pif-hoenn-discussion

[stuck bane]

Sorry I can’t art

[silent acorn]

Haven't had time to finish my prototypes tho

[trail hull]

but it easy

[silent acorn]

I dont want what happened to notto to happen to me haha

[trail hull]

even for beginner

liek you don't need to pull a ntm

[woeful root]

i did a list for the legendaries/starters/ultra beasts, i know we don't really have a say for if they get in or not, but thought it would be fun

[stuck bane]

But time is gone with puppy, that’s why I’m mostly only on phone

[outer matrix]

take a sprite, recolor it and add on the Pokémon's features (if this helps)

[trail hull]

oh a puppy must be cute

[silent acorn]

Same but trying

[marble meadow]

i may but first i want to learn some coding first before spriting

[silent acorn]

I have this prototype but it's not finished because I could get the Golisopod base to be 96 x 96

For some reason they come in 288 x 288

[trail hull]

I can give you the resize easily

also it's because to be in game they need to be in 288 but for spriting they must be in 96

[silent acorn]

wanted to use this one mainly

[marble meadow]

my pc is kinda meh

[silent acorn]

The bases on Spritework tend to be 288 x 288 that's why I ended up stuck like that

[trail hull]

if those arte pixels I can resize

[silent acorn]

Can we resize this one or should re begin?

[silent acorn]

Yes they are pixels

[trail hull]

send me the link of the one you wanna use and I'll resize

[full bison]

I kinda wanna try my hand at making stuff but I'd be strictly relegating myself to concept sketches cause I'm not gonna give Adobe my money

[silent acorn]

Dm or just here?

[trail hull]

here

[silent acorn]

Ok

[marble meadow]

wait arceus silvally fusion would go hard and cool

[fiery elbow]

Here's my tier list

[inland jewel]

there are free apps for spriting. I myself use Paint.net

[silent acorn]

Damn notto lol

[trail hull]

so I resize the one you sent but still send the other so you can still use it anytime

[stuck bane]

It would, but the stats would be a downgrade no matter what

[silent acorn]

He beat me in it

[inland jewel]

some use Piksel

[stuck bane]

It would look cool

[silent acorn]

Ok thanks ill finish it later

Look what notto made tho

[trail hull]

I do

[silent acorn]

He blessed me actually

[stuck bane]

It wound end up being slightly better silvally stats with arceus movepool

[stuck bane]

Chi-yu?!?!?

[silent acorn]

I wanted to make this one but hey... It works by me, now there is one I can use

Huh didn't notice that lol

[full bison]

Man "rushed" and still made peak

How

[silent acorn]

I Wonder... Some weird coincidence or did he see me trying?

[trail hull]

if I rush I make trash

ntm is very talented

[silent acorn]

That's Notto for you

My man is busted as hell

But hey I wanted one for Delphox/Golisopod and my guy delivered Platinum

[trail hull]

every single oen of his sprites are a blessing but for soem reason a lot of them hit the gyms

[silent acorn]

Not this one for some reason haha

[marble meadow]

escavalier wold give the mons lances or knight armour

[silent acorn]

See it's interesting

[trail hull]

I said a lot of them not all

[stuck bane]

You want your sprites to be healthy

[silent acorn]

I was struggling to make the fur skirt he made there

Lot of detailing although...

[trail hull]

my sprite is obese

[silent acorn]

The hands became Crab hands haha

[silent acorn]

I mean for licky licky it works

[woeful root]

i can't lie i can't really see relicanth having interesting fusions

[stuck bane]

People want it because regi puzzles, that’s about it

[full bison]

Cartography aesthetic goes hard apparently to spriters

[stuck bane]

There’s plenty worse tho

[woeful root]

from a design standpoint its just a fish with a map on its body

[stuck bane]

Wait it is?

[full bison]

that's why it has the red spot

It's a biologically acceptable red x marking the spot

[stuck bane]

https://www.serebii.net/pokemon/art/369.png

I just thought it was a cool pattern

[trail hull]

there's even a continent

[woeful root]

like unless people make sprites that have nothing to really do with relicanth and more just generically about maps

[twin phoenix]

What am I looking at, Japan?

[full bison]

it's what happened with Klinklang

[silent acorn]

Question bio, how does one resize the bases to 96 x 96?

[woeful root]

yeah, i'm not the biggest fan of the klinklang fusions for that reason

[trail hull]

depends of what do you use

are you doign it on mobile or pc

[silent acorn]

Tried to use a browser one was a bad idea

[silent acorn]

Mobile

[trail hull]

for mobile I have no clue

[silent acorn]

More accesible to me

[silent acorn]

For pc how?

[twin phoenix]

If I see a pattern design, I just make clothes.
Aaaand a Relicanth/Froslass idea tried to enter my mind..

[stuck bane]

Ima be honest no clue

[woeful root]

i think its supposed to be hohen

since that is where relicanth is native too

[silent acorn]

I saw Delphox and Golisopod and I thought... This'll make a really sick samurai design

[stuck bane]

Hoenn doesn’t look like that, I think

[woeful root]

with the red spot being where the regi cave is

[trail hull]

for pc y=there's a lto of the art software , you can either uses gim and there's a resize function or go to piskel and drop the sprite (don't chaneg size during the popup) and then there's a resize option

[woeful root]

hence why it is part of the regi puzzle

[stuck bane]

Yeah I don’t see it

[trail hull]

I think it's jsut random tho I se it a tiny bit

have to go sleep good night guys

[stuck bane]

Gn

[silent acorn]

Got it notto was telling be about that too

Thank you greatly

[trail hull]

okay

no problem

[stuck bane]

Yeah I think y’all tripping I think Relicanth patterns are literally just supposed to be like a camouflage design, as for the red dot idk why does gardevoir have the chest spike thing, make it look less like some random animal I guess

[elder apex]

When is the big update expected?

[molten loom]

[stuck bane]

Soon ™️

I’d predict around November ish since that was when the last one was

Last big one at least

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/excadrill-pokemon-excadrill-gif-24835676

[hollow creek]

all of the announcements wont be done until november at the earliest, ye

wait wait

Mid november at the latest

forgot october existed

[marble meadow]

gourgeist for spooky month

[hollow creek]

my estimation is based on if we're getting a reveal every sunday or other sunday

if its every other sunday than next year

[coral axle]

Still really excited to have all these new pokemon in game and all the new amazingly drawn fusions

[hollow creek]

Heres a golisopod for ya

[velvet root]

Sick af

[hollow creek]

Ty

Im just dying to see what frog will pick to be in the game next especially with 13 slots open

[dusty arrow]

hes gonna pick ice type magikarp trust

[coral axle]

Like I said all I hope for is slurpuff

I do be liking Liepard too

[full bison]

My big wish is all the UBs, but being realistic all I'll ask for is Mienshao

[coral axle]

Mienshao would make elegant fusions

And Ribombee would make cute little ones

Cutiefly is gonna be like Joltik, very silly

Oh flabebe too

Very tinee

Florges would be gorgeous too

[full bison]

If the UBs are allowed to be their own separate things without being tied to each other, the big ones I'd like added are Kartana, Nihilego, Xurkitree, and my boy Naganadel

[velvet root]

By God let it be Gogoat and I can live with everything else!

[silent acorn]

It's burp

[velvet root]

I try to make the sickest fusions I can for the others if it gets in!

[full bison]

I'd like to see another Boxart trio added, but that being said the two remaining ones aren't exactly "Trios" in terms of slots

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-zygarde-pokémon-pokémon-legends-za-kalos-gif-6843721612711664659

zygarde should take 3 slots cuz percentage forms

[twin phoenix]

I think it will.

They have different stats and different abilities depending on whether it can transform or not.

[marble meadow]

10% dog fusions 50% snake 100% idk yet optimus prime fusion

[full bison]

I wonder how the triple fusions involving Xerneas/Yveltal/Zygarde and Solgaleo/Lunaala/Necrozma would work out considering all the forms involved

[twin phoenix]

Yeah, I can see Transformer/Voltron/Megazord/Bionicle references for 100%.

[primal musk]

Just saw the announcements, golisopod being in puts a big grin on my face

[rancid nymph]

It should take 1 and 6/10th slots

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/zygarde-power-pokemon-scream-transform-gif-17351477

[glass patio]

dog!11!1

[dark prism]

maybe we'll get some kind of new form with the legends game tho

so it might be best to wait until after that comes out

it seems unlikely given it has three separate forms already but you never know

[stuck bane]

This does bring an interesting question

Aura trio could probably make a snake triple fusion and a complete form triple fusion depending on how it works, I’d be doubtful if the dog form got its own triple.

The real issue here is a triple fusion of solgaleo/lunala/necrozma. We already know how necrozma works so that’s not a huge issue, the big issue is cosmog: it has a split evo line, and because colress fusion machine it has to hatch from an egg at level 1. Cosmog has the same issue as tyrogue/tyrogue/tyrogue preventing a triple hitmon fusion, and honestly idk how they’ll bypass that

[inland jewel]

make it so that it hatches out of the egg as a triple of the 3

no cosmog/cosmoem

[gray vine]

isnt that how it works anyway? triples are there own mons right, so i dont see how its much an issue to just have the triple be born fully formed

[hot hamlet]

They hatch as baby forms, so it would need Cosmog

At least of the ones that evolve

[gray vine]

yeah but would you need to do that

[hot hamlet]

Also would a Necrozma triple fuse be able to go Ultra? Normal fuses do…

[gray vine]

i dont think thats really part of it that they have to start at baby

[hot hamlet]

Starters do and that’s our only lead on triple fusions of mons with evos

[gray vine]

i mean starters naturally evolve, im just saying i dont think there is a law in the code that for that legend fusion they have to start with baby

[hot hamlet]

Of course Frog could just make the split evo into two level thresholds the triple has to attain

[gray vine]

just have the egg hatch a fusion of solg, lunal and necroz

[unkempt kernel]

I mean yeah you can probs do a lycanroc for cosmog

[gray vine]

this is about the triple not the natural mon

cosmog itself is easy, just evolve them by the time

but again, i would just ignore cosmog and cosmoem for when the triple hatches

just have it hatch as the triple of the legends and ignore the baby forms

[inland jewel]

I mean we have pass precident in the games where if you breed a snorlax. If he is not holding an Incense the thing that comes out of the egg is a Snorlax

so fully evolved mons have hatched from eggs before

[rugged temple]

Oh hey nice, golisopod got in

[stuck bane]

Yeah I’d think so, just have it be normal necrozma on the triple fusion and if it’s holding necrozmium and uses photon geyser it becomes the ultra triple fusion

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/malamar-laugh-inkay-pokemon-anime-gif-6716048103518857279

[inland jewel]

at that point i think it should evolve while holding the Necrozmium Z, so that its the Duskman Dawn Wing Necrozma triple

[alpine rune]

Fair argument

Ima bout to make a fossil digging propaganda again

[marble meadow]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=wF1dUCiqE8w&si=uLfcgOy9DPAgmBvV

rip bink

[gray vine]

this is fine

this is all that matters

[humble lance]

free them

[inland jewel]

imagine if this is the complete the missing expansion

where all counter parts/ last of mons gets in

[gray vine]

the 2 fossils would require 2 items and most likely a new location to meet the fossil nerd at

[humble lance]

what other counterparts are missing

the fossil items were already in the game at some point

shouldnt be difficult to re-add them

[gray vine]

[gray vine]

by new i dont mean entirely new just a different place for him to show up

[stuck bane]

Hooooo boy,

Well, for starters, p sure it’s more slots than we got, but unovan fossils 4, Camerupt 2, Lilligant 2, Gothitelle 3, oh shit maybe those are all the current counterparts

[stuck bane]

This please, this is my wish for 11/13 of the final slots, you can then add x and y duo after

[eager jungle]

Imagine the fusion using seviper and zangoose or whatever it's named, they'll be designed for 2v2 or something like that

[stuck bane]

Yeah but these slots would just be completing current counterparts. Zan and sev aren’t an issue since they’re a package anyways

For completing counterparts, we only need 11

[eager quarry]

dream 13
lotad line
zangoose
glameow line
archen line
skrelp line
yveltal
passimian
celesteela

Keep breaking up counterparts team

[stuck bane]

Ironically this is also 8 lines which lines up perfectly with the week that the update dropped last year too (assuming a reveal each weekend)

[humble lance]

not enough room for just one more counterpart which is paras and morelull but yeah

[stuck bane]

Paras and morelull are not counterparts

And who’s manectric of?

[humble lance]

houndour

[stuck bane]

Hmmmm fair enough, not “official” since cross Gen, others have better arguments, but I’ll accept manectric, we need more electric anyways

[hot hamlet]

By that logic Boufallant to Tauros. Or Gugalith to Geodude, or Coalossal to Rhydon

[humble lance]

tauros and miltank are counterparts tho

[hot hamlet]

And Boufallant is funky Tauros

[humble lance]

coalossal is gen 8

gigalith is just a golem replacement

[stuck bane]

I don’t think it can really be a counterpart if they weren’t counterparts in the Gen the earlier was introduced

[hot hamlet]

Doesn’t matter. It’s Rhydon made out of rocks

[humble lance]

lol

[glass patio]

chat is my icekarp sprite epic?

[hot hamlet]

Looks more like Jelly Karp

[glass patio]

true

[humble lance]

but yeah anyway i honestly wouldnt complain if we got this
pretty solid set of mons

pretty unova heavy but

[stuck bane]

I would love this update, more than plenty of unova rep to make up for last year, and they’re awesome picks that keep almost everyone happy. Everything here has SOMETHING people will like, besides maybe manectric being replaced by some other 2-slotter that fits better for number 500 like XY or a 1-slot plus victini, they’re all great

[humble lance]

nooooo but i like electrike and manectric

[dusty arrow]

real

[stuck bane]

They’re cool, but no way 500 is gonna be like manectric or some random Mon like that

[humble lance]

oh also technically electrike and manectric are also shinx line counterparts in a way
because of pmd

[stuck bane]

It’s gotta be something cooler

And I hate to say it

[dusty arrow]

give electrike an evolution between manectric and luxray a mega and sure

[stuck bane]

None of the unova mons listed are really 500 material either

[humble lance]

fair

[stuck bane]

Camerupt maybe because of hoenn bias?

[humble lance]

oh we need furfrou in pif
https://youtube.com/shorts/r6qszBxLjMM?si=ixaPe_zv8WlOE87A

[dusty arrow]

im making a new version of the poster

[glass patio]

furfrou could make cool stuff

[dusty arrow]

it shall be even bigger

[inland jewel]

Make him show up in Cianwood

we get Cianwood and it has a purpose

would make it thematic too since Carracosta is a turtle

would open up a beach for Wimpod to run on

a new place for Gen 6 starters to be found via a guy to give them

Alternatively make Olivine the place with the Gen 6 starters, since Light House

which could coincide with Lumiose city/Kalos

[dusty arrow]

THE NEW

IT ALL STARTED HERE

[bitter comet]

We’ve seen a bunch of ice type magikarp body fusion but there haven’t been any head fusions for it

[dusty arrow]

ikr

i need someone to make a head fusion

[bitter comet]

Bribe someone into making it

[dusty arrow]

i dont have money :(

[bitter comet]

Go steal some moneys then

[dusty arrow]

maybe later

[stuck bane]

Now that I know the origin of ice type Magikarp I suddenly have much more respect for it

But I can’t sprite…

Maybe I could do dex entries?

[hot hamlet]

In the dark here. Explain?

[stuck bane]

See above a bit

“Legend has it the first MAGIKARP was born from this POKéMON being melted. It’s thick icy covering seems to prevent any physical contact being made against it”

Alternatively,

“Legend has it the first MAGIKARP was born from this POKéMON being melted. It slides around on land much faster than it does in water”

@dusty arrow you decide which you like more

[dusty arrow]

true

i like it

[stuck bane]

Idk maybe an entry about gyarados fearing it?

“Legend has it the first MAGIKARP was born from this POKéMON being melted. All GYARADOS seem to fear it for some reason”

[bitter comet]

Wait, if ice type Magikarp is the ice type version of Magikarp then is there an ice type Gyarados?

[stuck bane]

No, of course not, that’s stupid, why would you think that

(Jk)

[bitter comet]

Magikarp evolves into Gyarados therefore ice type Magikarp should have an evolution

[stuck bane]

Well it doesn’t

We’re not giving this thing an evo it has defenses as high as shuckle

Eviolite ice type Magikarp, he says

Yeah, when Lechonk fly

[bitter comet]

He has wings now

Curse the see-through background

There we go

[sweet spoke]

how many mons are they gonna get in this game anyway
are we going up to the full natdex up to gen 7 or nah

[thorny ferry]

I can see wings but I don't see it flying

[thorny ferry]

I mean, it is possible, but I don't think the spriters could be able to make that many sprites

[sweet spoke]

they probably would though, given time

[molten latch]

[hot hamlet]

We’re going up to 500 after this update, not counting 6 slots set aside for alts, that means we have around 280-290 left. I ain’t diving into the math again, that hurt my brain and I kept getting different answers every time

[molten latch]

Especially some least favorite mons. . .

I mean I dont hate them.

[glass patio]

lmfao

and then you proceeded to spread ice type magikarp ig

[dusty arrow]

indeed

[glass patio]

this has so many reactions omg

[dusty arrow]

true

the middle 3 are from me lol

[glass patio]

this has way more tho

[dusty arrow]

yellow

[glass patio]

it’s my best sprite ever fr

[dusty arrow]

best sprite ever truly

[glass patio]

that’s why it has so many reactions

[dusty arrow]

even better than ice type magikarp

[glass patio]

(i actually think it’s my sprite with most reactions 💀)

damn in one month it’s gonna be my first anniversary of having a blue name or smth

wait anniversary isn’t the word right

it’s for more important events

nah

this is a very important event

fr

[dusty arrow]

truly

[junior slate]

As long as salazzle gets in as one of the remaining 20 or so, ill be happy

TEAM LIZARD

[finite reef]

Team 'Lets ruin competitive', lets add Heatran and the Tapus

And every Ultra Beast

And Victini for a second V-Create user

[noble widget]

Wait I just notice there is no Rowlett

So we dont have gen 7 starters?

[twin phoenix]

Nope, and no gen 5 starters either.

[simple marlin]

Why does no one talk about getting gen 9 pokemon for fusions that would be awesome

[next flare]

Gen 8-9 mons don’t work for the system the game is built with

[simple marlin]

Ohhh dang I didn’t know that will they possibly work in the future or no?

[next flare]

Very unlikely

[simple marlin]

Thank you for answering

[wanton grove]

What abt them doesn't work

[stuck bane]

Uhhh basically as far as we understand it, the system runs using Pokémon essentials Gen 7. This code can help ease the process of adding Pokémon by collecting some info about each Mon and making the process less tedious. Gen 8 really changed up the code and last time frog tried applying it, it broke the whole game. Theoretically, frog COULD manually add Pokémon, but that would literally take forever to get all the stats, moves, level ups, typing, stages, etc. in there. If somebody finds a way to add Gen 8+ mons without the need for manually doing it, then we might get them, otherwise, frog isn’t gonna spend his free time trying to make it work

[full bison]

Considering how the Move Expert is handled, it'll be less "Another V-Create user," and more "Replace one V-Create user with another."

When Pokemon that learn signature moves are added, that move is removed from the move expert

If we REALLY wanna screw with Competitive, we could add Swoobat and the Gen 5 starters for Contrary Serperior

[molten latch]

2 letters and on the 16th Poll. . .

You dont say. . .

[full bison]

2 Letters, and those 2 letters are LC?

[proud lion]

Little Cup

[full bison]

You Know who's the best LC Pokemon?

[proud lion]

It was ongoing for YEARS

[full bison]

MIENFOO BABY IT'S MIENSHAO TIME

[molten latch]

I mean there are smaller pokemon other than Mienfoo.

Like ths Ribimbee line.

[full bison]

Little Cup is a competitive format

and the best in that format is Mienfoo

[molten latch]

I know.

But idk which are the other options.

Unless. . . Swirlix

[molten latch]

But who knows?

[finite reef]

Competitive keeps the old move expert moves
Shore Up, Anchor Shot, Accelerock

[rain locust]

id just ban simple and contrary

[finite reef]

I don't think Swoobat would get Simple banned imo, it has decent speed but it has 77 special attack. Bibarel has 85 attack.

I'm not sure how egg moves work in IF, but the only way it gets stored power is via egg move

[full bison]

Swoobat's SpA isn't the issue with it. It's Simple combined with Speed

Combine it with a good Head like Volcarona and it has significantly better SpA while having Simple QD

[finite reef]

Volcarona is banned

[half needle]

more like volcarono

[full bison]

Is QD banned? Cause Volc isn't the only one who gets it

[simple gulch]

people ban all the fun

[full bison]

It's a TM, even

[simple gulch]

whats the strangest mon that can learn QD

[half needle]

quiver dance simple

[finite reef]

Yanmega (Apart from Volcarona)

[simple gulch]

i mean its a bug, not very strange

[full bison]

Simple QD would even turn Stored Power into a Base 140 move, as powerful as Boomburst with one turn of setup and +2 SpA

[simple gulch]

i would think like a Snorlax or smthin

[half needle]

oricorio probably

[full bison]

And don't get me started if Tail Glow is legal

[half needle]

but bellossom and lilligant are weird too

[simple gulch]

they dance thou

[finite reef]

Oh str@ngest, I thought you meant strongest. Oricorio doesn't get QD in IF

[half needle]

yeah but like

when i imagine a quiver dance

i imagine a bee dancing to communicate

or something like that

like a little bug abdomen wiggle

[simple gulch]

shaking butt

if it has butt, it can dance

[finite reef]

77 special attack really isn't that good though, you're better of running Plot on a better mon

And if you want QD, we have Hydremega

[half needle]

oricorio lacks a gluteus maximus and i dont even want to think of the implications of lilligant and bellossom having one

and pheromosa

[full bison]

Espathra is broken with only 101 SpA and only boosting with Calm Mind. Pretty sure there's a QD-er that can act as a head to get closer to that number, and that'll provide a +2 with Simple as opposed to a +1

[half needle]

yeah but it also has speed boost

which is like THE quintessential OP ability

[simple gulch]

they all have butt

[full bison]

Speed Boost is a factor, yes, but Simple QD Stored Power provides more immediate power than Speed Boost CM Stored Power. 140 BP running off +2 as opposed to 80 BP running off +1

[half needle]

i never noticed how strangely esparathra's official art is coloured on the outlines

[finite reef]

SV has some odd official artworks

[half needle]

it looks like its coloured like a sprite

but it looks good

unlike SOME pokemon

[finite reef]

Lokix is just... in a slightly different style???

[half needle]

lokix is kind of cool

[half needle]

rehehehehe

i dibs to sprite mewbat

[full bison]

Yeah I'd say that's a high enough SpA to make Simple QD OP

[bitter comet]

What do you view as the “SOME pokemon”?

[half needle]

he who shall not be named

[bitter comet]

Yeah, his design is a very mid lol

His first stage is one of my least favorite pseudo mons

[finite reef]

I forgot Mew gets stored power, ok that's a threat

[bitter comet]

If not the least favorite in general

[half needle]

his design is "yeah cool i guess" at best and its art looks stiff as a board

but

dont tell anyone i said this but

i like arctibax

[finite reef]

Coldest take

Pun not intended

[bitter comet]

Yeah, if only they had kept his posture and made him more intimidating and bigger

[finite reef]

Ice type Spinosaurus would have been cool

[half needle]

frigibax is hideous but could possibly have some charm, especially with the fun official art, arctibax is actually nice to look at and baxcalibur is a piece of wood

in all seriousness baxcalibur CAN look cool

lemme find the pic

this looks alright

[full bison]

I kinda don't mind the look of Bax considering I appreciate the classic Godzilla suit reference and the stiffness kinda plays into that, but I agree that could've been handled better

[finite reef]

It just has so small limbs so every pose looks stiff, unless they really put effort in

And the single back blade looks kinda dumb imo

[half needle]

hell even the model looks less stiff than the art

yes i know its shiny

it doesnt matter

[finite reef]

That looks so stiff

[half needle]

it still looks like a plank of wood, but like, a softer plank of wood

the art looks like a cardboard cutout

this looks cool

but 2 good poses is not anything to write home about

[finite reef]

It looks like they have back problems

[half needle]

who knows maybe they do it justice in the anime

[finite reef]

Every pose looks the same because of those terrible joints

[half needle]

baxcalibur arthiritus theory

my question is

[hot hamlet]

Well based on the stomach playing they likely sleep on their bellies

[half needle]

what are those red things on its arms

[finite reef]

Now I'm imagining one sliding around like a Penguin

[half needle]

what is the point

[half needle]

even if it did something charming like that, its not even a quarter of the charm of some other pokemon like snorlax

and that guy doesnt even do anything except eat and sleep

i know it sounds like i'm ragging on baxcalibur alot

but really

...

i am

fuck that guy

[hot hamlet]

Probably spikes to add to the clawing power. Or it evolved external claws instead of ones in the hands

[half needle]

nah im jk

[hot hamlet]

Why am I biologically analyzing a Pokémon?

[half needle]

its not the worst pokemon

[half needle]

thats the fun part

[hot hamlet]

Gimmie Nother

[half needle]

galvantula

[hot hamlet]

People liked Joltik so it grew to accentuate the cute bits

Kidding

Let me get a pic

[half needle]

ok guys next rant

look at this thing

this

is so

fucking

CUTE

i love it

I LOVE IT

[finite reef]

Ok good

[half needle]

i got a female one

named it muffet

[finite reef]

Wasnt sure if that was going to be a hate or love message there

[half needle]

was excited to see what it evolved into

god i wish

i could go back

[hot hamlet]

Too bad it evolves into a stick bug that I couldn’t care about (despite like, six layers of clever design)

[half needle]

to that blissfull unawareness

because when my PRECIOUS LITTLE MUFFET evolved

THIS

UGLY

SONOFABISH

WHY

WHY DID THEY MAKE THIS

WHY DOES IT LOOK LIKE THAT

[finite reef]

Chopstick arms

[half needle]

at least the art is KIND OF cool

and this is kind of cool lookin too

maybe it woulda been better if it was always on the ground

but NO

[hot hamlet]

Based on a real spider

[half needle]

we got THIS

[half needle]

why couldnt muffet have evolved into something cool like THAT

this THING is more ugly the more i look at it

back to tarou

[hot hamlet]

Btw just love the casual lore drop that they set their webs as tripwires to fend off Scyther

[half needle]

cool ass shiny

AWESOME shiny

[finite reef]

S tier shiny

[half needle]

love it

so cool

ANMD THEN

[finite reef]

Spidops shiny is cool too

[half needle]

THIS MAKES ME WANT TO VOMIT

[hot hamlet]

Awesome shiny, failed to hunt one successfully (tarountula)

[half needle]

the unsaturated grey and the unsaturated pink and then the saturated red

it makes me nauseous

it makes me

well

i dont have to say it

its BAD

i DISLIKE

immensely

[finite reef]

Desaturated cyan, pink and red is a unique colour scheme, I like it

[half needle]

and you can trust when i say a shiny is bad because my favourite shiny is glaceon and thats apparently top bad shinies to everyone else

[finite reef]

Its a good shiny when it actually has contrast

[half needle]

i just wish my poor muffet got the evo she deserved

she was a good tarountula

[full bison]

Spidops makes me upset because there's tons of cool things around it but none of them come together well at all

It's concept of a spy spider is cool, it's design is hideous

It has a cool signature move and neat abilities, it has Ledian-tier stats

It's a bunch of stuff that's individually neat but none of it comes together at all

Every single other spider Pokemon is cooler than it. Yes, even Ariados.

Easily my least favorite Gen 9 Pokemon, and that game introduced Iron Jugulis

[finite reef]

It gets Sticky Web, Circle Throw and a signature move, they clearly tried to make it decent

[full bison]

It could get Adaptability First Impression and I don't think it'd be saved. Those stats are... yikes.

I just checked and First Impression's one of it's Egg Moves. I'm sure quaking in my boots from the First Impression running off of 79 Attack. Sure making good use of Stakeout with that.

[finite reef]

It gets 3 very low distribution moves, an old signature ability, and it's own signature move... only to be absolutely garbage

[compact orbit]

cries in using a Spidops in a Nuzlocke only for it to die to an overleveled (for me) Veluza

I’ll miss Kelly

[finite reef]

Poor route 1 bug, destined to die

[full bison]

Stakeout hurts so much because it's an ability with so much potential- potentially enough to warp the meta- and it's on a bunch of mid-to-awful Route 1 Foddermons. The best Pokemon with it is Mabosstiff. Who people only ever talk about in reference to it's position in the story mode, that's how little people note it's competitive relevance

Stakeout in theory: "Oh lord, that Pokemon probably has Stakeout, but it has a good matchup against my current mon! If I switch in my counter, it could end up taking too much damage and falter as a counter. I could sack off my current mon, but what if I need it later? Do I have anything I can afford to lose?"

Stakeout in practice: "LMAO I'm not gonna be switching out against that thing."

[storm rose]

I wish grumpig had prankster or something to make it a little viable

[finite reef]

It probably isn't even that good with it, see Meowstic

[simple gulch]

its bc psychic is not good with prankster ( cant prank dark, cant deal damage) further more it doesnt have many useful status move ( only thunder wave)

[inland jewel]

They knew that in a switch heavy game mode like VGC, Stakeout would be devastating

So they balanced it by distributing it on weak mons

Good thing PIF showdown can make it useful

[finite reef]

Exactly. It does have dual screens at least

[dim sparrow]

You can fuse it to give it more moves and stats

[finite reef]

By all means, its a good trade to have 1 less usable pokemon in the box until late game, for an incredible pokemon late game

[glacial vigil]

Grumpig has some bulk at least, not the worst typing for bulky mons

But Espeon > other psychic types (in my heart)

[finite reef]

Espeon for offensive/fast magic bounce, Xatu for bulky magic bounce, Alakazam for general offensive psychic things with magic guard, Celebi/Mew for Quiver Dance
Any other good psychics? (That actually pass psychic, Jirachi/Metagross doesn't count)

[stuck bane]

Oh you mean like psychic heads? I’ll check

[finite reef]

Heads or bodies, as long as they pass the psychic type

Thought this was #showdown-teambuilding lmao, I shouldn't be talking in both at once

[stuck bane]

Sigi is only psychic type with access to tinted lens,

victini brings focus energy, final gambit, and a few unique fire moves like incinerate, flame charge, and flame burst,

Swoobat brings unaware (besides cosmog) and simple, and is the only psychic head that can learn heart stamp, and brings assurance

Gothitelle brings shadow tag (besides wobbuffet)

And malamar brings contrary, that’s all I got in my notes

Aaaand of course now I learn you meant Pokémon currently in the game

[finite reef]

quickly adjusting topic to hide our mistakes What psychic type does everyone want in the game? For me, it's the cosmog line

[twin phoenix]

Oh man, V-Create with Contrary is gunna be dopey.

And is Dragon Ascent a thing? It was introduced in ORAS.

[stuck bane]

Cosmog is a strong one, honestly all the ones above I’d want after looking up everything they bring to the game, Bronzong could be fun, musharna, beheeyem, hoopa would be fun, and it seems like Blacephalon would also be fun

[twin phoenix]

Bronzong has.. Heatproof..?

[stuck bane]

It already is, entei fusions can learn it as a tutor move and lurantis/entei have been wrecking competitive

[stuck bane]

Yeah, either that or levitate iirc, which is our next best alternative to heatran being added

[wide merlin]

i hope than the next pokemon leaked are soon, wait one week for golisopod are long but wait every week for seeing one thing are more boring

[stuck bane]

That’s approximately how it was done last year, so each Pokémon has a “week of hype” worth of sprites

||unless you said that because you also know the leaked Pokémon? ||

[finite reef]

Yes, it's ||Mewthree||

[stuck bane]

Thank god for spoiler warnings

And I’m not the one who gets in trouble

[finite reef]

I didn't want people to be caught off guard by such a shocking and outrageous statement

[stuck bane]

They’re gonna be more caught off when it’s true

[finite reef]

One of the new mons being a fan-mon would be hilarious

[stuck bane]

Anyways, if we got the entirety of Gen 7 in, and weren’t planning Gen 8+, and were 1 slot away from an even number, like 849 or something, do you think the final addition would be missingno or ice type Magikarp or mewthree?

[finite reef]

It would be alolan Exeggutor

[stuck bane]

Honestly yeah you’re prob right, the only Gen 7 regional that could pass the guess the fusion issue

And guess what

ANOTHER DRAGON

[trail hull]

For gen 7 regional variants diglett could pass since people have to keep the hair for pirouette meloetta then they can for diglett

[finite reef]

Body fusions wouldn't be different enough

[stuck bane]

Yeah but pirouette has much more different than the hair, and alolan Diglett has only like, 3 strands to differentiate it from regular Diglett, I feel like dugtrio could work but it’s held back by Diglett

[grave jolt]

Body Fusions keep the hair I imagine

Cause that's the only visible difference in the outline tbh

Alolan Golem line has the same issue, where only the final Evo really stands out.

[twin phoenix]

I curse Alola for sending me a shiny Geodude I wasn't prepared for..
But I also bless it for finding a sister for my shiny Kantonian Sandslash.

[grave jolt]

Ninetails doesn't even get that lmao

[alpine rune]

If you guys wanna know whats the next pokemon, its gonna be ||Mega Charizard Z||

[grave jolt]

Would be neat if there was a story line about how the regional governments have been doing their best to keep alternate forms from spreading, since the canon lore is that the regionals are all invasive species.

[civic harness]

Hello again, what did I miss?

[trail hull]

The week went fast soon well get an other reveal

[stoic sluice]

I didn't entered this chat for a few days. So what people think the next mon would be?

[simple gulch]

monkies

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-mob-riot-torches-pitchforks-gif-5859895

[civic harness]

Slurpuff, Gogoat, Macacos or Minior

[stuck bane]

S… Something for sure

[civic harness]

I really like to be here seeing all the chaos that could make an reveal

[civic harness]

Probably

[sterile spoke]

It will be Ribombee because that's what I want, and I bullied The Frog into doing what I want. 😛

A man can dream. 😅

[stuck bane]

Ribombee would be hype

[civic harness]

We know, we do

[elfin forge]

I hope we get the Spheal line but we'll probably get something else

[civic harness]

Well... maybe they make another expedition with the submarine so...

[round light]

Exploud...😭😭😭

[next flare]

Macacos?

[civic harness]

Monkey

[stuck bane]

Imagine all the reveals are just variations of the submarine, Eelektross, Relicanth, Clamperl, Torkoal, jellicent, carracosta, etc.

[worldly sail]

I wonder how many people read that thing

I just scrolled till the end thinking I'm in the wrong server

[silent acorn]

Ele monkeys

[silent acorn]

Macacos for the cultured

[dusty arrow]

dont forget ice type magikarp

[silent acorn]

I actually find it hilarious you managed to convince many of em to make sprites

Guess it works

[dusty arrow]

i didnt convince them lol

they pretty much did iton their own accord

[silent acorn]

True

Lol

[dusty arrow]

dont forget about https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1286003608617484349

[silent acorn]

I dunno man I just find it funny

Man delphox still slaying goddamn are those sprites beautiful

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/elgyem-pokemon-psychic-cute-hi-gif-27186815

[stoic sluice]

Elemental or alolas ones?

[simple gulch]

all

[stoic sluice]

More monkeys

[simple gulch]

return to monke

[molten latch]

[finite reef]

It would be funny if they only added Panpour and Simipour

[dark prism]

pansear isn't real he can't hurt you

[stuck bane]

Nah that’s what most people want, funny would be adding the worst one, one Pansear and simisear

Oops all monke:
Elemental monkeys 6
Darmanitan 3
Oranguru/passimian 2
Medicham 2 (meditite is next closest)

[steel meadow]

why is meditite catching strays

[stuck bane]

Is this not kind of a monkey?

What would you pick Zeraora and something else?

[steel meadow]

if i hit my hard really hard and then look at this picture while dizzy then maybe yeah thats a monkey

(oh you specifically tried to add 13 monkeys, im dumb)

[stuck bane]

Ye

Man 11 is coming up a lot, total ultra beasts, remaining dragons, missing counterparts, remaining monkey mons

[steel meadow]

I was gonna say add zarude

but that dumb b is from gen 8 apparently

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/oogway-master-oogway-turtle-kung-fu-panda-master-gif-21324433

[timber spear]

Do the new pokemon get announced every week or no

[molten loom]

[timber spear]

So it's random

[molten loom]

Whenever frog wants to announce them

[steel meadow]

I would assume so but yeah we dont know

[tender plank]

not comfirmed yet, as only 1 pokemon released, there's no pattern yet (but hopefully it's weekly)

[timber spear]

No there have been like 17 released

[tender plank]

out of the ones the 15 empty slots left after kalos announcements

i meant

[timber spear]

Oh ok

[compact orbit]

Lose the “ey”, and sure

[molten loom]

2 slots were used for wimpod line, so we have 13 left to find out

[tender plank]

ikik, hope the next announcement comes soon so we have a defined pattern

[stuck bane]

Last year was each Friday/weekend, so I would assume the same, leading into an early November ish release for the update

[trail hull]

I Hope the next mon isn’t too hard to sprite

[stuck bane]

Define hard to sprite

[trail hull]

Necrozma , golisopod, kommo-o and that kinda stuff

[steel meadow]

kommo-o golisopod

[half needle]

good news it's solgaleo

[stuck bane]

Mmmmm I don’t think it’ll be as bad as those two, but I’m not a spriter

[half needle]

god if only

[steel meadow]

so ur hoping for luvdisc

[half needle]

i NEED cosmoem in the game rn

[half needle]

that would be nice

i can think of some cool luvdisc ideas

imagine luvdisc/decidueye and it's cupid

[trail hull]

I want luvdisc bye like medicham line is easier then stakataka

[half needle]

yes i know deci isnt in (yet)

[steel meadow]

i feel like most good luvdisc sprites would be alted

[steel meadow]

medicham is easy!?

[half needle]

technically each brick in stakataka is a different entity so you could just draw one brick

[steel meadow]

i see that weird humanoid thing and my brain goes poof

[trail hull]

I sais easier

[trail hull]

Lmao

[timber spear]

Stakataka+palosand = castle

I need the ultra beasts so I can put buzzwol and machamp together

[molten loom]

[trail hull]

I want to see ntm do buzzwole/machoke and incineroar/machoke

[timber spear]

Yes

[trail hull]

Also buzzwole busy would make every mon buff

[timber spear]

Buff bedrill

[celest bobcat]

3 days late knowing Wimpod got in IF

Congrats

[timber spear]

Yay

[trail hull]

Pod got unlucky but finally broke the curse

[molten loom]

Technically it didn't break the curse of 2nd place

[steel meadow]

pod didnt even break the curse

frog just said no

[molten loom]

Frog took pity on it

[trail hull]

It broke the curse of never getting in the game

[full bison]

So who's gonna be the perpetual silver medal this time around? I'm thinking Vikavolt

[molten loom]

Most mons not in can be said to have that curse

[trail hull]

Might be spheal or gogoat

[steel meadow]

Spheal seems like a very good candidate for always being close

[trail hull]

Yes but goli was one of the closest to come in game for a while but was unlucky

[trail hull]

It’s cute but last year it was 6th place and this year too , while being loved there are some more interesting mons so if frog doesn’t add it here it might get this curse

[timber spear]

I need the seal ball

[steel meadow]

Honestly id be very suprised if the goat even makes it in this round

[trail hull]

Next year/time frog adds a batch I want him to tease a mon but it’s always the other one and end up being the final addition

[full bison]

I feel like Gogoat might end up winning a Spriters Choice contest considering how much hay has been made around it by some of the spriters

[trail hull]

If it don’t it will have plenty of sprites for next time

[trail hull]

There are no contest that do that to my knowledge

[full bison]

I swear I saw something like that

[trail hull]

You might be confused

[steel meadow]

It already does

[trail hull]

Yeah but plenty more

[steel meadow]

Its getting another one in the next day or so from yours truly

Im revealing it in my next HOF

[trail hull]

The only problem with gogoat takeover is that if someone leaves the discord or become inactive whenever gogoat joins those sprite won’t be able to get in

Modred being sneaky but U saw you

[steel meadow]

Every goat in the sheets would be presumably be posted by the last man standing i hope

[trail hull]

To my knowledge it’s against the rule

[molten loom]

Ah like Palossand

[steel meadow]

Even if we give our permission by putting them on the sheet?

[trail hull]

Yes but for the entire batch and not a small part

[trail hull]

If we give permission then ask a sprite manager for the right

Also if gogoat makes it in this year I hope you join team gogoat Seb

[full bison]

I actually went and bought a sketchbook and some pencils to try making some concept sketches, but I dunno what I wanna make. Maybe something with Nihilego but I dunno what to use as the body

[trail hull]

Staryu

[molten loom]

#announcements message

[trail hull]

Guys how many mons do you think will be reveal this week? I think 2 (2 stages line) but there’s a lot of chance it’s a 3 stage

[steel meadow]

I definetly will keep spriting goats untill our taleneted artists stop making concept art for it

So yes i'll join team gogoat

[half needle]

3 stage split evo

[molten loom]

I do wonder how the sun/moon legends would be done

[molten latch]

Wait really?

[steel meadow]

what are some of you other favorites?

[molten loom]

Since it's a legendary that has a split evo

[trail hull]

Clamperl ?

[half needle]

since when is clamperl 3 stage

[steel meadow]

its split

[trail hull]

There’s 3 mons

[steel meadow]

and theres 3 of them

[full bison]

Just add Burmy, have it take up like 7 slots and leave us with 6

[half needle]

yeah there's 3 but there's not 3 stages

[steel meadow]

Is there even a split evolution with 3 stages left?

[half needle]

real

im talking about COSMOEM i want COSMOEM

[steel meadow]

alright what about wurmple

[half needle]

wurmple is nice

he can join

[molten latch]

Can Nebby Join too?

[steel meadow]

thats literally the only 2 3 stage split evolutions left

[half needle]

I JUST SAID COSMOEM OH MY GODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[molten latch]

Oof

I see

[full bison]

I'm down for the Cosmog line cause that make the UBs more likely in the future

[half needle]

i just want cosmog and cosmoem

[steel meadow]

why do you want them so badly

cool head mon?

[full bison]

Feel like Legendaries would be revealed more towards the end of the list

[half needle]

yeah

theyd be alright bodies too

[half needle]

true

im gonna shrink these arts now in case i forget to do it tomorrow

[molten latch]

If Ribombee did make it on the list or any Gen 7 mon, it would be amazing.

[full bison]

I definitely feel like between the 2 remaining Boxart legend sets, people generally like the SuMo ones more

the Kalos legends look cool but don't do diddly in the story

[molten latch]

So ashame I can't use legendaries on my nuzlocke because its cheating.

Same goes as Dragonite for some no reason.

[sweet spoke]

pew

:3

[molten latch]

Being the only one pseudo of my Gen 1 gameplay

[sweet spoke]

I mean you could probably limit yourself to one

It’s your nuzlocke

you make the rules

[molten latch]

True

But since its Gen 1, I guess I have my restrictions then.

[sweet spoke]

Well it’s gen 2 tbh

[molten latch]

And Dragonite is hard to level up unless Rare Candies

[sweet spoke]

You can go to Johto

[molten latch]

True. I get to use either Dragonite or Tyranitar

[sweet spoke]

Unless you’re intentionally limiting yourself to certain generations

[molten latch]

Yeah but Ill make it Gen 1 to restrict using dragonite.

[half needle]

SKITTY SKITTY SKITTY SKITTY SKITTY

[molten latch]

Thats Crabomidable

Wrong picture

[molten loom]

Imagine doing a cult thing and summoning the wrong thing

[half needle]

is this better your majesty

[molten loom]

Mr crabs needs cat ears to do it properly /s

[silent acorn]

Right picture

That's Purugly

[glass patio]

y know i just thought of a joke alt for porygon/minior

so there’s this geometry dash level

yeah thats pretty much it

idk how many people here know what’s that level

[silent acorn]

What's that game?

Looks old

Like you

I could guess geometry dash but I am not sure

Looks kinda like paper Mario?

[glass patio]

also like i’ve only seen a single gd sprite

[silent acorn]

The lone fan of geometry dash

[glass patio]

😔

[silent acorn]

Hey it's worse being the only Bakugan fan

[molten latch]

Hey

I'm a Bakugan Enjoyer

[glass patio]

https://tenor.com/view/gd-geometry-dash-tidal-wave-my-honest-reaction-gif-10118803229811805653

[molten latch]

https://tenor.com/view/wochien-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-cursed-images-my-honest-reaction-gif-5359670189486873357

[glass patio]

uhhh yeah add minior for epic gd reference to the fifth level of the fire gauntlet

[velvet root]

Good ol 100kilo me did something for team Gogoat

I walked up a damn mountain today!

[glass patio]

you’re the goat man

[velvet root]

I started at 1600~ and walked up to 2100~

Both meters

If the signes were correct

For some its nothing
I on the other hand never walk up mountains or long trails

Oh and I saw a Marmot

[next flare]

I wish I lived near mountains like that

[velvet root]

It was a work trip XD
I drive like 2 hours for that

Sooo Gogoat when now?

[next flare]

I think the rest of the goat team needs to climb the mountain to make it official

[velvet root]

Ngl I think they would XD

If we say the main people

[steel meadow]

bro i would climb that mountain for free

i live on the flattest plain europe has ever seen

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/penguins-of-madagascar-skipper-kowalski-analysis-analysis-madagascar-gif-23546606

[weak trellis]

nice nice, I've done a few climbs when I've been out to denver

as for distance my job has me averaging about 40-45 km a week (thanks GO for tracking it lol)

[trail hull]

It’s worse being a yokai watch fan as the seri is pretty much dead aside from a few Japanese mobile game

[stoic canopy]

I did play one yokai watch game. Felt like a bootleg digimon game.

[silent acorn]

Where is the commemorative plushie?

[silent acorn]

True dat

[silent acorn]

Honestly Digimon is middle ground between Pokemon and Shin Megami Tensei

It's like the sweetspot between both

Only thing I hate is the lack of cohesiveness of digievos which is the Shin Megami part I don't like

I prefer when the progress feels linear and natural

I know there is remoraid but I ain't counting that one

[raw relic]

ehm guys... when greninja? when my beloved urshifu...
I have some wild fusion fantasies about them yk...

[tender plank]

greninja will be soon

[stoic canopy]

#announcements

[molten loom]

Greninja next update, urshifu never

[tender plank]

although you might have to wait longer for urshifu
quite long actually
perhaps even half or a full decade if unlucky

[molten loom]

Or never

[tender plank]

yeah that too

[molten loom]

Better to say never than get their hopes up for gen 8+

[silent acorn]

Greninja approved no in yet because not all has been revealed. Urshifu never

Ever

Forever

[silent acorn]

Nah if unlucky 100 years

[half needle]

that would be cool too

[silent acorn]

I do like it.

[raw relic]

what about ... lunala (we already have necrozma...)

[silent acorn]

Makes pretty good chonk cat

[molten loom]

That one is a maybe, it's up to frog

[silent acorn]

Staff discretion, we mere puny lame degenerate morts get no say

[raw relic]

😦 somebody srs gotta step up to help frog...

I would if I were at least half of the dev he is...

[molten loom]

He doesn't want help if I'm not mistaken

[silent acorn]

Frog is fine

We are fine without Gen 8+

Don't even have the other gens in

[raw relic]

true... there are so many cool mons

[stuck bane]

It’s a passion project of his and he does it for free in his own free time

[silent acorn]

And he will desintegrate anyone who forces the hand of the mighty froggo

He will pass the Judgment of the Amphibian

[stuck bane]

Also for no reason, how much would we say being a part of this server advertises Nintendo?

[silent acorn]

Around

40%

Makes you appreciate each mon more

[half needle]

someone needs to develop a gen 8+ to gen 7 pokemon code translator, not just for frog but for the greater good

[silent acorn]

It's uh.. Complicated

[half needle]

no, i dont know if thats possible, thanks for asking

[silent acorn]

It's more to do with something else

[stuck bane]

Damn guess im out then, no way am I advertising Nintendo after the blatantly corrupt lawsuit they’re doing

[silent acorn]

It's only 40%

[stuck bane]

Vote with your wallet and shit

[silent acorn]

I never said it gives them 100%

More like you are AWARE, not specifically forced to get anything nor speak for them

[stuck bane]

Yeah but any % of support is bad, they’re literally trying to retroactively accuse someone of a crime when the patent didn’t exist yet

[silent acorn]

Hmmmm

Consider this

It's not creating new mons

Not making new things outside what exists

It's also from a pretty old concept that has not copy

[stuck bane]

It’s still advertising pokemon, whether it be referencing mons of future gens through fusions or whatever

[silent acorn]

That being Fusion

[silent acorn]

Hm

Well as alts maybe

But as mains nope

That's why they changed the rules probably

Fair thing

Nintendo is suing and investigating palworld

But something has yet to come out

[clear lichen]

The palworld situation is frankly crazy, half the people I know believe 100% that Palworld is stealing models and the other half believe the exact opposite

[silent acorn]

I think

[clear lichen]

Along with some accusations of AI art or something idk

[silent acorn]

PIF falls on parody less on modification and creation

[stuck bane]

Some info has come out, I haven’t gone fully in depth yet, but what seems to be happening is Nintendo created a patent for “throwing an object at something” and it went through, they did this in august, and they’re using that patent to sue a game that was made in January, before the patent

[silent acorn]

Prism and Uranium fell more on modification and creation

[silent acorn]

Well that's a dumb patent

[stuck bane]

Even the American legal system makes it very clear you can’t retroactively accuse people of breaking crimes when the law against it didn’t exist at the time

[silent acorn]

Does that encapsulate throwing bottles and rocks at something?

[glass patio]

i’ve heard the thing about them using pokemon models for the pals

can’t know if that’s true

[clear lichen]

Some of the accusations are frankly stupid and others seem plausible idk

[silent acorn]

Thing Is

Base 3d models aren't a problem to use

Specially as they are very easily malleable

Meaning you change them from what they are, example a circle to something else

[clear lichen]

Situation's crazy though

[stuck bane]

If it’s the one from twitter it’s false, they altered the models to make them seem more comparable (but there were a few things like primarina hair that were too close and changed after an update)

[silent acorn]

Copy is a real pain

[clear lichen]

Anyways, why are y'all talking about Nintendo lawsuits

[stuck bane]

Because they dropped one against palworld today

[clear lichen]

This doesn't seem very new-pokemon-discussion y

[silent acorn]

Courage worried about the level of advertisement this game sorta gives Nintendo

Nintendo

[clear lichen]

The one against palworld I kinda saw coming with how many people found them suspicious

[outer matrix]

I had a dream where a reveal was done via a "guess it's key features" from other Pokémon already in the game

[silent acorn]

It is suspicious then again, since Pals are 3d can't say it's 1:1 same

[clear lichen]

Not surprised Nintendo found it suspicious as well

[silent acorn]

One of the things you can't copyright is the basic concept of a shape

[clear lichen]

Well, we'll see if they get copyright struck now

[stuck bane]

You have no idea what we’re talking about do you? New lawsuit has nothing to do with models or ai, this lawsuit is based on a patent created after palworld’s release

[stuck bane]

It’s not copyright infringement it’s patent infringement

[silent acorn]

Just because you have a word that is copyrighted doesn't mean you can't use the same word along with another thing

[clear lichen]

Eh close enough

[silent acorn]

Happened to No Man's Sky

[clear lichen]

It's suing

I dont really care about this situation

And haven't in a long ass time

[stoic canopy]

Digimon games are a strange mix. Because I’d agree with you if we’re talking about survive or hacker’s memory. But the world titles are like their own beast.

[silent acorn]

DS world has same battle interface as the DS shin Megami Tensei DS games

Similar atleast

[clear lichen]

All I know is that people thought that Nintendo would come after palworld and it finally has

[silent acorn]

Palworld has cash for the battle I think

[stoic canopy]

I was thinking more story tone then gameplay

[trail hull]

@spice sage how do you decide which mons comes into this batch ? Do you pick your favorites ? Or do it randomly?
Also how much money would want to add luvdisc into the game

[silent acorn]

Thing will probably take years to solve

[silent acorn]

I think he wants 9T

[stuck bane]

They do but they’re worried about that cash being diverted into frivolous lawsuits instead of building up the game

[silent acorn]

This always happens ya know

[glass patio]

he’s gonna add luvidsc for free

[clear lichen]

Hopefully the companies won't be as stupid as their fans because I've seen a bunch of idiots on both sides during their arguments

[trail hull]

[stoic canopy]

It’ll probably never get to trial anyway.

[silent acorn]

Nintendo looks like Monopoly King to many anyway

No rep to protect anyway

Who knows how long they'll hold out with that strat anyway

[stuck bane]

That doesn’t make it right, I’ve heard Nintendo doing plenty bad before but this is the equivalent of monster hunter creating a patent in 2024 and using that as grounds for a lawsuit for the red and blue games

[clear lichen]

"This is what every Pokemon fan wants" to shoot their Pokemon with a gun?
"Palworld is a rip off Pokemon" How????? It's a lot more similar to Ark????

[silent acorn]

Anything monster raising catching is similar but not same

If anything their inspiration comes from a real life activity

Raising cattle

Catching bugs

[stoic canopy]

More along the lines of a mutilplayer open world game rather than Pokémon with guns

[trail hull]

If you went to shoot mon with guns just adds cobblemon and a gun mod

[silent acorn]

This

[clear lichen]

From what I saw on early Palworld gameplay, it's a lot like Ark in many ways

[silent acorn]

Like that's what it is

[silent acorn]

Multi-player Open world survival game

Something which mind you

[stuck bane]

Welp. No point in staying around for nothing, enjoy the other reveals guys

[silent acorn]

Nintendo has refuse to make Pokemmo for decades

[clear lichen]

Riding creatures, shooting them with guns, glitchy-ass boss battles, making your creatures breed with their children to create the perfect war machine

Stuff like that

[silent acorn]

Only sticking to traditional

[clear lichen]

At least, that's what I've heard of

[silent acorn]

Traditional as in common matchmaking 1 V 1, 2 V 2

Thing is

[clear lichen]

And I've seen a lot of Ark youtubers try it out which only really furthers this impression

[silent acorn]

They are turn based

Anything that takes the action rpg genre is a different thing

[stoic canopy]

If anything they’ll remove/change some designs on the pals. Cus that’s like the only real case they may have.

[clear lichen]

Anyways, this isn't really new-pokemon-discussion

[half needle]

ok so here's what ive gathered

pokemon got a patent to throwing creature capturing devices in the overworld in 2022
palword started development in 2021, but released in 2024

so although it might not be fair, it might actually go through

[clear lichen]

I'm just adding to a conversation I saw tbf

[silent acorn]

Cashy blueprints NOICE

[silent acorn]

In... The overworld?

[clear lichen]

Anyways, I'll probably be going to sleep now lol

[silent acorn]

But only turn based has an overworld

[half needle]

yeah, like in PLA

[silent acorn]

Open world is a different thing

[half needle]

you know what i mean

PLA style

[glass patio]

i love seeing these conversations that have nothing to do with new pokemon

[silent acorn]

I get this but... Hm

[half needle]

i can send you the link to the patent theyre suing over if you want, i dont wanna clog up this channel with unrelated stuff

[silent acorn]

Alrighty

Not what I was thinking is that they kinda shot themselves on the foot

Because throwing

You could have feed and then recruit or just plain recruit huh

Neat

[half needle]

its such a "we want to get money by suing people" patent

[silent acorn]

Now I can make fruitmon

[silent acorn]

It is honestly

Anyway skitty

I disapprove

Because

We need MOAR whiskers

[half needle]

[silent acorn]

You know that's the only bad thing I see from skitty actually

[stoic canopy]

When seedot? For get Car, embrace seed.

[silent acorn]

It's a cat without whiskers weird

[half needle]

you want whiscash?

[silent acorn]

Pretty interesting

[half needle]

i'd eat

[silent acorn]

What's a wishcash? That a money ritual or smth?

[half needle]

don't insult my boi like that

[stoic canopy]

And also a catfish.

[silent acorn]

What's a delcatty? Is it a delicious cat? Can I eat it?

[half needle]

HELP WHY IS IT LIKE A FUCKING FNAF GAME BOX ART

[silent acorn]

Mascotty design :V

Squiggly eyes

[stoic canopy]

“Calling whiscash at 5AM”

[half needle]

he's a qt and also water/ground

1 weakness W

[outer matrix]

Well, where is he at?

[stoic canopy]

Well, one weakness and also wooper exists. So why would anyone ever want it.

[silent acorn]

Because it's less derpy than whooper?

[spice sage]

I pick mons that I think would add interesting gameplay or fusion elements mostly.

[silent acorn]

Also because it's not a...

[shut hedge]

two silly guys instead of only one silly guy

[spice sage]

And at least 10k

[silent acorn]

OH ITS GOD

[trail hull]

Thank you for your answer

[shut hedge]

hi god!!

[silent acorn]

Atleast 10k? As in people who want it?

Oh 10k as in...