pif-hoenn-discussion

[long seal]

N-Lunarizer and N-Solarizer i think

[clear lichen]

You need to have both Necrozma and Lunala/Solgaleo on your team, then use the N-Lunarizer/Solarizer on Necrozma, then the Pokemon you want to fuse it to iirc

I could be misremembering though

This is present in USUM, SWSH and SV

[turbid topaz]

Well... Even if it is the case, I know 2 Pokemon who perfectly fit the requirements of such a Form Change who I believe aren't in yet.

[unique flame]

castform my beloved

[clear lichen]

The fusion is considered to be Necrozma

[turbid topaz]

What? No, I'm talking about Shaymin and Hoopa

[prime dust]

no you right

[long seal]

Wouldn't they just make Hoopa's second Form an Alternate Sprite like they did with Giratina?

[turbid topaz]

Why wasn't that the case for Ultra Necrozma then?

[prime dust]

i think hoopa unbound has different stats

[unique flame]

when frog release castform i will make a team of 5 castform fusions and 1 drizzle mon with sunny day

[clear lichen]

So does Gira-A

[long seal]

Good point

[clear lichen]

And Gira-O

[turbid topaz]

The weird issue is that Origin Giratina ALSO has different Stats from Regular

[prime dust]

gira was in the game before form shifting was a thing

[clear lichen]

Hoopa-U's form change is also different from Giratina's iirc

Hoopa-U form changes from using the item on Hoopa

While Giratina needs to hold the item

[prime dust]

gira is also weird in that it retains the same bst but shifts its stats

hoopa to unbound is a full upgrade in stats

[turbid topaz]

And then we have Shaymin Sky

[clear lichen]

I'm not sure if Gira-A only appeared as Gira-A in battle before Gen 9, akin to Zacian

[subtle socket]

Weird to ask but can you play pokemon infinite fusion on android using the lightweight installer?

[clear lichen]

But if it did, that's another differentiating factor

[prime dust]

no

android has its own guide

[subtle socket]

But the og installer takes hours for me to download the zip file

[prime dust]

the lightweight installer wont work on android because android can't run a batch file

you need to use the android guide

period

[subtle socket]

Oh

Ok

[prime dust]

no ifs ands or buts about it

[turbid topaz]

Anyways, back to what I was saying: Hoopa and Shaymin are potential options

[coarse karma]

@sinful smelt Sorry to keep spamming ya haha, hey what new pokemon are you hoping for to possibly be revealed next?

[sinful smelt]

that's so wholesome of you ❤️ tbh, numel line sounds pog, and one of my favourites, spinda, is someone I'd love to see. Kinda shocked and worried tho, that yuma is planning on doing all 1000 spinda sprites

[molten latch]

https://tenor.com/view/spheal-sniff-nose-hungry-pokemon-gif-14614876398478750391

What did I miss?

[gray vine]

The rising of the dark lord

[prime dust]

you missed a lot of 0's

spinda has more than 1000 sprites

[sinful smelt]

no, no, I mean, not a 4 billion spot patterns, but yuma plans on doing all spinda fusions as both head and body, which is 1000 sprites

[wraith geode]

just wondering but is there an unlockable team rocket outfit (in the beta)

[prime dust]

ah

https://tenor.com/view/pain-bot-all-i-know-is-pain-in-pain-gif-13783394

i think for the body yuma should def change the spots up a bit to mess with people

so it's not the exact same spinda every time

or head, whichever will give spots

[glass patio]

yes, each of the body spindas should have different patterns

[hot hamlet]

Do you truly want spoilers? ||ye||

[coarse karma]

i'd have loved numel getting in. also thats a lotta sprites.

[wraith geode]

yeah lol

[hot hamlet]

||ye and then some ||

[stoic canopy]

My hope is that ||all of the teams outfits will be added eventually. I’m sure I’m not the only one that wants to rep team skull about 15 years too early.||

[tired kraken]

Is there any way I can see the custom sprites for the new Pokemon that are in the beta?

[prime dust]

acquire new pokemon

then check the dex

[pale sparrow]

Hi, sorry to bother you but I was gonna ask you about something playtest related in dms, but it won't let me directly contact you. Could you maybe dm me so that I can get in touch with you there 👀

[hot hamlet]

I don't do dms after an incident last year. If you have a question, ask here. If you feel it should be spoilered, place || around what you want spoilered.

But just know there are several people that are further into it than me. I'm only up to the midgame, while other regulars on here are in postgame

[pale sparrow]

ah okay, all good then 👍

[marble meadow]

i Wonder what kind of ref or joke fusions are possible with the new one also I want a Simon says fusion but instead with the word heaven says

[turbid steppe]

Are kalos starters in the game? I thought I saw somewhere they were, but I can't find them to choose as a starter.

[velvet root]

In beta test
You can get the beta by becoming a beta tester in #roles

[turbid steppe]

Ok, thanks. Any idea when they are coming out of beta and into the real game?

[velvet root]

Wish thought from owner is November
December is likely
But it can happen to be later

[spare shore]

minior!!!

[molten loom]

I have discovered that you can view the Hall of fame like the old version from the PC in the beta, and not just have it in a line

[weak trellis]

oooh nice

even retains any hats you put on your mons

[austere thicket]

this did not have to go so hard for an unevolved form

[stoic canopy]

||Tbf litwick is like one of the few Pokemon that tends to have better looking fusions then it’s evolutions||

[austere thicket]

look at what i posted in #fusions

[humble lance]

[molten loom]

Wait a minute

I just realised the date is wrong on it

2 days off

[coral axle]

Maybe because you accessed the pc today ?

[molten loom]

Maybe

But I would think the date shown is when the hall of fame was entered

[coral axle]

It should but it also makes sense if it’s through accessing a pc and not actually changing a setting

[pine bobcat]

should i combined shedinja with snorlax or spiritomb, if snorlax then only dark types can hit me, if spiritomb then only fairy types but i dont know about the moves ill be able to learn and whats better

[glass patio]

@somber crow no way

epic yorui certified fire appreciation

[somber crow]

Indeed

[somber crow]

Chandelure ones are also really good though

[coral axle]

Facts

[stoic canopy]

Chandelure does have some nice looking fusions, don’t get me wrong, but a lot of them are chandelure shaped like another Pokémon.

[simple gulch]

nah the whole line is lit

[tired kraken]

Only just realized now, should've said custom fusions

[simple bolt]

Wheres typhlosion

[molten loom]

Didn't use one

[simple bolt]

Sad

[molten loom]

This was the last time I used one

[bitter comet]

Can’t wait for next Sunday

Wonder what’s gonna be revealed next?

[outer matrix]

I believe that a 2 stage (493 & 494) is left to be revealed next, right before we get the final 3 Pokémon (498, 499 & 500) announced later

[stiff ember]

here is to hoping its skuntank. was decieved and though they were already added in my absence

was bitterly disappointed

[sharp sphinx]

sitll say no to skunktank gonna get some weirdo fusions from that

[stiff ember]

miltank exists

let me have my fav pokemon

[outer matrix]

however, due to the reveals mostly being popular pokemon from the votes, salazzle may be the next 2-stage that gets added

[stiff ember]

another one who will have "weird" fusions

atleast i like that one too

[sharp sphinx]

do we know what was popular from the votes?

[stiff ember]

pretty much all my favs arent in the game

[sharp sphinx]

was data released?

[outer matrix]

Only the top 5; check pins

[sharp sphinx]

aay excradrill made it to top 5

thats one of my main hopes

[cobalt temple]

wingull

[outer matrix]

we definitely need more unova pokemon in the game tbh --- lots of good designs, stats and such

[cobalt temple]

i rlly like the dwebble and roggenrola lines, they'd def make some promising fusion sprites

maybe tympole too

carracosta should def be added tho, its design is too good to pass up

[alpine rune]

Pelipper line and Vanilish line

[cobalt temple]

i'd cry if vanilish was added next

[alpine rune]

https://tenor.com/view/jolly-pokemon-pokemon-showdown-chiyu-abomasnow-gif-17930967338398438358

[cobalt temple]

obamasnow

[alpine rune]

Ok then pelipper line abomasnow line and one minior

[cobalt temple]

sounds better tbh. vanilish line's design is entirely a meme (and prob hell to sprite too)

"vaniluxe body fusions - 0.1%"

[deft obsidian]

Vaniluxe is cute

[cobalt temple]

admittedly, i've never sprited any multi-headed body mon fusions before. im not abt to make more than one of the same head, each facing a dif angle

prob should've saved that for spriter-general, but whatever

[coarse karma]

I'm blindly calling it now, tomorrow we're gonna get some sort of announcement related to the next event for he next New Pokemon reveal🤞

I know we just got one not too long ago but one can dream.

[velvet root]

The head is probably hell

For bodys
Just look at the head mon and think about what kinds of Ice cream you can make out of it

Carbink and Canillish line is a Stone cone with Lemon ice cream (cuz that is white) and rock sugar
You can add the ears as 2 spoons too
And the face could be in the Vanillish stile or made our of sweets too

As a example

[cobalt temple]

fair point

[velvet root]

I made a Skiddo one too wait

Mint with Choclate sprinkles
A orange waffle cone
A Spoon made to look like a horn
Colord choclate leaf
And a Oreo

[cobalt temple]

a little hard to tell there's skiddo, but looks cute!

[velvet root]

I think it is a fun idea that you have to find out with colors and small hints on the fusion

[velvet root]

GO-Goatcheese breakfast!
||You see what I did there ||

Did you know that Chevre mean Goat
And Gogoat german name is Chevrumm
Coming from Chevre and Brumm the word for the sound that Motors from Cars and Bikes make

Did you know that the Makhor Has really unique and cool horns but also some of the cutest babys

[quaint matrix]

Oh man if we're getting Salazzle soon

Can't wait to see somebody doing Juri with Salazzle

[velvet root]

If we dont focus too much on the Sexual stuff Salazzle has going on it can make super sick stuff with its Monitor Lizard inspiration, color comby and pink flames

[full bison]

Gameplay wise it also offers up Corrosion, though I'm unsure if it's possible to make it into the tanky Pokemon that'd want to abuse that kind of ability

more sweepers are always nice at least

[velvet root]

Last random Goat fact
Did you know that Goat cheese is the healthiest kind of cheese that is often sold!
It also contains less Lactose than most other kinds of cheese!

[velvet root]

Doesnt Corrosion also allows it to Attack Steel and Poison types with Poison moves?

[full bison]

nope

just poison them

[velvet root]

Wow thats shit XD

[full bison]

It's a decent ability, just not on a sweeper like Salazzle

Besides she'd probably still use Fire moves against Steel types anyways even if it did lol

[velvet root]

Ik still would be cooler like that
Cuz you cant gamble on poison from PJab or so
Means you HAVE to use Toxic on a slot

[full bison]

imagine a timeline where Toxapex and Salazzle swapped their signature abilities. Imagine how scary that would be on both fronts

Toxapex being able to Toxic stall absolutely everything and Salazzle becoming a crit god

[velvet root]

Kinda weird that it isnt that case

[quaint matrix]

I mean maybe that's GameFreak balancing in action

[velvet root]

True

Imagine breeding could pass Abilitys to some mons

Like some can give Moves

[full bison]

the funniest part about Corrosion IMO is that the only other Pokemon to have it is Glimmora, who has a significantly better option in Toxic Debris

[velvet root]

Like Slaking could breed with snorlax and give it Truant (weak example)
Or Talonflame breed with Archeops to give it Gale wings

[quaint matrix]

You know what's funnier about Salazzle

It now learns Fire Lash, formerly Heatmor's sig move

80 BP Fire Physical

On a 64 Attack vs 112 Sp. Atk

Make it make sense Sugimori

[velvet root]

I think its a joke to a diffrent thing

[frank canopy]

This made me so happy
Even with the Mirror B music... Absolute perfection.

[velvet root]

I was dissapointed cuz I hoped for something I like more than Ludi for my bday
But its fine
Not a bad mon at all

[frank canopy]

Funny you mention that... It's actually my birthday tomorrow 😂

[velvet root]

Lol
If Gogoat gets in this week end then it is completly switched prob XD
Would be cooler if Ludi got in shortly after your bday as a "present"

[velvet root]

So since your the Ludicolo expert
You dont happen to have a idea what I could do in a fusion designe with it qwq

[frank canopy]

I wouldn't want to tell you, because I'm thinking of doing my own 😜

[velvet root]

OOOOH
Nice
cant wait to see it

Here have a Lotad

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/miror-mirorb-pkmn-pokemon-pokemoncolosseum-gif-8200853

[alpine rune]

Don't worry, pelipper is going to be the next addition

[velvet root]

wouldnt be too mad
not too happy
Neutral

Cuz he stole my fries

[void zenith]

Can someone show me the most autistic fusion known to man

[trail hull]

this one? Also it isn't the proper channel for it's #fusions

[bold atlas]

oh hi tbh

[trail hull]

hi

[hollow creek]

Has anyone tried putting a hat on cacturne yet

[rancid nymph]

Cacturne comes with a hat

[hollow creek]

Yeah i wanna see what a second hat would look like

[prime dust]

watch it just be another smaller cacturne

which then has its own smaller cacturne hat

infinite cacturne

[deft obsidian]

#1230165321684615169 message

[elfin goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/espurr-rinya-pokemon-pokemon-xy-pokeani-gif-25178119

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-spheal-charm-heart-gif-14841774

[rancid nymph]

Port it to the switch

[elfin goblet]

IKR

[sour stream]

Pupper

[round light]

Exploud will be added, just look

[trail hull]

I rather have gogoat

[silent acorn]

New leak

Gogoat did ||nothing, absolutely nothing, everything is ok. You worrywart||

[velvet root]

I dont believe the Leaks that are only there to get us looking
Im 99% sure those are fake to get more people to talk about it

[silent acorn]

According to the other leaks is very possible

[silent acorn]

Yeah i know

Well i can't forgive gamefreak, what the actual frickity frak

[trail hull]

honestly people who do fake leaks don't deserve to be here

[silent acorn]

I only seen Typh being seen that way on furr channels

[silent acorn]

Here is another leak ||pokebio is cool||

Now is it fake? I dunno

[trail hull]

tho ||bribing is allowed|| , I changed my mind

[velvet root]

I dont talk to much about it except that I think this part is one of the faked things to guarantee getting people to read and talk about it

[silent acorn]

It's pretty goofy haha

[velvet root]

Same for Metagross and Cacturn "concept arts"

[silent acorn]

Hard to tell with the guy whats fake and whats not

[silent acorn]

Gotta check em out

[velvet root]

i dm you

[silent acorn]

But honestly the leakers these days are more like grifters

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-chatot-split-depth-gif-23701772

pokemon battle revolution was peak

[velvet root]

True

[marble meadow]

also my bet is on chatot

[marble meadow]

or some 2 stage evo praying for malamar or escavalier

[wide merlin]

praying for lumineon

[full bison]

This chatroom continues its trend of being feast or famine

[coarse karma]

What does Juri mean?

[steel meadow]

God damn it why did u start typing

[full bison]

Street Fighter Character

[steel meadow]

I was about to spread propaganda 🐐

[prime dust]

propagande is useless, the vote is over; and while we have 5 mons left, this channel is temp; it will vanish sometime after the last mon is revealed, and then it might come back next time frog wants to add mons [which would be next year maybe]

[steel meadow]

i know its useless, but still fun

[quaint matrix]

I mean we could still keep this channel I feel like

[deft obsidian]

Did they added more pokemon compare to last year?

[quaint matrix]

Just to discuss pokemons in IF in general

[prime dust]

less

[steel meadow]

better than to sit and talk about off topic stuff

[prime dust]

nah, last time we had the vote after the last mon was revealed the channel vanished

[quaint matrix]

Aw man

Guess #playthrough-talk or #fusions will suffer my occasional fusion meta talks

[deft obsidian]

The last pokemon added was cresselia

[prime dust]

last year's vote added 50 mons, this time we're getting 30

[steel meadow]

Honestly 30 is a lot more manageable as a number

[deft obsidian]

Oh shi- :0

[steel meadow]

I rather have smaller additions but more often

[quaint matrix]

Anything as long as my queen Vespiquen gets in eventually

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-hyper-beam-vespiqueen-power-gif-12817073

[steel meadow]

Vespiquen feels like a decent likelyhood for next years vote

[full bison]

I'm just here hoping for either the rather likely mienshao or the absolute moonshot Naganadel

[steel meadow]

Dress motif has lots of potential

[deft obsidian]

I like vespiquen design. Wish it was useful

[quaint matrix]

I just don't want the Order moves stuck on Beedrill man

[steel meadow]

Im hoping for the decently likely goat or the also decently likely random sinnoh mon

[quaint matrix]

Unlike Beedrill too I feel like you can redeem Vespiquen by just replacing either of its typing with anything else

It's got the bulky tank stats but that typing aaauuuggghhhhhhh

[full bison]

Vespiquen really is a 9/10 design stuck on one of the worst types so nobody ever discusses it. It's unfortunate

[deft obsidian]

And 3 signature move

[steel meadow]

Also it has a just a few stat points too low aswell i think

[quaint matrix]

Bro Soft-Boiled on Bug is real aces shit but like

On a Bug/Flying?

[steel meadow]

Like if it had one exceptional defensive stat i think it would really fucking good for fusions

[full bison]

I wanna see a Termite Pokemon get the Order moves.

[quaint matrix]

It is at least comparable to like

A lot of Gen 1 evos imo

[full bison]

Not neccissarily a Vespi Convergent tho, Termites have kings and I'd like to see that acknowledged

[quaint matrix]

And you can't say a lot of Gen 1 evos are that bad

[steel meadow]

I think theres a reason why i use not that many gen 1 mons

[quaint matrix]

They just stack up so badly nowadays

Happiny/Munchlax line notwithstanding

[full bison]

powercreep, amirite?

[deft obsidian]

The only weak one is magmortar 😔

[clear lichen]

Snorlax definitely stacks up poorly

[deft obsidian]

All of them are strong

[clear lichen]

Bro got sent from top 2 OU to top 1 OU and Ubers to ZU

[full bison]

Snorlax would be solid if Gamefreak weren't cowards and gave it Slack Off

[quaint matrix]

Idk Snorlax in the meta is like not the best anymore like it was Gen 1/2 but it's always been the top of the pack

[clear lichen]

The years have not treated Snorlax well

[quaint matrix]

Being the top of the pack everywhere it is (even in ZU) is still a crowning moment

Can't say the same for Tauros

[steel meadow]

The only two gen 1 pokemon ive used in my two hall of fames is Mewtwo and Cloyster (cant remember what the pokemon actually was in my goat run)

[quaint matrix]

Tauros just fucking sunk

[steel meadow]

Unless i missed one.

[clear lichen]

Starmie's another mon that recently kinda jusy fell off

[clear lichen]

I feel like you can

[full bison]

Starmie falling off made me sad

[weak trellis]

mostly since tauros was the biggest benefactor of how awkward gen 1 normal was lol

[full bison]

It's one of my fav Gen 1 Pokemon

[clear lichen]

All the tiers it ends up in, it ends up being good in

Yknow unless it's a banlist or something

[weak trellis]

most notably the lack of steel types and Decisive Strike (aka former hyper beam) still being a thing

[quaint matrix]

Idk man after Gen 4 and with Bouffalant around it feels very redundant/middle of the road

[clear lichen]

But they both kinda really fell down the tiers, and Tauros did so quicker

[quaint matrix]

It took Snorlax 5 Gen before it fell off the OU game

[deft obsidian]

Because gerninja and tapu

[quaint matrix]

Tauros just needs like 2 gens tops

[clear lichen]

Isn't Tauros better than Bouffalant

[steel meadow]

Remember when psychic types were good?

[full bison]

How broken would Hyper Beam be if it went back to how it worked in Gen 1? I feel like it'd still be a risky option

[clear lichen]

Yeah no it is

[quaint matrix]

Overcorrection goes crazy

[clear lichen]

As in specifically Hyper Beam or Hyper Beam and its clones

[quaint matrix]

Literal deadweight type carried by several busted Pokemons in spite of the type

[steel meadow]

Waiting for a certain someone to rant for 9 hours cus i mentioned that type

[clear lichen]

Tbf it's the same just on different mons

[clear lichen]

Nah dw I only rant about Psychic being ass if someone claims it isn't

[quaint matrix]

Yeah I feel like all the Hyper Beam clones can just work the same as Gen 1 Hyper Beam nowadays tbh

[steel meadow]

I still think its slightly better than u make it out to be :3

but yeah its definetly ass

[clear lichen]

Gen 1 Hyper Beam on Porygon-Z would be so funny

Well not directly gen 1 Hyper Beam

[full bison]

Pyschic would hit Fairy for Super Effective damage in a just world. I feel like that'd fix alot

[clear lichen]

Hyper Beam with Gen 1 mechanics

[quaint matrix]

I'll do you one better

[clear lichen]

Gen 1 Hyper Beam is physical

[quaint matrix]

We can just have Psychic hits Steel super effectively now

[clear lichen]

Psychic being SE on steel makes more sense

[quaint matrix]

Great minds think alike

[clear lichen]

Which is funny since Steel resists Psychic

[steel meadow]

It still does that?

[clear lichen]

Yup

[quaint matrix]

It's a Gen 2 balance moment that we can just probably strike off nowadays

[clear lichen]

Steel's resists to Dark and Ghosts were removed though

[steel meadow]

Man steel types do be stupid broken

[full bison]

Fairy needs something else to hit it for SE, and Psychic makes the most sense there

[clear lichen]

Bug

[quaint matrix]

Normal

[clear lichen]

Because fuck it we ball

[steel meadow]

yeah bug

[quaint matrix]

At the very least imo Bug should just hit it neutrally

Like why are we making Fairy resist Bug

[clear lichen]

Yeah that's the bare minimum

[quaint matrix]

It's like making Fairy resist Grass like why are we doing this to these types

[clear lichen]

But it'd be so funny to just fuck over any Fairy/Psychic with just 1 change

[clear lichen]

It doesn't resist Grass

[quaint matrix]

No it doesn't but I'm saying like

It's as headass a move as if that is real

You're making a weak type even weaker and FOR WHAT

[clear lichen]

Also tbf currently Grass and Bug occupy defensive niches and not offensive ones

That said, Grass Coverage is used for mons that struggle with Waters and Grounds

And nothing is immune to Bug

So uhh

U-Turn goes brrr

[quaint matrix]

Speaking of fucking over Fairy/Psychic

[clear lichen]

U-Turn benefits Flying more than Bug

[quaint matrix]

Wouldn't it be so funny if we make Ice just full on effective against Water

[full bison]

I'd say it's the opposite that makes more sense there. A big theory on Fairy is that it uses nature magic, so the nature type should resist that

[quaint matrix]

[clear lichen]

I do not like this

[full bison]

U-turn in Japan is Round Trip so yeah it makes more sense for Flying type

[coarse karma]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPWmTBBGoSg ok but the spheal thumbnail lol

[clear lichen]

More Flying types get U-Turn than Bug types, and some of the Bugs that get U-Turn are set up sweepers like Volcarona and Frosmoth that
1: Want to keep their stat boosts
2: Really need all their move slots for stuff like recovery or more coverage

U-Turn's distribution needs to be both cut down and spread out

So that yknow

Physical bug types actually get U-Turn

And there aren't more Flying types with U-Turn than Bug types

[weak trellis]

and is bug because japanese dragonfly pun

[quaint matrix]

It's just gonna be on Scizor where it makes the most sense take it or leave it

[steel meadow]

Do many bugs get first impression nowadays?

I feel like that would help alot too (although its sad to take it away from the pod)

[clear lichen]

First Impression's distribution is very small iirc

But I do know a few bugs get it

[full bison]

Golisopod, Slither Wing, and Lokix are pretty much it lol

[clear lichen]

Golisopod, Durant, Slither Wing, Lokix for example

[quaint matrix]

Only these guys gets it

Oh you mean in the canon games

[steel meadow]

I meant in general

[clear lichen]

Lmao

[full bison]

Not even Durant

[clear lichen]

Let me check rq

[full bison]

oh wait it's by breeding

Also Spidops gets it too LMAO

Like it can use it

[steel meadow]

They just gave it to all the weak paldea ones (sorry slither wing i still love you)

[full bison]

Slither Wing isn't bad

[clear lichen]

Idk, Slither Wing and Lokix are definitely at the higher end of Bug types

Lokix is kinda carried by Tinted Lens tbf

Tinted Lens is such a great ability

[steel meadow]

Doesnt lokix still have 400 something bst?

[coarse karma]

@radiant briar @unique rock Spheal :3

[clear lichen]

I think? But it's like UU

[full bison]

It's decently minmaxed tho

[clear lichen]

UU is extremely impressive

In a Gen 9 context at least

[full bison]

It's got solid enough speed and attack to do what it needs to

[quaint matrix]

I don't think there's ever been a flop UU

[full bison]

It's not like Spidops where it doesn't have a single stat above 90

[steel meadow]

Idk why spidops is that bad

[quaint matrix]

Every UU meta of each gens are just pretty fkin cool and they all consistently have the top dog being the literal gatekeeper of OU

[clear lichen]

92 defence

[steel meadow]

Like can we just get away from making some mons intentionally piss weak?

[clear lichen]

That said, 60 HP

So the physical bulk is still bad

L bozo

[full bison]

Those extra 2 points really making a difference

[quaint matrix]

Just like Beedrill's extra 5 Attack from out of 80 makes a difference

[clear lichen]

Makes sense to make an extremely early Pokemon piss weak

[quaint matrix]

[clear lichen]

Even if it's sad

[steel meadow]

But like bibarel for example

Is okay

[full bison]

thing is they clearly didn't want Spidops to be bad

[clear lichen]

Bibarel is pretty bad though

[full bison]

they clearly want it to be a support mon worth something

[clear lichen]

I mean not terrible

And has like

Moody

But apart from Moody yeah it's terrible

[full bison]

But there's just so many better support mons like Whimsicott

[steel meadow]

Bibarel is awful but it has a case that that makes it useable

[clear lichen]

Simple's fun though

[fathom ridge]

Moody is pretty questionable in competitive

[steel meadow]

Spidops is just like....

[clear lichen]

In fact, all of Bibarel's 3 abilities kinda go hard

[quaint matrix]

Bibarel feels like the Gen 4 attempt of the Nincada line

Bleh early game Pokemon carried by insane abilities

But like I mean

[clear lichen]

Moody is banned in Singles because gambling your victory on a dice roll is very uncompetitive

Either you win via 0 skill and 100 luck

[quaint matrix]

It'd be great if Bibarel can learn more ways to buff for Simple to get real sick nasty

[clear lichen]

Or lose via 0 skill and 0 luck

And people didn't like that

[full bison]

So many bad Pokemon have god tier abilities

[fathom ridge]

Game freak should add a move that has a 50% chance to make you instantly lose or win

[quaint matrix]

Ninjask's stats is mid but he very quickly has an obvious key way of actually making use of Speed Boost

[steel meadow]

Moody smeargle be like=

[full bison]

Swoobat with Simple, Spidops with Stakeout, etc

[quaint matrix]

Shedinja's Wonder Guard is Wonder Guard

[molten loom]

Give it to Victini to be canon

[fathom ridge]

I wonder if there will be another wonder guard Pokémon

[steel meadow]

Trump rat with stakeout aswell

[clear lichen]

Probably not

[full bison]

Imagine how scary Stakeout would be on, like, a Pseudo

[clear lichen]

Does Venomoth count if it has an NUBL streak

[steel meadow]

Make a psychic type with wonder guard

[quaint matrix]

Yknow I could've sworn Houndstone was Ghost/Rock

[clear lichen]

I mean NUBL's pretty decent

[quaint matrix]

But it was just Ghost the whole time???

[steel meadow]

Huge power rabbits are fun aswell

[clear lichen]

But it is definitely carried by Tinted Lens

And Quiver Dance

[fathom ridge]

What would be another concept for a busted ability for a regional shedinja?

[full bison]

Don't bet me started on Ghost/rock...

[clear lichen]

Anyways, Frosmoth with Ice Scales

[quaint matrix]

I mean it's so good it carried Azumarill consistently on UU

[steel meadow]

Reverse wonder guard. Only not very effective moves kills it

[clear lichen]

In fact just Fur Coat and Ice Scales mons in general

[full bison]

Frosmoth could have been amazing

But alas, Slow Ice Meme

[clear lichen]

Slow bulky ice type, I am sad

[steel meadow]

I mean Azumarill also has the 2nd or 3rd best dual typing in the game which helps

[quaint matrix]

I remember someone saying the only reason GF hasn't made any Ghost/Rock yet is because they don't want spinblockers that can also set hazards

[steel meadow]

The other rabbit isnt as good

[fathom ridge]

It’s so sad game freak kept tera-electric air ballon shedinja from being a thing

[clear lichen]

I like moth Pokemon but there's 2 that are above RU

[quaint matrix]

Well even before getting Fairy Azumarill is just always good from Gen 3 to 5

[radiant briar]

https://tenor.com/view/orb-spheal-pondering-my-orb-pokemon-pondering-gif-24206579

[full bison]

Honestly I'm fine with that

[clear lichen]

And one is a cyborg that is so cyborg it isn't a bug type

:(

[full bison]

Would've been so annoying in Online battles

[clear lichen]

It's Mothover

[quaint matrix]

Wait how did they get around that in the end

[fathom ridge]

It’s probably for the better in the competitive scene but it would have been funny

[quaint matrix]

Is Air Balloon just not in game or Shedinja can't be Tera-Electric or

[fathom ridge]

Shedinja isnt in SV

[steel meadow]

I mean fair but its probably cuz of the weaker meta game back then (mostly)

[full bison]

Shedinja was dexited

[quaint matrix]

Oh lol

[clear lichen]

Shedinja with Tera is just fucking dumb in general

[quaint matrix]

I thought he's in the game with the way you said it

[full bison]

shedinja with Tera is just fucking dumb in general

it breaks so much stuff

[steel meadow]

Id argue tera typings are the second most fun mechanic after megas

[fathom ridge]

Tera is awesome (-someone who doesn’t play competitive)

[full bison]

it can be fun, sure, but it's so busted

[steel meadow]

I mean so was any other mechanic aswell?

[clear lichen]

If you don't have Sandstorm user (which are all bad) or Toxic/Will-O user, or Lunala/Solgaleo (Mid/Bad), or Necrozma (Great/Bad), or Zekrom/Reshiram/Kyurem (Mid/ass/mid), you have to play a guessing game

Since yknow

Heavy Duty Boots

[fathom ridge]

The open sheet format keeps it balanced in VGC (I think)

[deft obsidian]

Tera suck (<someone who dosen't play SV)

[full bison]

Dynamax was lame and Z-moves had some balancing factor to them

[clear lichen]

Tera sucks (<someone who plays SV)

[steel meadow]

Z-moves is by far the worst one what?

[quaint matrix]

I have no clue what Tera is apart from like

It's basically Protean but with an item

[clear lichen]

Dmax is definitely the most broken

[deft obsidian]

Z move suck indeed

[quaint matrix]

Is that wrong?

[clear lichen]

Shit was banned to AG

[fathom ridge]

Idk if I should talk about tera since I don’t play competitive

[clear lichen]

I think it might've been banned before Zacian

Though that I don't remember

[deft obsidian]

Tera change types

[clear lichen]

Tera doesn't need any special held item

[fathom ridge]

Giving a 50% hp boost and dinamax for 3 turns is so silly

[clear lichen]

Basically, at the start of every turn, you can chose to change types

[fathom ridge]

What if tera required a held item?

[quaint matrix]

Wait it's just Protean on demand?

[clear lichen]

This type can be any type in the game, except for Ogerpon where it can be from 4 types or Terapagos, which can only be Tera Fraud (Stellar)

So basically, at the start of every turn, you have to play mindgames

Tera changes your defensive type, gives you new offensive STAB, and doesn't remove previous STABs

Tera Stellar doesn't change defensive type and gives a 1 time 1.3× boost for every type

[fathom ridge]

Also all this talk about competitive reminded me of the Kyurem vote fraud

[deft obsidian]

I like mega, pokemon gets new design

[fathom ridge]

Mega is awesome

[clear lichen]

Tera Blast is a move that changes type and category based on your Tera Type and attack/SpA stats, but only when Terastalised

[quaint matrix]

So just Protean except you still gets STAB from the original typing?

Well prenerf Protean

[clear lichen]

When you are Tera Stellar, your Tera Blast is stronger, but lowers SpA and Attack

[full bison]

The Kyurem thing was such a gongshow

[fathom ridge]

I wonder what the gimmick of gen 10 will be

[clear lichen]

Stellar is a pure neutral type offensively

[full bison]

We literally had a guy who wanted it to stay banned vote for it to be unbanned as a joke

And his vote helped it get unbanned

[fathom ridge]

Isnt stellar kinda bad?

[full bison]

Only good on Enamorus and Serperior

[fathom ridge]

Kinda based ngl

[clear lichen]

Yes, only useful on Contrary mons and even then, Serperior usually runs other Tera types iirc

Ig it's also useful on Terapagos because it changes form and gives Tera Starstorm a big boost with 0 drawback

[deft obsidian]

Works like hidden power

[fathom ridge]

With hidden power removed, does that mean we won’t get unown again?

[deft obsidian]

I like how they removed HP it's big nerf for electric types

[full bison]

Whenever I think of Terapagos I just think about how Smogon actually thought it was fine for OU for some fucking reason

Like... what?

It got banned soon after, but come on

[fathom ridge]

Deoxys speed is fine for OU

[sullen elbow]

It'll be its signature move like in PLA

[fathom ridge]

I hope, unown is cool

[clear lichen]

It's about as absurd as allowing Tera Eleki except I think there was a vote to allow Eleki in the first place

Might be thinking about another fringe mon like uhhh

[fathom ridge]

Regieleki?

[clear lichen]

Lando-I or Spectrier

Which are both Ubers

[clear lichen]

Yup, but with Tera

When you give the Pokemon whose weakness is getting absolutely railed by Ground types a way to hit Ground with SE STAB, it doesn't end well

[deft obsidian]

It's funny how that ghost horse is broken and ice horse is nu

[wicked pier]

Mega Evolution was the best mechanic for a regular playthrough, and Tera has been the best mechanic for competitive.

[fathom ridge]

Defensive ice type am I right?

[full bison]

Tera is not good for competitive

[clear lichen]

I wouldn't call it defensive but I would call it slow and bulky

[wicked pier]

I'd still say it's the best in comparison to the other gimmicks in terms of balance.

[clear lichen]

I think that says more about other gimmicks than Tera tbh

[deft obsidian]

It's strong too, but walled easily by bulky water types and boost moves dosen't help because it's too slow.

[wicked pier]

That's fair.

[weak trellis]

the best gimmick is no gimmick amitrite

[clear lichen]

I do not hear people talk positively about any apart from Megas, which aren't very balanced either

[weak trellis]

marketing tools smh

[clear lichen]

cough cough Mega Salamence cough cough Mega Gengar cough cough Mega Rayquaza

Sorry, had a bit of a coughing fit there

[fathom ridge]

I wonder why game freak keeps making ice type (the type that’s supposed to be a glass cannon) defensive slow mons

[full bison]

Megas as an idea are interesting, the problem is that many individuals are completely absurd

Like Mega Mawile

[weak trellis]

because flavor first gameplay afterthought

and their "in summation" ice types are like avalugg and glaceon

[clear lichen]

Glaceon does not look like it'd be slow or bulky

It looks like it'd be fast and frail

[full bison]

Same with Frosmoth

[fathom ridge]

Glaceon has a high spatk

[full bison]

But Ice gonna Ice

[clear lichen]

Glaceon's bulk is similar to Magnezone's

Which is absolutely fucking ridiculous

[weak trellis]

glaceon's entire stat spread is similar to magnezone's now that you mention it

[fathom ridge]

Reminder that flareon had a higher attack stat than any fighting type until conkerdurr

[clear lichen]

Huh

That's true

Funny how much type and ability changes viability

[weak trellis]

going from the best overall type in the game to the worst in that role

[fathom ridge]

wtf you are right

[full bison]

Magnezone would barely exist without Magnet Pull

[clear lichen]

The slow bulky mon wants to have a better defensive type

The faster offensive mons want better offensive types

Who could've fucking guessed

I couldn't have

[deft obsidian]

Just like now, it's ru😔

[weak trellis]

gameplay and flavor clashing

[fathom ridge]

We live in a society

[clear lichen]

cough cough Kartana

[weak trellis]

and GF will always take flavor over gameplay

[wicked pier]

That's fair to be honest

Most people don't engage with Pokemon beyond a casual playthrough

[clear lichen]

Kartana takes one of the best types possible and uses it in the worst way possible

It doesn't even get Iron Head

[fathom ridge]

When you think of the numbers of casual vs competitive players, yeah it makes sense but tbf I don’t think casual players would mind if ice types had higher speed stats

[clear lichen]

It's stuck with mf Smart Strike

[full bison]

Kartana's type purely exists as a vehicle to keep it alive so it's Moxie can enable a sweep

[fathom ridge]

I mean it does make sense that kartana doesn’t learn iron head

[full bison]

it's a great mon, but that's because it hits so dang hard

[clear lichen]

If the paper it is made of is actually metal then it does have an iron head

[weak trellis]

yea since casual players can use EVs to give ice types a better speed stat

[deft obsidian]

Dosen't even have head
It's just paper

[wicked pier]

True, the decisions they've made when designing some Pokémon just don't make any sense at all.

[weak trellis]

(unless you're in Alola or BDSP then the AI does it too and back to neutral ground)

[clear lichen]

It has a definite head part

[fathom ridge]

Yeah but like I don’t imagine kartana head butting other mons to attack

[clear lichen]

Point is, it can

So it isn't completely outrageous

[full bison]

It makes no sense how we still don't have a Steel cutting move after all this time

[fathom ridge]

What’s it highest steel stab?

[deft obsidian]

Steel beam

[clear lichen]

That said idk if a headbutt from a Pokemon about as big as a Joltik and even lighter than one would hurt

[fathom ridge]

We don’t???

[clear lichen]

Special? Probably Steel Beam which is very strong with big drawback

Though uhh

Its special attack is ass

[full bison]

Nope

[fathom ridge]

And fisical?

[clear lichen]

Physical? Fucking Smart Strike with 70

[full bison]

We have an actual Steel sword and it can't use any Steel cutting move

[fathom ridge]

Is iron head 90 or 80?

[clear lichen]

We do technically have a steel slashing move

[fathom ridge]

Lmao

[deft obsidian]

90

[clear lichen]

But it's a fucking signature

[clear lichen]

80

[fathom ridge]

Well the it’s only 10 less bp

[deft obsidian]

I think that's iron tail

[clear lichen]

No Iron Tail is 100

You may have been confused by the mention of slashing moves

Since yknow, Steel is a very slash-y type, or so one would think

And one of the most well known slashing moves, Leaf Blade, has 90 BP

Though there are a lot with 70 BP

[fathom ridge]

How do we have leaf blade but not iron blade

[molten loom]

Game freak is too afraid of giving the mons a knife it seems

[fathom ridge]

They could call it “slashing steel” or something like that

[deft obsidian]

Meteor Mash is 90

[fathom ridge]

Also Isnt it kinda funny how the conversations in this channel always end up being about anything but the new mons sometimes

[west sonnet]

Oh sure

Bisharp can’t have knives

He’s MADE of them

[deft obsidian]

Zaician

[fathom ridge]

Aegislash is a knife

[molten loom]

Can you give a knife a knife?

[fathom ridge]

I don’t see why not

It has cloth hands

[deft obsidian]

Ageslash have hand to hold shield sure he can hold knife

[fathom ridge]

What if you gave a Pokémon a gun as a held item? What are the regulations for held items in the Pokémon world?

[full bison]

Remoraid is vaguely designed around guns, does that count?

[weak trellis]

give it a gun then also give it Fling

[west sonnet]

It was also censored explicitly because of that

[deft obsidian]

#sprite-gallery message

[paper merlin]

So like, does anyone know where Lurantis/Fomantis actually is?

[molten loom]

It's not in the wild

[paper merlin]

damn

[fathom ridge]

You can set it as a custom starter if that’s useful

[paper merlin]

unfortunately not, but whatever I guess

[molten loom]

Yes you can

[paper merlin]

No like

not useful

[molten loom]

Ah

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-james-team-rocket-pokemon-gif-25091008

[velvet root]

That reminds me

I wanted to sprite something

A Claydoll fusion I think

[full bison]

Claydol seems like it'd be fun to sprite for

Just the right mix of simple and elaborate

[velvet root]

I dont think so but its one of the mons I can imagine myself being wrong

First I finish the sprite I have in my Piskel and maybe I do something else after

[marble meadow]

inkay line is most likely or other mon who ranked hight at the poll

[full bison]

Mienshao and Salazzle are high rankers

Not sure how much the staff wanna deal with Salazzle nonsense tho

[outer matrix]

salazzle custom bases

[fathom ridge]

The highest rated mons without salazzle are vikavolt and excadrill, and they fit with the slots left soooo ||vikacope vikacope vikacope||

[full bison]

Excadrill would be fun but I'd prefer if it was around when the speed altering abilities got fixed

[fathom ridge]

#1295731408353886271 message apparently that will be fixed soon

[full bison]

that reminded me that we can't get Surge Surfer without it being given to a Pokemon that didn't get it

Just like Galvanize

[fathom ridge]

Is surge surfer only gen8+?

[full bison]

it's only on Alolan Raichu

So it's disqualified because no regional forms

[outer matrix]

Same thing with slush rush?

[fathom ridge]

Regional forms would be fun, I hope someday they will be added

[full bison]

Slush Rush was given to Beartic IIRC

[fathom ridge]

Would charjabug battery fusions be of any use realistically?

[full bison]

Considering Frog gave Hydreigon Hustle as a HA, I imagine the same would happen to Vikavolt with Battery

[fathom ridge]

Idk if that would be enough to make vikavolt viable

[full bison]

It's defense isn't the worst thing ever. It could probably be fused with a decent phys tank body to become a mix of bulky special attacker while providing passive support to allied pokemon

[weak trellis]

maybe if you had 2v2 or 3v3 in the settings but vika's decent enough already

since outside of like comp speed isn't the be-all end-all of a pokemon's viability

[fathom ridge]

Isn’t there a 3v3 in showdown?

[weak trellis]

I think 3v3 is an in-game setting too?

[full bison]

yup

Saw someone do a 3v3 playthrough a bit ago

[prime dust]

it tends to break tho

just as a heads up

[coral axle]

I’ve been using it fine

[prime dust]

some people have 0 issue with it, others can't get it to work for extended periods

[coral axle]

That’s strange

[prime dust]

welcome to the game

nothing makes sense

[coral axle]

Oof

[velvet root]

Thats the fun part

https://tenor.com/view/bill-cipher-weirdmaggedon-time-is-dead-gif-16542081185158834283

[bitter comet]

Weird Dorito spotted

[hot hamlet]

I’ve been bouncing something for a while and I want opinions.
Abandoning my beta run.
Not even for technical reasons btw. But between the new HoF that covers up sprites, the lack of customs among the new mons, and the fact that I’m playing on Classic the motivation really is not there to continue. Plus the game has been more thoroughly explored by many others already so the satisfaction of discovery is killed too.
Currently in mid-Silph Co, with only 4 badges. Want to know if I should even bother going on or just go back to theme runs.

[weak trellis]

apparently there's a display option in the PC that diaplys the HoF sprites more properly instead of in gen 4/5 style but yea I'm also waiting for full 7.0 before I jump into that version

[hot hamlet]

7.0???

[weak trellis]

at least I'm assuming the new version is going to be 7.0 and not a branch of 6.x

[green laurel]

its gonna be 6.3

[hot hamlet]

Neo gonna be sitting here until 2030

[dusty arrow]

dont you mean 2047

[hot hamlet]

Nah that’s when Ice Type Magikarp becomes canon

[green laurel]

i cant wait till 2077 and we get adam smasher as a pokemon

[hot hamlet]

I play that whenever I reach Fuchsia

So what do you guys think? Should I give up the beta run? Or see it through despite being utterly bored by it?
Reasons here #pif-hoenn-discussion message

[green laurel]

id abandon it

[hot hamlet]

K

The clothes are cool and all but the lack of motivation to continue is too big of a mood killer

[green laurel]

thats part of why i didnt get the beta
id rather wait for the release

[hot hamlet]

Maybe I’ll complete the beta run in spirit by doing a run with beta sprites… provided I find 6. I’ve used Garchomp before

[outer matrix]

Using beta references found in the 2020 or the recent 2024 leaks?

[hot hamlet]

Using Luxio’s beta sprites folder

I don’t believe half of that leak for a second for numerous reasons

Not the least being the artwork doesn’t look like Ken Sugimori’s style and he’s the lead artist on all concept art

[ornate tide]

Typhlosion vs Drifloom

Whar

Nvm

[hot hamlet]

Do. Not.
besides the stories have been getting debunked lately

[bleak summit]

Stories about what?

[hot hamlet]

Do not ask

[ornate tide]

No one is discussing about it ong

[gray vine]

well not debunked just more accurately translated

the story still happend the same just with tiny changes

[ornate tide]

So Drifloon is the winner then

[ornate tide]

NOOOOOO

[gray vine]

the girls age is now a teen and it was an invitation rather then forceful taking

[hot hamlet]

And some of them (Typhlosion) were revealed to have gaps filled in with AI translation.

The Cutting Room Floor is having a field day with translators

[ornate tide]

Typhlosion is a Minecraft youtuber

[gray vine]

the skaloth one tho is pretty much accurate, which makes sense that one fits old folklore like butter

it has a good lesson

[coral axle]

old folklore do be old

[ornate tide]

Drifloon literally just steals children tho

[hot hamlet]

Also I said DO NOT for a reason!

[gray vine]

the biggest mistranslation was the authors name. people just been calling out a person that doesnt even exist

[hot hamlet]

Put it this way, murder is one thing, but if you harm a minor, even other prisoners will get back at you

[coral axle]

calling out- sheesh

[ornate tide]

aren’t these just leaks tho

Never got put in a pokemon game

[hot hamlet]

Yes

[ornate tide]

But game freaky decided to allow drifloon to steal children

[coral axle]

yea so nothing to make a big stink over

[gray vine]

yes? but a persn still wrote em lul

[ornate tide]

And that’s in games

[hot hamlet]

And also some other stuff like the concept art not matching the concept artist’s style. And looking more like Digimon than Pokémon

[ornate tide]

It’s Japan

[gray vine]

people still get mad at that person for some reason

[ornate tide]

People have done WAY WORSE

[gray vine]

you dont gotta tell me lul i dont care

but its fun thinking how for days people just kept brining up a fictional person

[ornate tide]

They should be more mad at Drifloon ong society

[coral axle]

its unfortunately gonna be memed to death

[ornate tide]

That’s funnier ngl

[ornate tide]

Whar

[hot hamlet]

Yeah. Some of those concept arts are straight up faked or don’t match the style used by Ken Sugimori. And based on the mons in question, he was still the sole designer for the concept art back then

[gray vine]

[ornate tide]

Drifloon dislikes heavy children in its pokedex entry

Not canon

Debunked

[gray vine]

this just shows why it doesnt like em

[hot hamlet]

You calling Dawn fat?

[gray vine]

not debunked

yes

[ornate tide]

And Bald

[hot hamlet]

Nothing made me double take as hard as the Drifloon quest in PLA

[coral axle]

ikr

[drowsy drift]

not sure what you mean by this, those were real concept art

[hot hamlet]

Source #other-pokemon-games message

And thread!

[drowsy drift]

Okutani Jun did those gen3 designs, not sure what to tell you. he literally put his name on that unown statue one

https://www.mobygames.com/person/152369/jun-okutani/ he is also credited as a pokemon designed for gen 3 as well
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Staff_of_Pokémon_Emerald#Pokémon_Design

[hot hamlet]

I just linked to the creation process for how they design Pokémon. That is all

[steel meadow]

Reminder to goat

[bitter comet]

Smol ❤️

I just love Joltik body fusions

They are just always so small and silly

[outer matrix]

If the next reveal was either the excadrill-line or the salazzle-line, which one would you rather sprite?

[humble lance]

u know which one id rather sprote

[outer matrix]

I forgot that it has human-like hands

[hot hamlet]

Find a way to make it wholesome. I dare you

[quaint matrix]

Ain't no way she's gonna be wholesome

[molten loom]

I have faith that it can be wholesome

[hot hamlet]

Keyword detected. Amending challenge.
“Find a way to make it wholesome without referencing the Bibble fanart. I dare you”

[molten loom]

The what fanart?

[full bison]

This is certainly an interesting conversation to walk into

[quaint matrix]

This?

[hot hamlet]

Yeah that’s the one

Was based off a misspelled Tweet about the Bible. And someone made that as a means of “Don’t lewd the lizard”

[humble lance]

alright one salazzle/wooper fusion coming right up

[quaint matrix]

Why stop there

Salazzle/Quagsire

[hot hamlet]

Salasire, or Quagzle?

[quaint matrix]

por que no los dos?

[hot hamlet]

Woozle? Or Salaper?

[humble lance]

slaper

[hot hamlet]

Nah that’s Slaking/Wooper

[outer matrix]

You get to make it instead and not me

[hot hamlet]

Don’t think you’re free. Your task is to make a Cursed Salazzle. Just make sure it’s SFW enough to pass mod scrutiny, but I want something that can stand alongside these greats

[full bison]

Just mix it with Pinsir, simple as

[outer matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/reverse-card-uno-uno-cards-gif-13032597

[hot hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/uno-reverse-card-gif-24856155

https://tenor.com/view/no-take-backs-shake-finger-nope-no-gif-13885746

[outer matrix]

How can I even make something cursed with a lizard that || evokes har e m vibes ||

[full bison]

cult?

[outer matrix]

It's only official if a sprite request gets sent to me

[hot hamlet]

Have you considered the sacred works of David Croenenburg

Or however you spell that name?

[hot hamlet]

How you supposed to request a mon with an open invite to the second half?

[humble lance]

too lazy to do the other eye but w/e

smol

[hot hamlet]

Emo babbu

[hot hamlet]

Add a line to make it into hair over the other eye

That way you have an excuse

[bold latch]

we can haz Braviary ?

[outer matrix]

who knows

[round light]

We NEED Exploud

Y'all can't argue with this version of Exploud

This one is genuinely cool

[white meadow]

LURANTIS

YES MY POOKIE

YESYESYSUSSYESYSESSSSSSSS

FINALLY

[hot hamlet]

On its way. Just be patient a little longer

[white meadow]

Beta is here

Im not gonna wait im rushing

[hot hamlet]

Frog didn't program in wild Fomantis yet. Have to custom starter it

Or debug

Or Black Market

[hasty arch]

i agree

[ripe wigeon]

||Why would a well-structured and highly disciplined organization like Team Rocket be defeated by a teenager from Pallet Town? ||

||Pokemon League didn’t even realize there was something wrong with the Viridian City Gym Leader, while Team Rocket guard remembers where a basic member's job should be. ||

[clever snow]

Ludicolo is one of my favorite pokemon :)
Glad to see him added

[spare shore]

MINIORR

[flint tiger]

is there a written list of the new pokemon that are being added?

[full bison]

they're all visible from the #announcements channel

[prime dust]

or barring that

just check the pokedex on the wiki

?tag pokedex

[opal trail]

All Gen1-2 Pokémon are in the game, and the Pokémon that are included from Gen3+ (aswell as their location and Pokédex number) can be found here:

https://infinitefusion.fandom.com/wiki/Pokédex

[prime dust]

while there are still 5 mons that are ?

[flint tiger]

like just a full list, but ig I’ll check that pokedex site

[prime dust]

everything else from 471 onward we know

[full bison]

Those will be revealed soon

[flint tiger]

Something like this, but for the new pokemon that are being added

[full bison]

Exactly when, nobody knows, but it's usually been a reveal a week

[flint tiger]

because that’s the list for the new pokemon that were added previously

[prime dust]

not as of yet

but i can throw one together right quick

471. Jangmo-o
472. Hakamo-o
473. Kommo-o
474. Wimpod
475. Golispod
476. Formantis
477. Lurantis
478. Carbink
479. Chespin
480. Quilladin
481. Chesnaught
482. Fennekin
483. Braixen
484. Delphox
485. Froakie
486. Frogadier
487. Greninja
488. Torkoal
489. Pumpkaboo
490. Gourgeist
491. Swirlix
492. Slurpuff
493. Scraggy
494. Scrafty
495. Lotad
496. Lombre
497. Ludicolo
498. Minior - Meteor Form
499. Minior - Core Form
500. Diancie
501. Luvdisc

[flint tiger]

gotta start planning on the fusions to use for next run

[full bison]

I still can't get over how a third of the added mons are going to be Grass types

[flint tiger]

and hopefully, my first team for this updated version is gonna be what I intended it to be

It’ll hopefully be three fusions of new/new, and three fusions of new/old

Confusing? Hypothetically, the team would be: Gourgeist/Lotad, Braxien/Chesnaught, Golisopod/Carbink, Donphan/Quilladin, Froakie/Jolteon, Dragonite/Formantis

[prime dust]

enjoy needing 3 everstones

actually 4

[flint tiger]

I said hypothetically

[prime dust]

no wait

5

[flint tiger]

I just said random pokemon

[ornate tide]

Dragonite formantis crazy work

[quartz marlin]

Still waiting for a fast water type that actually provides the water type when it's the body of a fusion. Somehow this game still doesn't even have one of those.

I.E.: Add floatzel.

[flint tiger]

again, completely random

[glossy jewel]

📌

[prime dust]

hopefully i'll be able to edit that

cause i know sometimes things in the discord can get weird

[glossy jewel]

can always replace it

[prime dust]

fair enough

[stoic canopy]

Huh…alright so we either have 2 two stage evos and 1 lone Pokemon or we have 1 two stage and a three stage.

[prime dust]

yep

there's some other stuff we could throw into the ring, like a pair of mons tied together and 3 single legends

two 2 stage mons, and a single

etc. etc.

[stoic canopy]

Hmm, I think we’re running out of 3 legendary sets we can add. There’s the letters(kinda? Zygarde forms count as separately or not?) the genies, the lakes…I can’t think of anything else, have we ran out of tiros?

[prime dust]

genies take 6 slots

and zygarde would count as 3 slots

dog form, normal zygard, 100% zygarde

[coral axle]

I have lots of options for two slots

[prime dust]

ok, what are you confused by

i'll try to explain my logic

[unique flame]

cold take
salazle and vikavolt

[prime dust]

most of the 2 slots are either due to interesting designs or abilities

except foongus...that is just for a dumb joke

[unique flame]

yeah we dont have amongus

the best vgc unova mon for some reason

[radiant briar]

https://tenor.com/view/sepheal-picmix-pokemon-so-cute-gif-8764495415028478920

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/tess-spheal-gif-22641311

[ember bear]

wouldn't shaymin be 2 slots because of the form

[prime dust]

technically yes, but i slotted it in 1 since that is how it is shown

[ember bear]

ig

[prime dust]

zygarde falls into the same issue

which is why i moved him to honorable

[stoic canopy]

I’ll toss seedot into that because I may as well be consistent.

[prime dust]

honestly should have moved shaymin at the same time

but forgor

hang on will fix

there we go, corrected for form variations

i still fully expect to see at least 1 chia pet sprite for shaymin, either as a base alt or a fusion sprite

1. design is interesting
2. ability nonsense
3. i like the mon
4. a joke

^how i ranked stuff

the funny bit is foonus/amoongus is the only joke

[coral axle]

I love shaymin I want it for sprites

[wide merlin]

why no for finneon and lumineon ?

[prime dust]

don't see the appeal

fish wise we are pretty good with what we already have

they don't bring anything new to the table really

[coral axle]

I love them

I’d love to see fusions with them

[stoic canopy]

Yea, I really don’t care for fish Pokémon. I feel like it’s hit a wall, like in general, not just PIF.

I’d definitely take more water bugs though. Feel like that’s an untapped area.

[full bison]

Fish Pokemon peaked at Wishiwashi

there's plenty of interesting fish to make into Pokemon still, but it has to be spectacular stuff like Sawfish or Marlons

[sinful smelt]

And yet we get some random monotype fishy thingies with no distinct features lol

[full bison]

Barraskewda's not terrible in terms of fish Pokemon. the propeller tail really carries the design though, and without it it'd be extremely forgettable

[west sonnet]

I feel like Gen 9 did well keeping the fish designs interesting and fresh

I think we can agree that Dondozo is a special baby

[deft obsidian]

But phione and manaphy are cute, +tail glow

Manaphy feels so unique. You know is not "another small psychic type" mythical

[stoic canopy]

I feel like dondozo is the exception that proves the rule.

[west sonnet]

Idk I liked Veluza

[dire beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-mmmm-monkey-turtle-kung-fu-panda-gif-17129341

[dire beacon]

zygarde with his 10% form and perfect mode, right?

[full bison]

Dondozo is what Whiscash should've been

[stoic canopy]

Oh 100%, whiscash theming feels vague compared to dondozo

[full bison]

My big issue with Whiscash is that it leans too far into goofy territory when catfish themselves are both a little goofy and imposing, a balance that Dondozo managed to strike perfectly

[stoic canopy]

Mhmm, feels like they said “cat fish has whiskers” and just left it at that.

[ember bear]

it's still a mythical with all 100 base stats tho

not really unique

[steel meadow]

holy shit thats a long text

it went away

[fathom ridge]

I read it a little and there wasn’t anything that broke the rules of the server idk why it was removed

[steel meadow]

maybe the person realised they typed a lil too much for the funny pokemon server side channel

[fathom ridge]

Maybe it was all a figment of our imagination

[steel meadow]

[stoic canopy]

I never saw it at all

(Have fun figuring out if I’m messing with you guys or if I genuinely missed it)

[fathom ridge]

I mean it wasn’t there for long so I wouldn’t question you if you said you didn’t see it

[full bison]

I clicked away for a few seconds and apparently I missed something interesting

[ember bear]

same

well not really seconds but eh

[prime dust]

ye

[trail hull]

what was the text wall

[toxic flame]

How many new Pokémon will be announced still? Till 500?

[wide merlin]

for the 500 , we have 5 missing pokemon

[outer matrix]

This weekend's reveal is likely 493 & 494, unless one of them is a single stage

[hard tinsel]

I hope it's minior

[hollow creek]

oh i just realized

there will definitely be one 2 stage and one 3 stage

right?

[hard tinsel]

most likely yeah

[hollow creek]

unless the last 3 slots are 1 single and one 2 stage

Im really hoping for eelektross this time around

[fathom ridge]

I hope it not Minior, bc one single stage would mean we can’t get a three stage (vikavolt) unless we get two single stages which is unlikely ||Minior is awesome tho||

[hollow creek]

Did we get 100% confirmation minior would be 1 slot

[outer matrix]

Minior ** and ** tropius

[fathom ridge]

Wait that’s true

[hollow creek]

I feel like it would be simpler to have minior be 1 slot, its like aegilsash with its 2 forms

better with just 1

[hard tinsel]

minior would need to take two seperate dex slots since the forms have very different base stats

[fathom ridge]

Hmm the question of how many slots will Minior take is interesting, bc most sprites use elements from both forms

[outer matrix]

Unless something similar to gourgeist happens where the different form's stats don't take up multiple slots

[fathom ridge]

The determining factor for which form is it could just be the eyes tho

[hard tinsel]

oh i guess that's true

[outer matrix]

Some minior fusions do use elements of both meteor and core form combined

[fathom ridge]

Almost all I’ve seen

[hollow creek]

The thing with minior is that the two forms are similar enough where i could understand having just one but also different enough to where they could use 2 slots, its really on the border

[fathom ridge]

Yeah it’s up to the frogman in the end

[outer matrix]

We need to revive the minior team thread

giving a little push to the meteor

[fathom ridge]

I want to do minior/magnezone if it gets added but maybe I’ll do it regardless if I’m bored idk

[hollow creek]

I feel like toxicroak is likely too

[fathom ridge]

Toxicroac would be awesome

[hollow creek]

Idk why i said likely too that thought just randomly appeared in my head

[fathom ridge]

Likely is a word in the English language so that’s already better than most of my messages lol

[hollow creek]

Im holding out for dragalge and eelektross, thats the dream scenario. Malamar, claydol, excadrill, vikavolt and vanilluxe are high hopes too

[fathom ridge]

Dragalge is unlikely bc it would be another dragon type (it would be better than kommo o imo but still)

Excadrill and vikavolt got high on the last vote so I’m hoping they will get in next year?

[hollow creek]

draglage would be amazing for IF, it would be a unique poison type but so would toxicroak

[coral axle]

I love both options

[hollow creek]

Same

[fathom ridge]

Two amazing poison types

[hollow creek]

Seviper would also be amazing with zangoo

[hard tinsel]

whatever it is they can't disappoint me anymore
(bruxish has already been added)

[fathom ridge]

I wish I was in the server when bruxish got in, the chaos must have been on another level

What would be the worst possible addition?

[hollow creek]

phione and manaphy

[hard tinsel]

probably unpopular opinion but any of the pika clones for me