pif-hoenn-discussion

[fathom ridge]

Luvdisc at least is only one Mon

[stuck bane]

Yeah and slots don’t matter anymore, no code issues anymore

[prime dust]

unfortunately...yes

[fathom ridge]

There are no codes issues anymore?!? So like it is now easier to add new mons than before?

[stuck bane]

Well, afaik, code changed how fusions and slots work, allowing more slots. Frog and others have confirmed the number of slots is somewhere in the thousands, so there’s room to add everything, it’s just a matter of time and motivation

[fathom ridge]

When did frog say this

Also smoliv will be in one day

[green laurel]

that code change has been a thing for a bit now
i think like 5.0

[grave jolt]

1. No more slots as of last year
2. No gen 8+ regardless

[green laurel]

it was something like the fusions where hardcoded, and now they arent
dont quote me tho

[fathom ridge]

That makes sense bc it would explain why new mons were super tedious to add before

[fathom ridge]

I think I heard that gen8+ was considered for when they add all mons before gen 7

[grave jolt]

Adding Gen 8+ would require a complete engine upgrade, so probably not.

[green laurel]

it wouldnt

[fathom ridge]

I think the engine supports custom Pokémons, that’s why is possible but harder

[inland jewel]

we clown on the Monkeys being the last pokemon added but i wonder

[fathom ridge]

Like if there was a RPG maker engine it would make sense to make custom Pokémons posible

[fathom ridge]

They are a solid option for last

[green laurel]

for gen 8+ it requires frog to add the code for moves and stuff

but its not impossible

[fathom ridge]

Is revival blessing even possible in this engine

[grave jolt]

Which we have been told won't happen unless someone else does it.

[fathom ridge]

Someone else could do it

[green laurel]

idk what that is

[fathom ridge]

The gen 9 move that revives one of your mons

[grave jolt]

Revival blessing makes explosion teams actually viable again

[green laurel]

ok, its still not impossible

[inland jewel]

if Frogman continues his "tradition" of adding the least voted mon in, I wonder if there will be a time the Monkeys are last and they get added

[grave jolt]

It's just almost certainly not going to happen.

[green laurel]

i dont know anything about how the code works for stuff like that

[green laurel]

ya

low but never 0

[inland jewel]

if Frogman or someone else gives him the code for Revival's Blessing

becasue the codebase he uses doesn't have it in the engine

[fathom ridge]

Volbeat and illumise were the least voted soooo

[inland jewel]

yee which is why i have them in my predictions

[grave jolt]

Not technically impossible, just improbable to the point of being a rounding error.

[fathom ridge]

Claydol so low?!?!?

Ah wait

I just realized what that list is

[inland jewel]

no, this is the predictions of what i think is coming in the 13 slots to 500

[fathom ridge]

Do you think bronzong is going to get in

And vaniluxe?!??

[inland jewel]

I think mods are going to push for Bronzong and Vanilluxe this time around

[grave jolt]

Bronzong/Metagross fusion when

[white meadow]

guys i hope they add lurantis and pelipper into the game

[fathom ridge]

Tbh there are too many controversial picks there

[grave jolt]

Lurantis was already announced

[inland jewel]

well we have news for you sir

[fathom ridge]

Lurantis? Oh boy 👀

[white meadow]

omg imagine how adorable most vanillite fusions would be

[inland jewel]

My reasoning is, Mods will pick Bronzong, Vanilluxe and Minior. Frogman's choice will be Barbaracle and his Tradition will add in Volbeat and Illumise

[grave jolt]

For the next major update can we have a weather fix pls

[velvet root]

I have kinda good news for you

[inland jewel]

Tropius is because of my copium

[fathom ridge]

I personally wouldn’t really like vaniluxe that much tbh

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/vanillite-sorbebe-vanipeti-pokemon-gif-19575051

[fathom ridge]

What about vikavolt? It got fifth in the popular vote

[inland jewel]

i added them because it will appease Slurpuff food fusions while also giving us Snow Warning on a mon that isn't hidden ability

and I hate abombasnow so...

[white meadow]

wait, fr??

yippee

[fathom ridge]

Check #announcements

[grave jolt]

I mean, if I can catch it before swim I'll use it. Not many ice types, and only 3 available before swim.

[white meadow]

AIT

WAIT

THEIR RAFFLING FOR MIENSHAO

AAAA IM STIMMING ELNEDSKJFNSKFNK

[grave jolt]

That was a weak ago. We got Carbink

[white meadow]

oh

womp

[fathom ridge]

Ohhh now I have bad news

[white meadow]

one day

one day

[fathom ridge]

I have to make my own list, no one has vikavolt smh

[velvet root]

Vikavolt is good but eh

Im not a fan of spriting it sadly

[fathom ridge]

I can only hope

[fathom ridge]

But the car battery

[velvet root]

I mean I hope you can have it but yeah

[inland jewel]

he adds the castelia cone event and it gives people Vanillite

[fathom ridge]

Well thanks for that

[inland jewel]

makes it like the Castelia cone event where you only get it every wednesday or something

[terse fable]

I'm still thinking that most of the mons coming in are going to be runner ups in the vote or winner polls, unless they announce more wacky events to put votes in towards new mons

[tender plank]

What a fantastic list! I agree with all of these options! Whoever made this must truly be based. (It was me, I made it lol)

[fathom ridge]

Golisopod has very good chances in that scenario

Vikavolt fifth, in can cope

[inland jewel]

now time to make a list of what I want in the 13 mons

[fathom ridge]

No wonder the turtle was in there lol

[fathom ridge]

15* there are two missing slots

[grave jolt]

Random normal 3 stage evo pokemon every week, with the first being the Vanilice line

[inland jewel]

I say 13, because 2 of the 15 is practically Volbeat and Illumise

[terse fable]

Like I'm not 100 but makes more sense then random picks when it seems Frog has been caring a lot about community consensus, more or less anyways lol

[fathom ridge]

Did you use a program or something to make it

[tender plank]

I love being the loudest Tirtouga fan

Paint.net

[fathom ridge]

please no

[white meadow]

ok but like

[inland jewel]

its Frogman's tradition to add the least voted mon of each poll

[white meadow]

if we have volbeat

we can have tailglow pokemon

[inland jewel]

last year it was Bruxish, the poll before that Stunfisk

[fathom ridge]

Ah well at least is not the monkeys

[velvet root]

We actually loose tail glow mons

[tender plank]

True that

[white meadow]

?

[grave jolt]

Reshiram and Zekrom are removed

[white meadow]

wdym we lose tailglow mons

[velvet root]

There are move tutors that teach some mons signature moves from others that arent in the game
When the mon of the move gets in the others loose it

[white meadow]

ooh

[fathom ridge]

Is only fair to have a sacrifice for volbeat

[white meadow]

burn el volbeattle

[fathom ridge]

Volbeat has some “decent” potential for heads

[unkempt kernel]

Hmmm, squirrel

[white meadow]

i wonder how cute a vanillite + sylveon fusion would be

[unkempt kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/pachirisu-cute-shiny-pokemon-squirrel-gif-26992650

[white meadow]

aughh PLEASE GIVE US THE VANILLITE LINE

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/squirrel-squirrel-with-a-gun-gif-2268997743238870683

[terse fable]

I was lowkey hoping to get the customization update before new mons were added cause I know that usually takes awhile, but not looking like thats happening

[unkempt kernel]

Pach + Genescet or Remo

[fathom ridge]

maybe the new 13 mons wont be in the new uodate, idk tho

[velvet root]

I mean he said it in the beginning of the votes too

[velvet root]

They will

[fathom ridge]

also YOU CAN GIVE HATS TO YOUR MONS isnt that better than any new mon?

[terse fable]

That's what I want lol

[velvet root]

The whole customization update thing is the only reason I want Furfrou now
Cuz it is THE customization pokemon

[velvet root]

Best feature ever

[fathom ridge]

trueee they should relase the update with just that before the new mons

[terse fable]

huh I must of missed that, regardless kinda lame cause that parts already done just gimme lol

[bitter comet]

Is it really better than Golisopod? /hj
(But seriously, this is epic and I can’t wait for it to be added!)

[fathom ridge]

i would REALLY enjoy the tophat furfrou, i really like the idea of giving more fusions tophats 🎩

[velvet root]

Thats another really good point
I like top hats

[bitter comet]

The ability to make all our mons fancy ✨✨

[tender plank]

Speaking of, Furfrou NEEDS to be added this update, customisation is literally their gimmick!

Let them shine in their own frontier!

[restive sentinel]

anyone know how to get amaura?

[velvet root]

I have a weird feeling that frogman fucks it up (the timing) and doesnt add Furfrou

[fathom ridge]

Write that in #ask-a-bot

[velvet root]

#playthrough-talk

[restive sentinel]

mb

[terse fable]

The hats on mons made me so hyped i can't even explain it lol

and I was really just wanting to make my character look cool

[fathom ridge]

yeah like i could never have thinked of that and i just LOVE it

like i was more exited when they announced that in the stream than the kalos starters lol

[terse fable]

outdid themselves with that one for sure

[tender plank]

Real, can't wait to give my Aron that funny little pan hat.

[velvet root]

Ah yes when people thought thats fake

[terse fable]

lollll they should do streams daily imo would love to see the run continued

[velvet root]

I wonder how many hats exist

[fathom ridge]

yesss pory best streamer

[velvet root]

His bad jokes remind me of my Comfort youtuber

[fathom ridge]

i liked it when he said poop

[terse fable]

Pory reminds me of Chuggaconroy kinda lol

[velvet root]

Also lovely that he showed that skiddo is in Yesterday and even used a base from the Goat gang

||definetly not fake but it is fake||

[fathom ridge]

i still dont understand the black magic that your friend used

[velvet root]

I still dont understand how you guys didnt figure out who it is

[fathom ridge]

is it frogman?

no way lol

is it you?

[velvet root]

Nah
But you guys wrote with the friend multiple times already XD

[velvet root]

Nuh uh

[molten loom]

Same

[sick edge]

Wait does that mean IF mods exist???

[fathom ridge]

is it... pory or megaman?

[velvet root]

No

[velvet root]

Nope

[fathom ridge]

does the name start with a character on my keyboard

[velvet root]

Probably

[fathom ridge]

my keyboard has a special funny letter

[velvet root]

That probably isnt it

[terse fable]

it me

teehee

[velvet root]

You wish

[terse fable]

[velvet root]

Here
Have a Goat

Or do you guys prefer a pretty Goat

[inland jewel]

List of what I want

(Illumise/Volbat) is guarenteed so thatswhy they're there

but everything else is what I'd choose

[fathom ridge]

lilligant other than that, uhhhhh well i like lilligant (livanny is also good)

[lime sorrel]

I will accept anything but I just want darmanitan lol

[clear lichen]

Same honestly

[sick edge]

Where are you guys finding the IF tierlist???

[fathom ridge]

ball fire monkey, hmmm yes

[inland jewel]

[sick edge]

Ty

[inland jewel]

you do have to filter out the ones that have gotten in already

since thats the tier list from last year before they added stuff

[clear lichen]

Fire monke with funny sun calc

[inland jewel]

I mean, i know my choices aren't popular (3 of my favorite mons are bottom 3

But I got Kommo-o this time around so I can be a litle spoiled

[inland jewel]

Hard walled by Alomomola

[fathom ridge]

im going to do my list of 15, and it will be objectively correct fr fr fr

[clear lichen]

252+ Atk Choice Band Sheer Force Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Alomomola in Sun: 276-324 (51.6 - 60.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Nuh uh

[inland jewel]

T1 wish, T2 protect

[clear lichen]

If you can't switch in safely, you aren't a hard wall

A hard wall would completely stonewall whatever it is hard walling to the point that not even perfect prediction could get that mon in particular pass the wall

Unfortunately Darmanitan has piss poor defences and mid speed but funny calc=good

[inland jewel]

I mean, Alom could probably punch thorugh him

[clear lichen]

(Darmanitan is not in fact good but it is funny)

[clear lichen]

No shit, look at bro's defences

[inland jewel]

depends on if its Gen 7 IF or NatDex gen 9

because Chilling water would make or break

How much would a Waterfall Alom do to it?

in sun

[clear lichen]

It doesn't make or break shit, either you can't swap Alomomola in because of Sun, or you win the 1v1

Because if I'm being real the only way Darmanitan breaks pass Alomomola is if it swapped in on a Sun boosted Flare Blitz, but the fact that it can is hilarious enough to satisfy me

Not quite a hard wall but unless you play like a buffoon you should win that 1v1

[inland jewel]

true

[clear lichen]

The only Pokemon I can think of in OU that'd hard wall Darmanitan in Sun is like

Dondozo?

[inland jewel]

Gen-9 metagame where we got all these threats and then theres just funny Alom who walls physical attackers

does Unaware ignore sun-boosted and sheer force moves?

because Unaware specifically says ignores stat changes

[clear lichen]

252+ Atk Choice Band Sheer Force Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Dondozo in Sun: 217-256 (43 - 50.7%) -- 3.9% chance to 2HKO
Not quite a hard wall nvm

[inland jewel]

banking on 4% though

[clear lichen]

Also this is only feasible in NatDex

[clear lichen]

If you give RNG a chance to screw you over, it absolutely will

That said, this hinges way too much on having Sun and a Choice Band

Especially on a slow frail Fire type

But it is funny

[clear lichen]

(More so mid speed but whatever)

Anyways, putting Darmanitan in IF would be funny because now anyone can use a funny big calc

[terse fable]

Still hoping somehow, in someway, one more dragon type squeezes in

[clear lichen]

Which one even

[terse fable]

https://tenor.com/view/drampa-pokemon-thinking-confused-gif-22448973

this one

[clear lichen]

Ok

[terse fable]

the one that matters

curse you kommo

ruining my bois chances

[stuck seal]

Hey guys can u recommend a Pokemon fusion as a starter

[terse fable]

Prob ask in #fusions or #general

[lime sorrel]

yea that 140 attack is really quite funny

[fathom ridge]

new-pokemon-discussion was probably interpreted as discussions of new pokemons to add in a play-through

[inland jewel]

well the remaining dragontypes are Drampa, Turtonator, Drudigon, Dragalge, off the top of my heads

if they don't include Legendary and Mythicals

[lime sorrel]

I'd prob prefer dragalge cause I'm wacky

[terse fable]

I'm also okay with turtonator, cause turtl

[lime sorrel]

yea that too

[inland jewel]

We hit our Dragon quota this year, come back next year

but if i had to choose one then I'd def choose Drudigon

[wet cliff]

Eternatus

[terse fable]

But Drampaaa old man left outside 😦

[inland jewel]

Drampa canonically will burn your house down if you make their trainer cry

[terse fable]

good

loll

[agile olive]

so funny that cosmoem is both the smallest and heaviest pokemon

no way nebby could be carried in a bag

[fathom ridge]

we have hit our dragon quota for like a decade, there are like 80 percent of all dragon types while most types are at like 60-55

[terse fable]

I always forget about cosmoem until someone mentions them

[fathom ridge]

ok maybe we can have room for drampa

[molten loom]

Ok that does increase my rating of it

[tropic wigeon]

add drampa 🙏🏻

[inland jewel]

Drampa also adds a unique ability

Berserk

which iirc, maxes out your SpAtk when you hit half helath

[bitter comet]

Boss fight ability lol

[spare dagger]

Hmm… Belly Drum + Berserk

[wet cliff]

Fuse it with Slaking

[inland jewel]

okay nvm, its not max out, its only raise by one stage

BUT, i think it activates each time you get to half health and not just once

so if you have healing you can activate it multiple times

[terse fable]

Drampa is cool I'm tellin ya lol and only one slot so plenty of room for everyone elses fav monss

[wet cliff]

Add Slack off/recover on there too

[inland jewel]

drampa stats

[wet cliff]

Special attacker with an attacker ability?

Oh nvm

[tribal halo]

Drampa has many great possibilities.

[paper tartan]

Drampa burns down the houses of the insufferable

[sick edge]

Here's my list
top is "I love these pokemon but have any hope for them getting in this time"
and the second row are mons I love but I can see actually getting in

[terse fable]

ahhhh amazing list 🙂

[paper tartan]

Pls move xerneas up 🙂‍↔️

[fathom ridge]

here is my prediction with a bit of realism

[compact orbit]

Where’s the love for my boy Hippoudon

Or Camerupt

[paper tartan]

Wats the goats name again

[compact orbit]

Gogoat

[fathom ridge]

sorry but you have an uphill battle, its for a good cause tho

[inland jewel]

Skiddo

[inland jewel]

based Vikavolt

[fathom ridge]

my beloved rail gun beetle and car battery

[paper tartan]

They really adding gogoat before diancie

[compact orbit]

Hey, we already have Carbink confirmed

So there’s that

[paper tartan]

This is where the issue lies

[inland jewel]

my first Sun run I used Vikavolt and Magneton

imagine my shock that I had to wait till the last island to evolve them lmoa

[fathom ridge]

do you mean magnezone

[inland jewel]

yee

Shockfried my beloved

[compact orbit]

Robocop

[fathom ridge]

i had vikavolt in ultramoon and magnezone in moon

[compact orbit]

Quite literally, because of mystery dungeon

[fathom ridge]

trueeee mystery dungeon cop magnezone is so cool

[compact orbit]

I love his cry as well

[terse fable]

https://tenor.com/view/heracross-pokémon-heracrosd-focus-punch-pokémon-focus-punch-heracross-uses-focus-punch-gif-26603919

if we could be so lucky

[fathom ridge]

how would you write it

[compact orbit]

Werwerwerwerwerwee

[fathom ridge]

WeiweiweiweiweiWOOOEEEEE

[compact orbit]

Onomatopoeia is fun

[alpine rune]

My Based opinion:

[fathom ridge]

are those... all the posible mons?

[compact orbit]

Yes

[molten loom]

I disagree, Cherrim line should be burned

[terse fable]

https://tenor.com/view/impress-based-american-psycho-very-based-impressive-very-based-gif-21665669

[molten loom]

For their crimes in Legends Arceus

[clear lichen]

Unironically based

[fathom ridge]

you should not include one and make someone specifically mad

[sick edge]

based

[compact orbit]

Some people want to watch the world burn…

[terse fable]

good meme

[clear lichen]

I mean I've been pretty vocal about thinking that no Pokemon should be left out

[terse fable]

wait for zerocipher and remove gogoat from list

[fathom ridge]

eventually, hopefully every mon will be in the game

[alpine rune]

You mad man

[clear lichen]

And also expressing my dislike for expert move tutors because it removes a reason to add a Pokemon

[fathom ridge]

they can take their sweet time with the monkeys tho

[clear lichen]

Which is most apparent on Volbeat

Who's gonna be voting him when Reshiram also learns Tail Glow now

[fathom ridge]

the only mons that you disliked were babys right

[clear lichen]

Yeah

[compact orbit]

Good. Burn the children

[clear lichen]

Still can't do much about it though, if you add a Pokemon you add the entire line (except for Gen 8 and later mons due to technical limitations)

[fathom ridge]

you hate babies

[clear lichen]

Even if I'd rather they not exist, they do

[clear lichen]

Yes

[compact orbit]

Me as well

[clear lichen]

Most of them

Most of them really don't have a reason to exist apart from indirectly nerfing the line

[fathom ridge]

im saving this in my computer

[clear lichen]

And Wigglytuff didn't need any nerfing

[compact orbit]

Just to be clear, we’re talking about real life babies, right?

[clear lichen]

What no lol

[compact orbit]

Oh..

[terse fable]

based af lol

[clear lichen]

I only hate fictional pocket monster babies

[compact orbit]

And I only hate real life living noisemakers

[fathom ridge]

dont worry, im sure he hates those too (/j)

[clear lichen]

No but seriously in what world did Wigglytuff line and Chimecho need prevos instead of evolutions

[fathom ridge]

chimecho can still evolve tho

[clear lichen]

Among most others

[clear lichen]

Yeah that's what Chingling is only like 3rd in line

[fathom ridge]

and igglybuff is just so tiny

[clear lichen]

The 1st and 2nd would be babies from 3 stage evolution lines of varying levels of shitmon status

[terse fable]

I think baby mons are great for lore/cuteness, bad for gameplay lol

[fathom ridge]

well thats what PU is for

[clear lichen]

At the top of my head the only babies from 3 stage lines that aren't from shitmon lines are like

Cleffa and Happiny

[clear lichen]

Wigglytuff and Electivire wished

Heck, Electivire can't even make it to PU because it gets used in higher tiers despite being painfully bad

[fathom ridge]

unraked powercreep is hard man

[civic harness]

Hello there

[clear lichen]

The only babies that are actually being ranked based on their actual design for me are Togepi and Riolu because those guys weren't just awkwardly tacked on after their evolutions existed

Ig Tyrogue too since like how else are you linking the 3 hitmons

[fathom ridge]

munchlax is also good right?

[clear lichen]

Toxel as well ig

Is Toxel a baby Pokemon? Idk

[fathom ridge]

i think it is

[terse fable]

https://tenor.com/view/teddiursa-pokemon-wooper-magby-gif-22614869

[clear lichen]

Nah

It isn't in as bad of a situation as the others though

Since it's in a 2 stage line and at least Snorlax used to be good

So it's not too terrible

[fathom ridge]

gen 2 OU and UBER number 1 lol

[clear lichen]

It is very famous for that, and being the arguable best (but in most players' eyes 2nd best) in RBY

[fathom ridge]

isnt tauros the king there

[robust niche]

https://tenor.com/view/ferrothorn-pokémon-ferrothorn-metal-claw-pokémon-metal-claw-ferrothorn-uses-metal-claw-gif-26386686

[clear lichen]

That's why I said arguable best but in most players' eyes 2nd best

[robust niche]

peacekeeping ferro bonk

[fathom ridge]

yeah theres like a big 3

[clear lichen]

Had a niche in Gen 3 OU, but judging by Smogon's DPP Snorlax page it was struggling a lot in Gen 4 OU

[fathom ridge]

he is already in the game! why is he attacking us?

[clear lichen]

Snorlax has been on a downwards spiral since Gen 2, that's for sure

[fathom ridge]

yeah with powercreep and all is surprising that there even is a gen 1 ou in gen 9 (dragonite)

[clear lichen]

Dragonite is better in Gen 9 than Gen 1, easily

Multiscale is part of the reason, the other is Tera

And yknow Espeed

[fathom ridge]

yeah he is eating good

[compact orbit]

Hurricane probably helps too

[clear lichen]

Not really

[compact orbit]

Oh

[clear lichen]

Unless I'm stupid, Hurricane Dnite does not exist

[compact orbit]

Well I don’t play competitive, so..

[fathom ridge]

how good are you at competitive pokemon? i only know some stuff from youtube

[clear lichen]

Dragonite is usually just gonna be running a physical set with HDB

[clear lichen]

Idk :/

[fathom ridge]

elo in shodown?

[compact orbit]

Doesn’t it also get thunder though? Would that make it useful in Rain?

[clear lichen]

I go between thinking I'm absolute dogshit, thinking I'm average, and thinking that I'm dogshit but most people are worse

[clear lichen]

It varies about as much as my thoughts on my own skill

Mainly because I cannot for the life of me just not lose every braincell I have under pressure, and then get the worst luck in existence

[fathom ridge]

mine is consistent bc i dont really play

[clear lichen]

Assuming I only lose half my braincells and get average luck, I think I'm average?

But I suck at teambuilding

That's a big factor

[fathom ridge]

competitive pokemon has to be one of the weirdest strategy games

[clear lichen]

Also, mid ladder is very painful since your opponent is either never gonna try to predict you or try to predict you every turn

I've gotten to high ladder like once or twice before

Though one of the times was in NatDex Ubers which doesn't count

[fathom ridge]

whats "high ladder"?

[pallid spindle]

It’s so chaotic it’s somehow balanced

[clear lichen]

Yknow, honestly it kinda depends on the ladder

So I can't give you a concrete answer

[clear lichen]

Balanced? In my Gen 9 OU?

Unthinkable

[fathom ridge]

kingambit my beloved, he rules the tier with an iron fist

wasnt kingambit almost banned

[clear lichen]

Kingambit used to be very problematic

[pallid spindle]

Balance dosent exist in pokemon

[clear lichen]

But with how unstable the tier currently is

We cannot tell

But it certainly isn't the most problematic mon anymore

[fathom ridge]

bisharp still has a niche in UU right?

[clear lichen]

The only time it was the most problematic was like directly before DLC 1 iirc

[clear lichen]

Maybe before the DLCs

Not right now though, afaik

Bisharp was OU just one generation ago

[quartz torrent]

kinggambit is like the most popular mon

[fathom ridge]

im sad smoliv isnt good in LC, my poor boy

[clear lichen]

I think an important distinction to make is the difference between viability and uncompetitiveness

But that's not really a #pif-hoenn-discussion thing

[fathom ridge]

yeah the conversation derailed

ummm... vikavolt, yeah

[clear lichen]

I think the best way to find out what I mean by that is by looking at the 2 Landorus forms

But yeah not a new pokemon discussion kinda subject

Vikavolt would be cool to have in IF

[fathom ridge]

well now you have to tell me

[clear lichen]

No

[fathom ridge]

ill say vikavolt every 2 messages

[wet cliff]

I love bisharp

[clear lichen]

Anyways, Vikavolt has a singular good stat

[fathom ridge]

based

[clear lichen]

The rest of its stats are average or poor

But like

145 SpA lmao

[wet cliff]

Which mon is vikavolt again

The bug one?

[molten loom]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-vikavolt-charjabug-gif-9816156

[fathom ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-vikavolt-charjabug-gif-9816156

[clear lichen]

It doesn't have Sticky Webs yet

[wet cliff]

Railgun mon

[clear lichen]

Which is unfortunate

[fathom ridge]

yes, and its pre evo is a car battery

[inland jewel]

Using vikavolt for webs is bad

[clear lichen]

But it being an Electric type with Levitate is a good thing to have

[inland jewel]

With its 45 base speed

[clear lichen]

You're using Vikavolt for Webs, not on webs

[fathom ridge]

quickclaw vikavolt has to be infuriating for both sides lol

[wet cliff]

Vikavolt is like volcarona tier for me

[inland jewel]

A web setter with 45 speed is bad

[clear lichen]

That's what it does in lower tiers once it gets Webs

[inland jewel]

Is what I’m saying

[fathom ridge]

acceptable opinion

[clear lichen]

Alongside yknow hitting hard as shit

[fathom ridge]

would it not suck in trickroom in VGC?

[clear lichen]

If you look at Vikavolt's sets in later generations, they do tend to recommend Sticky Webs, but no point talking about it since it doesn't get Webs in Gen 7

[lime sorrel]

my epic gaming list

[clear lichen]

The main talking point is Electric type with Levitate, that gargantuan SpA and Roost, I'd imagine

It does get Volt Switch

So that's nice pivoting

[fathom ridge]

vikavolt high yipeeee

[clear lichen]

With actual damage

[lime sorrel]

vikavolt is freaking sick

[wet cliff]

I love bug Pokémon

[lime sorrel]

bug is my favourite

[clear lichen]

Though you don't like being blocked by ground types, you kinda wall ground types right back if you have the correct secondary type

You do have Roost after all

[lime sorrel]

energy ball is really funny too

[fathom ridge]

he is ZU in gen 9, damn

[lime sorrel]

oh noo I can't tbolt? better explode you

[clear lichen]

Apart from that, it is a fucking railgun bug

[wet cliff]

Me when pinsir

[clear lichen]

So that's reason enough to vote for it

[lime sorrel]

real

[fathom ridge]

yes it already got fifth in the vote so im c hoping he gets added

[uncut cape]

real

[clear lichen]

It is important to note that Vikavolt's Bug type does seem to be a positive thing in lower tiers

[fathom ridge]

really

[wet cliff]

I wish remoraid got a regional or new evo to lean into the cannon/gun aspects more

[clear lichen]

The thing they mention here is how Bug Buzz can hit Grass for SE

[lime sorrel]

I will absolutely make a darmanitan poster in case we get voting back

I usually play assault vest vika

[clear lichen]

And it puts dents in other Electric resistant targets as one might imagine

cough cough 145 SpA

[fathom ridge]

epic, well now i have to go to sleep goodbye everyone!

[wet cliff]

Shedinja moment

Man

Dustox is cool

[clear lichen]

Really seems like the only options Vikavolt has in Gen 7 are Energy Ball, Tbolt, Volt Switch, Bug Buzz and Roost

[wet cliff]

We still don't have a bug dragon type yet do we

[clear lichen]

You don't have Webs yet which is sad

[wet cliff]

I'm not Spiderman

[clear lichen]

Mainly talking about Vikavolt, I just use pronouns like "you" because its not like Vikavolt is sentient and playing its own showdown matches for itself

Slow pivoting is nice

[wet cliff]

I can't believe theres no moar ant pokemon

[clear lichen]

Idk what else to say apart from the tiny fact that Vikavolt is a flying railgun and that's all you need to know to vote for it

[stuck bane]

Durant? Also I think leavanny might be loosely based on some kind of leaf cutter ant?

[wet cliff]

Guh

[clear lichen]

The reason to vote Darmanitan is because big damage=big dopamine levels

[stuck bane]

Yep

[clear lichen]

It's a simple math equation

[stuck bane]

Yeah I think ana had that as a reason too right? Sheer force combined with a move it gets or something?

[clear lichen]

Sheer Force Flare Blitz is extremely hard to switch in on especially with Sun and/or Choice Band

[wet cliff]

Fire ape

[stuck bane]

Oh no just sheer force on a fire type, still good though

[clear lichen]

With the caveat that Darmanitan has mid speed and low bulk, though its high HP allows it to not implode completely upon hitting a Blissey

Darmanitan also is a Fire type and thus weak to Stealth Rocks

It's a flawed Pokemon, no doubt, but who cares, it does big damage and that means big dopamine levels

You don't want to be on the receiving end of a physical move capable of 2HKOing Alomomola on a resisted hit

Fusions could certainly help it out

Hey why when Darmanitan is great at trading 1 for 1 nobody uses it but when Mega Banette does it everyone loves it

Darmanitan doesn't even take up a mega slot

[stuck bane]

Because Gen 5 hate and Gen 3 love

[clear lichen]

Probably wrong

[stuck bane]

Probably also stealth rocks in the meta or something, or speed or ghost or whatever

[clear lichen]

The real answer is because ladder felt like it

[clear lichen]

Mega Banette is far slower than Darmanitan

[stuck bane]

Oh then no excuse unless shadow sneak is that good on mega ban

[daring burrow]

o hey

[clear lichen]

People see Prankster Dbond and spam it, then get punished for doing so by Toxic, or just waiting for it to run out of PP/fail from multiple consecutive uses

Not to say Darmanitan is good

[daring burrow]

kalos starter will be added

neat

[clear lichen]

Just saying Mega Banette sucks

Anyways that's the end of my off topic rant

[daring burrow]

hopefully alolan starter also added

[stuck bane]

No no, very good reasons for darmanitan

Gen 5 continuing to be the black sheep and everyone is blind to it

[clear lichen]

Looks, I love the funny sun calc monkey

And the massive damage it can pull off

[daring burrow]

wonder if the trio monkey will be added

[clear lichen]

But it still isn't good competitively

[stuck bane]

“GeN 5 IsNt UnDeRrAtEd AnYmOrE”

[sick edge]

Gen 5 rep would be awesome

[clear lichen]

2HKOing Alomomola with a physical fire move is cool and all but when you have 95 speed and 55 defences you need a lot more than that to be good

And unfortunately all Darmanitan has are the funny sun calcs

[prime dust]

we'll make it so if possible gen 8+ mons try to get added before them

[clear lichen]

Still top tier because it's funny though

[prime dust]

the monkeys are that disliked

[daring burrow]

it just for the lul

[stuck bane]

We literally have enough empty slots as 2 regions combined, every Mon from this next 15 could be all unova and we’d still be above 100 remaining, 30 above next highest alola at 70

[clear lichen]

I love seeing people swap in their water type wall on a sun boosted Flare Blitz

[daring burrow]

iif so hope they added dragapult

[stuck bane]

He’s lying monkeys aren’t that bad (to most people in this channel), hell it didn’t even make the bottom 5 of this vote kommo won

[clear lichen]

252+ Atk Choice Band Sheer Force Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Swampert in Sun: 256-302 (63.3 - 74.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Sheer Force Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Alomomola in Sun: 276-324 (51.6 - 60.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Sheer Force Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Rotom-Wash in Sun: 314-369 (103.2 - 121.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Sheer Force Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowbro in Sun: 224-264 (56.8 - 67%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Sheer Force Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex in Sun: 177-209 (58.2 - 68.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
I love clicking buttons without thinking!!!
OK, I'll stop being not on topic now fr (because I'm going to go to sleep)

I could've showed a max physical bulk Rotom Wash calc

But that'd just be like the others

Actually I could just say that this is my form of convincing people to vote for a mon

Votes are over though

So nvm

[eternal timber]

Monkeys arent bad but there’s definitely 13 slots worth of better picks

[daring burrow]

like solgaleo and lunala

[civic harness]

15 slots

We dont know the 2 miss numbers

[eternal timber]

Based on where those numbers are they’re likely either 2 mythicals or meltan and melmetal. Maybe type null and silvally

So those slots specifically have a very narrow range of possibilities

They’re also definitely already picked

[daring burrow]

salandit and salazzle might also added

we need more poison typing

[civic harness]

Or maybe the The Bruxish Situation

[eternal timber]

I doubt those 2 slots are any of the Pokemon eligible in the vote

Just based on timing

And the fact that the raffle probably could have been any of those vote eligible Pokemon

[sick edge]

Silvally would be so COOL

[daring burrow]

or better
xerneas. yveltal, zygarde

[green laurel]

I need zygarde

the fusion must be complete

[high haven]

I saw the news, I'm excited

There's a good chance Seviper can get in now

[stuck bane]

If we’re only going off the spriter vote there’s a chance. It’s still only like, 15 slots out of nearly 350, it has a chance to be anyone else too

Competition is tough

[high haven]

It is, Golisopod, Salazzle, Excadrill & Vikavolt from the top 5 just to name a few

[molten loom]

Did you see the news of putting hats on pokemon?

[stuck bane]

Easily the best news we’ve gotten so far, game changer for my nuzlockes

[molten loom]

I think it's the best possible news

[high haven]

Really?

[molten loom]

Yes

[high haven]

Oh damn.

[molten loom]

We will be able to manually place hats on pokemon after a quest in Pewter

[alpine rune]

I didn't see the stream. Is it like player hats that you put on Mons or another set of Pokémon hats

[molten loom]

Player hats

[alpine rune]

Miku wig here i go

[silk narwhal]

Fuck yeah

[stuck bane]

I don’t think references are allowed, but just change it up a little and say it’s ace trainer hairstyle from Gen 5

[molten loom]

Miku fairy hair and outfit already exists

[wet cliff]

No fucking way Kantonian miku

[stuck bane]

Oh because it’s Pokémon related, oh that’s actually a good reason

[molten loom]

Fairy type miku if curious

[stuck bane]

I didn’t understand how deep we could go

[alpine rune]

Yea ik, I'm happy I can just make custom non official hats for Mons now

[alpine rune]

Also yea that too

[stuck bane]

500 Pokémon, multiplied by the ways you can put hats on them

[zealous lichen]

so what colors are left?

[molten loom]

Of the roles, none

[stuck bane]

Multiplied by themselves because fusion

[molten loom]

They're dead

[outer matrix]

Imagine how cursed it would be depending on the hats

[stuck bane]

All deleted

[zealous lichen]

oh dang lol

[stuck bane]

Or, still there, but white now

[wet cliff]

Dugtrio

[zealous lichen]

well back to just being a spriter

[molten loom]

I sacrificed them to become an applicant /s

[silk narwhal]

Alright now we gotta make wigs for the remaining 17 types of miku

[alpine rune]

The colours really threw people off. Like I didn't know you're actually an applicant lmao. Hope it goes smoothly for you

[wet cliff]

Poison type miku

[molten loom]

My plan as soon as I got the role was to cause chaos by acting like blue was fading

But my plan was foiled by the colors actually disappearing

[outer matrix]

Going to make my Pokémon wear a pan on their head to reference pvz

[wet cliff]

Atticus drip

[molten loom]

Well Fairy Miku is hair, not a hat so it can't go on the pokemon

[alpine rune]

I haven't made my own fairy miku

[wet cliff]

Wig

[molten loom]

I'm going to give them the pan as a weapon

[alpine rune]

Procrastination is an addiction

[wet cliff]

I was procrastinating sleeping once

[molten loom]

Also normal miku hair

[molten loom]

Hole is because of pokeball

[outer matrix]

the only trainer customization I have made is a reference to parallel canon from splatoon 3

[molten loom]

Ah I keep forgetting to mention the other new thing we saw in the 6.3 stream

Scrolling through pages of dex entries

For ones that go on too long and can't be read fully

[zealous lichen]

it sounds like this next update is going to be absolutely massive

[molten loom]

Here is a picture of it from the recording adonis recorded

[twilit hedge]

I HAVENT BEEN HERE IN AWHILE AND I SEE THIS

[alpine rune]

Oh someone done it

[molten loom]

But it's just normal hair so you can't put it on pokemon

[zealous lichen]

@molten loom is there any of the events or teams you are going to join when you get approved?

[alpine rune]

I can't find a way to fit the hair with the default pose so I just scrapped my project

[molten loom]

[alpine rune]

Obviously it would be aegislash

He's a sword

[molten loom]

Also a picture of what it looks like to put hats on pokemon

[alpine rune]

A fire sword at that

[zealous lichen]

fair enough lol I dont really work with any particular teams myself but the Theme Blitz can be quite fun

[alpine rune]

Tbh there is no pressure for you to join any teams, I never participate in the Blitz. It's just there to share common favourite Pokémon I feel

[zealous lichen]

oh I know lol

[molten loom]

And what it can look like

[alpine rune]

The silly

I can't wait for the update now

[zealous lichen]

it will be a big one

the absolutely insane amount of sprites being made atm is great

[umbral river]

That's neat, finally able to read the whole dex entry

[feral bear]

https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1281725144875929600 new child dropped today, carbink sweep yall 💎

[zealous lichen]

very nice

[unkempt stone]

So when do we think the next reveal will be

Tomorrow or the day after tomorrow

Or maybe sometime later

[zealous lichen]

I doubt there would be one tonight so maybe tomorrow

[terse fable]

I loveee thisss

[unkempt stone]

Carbink fusions so good

[zealous lichen]

they have been absolutely stellar

[unkempt stone]

Yeah I figured given one hadn’t happened earlier so I wasn’t at all thinking one would happen today

[unkempt stone]

I had a feeling the little guy would soar in terms of fusions

[zealous lichen]

it is best as a head but a few bodies have been nice

[unkempt stone]

Yea

I feel quite a few mons fall into that category

Like Spiritomb

[zealous lichen]

yeap

right now I am working on a Ninetales/Laurantis Fusion

[wind viper]

i am so happy lurantis got in

(i may or may not do a full playthrough of infinite fusion with only lurantis)

[velvet sinew]

I just want Ribombee in. I can think of all the cute possibilities.

[sick edge]

Oh that's super cool! coincidentally also made a mon playing a (pan)flute, although its a skiddo/meowstic fusion

[feral bear]

they r friends ❤️

[sick edge]

yessss
they're in a band

[unkempt stone]

Hmmm

I only just noticed the colored roles don't acutally color your name anymore

The ones for the pokemon games

[molten loom]

Yeah

Apparently they were actually the gen 6 starters

[unkempt stone]

Huh

Gonna be straight honest

While I think Gen 6 starter designs are great

I'm just kinda indifferent to all of them in terms of being pokemon

[molten loom]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

Ok look at this

We also get this

[unkempt stone]

Yea I was there for the stream

Froakie with a bird

[grave jolt]

Honestly, Panflute satyr seems along the lines of a meloetta fusion lmao

[sick edge]

yeah, I know :P
it was a fun idea though to try meowstic's bodytype

[grave jolt]

true; it fits skiddo I think

With Gogoat/Meloetta prob being more realistic-ish

[marble meadow]

i know what hat I want in if tf2 soldier hat

For carackter customization

[molten latch]

Hello

https://tenor.com/view/tess-spheal-gif-22641311

[humble lance]

furry jumpscare

[alpine rune]

https://tenor.com/view/ksganti-jumpscare-gif-18209355

[molten loom]

How can it be a jumpscare if cute

[molten latch]

https://tenor.com/view/question-mario-god-filthy-frank-idubbbz-gif-21508154

[molten loom]

What's wrong with it?

[molten latch]

Its just that I can hold the grudge that it kinda breaks rule 2

No offense

[humble lance]

nah it doesnt break rule 2
look its even wearing pants 👖

[alpine rune]

Well yea i get that, but its how the pokemon is. Whats not allowed is exaggerated features
<--- Self proclaimed No 1 Gardevoir fusion hater

[alpine rune]

Someone's gonna quote me on this when i inevitably make a gardevoir fusion huh?

[humble lance]

gardevoir fusions are more difficult for me to pull off so thats gonna have to be done by someone else

[molten latch]

Anyways

Are there any news related to the new pokemons?

[steel meadow]

I dont believe so

The frog said stay tuned for more stuff these upcoming weeks

Imagine we have to wait a week for any new pokemon news knowing that we're getting 15 of them at some point

[humble lance]

only news is that we're going for 500
so at least 15 more pokemon slots
and 474/475 are still not revealed

[ashen belfry]

TRUE

[steel meadow]

Bruxish doesnt exist change my mind.

[humble lance]

giraffe

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-sponge-bob-funny-gifs-its-giraffe-gif-5373349

[trail hull]

15 extra mons left I can't wait to see who are we getting next

with that many needing sprites we're probably gonna have the update release in december , because in december we will reiceve the october sprite pack

and since october is next month it gives a bit more time to have some fusiosn before the update

[simple gulch]

the monnkis

[half needle]

what if it was all just a bad dream

[steel meadow]

i slayed that bad dream instantly

[humble lance]

nah

[steel meadow]

ITS BACK

[half needle]

ok but what the milk taste like tho?

i've come back to apologize for this question i am a changed person

[steel meadow]

shame on you

[humble lance]

fish oil

[molten latch]

Lol

Idk what happen to this chat

[steel meadow]

We dead

[molten latch]

Yeah. . .

[gray vine]

Huh what's the fusion

[steel meadow]

Giraffe?

[gray vine]

Looks like Zebstrika and Gogoat but guess that's just visual

[steel meadow]

yep its Zebstrika/Gogoat but i put it over uh...

Blissey/Jolteon

Im playing a full gogoat run

[terse fable]

If he finishes the run and puts it in #hall-of-fame it unlocks the Goat Ending for the server and we get Gogoat as final mon

[steel meadow]

I honestly might wipe

Im playing a nuzlocke and ive lost 5 goats so far

The point of doing this was to show of how many good fusions the goat squad has made

[fathom ridge]

I wonder if gogoat will actually get in the game

[terse fable]

same

[steel meadow]

Depending on the way frog adds the new pokemon the goat might have a chance

If its just a popularity contest tho i dont think Gogoat is top 15

[terse fable]

At this point it seems like a waste not too with the sprites made for it but it's happened before looks at Guzzlord propaganda from last poll

but tbf guzz is an UB

[steel meadow]

Diancie and one other pokemon has a comparable amount of sprites for it

Slurpuff i think

[terse fable]

gogoat being a normal mon has way better chances

[steel meadow]

again if it is a popularity contest then 9 pokemon atleast are ahead of gogoat

and then another 3 because the frog confirmed that spheal landed 6th

so last 3 slots would be for the goat +1

[worldly sail]

damn

[terse fable]

Yea I'd imagine it will be popularity contest, unless they announce more events coming up for people to choose what mon they'd want

[worldly sail]

drillbur line?

[terse fable]

not that surprising

[steel meadow]

I hope half of the new mons atleast will be through contests

[half needle]

wtf excadrill is 3rd???

out of all the other mons??

[worldly sail]

I wonder how

[steel meadow]

Yep, excadrill is fucking cool

[terse fable]

Excadrill had a huge following last poll

at least as far as propaganda goes

[half needle]

i mean its ALRIGHT i guess but its not GOOD

[terse fable]

so i figured it would get some love

Not my fav but it'd make cool sprites

[half needle]

its just sandslash but bald

[terse fable]

for cool sprites tho I'd prefer zangoose/seviper tho

[terse fable]

not really lol they have way different designs

https://tenor.com/view/excadrill-pokemon-excadrill-gif-24835676

[cobalt river]

im expecting and hoping for some staff picks those tend to be a bit more interesting and varied then just the popularity polls
id be shocked if at least golisopod doesnt make it in though with it looming on the popularity poll horizon anyhow

[worldly sail]

yeah...excadrill is really not going to be my vote

[half needle]

yeah but are people voting for excadrill because he's got a nose or because of the drill thing?

[terse fable]

i dunno, again he's not my first pick lol but people prob like the drill idea for fusions

also gurren laggan references teehe

https://tenor.com/view/gurren-lagann-simon-gl-gif-21060787

[steel meadow]

Current team if anyone is interested btw 🐐

[worldly sail]

I hope excadrill doesn't even get on the 10th position next poll

[worldly sail]

lol

[steel meadow]

I just like how it looks, not sure why tbh. Maybe i just like cool moles

[terse fable]

Excadrill is fine, it's not a bad mon design wise or anything just kinda forgettable imo

but the fusions would be fire if done right

[steel meadow]

its one of the most memorable unova mons imo

[worldly sail]

nah, I forgot excadrill existed tbh

I even called it excallibur at one point

[molten latch]

[terse fable]

lolll

[steel meadow]

unova in general is really forgetable though.

atleast the unova mons we dont have

[molten latch]

Hear me out, I want Gigalith in the game because how good it is in competitive

[tender plank]

I can vouch, the mon in my pfp is so forgettable i am genuinely convinced i'm the only one who even knows of his existence /hj

[steel meadow]

yeah i forget tirtouga is a fossil

[worldly sail]

there's only archeops

[terse fable]

I gave the turtl a 3

[cobalt river]

i do really like excadrill on its own, but it’s not one id really care for fusing i wouldn’t dislike it getting in but it’s not a priority

[molten latch]

I do imagine a quadpedal rock creature sweeping.

[steel meadow]

yeah for fusing i dont know what id cook to be honest

i just saw excadrill and pressed 3 cuz i like him

[wind plover]

hi

[terse fable]

Sableye comes to mind with excadrill fusion

driller with diamond tipped drill

[molten latch]

Hello there

[terse fable]

drillin for snacks

[steel meadow]

I think you could make fun things with its drill bit making it other elements like fire and stuff

[terse fable]

nom

[tender plank]

honestly i kinda want exca for the sole reason of having a mole that actually looks like a mole

[wind plover]

i wish in the 15 new pokemon minior or chimecho will be in

[molten latch]

Ye

[steel meadow]

Chimecho is really cool as a head fusion

[worldly sail]

does anyone know chingling's existence

[molten latch]

Same goes as Spheal

[cobalt river]

those both would be fun :]

[molten latch]

We lack Ice type mons

[worldly sail]

20 is a lot yk?

[terse fable]

avaluggg

[icy valley]

Please bronzong please where i vote

[steel meadow]

I dont like avalugg at all

[steel meadow]

theres no vote atm

[wind plover]

true

[icy valley]

Ab

[molten latch]

Same?

[terse fable]

but turtl 😦

[molten latch]

Because there's no Hisuian form

[tender plank]

i think abomasnow would be cool for an ice type, snow golem fusions could go hard

[icy valley]

Does eerperior get contrary in this game

Derperior

[molten latch]

Lol

[steel meadow]

not to mention christmas trees

[icy valley]

Serperior

[molten latch]

[icy valley]

Does it get contrary in this game

[steel meadow]

Serperior isnt in this game but it would get contrary if its in

[wind plover]

gogoat is a living meme

[molten latch]

Imma nickname my Serperior Derperior now

[wind plover]

they should and them

[molten latch]

Thank you

[icy valley]

Ok

When vote opens im hard voting bronzong

[worldly sail]

Derperior, The superior derperior

[icy valley]

And they should add ash greninja

If greninja is getting added

With battle bond

[worldly sail]

yeah no

[terse fable]

it is

[molten latch]

Derperior: The Inferior Snek

[terse fable]

well greninja

[worldly sail]

we got ash greninja sprites

[icy valley]

Greninja SHOULD get battle bond that transforms into ash greninja

[terse fable]

ash greninja would be op lol

[molten latch]

Idk about that

[icy valley]

[terse fable]

but also diff form and stats too weird for this game

[icy valley]

If they add megha evos then they ll ad it most prob

Then fuk that

Ima stick to getting bronzong in

[molten latch]

Ok

You do you

[icy valley]

I do myself

[tender plank]

but ash greninja means less room for furfrou

[terse fable]

Bronzong line is fire tho

[icy valley]

Yes

Bronzong is needed

Dope fusions

[molten latch]

Bronzong aint bad. Idk.

[terse fable]

Bell is cool

[molten latch]

[icy valley]

Flash fire on scissor will be dope

[steel meadow]

Bronzong and claydol would make for some really interesting fusion that i myself could never design

[tender plank]

true, they're real unique if we had more room, i'd easily advocate for them

[molten latch]

Bronzong and Golurk

A bronze golem

[terse fable]

More object/abstract pokemon are always cool to change up the spriting scene a lil when thry drop, people work on other things besides waifu's and cute mons or whatever their niche is like NTM with buff sprites lol

[steel meadow]

or people just ignore their existence like kommo-o

so many new carbink fusions and stuff but that dragon got love for like a day

[terse fable]

Well true 😂

Tho I'm sure kommo will get love at some point

[cobalt river]

id love bronzong and claydol theyd be a lot more fun then kommo-o but that is me being a kommo-o hater

[steel meadow]

Idk why i dislike kommo-o as much as i do but yes i agree.

[terse fable]

I don't HATE Kommo, but I dislike them more now that they effectively ruined Drampa's chances of getting in

but they fine as a mon ig

[marsh yew]

Starters and Pseudos IMO shouldn't be priorities

[steel meadow]

Starters im fine with

[terse fable]

Well good news, they're not

[steel meadow]

Cuz those mfers are soooo iconic

[cobalt river]

weve got every pseudo now so they cant be priorities anymore :’D theyre there already

[steel meadow]

ADDS GEN 8

[cobalt river]

dragapult slaps at least

[marsh yew]

Starters I'm not that fine because every set is 9 'mons

[wind plover]

#teamchimecho

[wind plover]

pls

[steel meadow]

pls no

[cobalt river]

i mean they do appear to be spacing the starters out which i appreciate :] i’m glad they’re being added but im also glad they’re uh. taking their time for them. since they do be 9 at once

[steel meadow]

Im sad gen 5 got skipped tho

cuz that means gen 7 will get their starters before gen 5 aswell

[terse fable]

Honestly surprised we didn't get all the starters missing at once, so they wouldn't hear people complaining about what's missing lol but ig that might still be possible

[tender plank]

gen 5 really is the gen that got fucked over the most, both fossils and starters got skipped over. unova is fucked bruh😭

[cobalt river]

tbh idk why theyd do them in order anyhow. i wish we got alolan starters first but i will happily take kalos

[steel meadow]

i think there was like a old old vote on it at some point

[marsh yew]

Stoutland, Darmanitan, Eelektross...

Hell, even Druddigon!

[steel meadow]

Excadrill again

[cobalt river]

Mienshao 😔

[steel meadow]

Oh yeah mienshao exists

There are so many good fighting types they could add

Well 4 lines

Toxicroak, Scrafty, Pangoro, Mienshao

[terse fable]

https://tenor.com/view/sawk-pokémon-sawk-sawk-uses-bulk-up-gif-25731657

[steel meadow]

Sawk and throh doesnt exist

[terse fable]

forgot the bois

oh

😂

[steel meadow]

Yeah im not a fan of them

[worldly sail]

yeah, I don't like socks and throws either

[steel meadow]

Me when humanoid pokemons

[cobalt river]

sawh and throh are a special kind of ugly luckily gen 5 has other fighting types that are good

[worldly sail]

damn gen 5 has more fighting types too?

oh right

lmao

[terse fable]

https://tenor.com/view/throh-pokemon-gif-27051327

throwing alll the haters

[worldly sail]

poor Ash

[steel meadow]

we just talked about mienshao...

[worldly sail]

blud never wanted scrafty

[cobalt river]

mienshao scrafty conkeldurr sawk/throh and the swords of justice ig but those r legends

[worldly sail]

ohh

[terse fable]

lol but nah sawk and throh are pretty mediocre honestly compared to ther fighting types we could get

[cobalt river]

i personally only care for mienshao but i do know scrafty also has its fans

[terse fable]

plus the other ones are lines so

[steel meadow]

I mean dark/fighting little goon what is there not to like

i love little goons

[cobalt river]

its ugly to me sorry scrafty 😔

[worldly sail]

quad weak to fairy dammit

[steel meadow]

dont you like anything ugly?

[cobalt river]

that depends idk which mons are generally considered ugly tbh i thought scrafty was thought of as cool by most ppl

[terse fable]

Ugly mons deserve love too

https://tenor.com/view/carbink-gif-25570509

[cobalt river]

carbink my son :]

[terse fable]

like look at this nasty ass thing

[worldly sail]

I didn't even know scrafty was ugly 💀

[terse fable]

[steel meadow]

I wouldnt describe scrafty as cool. I just put him in the goon category. All goons are fun

[terse fable]

jkkkk

[cobalt river]

its just me who thinks its ugly as far as i know most ppl like it

[clear lichen]

In terms of Fighting types, Unova has
Conkeldurr line
Sawk and Throh
Mienshao line
Pignite and Emboar
Scrafty line
Swords of Justice
Melo-P

[steel meadow]

Oh emboar

[worldly sail]

ah yes, the starter

[cobalt river]

ah right

[worldly sail]

how could I forget that pig

and boar

[terse fable]

pig boi

would be fine ig

i dunno starters don't hype me up much I'm not big on poster mons

[steel meadow]

I dont like the unova starters but it just feels weird to play a game where they dont exist but gen 6 starters do

[clear lichen]

I'm pretty sure Unova has the most Fighting types but only one is in the game rn

[worldly sail]

damn

[terse fable]

Weird how the game that the art style is based on has like the least representaion for mons lol

[clear lichen]

No, it definitely has more than Gens 6 and 7

[steel meadow]

Amount of pokemon i think its still similar to gen 6

[clear lichen]

It's just that percentage wise, it is lower

Because yknow 156 Pokemon

[terse fable]

ahh okokk

Still, think it'd have more

[steel meadow]

I just found the intro trainer

Dont mind kyogre covering my meatloaf.

[clear lichen]

People don't really vote for what has the proportionately least number of Pokemon

They just vote on their preferences

And people are a lot more familiar with the older generations in general

[steel meadow]

Most of my 3's were gen 3 and 4 i believe.

[clear lichen]

Sinnoh has more than Unova, Hoenn has more than Sinnoh

[grave jolt]

Really cool looking

[clear lichen]

Unova has more than Kalos, which I think has more than Alola

[grave jolt]

Kanto and Johto have more than all three

[clear lichen]

Brainfart moment right there don't mind it

[clear lichen]

It'd be weird to have a game featuring Kanto and Johto to not have every Kanto and Johto mon

[steel meadow]

nvm.

[clear lichen]

That said, Johto didn't feature every Johto mon

[steel meadow]

iwas going to ask if we have all johto mon

[clear lichen]

So who am I to say

[grave jolt]

I think there's more gen 1 and 2 than everything combined, though with 500 I think it'll be a tie.

[tender plank]

slight disbalance 251-249

2 more and then it's equal

[clear lichen]

Still can't get over how some Gen 2 Pokemon aren't native to Johto, but instead Kanto

[agile olive]

is this an easter egg? no way that blaziken is within the size limit

[clear lichen]

Like you literally find them in Kanto

They didn't like migrate to Johto or anything

[steel meadow]

It was just a random guy on kindle road on remix mode

[clear lichen]

Or get transported there

Unlike something like Copperajah

They're just only in Kanto

[steel meadow]

Gen 2 moment

[velvet root]

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