pif-hoenn-discussion

[fathom ridge]

Oh this is so handy :0

[velvet root]

I plan on a cute Skiddo sprite if you want to do something adorable

[gilded pagoda]

I should come vibe there. I didn't know of its existence.

[glass patio]

sure why not

[velvet root]

Hardest part is to get the horns right imo

I do the body of the first one with the head of the second (I also do the second)

[glass patio]

i currently want to do minior/eeveelutions

[fathom ridge]

What tool is that

[velvet root]

Idk Mildnight made them

[fathom ridge]

Oh bruh

[velvet root]

I also do that Gogoat

[glass patio]

and thought of a really simple idea for diglett/minior but ig i’ll do that later

[velvet root]

and this body with that head

[glass patio]

He has posted a bunch in #1136676184265076818

[fathom ridge]

Interesting

[velvet root]

I would swap the bee with Goat the rest is actually really cool

Even more cuz

[fathom ridge]

People sleep on Claydol so hard ngl

[velvet root]

I see it ending really sick same with the Skunks

[inland jewel]

this is skewed for more other gen representation

[glass patio]

btw i would’ve done some goat shedinja but the first one is really good and the second one is absolute peak

[inland jewel]

since this update alone we're getting 6 gen 6 lines

[glass patio]

maybe skiddo?

[inland jewel]

and 0 gen 4 and gen 5

[velvet root]

Preevos exist

[fathom ridge]

Sadly, I cannot approve this list, as it doesn’t contain vikavolt 😔

[glass patio]

yeah i said maybe skiddo

[velvet root]

but the Peak one deserves a newer base

[inland jewel]

considering gen 7 is getting 3 lines already this update. I'm wanting to show the other gens more love

since Gens 3 is gettin 1 line, an gens 4 and 5 are getting 0

[fathom ridge]

I wonder how made the first one

[velvet root]

for the skiddo

[velvet root]

Surely a weirdo who got obsessed with Goats over a Year

https://tenor.com/view/helluva-helluva-boss-blitzo-blitz-imp-gif-16475767470550105676

[glass patio]

I wish I could talk to them

[fathom ridge]

Valid point, but, consider this: vikavolt

[glass patio]

gen 7 just has some really good pokemon

This is not just because of minior btw

[velvet root]

Gotta say
I imagined Minior/Gogoat as REALLY cool
But I fear if Minior gets splitt forms or not

[inland jewel]

yee if it wasn't skewed i'd def add Crabominable

since we can still use more ice types

and more fighting types

[glass patio]

I want to make my future miniors more focused in one form while still keeping elements from the other one

Just in case it ends up being two slots

[fathom ridge]

Gen 7 is criminaly underrepresented too, I think it’s even more unrepresented than gen 5 by percentage which is crazy considering how many gen 5 mons there are

[glass patio]

But tbh hopefully it’s just one slot because fusions with both forms are just really good

[fathom ridge]

If Minior ended up being two slots I think I just wouldn’t care and then decide last minute what form the sprite should be

[full bison]

I agree that Gen 7 is one of the best regions in terms of added Pokemon, and not just for the reasons people would expect of me to say

[fathom ridge]

Alien wasp

[inland jewel]

Yee, Gen 7 is up there with Gen 5 and 4 for my most replayed games

[twin phoenix]

Ah, gen 7.. where I spent most of my time spinning on a Tauros in a tiny fence just to hatch eggs.

Night time themes were great.

[glass patio]

ok hear me out
black in the eyes=meteor
swirly eyes=core

[fathom ridge]

Hold up you are cooking

[full bison]

In terms of Pokemon, my favorite regions probably go Gen 4 >Gen 5 >Gen 7 >Gen 9 >Gen 3 >Gen 6 >Gen 8 >Gen 1 >Gen 2

[fathom ridge]

Ah, then just change the head so easy 2 sprites for the price of one

[glass patio]

i mean based on my logic yeah but i wouldn’t do that tho

I mean

Kinda

[fathom ridge]

Interesting ranking although why is gen 1 higher than gen 2?

[glass patio]

Not having the sprites mostly the same tho

[inland jewel]

In the update a year prior: (Including the mini update)
Gen 3: 8
Gen 4: 1
Gen 5: 3
Gen 6: 6
Gen 7: 8

[full bison]

Cause Gen 2 has so many Pokemon that are just... there

[fathom ridge]

It would be cool if you swapped the parts that are stone and star

[fathom ridge]

Hmm maybe you are right

[inland jewel]

so since the pokedex expansion we're getting

Gen 3: 9
Gen 4: 1
Gen 5: 3
Gen 6: 12
Gen 7: 11

with 8 slots remaining

[full bison]

most of Gen 2's memorable mons are evolutions of Gen 1 or Pokemon that are only good after Gens 4 and 9 gave them evos

[fathom ridge]

What’s the Pokédex expansion? Was there a hard limit before?

[full bison]

There's exceptions like Skarmory, but still

[inland jewel]

Yep, until last year the Hard limit was 420

Until someone took the time to optimize the fusion system and showed it to Frogman

[fathom ridge]

Okay that’s actually true lmao, honchkrow, mismagius, and others…

[inland jewel]

Frogman liked the work and thus worked/helped to implment it, giving us the room for more pokemon

[glass patio]

idk just make it one slot

[inland jewel]

Before that, Frogman has denied adding pokemon for 4 years

[fathom ridge]

So now there are infinite potential Pokémons?

That explains why there are messages saying that the game was at is limit of new Pokémons

[full bison]

Honestly my brain considers Misdreavus,Sneasel, Swinub and Gligar to be Gen 4 Pokemon cause they're basically nonexistent till then

[inland jewel]

Yep, we know the hard limit for pokedex slots (which we have 470 taken up right now) is somewhere in the 176000

since thats the amount of fusions that were hard-coded

[fathom ridge]

Also how did the server react to “now we can get more Pokémon”

[inland jewel]

naturally they went into a frenzy

and when the reveals were happenimng there was a war whenever a mon wasn't in

people were so nasty

[tender plank]

i would've killed to see that in action

[glass patio]

[inland jewel]

literal death threats

[fathom ridge]

Haha classic internet

[glass patio]

oh wait nvm

[full bison]

So basically it became Smash Bros character reveal discussions

[inland jewel]

yee

[fathom ridge]

I would die in the name of vikavolt

[glass patio]

yeah what i sent is absolutely not what happened

[inland jewel]

i mean. you can still see how people were eager to react

just go to the very first message in this chat

since this is just revived archived chat from last year

[fathom ridge]

let’s see the toxicity

[inland jewel]

but yeah, Gen 4 is sleeping

1 line added after 6 years

[tender plank]

literally just cresselia (and froslass)

that is just kinda sad

[inland jewel]

and Cresselia wouldn't have been added if Mods didn't add them

[deft obsidian]

I mean we already have so many gen 4 bangers

[full bison]

Cresselia was almost Minior IIRC but there were coding issues

[fathom ridge]

Out of gen 4 idk what Pokémon I would add, my favorites are already in, toxicroac is dope so that one probably

[deft obsidian]

Garchomp weavile magnezone magmortar darkrai electivire rhyperior tangrowth gliscor

[gilded pagoda]

Definitely would like toxicroak

[glass patio]

yes it was

[deft obsidian]

But I mostly want staraptor.

[fathom ridge]

You like magnezone? I didn’t notice

[full bison]

Toxicroak is straightforwardly a cool adition, as is Drapion, and I think Vespiquen could lead to some clever fusions too

[gilded pagoda]

I like croak for more fighting rep

[inland jewel]

Gen 4 mons I want in:
Vespiquen
Skuntank
Toxicroak
Gastrodon
Purugly
Bronzong
Drapion
Lumineon

[gilded pagoda]

as well as design

[fathom ridge]

Magnezone really completed the magneton line, probably my favorite gen 4 Mon (he is also a policeman in his spare time)

[full bison]

Bronzong would have such amazing head fusions

[inland jewel]

Bronzong giving steel types Heatproof

[fathom ridge]

Oh vespiqueen would be awesome

[deft obsidian]

True, even in game magnezone cries sounds like police siren

[full bison]

Honestly the only Gen 4 Pokemon I wouldn't want added is Wormadam

And I guess Phione too but it's a package deal with Manaphy so

[inland jewel]

Bug type also hasn't had a new addition in forever. Sure we're getting Golisopod this time but more bug types would go hard

[gilded pagoda]

Plus gen 5 rep

crustle now

[full bison]

So many good Bugs to be added

Buzzwole, Pheromosa, Vikavolt, Accelgor, Escavalier, Durant, Kricketune would be good for visual fusions even if it's statistically bad...

[inland jewel]

Bug types I want to see
Vespiquen
Durant
Crustle
Escavalier
Leavanny
Vikavolt

[deft obsidian]

Hell yeah Leavanny

[full bison]

Some of my biggest wishes are for Pokemon that add something either mechanically unique or adds the potential for something visually unique.

Technically, Pokemon like Abomasnow for easy Hail or Mienshao for being a frail Regenerator mon

Visually, stuff like the unsettling potential of Nihilego, the biology twisting Naganadel, or the potential of Musharna to give us a peek into Pokemon's dreams

[gilded pagoda]

Crustle fits a similar niche to Palossand imo

Can make a pokemon themed block

[full bison]

Right away, Musharna's dream thing gives me tons of ideas. Musharna/Bagon dreaming of flying, Musharna/Clefairy dreaming of being the mascot like it was originally going to be, etc

[inland jewel]

i know musharna dream would be neat, but sadly its got lower priority now since Torkoal is in the same niche now with its smoke clouds

[simple gulch]

dreaming of becoming pikachu

[velvet root]

Meloetta dreaming of becoming Ado

I found that guy again lol

[unkempt kernel]

I would have done miku but there’s another miku sprites with Melo

[fathom ridge]

Oh pistachio! I hate pistachio

[unkempt kernel]

Looks like mint chocolate to me

[velvet root]

Yeah Ado came to mind cuz I found out about her and like her music XD

[unkempt kernel]

The green is a bit darker but that’s what I see

[fathom ridge]

Wait actually you are right

[velvet root]

and it has a Oreo

[fathom ridge]

The goat ice cream has been spared

[unkempt kernel]

Ado started with vocaloid iirc, wasn’t a big fan of her stuff tho, then again I only listens to Uwaseawa or however it’s spelt (lost interest once I found out she did music for OP Film red)

[unkempt kernel]

Pog

[velvet root]

I like to see something Japanese (?) that isnt all cute and nice

[unkempt kernel]

Fair

BABYMETAL is kinda like that

[lucid sphinx]

is jangmo-o in the game

[fathom ridge]

It will be added next update

[unkempt kernel]

^

[lucid sphinx]

ohhhhhhhh

i saw the announcement and thought that was in ok

[coarse karma]

Yippee! I finally have internet again after a week without, now I can upload fusions again :) Time to make some torkoal and some pumpkaboo :D

[lucid sphinx]

ok then can some name a pokemon rq

[fathom ridge]

Vikavolt

[lucid sphinx]

ok thx

[fathom ridge]

Vikavolt isn’t in the game tho, I just said a random Mon

[lucid sphinx]

lmao my bad i need a pokemon that is in the game sry

[fathom ridge]

Bisharp then!

[lucid sphinx]

sick thx

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-malamar-anime-laugh-gif-9694741

[hollow creek]

It is malamar's turn

[hot hamlet]

Malamar and Slurpuff better make a Malomar

[acoustic crow]

Yall think we will ever see ludicolo in the game I love him so much

[bitter comet]

last night I had a dream that Frog announce that all Pokémon ever made were gonna be added into the game but he had to shut down Pokémon infinite fusion for like five or four years so he could add them all in

[gray vine]

i mean maybe, you can wear his hat ingame so

[fathom flax]

If we do, I am immedately fusing him with Politoed to give him Drizzle... He deserves it!

[acoustic crow]

@unkempt kernel facts

[acoustic crow]

I hope

[outer matrix]

has anyone noticed that the last few reveals were all popular Pokémon?

[hollow plume]

I just want my good boys

[coral axle]

MIGHTYENA WITH HAT

WHERE IS THAT FROM

[hot hamlet]

Jirachi Wishmaker. The… 8th? movie

It was either 8 or 6 I forget

So for my prediction, we’ll have 2 more 3 stage mobs, followed by either a non-evo mon, or a legend

That would give us 493-5, 496-9, and 500

[twin phoenix]

Jirachi is 6. Deoxys is 7. Lucario is 8.
..I think that was how it went. I remember getting the DVDs.

Ah, Butler and Diane. They were subtly referenced as trainers in gen 4, ya know. They also have Dusclops (?) and Salamence.

The translators didn't get the memo and named them completely differently. I believe the girl with Metagross from Destiny Deoxys was referenced as well.

[hot hamlet]

Destiny Deoxys didn’t have a girl irrc. That main tagalong for that was a young boy suffering from Pokephobia

[twin phoenix]

Maybe I shouldn't have said girl. There was a woman with Metagross and Brock flirted with her a bit.

Rebecca! She had glasses.

[hot hamlet]

Guess I have to break out my old dvd because I barely remember the side cast except… Toby I want to say? Started with a T

[twin phoenix]

Tory, the boy who befriended the green Deoxys in meteorite form.

[hot hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-movie-funny-pikachu-torkoal-kootasu-gif-27382448

The kid next to Ash here

And he also befriended a Plustle and Minun and a Munchlax.
Who was the Gen 4 rep for that film

[twin phoenix]

There was a Munchlax? I thought the rep was Lucario in the film after.

[hot hamlet]

Man, remember when the movies would add an unannounced Pokémon as ads for the next gens?

[hot hamlet]

No there was a Munchlax in DD

[twin phoenix]

My bad, I interpreted "who was" as a question.

[hot hamlet]

Ah, no I was saying Munch was the rep

You ask me the Battle Frontier movies were weird and sorta subpar compared to what came before and after, but damn were they fun as hell to watch as a kid!

[twin phoenix]

Yeah, the magic wore off of me after Prince of the Sea.

They were indeed very entertaining.

[hot hamlet]

Magic wore off around Zorua for me. Keldeo was kinda there, but I started noticing the flaws

[molten loom]

Brock "flirting" with a woman? That does not help narrow it down

[twin phoenix]

https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Rebecca_(M07)

This lady. Her. She is her.

[hot hamlet]

Wait I just remembered a trainer with a Metagross in the scene where Ash is having trouble with the automatic walkway

[twin phoenix]

She shares her name with one of my favorite Pokémon game composers.

Her Metagross was the first Metagross I've seen in the anime.

[dusty arrow]

mfw wron gchannel

[outer matrix]

what if ribombee got in next

[dusty arrow]

only one more of my pokemon need to evolve

yippee

[simple gulch]

skinny leg hell

[twin phoenix]

I'll be happy as hell.

Skinny legs are like Meloetta arms.

[simple gulch]

i dont see any scarf in the prompt

[outer matrix]

but

[simple gulch]

it even skinner than melo, just black line lol

[simple gulch]

very skinny

i just dislike the leg tbh

the mon is fine :3

[outer matrix]

but the legs being thin makes it easier to draw them

[gentle jetty]

when is froakie getting added?

[full bison]

When the update drops

[coral axle]

Tha sillies

[hot hamlet]

But just imagine the Popeye arms you could Machoke onto it

[coral axle]

Buzzwole ribombee fusion

[outer matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/popeye-spinach-hungry-gif-15801631

[hot hamlet]

Probably more accurate to use this shot of his arms

https://tenor.com/view/popeye-powerful-mighty-huge-strong-gif-17023968

[simple gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/here-we-go-again-ohmy-god-fly-judge-judy-fly-swatter-gif-8886408365519714493

[hot hamlet]

Me bothering NTM

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-angry-splat-fight-snail-gif-7878851

[simple gulch]

i want pant

[hot hamlet]

Basically saying I’m bothering someone with actual skills and their response

[hot hamlet]

Ow

[outer matrix]

Not dugtrio/stakataka why are you eating it

[simple gulch]

delicious silicate

[outer matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/stakataka-gif-2755355121120415411

[alpine rune]

Damn, I got [attack lowered by one stage]

[simple gulch]

intimidated

[hot hamlet]

Look, if a mosquito flexed on me, I’d be pretty intimidated

And self conscious

[simple gulch]

buzzswole be like

[outer matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-buzzwole-ultra-beast-sun-and-moon-ultra-sun-gif-7789730691303769095

[hot hamlet]

I feel inadequate

[simple gulch]

i don’t like its eye

[hot hamlet]

Robotnik ass glasses for eyes

[full bison]

Fun fact: those black bumps on Buzzwole's face are just what connects the antennae to the head and not actually eyes

[outer matrix]

Buzzwole/Chansey

[full bison]

Its actual eyes are the big redness making up most of its head

UB Biology

[simple gulch]

it can’t stop me from seeing it as goodfy ah eyes

[hot hamlet]

So it’s Mysterio?

[full bison]

Mosquito heads are just like that.

[simple gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/give-blood-mozzie-bug-3d-gifs-artist-mosquito-gif-22137743

[simple gulch]

but the red r juice

[outer matrix]

burn it

[simple gulch]

so it filled ita eye with blood?

[full bison]

The UBs actually mimic their real life counterparts a fair bit. Pheromosa's fastidiousness is accurate to how roaches actually behave

[outer matrix]

Buzzwole might also reference the style of superhero comics due to the heavy black shading/pattern it has near the edges

[hot hamlet]

God. Buzzwole is a 90’s comic character?

[worldly sail]

is buzzwole the thing which sucked snorlax?

I only like it because it's bug type

[hot hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/buzzwole-mouscoto-massivoon-ronflex-snorlax-gif-19838216

[full bison]

I'm convinced they made that scene cause they didn't want Buzzwole to be the only UB without any unsettling elements

Freaking Cell moment

[worldly sail]

lol

[cobalt temple]

im convinced buzzwole vaporized the bones and sucked it as well

[hot hamlet]

Nah. Snorlax a big balloon

[worldly sail]

meanwhile bewear casually going toe to toe with that red cell

[twin phoenix]

Snorlax.. 😱

[unkempt kernel]

?

Why did you ping me?

[inland jewel]

genlte reminder we need more gen 4 love

That being said. With Torkoal in, I'd love to see the other weather setters get in too

[full bison]

How about we add Abomasnow so we get both?

[inland jewel]

so the 8 slots be
Hippowdown, Abombasnow, Pelliper, and a 2 slot leftover

in that case another gen 4 2-line mon

Hippowdon gets added due to the Moo Deng hype

[full bison]

moo deng singlehandedly making half the population forget that hippos are nightmare fuel

[clear lichen]

Holy weather

The weather reporters are gonna be so mad at this

[full bison]

Maybe then Chlorophyll, Swift Swim, and Sand Rush would finally get fixed

[coral axle]

Hippos are terrifying

[fathom ridge]

Hippos kill more people annually than lions iirc

[weak trellis]

lions and sharks be very low on the human kill list

though sharks are another can of worms that can be entirely traced directly to steven spielberg

[fathom ridge]

Sharks are very chill, I bet they feel very embarrassed when they confuse a surfer with a seal

[velvet root]

Same sooo relatable

[stoic canopy]

I too confuse aquatic life for human beings, thankfully I’m getting better at telling the difference now. Only fish inside my basement this time!

[elfin goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/espurr-pokemon-epsurr-walk-gif-27316687

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-spheal-imma-head-out-peace-out-roll-gif-23635077

these two are my top picks

all the others can be who ever yall want

[hollow creek]

I can see spheal being added the most out of any of the ice types just cause its the most popular amongst casual players

though a decent amount of spriters like it too

[empty pendant]

this'd be cool tho I'd rather have ribombee over another gen 4 for the last duo

[hollow creek]

Malamrar, Eelektross, Dragalge and MAYBE just maybe turtonator

relicanth is more realistic as a single slot or tropisus but man turtonator

[spiral musk]

sawsbuck I'm still hoping 😔

[hollow creek]

Susbuck would definitely be fun

[fathom ridge]

I feel like relicanth would be a bit weird after two submarine reveals

[spiral musk]

too much water

tho relicanth could be fun

[hollow creek]

True

I would also like comfey but im a loud minority of comfey fans

victini as the 500th pokemon would be nice but I doubt it

[gilded pagoda]

Comfey my beloved

[fathom ridge]

Comfey would make for pretty heads, but it is not up there for me

[sullen elbow]

Minior /cope

[outer matrix]

Klefki 2.0 if comfey was added

[fathom ridge]

I heard that Minior almost got in instead of creselia so not really cope

[sullen elbow]

Oh wait it could be two slots tecnically

[hollow creek]

The thing with minior is that I feel like a lot of people would try too hard to make SFX reliant sprites

[fathom ridge]

I think it would be one? Idk frog decides how it works

[hollow creek]

Still a nice choice

[spiral musk]

cresselia was a staff vote apparently

[hollow creek]

The way frog describes the process of adding mythicals makes me think one this reveal cycle is unlikely

[spiral musk]

not a big fan of minior for spriting personally
victini would be goated but 0 chance it gets in 😔

[outer matrix]

Watch as a minior meteor form sprite has sfx in it and then it disappears when the sprite & form shifts to the core form

[full bison]

Victini has a higher chance of getting in than you think. It's a big milestone celebration over 500K followers, adding Pokemon till 500 slots are full. #500 would be the perfect slot for a Mythical, especially Victini

[spiral musk]

yeah but it's more likely that it would be Diancie or Shaymin imo

wish that apple bunny would get in 😔

[full bison]

Now I wanna draw that as a Victini/Pyukumuku fusion.

It lines up super well

[spiral musk]

@simple gulch if victini gets in you better do a machoke or machamp fusion with it apl man

[glass patio]

hello chat

https://tenor.com/view/minior-minior-pokemon-pokemon-i-only-stand-for-one-flag-minior-nation-gif-23996712

[outer matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/minior-pokemon-pokémon-shields-down-super-meteor-650-gif-13438644593076750957

[glass patio]

https://tenor.com/view/my-beloved-pokemon-cards-minior-gif-14976180901120106529

[spiral musk]

https://tenor.com/view/victini-pokemon-zye-gif-20703528

[outer matrix]

but what if minior can't be added bc some of them disintegrated before a reveal could happen

[spiral musk]

rip minior

[tender plank]

you will be forever miss

[glass patio]

https://tenor.com/view/minior-pokemon-gif-25755174

I am so happy to announce that Minior will be joining Infinite Fusion! Its dex number will be- oh it disintegrated nvm

[velvet root]

Would be so funny
And after it dissapeard we get something else

[spiral musk]

we get a completely unrelated pokemon

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-infinity-gauntlet-snap-finger-snap-gif-12502580

[spiral musk]

we're getting basculin instead

[glass patio]

if that actually happens tho i give up

[outer matrix]

"What's this---our miniors have disintegrated!
Well, uh, here's basculin! It's dex number is 49-"

https://tenor.com/view/basculin-anime-hydro-pump-unova-pokemon-gif-4848163810963933861

[full bison]

"Also we're never adding Basculegion so don't ask for it"

[unkempt kernel]

Tbh i kinda hope for minior but at the same time theres also some other good additions like the abomasnow line

[stoic canopy]

No one ever wants seedot…

[glass patio]

nah i’d shields down

[grave jolt]

https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/anim/normal/seedot.gif

[full bison]

Seedot would be fun

[velvet root]

Unpopular opinion
People dont see how cool Basculin fusions will look!

[full bison]

Not the highest on my list but the Tengu stuff could be neat

[glass patio]

I can kinda see it

I mean

[outer matrix]

if only basculegion could be used

[glass patio]

Like yeah

[fathom ridge]

Without basculegion it seems kinda empty

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/basculin-basculegion-hisui-legends-arceus-pokemon-gif-16348501758758153029

[velvet root]

I see that

Still

Basculin would be one of the weak ass pokemon that will only have the argument of looking cool

[unkempt kernel]

If it was in ebfore i did my traditional japanese / japanese myth run i would have loved it

[velvet root]

And I think thats fun

[unkempt kernel]

Since its based on a tengu

[full bison]

If Abomasnow gets added I'm not sure if I'd be doing a Sun team for the next playthrough or a Hail one. Prob Sun cause it has more support but still

[grave jolt]

wtf is this evolution method

[outer matrix]

total recoil

[velvet root]

Seedot could make cool Acorn armor

[full bison]

Modern Pokemon evo methods try to be straightforwartd challenge: Impossible

[deft obsidian]

Tengu fusion sounds awesome.

[unkempt kernel]

Runerigus method

[full bison]

Leaked Seedot/Psyduck fusion

[velvet root]

I still cant believe that people believed that

[grave jolt]

Basculin stats aren't too bad to be salvaged by fusion, I say let them in.

[velvet root]

It will be one of the mons that have the better stats on the boring fusions XD

[inland jewel]

Out of ice type mons, I feel like all the others offer more than Spheal

[full bison]

I can see myself using Basculegion as a Head to shore up the stats of another phys sweeper

[inland jewel]

since vanilluxe and Abombasnow are weather setters

[outer matrix]

"In order to evolve detreat, you need to make it take 340 recoil damage, go to a specific spot in the region, spin in a circle while in a friend group, and the pokemon must hold an everstone"

[inland jewel]

and the others give more types that aren't in the game while Water has like 75 lines

[grave jolt]

tbf there's like 3 ice types

[velvet root]

Kinda agree
Even designe wise

[full bison]

"It also needs to be a full moon while raining and the device needs to be upside down"

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-refresh-crabominable-gif-25043982

[outer matrix]

it's dex number is 492

[velvet root]

I want to know how it ends if people get Crabominable

[full bison]

I despise this thing's design but it would add a dcent amount of cool design potential

[velvet root]

Sounds like a pro Miltank argument XD

[grave jolt]

The remaining Ice lines left:
Abamasnow
Avalugg
Beartic
Castform
Crabominable
Cryogonal
Vanilluxe
Walrein

[full bison]

Nah, Miltank's the opposite. It's design is fine but some spriters use it to make cursed stuff

[velvet root]

Looking at that
Walrein is actually on the weaker side for designes imo

[outer matrix]

"milktank is cow and cow make milk, fusion must have milk " - some spriter

[stoic canopy]

It does feel like people forget that miltank is a cow and just think “udder and milk”

[inland jewel]

Crabominable - Fighting type, one of the least in the game
Cryogonal - Fast, which many ice types lack, Ice Crystals/Texture
Vanilluxe - Weather setter, food fusions
Beartic - Arguably weak- Ursaring is in the game and two of its abilites can't be used.
Avalug- Crystals/Icebergs fusions
Walrein - Water type (again) with alright bulk

[velvet root]

Dont tell Spriters about other Mammals

[full bison]

Avalugg could have some sick designs, but woe, slow bulky ice type be upon ye

[glass patio]

Goat milk

[outer matrix]

gogoat has milk drink , therefore gogoat-

[inland jewel]

Avalugg's stats also lean it toward it being a body fusion, which it needs to have a fast mon to make it useable

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/goat-gif-22057358

[inland jewel]

so Walrein does have more use over Beartic and Avalugg, but its honestly still middle of the pack compared to
Abombasnow, Cryogonal, Crabominable, and Vanilluxe

[glass patio]

The thing about miltank tho is that it has visible udders so it’s easier to put milk

[inland jewel]

since the other 4 offer more

[full bison]

Maybe it could be fused to a decently bulky Fairy type to make it at least OK in the tanking role? It has a good toolkit, Ice is just awful for it

[velvet root]

Ngl half the sprites dont even look like Udders anymore qwq

[full bison]

Or a Water type could work

[inland jewel]

tbh, I'd never want a defensive ice fusion

[grave jolt]

I'm not a fan of Crabominable, Cryogonal, or Vanilluxe.
Castform is 4 slots and is a transformation pokemon.

That leaves Abamasnow, Avalugg, Beartic, and Walrein. Any of these pokemon would be good, I just have fond memories of rolling Spheal on a Pokemon Fire Red randomizer and proceding to steamroll the rest of kanto.

[outer matrix]

we need a glass cannon ice type

[full bison]

Only option on that front is Cryogonal

[inland jewel]

consider that to even use Castform as an ice type it HAS to use Forecast

since Castform's forms are a battle only change

so it'd work like Necrozma

[grave jolt]

Castform Ice isn't even the best castform version imo

[glass patio]

surprising that there’s not much ice types that r like that

[unkempt kernel]

A youtuber says otherwise

[velvet root]

Dont get me wrong I like Walreine
Used it in some runs
But 1 semi cute and 1 forgotten mon for Walrein
Idk

[full bison]

Cubchoo getting added is a prospect that scares me cause I worry about its snot getting the Miltank treatment

[inland jewel]

Beartic has access to Slush Rush and Swift Swim, which people have pointed out, DO NOT work in PIF

[glass patio]

Tf is gamefreak doin giving bulk to a defensively weak af type

[inland jewel]

so its pretty much forced to use the ability of the other mon

[velvet root]

True

[fathom ridge]

Abomasnow would be my go to ice type

[velvet root]

Maybe they get fixed when it gets in

[outer matrix]

new ability: frostbitten - any physical contact will have a 30% chance of freezing the opposing pokemon

[inland jewel]

Avalugg's only good stat is Defense at 184, with Attack at 117. Arguably forcing you to use it as a body with its measily 28 speed

[velvet root]

Your the devil

[inland jewel]

which you won't get alot of if the other mon is giving 1/3 of its speed

[glass patio]

that sounds kinda broken

i’m not an expert on this

[inland jewel]

since Avalugg head fusions gets 95 Hp, with only 44 SpAtk and 46 SpDef

[full bison]

Frostbite should replace Freeze at this point

[velvet root]

Yeah
There is a reason why no move is just to freeze a mon

[fathom ridge]

What if game freak added a move that has a 50% chance to make you win or lose instantly

[full bison]

SpAttackers can stand to be taken down a peg

[velvet root]

Frostbite was dmg and -spatk?

Yeah Frostbite is better imo

[grave jolt]

Its just that Sealeo is stuck between Spheal, who is one of the best known non-kanto pokemon among casual fans, and Walrein, who terrorized multiple generations so bad snow was banned.

[inland jewel]

Cryogonal is the only Fast Ice type with its 105 speed, which gives a good 30~ as a head fusion combined with its great SpAtk at 95 and SpDef at 135. Only has levitate so its a detractor but its still one of like 4 pokemon that naturally learn freeze dry

Abombasnow and Vanilluxe are both weather setters, (and none of them are hidden ability so bonus)

[fathom ridge]

Isn’t levitate kinda good?

[full bison]

For a while I also wanted to see an item that gives a non-immobilizing Paralysis to it's holder so Marvel Scale becomes an ability that can be taken advantage of, but then I remembered Trick Room teams use Ursaluna and Conkeldurr

[inland jewel]

Abombasnow also gives us more grass types which we lack, while Vanilluxe has food fusions backing it

[inland jewel]

i mean, sure. but doesn't ice already resist ground?

[full bison]

Ice resists Ice and nothing else

[fathom ridge]

Nope, ice only resist ice iirc

[inland jewel]

dang

then yeah its pretty good on it

[unkempt kernel]

Yeah ice only resists itself

[full bison]

Having only one ability means Frog might give Cryogonal a new HA

[fathom ridge]

It’s a glass cannon, or a ice cannon if you will

[inland jewel]

Crabominable gives us more Fighting types

which is still in the bottom half of both percentages and amount of mons in the game

[grave jolt]

What HA could Cryo possibly get? Refrigerate?

[fathom ridge]

I think what we need is more bug types ||give me vikavolt or give me death||

[grave jolt]

True, we need Rhibombee 😌

[full bison]

I'm down for that. An actual special attacking Ice head with Refrigerate would be nice considering Aurorus's situation

[outer matrix]

we need buzzwole and pheromosa

[inland jewel]

considering tat Cryogonal doesn't learn any good offensive normal moves, that would be a waste

Prism armor though?

[grave jolt]

could fuse it with something that does learn a large number of normal moves.

[inland jewel]

true. but ike the best move it learns naturally thats normal and offensive is Slash

with his measily 45 atk stat

[full bison]

Slush Rush on Cryo would be nice if it worked

but it probably wouldnt

[inland jewel]

Slush rush on a 105 speed mon?

[full bison]

Lycanroc has Sand Rush so...

[grave jolt]

Imagine Snow Warning Walrein 😌

[inland jewel]

If walrein has snow warning, how can it still without ice body?

considering Pif weather is just permenant unless changed or cloud nined

[grave jolt]

Wait is pif weather permanant?

[fathom ridge]

TRUE

[inland jewel]

yeah, battle follows Gen 5 logic apparently

so weather just stays

[fathom ridge]

Are weather wars a thing?

[grave jolt]

jesus, the Wall could someday actually return (That's what I named my Walrein)

[inland jewel]

in showdown ALL speed abilities tied to weather are banned

but the weather themselves do stay ues

[fathom ridge]

Whoa

[hot hamlet]

Ice types are official punching bags. We need more Ice rep to make them… cooler… in the eyes of fans.
Vanilite or die!

[inland jewel]

As for Hail setters

we have Aurorus and Delibird

[fathom ridge]

Also how did the v-create test go? I heard about that thing happening

[unkempt kernel]

Both of which are HAs

[grave jolt]

Walrein was strong enough in permanant snow to bring Snover when Abamasnow was banned.

[full bison]

Same energy as Bidoof almost getting banned cause of Moody

[tulip mason]

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

oops

[grave jolt]

[fathom ridge]

Why does it matter if an ability is a hidden an ability or not?

[full bison]

more annoying to get

[unkempt kernel]

^

[inland jewel]

ease of access in a normal playthrough

I'm not gonna spend hours farming amaura or delibird for a hailsetter

when i can just use hail

[unkempt kernel]

Abom gives a wider access to snow warning

[fathom ridge]

Ah but nothing for showdown

[inland jewel]

yee, think about it from multiple POVs

we got the gameplay crowd, the spriters, the Showdown people,

[outer matrix]

HAs apparently are bugged in IF where they can be removed after unfusing

[unkempt kernel]

Not like anyone uses it

[grave jolt]

There's a thing pinned in general chat that tells you how to swap hidden abilities to different pokemon.

[inland jewel]

Like as a Spriter, I would love to work with Lunala. As a gameplay person, I do not want to put in the effort to raise a cosmog

[inland jewel]

yeah and im not gonna do that

[fathom ridge]

Bruh #showdown-general

[grave jolt]

The biggest weakness for any ice type is that they're locked so far into the end game. If there was a way to get Ice types before gym 6 it'd be easier to justify them to myself over other pokemon

[fathom ridge]

I think the reason most ice type sucks is that gamefreak keeps making them tanky slow defensive mons

[full bison]

Ice types are either broken or worthless. There's about 4 exceptions.

[velvet root]

I know a Ice type that could be encountert sooner in Infinite Fusion

[grave jolt]

In a casual playthrough I'll generally have the team I'm gonna finish the game with before I even get to Erika, let alone Sabrina.

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-anime-pokeani-crabrawler-anipoke-gif-25043983

[fathom ridge]

That’s pretty early for me ngl

[velvet root]

He could be before erika and the evo could become "use a ice stone"

[fathom ridge]

That sounds reasonable

[full bison]

Nah you'll need to get to the top of Mt. Silver to evolve it

[outer matrix]

"crabrawler tried to go to the top, but ended up tumbling to the bottom of a cave" = new evo?

[velvet root]

We could also make him a encounter with berry trees

[grave jolt]

Spheal could be justifiably fished out of the ocean on any of the coastlines, since seals irl like to group on city docks when they're close to the water.

[fathom ridge]

Ngl that could become annoying over time X)

[velvet root]

Who cares just one hit that lil boxer XD

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-seal-gif-20382702

[fathom ridge]

Breaking rocks can be so tedious with those lvl 7 geodudes

[velvet root]

I know

Frogman could make it the same chance as for Trubbish in trash

[fathom ridge]

You can find trubbish in trash?!??

[velvet root]

It could also fit on the route to the right of vermillion

[velvet root]

yes

[inland jewel]

ony way to get him

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/but-there's-a-lot-that-you-don't-know-seraphim-sera-hazbin-hotel-it's-not-that-simple-amazon-studios-gif-3542127547576074170

[fathom ridge]

What’s the chance? Can you keep spamming one trash can?

[velvet root]

I dont think you can spam one

[full bison]

The first Trubbish I found was in a trash can on SS. Anne that one of the passengers was being seasick into. Poor guy

[fathom ridge]

I feel like I should have known that, I always check trash cans

[velvet root]

I get my latest Trubbish encounter at SSAnne or Vermillion gym

[grave jolt]

yk what could also fit on the routes near Vermillion?

[inland jewel]

its a very small chance that i know

like either 1% or 7%

[fathom ridge]

Holy moly

[inland jewel]

but there is a guarneteed encounter in Saffron

[grave jolt]

4%

[velvet root]

Best I can say is underneath Lavender town
on the water route in the grass or surfing

[fathom ridge]

I think I might have gotten it once? If I did I just thought it was a scripted event

[fathom ridge]

Oh wait it might be that

[grave jolt]

Also fits on cycling road.

[velvet root]

kinda agree
Could be a lil stretch for both that I could live with

I still say if someone wants a early ice type it would be Crabrawler line

[fathom ridge]

If vikavolt got added grubbin would probably be a route 1 mon, that’s cool for playtroughs right?

[grave jolt]

Waiter! Waiter! another Water/Ice type!

[velvet root]

I see it on the route before rock tunnel

[inland jewel]

idk if any of the new additions will be route mons

[velvet root]

Im sure they will at one point

[fathom ridge]

Slurpuff? Maybe

[inland jewel]

At least not before Gym 4-5

[full bison]

I really hope Torkoal is made into a Super Rod encounter to really complete the joke

[velvet root]

Im sure he will be

[fathom ridge]

Yeah but like a 1% chance

[grave jolt]

ooh walrein is Ice/Water not Water/Ice

[velvet root]

Im unsure about that one

[fathom ridge]

I wonder how much though goes into type order

[velvet root]

I mean starters are kinda before the 4th gym

I can see Wimpod be a rock smash or old rod mon near oceans

[outer matrix]

LGPE really did made that route full of grass

[fathom ridge]

When the next update comes out, I need to do a new play through just for the funny hats

[velvet root]

Bink in rock tunnel

[fathom ridge]

Also unrelated but isn’t the E4 in remix kinda crazy?

[velvet root]

Same
I stretch mine atm cuz I wanna use new mons

[grave jolt]

Imagine a static Walrein in the Ice Caves
damn those caves sure are getting crowded

[velvet root]

Would be too crowded imo

[grave jolt]

add another room with a Walrein encounter /j

[velvet root]

add a room that needs dive to get Walrein ||line||

[grave jolt]

Nah, new island just for seal pokemon

[velvet root]

I can see it as a static around kindle road maybe

[grave jolt]

Maybe a cave in route 23 near the water

[velvet root]

I say we place it in Olivine

Ngl lets replace the sleeping Snorlax under Lavender town with a sleeping Walrein XD

[grave jolt]

tbh that'd be great

though, that'd make Walrein the first Ice type you'd have access to.

[velvet root]

Glaceon is sooner

[grave jolt]

yk, I forgot Celadon City sold Ice stones lmao

[full bison]

Glaceon being availble at a reasonable point in time feels like a violation of the natural order

[velvet root]

Thats why I suggsested Crabrawler

[full bison]

That dang ice boulder was never in a convenient spot

[velvet root]

True
Gamefreak normaly makes Glaceon SUPER late game

[grave jolt]

GF really doesn't want us to have Ice types early game lmfao

[velvet root]

We should start a pokemon adventure near a cold place once imo

[full bison]

Canada region when

[velvet root]

Cant wait for the Moose starter

[grave jolt]

nah, moose legendary

[velvet root]

I want to know GF interpretation of a German region

[outer matrix]

what animals or themes could work in that region

like what could be the box legends?

[velvet root]

I mean Germany has a lot of Myths to be fair

Sadly I can see a European Dragon for one game and a Griffin for the other

Just a handfull of myths

We also have the "Nachtkrab" (I think that was his name)

[outer matrix]

krampus would be cool as a deliberd regional or convergent

[velvet root]

(me who has a Krampus delibird evo)

[gray vine]

def could see one based on a Elwetritsch would be the very common bird of the region

[outer matrix]

what's uglei?

[gray vine]

tho cant see it evolve unless they bring in other myths for the mon too

[outer matrix]

ice/dark?

[velvet root]

yes

[velvet root]

"Uglei

"U.G.L.E.I, you ain't got no alibi. You Uglei." The Uglei is actually the name of a lake, and the figure in question is said to be responsible for its creation. The story tells of one of those less-than-chivalrous knights who fell in "love" with a local farm girl. He pursued her affection for a long time before she caught feelings for him too. He took her to a small chapel in the forest and promised to make her his wife "and may God strike me down if I'm full of BS". The poor girl believed him, and they met regularly, until one day he stopped showing up.

When she realized she had been abandoned, she caught full-blown type 1 emo. She started wearing black and became very depressed. Eventually, she died of the emo. The knight, being the arse that he was, met another woman and married her in the exact chapel in the woods where he'd previously declared his love for our favourite farm girl. The absolute cheek of it. As the couple were about to say "I do", a ghostly woman appeared all in black and pointed to the knight. He fell to the floor in fright, and an enormous storm appeared and sank the chapel to the bottom of the lake."

Thats what the side says about the Uglei

[glass patio]

Tf

[gray vine]

interesting to include the Animal Musicians as the grimm represantation

[velvet root]

The White Women is a REALLY famous legend in Germany
Could be a ghost type regional from Gardevoir

[velvet root]

True
Reminds me that many Fairytails could become Pokemon

[dusty arrow]

whats even scarier:

a straight white man

[velvet root]

HELP

[dusty arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/braindump-straight-white-man-max-g-hot-diggedy-demon-gif-22533195

[outer matrix]

that could be a cool regional, I just wonder what ralts & kirlia would look like if that's the case

and gallade; could gallade be based off of the knight that cheated the woman?

[velvet root]

maybe lost ghost children

[next flare]

Gengar regional variant leaning heavier into Doppelgänger inspiration

[dusty arrow]

live phantump reaction

[velvet root]

I mean I started a Ghost type line of Ralts inspired by the White Women once

never finished

[velvet root]

True
I mean thats even the name origin from Gengar

I also see stuff like Sableye getting a evo in a German region

[outer matrix]

would fidough have a regional that resembles a pretzel or would it remain the same?

[velvet root]

Fidough could have a regional too XD
I mean we Germans have SOME Bread

"Hardly any other country boasts so many different varieties. The Central Association of the German Bakery Trade estimates that there are 3,200 different types."

[dusty arrow]

then give mawile an evo too-

[velvet root]

Im sure we could find something

[dusty arrow]

i would love a mawile evo

[hot hamlet]

I thought your bread was spelt bier?

[dusty arrow]

i know its unlikely but i think a bear thats related to beer would be funny

also WHEN DO WE GET A FIRE TYPE BEAR BASED ON SMOKEY-

[hot hamlet]

Sinistea regional variant that uses “dizzy water”

[velvet root]

We are the second biggest in alcohol consumtion soo yeah

[gray vine]

who uses tea with sparkly water

dont be gross

[outer matrix]

bröt und käse

[dusty arrow]

what if lza has a dark type dachsbun regional evo thats based on bread in french being pain

[gray vine]

also of german ones would just be ghost type due to how many kid fairytales are just about kids being totured and usually dying for not doing something basic, like eating your soup or not cutting your nails

[outer matrix]

hanzel and gretel had that, right? || where the children aren't alive? ||

[dusty arrow]

do we have a wendigo pokemon?

[unkempt kernel]

||Yeah its based on an old german famine||

[gray vine]

nah

[velvet root]

ah yes german myths and fairytails being super deadly

[gray vine]

they kill the witch and steal her stuff

[velvet root]

Max and Moritz die
They were big prankster but at one point the Baker was sick of it and made bread out of them

[gray vine]

ye

Soup Casper was a little Kid who refused to eat his soup, so his parents didnt give him any food till he ate his soup and he died of starvation

[velvet root]

lol

[glass patio]

i really can’t understand what’s going on

[velvet root]

What was the name from the kid who got the fingers cut off

[gray vine]

Struwwelpeter

[velvet root]

https://youtu.be/J1DAmmROUX8
Pov Germans

[gray vine]

i misread

[deft obsidian]

Same

[outer matrix]

it would be cool to participate in a german pokemon region

[gray vine]

Struwwelpeter is the one who doesnt cut his nails

[unkempt kernel]

Soldier tf2 when he has a teleporter and nothing to do for 3 days

[gray vine]

the cutting fingers off is the story of little suck a thumb

where his thumbs got cut off cause he wouldnt stop sucking on em

[velvet root]

pov 99% being Dark or Ghost types

[unkempt kernel]

Hm, i feel like that might be a possibility since theyve been doing europe a lot

[velvet root]

But I would love to be in a german fan region team

[hot hamlet]

Wasn’t that the point of Grimmsnarl? To rep dark fairy tales?

[unkempt kernel]

Yeah

[velvet root]

I can see something from the American continent next again

[unkempt kernel]

I mean we've done Hawaii and uh, new york area right?

[outer matrix]

unova is based off of new york

[velvet root]

Maybe Texas or Canada

[unkempt kernel]

Maybe the pacific north west or a southern states region could be cool

[hollow creek]

Pokemon florida region

[unkempt kernel]

Sandaconda would need a regional variant for a texas region

[unkempt kernel]

So uh, aligators and hurricanes?

[velvet root]

So they use Google streetview

[unkempt kernel]

Maybe not rn

considering uh

Milton

[hollow creek]

Floridian hitmonlee/chan would go nuts i feel

[outer matrix]

krookodile regional in florida
has a manhole cover on it as a hat

[velvet root]

Next region is based on Alabama

[unkempt kernel]

Feraligatr and Skeledirge too

[unkempt kernel]

OH GOD

[velvet root]

pov Pokemon dating Sim XD

[glass patio]

ohhhh i think i understand now

[unkempt kernel]

Theres a fan game for that

[velvet root]

OOOH HELL NO

[unkempt kernel]

Another asian region could be cool, like say China or Thailand

[sweet spoke]

to be fair hatterene does that also

"Oh? you dare have emotions near me? Now suffer."

[velvet root]

Last time a dating sim looked interesting your life long best friend got hangnd and the rest of the girls had a bad ending too

[outer matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/hatterene-gif-27619666

[unkempt kernel]

Or maybe an africian based region based on egypt

[ember bear]

hatterene is just reverse blissey

[unkempt kernel]

Ah, ddlc

[velvet root]

I want Australia

[hollow creek]

dookie dookie literature poo

[ember bear]

when you are sad, instead of an egg you get killed

[outer matrix]

anyways, new pokemon could be another popular pick since the previous reveals are strangely fitting that notion

[unkempt kernel]

Isn't it the middle form that has a dex entry that says "If you bring strong emotions near it it will silence you violently"

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/goat-gif-4486519

Soooo since we got Torkoal

[sweet spoke]

Hatterene also has one like this

[hollow creek]

Im holding out faith for malamar or dragalge

[unkempt kernel]

Considering 2 of the reveals were the top 2 picks (Kommo-o and Golisopod as much as i dislike it)

[sweet spoke]

Hatenna evolves once and immediately decides emotions suck

[velvet root]

I always feel like Malamar has a counter part but he doesnt

[unkempt kernel]

were ye, maybe we'll get excadrill

[sweet spoke]

it doesn't?

fr??

[velvet root]

I cant remember one

[outer matrix]

we haven't seen salazle yet even though it was a top 5 pick on the public vote

[unkempt kernel]

Or vikavolt

[ember bear]

and excadrill!

[unkempt kernel]

Tbh i think Salazle is gonna be left out due to uh, near rule 2 violations

[unkempt kernel]

I'd love excadrill in pif

[sweet spoke]

anyone remember that clip where a malamar turns Serena into a Braixen

[outer matrix]

what

[hollow creek]

this pokemon is just begging to be in infinite fusion

[hollow creek]

chicken but

[sweet spoke]

:)

https://tenor.com/view/furry-transfurmation-pokemon-poggers-gif-20185234

jumpscare

[outer matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/chrominius-pokemon-eevee-gif-21288251

[velvet root]

That animation doesnt look like a normal Pokemon episode if you know...

[unkempt kernel]

Technically you cna make this without malamar since in the update with all the new mons you cna put hats on them right?

[hollow creek]

We've gotten two really good mar's from ribbon and gencky

[sweet spoke]

shhhhhhh 🤫

[velvet root]

oh hell no

[sweet spoke]

eh?

[velvet root]

I just saw it even keeps her chest...

[unkempt kernel]

Yeah wasn't it shown in the stream with the kalos starters

[sweet spoke]

i wasn't there for that

[unkempt kernel]

Ah

[outer matrix]

malamar gives off supervillain vibes, right?

[hollow creek]

Its definitely one of the more evil pokemon

[unkempt kernel]

I get dnd Mind Flayer (I think thats what they're called?) vibes

Or cthlulu

[hollow creek]

yeah those

[unkempt kernel]

Its whatever the squid things are from dnd / baldur's gate 3

[hot hamlet]

It was the only actively evil Pokémon shown in the anime

[hot hamlet]

Mind Flayer

I take it back, there was one other evil Pokémon in the anime

[unkempt kernel]

Oh I got it write the first time

[hot hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/togepi-pokemon-anime-evil-laugh-gif-5645933

But he was more low stakes evil. Malamar wanted a poke revolt

[gray vine]

could argue team rockets mons, they all where willing or well most where specially Jessies Mons, James it was mostly Mime Jr.

tho i guess maybe you dont count Rocket as their evil is very cartoony

oh i guess Alolan Meowth def counts, it helped team rocket then betrayed them to replace Giovanni's Persian to become the Top Pokemon in ranks, and kinda did do that

[hot hamlet]

I don’t count them as it’s clear they only do that stuff to please “Master” as evidenced in the Island of Giant Pokémon episode. Not willingly doing evil unless ordered to.

And I don’t know anything of the later seasons

[gray vine]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokeani-meowth-mimikyu-alola-gif-11111950

trying to kill meowth lul

bro this loop sucks, its so quick hard to look at

[hot hamlet]

Oh yeah. Also that specific Mimikyu but that was more hatred towards one mon instead of general villain

I mean Malamar was a complete genocidal psycho compared to these much lower stakes ones

[gray vine]

yee

[outer matrix]

Malamar/Mr mime = ???

[unkempt kernel]

Malmime

Or mr. Mar

[hot hamlet]

So based on the last 3 reveals, we’ll either get something this weekend, or the following weekend. As there was 15 days between Golisopod and the Pumpkaboo/Swirlix reveal, and another 6 days before Torkoal.
Thoughts on when the next will come?

[outer matrix]

Prob Sunday since that's when most reveals generally happen (where we get the dex numbers and such)

But we may get something like a "react-a-thon" preview to advance a story further

[hot hamlet]

Yeah, where’s the story at? Also we gonna continue the cave story and find where Carbink wandered off to, or the sub story and show exactly what new data they found at the bottom of the sea (I have a feeling there was more than just ambient wildlife meant to be gathered in that voyage)

[sullen forum]

Oh I would love to get Malamar even just for Contrary

[inland jewel]

consideringwe already are getting a new contrary user via Lurantis

[sullen forum]

Oh right, I forgot they were adding that

[glass patio]

no way minior moment #1293740401571926078

[humble lance]

minior moment

these look so awesome
usually im not a fan of sfx but i think it really works here

[hot hamlet]

I’m all for VFX!

[simple gulch]

victory resshi when

[outer matrix]

what about victini passing a baton to another pokemon?

and giving them the victory

[twin phoenix]

Those Minior are so cool. Great way to bring them together.

[brittle spade]

Malimar's Topsy turvy ability would be so good for fusions

[cedar spindle]

have i missed minior being announced or are they just meant as cool designs?

[proud lion]

The latter

Reveals are usually on Sundays

[hot hamlet]

Just Victini holding up Machoke or Machamp’s arm like the ref in a wrestling match/boxing match

[cedar spindle]

ah shame i really like minior

[coarse karma]

I still find it funny that I fully believed at the start of this that numel was way more likely than torkoal

i'm still happy for torkoal, he deserves more love these days lol

[coarse karma]

an update to my stupid looking list. the red scribbles are because I don't believe we'll be getting anymore water types, outside maybe lotad since it's a land dweller.

[acoustic crow]

Lotad is such a good boi

[hot hamlet]

Numel ain’t a water type
I get the logic, Torkoal is the turtle for this update but the joke was too good to pass up

[quaint matrix]

the Meditite line won't be added

Kinda shocked you don't add all the other Legendaries/Mythicals besides Shaymin tbh

[prime dust]

the thing is legends that make sense for this addition are limited

its either shaymin, or the entire cosmog line

outside those all other legends/mythicals/ubs/etc don't really fit with the current game

[full bison]

Victini and Diancie would both fit

[prime dust]

like i said, only shaymin and cosmog line

[full bison]

"wouldn't make sense?" Or, "not what I'd like to see?"

[hexed agate]

Wow, crossing off Relicanth like that

I'm going to ask Frog to remove Torkoal and add Relicanth instead, better deep sea swimmer

[rain locust]

topsy turvy is a move

[simple gulch]

contrary

is a busted ability

[outer matrix]

Topsy turvy in doubles

[rain locust]

lurantis is a better contrary mon than malamar

[simple gulch]

:v i didnt know lurantis also brought its hidden ability

[full star]

Inkay isn't a Water type, it's a Psychic type

[daring burrow]

oh its contrary

neat

[gentle escarp]

thank god this game won't add Urshifu

[daring burrow]

do we have draco meteor on game?

[quaint matrix]

Unfortunately no

[simple gulch]

why not that skill

:v isnt we got garchomp

[worldly sail]

sup, gen 2

[coarse karma]

OH, The victini vs shaymin thing was purely a joke cause I saw a moderator talk about how people were talking about how much they didnt like how bratty Shaymin was being during one of the movie nights then I saw a lot of users saying Victini was much nicer than Shaymin, so it was just a gag/inside joke.

[coarse karma]

Love ur Otto pfp, Yuty.

[quaint matrix]

I know exactly the movie lol

Think I watched it a week ago

I kinda love that she's a spoiled whiner tbh (at least when she's weak), very funny personality to have contrasting her aesthetic

[coarse karma]

The only reason why Victini is still on my list is cause of this joke comment casually said outside of this channel a while back from Pory. I take things any mod says as sus even if it's meant as a joke.

https://tenor.com/view/виктини-джирачи-victini-jirachi-mythical-pokemon-gif-5546311878697304683

[coarse karma]

this reminds me, I need to find my X and Sun, make sure my old Victini is on Pokemon Home and not on a dead console/Pokemon Bank cause who knows when they'll fully shut that down.

[coarse karma]

I wish we did D:

[coarse karma]

Whoops. my brain saw squid = found in water only, you're right it can be found outside of water I totally forgot until you reminded me.
I only caught it a single time in X, evolved it, then boxed it 10 years ago and the only other time I saw it was floating around James in the anime, just assumed it was Water/Psychic dual typing that became water/dark all these years.

[full star]

It's cool, don't worry
Malamar was an MVP in many of my Y playthroughs

[toxic flame]

Just found out pumpkaboo will join the Game

https://tenor.com/view/cr1tikal-penguinz0-meme-woo-yeah-baby-gif-19316511

[full bison]

the crazy part is that all 4 forms are being added without taking up multiple slots

[fathom ridge]

Will there be a reveal this Sunday

[wide merlin]

i hope and a pokemon with two evolution for a maj soon

[fathom ridge]

I chope for vikavolt

[wide merlin]

me walrein or gothitelle maybe timburr

[fathom ridge]

Spheal and walreain would be cool, but sealeo is kinda just there

[wide merlin]

sealeo is fine , it's better than the mid evolution of Every starter

[fathom ridge]

Ivysaur is cool tho

[wide merlin]

but , we don't have the third evolution for the rockruff

a strange possibility but a leak can be for that evolution

[fathom ridge]

Rockruff evo in legends ZA?

[wide merlin]

no, in infinite fusion

[fathom ridge]

Ahhh now I see what you meant

[wide merlin]

we focalise on the pokemon from the vote but we can imagine a possibility or one from the unown pokemon reveal can to be the dusk lycanroc

[velvet root]

Sadly it is confirmed that dusk Lycan probably never gets in

[ember bear]

didn't frog himself say that he doesn't even like the form

[velvet root]

Btw can we get Gogoat this Sunday
Yeah its not on my bday but a day after

[velvet root]

Doesnt like it for the game
Doesnt bring enough to be a slot

[unkempt kernel]

^ Its just midday with mignights hair

[unique flame]

i hope not , he is too similar to midday in shape and power would be an almost pointless addition

[full bison]

All Dusk really brings to the table is Tough Claws, and I'd rather bring Barbaracle in for that

That being said, I'm pretty confident we're not getting any aquatic Pokemon or Grass types. The sub trip is over and we already have a lot of Grass types getting added

[outer matrix]

Another dragon reveal incoming

[full bison]

It's crazy to think that we're already almost out of Dragons to add

[prime dust]

just finish adding them, that way we don't need to worry about adding more later

[hollow creek]

People got way too mad about it but I do think lycanroc should have tough claws as a secret ability or something ingame

[prime dust]

its been suggested multiple times

no guarantees frog will add it

[full bison]

Are there any Pokemon with only one ability that make sense to get Tough Claws? Cause otherwise our only option there is Barbaracle

[hollow creek]

Praying for dragale

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-pinhead-larry-ugly-barnacle-story-gif-16181475

[tacit saddle]

dragalge would be so cool

[outer matrix]

But no more water reveals
It lives in the water

[hollow creek]

I really hope we get eelektross

it feels very likely

but vikavolt can happen too

[full bison]

Eelektross does live in caves sometimes

[hollow creek]

it flies around n shit

crazy ass eel

[glass patio]

oh color role is gone

[full bison]

If we do get Eelektross I really hope it gets Electric Surge as a Hidden Ability. It'd be annoying for the Tapus to be our only option for Terrain abilities, especially considering they'd probably get banned in Showdown and be postgame in the game proper

[outer matrix]

They've been gone for a while tbh

[glass patio]

i swear they were here a few days ago

[full bison]

Still not sure what Pokemon would make sense to give Misty Surge to, considering there's no Fairies with only one ability

[deft obsidian]

It's So exciting if we get some gen 5 bangers , eelektross gigalith lilligant mandibuzz braviary sword of justice. But I think next pokemons are box legendaries, maybe solgaleo and Lunala, and we already have necrozma so it's more likely.

[outer matrix]

Doesn't a tapu have misty surge?

[full bison]

My whole thing is that the Tapus are all likely to be banned in Showdown and Postgame in the game proper, so I'd prefer if more accessible Pokemon have those abilities

[deft obsidian]

Tapu fini

[full bison]

For Electric Surge, Eelektross makes the most sense. For Grassy, Carnivine. For Psychic, Chimecho or Claydol. For Misty....?

[deft obsidian]

Diancie for misty surge

[ember bear]

well it's a mythical

[outer matrix]

Mythical tied to an event that most people on their playthroughs won't go through though

[full bison]

Crazy thing is if Diancie gets Misty and all of those get added now, there'd still be a slot left

[ember bear]

hey there's mimikyu!

then again disguise is it's whole gimmick

[outer matrix]

I mean, I don't see meloetta often in #hall-of-fame despite the fact that you can get it as soon as after the silph co team rocket event

[full bison]

You think the Surge abilities would set permanent terrains like the Weather abilities do, or not because they never did that in the mainline games?

[ember bear]

weather from abilities is permanent here?

[full bison]

yup

[ember bear]

well

who knows

[deft obsidian]

Same with bruxish 😔
Everyone just want to use fucking gardevoir.

[glass patio]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-angry-speaking-head-tuco-squidward-gif-13808874276609302886

[outer matrix]

Gardevoir is more accessible to them

[grave jolt]

I mean, would you get a meloetta that early?

[hollow creek]

not even i knew this

[full bison]

Getting Melo is soooooo tedious

[outer matrix]

Tedious, but worth it

One of the band members is in johto, which is why I said as soon as you get access to johto

[deft obsidian]

You get meloetta before bruxish? Crazy

[hollow creek]

this was my 6.0 team

[glass patio]

Crazy? I was-

[grave jolt]

Meloetta is barely faster, barely hits harder, and is only substantially bulkeir than Gardevoir.

[ember bear]

you are talking about aria

[glass patio]

my team is goated fr

[hollow creek]

i probably wouldve done melo/darkrai

[deft obsidian]

I still remember! That chandelure alakazam is yours

[ember bear]

pirouette is a whole another story

[outer matrix]

Use electrode/meloetta pirouette or whimsicott/meloetta pirouette for a faster one

[full bison]

Hall of Fames really getting posted everywhere but #hall-of-fame

[hollow creek]

It is and it carried, this time around i wanna do at least 3 in the hof

[grave jolt]

Gardevoir vs Meloetta Aria

Pirouette isn't even competing for the same slot on my team tbf

[hollow creek]

Meloetta p is the real strong one

but it has scarce sprites

[grave jolt]

If Pirouette wants to be my physical attacker it has to compete with Stab Earthquake

and also my #1 favorite pokemon, Torterra

[full bison]

Pirouette does get STAB Close Combat! at level 78...

[ember bear]

wait does meloetta have a hidden ability here?

[full bison]

not according to Infinite Dex

[ember bear]

would be really funny if it had scrappy

[grave jolt]

ig Meloetta gets STAB giga impact

[ember bear]

mega lopunny at home

[full bison]

Serene Grace is a pretty crazy ability as is, a Hidden Ability would need to be pretty crazy to compete with that

[hot hamlet]

I do my hardest!
It just doesn't have a very wide range of themes for me to use

[grave jolt]

I just looked up Meloetta fusions (cuz I like the music theming) and realized that one of the best Melo fusions is Aria/Pirouette

[full bison]

something big that Melo has over Gardevoir is that it has a lot more nice looking head fusions while most Gardevoir fusions focus on the body

[hollow creek]

I only have one meloetaa fusion

Older one but I like it

[outer matrix]

Breakfast meloetta anyone?

[full bison]

I'm tempted to try drawing a Melo fusion but I don't know what I'd fuse it with

[hollow creek]

Melo p is much harder to sprite

[outer matrix]

I mean yeah, pirouette is a bit more difficult to make fusions of than aria, but I feel like that's a good challenge

[full bison]

I think I've just thought of something. Melo-A/Metagross where the Metagross body becomes a stage with speakers in place of the legs with Melo singing atop it, with the Pirouette version having Melo dancing atop it

Shout-out to this fusion for having a very clever pun with the "sharp" notes

[hot hamlet]

Ya know? If it wasn’t fused to Exeggcute (bad times running with one of those fusions) I’d suggest it for a Food run

Combine it with a few others and you could have a team of wait staff

Like Corsola and the Ralts finals

[slow kraken]

12 more pokemon i sure hope 9 of them are the unova monkeys

[ember bear]

8 more pokemon

[slow kraken]

6

[grave jolt]

A new monkey for each type

[slow kraken]

im bad at math

[twin phoenix]

I gotta get back to making the counterpart to my first sprite which was Meloetta..

[outer matrix]

we get simisurge 💡

[full bison]

still 66% tho

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/torkoal-fire-turtle-pokemon-pokemon-torkoal-gif-2789849950148042066

[ember bear]

489/492 are already taken

488 was just announced later

[grave jolt]

Tbh I doubted the torkoal crowd, but it has great Fusions.

[twin phoenix]

Search Meloetta/Probopass for the stage with speakers fusion.

[slow kraken]

i see

[grave jolt]

Hoping for an Aggron/Torkoal before the update releases.

[slow kraken]

pansage will have the best fusions known to man

[hot hamlet]

75%

9/12 and 6/8 are both 1/4 or 75%

[grave jolt]

3/4*

[hot hamlet]

I love when I can actually be right at math

That was a fat thumb moment

https://tenor.com/view/throw-phone-gif-5747280

[grave jolt]

truely a typo moment

[slow kraken]

guys we all voting for the monkeys if they do another poll right

[grave jolt]

I want deerling and Pachirisu first

[hot hamlet]

Only if I get the ice cream cone forst

[grave jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/deerling-pokemon-deerling-deer-gif-1522655797784175815

[tender plank]

only if the funny turtle child comes first

[slow kraken]

guys guys guys the first shall be last so vote for the monkeys

[spiral musk]

voting is over

[hot hamlet]

So we’re all in agreement. Next vote we choose Gen 5 mons only

[fathom ridge]

Ngl the monkeys will probably be added someday as a sort of troll move, frogman loves doing that type of thing

[spiral musk]

adding the monkey is a running gag so I wouldn't be surprised if they actually get in eventually

[glass patio]

not until minior gets added

[spiral musk]

we got bruxish this way

[glass patio]

||so basically never ||

[grave jolt]

The 4 Horsemen of Unova:
Elemental Monkies
Deerling
Archeops and Carracosta
Vanilluxe

[glass patio]

where is cinccino

https://tenor.com/view/cinccino-gif-16686054651581635730

[fathom ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-vikavolt-charjabug-gif-9816156

Remember him

[outer matrix]

yes

[full bison]

I can see Vanilluxe getting added sooner rather than later

[grave jolt]

yk, I always forget cinccino is gen 5

[slow kraken]

no i only remember monkeys

[grave jolt]

that's not Unova

[glass patio]

nah

[fathom ridge]

I always respect someone rooting for an underdog ||but like the monkeys??? Still cool tho||

[full bison]

kinda crazy how Vanilluxe took so much flak for being a Pokemon based on food back in the day, but now we got stuff like Swirlix, Fidough, and Alcreamie and people seem fine with all those

[fathom ridge]

Ah I was just reminding people of him

[glass patio]

gen 5 is epic smh

[slow kraken]

I started a movement to get monkeys in like 2 years ago right after they added pyukumuku

[glass patio]

my favorite gen in various aspects, not only the pokemon

[grave jolt]

because Vanillux is just an ice cream cone.
Swirlix was also absolutely hated on release; I heard people calling it gen 6 vanillux

[fathom ridge]

From gen 5 my guys would be rockenrolla, lilligant and Crustle