a disaster that was, but it may be out only choice, otherwise forms would have to go into gen 8 numbers

[trail hull]

Paya worries about gen 8 this totally mean it’s confirmed

But I have a real quesztion , if we use the canonical dex number wouldn't that mùean there would be gaps

like after arceus we would jump stray to cofagrigus but miss a lot of numbers? (not bothered to check wich pif gen 5 mon is th eclosest to arceus)

[prime dust]

it is a bit of a gap

arceus is 493 in nat dex...next closest that i know is in the game

[thin pawn]

It won't be, Frog hates gen 9
(this is a joke)

[full bison]

Woobat I think

[prime dust]

is venipede

at 543

[trail hull]

exactly 50 appart

[full bison]

Woobat is 527

[trail hull]

oh

[prime dust]

woobat isn't in yet proper, but yeah

493 to 527

[atomic hornet]

Yep there would be! But maybe they'll eventually be filled. And I'm not worried about gen 8 since it most likely won't happen, but that the forms will be so removed from their counterparts that it could be confusing. Oricorio is like.... 433 right now? I donno something like that, but then the other 3 forms would be in the 800s

[trail hull]

oh ok

[atomic hornet]

Yeah, not the best situation we might have to use underscores, like the original ultra necrozma

[prime dust]

430-433

[atomic hornet]

Hell yeah, dont know if its impressive or sad

That i was in the right range I mean

[prime dust]

i remember we nixed the underscore thing for necroza due to battle shift, but it might work for Ori since that is done entirely outside battle

[trail hull]

to me it was because of fusion bot

or yanmega or even both

[prime dust]

might have been part of it

but the main issue was in game

[atomic hornet]

And people fucking up in the gallery

[prime dust]

the sprite wouldn't change when you did the battle shift due to the underscore

[atomic hornet]

Sprite errors was a mess during that time

[prime dust]

but there would need to be a test done to see if the underscore of the dex number would work for Ori

we know for a fact it won't work for mons that can shift in battle, as that requires a separate dex entry to work correctly

which means castform forms get shovled past the normal dex

[trail hull]

couldn't we just use dots

[full bison]

Also creates future problems for Wishiwashi

[trail hull]

like 470.1.9?

oh no trriple fusion

[viscid fossil]

You know, was the thing with minior not changing stats fixed?

[prime dust]

would fall into the necrozma territory, anything that only shifts in battle gets a separate dex entry to ensure the sprite change happens correctly

...actually the biggest problem child is Melo, since she is a bit weird

[atomic hornet]

Dots, absolutely not

[trail hull]

then " - " ?

[prime dust]

I assume at the end of the day it would come down to

does the mon have multiple forms: if yes, determine how that shift happens [i.e., strictly in battle, strictly out of battle, or can shift either way]

[atomic hornet]

I can't say for certain whether it was a coding issue or not, only frog can confirm. I can only attest to how it caused issues on my end

[wise jay]

Does necrozmas stats change when it becomes ultra necrozma?

[full bison]

I feel like this discussion around the potential ramifications surrounding reordering the Dex is a perfect encapsulation as to why it hasn't happened yet

[trail hull]

I hope we get it soon

imagine it is revedaled that alomomola gets added

[wise jay]

Bro I'm still mad at game freak for making love disc not evolve into alomomola

[trail hull]

It was made in a generation that was supposed to be a reboot

[wise jay]

Idc they should've made them connected like the did Hitmonlee and hitmonchan

[trail hull]

Anyways it would be really funny if Alomomola gets added as the celebration for 750K

[uneven quartz]

wait theyre working on hoenn?

[trail hull]

Yes

[atomic hornet]

Honestly it was funny seeing you as then seemingly only person to predict something could happen

[uneven quartz]

thats crazy

i can wait tho

[atomic hornet]

Trying to get me to spill and I was like

[uneven quartz]

my computer can barley run it as it is

[trail hull]

I managed to cope luvdisc into the existence by believing until the last second of course I gotta predict

[trail hull]

And I was right frog is preparing something

[atomic hornet]

There isn't going to be something happening every 50k additional members, the timing was just right for this time around. It actually was a coincidence so we decided to make it a celebration

[trail hull]

you mean 250k right?

[atomic hornet]

No, I mean i wouldn't expect something for 800k, 850k, 900k, 950k, etc

[trail hull]

I never expected somethign for these

[viscid fossil]

Don't give me ideas

[trail hull]

250k is more reasonable

besides with our speed we can expect to reach 1M next year

[atomic hornet]

Maybe a million, but we're actually required by discord to do a purge when we get to that point, so the progress will roll back a bit

[trail hull]

wdym?

[spice sage]

If we ever hit a million users we can have a pizza party

[trail hull]

yay

but it's pineapple pizza for everyone

[spice sage]

Pineapple pizza is genuinely great tho

[atomic hornet]

Discord requires each milestone to be active members, and for us to apply for space for the next milestone. We cant just grow, we have to work with discord to allow us to take up the space lol

[trail hull]

I don't hate it , but lots of people do , so more for me

[atomic hornet]

1m is the next milestone, so we need to kick people that have been inactive for a long period of time, actually required by discord

[trail hull]

After eating corn pizza no pizza is bad

[trail hull]

Is there an explanation as to why?

[molten loom]

just do an @ everyone, that will certainly cause some people to leave /s

[atomic hornet]

Just that its required by discord so we have to comply. We've done a few in the past already

[atomic hornet]

Dear lord, that would be fun

[molten loom]

just watching the chaos

[atomic hornet]

Mods would conveniently go on hiatus just before

[trail hull]

@ everyone we're gonna do a purge

[clear lichen]

True!

[atomic hornet]

Just received an update, this would have normally been the case, but apparently discord recently changed this to 10mil so we won't need to send in another server expansion application for like a decade unclear if we'll still need to do a purge or not. Frog will find out when the time comes

[trail hull]

yeah there's no way we reach 10mil until the next decade

[viscid fossil]

Understood, making 9 million alt accounts.

[atomic hornet]

That would be a lot of bans per server rules :p I'd do the tag but I dont know which one it is

[trail hull]

That would make it less then 10mil

[molten loom]

?tag rule11

[opal trail]

Rule 11 DISALLOWED CONTENT: Alt accounts. Under no circumstances are Alt Accounts tolerated, regardless of the purpose. These accounts will be met with an immediate ban.

[atomic hornet]

There we go!

But yeah, its fun getting inside looks into the server background

Its run on duct tape

[atomic hornet]

Can we have a pie with vodka sauce? Its soooo good, and people outside of my region need to try it

[trail hull]

pif cooking update

[clear lichen]

What would be the most tasty Pokemon that isn't literally already food

[viscid fossil]

Pokemon infinite fusion cafe mix

[trail hull]

slowpoke

[atomic hornet]

Miltank

[trail hull]

or maybe farfetchd

[trail hull]

I'm unsure why you clarified that since we didn't get anything for 600, 650 and 700

[green laurel]

Now we for sure getting something

[clear lichen]

Time to make Miltank Steak, Slowpoke Tail Stew and Smoked Farfetch'd

[atomic hornet]

Just in case, breaks my heart to see you guys disappointed thats why I do my best to make sure packs aren't late

[clear lichen]

PIF Cooking Update is here

[green laurel]

You can never disappoint us

[molten loom]

the updates are always cooking

[viscid fossil]

can't wait to make shiny power up sandwiches

[trail hull]

You know if frog doesn’t post the celebration in a day or two we most likely will have reached 751k

This message is totally not made to pressure frog

[full bison]

No Gen 8 Pokemon getting added, but we're getting the full currydex, complete with fusion capabilities

[trail hull]

I can’t wait for the noodle leek curry

[clear lichen]

Gigantapple Curry (I still don't know who puts apples in curry)

[full bison]

Curry+sandwich fusion, everything is now a freakish Sloppy Joe

[atomic hornet]

Maybe we'll work on shitty sandwich animations

Just imagine the trainer image bobbing up and down while a sandwich moves into them and goes behind. Yeah I can see it

[trail hull]

Lol

[full bison]

Can't be worse than the eating animations of Scarlet and Violet

[trail hull]

Don’t forget the food looking like plastic and clipping through

[atomic hornet]

Directly inspired by the vision of SV

@spice sage we're cooking in here

[viscid fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/hrnnghhh-sanwich-pokemon-scarlet-violet-hrnnghhh-sandwich-funny-sandwich-pokemon-pokemon-scvi-sandwich-pokemon-scvi-eating-gif-27060277

[full bison]

Still crazy that the eating animations went from the crazy expressiveness of Sword and Shield to this

[slim otter]

https://tenor.com/view/quag-anime-food-eat-hungry-gif-16060786

-# A cooking minigame in PIF2 would actually be fun

[full bison]

We could be getting contests back, so there's always the possibility of the Pokeblock or Poffin mini games returning

[slim otter]

It will probably be Pokéblock, since Hoenn

[trail hull]

We got writing and spriting but where is musicing

[slim otter]

There is something small and stupid that I want

Berry farming

Let me farm my 999 oran berries before I go to the elite four

I require the 999 leppa berries to thrive

[full bison]

Berry farming was super fun as a kid. I would go around the world just planting random berries I wasn't even planning on using for anything

[slim otter]

When I played X, I would tend the berry farm just outside of Lumiose every day

Skating up and down and checking for wild Pokémon eating my berries
Going over the rows watering everything

Renewable, reliable berries
Please

On the topic of features, imagine we did a stupid low-quality version of Pokémon-Amie

[full bison]

With the in-game timer that PIF uses, berry farming would be more convenient than ever

[slim otter]

Use arrow buttons to move the hand cursor up and down

What if we add Head It
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Head_It

[full bison]

Head It was genuinely addictive

Pokemon Amie in general was probably the single most genius decision Gamefreak made for the 3D era. A Pokemon pet sim was something most of the fan base was begging for for years.

Probably would still enjoy it nowadays if not for the power of friendship it invokes turning everything into overpowered monstrosities

[sudden jackal]

Ya know smth that would be really cool in this new game the contest rivals from the anime being in the game like the guy who dressed like a cacturn and other characters from the show

[viscid fossil]

like that one guy with a roselia

[eager jungle]

If you could get a legendary in hoenn, who would it be, and why ?

because i'll love to have the aura trio fused with the weather trio because :

• groudon / yveltal : desolate land / death
• kyogre / xerneas : origin sea / life
• rayquaza / zygarde : peace keeper between groudon & kyogre / order

[clear lichen]

Damn it that's a good point I can't advocate for Cosmog line if you're gonna use logic like that

[eager jungle]

[green laurel]

Zygarde

[trail hull]

•Tapus it’s an island so it kinda fits
• Genie trio , they are heavily weather related therefore a good fit with the weather trio
•Manaphy and phione, they are sea legendaries, they would fit perfectly in one of the region with the most water

[green laurel]

You know

[eager jungle]

-# thank god the 4th genie is gen 8 so it can't get added

[trail hull]

Yeah

[full bison]

Having to fight Xerneas/Kyogre in the rain with Geomancy and Origin Pulse sounds like torture

Zygarde/Rayquaza with DDance, Dragon Ascent, and Thousand Arrows sounds pretty scary too

[eager jungle]

and groudon/yveltal, ground flying, with some nice stabs

like precipice blade (or whatever it's spelled) and oblivion wings

yeah ...

[hearty night]

yeah fr

[hearty night]

i love how we flippin got necrozma before cosmog line

like smh

alolan starters were right there

or even gen 5 ones lol

sp atking contrary mon when 😭

[quaint matrix]

What do you mean

We have them already in Lurantis

[clear lichen]

Real

[hearty night]

yeah yeah smh

why even add zygarde at that point

smh

[quaint matrix]

I mean Lurantis ain't that bad tbh

[hearty night]

https://tenor.com/view/looking-around-guilty-confused-gif-13044434317740784883

maybe ur right

[quaint matrix]

Lurantis also gives you the physical Contrary niche too

With Superpower baked in + moves from fusion mats like Close Combat and whatnot

[clear lichen]

Tbh if I was a physical attacking Contrary mon I'd run Superpower over CC any day of the week but maybe that's just me

Well tbf

Does Lurantis even have any other moves it'd run?

Like uhh

On physical sets

Leaf Blade

Superpower

Synthesis

... does it get Knock Off?

Well that'd be 4 then so yeah I guess it doesn't have the room

Simply run CC on the AV set

[weak trellis]

possibly poison jab too if you want the coverage

or if you're really drunk daring with a vest, a mixed set with leaf storm/giga drain/superpower/coverage

I would say "leech life" on the 4th but that just means you're free food for any pokemon with wings that isn't honchkrow

[full bison]

Spinda is getting added soon, and its attack and special attack are equal

[hearty night]

phew

[thin pawn]

One day we'll get a dragon type pokemon with contrary

🙏

[full bison]

Gamefreak was probably too scared straight by Serperior throwing leaves around to do that

[thin pawn]

Understandable

[dire crane]

run both and baton pass

basically an omni boost while hitting for 120 twice

[hexed agate]

Just run Assist Spinda

You can run anything from V-create to Dragon Ascent

[trail hull]

How many mons are missing in pif ?(before gen 8)

[quaint matrix]

A good amount are definitely from Sinnoh and Kalos

[trail hull]

Most are from unova

[quaint matrix]

I was gonna say Unova oop

I've counted

About 241 total (not including separate forms)

And that's if you count the Melmetal line as part of Gen 7 I think (which I'm pretty sure Frog would count it)

[trail hull]

WoW that’s a lot

[quaint matrix]

That was a manual counting though so there could be some margin of error

But you can safely assume it's around 230-240ish in total

[trail hull]

It was included in the 2023 vote

Thank you for the answer

So without counting extra forms we would get at 813 mons total

If we use the 50 new mons per year we get 4.83 years so it could take up to 5 year for every remaining mon to get in

By then gen 11 will prob have released

[hearty night]

lol

[quaint matrix]

The worst part is I'm very certain we'll only get the Unova starters by 2027

[trail hull]

don't say that

[velvet root]

Yeah dont say that
You dont exepct we get gen 7 next year so gen 5 starters 2029

[fringe forge]

we are thinking about this the wrong way
instead of adding pokemon every year or so
we need to remove pokemon every year or so

[tropic dew]

Honestly, Gen VII has a lot of fun Pokemon. Salandit and Salazzle with Corrosion, a signature Ability that lets them poison a Pokemon regardless of type, including Steel Types and other Poison Type Pokemon. That all said, Steel types still had immunity to Poison-type damaging moves, but status-afflicting moves would affect them thanks to Corrosion.

Then you have the Bounsweet line, wherein it's the first set of Pokemon outside of Swirlix and Slurpuff to possess Sweet Veil, albeit as a Hidden Ability, or Tsareena's signature Ability, Queenly Majesty, which shuts down the use of moves with increased priority, including those boosted by abilities like Prankster, Gale Wings, and Triage, forcing them to rely on lower prority moves, or moves without priority... unless the move explicitly targets all Pokemon, or the Opponent's side of the field, which bypasses the ability entirely, limiting its usage.

[clear lichen]

And then there's Water Bubble

Which is Water Bubble

[tropic dew]

right

[clear lichen]

And quite frankly entirely balanced around being on a mon with poor stats

[tropic dew]

Mold Breaker, Turboblaze, and Teravolt also kind of ruin the day of anyone relying on Queenly Majesty

and yeah, Araquanid is... a thing, all right.

[clear lichen]

Doubling the power of anything is absurd, even if it's only one type

And then you also halve damage from Fire types and become immune to burn

It'd be so funny to see this ability on a Pokemon that doesn't have poor stats

[tropic dew]

Yeah... imagine putting that ability on a Pokemon with a decent stat spread.

[clear lichen]

I commonly see people theorise buffs for Inteleon by giving it Water Bubble

[tropic dew]

Even when you factor in how much the fusion's BST might tank with Araquanid being one half of it, it'd almost definitely end up being a monster with the right setup.

[clear lichen]

252 SpA Choice Specs Water Bubble Tera Water Inteleon Hydro Pump vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey in Rain: 612-720 (93.8 - 110.4%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
This is what that looks like btw

I dont think you'd be easily able to get to 125 attacking stat with Araquanid in the mix at least

But it is important to note that Araquanid has amazing SpD

And decent Defence

Though poor HP

[tropic dew]

indeed

But tbh, with how busted Inteleon with Water Bubble sounds, that's probably precisely why it won't happen... even if PIF isn't made with competitive viability in mind for the most part.

[clear lichen]

Precisely what won't happen?

If you mean Inteleon with Water Bubble, that's (thankfully) not an actual thing

If you mean Araquanid, then, uhh

I have some news for you

Whimsicott uhh

Gets Spore

Like just regular Whimsicott

Y'know the fast mf

That just also has Prankster and the Fairy type

[quaint matrix]

I can't wait for Araquanid to be added

It's genuinely Slaking/Blissey/Regigigas levels of broken

[clear lichen]

I dont think balancing is a concern funnily enough

There's also the Huge Power mons

Which are, y'know

Huge Power mons

[quaint matrix]

Oh true

But I think it's way more than Azumarill imo

Azumarill's saddled with mid stats across the board where Araquanid still has like

Some really good stats

[clear lichen]

Really only SpD, no?

And Defence is decent too

Attack's kinda mid (better than Azu's, though) and SpA is terrible (but you could hit hard using Water moves with it)

Speed is not even worth talking about

Water Bubble has the perk of working with special attacks

But the drawback of only working for 1 type

Ground/Fairy Diggersby fusions sound like they'd be hilarious

Unfortunately nobody likes Diggersby and will not vote for it

[quaint matrix]

I care

It was the king of UU for quite awhile that it got into the UUBL limbo and still thriving in OU back in XY OU

[clear lichen]

I need to see this fat fucking rabbit murder people with Huge Power man

In PIF I mean if I wanted to see normal Diggersby gameplay I'd go to

To....

Idk actually Diggersby is like

UUBL in Gens 6 and 7, RUBL in Gen 8

[quaint matrix]

It's the Ambipom story

Too shit for OU (at least in Gen 7) and needing to be UU, but way too late by then

[clear lichen]

This ain't no Ambipom story, this is the uhh

The uhh

Staraptor story or some shit

[quaint matrix]

Yeah that too

[trail hull]

Im betting on the gen 8 starters somehow getting in before the gen 5 ones

[full bison]

The Galar starters are the least popular starters of the whole lot IIRC. Pretty sure if they were an option, they would get in well after Gen 5 starters

The Gen 9 starters would probably get in before the Gen 5 ones if they were an option tho

[prime dust]

yeah I don't know what happened with Gen 8, none of the starters really grabbed my attention, the only one that was "I could tolerate having this" was Grookey

[full bison]

The issue with the Gen 8 starters was that they anthropomorphized them way too much. They looked like people in fursuits more than animals at that point.

It was a developing thing ever since Gen 6, but 6 and 7 still had a degree of "this is still an animal" to them. Gen 8 were just colorful Zootopia characters

[velvet root]

Gen 8 starters are fun imo

[weak trellis]

gen 8 starters feel like they were designed as Your Kid You Raise more than any other gen

since they have baby/child stage then rebellious teen stage, then "got a job" stage

[hardy remnant]

I don't dislike the gen 8 starters, but I don't like them either.

[weak trellis]

they do feel very much like "this is not a species, this is a singular character" trend that feels like gen 6 (5?) started focusing on with its mon designs

which isn't to say earlier gens didn't have those (cubone/marowak being a great example) but they were the exceptions rather than the majority

[atomic hornet]

Over my dead body

If we ever do gen 8, snom will be the first to be added, mark my words

[thin pawn]

Not Frosmoth, just Snom

[atomic hornet]

All we need

[unkempt kernel]

And Yamper (no Bolthund, I refuse to believe it exists)

[trail hull]

Guys can someone plaese help me kill paya , I need gen 8 mons to get in

[atomic hornet]

||yes please, may my suffering end ||

[rancid nymph]

She doesn’t want to stop Gen 8 mons from getting in, she just wants to stop the Gen 8 starters from getting in before the Gen 5 ones

Which is valid, considering the Gen 8 starters suck

[trail hull]

nah this totally was the correct interpretation

[spice sage]

||Announcement coming up ||

[molten loom]

Now I really got to speedrun to finish this silly run

[thin pawn]

pif hoenn cancelled

[sonic turtle]

delayed

[inland jewel]

10 more years of PIF Hoenn discourse

[final wave]

Kewl

[prime mantle]

Is there gonna be ai in this one?

[trail hull]

ho way paya voice reveal

I don't care about the rest

[lament wedge]

YEAAA OVERWORLD ENCOUNTERS!

[trail hull]

also paya your voice is so nice

[vernal raft]

is there an FAQ somewhere about stuff regarding this dealie

[fringe forge]

YOOO

im shaking and cryin rn

its beautiful

[wild nebula]

Wait how will over world fusions work? Does this mean fused over world sprites?

[left pulsar]

No you aint

[vapid bay]

Is it possible to contribute to the development of the project as a developer?

[loud sleet]

Will IF2 be a separate game or a update? Haven’t been keeping up well with it all

[fringe forge]

seperate

[livid mirage]

Woah a Hoenn game?!? I’m so excited; I love Hoenn.

[noble mist]

I did not know there was gonna be an IF2

[livid mirage]

Me neither

[left pulsar]

Vibe coders unite 😎

[sharp glade]

Will all of the old fusions come with, or is it effectively starting from scratch with its own Pokedex?

[atomic hornet]

No, not in the slightest

[noble mist]

Got an important question though, is this being made in RPG Maker or are they going to be doing a different engine?

[vapid bay]

Not a vibe coder. Development is my actual job.

[livid mirage]

I can finally stop replaying PIF1 a dozen times

New game!!

[fringe forge]

[rare otter]

thank god

[molten loom]

still have to wait a while

[fringe forge]

beautiful

[noble mist]

RPG Maker really limited what could be done with PIF

[vague oar]

The only AI in the game is the trainer battle ai

[atomic hornet]

Thank you so much I had fun making it, but I was worried it would be cringy

[frozen notch]

Will it have the battle frontier

[molten loom]

PIF hoenn looks great, I can tell I will spend a lot of time playing it

[noble mist]

but I've seen how far you can take a pokemon game with other engines like Vinemon Sauce Edition

[cunning dagger]

Yo could you guys stop being better than the big boi company? Think about how much money the billion dollar conglomerate are losing D:

Jokes aside - I bloody love you guys and love the work you're doing - TRUE passion is what game devs need these days <3

[stray roost]

I can't wait for contests

[odd rapids]

Great stuff guys. Cant wait for the release!

[polar flame]

This looks peak

[hexed agate]

yeah, we'll add microtransactions for the splicers

[fringe forge]

just finished the video

i have a tear in my eye

[loud sleet]

Will IF1 still get pokedex updates?

[turbid topaz]

Technically yeah, but it depends on how Frog wants to credit us first.

[sudden jackal]

Holy shit man U guys have really gone above and beyond

[polar flame]

It's so pretty

[vague oar]

Microtransactions? I thought we agreed on macrotransactions

[fringe forge]

IKR

[feral bear]

Not PIF carrying the franchise atp smh

[surreal wren]

AHHH PIF HOENN LOOKS SO PEAK

[atomic hornet]

Still in rpg maker. Frog works magic

[cunning dagger]

YO HOLD UP

[raven ore]

It is very very pretty, I love it

[vapid bay]

So the best to potentially ask about that would be frog?

[noble mist]

ah

[polar flame]

Im so excited for the overworld encounters

[fringe forge]

i wish i could donate to the project
but i dont want to invoke nintendos wrath ....

[surreal wren]

Am i crazy or does saying PIF like "Piff" sound wrong

[rancid root]

Is there going to be alolan Pokemon for the hoenn release?

[livid mirage]

Is it keeping all the same pokedex sprites? Or are we starting anew

[polar flame]

[cunning dagger]

Legit lol - It's incredible that fans care more for the series than the people that make it

[sudden jackal]

And U did great narrating the update great job

[atomic hornet]

Now you know why I've been way too busy to ever hang

[haughty plover]

now im wondering when theyll make plif

[atomic hornet]

Thank you!!!

[vague oar]

Im still advocating for Alolan Forms

[mild magnet]

only other feature i could ask for now is your first mon following you, but i dont imagine it’ll work too well with fusions

[sudden jackal]

Yeah clearly but totally worth it

[vernal raft]

like would i be able to trade pokemon from one region to the other

[turbid topaz]

I mean, it's up to him on whether us in the Harder Difficulty Devs get Credited, especially for this one. So if we can get credited, then you can help us out with our work

[rancid root]

I mostly just want the alolan Vulpix and Ninetales

[prime dust]

I'm now just imagining the markiplier video

[feral bear]

Its actually crazy how peak this is

[daring trout]

Is there gonna be an option to disable overworld encounters? They kinda mess with the flow of nuzlockes.

[sudden jackal]

Yeah you'll be able to send pif Kanto Pokemon to hoenn and vise versa

[surreal wren]

Peak trailer, it feels like a whole new game while stile feeling similar

[prime dust]

that was stated in the video

[vague oar]

Nah, we deserve Exeggutor

[vernal raft]

awesomesauce

[prime dust]

you can turn it off for a more classic feel

[hexed agate]

we got Exeggutor at home

[atomic lagoon]

did you watch the video

[late storm]

since infinite fusion 2 is in hoenn, will we be able to go to kanto and johto

[sonic tree]

im not sure if its hilarious or sad, the sheer difference of effort put into this project vs the actual IP
infinite fusion is uncontested the best pokemon game ive ever played

[atomic hornet]

Yeah fusions kind of killed the possibility this feature, otherwise we talked about it

[haughty plover]

is the next game gonna be plif (pokemon legends infinite fusion) lol

[dim sparrow]

Paya sounded a lot like a nintendo direct presenter

[surreal wren]

also going through water routes in the region KNOWN for water without having to load up on repels is so nice

[sharp sphinx]

will shinies be indicated for overworld fusions if at all?

[vague oar]

But yea @atomic hornet you’re the best, you carried the video

[next pagoda]

Yeah, it says that in the video

[daring raptor]

Oh gosh if they gonna add overworld encounters I hope it won't have the same issue a lot of fangames do, where they spawn TOO MUCH

[vapid bay]

Gotcha.
Would love to help out with this project in any way I can.
Mind if I send a friend request for now?

[atomic hornet]

Between pif 1 and 2, you'll be able to!

[mild magnet]

figured as such. still love the work you guys have done/are doing regardless

[turbid topaz]

Uh... Sure

[prime dust]

kanto and johto represent too many maps to add into the game

[hexed agate]

who's up for a fun stat?

[dim sparrow]

me

[sudden jackal]

Hell yeah

[opal trail]

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[hexed agate]

oh wow

[dim sparrow]

oh hey

[surreal wren]

we need a break from kanto and johto

[sudden jackal]

[rancid root]

I would literally pay to have alolan Vulpix and nine tails dude you don't even know

[polar flame]

Hell yeah

[hexed agate]

we didn't nosedive

[atomic hornet]

Yes

[bold atlas]

AND it's optional gg

But damn that must've been alot of work

[prime dust]

regional forms will only ever exist as sprites

[molten loom]

yet

[warm skiff]

PREPARE FOR THE HOARD /lh

[prime mantle]

Yipppiiiie

[prime dust]

it kind of breaks the gimmick of the game to a degree having them in

[dim sparrow]

You can go to kanto and johto by playing PIF 1

[surreal wren]

the trailer was made perfectly, still plenty of questions to be answered but gets the viewer REALLY hyped

[atomic hornet]

We dont have alolan forms, but you never know it could happen some day. Right now its not currently planned

[old bluff]

WE ARE SO BACK

[surreal wren]

exactly

[atomic lagoon]

it'd be a pretty cool pokemon for head fusions

[knotty citrus]

Olay this wild roaming Mon thing looks gas

[atomic hornet]

Thank you!!

[knotty citrus]

Giving them personalities is perfect

[sudden jackal]

We will definitely hit a million the second pif hoenn comes out
If we don't hit it before then

[blazing fox]

howso?

[turbid topaz]

And... I just realized that we're ALL going to be suffering in some way.

[old bluff]

also will we have following pokemon too?

[bold atlas]

meh, can handwave natural fusions relatively easy. smthn about Hoenn's nature being nicer for it

[warm skiff]

will shinies with shy personalies be able to disappear?

[prime dust]

this is a game about fusing pokemon

[fringe forge]

beautiful

i cant stop rewatching it

[surreal wren]

fusions make it too complex apparantley

[prime dust]

some fusions have regional sprites

[clear lichen]

Why are we drowning cats and metal snakes

[silk cobalt]

The fact the overworld thing is optional is incredible. I also wonder how the "pokemon on shores/outside the grass" will be handled if the feature is off. Do we have an answer for that?

[jolly scarab]

@atomic hornet I know you're getting a lot of questions, but I have a quick one: Will this release with a Linux port as well? I ask because I mainly play on my steam deck which was perfect for the first one. 🙂

[prime dust]

much like the existing PIF we will likely try to create guides for other devices

[daring raptor]

overworld encounters is suuch a f u n and amazing addition to fan games! but no game has yet let me choose spawn rate 😭 I want to have it, not at speed fangames usually do when it's like 5 mon a second

[vapid bay]

Since it is an RPGMAKER game, it should not be difficult to have it run with Proton

[daring raptor]

and then map becomes just unwalkable

[prime dust]

but don't expect those guides right off the bat when PIF 2 launches

[mild magnet]

so transferring mons from pif1, is it gonna be via trading, or can you just transfer your whole pc?

[heady breach]

I CANT WAIT

[full bison]

If overworld encounters are enabled, do random encounters still happen, or are they mutually exclusive?

[turbid topaz]

No, because it means they can make the Roaming Latis move around super fast, and we'll have to catch them like Galarian Zapdos in the Crown Tundra DLC

[prime dust]

going off what frog plans, there will be a box in your pc to move mons

[molten loom]

you can see it in #dev-updates

[sharp sphinx]

exclusive I think

[mild magnet]

oh word

[wraith flower]

I honestly am really stoked and really hyped for PIFHoenn the only thing I hoped was that it would be steered away from rpg maker because I always have to restart the game a couple of times because the longer I play it the slower it gets during a single playthrough but honestly it's so good

[jolly scarab]

Right. I'm patient and I'm sure I can figure it out with Proton. I was just curious since not everything works well on Linux. 😅 I've had zero issues with PIF though. 😄

[silk cobalt]

this has been shown off in dev update

[mild magnet]

gotcha

[dire beacon]

Manifesting Crawdawnt + Garchomp fusion

[prime dust]

unfortunately doing the game in another engine would require a LOT more work

[dire beacon]

[vague oar]

I don’t think that’s posible without basically redoing the whole games from scratch

[prime dust]

exactly that

[clear lichen]

Finally, Dragon Dance Garchomp

(Ignore how that's already possible in PIF 1)

[prime dust]

a new engine means having to redo everything, as not even the spaghetti code we use now would likely work

[ivory seal]

I love the dev update I’m so excited

[vague oar]

Hopefully one day we’ll get Revavroom in the game so we can sprite cars

[dire beacon]

[full bison]

We can use Charjabug for that whenever it's added at least

[wraith flower]

yes that's the obvious result if the game was to change engine it was just a silly hope of mine

[atomic hornet]

Nope! We have something built in to prevent that, specifically coded

[vague oar]

All the remaining Hoenn mons are getting added to both games when PIF2 is out

[rancid root]

Wait does this mean we get hisuian zoroark?!

[atomic hornet]

So sorry guy so many questions its hard to keep up!! You all are so wonderful and kind, it makes my heart swell to see you all excited 🥹

[dire beacon]

Torterra + Revavroom = ?

[sudden jackal]

Ofc y'all did what don't you guys think of

[vague oar]

We can’t have mons from Gens 8+

[prime dust]

as stated before, regionals don't currently exist outside sprite references

[molten loom]

love shinies not fleeing

[vernal raft]

is there a FAQ

[light seal]

Any shot that this will be on mobile? Specifically iOS? Have some friends that don’t have computers that I’ve wanted to be able to try this out.

[frail void]

I know they talked about while encounters of fusions being mostly dark silhouettes, but I found a few wild encounters of overworld fusions in the trailer. Here’s all the overworld fusions I found in the dev update.

[lilac sentinel]

Is there a release date?

[hexed agate]

[sudden jackal]

Maybe give em a couple hrs to figure the answers needed

[rancid root]

Oof Oki well I'm excited anyway!

[frail void]

So I think it will be a mix of both

[vernal raft]

gotcha

[prime dust]

demo is planned for next year

no eta at all on a full release

[vague oar]

@atomic hornet how would shiny fusions appear in the overworld?

[rancid root]

I like fusing ninetales with like everything

[dire beacon]

I just need My baby flabebe Pokémon (and someday corviknight) to make My ultimate 12 favorite Pokemon run

[turbid topaz]

Specifically early next year

[atomic hornet]

Its built the same as pif 1, we have seen Linux users use something called Proton to be able to play. Im not too knowledgeable on this front but I hope it helps!

[dire beacon]

[frail void]

I was also wondering this

[clear lichen]

Tbf, none of these are specifically wild encounters

[fringe forge]

when the demo is out
ill probably replay it like 20 times

😭

[reef mauve]

Yea. I wanna know too

[atomic lagoon]

these are overworld NPCs

[atomic hornet]

If they belong to someone, than no you can't catch them but a Pokémon wandering around town on the other hand

[prime dust]

might be smart to slow mode the channel to some degree for a hot minute

[full bison]

While this channel is busy, I would like to once again promote the Gen 7 move contest type poll I set up. Frog himself has access to the results, so there's a real chance that if contests are added, your votes will matter

[knotty citrus]

It's like an ARG there's a hidden date for the demo in the video

[trail hull]

had to go eat , but this is huge

[frail void]

You know what, you’re correct.

[clear lichen]

We can pick random Pokemon off the street? Nice

[reef mauve]

All honesty, Nintendo should hire this team. But let's face it, Nintendo is going to die with how much shit they be doing

[vapid bay]

Q: Is this an update or a new game?
A: New game.

Q: Will PIF Hoenn still be in RPGMAKER?
A: Yes. Creating the game in a different engine would mean redoing everything from scratch and would take far too long.

Q: Can we use our old pokemon from the first game?
A: Yes. You will be able to transfer your old pokemon.

Q: Will we get Alolan forms?
A: Not currently (2025/11/03)

Q: Can we disable overworld encounters?
A: Yes.

Q: Since we now got overworld encounters, will we have pokemon following us?
A: Sadly no.

Q: Do we get both overworld and normal encounters at the same time?
A: It is one or the other. Either you get overworld or normal encounters. Not both at once.

Q: How long is the demo going to be?
A: The Demo will be up to slateport city.

[hexed agate]

they belong to me

[frail void]

But the Doduo X Bellsprout is in the daycare meaning it’s probably player owned, and with an overworld sprite

[vapid bay]

The most frequently asked questions summarized.

[turbid topaz]

Hey wait a minute! Get back here so that you aren't a nuisance to chase in the Overworld!

[hexed agate]

like that one trainer's pokemon that I failed to get

[clear lichen]

Time to kidnap some random ass Pokemon that ran away from its owner for some other reason

[full bison]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[atomic hornet]

One or the other. Having both would have been disastrous lol

[clear lichen]

Nah, I'd run

[full bison]

Fair

[vague oar]

If there’s nothing planed for how shiny fusions would look in the overworld, I’d suggest making them racist white

[knotty citrus]

I mean they left their pokemon on the street I can't let them starve