pif-hoenn-discussion

[bronze barn]

[fathom ridge]

Hey that’s when my birthday is :0

[bronze barn]

are we getting

Iron Bundle

[outer matrix]

Drampa for Christmas bc Santa

[inland jewel]

im using prior circumstances since they revealed Bruxish last christmas and the update where Bruxish came out is February

[inland jewel]

Anything Gen 8+ won't be added ever

[bronze barn]

(that was a joke lol)

[inland jewel]

then do /j

[trail plume]

I know that, but really dw

[inland jewel]

else i'll answer you seriously

[fathom ridge]

Why didn’t anyone tell me about this :0

My boy got beta sprites!

[trail plume]

he did

[full bison]

I'm still upset about the beta flamingo that was so much more interesting than the one we got

[fathom ridge]

Beta hydreigon might be the worst beta design lmao

[spiral musk]

smh we aren't supposed to talk about that here

[full bison]

Where is the tank Hydreigon? Have we been lied to all along?

[fathom ridge]

Let’s go to #other-pokemon-games !

[trail plume]

it's all part of the leak dw

[spiral musk]

yeah but there are ppl who don't want to see the leaks 😔

[trail plume]

🐵

[trail plume]

it's from gen 5, people are sensitive to them? 😔

[inland jewel]

yee but Frog also said to not talk about the leaks here

[fathom ridge]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[trail plume]

smh smh deleting the leaks

[spiral musk]

at least spoil them

[fathom ridge]

Is frog going to kill you (in Minecraft)

[trail plume]

sma sma

nah he wouldn't kill his daughter

[fathom ridge]

Oh so you are a tadpole

[trail plume]

unless...

my final message
change da word
goodbye

[fathom ridge]

Wait I didn’t read the text

https://tenor.com/view/change-da-world-frog-disappearing-peace-sign-gif-27285835

[unique flame]

i unironically like the monkey trio and i find them extremily overHated

specially the water one which is my fav

https://tenor.com/view/simipour-drakenheart666-monke-gif-16153797896560490025

[inland jewel]

I still want Frog to add them to piss people off

it'd be like Bruxish all over agai

[unique flame]

bruxish is so cool to sprite

[inland jewel]

It is! but the haters didn't want it because it looked ugly

as if we weren't going to change how it looks in a fusion game?

you see it for like 2 seconds before cool fusion takes over

[deft obsidian]

That's the reason for having more sprite than oricorio

[weak trellis]

there's also that you were borderline forced to use it in BW if you didn't want to overgrind for gym 1

[spiral island]

I’d be lying if I didn’t say I want the Unova monkeys to be added just so I can have Simipour on my original Kalos team

[trail plume]

||join the monkeys cult, join us||

[unique flame]

do we already have the day for the public execution

[outer matrix]

monkeys as bonus additions after 500

[rancid nymph]

||where do I sign up?||

[prime dust]

yes officer this post right here

[spiral island]

Huh?

[prime dust]

you want the monkeys, the most hated of all the mons

[opaque ether]

Three spots left, right? I know their odds are slim, but I'm gonna keep rooting for them until the day they finally make it.

[gray vine]

i dont even know why they are hated

imma guess its the sweaty comp players

[rancid nymph]

We already have the worst Pokémon in this game, so why not

[rancid nymph]

People think they’re ugly

That’s literally it

[gray vine]

weird

they really arent

not that ugly mons are bad

[rancid nymph]

The final forms

[gray vine]

but with them? i cant see it

why would i only talk about 1 form lul

[rancid nymph]

I don’t even think Simisage is ugly at all TBH

[eager jungle]

Bad design for water/fire in comparison to the grass one

[rancid nymph]

Then why is Simisage hated too

[eager jungle]

'cause monkey trio = wish version of starter

[fathom ridge]

The monkeys are just too generic

[eager jungle]

Not Simisage imo

[fathom ridge]

I like simisage, neat guy

[eager jungle]

I think it'll be nice if they had a double typing also

[rancid nymph]

It’s not that the monkeys are the best Pokémon of all time or anything, but there are way worse Pokémon out there

[eager jungle]

Like who?

[fathom ridge]

For me it’s mostly that it feels like the same Mon three times

[eager jungle]

Yeah which is sad

[weak trellis]

basically glass cannon + people forced to use something other than their starter in BW's earlygame + "two legs bad four legs good" + L + ratio + who even

[rancid nymph]

Digtrio, Electrode, white striped Basculin and Vanniluxe. And that’s just off the top of my head

[weak trellis]

I really like how XY used them tho

[eager jungle]

???

[weak trellis]

by having them in the first forest as like pseudo-starters

you weren't forced to use them but it was a neat thing to find starting a nuz

[rancid nymph]

Two of the 3 Unova starters start out on two legs

[fathom ridge]

I think the worst potential new Mon is luvdisc but it’s only one slot so I wouldn’t mind it for the troll

[eager jungle]

And one end up with no legs

[weak trellis]

I was gonna say "and the third one is a banana" but then I was like "oh yea tepig"

[outer matrix]

Alomomola

[weak trellis]

"luvdisc"
"the better luvdisc"

[eager jungle]

I think that Comfey would be kinda hard to sprite in a way that comfy body isn't similar to klefki body

[spiral island]

Like I said, I just want Simipour so I can recreate my Kalos team

[fathom ridge]

Comfey heads would be cool tho

[eager jungle]

Simisage would make sick sprites

Both as body or head

[spiral island]

Though that also hangs on if Xerneas gets added

[unique flame]

people would simply do stuff like this and called it a day

me included

but would be terrible to play in a run

[outer matrix]

simipassion

[humble lance]

no luvdisc
only wrumple

[unique flame]

5 slots

[humble lance]

no

just wurmple

[fathom ridge]

3, scrafty line took 2

[unique flame]

wrumble line takes 5

[unique flame]

looking into bugs i realy realy realy realy like masquerin

[silk narwhal]

Chat what do we think

[unique flame]

https://tenor.com/view/masquerain-pokemon-gif-27477426

[high haven]

I can see a polar bear in this image

[fathom ridge]

spongebob and mr. C Krabs!

[outer matrix]

~~ *krabs ~~

[silent acorn]

Oh damn the monkeys made it

[unique flame]

They did?

[unkempt kernel]

No

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-troll-face-gif-25116980

[frigid glade]

I pray for the spheal line

i need more seals

[full bison]

This channel really is slowly becoming more and more unhinged

[tender plank]

not yet. we still haven't had me snapping.

PLEASE LET TIRTOUGA IN, I AM GOING TO GO INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...

nevermind

[unkempt kernel]

I feel like Tirtouga would be added along side Archen

[prime dust]

^

[unkempt kernel]

Actually all fossils are added alongside each other

[tender plank]

i feel like
actually how do i feel

[full bison]

Part of me is expecting a Gen 4 Mon considering it's the only one that's not represented with the update yet

[tender plank]

abomasnow PLEAAASEE

[unkempt kernel]

Gen 4 you say?

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-squirrel-pokemon-pokemon-pachirisu-adorable-gif-17099886384054803802

[prime dust]

we already have too many grass types this time

no more

[full bison]

Drapion and Bronzong are top of the pile for Gen 4 mons I'd like to see added

[tender plank]

sighhhh

the giant ass snowflake thigh PLEAAASSEE

thing

why did i say that

what

[prime dust]

lol

[unkempt kernel]

Still think it’s gonna be the gothitelle line

Cus Fashion

[full bison]

If we get Drapion, someone should sprite up a Drapion/Metagross designed around that beta scorpion thing

[prime dust]

i'm hoping for at least 1 legend/mythical/etc

[unkempt kernel]

I’m doubtful cus then frog would have to make a quest line for it

[prime dust]

exactly

or an event thing

not all legends/mythicals are tied to quests

[full bison]

We already have a bunch of events added to the beta. It's not like that's a super big issue for Frog

[outer matrix]

~~ what if day 31 on the spritober was a mythical reveal ~~

[prime dust]

there's only like 1 mon that fits spoopy month and that's marshadow

[unkempt kernel]

Eh, still doubtful and still think it’ll be gothitelle

[full bison]

Saying it will be Gothitelle because of a fashion theme that literally only existed for the Scrafty reveal is a giga stretch I'll be real

[hot hamlet]

31st is also related to the Day of the Dead. Could be Yveltal.

[full bison]

Where's the fashion for Golisopod or Torkoal

Or the starters

Or Pumpkaboo

[prime dust]

that requires 2 slots to also have Xern

[unkempt kernel]

Samurai for the pod

[unkempt kernel]

Cosplay

[hot hamlet]

Do we not have 3 remaining?

[unkempt kernel]

Halloween costumes

[prime dust]

yes, but i'm doubting we'll get 2 legends

[hot hamlet]

Fair

[full bison]

Yeah that's a mega stretch

[prime dust]

1 makes sense, 2 is pushing it a bit

[unkempt kernel]

They are based on dnd classes

[prime dust]

all 3 being legends is...

[full bison]

All three being legends would either be Zygarde, the Swords of Justice, or the Lake trio

Or 3 Mythicals but I seriously doubt that would happen in one update

[hot hamlet]

Then I amend.
Hoopa for the Trick part of Trick-or-Treat

[prime dust]

its highly unlikely to be 3 legends/mythicals

hope for 1

the remaining other slots though pose more interesting options

[unkempt kernel]

If it has to be a mythical or legend, then ig Victini, it’s Nat dex is 500 right?

[outer matrix]

no

it's emboar

[full bison]

Victini isn't net dex 500 in the mainline but it's heavily based around the number 5

[prime dust]

yeah victini is 494 in the nat dex

[unkempt kernel]

Ah right nvm then

I hope for the goth tho, Pach as 500 would be funny

Unlikely tho

[twin phoenix]

Yes, goth please!

If not, then 3 Zygarde~

[outer matrix]

coincidently, I did catch a shiny gothorita earlier today with a mark

[silent acorn]

3 zygarde be nice actually :v

Another Ground legendary

Using Dog zygarde from earlier on would be fun

[unkempt kernel]

Not sure how easy hexagons are to sprite

[silent acorn]

Easier than micro fish atleast

[unkempt kernel]

But hey, Zygarde means we can make Zygarde Greninja real go when ppl ask for he best fusion

[green laurel]

I NNEEEEDDDD HIIIMMMMM

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/arietes-gif-20973590

Evening all

[proud lion]

Food for thought:

[grave jolt]

Alternatively: Pachirisu

https://tenor.com/view/パチリス-ポケモン-gif-337323275432343914

[hollow creek]

Consider the additional follwoing:

[molten loom]

Gastrodon could be nice

And the crab

We already got Delphox though

[grave jolt]

Gastrodon is 2 stage

[hollow creek]

[unkempt kernel]

Agreed

[unkempt kernel]

Would it not be a 4 stage for the different forms?

[hollow creek]

I woudlve loved gastrodon but its most definitely gastrover

but yes it would be 4 slots, there's only 3 left

so no 'don

[unkempt kernel]

Yes but you also have the blue form

[grave jolt]

Gastrodons forms don't have different stats

[unkempt kernel]

Oh nvm then

Wait gastrodon has sap sipper right?

[grave jolt]

Sticky Hold, Storm Drain, and HA Sand Force

[unkempt kernel]

Oh

Damn no water ground with sap sipper then

[hollow dune]

Are Diancie and Zygarde actually in the fangame? Just curious.

[proud lion]

No not yet

[full bison]

Neither are in the game currently

[proud lion]

I did it for the April Fools event

[full bison]

Both of them have a chance of being revealed, but who knows

Also if one is revealed the other wouldn't be added for a while due to slots

[hollow dune]

Ah, okay. That makes more sense.

[grave jolt]

huh that's neat

Diancie only has its attack stats go up vs carbink

[clear lichen]

Ngl it'd feel weird adding Buzzwole OR Pheromosa but ig there is precedent with stuff like Trevenant getting in before Gourgeist

[gray vine]

trevenant kinda deserves it way more tho

thats a mon that just sparks interest with design

[ocean lark]

cute diance day 1

[clear lichen]

Not a fan of how its type swaps when it evolves in IF simply because "hurr durr phantom stump tree revenant"

The type swap is arguably more confusing ngl

Apart from that, Trevenant is cool

[full bison]

Why did Trevenant get type swapped when Amaura and Aurorus are right there

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/diancie-sad-cry-movie-gif-23514586

[clear lichen]

But I just think version exclusives should be added together

Let me put it this way

Would they add Yveltal without Xerneas or vice versa?

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/lilligant-huisian-lilligant-pokemon-flower-milotic-gif-14352809247514909392

[grave jolt]

so true, that's why we need Zygarde

[clear lichen]

No, and I don't think them being legendary should change the different treatment

[full bison]

I despised the idea of version exclusives more than ever with the release of Teal Mask

[clear lichen]

I just hate version exclusives in general

I've hated them before

[full bison]

Fun fact: Gligar is a Scarlet exclusive. I got Violet.

[clear lichen]

I hate them the same amount still

Nothing changed about version exclusives to make me hate them more

[full bison]

You wanna know what replaces Gligar in Violet?

Morpeko.

[clear lichen]

Simply outskilled /j

[grave jolt]

I'm not buying a game from Nintendo that's completely reliant on internet access to be usable when Nintendo has shut down every single other wi-fi service they had.

[clear lichen]

Version exclusives are meh for most people until they get destroyed by unfavourable version exclusives

Instead, I'm hating them consistently

[gray vine]

i never did a full dex in any game so i usually never care

i mostly pick the game based on the legend

[full bison]

Why did Gamefreak evidently hate Violet so much? First they deprive the Future paradoxes of a decent ETerrain setter then they leave Violet players with a horrible Pikaclone instead of an S tier Mon like Gliscor

[gray vine]

i love violet way more

[grave jolt]

I recently learned Meowth is a version exclusive in Kanto

[clear lichen]

Tapu Koko is the only Esurge Pokemon that isn't in SV that's how little there are

And would Koko be allowed? I'm not too sure

[outer matrix]

One version will always get favored than the other

[gray vine]

better looking bike, way betetr looking clothing and the Professor for the game fits the whole story so much better

[clear lichen]

Maybe they'd ban the problematic future Paradoxes instead

Who knows

[twin phoenix]

Miraidon best bike lizard.

[clear lichen]

I compared the SV version exclusives before

[full bison]

I'm just imagining that Wolverine photo meme with Iron Valiant holding a photo of Koko

[clear lichen]

Came to the conclusion that for me, they're pretty equal

But they still suck because that means I'm always missing out on a Pokemon I'd like

Had to transfer multiple Pokemon via HOME and even buy Scarlet for some exclusives for the dex

And mainly for the ones I find good

[grave jolt]

I hate exclusives because in every game there's two I really want that are exclusive to opposite games 😦

[clear lichen]

The dex was more so a secondary benefit

Koraidon and Miraidon are definitely high tier box arts for me idc what anyone says

The amount I like them is painfully close

[full bison]

It's either that or one version gets unilaterally screwed. Like with Moon getting the objectively worse Lycanroc

[outer matrix]

At least the legends games allow you to catch every Pokémon (since that's the main gimmick for that series)

[rancid nymph]

Miradon is the only bike lizard. The other one is a yaba daba doo lizard

[grave jolt]

In pokemon Sapphire and Ruby, Sableye and Mawile are exclusive to each other.

They're both found right before the fighting gym.

[clear lichen]

Thankfully in RSE Sableye and Mawile are kinda ass

[grave jolt]

Mawile is notably useless in that gym and Sableye trivializes it.

[clear lichen]

So from a strategic POV you don't miss out on much

From a "I like this mon" POV uhh

Rip

[full bison]

RIP Sableye in ORAS where it's mega stone is after all the legendary stuff

[clear lichen]

But yeah as I was saying

I found my comparisons between SV's version exclusives very close

[weak trellis]

yea I used mega sab in ORAS it was like... alright but not spectacular

[clear lichen]

I cant remember when I compared them though

As in, before or after DLCs

[weak trellis]

incidentally both sabs have their best roles in stonewalling a dangerous opponent that only has normal/fighting/psychic moves regardless of stats (brawly for regular, ORAS wally for mega)

[rancid nymph]

Me who wanted to use an Alolan Ninetails on my team but picked Moon

[clear lichen]

I mean the game gives you a free Pdon/Pogre and (Mega) Latis

[full bison]

The exclusives between Scarlet and Violet are decently close until Teal Mask made Gligar and M*rpeko exclusives

[weak trellis]

I keep thinking A-ninetales is moon and A-slash is sun when it's reversed

[clear lichen]

You don't need much apart from that

[rancid nymph]

Why did you censor Morpeko?

[full bison]

Hate

I hate it

It's one of my least favorite Pokemon period

[rancid nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/how-dare-you-greta-thunberg-gif-15130785

Morpeko is best Pika clone

[full bison]

I hated it back in SwSh for wasting a cool type combo like Dark/Electric on a Pikaclone

[clear lichen]

Lunala and Latios are exclusives I am sad

[full bison]

And I hate it now more than ever because it stood between me and Gliscor

[clear lichen]

I'm pretty sure they're even exclusives in USUM and SWSH

Exclusives for the Teal Mask are Gligar Line and Cramorant for Scarlet and Aipom line and Morpeko for Violet

[twin phoenix]

Aww big L for me, I like Cramorant but have Violet.

[grave jolt]

this company man

[full bison]

Being the best Pikaclone is like being the healthiest junk food

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-pikachu-pokemon-enojado-gif-27548846

[rancid nymph]

Ok, but hear me out: it has a hangrey form

[twin phoenix]

I think the only version exclusives I felt bad for missing was Whimsicott and Zekrom.

[full bison]

If I wanted to deal with a cutesy critter that was half cute looking and half evil looking I'd play Danganronpa

[clear lichen]

Exclusives for Indigo Disk are Shieldon line, A-Sandshrew line, Swords of Justice, Lugia, Latias, Kyogre, Spectrier, Zekrom, Lunala, Iron Crown and Iron Boulder for Violet and Crabudos line, A-Vulpix line, Legendary Beasts, Ho-Oh, Latios, Groudon, Glastrier, Reshiram, Solgaleo, Raging Bolt and Gouging Fire for Scarlet

[rancid nymph]

Me who’s first game was black:
“I don’t have such weaknesses”

[rancid nymph]

Monokuma doesn’t have a hangrey form though. Plus he killed all the good characters

[clear lichen]

I think version exclusives overall (Base game and DLCs) is very slightly tilted towards Scarlet, solely because of Teal Mask. Still, very balanced overall, just that it really sucks that so many good Pokemon are mutually exclusive

[full bison]

And M*rpeko killed my chance to play with one of the best Pokemon, your point?

[clear lichen]

That's just an opinion though

Is my discord the only one that is dying?

Is it my Internet?

I genuinely can't tell

[twin phoenix]

You're fine.

[clear lichen]

Because everything keeps sending in one burst at a time

[rancid nymph]

Morpeko didn’t do that, your version choice did

[full bison]

I'm not going to have you victim blame me just because I picked Violet

[clear lichen]

The biggest part I'm sad over is Lunala and Latios not being in the same version, like, ever

Is chat dead or is Discord breaking

Like I said things keep sending in bursts for me

[rancid nymph]

Chat’s dead

[clear lichen]

Darn

[coral axle]

Rip

[bitter comet]

I wish the round owl could be added this time around

https://tenor.com/view/rowlet-pokemon-sun-moon-3ds-gif-21087798

He’s just so silly

[outer matrix]

today I learned: rowlet's beak jiggles a bit as it's turning around

[sudden sierra]

how SHOULD we incorporate vivilon if they ever make it in

make it so people make uncolored sprites of a fusion and the comunity bands together to make sprites for every single pattern?

that'd be cool ngl but I feel like that's not what'd happen

[unique flame]

we would simply just have one slot for him and do anything in the wings

[sudden sierra]

but where's the FUN in that

[outer matrix]

Vivillon has 20 different patterns as seperate forms

Neither has any notable stat nor typing differences

If it got in, it'll only be 1 slot for the pattern since it'll be ridiculous to have in that many forms as seperate slots

[inland jewel]

Vivillon will be one slot, any fusion with it can use any pattern

so like i can make a Regiice/Vivillon fusion and use Polar Pattern

alternatively i can just use Safari pattern because i want to

[quaint matrix]

Yeah it's not like Oricorio where while the stats stay the same the typing's different across the board

Literally the only difference in Vivillon's forms are just wing colors

[inland jewel]

Yep we have so many precedents about what mons get many slots vs what pokemon dont

Pokemon who get multiple slots: Different types, different abilities
Pokemon who stay in one slot: Stat changes, visual forms

[quaint matrix]

I mean maybe the best thing for base Vivillon is that by default it has all different 20 wings on its base Smogon-made sprite and then everyone else go nuts with their interpretation

[clear lichen]

Teravolt and Turboblaze are not Pressure

Isn't it ironic that Kyurem-W and Kyurem-B aren't in Infinite Fusion despite being the entire inspiration?

[coral axle]

That’s why I kept it on my Zekrom fusion

[inland jewel]

they were added before they did different forms for pokemon

any pokemon with a form only got one slot.

since space limitations

[quaint matrix]

Tbh is Kyurem-W/Kyurem-B ever gonna exist in the form of exclusive fusions or smth

Like I can see fusing specific pokemon with another will actually result in a whole new thing (ala triple fusions) instead of just the normal calcs

[flint tiger]

We need

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-happy-dance-hyper-gif-25491309

[quaint matrix]

@ pachirisu girl

[inland jewel]

Considering they haven't done that already for Deoxys and Rotom, i don't think so

[quaint matrix]

I guess

Prob too much overhead

[prime dust]

anything that already exists in game will not get their alt forms

there's no real reason to do so, since that would mean creating sprites for all those alt forms

future mons that have form variants will get them added

[sand ocean]

But what if my baby Darmanitan

[full bison]

Man, I was feeling so gung-ho about drawing up a Shedinja/Scrafty fusion, but trying to get the pants and Mohawk to cooperate with my vision and amateur level understanding of perspective is really making it harder than I thought it would be

[full bison]

Something I just thought about- with Scrafty's punk motif, you think it could be given Parting Shot from the Move Expert like how Krookodile does?

[sudden sierra]

Something something community. I just think it’d make the fanbase more alive if everyone had to work together to essentially make 20 extra color pallets for each vivilon fusion. You guys are thinking about practicality but honestly I’m just thinking about how fun it would be

[full bison]

You really think the spriters would enjoy making 20 copies of the same thing just with slightly different patterns?

[quaint matrix]

Well I can see some spriters finding it fun if they're big Vivillon enjoyers

But realistically speaking like I think people look at Vivillon the same way they look at Spinda

"Oh they have so many patterns...too bad it's an ass Pokemon"

[full bison]

Vivillon has way more going for it than spinda TBF. Compoundeyes Hurricane with not-the-worst SpA and Speed alongside Quiver Dance is worth something.

It's no Volcarona, but it's still an objectively better Butterfree

[quaint matrix]

True true

And it also does look aeshetically amazing

[full bison]

The pixel art aesthetic of Vivillon definitely adds a lot, even without having to worry about pattern variations. Would love to see what spriters could do with that.

[coral axle]

Same

[sudden sierra]

I mean. it'd be the same un-colored sprite. they just have to color it

[west sonnet]

Bad apple? at this time of year at this time of day in this part of the country localized entirely within your vivillon sprite?

[sudden sierra]

ofc it'd be JUST for vivilon as the head

[round light]

Still waiting for Exploud...

[sudden sierra]

for body, every fusion would have it's own singular pattern

[sudden sierra]

me with jellicent

[round light]

Look at how cool this is

[sudden sierra]

the maractus of this era

[sudden sierra]

okay he's like in the middle of my priorities but only cuz there are so many pokemon that I love that arent in yet

[west sonnet]

I love my grumpy old baby

But I am also a kabuto enjoyer

So this is not surprising

[sudden sierra]

he looks more chill then grumpy

[sudden sierra]

yaay democracy!

if only democracy was remembered by people as much as lord helix

[full bison]

My big desire was Mienshao but Scrafty has me doubting them being added this go around

[sudden sierra]

I'm glad I voted for gourgeist to get in

[full bison]

I'd also enjoy an Ultra Beast like Naganadel or Nihilego, but those are a big stretch

[sudden sierra]

I think I also voted slurpuff too

[full bison]

Honestly at this stage I don't know what I'd want added that's super realistic

[sudden sierra]

hey were was the original google form we voted on

I forget what all the options were

o.. I wonder if vivilon has entry 666 reserved just for it

[west sonnet]

It’s so funny bc like

if we did this democratically from day 1 (based on custom sprites numbers) we wouldn’t have the magmar line

[sudden sierra]

lol

...

we'd have heatmore and durant by now tho-

kinda surprised we don't actually

[west sonnet]

It’s so crazy that Magby has so few sprites for a very basic, early gen design

[sudden sierra]

prolly cuz nobody likes that line

sylveon got almost all it's sprites the moment it released and everytime a new pokemon comes out the sylveon fusions come first

just goes to show that unless there's some incentive or game

[west sonnet]

My theory is that everyone wants Magmortar and no one wants Magmar/Magby

[sudden sierra]

people flock to the prettiest mons first

[west sonnet]

I’m personally going to make that true for Kabuto

I just have like

[sudden sierra]

hense me wanting all the body vicvillons to have unique fusion sprites for each pattern

[west sonnet]

Genuinely brain breaking loops trying to put pants on Kabuto

My plan for now is inside the shell

[sudden sierra]

thats weird

there's no kabutops/ omastar fusion

I should make one

[full bison]

You realize that, assuming vivillon gets added as 498-500, that means making at least 20000 sprites, right? You don't think that's a biiiit of a steep ask?

[sudden sierra]

it's just the colors and ONLY for the body fusions

[full bison]

That's still a lot of time and effort for just one Pokemon

[west sonnet]

There still isn’t a kabuto/omastar (2 versions being added next pack)

[sudden sierra]

pretty simple compard to whole ass new sprits

[full bison]

Simple, but monotonous and dull

[sudden sierra]

no. which is weird cuz making a yin/yang themed fusion in reference to TPP felt like something that woulda been done ages ago

[sudden sierra]

wrong

it's a fun community project

just like vivilon as a concept

20 vivilons split between multiple countries

people come together to trade with eachother

[west sonnet]

imo it’s because people like fossils but they’re hard to sprite

[sudden sierra]

now it'd be people coming together to make pattern aplletes for each head fusion(idk why I said body earlir)

[sudden sierra]

mm IC IC

[full bison]

Frog made it so that all 4 Gourgeist forms share a sprite that just gets scaled up or down based on size and you seriously think he'd task the spriters to make 20000 sprites? Be realistic.

Also there's a sprite alt limit anyway

[sudden sierra]

I mean

they wouldn't be alts

technically atleast

[sudden sierra]

it's a community fun thing

stop being such a pessimist

you could put a negative spin on anything

it's not practical

it's FUN

[full bison]

So just have a whopping 20 slots dedicated to 20 identical Pokemon aside from stats. Because that's not a massive waste of game resources at all

Also it's not really that fun

[dusty arrow]

woah what the hell did i walk in on

[full bison]

Insisting that all of the Vivillon forms need to have exactly all 20 of those patterns and nothing else is such a drain on creativity and potential

[dusty arrow]

they should just be alts and spriters can decide if they want to use a pattern or not-

[full bison]

You wanna make a Giratina/Vivillon fusion that depicts the Distortion World in Pixel form?

No. Draw the Pokeball pattern

And the sunset pattern

And the exotic pattern

And the snowy pattern

Etc

[sudden sierra]

that'd be the body

the body version is the one with the wings but the color features of giratina

[full bison]

Still a drain on creative potential

[sudden sierra]

so the wings would be distortion world themes

[sudden sierra]

actually

it still wouldnt work

u again just desribed a body fusion

a head fusion would be the vivilon pallete on top of other pokemon bodies and thus where the 20 patterns come in

[full bison]

Look dude, you're the one insinuating that one Pokemon take up 20 in-game slots just for your insane fantasy of having 20 Vivillon patterns represented in fusions with over 500 Pokemon

[eager jungle]

[full bison]

You don't get to be nitpicky with me

[eager jungle]

calm down, both of you

[hot hamlet]

Nah keep going

[eager jungle]

[sudden sierra]

im being very calm here. i'm too tired to yell

[hot hamlet]

[sudden sierra]

I'm trying to be civil

[hot hamlet]

Erm. I think Discord broke for me

[sudden sierra]

but.. alas. I don't think being civil is enough for him

[eager jungle]

?

[hot hamlet]

I swear I only sent that once. So if it double posts…

[eager jungle]

it's a stand

[hot hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/nani-jjba-millks-jotaro-kujo-star-platinum-gif-24558285

[sudden sierra]

okay but.. one of your only other arguments was this and yet it wouldn't really have anything to do with the vivilon HEAD fusions. I'm not trying to attack you but I feel like you're completely missing the point of what I'm suggesting :/

[sudden sierra]

it didn't double post for me luckily

[hot hamlet]

still there for me

I’m gonna refresh

Okay. Ghost bonk gone now

[full bison]

And all your arguments are assuming that every single spriter is 100 percent on board with drawing 20 alteprites for the exact same Fusions very little changes. Alts that would very likely not see the light of day because, again, there's an altsprite limit

[sudden sierra]

.. no?

its not mandatory

it's just a fun side thing people can do as a project

all your arguments are under the assumption that it's some authoritarian rule forcing the sprittrs to work on every pattern

they can prolly just set the first pattern made as a default instead of doing multiple patterns in one siting

[eager jungle]

exemple : shiny alts, no one is required to do them but a lot of us do them because it's fun

[hot hamlet]

If Vivillon got in with all patterns as alts, I’d imagine a brand new spritepack just for the pattern alts to avoid sprite bloat

[sudden sierra]

totally

but it'd be fun to make pattern alts for every vivilon head fusion

[eager jungle]

it would be same with spinda

[sudden sierra]

it'd be one HELL of a task but vivilon IS the 666th pokemon

[eager jungle]

or furfrou

[sudden sierra]

furfrou my beloved come back

[unkempt kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/gothitelle-pokemon-gothitelle-psybeam-gothitelle-uses-psybeam-gif-1772635742047274736

Gothitelle hopefully

[wide merlin]

we don't have psychic pokemon except delphox, so it's a possibility but watch the pokemon leaked for the future maj and the type who do'nt have pokemon with

[unkempt kernel]

I’m mainly saying gothitelle because of a “fashion” theming with this update (not all of the mons fit but most do + character customisation)

[wide merlin]

i am agree with you on the point, gothitelle will be better than scrafty for an fashion pokemon

[unkempt kernel]

Scrafty is good for punk fusions

[twin phoenix]

🙏 Goth family 🙏

I even made a doodle of another Gothitelle body that I'll probably sprite in 3 months.

[unique flame]

as a said gothitelle is perfect for the whole family
decent to do a run
shadow tag for the showdown people
head for gothic fusions
body for dressed ladies

people say that the body clashs too much with gardevoir but you can fill 3 bodies with the quantity of body sprites gardevoir have so theres definetly a demand

[velvet root]

Dont forget a Maid outfit for all mons when it is the head

[hasty arch]

oh god

[opaque ether]

So at this point, including the three unknown slots, how many total candidates are there left?

[hasty arch]

maid gardevoir fusion

i bet gardevoir has a fusion that is 2B

[unique flame]

what you mean? theres 3 slots left to reveal

[opaque ether]

How many total Pokemon are in the running for those three slots?

[hasty arch]

(it can also be 1 2-evoluion pokemon and 1 1-evolution pokemon)

(it can also be 3 1-evolution pokemon)

[unique flame]

technically all unreleased mon up to gen 7

[hasty arch]

rn all pokemon can fit the three slots

except i guess the monkeys

and pokemons that take more than 3 spaces

[unique flame]

they are clearly not considering the pool so we have no idea

[twin phoenix]

Klang/Gardevoir

[hasty arch]

so those are out

[hasty arch]

yup found it

[opaque ether]

Not what I meant. I know we only have three slots.
I'm asking is how many total Pokemon are there that can possibly be in those three slots?

[velvet root]

Not all
There is a handfull that doesnt fit

[twin phoenix]

Could be Goth line, could be Manaphy, Phione, and Luvdisc, could be the 3 Zygarde.

Oh, Phione is kind of a fish.

[cobalt river]

Wurmple line, Nebby line, Monkeys, Tapus are all the ones that cant fit I think? Besides that anything goes

[sinful smelt]

Are there any hints for the last 3? Or just guesses?

[hasty arch]

this many

minus a few

in the beta version game, a few quests lead to you earning some of the new pokemons

i encountered wirmpod in the town where misty is, in a basement, and torkoal on the S.S.Anne ship

im thinking that perhaps the new pokemon would be related to quests and stuff

[paper merlin]

It’s not stated but I wanna check anyway, did the new mons get locations added in the latest update? Like were the kalos starters added to the river, and was Lurantis given a location?

[bronze barn]

I think one is a 2 stage pokemon evo line

[wide merlin]

I think on the third one Legendary or fabulous like Victini or diancie with a quest inspired from the movies

[next flare]

I think it’s safe to also eliminate the forces of nature

And the gen 5/7 starters

[cobalt river]

Oh right, I legit forgot the forces of nature existed haha

nd ye no more starters this round felt like a given

[flint tiger]

me and possibly a few others when pachirisu doesn’t get in

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-pikachu-pokemon-enojado-gif-27548846

[unkempt kernel]

Real

[placid wasp]

you guys found the kalos starters yet?

[unkempt kernel]

They arent in the wild

[placid wasp]

where tho

[unkempt kernel]

Wdym "Where tho", they can't be found in the wild, you'd need to select not to use the normal starters to use them

[placid wasp]

oh ok

[unkempt kernel]

Same for fomantis and the gourgeits lines iirc

[civic harness]

The Pachirisu girl is not going to be very happy

[flint tiger]

yeah, so it better get in

[unkempt kernel]

As much as i love Pachi being my favourite, but i feel like it'll be a 3 stage line

[dusty arrow]

hello chat

[steel meadow]

@grave jolt

[steel meadow]

oh u replied with the same thing i did

[flint tiger]

watch them throw a curveball, and baxcalibur gets in

yeah, ik gen 9 ain't really getting in, but that's the joke

[steel meadow]

I would say that is impossible

[flint tiger]

they throw a curveball, and then for no reason at all, baxcalibur gets in

[steel meadow]

Maybe one where the frog doesnt have to code anything

Like a regional form maybe

Or he goes crazy and adds the new simi from gen 10 simispark

[spare shore]

minior!!!

[civic harness]

Hello again Ice Magikarp guy

[grave jolt]

Morning all

[timber spear]

Morning

[civic harness]

Hello there Pachirisu Girl

[velvet root]

I kinda wanna sprite Pancham line

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-panda-pancham-sit-groom-gif-7671210

[civic harness]

Goats or just another fusion?

[velvet root]

both can look sick tbh

It also would bring bamboo as decoration if people do it right

[civic harness]

Well, show them how could be an fusion with the pandas

[velvet root]

I search some now but Later I make some myself

[sand mica]

Bringing back my Tier Maker list. What Pokemon out of this list at or above "I don't mind..." got in?

[civic harness]

You see #announcements ?

[sand mica]

Yeah.

[civic harness]

Oh well

[velvet root]

Sadly not many exist

[civic harness]

That allways happen

[velvet root]

• who doesnt like Pandas?

https://tenor.com/view/panda-huahua-gif-1476795351732195837

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/china-dance-panda-caramelldansen-parody-gif-5067574

[civic harness]

Well, being cute causing that the other species that are in danger of extintion get ignored so...

[marble meadow]

what did you do to panda

[velvet root]

sadly

did you know all pandas are chinas property

[civic harness]

The Blob fish

[weak trellis]

evolutionary cascade of "good idea at the time" decision making

[velvet root]

do we even know theyr status

[marble meadow]

so hetalia was accurate there should be some hetalia fusions in if or custom options

[civic harness]

Did you know that it is not thier natural form that appears in the photos out of the water?

[velvet root]

Arent Pandas the second dumbest mammals?

[velvet root]

I know

Thats cuz they need more pressure

[velvet root]

Like after the Koala

I think it was Koala, Panda, Sloth

[marble meadow]

Delay lama tool as a fusion ref Medicham would work

also medicham cuz I started to like it cuz of team charm

[civic harness]

When it rises to the surface the body is deformed by the slightest pressure

[velvet root]

ik

[civic harness]

Just saying for the other users

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/medicham-gif-18360594

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/badass-munching-nibling-eating-devouring-gif-13922778

[civic harness]

Anyways, still waiting for Gogoat I guess

[velvet root]

same

[fleet ore]

Gogoat the goat

[marble meadow]

Justice for medicham

[weak trellis]

a "huge" power user that isn't azumarill... (positive)

[marble meadow]

also if medicham gets in those 3 as a triple fusion

[sand mica]

But what about Team Skull? We need Skuntank so we can fuse Zubat and Koffing.

[warm moss]

So what determines what new mons are added and when? Are these next 3 the last ones that'll be added?

[unkempt kernel]

Team skull got the pod

[deft obsidian]

They mean team skull from mystery dungeon

[sand mica]

So what do you think of Mystery Dungeon Team Skull?

[unkempt kernel]

Oh right

[deft obsidian]

I remember they was boss of apple tree dungeon.

[unkempt kernel]

Never played the mystery dungeon games

[warm moss]

Exploud unironically has so much potential, and I'm glad someone else seriously wants the Whismur line added

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/edp-i-mean-its-all-right-gif-26702511

[sand mica]

Found this Team Skull DeviantArt artwork piece by Clobberstone.
https://www.deviantart.com/clobberstone/art/Team-Skull-520168964

[round light]

It's everything i have hoped for

[velvet root]

I also have to find time making a skuntank

[warm moss]

Actually, fuck that, I just realized Inkay/Malamar aren't in already and they're awesome

[deft obsidian]

Horror fusion material

[warm moss]

Imagine being able to use Contrary on something that isn't Serperior

[fathom ridge]

Doesn’t lurantis have contrary?

[warm moss]

And being able to make it have great moves and stats via fusion (and also look fairly cool)

[warm moss]

Oh, perhaps. I haven't really kept track of some of the newer mons, sorry

Okay it turns out there are actually a couple other contrary users, but Malamar and Inkay have fun designs you can do cool stuff with, and their typing is also pretty interesting to me (along with their stat spread)

[full bison]

Wonder how long Contrary V-create will exist before the Showdown team bans it

[molten loom]

It's already banned

#showdown-announcements message

[bronze barn]

imagine Poipole

ok bye

[full bison]

I really wanna see how people translate Poipole's head becoming Naganadel's abdomen when spriting them

Pretty much every Ultra Beast can be summed up as "they provide something unique and cool but also difficult to sprite"

[coral axle]

Yes

But I do love them

[bronze barn]

ok but like

Poipole

goodbye

[sand mica]

Remember when Skuntank was popular back in the day?

[full bison]

Skuntank's jagged lines and color palette could easily make for some neat fusions, but also the Internet being the Internet has me concerned about the direction they'd be taken

[eager jungle]

because it was ?

[full bison]

Same with Cubchoo

[hollow creek]

I liked skuntank at first but honestly i dont like it too much for IF anymore

[fathom ridge]

What is the concern with cubchoo?

[full bison]

Snot

Lotsa snot

[fathom ridge]

Sneezing fusions?

[stoic canopy]

Ew. No

[full bison]

I could see people being tame with Cubchoo, but also I just worry too much about people recreating Trebol from One Piece with it

I think the way Miltank's been handled has me concerned about any Pokemon associated with that kind of stuff

[velvet root]

I was wondering
what mons could be used for good little Nightmare refs?

I just saw a beautifull animation and now I started thinking

I also ask in here cuz I can see much being non if

[fathom ridge]

Mimikyu

[full bison]

Scraggy can help recreate that protagonist with the hood I think

[outer matrix]

also snorunt

[velvet root]

True Six could be made with them

[velvet root]

Or that
With Froslass becoming the Lady

[full bison]

I'd add more suggestions but I've barely seen anything about Little Nightmares beyond a few stray clips here and there. Heard good things but I'm not the biggest on dedicated horror media

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/six-six-ln-six-ln2-six-little-nightmares-little-nightmares-gif-1418530996094865781

Man im still so sad cuz of the ending from LN2
And I saw it what? 3 years ago

[velvet root]

Im unsure if I call it horror

Is it scary? Yeah a little
Is it bad? Not really, its a lot of ambience horror.
You never get Jumpscares or anything.

Maybe check some YT vids to it and decide after!
Im not really a horror person myself but its a really good game

[full bison]

If it's mostly ambience I might look more into it

[velvet root]

I say the scariest is the Patients
Cuz they work with light on and off mechanics

[full bison]

I've always been odd about horror stuff cause I was never the biggest on dedicated horror but love individually creepy stuff in non horror games like Giygas and Nihilego

[velvet root]

Little Nightmares has 0 Jump scares if that helps too

Okay scary parts are
Shadow children in the dlc from the first game
And from the second game
The Patients kinda
Same for the Teacher

Most fear you get is from trying your best that they dont see you

[hollow creek]

Hey zero do you know uncommonsoap

[velvet root]

Yeah
I saw a handfull vids of him

I also know hes on the DC

[hollow creek]

He used your venipede froakie in a stream of the beta

[velvet root]

Good taste

[hollow creek]

True

[velvet root]

Wait I check on Luxios drive if Little Nightmares sprites already exist

[full bison]

Man I wish I could wrap my head around spriting. Seeing something you worked on get appreciated by others seems like it's really fulfilling

[velvet root]

Just start

[hollow creek]

Even the best spriters started off making bad sprites, the more you fail the better you'll get, take my word

[velvet root]

Dont exist sadly

[full bison]

If I was going to pick it up I'd probably just try tracing over my drawings for the first few, but the only art programs I'm really familiar with are Microsoft Paint (ew) and Photoshop (refuse to support Adobe)

[velvet root]

I use Piskel

[outer matrix]

when I first joined, my sprites were too big and looked a bit...un-polished at first

[velvet root]

I mean #spriting-guidelines has everything you need to know

[steel meadow]

I think starting out by just splicing two gamefreak sprites is the best place to start

[velvet root]

I think I still have my first 2

[steel meadow]

Just to get a feel for how things generally go

[velvet root]

My first 2
The Honch/Hypno got scrapped and redesigned a lot

[outer matrix]

my first three were these

[velvet root]

Thats my Honch today

[steel meadow]

I think thats how it goes with ur first sprites

My first three

[steel meadow]

Such a glowup btw

[velvet root]

Tbh I kinda liked the more Bird like sprite
But both are nice

[steel meadow]

I see what you're saying

but at the same time technically your 2nd version is so much better

[velvet root]

Ik ik

Btw I really should finish some of my requests

[steel meadow]

you have requests?

what are they

[humble lance]

foox time

[steel meadow]

me when braixen

[humble lance]

how about when delfoox

[steel meadow]

me when delphox

[humble lance]

[steel meadow]

where tails tho

[humble lance]

[trail hull]

nice fusions

[velvet root]

Too many

The moment you have to extend the canvas

[steel meadow]

i dont even know how to turn on requests

i wanted to for the longest time

[velvet root]

Wait you mean to accept or to make one

[steel meadow]

but now i am a retired spriter that only spends his time on goats and bases to make more goats

[steel meadow]

to get this role

not that i want it anymore

[velvet root]

OOOH
Yeah I frogor how

[outer matrix]

#roles should have it

[steel meadow]

oh yeah its just right there

apparently im also a blind retired spriter

[outer matrix]

honestly, the ho-oh pride icon hides the fact that I am open for sprite requests

[steel meadow]

its kinda weird how its over your event winner tag aswell

[trail hull]

congrats

also what size is this ?

[velvet root]

Atm its 576x410

[velvet root]

Same

[humble lance]

just put it in ur username

[velvet root]

Do you accept every fusion with a middle evo as request?

[humble lance]

ye

[steel meadow]

non-if included??

[velvet root]

[humble lance]

[steel meadow]

🐐

[outer matrix]

should I show some non-if pokemon here since some aren't likely to join this update?

[velvet root]

Show us

[humble lance]

ye

[trail hull]

oh wow

impressive

[velvet root]

Bigger than year 1

year 1 is 576.384

[trail hull]

I started making somethign similar a whiel back

[velvet root]

That one is nice too

[steel meadow]

I'll probably do that if i get to 100 sprites

[velvet root]

Btw I do that only with PIF mons cuz I dont want to confuse people

[velvet root]

Start sooner
Else you have to place 100 sprites at once

[trail hull]

waiting for gogoat to release to see how much bigger will it be

[steel meadow]

make a non-if one

[outer matrix]

some previous non-if fusions from a while ago

[velvet root]

Im honest
I likely would have to extend it to both sides keeping it clean

[velvet root]

I love all of them!

[steel meadow]

eh i rather put if off untill i get 100 sprites in 2 years

[steel meadow]

love the rock

wait

the bee rock

[trail hull]

minior is my fav in these

[velvet root]

Man I wanna do a non IF sprite but idk what

[steel meadow]

fighting type goat

[outer matrix]

an ultra beast

[velvet root]

I want to go slower on Goats to collect good ideas

[steel meadow]

higher quality goats to advert our cause

[fathom ridge]

what if gogoat gets added right when you are going slow on goats

[spiral island]

Just wanna say that I hope they add Minior so I have another option for a space themed Nuzlocke

[steel meadow]

i honestly fear that i'll do less goats when goat is in the game

its fun to have our own little community of spriters and i feel like that might go if goat comes

[fathom ridge]

well then goat will get an official team

[velvet root]

Would be funny

[bronze barn]

Primarina

[velvet root]

Goat?

[spiral island]

Ooh 😮

Pretty 🤩

[bronze barn]

the team will continue afterwards smh my head

[velvet root]

Hes kinda space themed too

[bronze barn]

from my experience a pif team project could be fun af

look at team rockruff

we're fairly little but we enjoy it

[steel meadow]

the only team ive only cared about is team swinub

and team swinub was dead before i even joined

[bronze barn]

now imagine all the influx of new goat spriters when goat is introduced

[velvet root]

Nuh uh
You stop when Goat is completed

[vague oar]

https://tenor.com/view/azumanga-daioh-hello-everyone-hello-everynyan-oh-my-goh-gif-4097965043367168076

[steel meadow]

yes sir!

hello neko.drawing

[vague oar]

Do y’all know how many mons are left?

[fathom ridge]

3

[humble lance]

3

[steel meadow]

:3

[bronze barn]

1 million

[fathom ridge]

its vikavolt btw fr this time

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/alastor-hazbin-hotel-hello-greetings-radio-demon-gif-23228934

[bronze barn]

don't you know

[vague oar]

Three mons?

[steel meadow]

we're so vikaback?

[bronze barn]

It's Vikaviking

[vague oar]

I hope is Camerupt and Tropius

[humble lance]

es wrumple

[fathom ridge]

YES im coping for whats left

[bronze barn]

I hope for a lotta stuff

[bronze barn]

no, get this pokemon OUT of MY FACE RAHHHH, IT IS GIVING ME PTSD

[velvet root]

Wouldnt mind these 2
But I expect a 1 or 2 stage gen 4 mon and a legend

[vague oar]

Walrein would also be great

[bronze barn]

I mean chat

[steel meadow]

Im so surpised we didnt get spheal yet tbf

[bronze barn]

it is still not

Poipover

[fathom ridge]

i hope its something im exited about, the last few mons werent bad but they werent for me

[bronze barn]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-gif-26233207

[vague oar]

Toxicroak could be cool too

And Pangoro

Man, so many options

[velvet root]

Same with some

[steel meadow]

and mienshao for fighting

not to mention bugs

[velvet root]

Man I just said Pangoro would be sick a few hours ago

[steel meadow]

so many bugs.

[fathom ridge]

it has to be a two stage and a mythical right?

[bronze barn]

it's gonna take so many years, to get the alolan starters

but they're goated

[humble lance]

im honestly hoping for minior + yveltal + xerneas as 500

[bronze barn]

when zygarde

[vague oar]

Yea, Camerupt and Tropius

[steel meadow]

if im right and its the three zygarde forms i'll cry

[fathom ridge]

that its an acceptable line up for me ngl

[fathom ridge]

camerupt would be awesome

[steel meadow]

kid me actually thought tropius was a legendary

[bronze barn]

honestly dog zygarde is like, peak.

[humble lance]

true

[velvet root]

Is it comfirmed that Minior takes 1 slot

[bronze barn]

https://tenor.com/view/zygarde-pokemon-roar-power-up-attack-gif-17351590

look at dawg

[steel meadow]

zygarde is like the second worst trio master

[spiral musk]

tropius is a legendary now

[humble lance]

honestly minior being one slot makes the most sense

[vague oar]

It’ll probably take two, for the form change

[velvet root]

Kid me thought Tropius is good cuz Dinosaur

[bronze barn]

Zygarde is good smh my head

hater

[fathom ridge]

nuh huh zigarde is great

[bronze barn]

Seb is a hater confirmed

[steel meadow]

im a hater of newer legends

[humble lance]

most minior sprites use both forms so idk

[bronze barn]

GASP

[steel meadow]

i know im a hater

[bronze barn]

YOU HATE ZACIAN AND ZAMAZENTA??????

[fathom ridge]

opinion on bike dragons sir?

[velvet root]

Wow
Silent or I show you the poison monkey

[steel meadow]

yes

[bronze barn]

Smh seb

how DARE you have another opinion from the one I DO

[steel meadow]

oh bike dragons are poo too

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/loyal-three-munkidori-fezandipiti-pecharunt-okidogi-gif-5281751606167621699

[vague oar]

Im a hater of Flamigo

[bronze barn]

[velvet root]

Nah he is peak

[fathom ridge]

[steel meadow]

although the ancient bike is fine

[bronze barn]

gasp

[vague oar]

Nah, it’s not even a pokemon

[bronze barn]

Miraidon is cool

[steel meadow]

flamigo is funny

[fathom ridge]

koraidon might be my favorite box legend ngl

[vague oar]

I’ll fight that bird barehanded and win

[steel meadow]

but sucks

[humble lance]

i think making it one slot is more fun

[fathom ridge]

arent those mutually exclusive?

[bronze barn]

I do truly wonder, how they'll make minior work ingame

[steel meadow]

i was about to call koraidon miraidon

[velvet root]

But Boxing glove Lawn flamingo qwq

[fathom ridge]

its great

[steel meadow]

i guess its fine cuz funny then

[vague oar]

Flamigo makes 0 sense design wise and I hate it

[steel meadow]

like its almost stunfisk levels of dumb

[full bison]

I'm less of a fan of Flamigo now than before since I learned about the beta flamingo Pokemon that had actual personality

[fathom ridge]

whats this flamigo slander smh

[bronze barn]

it's an Amigo

[vague oar]

That barely resembles one, it’s kinda a stretch just to make it a fighting type, same with the dancing thing, the only thing about it it’s the ability

[humble lance]

pidgey and taillow are also just birds tho lol

[velvet root]

Look what they do to Tyrantrum

[steel meadow]

is part of ur hate for flamigo cuz of its name?

[spiral island]

I don’t see it tbh

[vague oar]

Normal type birds

[velvet root]

Pidgey is worse tbh

[bronze barn]

NUH UH TAILLOW IS PEAK

[humble lance]

lol

[bronze barn]

TAILLOW IS PEAK DESIGN

TAILLOW IS PEAK POKEMON

[velvet root]

Taillow is cool

[bronze barn]

https://tenor.com/view/swellow-taillow-yummy-gif-20872516

[vague oar]

I hate all aspects of it

[bronze barn]

look at it

LOOK AT IT

eateding

akgjkagdsnjksagdbsgdkdksajg

[humble lance]

why it eating chocolate

[outer matrix]

There's tons of normal type birds tbh

[velvet root]

How does that even work?

[trail hull]

how many possible mons rn?

[steel meadow]

starly>

[bronze barn]

cause it doesn't CARE what you thinks

[humble lance]

lol

[vague oar]

Also, they’re bigger than their real life counterpart, and have different proportions

[bronze barn]

for MINIMUM WAGE!

[vague oar]

Flamigo is just a flamingo

[bronze barn]

Unreal

[full bison]

Clefable, Starmie, and Deoxys mostly from what I can tell

[bronze barn]

can starly Facade flame orb like a beast?????

[velvet root]

and a boxing gloth

[bronze barn]

I don't THINK SO

[steel meadow]

i have a sinnoh bias. but yeah swellow is way more fun to play with

[vague oar]

It’s barely one, it was probably just a happy accident

[velvet root]

Also I always misspell it

[bronze barn]

Swellow is like one of my favorite pokemon fr

[steel meadow]

how do we feel if we got the slug?

i like slug

[spiral island]

I’m not sure. I know that Cleffa and Palkia are two of ‘em off the top of my head

[fathom ridge]

what slug?

[bronze barn]

which?

[full bison]

Gastrodon is pretty neat

[fathom ridge]

gastrodon?

[bronze barn]

gastrodon?

[steel meadow]

gastrodon

do we have anymore slugs that arent goomy?

[spiral island]

But, I think the options are limited

[fathom ridge]

Yeah gastrodon is awesome

[vague oar]

Also, why the fuck a flamingo is a boxing glove and why being shaped like one is enough to make you a fighting type?

[bronze barn]

https://tenor.com/view/toniodiggy-gastrodon-pokemon-shiny-hello-gif-5702148930776752169

[outer matrix]

"Staraptor should be fighting/flying "

[bronze barn]

wo chien

[spiral island]

Gastrodon is pretty dope

[full bison]

Starmie?

[steel meadow]

wo chien existing

[fathom ridge]

gastrodon heads could be sooo cool

[steel meadow]

man i really dislike paldea legends

[bronze barn]

https://tenor.com/view/チオンジェン-wo-chien-doubt-squint-squints-gif-7134518064446479628

[spiral island]

Thank you. That’s another one

[velvet root]

See its him

[bronze barn]

L take

goldfish is cool

sword cat is cool

like

[fathom ridge]

you dont like cristal turtle :0

[bronze barn]

they made sword dog

and then they made

[outer matrix]

Where's the eyes

[vague oar]

That still makes 0 sense design wise

[bronze barn]

sword cat

like

it's so peak

I swear

https://tenor.com/view/zacian-pokémon-swosh-gif-14286446

[steel meadow]

all of them are bad except some of the forms and ogerpon

[velvet root]

They are discord dark colord

[bronze barn]

https://tenor.com/view/chien-pao-yippee-jump-happy-dance-gif-27595010

[steel meadow]

ogerpon is cute.

[full bison]

All the Treasures of Ruin are peak

[bronze barn]

look at that cat

[steel meadow]

i still dont get why people like the gold fish