pif-hoenn-discussion

[velvet root]

Im going to have some hate for that
but we dont need all those Versions of sprites that represent diffrent pride flags
Im all in for Pride rights and stuff but its just overflowing the sprites with not unique versions

[west sonnet]

I mean I think its good when one sprite has A Pride Alt

[velvet root]

Yeah but the Luvdiscs (they arent alts I think) but the ones that are just pride flag recolors feel weird
You feel me?
Like why not search a fusion that kinda can fit and make it unique cuz we Humans and how we live are unique too
Not just another fish in a ocean

[west sonnet]

I am 95% sure they're alts

[velvet root]

Likely

But you know what I mean?
Man I always feel so bad talking like that... qwq

[west sonnet]

Its awkward, they're popular

My suggestion, make more mains

I only make mains

[velvet root]

yeah

[tacit saddle]

ngl people gotta stop making the same god damn fusion over and over
becasue some fusions having 10+ alts is egregious

looking at all the gardevoir fusions

[velvet root]

Its especially bad when they are basically the same but dif quality

[tacit saddle]

exactly

im looking at you, aegislash/gardevoir

[full bison]

Clearly the solution is adding Tsareena, Pheromosa, and Salazzle to spread the waifu designs out more

[tacit saddle]

no

i mean yes but not for that reason

yeah im looking at gardevoir fusions and so many of them have. a lot of sprites

[west sonnet]

I mean yeah, its a fun design

Sorry you hate women /s

[tacit saddle]

do we need this many

[full bison]

Poor Gallade barely has anything in comparison and it's the one that actually wants body fusions

[tacit saddle]

thats what im saying!

gardevoir gets so many fusions but then gallade is neglected

[west sonnet]

So go make them, is my universal response

[tacit saddle]

respectfully i have 0 time for that

[velvet root]

4 changed colors
5 times nearly the same designe
and 1 is in the wrong group of fusions

[west sonnet]

The magic of being a spriter is that you can personally go change that

Like, I was really bothered about Kabutos

[tacit saddle]

LMAO i didnt even notice the error

[west sonnet]

So I made 71

[weak trellis]

less complaining, more creating

[tacit saddle]

holy shit bidoof is 100% completed 😭

[weak trellis]

speaking of which I feel like the alt purge will also give people more incentive to fill autogens in

[queen grove]

DOOOOOOOOF!!!

[velvet root]

Slow man
Half of them are as low quality as possible

[tacit saddle]

YES!! this is all i want if im going to be honest

[velvet root]

A guy became a spriter and made all bidoofs super low quality in like a min each

[tacit saddle]

oh 💀 LMAO

whats the dudes name

[queen grove]

Autogens were the overwhelming majority when I started in this game... So I kind of have a soft spot for their brand of broken jank... That said, even the "lesser" customs are a massive improvement.

[fathom ridge]

I have one or two sprites that are alts bc I only checked in daena to see if they were done and it turned out someone else had done it that month ):

[full bison]

I'll miss the 1 and two halves face Whirlidrio when that gets filled in

[fathom ridge]

Someone could make a joke alt

[tacit saddle]

...so autogens are actually upgraded in 6.4 . i should check what it looks like in game

[fathom ridge]

Upgraded as in, less janky? If so less janky = less funny so idk if it is an absolute upgrade

[molten loom]

Upgrade by technically downgrading them, it's lower resolution

Or something

[tacit saddle]

the reason is to put less stress on the spreadsheet for the repo

so it actually has a reason

[fathom ridge]

Ohhh that’s actually good it’s weird how some fusions have different sized pixels

[queen grove]

It was pretty jarring in my latest playthrough when Oricorio(ghost)/Alakazam was not only the only non-custom form, but also just severely out of focus. XD

[full bison]

Man I need to stop procrastinating and get around to finishing up that Deoxys/Diancie, maybe get around to redoing Delphox/Roserade

[tacit saddle]

im back

this is what it looks like now

[hushed axle]

It arguably looks worse

[full bison]

Y'all got any more of them P I X E L S

[tacit saddle]

HEY I MEAN UPGRADE AS IN ITS BETTER FOR THE GAME/REPO LOL

[queen grove]

I like it better than the one above. At least it's consistent.

[tacit saddle]

i do genuinely like the new autogens

[fathom ridge]

I really like the consistent pixels

[tacit saddle]

this is still fucked

[molten loom]

Yeah just a bit more blurry

#playthrough-talk message another example of the autogen resolution change

[queen grove]

Oricorio(ghost)/Alakazam is another one to check out, that one blurs reaaaaal bad. XD

(but I imagine it will probably have a custom someday because the other 3 do.)

[tacit saddle]

isnt much different

[split zodiac]

anyone know where i can see all the fusion of delphox evolution line?

[queen grove]

Ehhh.. slightly less bad.

[fathom ridge]

https://www.fusiondex.org/ you can see all fusions here

[hushed axle]

Beta mons aren’t on there yet

[split zodiac]

yeah

[full bison]

Delphox isn't in the fusion dex right now, so I'd recommend looking up Delphox on the #sprite-gallery

[hushed axle]

Only way right now would be to look in #sprite-gallery or through the files

[split zodiac]

thank you!

[trail hull]

[hot hamlet]

Do note that the mons in beta will either be incomplete (ie not all sprites are in the game) or can be misnumbered (like my Golisopod fusion that somehow turned into a Froakie/Squirtle)

That one was reported and fixed already. Just as an example

[split zodiac]

tbh i dont really mind , i just love finding every fusion and being able to see all the possibility such as my braixen/umbreon (a pure beauty) and as pokemon x y was pretty much my childhood im just so hype by the fact they finaly added the kalos starter (same goes for diancie my second favorite legendary)

[hot hamlet]

Yeah just letting you know.
Unfortunately the calcs likely won’t be updated until they come to the full version

[split zodiac]

what is the "calcs"?

[hushed axle]

?tag calcs

[opal trail]

https://infinitefusiondex.com/: Good for looking at stats, locations, movesets, and type matchups, as well as looking at the inverse fusions side-by-side.

https://www.fusiondex.org/: Good for looking at sprites and fusion names. Also includes stats, but no comparisons.

[split zodiac]

ooooh the pokedex

[hushed axle]

More so, fusion calculators

[split zodiac]

yeah , tho if they add yveltal i swear im going to lose my mind

[inland jewel]

Frogman doesn't like adding legends

since he has to do entire event chains and rooms for them

with regular mons he can just plop them on a route and called it a day

[hot hamlet]

Since we’re skipping ahead 2 whole versions are we getting an extra batch of mons as apology for the delay?

I think we should
(This is a joke)

[inland jewel]

If he does give us an extra batch, i hopes it monkeys, lake guardians, manaphy phione, the pikaclones /j

and the rest of the dragon types

[unkempt kernel]

Nah just the pika clones

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-cute-shiny-pokemon-squirrel-gif-26992650

[inland jewel]

well last year's mini update was 4 mons

so that could fit the pika clones

[unkempt kernel]

Tho there’s more than 4, we’re missing like 7

Since we only have the base pika line

[inland jewel]

we're missing only 6

since Johto's "pikaclone" is marill

[unkempt kernel]

Plusel
Minun
Pach
Devil rat
Dedene
Togedamaru

[unkempt kernel]

Actually it’s Pichu

[inland jewel]

thats not a pikaclone

[unkempt kernel]

Yes it is

[inland jewel]

its just actually pichu

a pikaclone is "Rodent that imitates pikachu"

[unkempt kernel]

Marill is not a pika clone for the same reason Mimikyu isn’t

[inland jewel]

pichu is just literally, actually just pikachu

It was marketed to be the next Pikachu

that makes it a pika clone to me

[unkempt kernel]

Ok but officially it’s Pichu

[inland jewel]

nah im not calling Pichu a pikaclone

for one its not a clone of pikachu

its just actually pikachu

[unkempt kernel]

All the pika clones are electric type

The pika clones, as stated by game freak are

Pikachu
Raichu
Pichu
Plusel
Minun
Pachirisu
Emolga
Dedene
Togedamaru
Morpeko
Pawmi
Pawmo
Pawmot

[hushed axle]

Pikachu is a pikaclone?

Wild

[gray stream]

how is pikachu a clone of itself?? also how is mimikyu, a pokemon known for copying pikachu, not a pika clone

[unkempt kernel]

Kinda, it’s included with the group because it was technically the first

[gray stream]

well doesnt that mean it isnt a clone

[unkempt kernel]

Pika clones have to be electric type

[gray stream]

makes enough sense ig, just confusing

[unkempt kernel]

Mimikyu is just jealous of pika’s popularity, so it mimics pikachu but not a direct clone

[gray stream]

true

[unkempt kernel]

Unlike say, pachirisu, which has the cheek spots

It’s why Marill isn’t a pika clone

It’s not electric type

[gray stream]

makes sense now 🫡

[unkempt kernel]

Technically by this definition you could class Yamper as a pika clone as it has cheek spots and is electric

But it’s not cus it’s not a rodent

[queen grove]

I miiiiight argue that Emolga isn't a clone... Electric/flying is pretty different from just electric... But yeah, most of these are just straight up "copy my homework but change a few things."

[tacit saddle]

pachirisu pisses me off. Sorry gang

[unkempt kernel]

My point was that they all share the typing to be official pika clones

Marill and Mimikyu do not have the electric type, thus aren’t pika clones

[unkempt kernel]

How? He’s just a silly squirrel

[tacit saddle]

in my head it should be an ice type

[unkempt kernel]

What

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-uses-thunder-discharge-uses-discharge-gif-26992641

My boi does not need the ice type

[twilit silo]

gens starting in Gen2 have certain.... "replacement" pokemon that are like "and here's what this region has instead of that pokemon you like"

Some of them are actually quite good... I love Linoone for example. But Sentret is just annoying. however both effectively replace Rattata.

[weak trellis]

furret at least got salvaged in some gen by coil (and optionally BP) which is thankfully in IF too

all of them at least have some niche though. raticate has guts or hustle, linoone has belly drum, bibarel has ...all of its abilities, diggersby's got huge power and clowning on ghost/electric coverage, watchog's at least decent at catching things, greedent's got bulk for days and gumshoos...

kinda just has nothing but a 110 attack stat lol

(I don't count oinkologne as one since gameplay wise it feels closer to lillipup's line just a lot worse lol)

[gray vine]

well yeah, regional rodent and bird

[twilit silo]

lots of new regional bugs too

Bibarel is neat as an HM user since it has like all the water HMs and several more too

[gray vine]

well thats just multiple bugs

and just a type

could say regional water type then

[twilit silo]

yes, yes you could. 😄

And i would. 😄

[gray vine]

rodent and bird arent types, so it fits, regional bug doesnt work cause of course the bug type will be a bug

[twilit silo]

It's a formulaic design thing that in the first few iterations wasn't as anoying

like "here's what this region has instead of horsea and tentacool"

It's not a bad concept in and of itself, but lead to some kinda lazy designs IMO

[gray vine]

mmh?

[unkempt kernel]

I meant that’s why we got the convergent mons

[gray vine]

i think you are being very close minded cause i cant recall each gen having a seahorse or a tentacly guy

[unkempt kernel]

Also surprised regional variants are in decline

[twilit silo]

that was an example of the idea I was talking about..... yes, not every reagion does that, for every single possible example, but, it does it some of the time

i think they went too weird with some regional vriants.

[gray vine]

this feels like a g1n gen 2 supermacy comment lul without thinking that gen 1 and 2 also had really really really really actually you...know really lazy designs

[twilit silo]

like totally changing type and moveset, and stats? erm... is that a variant or a new pokemon?

You know I started by saying I hate Sentret right? 😄

Hoot-hoot i kinda liked... despite it beign weak, since it's a different KIND of bird.

Pelliper... same thing... it's a new concept of a critter, and not just a slightly differnt critter

I like the basic IDEA of regional variants, jus tin moderation i guess.

[gray vine]

its a pelican...the only pelican

[unkempt kernel]

Pelliper also isn’t…

Hoenn’s regional bird

[gray vine]

i misread this message

[twilit silo]

Well.... I think it's the most commonly encountered bird in Hoenn given that like half of Hoenn is water routes, and you see them on ALL the water routes and several land routes too

[gray vine]

i read it as "its only slightly different"

when you meant its vastly different

[hushed axle]

https://tenor.com/view/l-see-taillow-swellow-blaz27-gif-20872535

[unkempt kernel]

Swellow is cool

[gray vine]

always a pokemon

i think its kinda boring to compare em, but i see pokemon for their designs i dont really do the whole sweaty nerds stat thing

[unkempt kernel]

Would def use a fusion of it and pika for the thunder armor

[gray vine]

anime showin off peak combat there

always do love when its being creative

[unkempt kernel]

I do like swellow tho

[twilit silo]

just pondering design logic. being derivative isn't inherently bad, the question is in the how and what of being different.

[gray vine]

the design is

[twilit silo]

I do kinda think some of the more extreme regional variants would have been better as something totally new.

[gray vine]

they are

litterly in the lore they are new

toadscruel is not a regional form

neither are the new legendary birds appearntly..which i like..and dont like. i do like its not the birds just suddenly transforming but its weird to go with the logic of "oh they are named the same cause they just happend to be named the same"

[unkempt kernel]

The Galar birds are named after the og’s cus of their resemblance a s signature moves

Or smth like that

Tho in lore they technically aren’t regional variants i believe the birds are classed as such?

[gray vine]

each dex entry states the reason for why they got their names

dont think any of em was just "oh he looks like that bird, so we named it that" in lore they just actually happend to be named the exact same. coincidence be crazy

[unkempt kernel]

It’s been a bit since I’ve looked at swsh dey entries

[twilit silo]

yeah, never learned much about SwSh myself.

[gray vine]

i didnt get the dlc cause sword was so shit i never finished it

love the mons in it but man the story was ass and the characters bland

and Bede can die, i dont get why he got a job

[hot hamlet]

Bad takes aside, that means you missed out on the most punchable person in the whole game

[gray vine]

Hop?

[hot hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/avery-avery-pokemon-pokemon-trainer-pokemon-gym-leader-gym-leader-gif-26686006

[unkempt kernel]

Peony?

[hot hamlet]

The lady for this gif was in Sword

[unkempt kernel]

Shield exclusive btw

[hot hamlet]

Both have the same personality

[gray vine]

oh i found the female counterpart much worse

[hot hamlet]

No gif go figure

[unkempt kernel]

For Klara? Damn

[gray vine]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-klara-isle-of-armor-sword-and-shield-gif-19119129

[hot hamlet]

Not under Pokémon Sword dlc

[unkempt kernel]

She had a good battle theme

[hot hamlet]

Also I suppose you could say Chief Bighead from Crown Tundra. (Calyrex) but he was less annoying and more “I don’t understand these modern people”

[unkempt kernel]

Gen 8 had good music whereas 9 was mostly slop except for like, team star boss, the loyal three and pecherunts remix for the loyal 3

[hot hamlet]

I can agree to that

At least Gen 8’s gym theme made me feel like I was in a professional sport

[unkempt kernel]

Yeah

[hot hamlet]

Ngl music can make or break a game for me. And the music, the energy of the gym battles, and Falinks my beloved.
Is why I hold Gen 8 higher up than most other people. To a solid middle ground game

[unkempt kernel]

Ye I liked gen 8

Makes me sad that Gen 8 won’t be in pif (ik why but would have been nice to have used Yamper)

[queen grove]

Sword/shield wasn't my favorite gen by a longshot, but the gym battles felt great.

[hot hamlet]

Look, in 2-ish years we’ll have 10 gens. So we can officially make tiers for 1-10 with a solid measure of what falls where

[queen grove]

9 felt pretty lacking because Terastellize could have been used way more interestingly (IE: let the ghost gym turn normal, or dark, that's less predictable and leads to way more interesting pokemon)

(specifically gyms, I mean)

[queen grove]

Corviknight would be GREAT in PIF...

[hushed axle]

I just want tinkaton so we can have a bunch of really small mons holding really big hammers

[hot hamlet]

So far (remakes not included)
Gen 5 (best story mainly on part of actually expanding on the game with a sequel)
Gen 3 (intro so bias)
Gen 4 (less enjoyed than 3 but still good. Platinum really carried and if I counted remakes HGSS would make this #1)
Gen 8 (good mons, good music, actually had fun with it)
Gen 2 (no opinions, never played. so middle of the board
Gen 1 (no opinion, never played. so middle of the board)
Gen 6 (wasted potential due to outside factors)
Gen 7 (don’t get me started. Good mons, good story. Bad region)
Gen 9 (the great DLC can’t forgive a sloppy base. Also I had tech problems that resulted in completing this game twice and I hated it, so bias?)

[gray vine]

i have not once terrastylized in the game, besides when i just wanted to overkill for style but i never needed it

[brittle crow]

Joltik + hammer

[hushed axle]

Please

[hot hamlet]

No, because Jolt haters will just make sprites with a squished Jolt on the hammer

[hushed axle]

[brittle crow]

throwback to the sad run where one mon got bugsplat

[hot hamlet]

Exactly

[queen grove]

They also really dropped the ball on Zarude... It was literally unobtainable by the first time I heard about it. XD

[hushed axle]

Gimme lil wooper with his dumb smile holding tinkatons hammer

[hot hamlet]

With what hands?

[queen grove]

I wanna hammer swinging Machamp. XD

[hot hamlet]

That exists with Aggron/Machamp I think

[queen grove]

Hell yeah.

I would say Malamar, but mah squiddy boi has no need for conventional weaponry.

[hot hamlet]

Also not available

[hushed axle]

Mouf

[queen grove]

MOUF

Yea... Maybe someday my upside-down buddy will get added. 🙂

[hot hamlet]

Wait!
Malamar and Octillery.
What would THAT look like???

[rancid nymph]

The same hands he uses Ice Punch with

[brittle crow]

Double fused malamar is just malamar

not upside down

Or would that then be upside down....

[rancid nymph]

So Inkay then

[molten loom]

sideways then

[brittle crow]

[queen grove]

I just love his design, and contrary is hella fun, even moreso if he were in PIF.

[hot hamlet]

I have a book in its first draft with a massive giant squid and thousands of tentacles (pretty much the larger ones would branch out like a tree)

Yes it was meant to be a nightmare. The story is about literally fighting nightmares

Maybe that?

[brittle crow]

I may be late to the discussion on this but

what do Scrafty and Minior do?
I imagine Gourgeist, Diancie, as a spatker, Ludiculo as a rain setter? spatker,
But those two, just phys atker and wall?

i didnt play gens with them so idk

[stuck hill]

Scrafty has intimidate and Moxie, plus it can donate Dragon Dance to something

basically it does the same stuff as Gyarados but without passing an electric weakness

[brittle crow]

donate?

o fusion

ic...

[stuck hill]

Minior gets Shell Smash

that's the big thing for it

[brittle crow]

Doesn't that make Scrafty a different type salamence?

kinda same-ish deal

[stuck hill]

yeah, there's a lot of mons with intimidate/moxie as abilities

Mence, gyara, scrafty, Krook, etc

but Krook doesn't get DD for some reason lmao

But Minior being able to pass both Shell Smash and a flying type for STAB Acrobatics means putting it with somebody like Hawlucha for Unburden can be really scary

[brittle crow]

Got it. Thank you for the breakdown

I will figure out what I wanna use em with

[full bison]

Also worth noting that what a Pokemon does mechanically is only one part of what makes them worth adding to IF. Scrafty also adds a punk aesthetic to the pile of styles to work with.

[twilit silo]

I for one want giant spiders. 😄

[molten loom]

Is this first person pov from the dragon?

For the 2nd picture

[full bison]

Eternally smiling SuMo Protag, how I missed you

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-fire-house-burning-okay-gif-5263684

[rancid nymph]

According to Masters they’re “slow to react to things”

[hushed axle]

They have slow start

[pale sparrow]

gen 8 has not a single memorable track that isnt a battle theme

[unkempt kernel]

True

[hexed agate]

The gym leader music?

It even got reused for gen 9 iirc

[ember bear]

battle theme ig

[carmine iris]

Yeah all the swsh themes i like are battle themes

Namely the toby fox one and

The dogs vs eternatus

[hexed agate]

@hazy fable the snake and mongoose are boring

[hazy fable]

cmon

we need a friendly snake

-# also a cooler grass type

I dont really like oshawott line design wise

[hexed agate]

maybe I don't like you design-wise

[hazy fable]

Cant blame you there

[eager jungle]

there's a snake that is grass type too

[full bison]

Heavily disagree. Cascaraffa, Levinica, both E4, Treasures of Ruin, and Area Zero all have good tracks

[unkempt kernel]

I don't a zero, tressure is good i forgot about them tbh, Cascaraffa i don't remember and Levincia has the same issues i have with penny's theme, techno slop, its just noise

[fathom ridge]

I don’t think music has declined in quality in Pokémon ever or the Pokémons designs themself

I think the overworld themes are pretty good also

[unkempt kernel]

overworks

[fathom ridge]

Damn

[full bison]

The only game I'd really say had a mostly forgettable soundtrack was XY. Besides the Legendary theme I hardly remember any tracks

[fathom ridge]

Fixed

[unkempt kernel]

Tbh i only remember the boutique theme

[fathom ridge]

There were some very good cities themes in that game

[hexed agate]

treasure is a bop

[full bison]

Meh. I mostly just remember Dendemille there and that's it.

XY also has my single least favorite Gym theme. It feels so low energy compared to most others

[fathom ridge]

Also once again this channel has become general 2

[unkempt kernel]

Well ye, we dont have any new mons to talk about

[fathom ridge]

True sadly this channel will be closed around this Sunday

[weak trellis]

annistar's theme goes to wistful tho

also when I hear "slop" I just think of keiran's champ theme after hearing someone complain about it on a pokerogue stream

that being said yea for me most of the overworld themes basically just blend into the background (with a few exceptions like area zero or vast poni canyon) while the battle themes become more and more involved (or better or for worse)

my least favorite pokemon track of all time tho is still the HG/SS Regular trainer battle theme though so lol (the gen 2 version is alright but nothing spectacular, the orchestra crash at the start of HG/SS's version just ruins it hard for me though)

[full bison]

I genuinely can't even remember Champion Keiran's theme, and that's especially bad for me considering I liked most of the other Indigo Disc tracks, so it fades even further into the background

[twin phoenix]

I don't have the SV DLC but I heard it on a video. It reminded me of Wally's battle theme which I don't like at all.
Nemona's theme was rather surprising since I'm not a fan of the character but also enjoy jazz.

[full bison]

Wally's theme is like the start to a really good theme that they never got around to finishing

[twin phoenix]

Gen 8 themes.. oh, how I love the wild area theme with the bagpipes and Ballonlea. Minako Adachi made some of my favorites like Anistar City and Aether Paradise.

[full bison]

Shout out to the Ultra Wormhole locations for having more memorable overworld themes than 80% of the rest of Gen 7 (Poni Wilds and Vast Poni Canyon being the big exceptions)

[gray stream]

#1310683068876460033 beast

[twin phoenix]

I don't really remember the Ultra Wormhole themes, but Poni Wilds is an underrated gem to my ears. And then there's Malie City day and Seafolk Village night themes, oh so heavenly.

[sweet spoke]

mfw lumiose city theme

when a XY song was good, It was GOOD

[full bison]

I despise Lumiose, the theme and the location

Such a nothing theme

Such an aggravating location to navigate

Why the hell did it need a reputation system

[weak trellis]

late but also context is important with some songs

I think Gladion's encounter theme is probably the song that stands out for me as sounding better in the game's context than on its own

[full bison]

I really hope ZA does something interesting with Lumiose's layout and grade school stage play-ass theme

[glacial sparrow]

is Heatran a controversial addition considering bug/steel fusions that get flash fire?

[weak trellis]

I mean heatran is in my top 5 mons so I'm probably a bad person to ask on that lol

[glacial sparrow]

fusions that have no weakness are already a thing, you could have levitate on conversion electric, levitate on dark/poison, but they aren't as defensively powerful as flash fire bug/steel

sap sipper on water/ground

but flash fire bug/steel is also really powerful in pvp, hard checking the speedy magic guard mind blown users

[prime dust]

sigh

being completely immune is not possible

there is always a way around it

will keep saying that til people get it in their head

[glacial sparrow]

well of course

mold breaker destroys any of that

but outside of things meant to break it, it's immune to super effective hits

from any type attack

[glacial sparrow]

freezy dry still hits this for 4x damage as a check

[glacial sparrow]

Thousand Arrows, Gravity, etc

there are specific moves and abilities that counter this, but it's a much smaller roster than what could usually check it if it didn't have the technically immune to Super Effective hits

flash fire has the least vulnerabilities as there is no move that goes around it as well as Thousand Arrows or Freeze Dry

for their respective technically immune combinations

on top of the nice side bonuses that Steel provides, Immunity to Poison and Sandstorm damage

and the flash fire preventing burns

could make for a rather powerful phys sweeper

[glacial sparrow]

*not completely immune to burns

[earnest briar]

What new Pokémon are being added in update

And how do I update to new version and keep save file

Is there list of pokemon being added

[unkempt kernel]

check pins

[earnest briar]

Can u send link

[tacit saddle]

just check the pins man

it's at the top of your screen if you're on desktop

if you're on mobile tap the channel name and tap pins

[rain locust]

yeah but it shouldnt

[gray vine]

love heatran

[velvet root]

Heatran is a good frog

Or Toad idk

[gray vine]

Lava Monster

[inland jewel]

If double abilities mode ever does get introduced

Then Heatran would be my instant Plz No

Cause I’m not running hail on the off chance I meet a heatran/Shedinja

[full bison]

Heatran would give us a similar lava texture as Magcargo without having to use Magcargo

That's a plus

[weak trellis]

and also a steel type head with special attacking stats

unless frog makes it fire/steel lol

...wait you're saying it already is fire/steel???

[inland jewel]

Isn’t most of the fire moves special anyway

Fire for Heatran head would make more sense

Especially since I think it would be passing the fiery textures as the head

[severe glen]

Whats the best dual typing?

Some say Ground/Ice but I dont really understand that seeing as their weakness typing is so common

[inland jewel]

Poison/Steel and Ground/Fairy from what I hear

[severe glen]

Just noticed I completely asked this in the wrong channel, my bad

[weak trellis]

speaking of physical fire moves I'm surprised that fire lash isn't on the one island tutor considering some other odd gen 7 moves are (lunge lol)

would probably be a bit too strong in some cases but then again it's probably competing with things like V-create and some recoiless flare blitz users lol

[glacial sparrow]

obviously double abilities mode should be limited so that you can't stack immunity abilities

and the only reason to run hail is in place of a screen setter for AV

which AV gets worse distribution than screens

you could run leech seed

or mold breaker

or corrosion

or even something diabolical

[inland jewel]

I would love to run Corrosion

If it was in this game at all

[glacial sparrow]

very fast entrainment truant

[rain locust]

its good bc the stab synergize well together

[glacial sparrow]

ruins wonder guard and has a use outside of it

[rain locust]

there are good offensive typings and good defensive typings

[glacial sparrow]

yes, it's why cloycario is good

skill link

gound/ice coverage

[rain locust]

no that ones mid

[glacial sparrow]

shell smash

[glacial sparrow]

the only other way cloy can run bone rush is if you use marowak and that's slow

[rain locust]

well i have no experience with it ingame so it depends on which meta youre talking about

bc in this channel it could be casual or comp

[glacial sparrow]

it's powerful casual

idk comp that much

[glacial sparrow]

this is actually such a wildcard because you can also just run a regular hawlucha set on it

the bulk is very decent too

[rain locust]

poison steel is real bad bc you just stack resistances and weaknesses which isnt useful

in addition to being a passive offensive typing

[severe glen]

ive just been using a steel/dragon for most of the game

[weak trellis]

hence why steel/grass is so useful because it avoids stacking resistances and instead gives steel three that it really apprecaites (water, electric, and a ground neutrality)

[rain locust]

yeah

steel dragon is good too

[full bison]

Fire/Grass is a deceptively amazing type combo

[glacial sparrow]

that's why I use levitate and avoid poison stab

yeah they're good defensive types but it does get redundant

it stacks 3 resistances at least

between fairy, grass, and poison

[rain locust]

ghost and normal dont hit anything steel doesnt though

[full bison]

Steel isn't the best STAB either.

[thorny verge]

Is shedinja fused with slaking is actually good?

[full bison]

113 attack is good, but I personally consider Normal/Ghost the worst of the 3 type combos that leave Shedinja with only one weakness due to Dark moves being much more common than Fairy and not having the same immunities as with Bug/Steel

[rain locust]

no it isnt

slaking doesnt give any good moves that shed wants like endeavor, pain split, knock off, hazards, etc

this is my shed tier list

[full bison]

Why Seed above Thorn, may I ask?

[rain locust]

lower speed lets you click endeavor after they click recover

[clear lichen]

I'd like to nominate Ghost/Fairy

Potent offensively, not bad defensively

Let me look for something that's top tier in both rq though

[full bison]

Flutter Mane laughs in the distance

[clear lichen]

May be able to do better

Ground Fairy would be good if it fucking existed

It'd be way easier to name the best defensively and the best offensively

Even then, best defensively has many contenders

Most of which are Steel type lmao

Stuff like Steel/Grass and Steel/Fairy come to mind instantly

Offensively, I think of stuff like Ghost/Fairy, Ghost/Fighting, Ice/Electric, Ice(Freeze Dry)/Water etc

Ground/Rock is also good offensively

[full bison]

Too bad every single Ground/Rock type tries to be bulky lol

"it's a rock, and rocks are slow."

[clear lichen]

Bulky Rock type

[full bison]

And then the type was doomed to mediocrity

[clear lichen]

The sequel to bulky Ice type

Or prequel? Idk

They existed at the same time tbf

But wasn't Rhydon conceptualised as the first Pokemon?

So yeah, prequel

Rock/Ground wasn't bad back then tbf

Mainly because of the big fucking electric bird and the angry bull and the fat sleepy bear

Among other things

I noted the electric bird first not because it was the best of the 3 but because it's the only one that is completely fucked by Rock/Ground

[carmine iris]

John bulky ice type

[hushed axle]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-dance-calyrex-gif-19192527

Big head go brrr

[full bison]

The funniest part is that the way fusions work and past precedence with canon fusion mons would make Calyrex+Glastrier awful lmao

[velvet root]

Had to share this Goat Eumelprinz made
#1319573408408797195

[toxic jolt]

Npw we need it to replace bike when you have it

[velvet root]

Would be nice ngl

[velvet root]

Thinking about it
It could be a cool static fusion in a Bike shop

Or even in a Biker hideout

[twilit silo]

steel got a lot better when they added Fairy as atype

it has 3 things it hits now.

[midnight mango]

that the worst looking thing ive ever seen

[full bison]

Yeah, Calyrex is probably my least favorite Legendary Pokemon. It's not cool looking at all and its alternative forms ruined VGC

[clever lotus]

lol sick as hell

pokemon Scarlet and Violet type sheet

[nocturne flint]

yooooo is slurpuff being added?

its one of my 2 favorites and golurk is the other and that's in the game so thats hype

[ripe wigeon]

beta tester no longer has green name. so...

[ocean lark]

[ripe wigeon]

finally time to say goodbye to this channel

[hollow plume]

Where will I remind everyone of the need for mighters?

[autumn radish]

Welp, it seems we're close to release... I guess?

[trail hull]

Beta tester got its color juiced out

[ocean lark]

this reminds me of kalos starter reveal
colour roles fading

[opaque ether]

Next year, baby

[bronze barn]

Poipole when smh

[civic harness]

Next year

We would see who are the lucky ones

Anyways, last words here before the end?

[tender plank]

🙏 oh mighty lord if you're real, add the funny sea turtle to the game next year

[ripe wigeon]

I hope this channel could be reopened on the IF 10th anniversary (7.0 maybe

[prime dust]

unlikely

[civic harness]

Or maybe next year if we are very lucky

[prime dust]

we might see it reopened in summer

[prime dust]

that is next year

[full bison]

I'd honestly be surprised if the 10th anniversary didn't coincide with the addition of more Pokemon

[trail hull]

Oh my

[prime dust]

i wouldn't, frog just added in 31

[ripe wigeon]

April 22 as frog mentioned

[civic harness]

Holy

[tender plank]

holy polygons

[prime dust]

so that is 3 days late, but still

[trail hull]

That early !?

[civic harness]

Holy Arceus

[prime dust]

next year is 10 years frog has been working on the game

[he's probably been working on it longer than that but you get what i mean]

[civic harness]

Well, 10 years of fusions

[civic harness]

Probably

[ripe wigeon]

hope the official release of 6.3 would be today

[full bison]

6.4*

Apparently 6.3 is strictly for the beta

[ripe wigeon]

6.4 then

[prime dust]

the release might get delayed

a game breaking bug was found so frog had to fix it

which may push the release back

[ripe wigeon]

pokemon players are best at waiting

[prime dust]

still waiting to get news on gen 5 remake

[trail hull]

Still waiting to gets news on plza

[full bison]

Please no

Not after BDSP ruined Gen 4

I can't stand the idea of the PWT getting the Battle Frontier treatment

[prime dust]

only reason that happened was gamefreak let another company make those games

[full bison]

And you think they won't do it again?

[prime dust]

given the backlash, its possible

[trail hull]

Funfact bdsp is bad because of gamefreak

They wanted to keep the game faithful and refused when the company asked to add platinum content

[trail hull]

It still sold a lot (I might be wrong but I think even more then pla)

[full ether]

Hollowknight players can't say the same

[marble meadow]

still don,t know if i should start my delibird run or later when update is out

[prime dust]

it'll not happen eventually

[prime dust]

i'd say wait'

that way you get 31 new options for fusions

62 if you want to get technical

[outer matrix]

It's funny since some glitches were brought over from the original game due to this (but most of these are patched I think)

[weak trellis]

I think some postgame fights also retained a few gen 4 moves that Swish got rid of (I remember feint attack being on one of them)

which was only noticable if you used transform but could still cause a softlock if that was your last/only mon

[velvet root]

Huh? Is the update out? #downloads

[molten loom]

Not yet

[velvet root]

Oh okay
Nah I do let my game update every now and then cuz of small patches and saw how big it is and after checking there was a message

[craggy fossil]

i think they edited the message cause i remember it saying 6.4 the first time i saw it

[velvet root]

Ooooh

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/300-shields-ready-ready-frank-miller-spartans-gif-6474441715775994851

[full ether]

Sure it will

[craggy fossil]

where is my Torkoal

[velvet root]

So the update finished and I got 6.4 lol

[hot hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/i-want-to-believe-pic-or-didn't-happen-conspiracy-theorist-prove-it-tin-foil-hat-gif-15681411053337064653

[molten loom]

Kind of confused about what's going on

[velvet root]

Nah im not kidding

[molten loom]

Ok wow spoilers, that looks nice

[hot hamlet]

@shell orchid ? I’m scared. Can we have clarification?

[molten loom]

Once its fully out I will probably avoid this discord for a bit, because of spoilers

Unless I can get the first hall of fame again

[shell orchid]

we were about to release. I found a bug in INSTALL_OR_UPDATE.bat not updating

That is why frog deleted it in #downloads

i posted a new one. Frog working on announcements.

I am updating the Launcher to have this fix as well, so new launcher update too

[hot hamlet]

So Zero has the bad version of 6.4?

Also thank Arceus actually. I’m out of the house for the day so I’d be late to the party if you released today

[velvet root]

Nah the bug was that it wont update for some

First new mon will be Luvdisc

[outer matrix]

Fusiondex websites will finally be updated later

This channel will also go away soon so

[full bison]

https://youtu.be/y5xQnN53VI8?si=G9bm0MKRdm8kyFiQ

[velvet root]

Maybe

Found luvdisc woooooooooooooo

[long lance]

[velvet root]

and froakie

[full bison]

I can't wait to use the Slurpuff/Scrafty that I drew the concept art for

[hot hamlet]

I just wonder if Misty will be updated again since so many people have complained that Remix is too hard

[trail hull]

it's out

I wonder we'll get an explanation onto why are we skipping 6.3

[tacit saddle]

6.3 just never left the beta stage

[hot hamlet]

I’d assume it’s because:

• took so long May as well
• so many people downloaded the beta it was a moot point

[full bison]

Can't wait to see tons of people saying they downloaded 6.3, confirming they have fake files

[sand mica]

Can we get Skuntank and Grumpig soon?

[rotund summit]

hm

[full bison]

Maybe next big update

[rotund summit]

not sure im a fan of the AI generated pokedex entries

[trail hull]

not too son tho

[tender plank]

see you next year, touga nation 🫡

[rotund summit]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[half cairn]

did the alola starters get added yet?

[tender plank]

we (I) will win next year, trust

[sand mica]

Will this mean Skuntank will be added this summer for the tenth anniversary?

[marble meadow]

good that i wait now perpering some mons for my run wich are slurpuff gourgeist ludicolo and diancie onlythe others i may use in a mix team or when i find some good fusions with the new ones

[fathom ridge]

welp chat this channel has its days counted 🫡

[coral axle]

It’s a Christmas miracle!

[bronze barn]

The last days of this channel

Remember Poipole chat

NEXT YEAR SURELY

[carmine iris]

It was nice knowing you guys

[marble meadow]

also first i try to find them in my completed sav

[fathom ridge]

Its so sad we are all going to disappear into dust

[half cairn]

i want to know if primarina is in-

[trail hull]

I think it should be mentioned at the end that it's ai

[carmine iris]

Primarina isnt

[tender plank]

wait wha-

[carmine iris]

Sadly

[half cairn]

oof

at least meloetta is

[fathom ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-vikavolt-charjabug-gif-9816156

[trail hull]

It's so sad , I won't have discussion with white names anymore

[fathom ridge]

one last time

vikavolt its pretty cool

[civic harness]

Epic

[full bison]

UBs when

[civic harness]

When they want to add more pokemons that are difficult to get

[sand mica]

Obviously they're going to add Guzzlord soon.

[tender plank]

ok guys i'm gonna bring out the shovels and dig out those damn cover and plume fossils myself if no one else will

[bold atlas]

Well this is a hell of a christmas present huh

[tender plank]

all 5 of my shovels

[full bison]

"this item can be sold to someone at a high price."

[fallen loom]

only 31 of 50~?

[fathom ridge]

i wonder if it counts the ones that already were in the beta

[tender plank]

these shovels are all i have timmy, please

[ember bear]

oh hey update dropped

[carmine iris]

Still trying to find some iceroot and shaderoot carrots

[ember bear]

time for all the traces of my existance to vanish

[tender plank]

gl mate, we'll find them soon enough if we try!

[full bison]

Calyrex being added would be hilarious considering how useless it would be considering past precedence with other canon fusions

[outer matrix]

470 was last update's total, so add that up with 31 and that'll be 501 total

[carmine iris]

Im gonna need all the help i can get (they are not getting added until 2030)

[fathom ridge]

mudslane can still get in and thats also a horse

[full bison]

I think the absolute funniest addition that could happen is adding the LGPE Partner moves to Pikachu and the Eeveelutions learnset by Move Expert. Imagine the chaos on the Showdown server having to deal with Baddy Bad Umbreon fusions

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/dawn-majora-finalday-gif-9607331

Farewell to thee channel

[carmine iris]

Shiny naganadel looks like mega beedrill

Holy shi

[fathom ridge]

soon we will be banished to the shadow realm

[carmine iris]

No i will call my friend kevin to save us

[nocturne flint]

SLURPUFF IS FINALLY HERE LETS GOOOOOO

[wide merlin]

to the next uptade

the next update , we will have lumineon, spheal and mighthyena sure

[atomic hornet]

Maybe we'll keep this up for a few more days

[stone mica]

Oh! The github alternative finally got served?? Having a shit pc, when it got banned, that was a sad time

[hidden relic]

Cloudflare, right?

[atomic hornet]

Yep

[hidden relic]

nice

[stone mica]

devs are so wonderful ♥️ty devs!!

[cloud flume]

hi

[tender plank]

hi toblerone

[atomic hornet]

The repo is still there and we still use it, but the caveat was that we had to make it private. We got around this by using cloud flare to distribute the repo as opposed to directly from the repo. If that makes sense

[stone mica]

Kinda like having a middle man distributing?

If so, ye that does make sense

[cloud flume]

ok so just making sure, does updating manually also not actually download the update or is manual fine

[atomic hornet]

Yep, unfortunately cloud flare is coming out of Frogs pocket, but this was the only way he's officially in the negative from this game lol

[full bison]

Thanks, Gitlab, for being inconsistent with your ToS

[stone mica]

O shit I'd suggest maybe donations but the big N doesn't like that shit 😭

[atomic hornet]

For real, we didn't actually do anything wrong and were never told exactly what we broke with the tos. It was completely out of the blue. Thankfully Frog was able to negotiate with them about just having it private as opposed to having it shut down completely. Now me and Kiwi have an extra step with the sprite packs, but it's not that bad

I wish we could take donations, but yeah we can't. Frog puts so much into this game and the only thing he wants is for people to enjoy it

[earnest mortar]

TIME TO GET FENNIKEN!!!

[inland jewel]

Time for my boy Kommo

[full bison]

I really do appreciate Frog for being willing to go this far to make sure people enjoy this game and all the fun stuff that's come with it.

[atomic hornet]

He's dealing with some update related things right now, but I'll pass along the message. It makes him really happy to hear this 🙂

[wide merlin]

i waiting the uptade since kommo-o release and i will take pleasure to play this new pokémon

[wide merlin]

delphox best starter from kalos

[earnest mortar]

Agreed

[full bison]

I have so many Delphox sketches I've done for this- one of which got sprited, and another of which I fully plan on redoing. Definitely my fave Pokemon addition from this

(Delphox/Gourgeist if you wanna know what got sprited)

[wide merlin]

i wait one custom sprite with delphox : cresselia delphox for an renalla inspiration from elden ring : the pokemon from the full moon with the pokemon look like witch

[trail hull]

chritsmas bonus confirmation maybe

also it's so sweet of frog to release it in december

it's like an early christmas present 😄

[full bison]

I'd go straight into using that Delphox/Gourgeist if I wasn't already planning out a Sun team where Typhlosion or Charizard would be a better Starter option

[hearty skiff]

So... What are some cool fusions y'all are excited to use?

[tacit saddle]

ive already used a few

[safe veldt]

How many starters are now in the game? I’m curious to see those and when I’m the game I can get them

[hearty skiff]

Same, mostly asked for the non-beta testers (also, fire team).

[hearty skiff]

Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh and Kalos

[safe veldt]

Wanna see some gen 5 starter fusions at some point

[tacit saddle]

ty i posted the spriters' credits in #hall-of-fame

[full bison]

Drew the concept art for this, and Quote absolutely cooked with the sprite itself

[unkempt kernel]

Really need to find a lurantis, gourgeist, pod and kommo-o

[safe veldt]

Aw dang. Still no 5 or 7

[hearty skiff]

NEXT YEAR

[safe veldt]

Maybe haha

[hearty skiff]

maybe

[safe veldt]

I’m just glad to get away from the toxicity

[hearty skiff]

Fr

Can't wait for server to be silent tomorrow.

[tacit saddle]

not sure why it was making me panic so bad but yeah definitely need to mute general for a while

[safe veldt]

Do you know if it’s possible to change your starter options in classic mode? I want to do a classic mode nuzlocke but with different starters.

[hearty skiff]

Good idea.

[hearty skiff]

It should ask "Use regular starters".

Before you make a new game.

Choose no

[full bison]

You can use whatever starter after your 1st save is made

[tacit saddle]

❗ if you have a pre-existing save too

[safe veldt]

Thanks. I’m super close to finishing Persona 3 Reload, so I’ll probably start IF after that.

[hearty skiff]

I'm probably gonna start a 6.4 save tomorrow.

[safe veldt]

Haven’t gotten much enjoyment out of that game like I did with other Persona games, but I’m already this close to the end, I should see it through

[hearty skiff]

Wait, are the new fusions on the website already?

[trail hull]

no

[hearty skiff]

K

[safe veldt]

Downloading the update, everything, can be done through the launcher, right? Like it’s been made way easier?

[chrome kiln]

The unova starter hate is real tho, the kalos starter gets to be on the game before unova starters XD

[stone mica]

♥️♥️♥️ I'll def download the update to honor his effort. Send him my love too ♥️and that may he and his team have great holidays ♥️

[atomic hornet]

I'm sure he'll wanna answer Thank you, we work so hard

[safe veldt]

My word, I made the mistake of going back to general

[spice sage]

Awww thank you so much!! I hope you have a great holiday too

[trail hull]

frog you cooked with this update

[safe veldt]

This Ocxin guy is just insufferable, I’m sorry you are going through this, Frog. Love what you’ve created.

[atomic hornet]

After I bullied him to add shit 😤

[trail hull]

Only time where bllying is good

also paya do you know why we skipped 6.3?

[atomic hornet]

I can't wait until you guys see what we're cooking for an update for next year

[atomic hornet]

He was fucking with me specifically to bother me

[trail hull]

Thank you for confirmign that we get an update next year

[trail hull]

Frog and his love for trolling

[atomic hornet]

Well I dont know when it'll come out, it may take a year to develop, just like character customization lol

[velvet root]

I hope I can get the Diancie again
I wont release a team memeber for that

[trail hull]

Also apparently 2025 will mark pif 10th anniversary

[fathom ridge]

Paya when you say you may keep the channel up a few days are you insinuating something?

[spice sage]

I gotta say, this channel is a lot more chill than general 😅

[molten loom]

General is a cat fight

[safe veldt]

ITS BEEN AROUND THAT LONG?!?!?

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-fight-gif-25469942

[atomic hornet]

Nah, we're feeling generous c:

[trail hull]

Sprite-general and this channel are the better general

[safe veldt]

I just got tired of general. I don’t see the point of the argument. Let them tucker themselves out. They big mad for the sake of being mad at this point

[trail hull]

one time I saw someoen was trash talking on me because I explain we couldn't add voice channel in suggestion-chat thread

[fathom ridge]

Random internet people can be weird

[atomic hornet]

I mean we did add something to the update last night, but who knows how long it'll take to find lol

[molten loom]

Yeah white names are saying that spriters would be upset, and like spriter general is tame

[trail hull]

guys it's time to datamine the games

[tender plank]

i'm sorry what

[atomic hornet]

[trail hull]

quick let's check under every truck

[fathom ridge]

Okay so grubbin is in route one, gotcha

[atomic hornet]

I made Frog put something in, but I worked on everything for it. I'm tired lol

[bitter comet]

I’m not a fan of Ai, but if the environment is not damaged or anything I can ignore it lol

[fathom ridge]

It’s ludicolo in the beta all over again

[tender plank]

if it's tirtouga then i might actually tweak out

[atomic hornet]

Not a new pokemon, just something small and fun

[outer matrix]

there's 3 game suggestions that are about removing the ai dex entries now

[trail hull]

honestly if the dex entry as a litte thign that says ai , I don't mind. However claiming that what ai made is your property is bad

[fathom ridge]

I don’t think anyone would be mad if they were removed tbh

And I don’t think they add a lot to the game

[bitter comet]

Very true

[trail hull]

tbh the spliced dex entry . are fun especially the stunfisk : it's the god of the universe it created everything. Then it waits

[fathom ridge]

Then it waits

[bitter comet]

Or it has control over time and it waits(I vaguely remember something like this being a spliced entry)

[molten loom]

#playthrough-talk message or this one

[trail hull]

lmao

[atomic hornet]

just saying, the dex entries are made from official games. And actual dex entries made from our unowns take priority it's something he worked hard on

[fathom ridge]

So the AI entries are only fed official games entries?

[bitter comet]

Man, if I get up the motivation to do it, I might want to make a dex entry sometime

[tacit saddle]

do it

[molten loom]

Personally I am neutral to the ai dexs

[molten loom]

yes

[bitter comet]

Don’t really know what I would work on or if I have the skill though lol

[fathom ridge]

This tbh

[safe veldt]

They are all just being so toxic and mean over in general. Anti-AI people are just as annoying as AI fanatics.

[atomic hornet]

Dont want to bring that debate in here, but out of everything that was added its a bummer to see this one thing hyperfixated on

[safe veldt]

Big same

[tacit saddle]

i am too

enough outta me on that topic though

[bitter comet]

Neutral, facing kind of disappointed for me, but neutral all the same

[tacit saddle]

love the one O

[atomic hornet]

Yep, the prompt is quite literally "Generate a dex entry for a fusion between these two Pokemon, also here are their official dex entries for reference"

[fathom ridge]

Anyways will we get another batch next summer or before that?

Or later

[safe veldt]

Especially since we got 30 new mons AND FULL TRAINER CUSTOMIZATION

[molten loom]

31*

[fathom ridge]

I like the funny hats

[safe veldt]

Also what’s the boy about joining Team Rocket? Is that a main story or postgame thing?

[trail hull]

It's because as we speak ai is usign badly and they are very few laws that encadrates it properly so a lot lot lot of people use it unfairly. Therefore you either are in the hate camp or love camp

[bitter comet]

I can’t wait to use Golisopod

And join team rocket

[trail hull]

I' so happy abotu traienr customization

[bitter comet]

Same

[trail hull]

I made a few hats too

[fathom ridge]

I can’t wait to eat slurpuff

[bitter comet]

Epic

[molten loom]

The new option to show the opponents type is also very nice

[fathom ridge]

I kinda want to make a tophat

[atomic hornet]

Trainer customization was in development for over a year. We started in September or October 2023

[trail hull]

I have idea of where and how you get them but they are there

[atomic hornet]

[fathom ridge]

Wasn’t there a #game-suggestions post about that today also?

[molten loom]

probably

[mortal ridge]

Can I just say I just had a big smile on my face when I got the "normal" gift I'm already in love with this update.... Now to go fashion hunting

[trail hull]

oh god

[safe veldt]

My only question is, (since this feels like a safer place to ask) will the ai dex entries impact game performance at all? Cause my potato laptop don’t do well

[bitter comet]

Do it

[molten loom]

its a common one

[bitter comet]

I wish to look fancy

✨✨✨

Speaking of fancy, if I finally have the ability to wear a tuxedo in this game

Or a suit

[fathom ridge]

Okay this Christmas I’ll do a tophat

[safe veldt]

Yeah, took so long to finally see it fully implemented. I’m happy

[fathom ridge]

And maybe a suit but that sounds hard

[molten loom]

I'm so close to having the update downloaded

96%

[fathom ridge]

Can we do costumes of non-IF mons?

I had the idea of vikavolt bike wear

[bitter comet]

That sounds cool

[trail hull]

since we got custom dex entris and now character customization. It's tiem for custom shinies

[bitter comet]

[atomic hornet]

Oh yeah we don't condone what it's infamous for

[bitter comet]

Man, I’m wondering if I should do an all run

[fathom ridge]

When I saw the game for the first time I just assumed there weren’t shinys, the hue shift is so cool

[bitter comet]

Agreed

[trail hull]

Now that the update is out I can't wait to see my rank in the spriters once fusiondex is updated

[mortal ridge]

Spriters have ranks?

[safe veldt]

Yooooo yes please

[fathom ridge]

Not really but there is the number of sprites made

[atomic hornet]

https://www.fusiondex.org/artists/

It's just a thing to show how many sprites people have made

[fathom ridge]

You do get a role at 100, 500 and 1000

[bitter comet]

How we feeling chat, bonk run or normal run so I can try out the full variety of Pokémon added?

[mortal ridge]

Oh did not know this one ^^ thanks and also HOLY HELL 1775 hehe gods I love all our spriters

[fathom ridge]

Do one with only new mons!

[hazy fable]

wait are we losing this channel now that we have updated?

[bitter comet]

Alr

[molten loom]

it will be a few days at least

[fathom ridge]

In a few days we will all be banished

[bitter comet]

I just realized that means I can use that epic delfox/Golisopod sprite

I will have the le fishing man

[hazy fable]

[molten loom]

still 96%, my internet is not the best right now

[tacit saddle]

i got stuck in the 90s too

[atomic hornet]

Soon we'll be keeping it up a couple more days longer than planned cause we're feeling generous

[fathom ridge]

It’s kinda sad that everyone who talked in this channel is going to be banished to the shadow realm next week but ah well it it what it is

[molten loom]

at one point it was at 60 kib/s

now its around 500 kib/s to 1.2 mbs

[bitter comet]

Oooo cool there’s a new starting screen!

[tender plank]

😰

[bitter comet]

And it is very cool

[atomic hornet]

I guess you'll have to migrate to #spriter-general or #playthrough-talk

[fathom ridge]

Spriter general is actually pretty nice

[mortal ridge]

Starting screen is so shiny I LOVE IT

[atomic hornet]

I've been hanging there more often c:

[bitter comet]

I unfortunately cannot speak there because I cannot sprite

[fathom ridge]

But this channel had a something

[molten loom]

especially compared to regular general

[bitter comet]

I know right? it’s awesome!

[hazy fable]

#spriter-general is just #wholesome ||or #fever-dream depending on the time of the day||

[fathom ridge]

I haven’t ever seen regular general bc I imagined it would be full of whacky stuff and I see that I was right

[fathom ridge]

Fever dreams are fun tho

[bitter comet]

Kudos to whoever made the starting screen. They cooked.

[hazy fable]

Fair

[full bison]

I really hope playing through the update can helpreignite the creative spark I found recently

[mortal ridge]

Are you keeping all the fun parties for the people who can actually draw

[bitter comet]

@pliant folio you cooked

[full bison]

Anyone got any suggestions for me to draw to help me get over my Artist Block?

[marble meadow]

well only whimpod minior and diancie then i guees i got all the new ones or missng one

[fathom ridge]

Something/bisharp

[bitter comet]

Something/Malamar

[mortal ridge]

Like two Pokémon's or just something to draw in general?

[hazy fable]

Free Draw sketch

just squiggle

until your brain comes up with something

[full bison]

2 Pokemon, preferably

[wide merlin]

lumineon / delphox

[molten loom]

It's done

[boreal crypt]

31 new mons are the unova starts in the game yet?

[glad vector]

Can't wait to fuse a bunch of pokemon with greninja I know they're going to go unreasonably hard

[molten loom]

Time to vanish to avoid spoilers

[wide merlin]

no ...

they skip for kalos starter

[mortal ridge]

An artist friend of mine told me when she had hit a wall, she took a long walk and then came home, sat down and just drawn the first thing that came to mind, no matter how hard or easy it was. you can try to do the same, just empty mind and then close your eyes and use the 2 first Pokemon that come into your head ^^ don't matter if it's good or bad, or some you like or have an idea for, that come to your mind so go ham ^^

[full bison]

Unova is likely going to be the last starter group added

[boreal crypt]

Agh!

[hazy fable]

yep the voting has it 6-7-5

[full bison]

It's also the region with the least amount of it's dex in the game, but that's mostly a consequence of being the biggest regional dex

[hazy fable]

all closely by 1% of margin

[full bison]

Plenty of people are asking for tons of Unova mons tho, they're some of the most popular suggestions

[tender plank]

me being one of them

hi

[boreal crypt]

Come on snivy, let's get the f#@$ outta here

[wide merlin]

me too for serperior

https://tenor.com/view/snivy-pokémon-snivy-snivy-uses-leaf-tornado-tornado-gif-25773492

[full bison]

Mienshao, Gigalith, Lilligant, and the fossils are the big frontrunners, with more fringe options like Musharna and Jellicent being there too

[atomic hornet]

We'll see, the Kalos ones were extremely popular when we took a poll. Or maybe Froggo is done adding new pokemon forever who knows

[full bison]

I'm a big Musharna supporter. there's so much that can be done with the dream mist

[mortal ridge]

Don't even make that joke

[tender plank]

...

[wide merlin]

and walrein ?

[pliant folio]

Thank you :)

[mortal ridge]

I vote we feed Payapon to the dark dark corner where all the man eating moms are

[atomic hornet]

I suppose I could bully for more, he definitely needs a break. There are some pokemon I would love to see added too ||I personally would prefer unova over gen 7||

[mortal ridge]

[hazy fable]

Walrein is gen 3, but its based

[wide merlin]

for walrein , i can wait for the mayor

[atomic hornet]

Fine, then you guys won't get the super special secret thing we're developing 😤 I made an actual powerpoint presentation for this

[full bison]

Gen 4 is a region that's been kinda neglected. The only new Pokemon from there have been Cresselia and Froslass

[pale sparrow]

well she kinda did but maybe not in a way that changes her difficulty much

[bitter comet]

I agree I got Golisopod, now a good chunk of my favorites that are not in the game or in that generation and they must be rescued from the void of nonexistence in this game

[full bison]

Misty was challenging even before Frosras. Before that was the horror of Manras

[wide merlin]

the only pokemon from the gen 4 than i wait , lumineon and bronzong

[mortal ridge]

ohm now now let's not be hasty don't do anything that we will regret we all like you a lot I promise

[safe veldt]

Maybe in another 10 years, every gen 1-7 Pokémon will be in the game

[hazy fable]

Manras was worse than Frosras

[atomic hornet]

I'd love drampa

[safe veldt]

I want more gen 5 representation

[full bison]

Berserk would be a fun gameplay addition to build around

[bitter comet]

I need Meinshao

[hidden relic]

Maybe next Fusion Day

[safe veldt]

Also I wanna do a hardcore nuzlocke for my playthrough on classic. Anybody got any recommendations for tweaks or rules?

[bitter comet]

Hopefully!

[hazy fable]

Like the elemonkeys

[bitter comet]

No party switching unless a member of your team dies

[wide merlin]

like gothitelle right ?

[bitter comet]

And forced fusion of all mons you got

That’s always what I do when I do those nuzlocke here

[hot hamlet]

I borked it. Deleting everything and fresh installing

[safe veldt]

My only concern there is that I don’t wanna just fuse my starter with the first ratatta I see

[safe veldt]

Oh that’s interesting

I kinda like that

[bitter comet]

OK, the forced fusion only occurs when you have a full party/more than six mons

[hazy fable]

m8 youre supposed to be good at this

[hot hamlet]

I break computers by looking at them

[mortal ridge]

Hmmm only one that come to mind will be you have to fuse Pokémon in the order you get them, if they have a custom sprite. Aka if you get a Rattate and then a Pidgey then you have to fuse them, and so on. That way you put an extra challenge on yourself ^^

[safe veldt]

Fair enough

I think the only exception I’ll allow is for my starter

[hot hamlet]

For instance, I went from 47% complete deleting to 0% somehow

Complain and ye shall be proven a fool

[mortal ridge]

That sounds like a good way, so you get that one "free choice" ^^

[safe veldt]

Might make me strategize to try and string good potential encounters together

Also so I can do that for custom fusions only, does anyone know if there’s a new fusion calculator available? The one I used got shut down like a year ago

[mortal ridge]

It will also make it so the later in the game you make it the more generally stronger they will be ^^ but also might mean you will have one hell of a time hehe

[mortal ridge]

https://infinitefusiondex.com/
That I use ^^

[safe veldt]

I’ll also do “fusions are permanent.” Once a Pokémon is fused, they cannot be unfused.

[mortal ridge]

I would say you can reverse them but never unfuse them ^^ just to give yourself a bit of leeway

[safe veldt]

Yeah lol. Doing it for modern mode would be super interesting, but I’m determined to beat a HC nuzlocke if classic first without cheating

[pallid bolt]

I normally do a catch first 2 on a route and fuse them, no matter what.

[hazy fable]

2 mons in 1 route/encounter table is viable

[mortal ridge]

I wish you all the luck ^^ as I know how hard it can be :D

[safe veldt]

Yeah that’s fair

[safe veldt]

Hmmmmmm

In that case, would I only fuse gift Pokémon with other gift Pokémon?

[velvet root]

Man some mons seem to be hard to find

[hazy fable]

yeah it would make sense

[safe veldt]

I actually like this idea! (I’ll type up a list of the rules I liked and post them together if anybody else wants to use them)

[hazy fable]

you should also be able to wondertrade your fused pokemon from your team, it wont really be a bad thing since you will only get the equivalent stats of the fusion you traded

[mortal ridge]

I would then include to say all Pokémon you get that are not caught count as Gifted, aka if you get it as part of a Quest then it is also a Gifted one, fossil also Gifted and so on, will also make it so you can "manipulate" it a bit to help you.

[hot hamlet]

Yay done already

[mortal ridge]

That is one Hail Mary, as you never really know what you get back but yea gambling is fun hehe xD

[hazy fable]

yeah and it locks you from unfusing them

[velvet root]

Anyone knows where to find Carbin, Pumpkaboo, Swirlix, Scraggy or Minior

[full bison]

||or you could take all the custom sprites out of your CustomBattlers folder except the fusion you want if you feel like cheating||

[mortal ridge]

"I am here to send my Dragonite/Garchomp and I get...... Raticate/Pikachu......"

[mortal ridge]

You can ask in #ask-a-bot ^^ there is a command that will tell you where anything is you want ^^

[hazy fable]

?tag rule23

[opal trail]

Rule 23. Any modifications to the game (that includes mods, edited gamefiles and "cheats") void your support ( #tech-support / #gameplay-help )

[velvet root]

I tried doesnt work for the new mons

[hazy fable]

it does fit that yeah

[tacit saddle]

new mons aren't implemented

carbink was just found in mt moon by mich

[full bison]

Never did that myself, Just heard that was something that could be done

[mortal ridge]

Ohhhh sorry xD did not see they did not work yet

[full bison]

Honestly never even bothered with Wonder Trade in this

[craggy fossil]

i got a pretty cool Kingler+Dugtrio through wonder trade on my first playthrough that carried me through the game

[hazy fable]

yeah just saying dw

[craggy fossil]

just wish there was a way to rename them easier

[safe veldt]

My IF nuzlocke rules (with community input);

1. All typical Hardcore nuzlocke rules
2. Must catch the first two unique encounters on each route/area. These two must be fused together. Exception is made for gift Pokémon or overworld static encounters, who can only be fused with each other. All Pokémon you do not catch in a poke all yourself count as gifted.
3. In reference to the above rule, an individual Pokémon line (pidgey for instance) can only be used in a maximum of 3 fusions at once. This is to prevent having 10 pidgey fusions with different Pokémon. Also no duplicate fusions. (Ratatta and Pidgey can only have one fusion).
4. Not allowed to change your team unless a member dies, and you can only replace that one member.
5. Fusions are permanent, but you may reverse or unreversed your fusions at will.
6. One free choice of your starter’s fusion.
7. Wondertrade allowed.
8. Challenge ends when you defeat ||Gold||. Alternative earlier end is when you enter the Hall of Fame.
9. Challenge fails only if you run out of Pokémon in your box. Losing a battle means you must replace all 6 Pokémon per rule 4.

[full bison]

I've considered a Wonderlocke at one point, but IIRC you can't really do those until gym one, and you only get 1 ticket for the first

[mortal ridge]

I use it some time just to see what kind of monstrosities come back, as with my luck I only get nightmare fuel back hehe xD

[safe veldt]

I mean, I’ve done wonderlockes of ORAS, and you can’t really start that till after the first gym either

[mortal ridge]

Ohhh nr 4 is evil

[safe veldt]

And now I’m sad because I just realized I can never do a wonderlocke on 3DS again

[craggy fossil]

two encounters per route and fusing them together is a great idea actually I did not consider that at all when I tried my own

[safe veldt]

I want some challenge haha

[hazy fable]

this is fun, Imma do this also

[safe veldt]

Community input was a great idea

[mortal ridge]

There is challenge and then there is masochistic hehe xD

[safe veldt]

I’ll post it in general here soon. (Maybe the toxic arguing has died down)

[safe veldt]

We can do it together lol

[mortal ridge]

Yea..... that won't happen till next year I fear

[safe veldt]

I don’t mind putting off finishing Persona 3 reload for now.

[full bison]

The big difference is you can (or rather could, RIP 3DS online) Wonder Trade multiple times in ORAS, while you need tickets for Wonder Trading here, and only get one ticket IIRC for beating Brock. I'm not going to rely on exactly one Pokemon for the entire stretch of Mt Moon

[safe veldt]

I’ve found IF has been too easy generally, so we’ll find out.

[hazy fable]

pls dont double post yeah that channel is stinky

[safe veldt]

Oh important 8th rule to add

[mortal ridge]

[craggy fossil]

any info about where you can find the new mons or is it a surprise?

[full bison]

Bot hasn't been updated, so all we have is where mons were in the Beta

[mortal ridge]

I take my hat off to you, my skills are faaar to weak to do it like that hehe ^^

[full bison]

How hard I've found IF varies a lot between my runs. It was pretty fair for my Doubles Rain team, and way harder for my "no catching Pokemon" team until I got Poryvern

[hazy fable]

we dont know much about them yet so we only have to find it out ourselves currently

[safe veldt]

Added two new rules