pif-hoenn-discussion

[pseudo wigeon]

?tag rule2

[opal trail]

Make sure to follow the #rules!

Rule 2 DISALLOWED CONTENT: Nudity/Sex/Anything NSFW. This shouldn't really need to be said, since this is a server dedicated to Pokémon, but here we are. This means no pornography or anything of the like. No NSFW names/avatars, no NSFW conversations, no suggestive emotes, no sexualizing Pokémon or other people, and absolutely no mentions of anything horny whatsoever, even as a joke.

[barren lion]

Luvdisc is useless.

[silent acorn]

Floppy fish

[azure salmon]

Rule 2 moment

[rain locust]

luvdisc is comically bad

[silent acorn]

You can throw rule 2 at me that the sussy happens by accident too

[azure salmon]

Accident?

[deft obsidian]

#1275136497066180639 message

[trail hull]

Stats wise yet but sprite wise no

[azure salmon]

You’re purposely talking about topics that go against rule 2

[rain locust]

sick

[silent acorn]

Castform weird shape is intentional but the image and mind of others not

And that's the one that defines sus or not sus

Fun or not fun

[azure salmon]

Yeah

[barren lion]

eh, sprite-wise it is mid at best.

[azure salmon]

But don’t bring it up please

[silent acorn]

Like how clefairy was meant to be the mascot and then pikachu became it instead

[pseudo wigeon]

castform is based on a water molecule 😔

[stuck bane]

Castform is like skuntank

It’s no fault of its own spriters have the potential to be horrible to it

[silent acorn]

Could have made the shape inverse don't you think?

Why down

[crimson robin]

Let's not get into this again.

[azure salmon]

Agreed

[barren lion]

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!

[deft obsidian]

Even if casform was op, still is boring pokemon.

[azure salmon]

We are not fighting

[silent acorn]

I'd have been funny if castform had the balls on the head and it looked like a mouse lol

[crimson robin]

We'll attract a Watchog if we don't calm down

[deft obsidian]

:0

[silent acorn]

Ah yes so small adorable

[stuck bane]

YOU MEAN I CAN GET WATCHOG IN THE GAME?!?!? FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

[silent acorn]

Half circles are cute

[stuck bane]

Jk

[placid pelican]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/306614938003177473/1265775468628541544/blicky.gif

[azure salmon]

Vince

Hooray

[placid pelican]

have a nice day

[azure salmon]

A mod is here to stop

[placid pelican]

[azure salmon]

Thank you Vince

[azure salmon]

?tag kiss

[opal trail]

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/c1/51/0f/c1510f1f14406dda27206c6bbe320b25.jpg

[cobalt river]

tysm 🫡

[barren lion]

mods are here, chaos is over

[pseudo wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/omedetou-congratulations-evangelion-shinji-chair-gif-17781895581304383421

[azure salmon]

Everyone after the mod does their job:

[dry fiber]

Sex?

[pseudo wigeon]

huh

[azure salmon]

Why?

[trail hull]

Ban

[pseudo wigeon]

what does that have to do with anything

[azure salmon]

@placid pelican Come back come back

Please

[hexed agate]

I'm here to take VInce's credit

[pseudo wigeon]

Pory pin it

[azure salmon]

You’re not Vince

[placid pelican]

[dry fiber]

there should be a meme channel

[pseudo wigeon]

no

that would go wrong so fast

[dry fiber]

Exactly

[pseudo wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-16704157274113773062

[low dock]

#off-topic is the meme channel

[azure salmon]

Off topic

The channel better than #spriter-general

I think I don’t know I haven’t been there

[hexed agate]

no no, let them use #discord-suggestions

[low dock]

die

[hexed agate]

we need another meme channel suggestion

[azure salmon]

So mean

Apologize to Pory

[pseudo wigeon]

[azure salmon]

[low dock]

[azure salmon]

Mean

[hexed agate]

[stuck bane]

politics

[dry fiber]

[deft obsidian]

Go to Thorny jail

[dry fiber]

Anyway vote for lilligant

Getting back on topic

[low dock]

[dry fiber]

🐟

[azure salmon]

I hate all Pokemon

Add mine instead

[fathom ridge]

Add missingno

[hazy fable]

EEL

[stuck bane]

Add dex form rotom

[azure salmon]

Add

[low dock]

Add Say into the game

[azure salmon]

Something

I don’t know

[fathom ridge]

Didnt say own the server?

[azure salmon]

Yea

[trail hull]

Add luvdisc into the game

[low dock]

what server

[azure salmon]

[rain locust]

add carbink or golisopod or mienshao

[azure salmon]

All of them

I am Discord

[trail hull]

Pokémon zero fusion

[low dock]

[pseudo wigeon]

yeah Say is Frogman's alt

[fathom ridge]

If you hate Pokémon so much just remove all of them

[azure salmon]

Yes

I would but I can’t

[pseudo wigeon]

digimon infinite fusion

[azure salmon]

Cause then those poor YouTube view farms will go broke

😔

[stuck bane]

Years just down the drain. It would hurt but it would be so funny

[deft obsidian]

Mienshao is such based choice,

[azure salmon]

And I need them to pay me part of their earnings (and get people to join the server)

[fathom ridge]

Could you imagine a future where IF is lost media?

[trail hull]

Staff giving us a small look at how their private channel is

[pseudo wigeon]

no

[rain locust]

mienshao combines looking kinda neat with being decent in comp

as do carbink and pod

[pseudo wigeon]

this game is gonna be here forever until we finish every fusion

[hazy fable]

Im pretty sure one person DMed me about making one before

[clear lichen]

Mienshao would be so cool

[trail hull]

Apparent with our current pace it would be done in 2 years

[azure salmon]

Hey guys, so back in around 2024 I played this fangame where you made fusions out of Pokemon, but I can’t seem to remember the name or what it was fully about.

[clear lichen]

Pretty good stats and Regenerator with U-Turn sounds fun

And it also looks cool

[pseudo wigeon]

🤔

[outer matrix]

should a castform fusion only have the head be covered in the weather sfx-thing, or should the entire body be covered in it?

[hazy fable]

spriter's choice

[fathom ridge]

No more castfrom talk today haha

[deft obsidian]

I don't think so, at least 5 years

[stuck bane]

No shot, all the Pokémon AND all their sprites done by then? No shot, it’s only been a year since the last vote

[outer matrix]

Who knows if i'll talk more about it later

[trail hull]

Yep we’re going fast

[pseudo wigeon]

we could start doing blitz for every pokemon

[fathom ridge]

I think is 5000 sprites a month

[trail hull]

My day ends in 2 hours

[fathom ridge]

Mine in 3

[deft obsidian]

Did HoundRyS muted?

[trail hull]

And more when there’s event like rushes , merge may and secret Santa

[clear lichen]

My day ended 4 hours ago

[stuck bane]

I think castform brought something important, but apparently it wasn’t important enough to remember, so that should tell you everything you need to know

[stuck bane]

Nah just timed out. Ironically he said he was about to say something positive about castform (the forms look nice(

[clear lichen]

Dw I woke up at like 3 pm this time so I haven't been awake for 24 fucking hours

[trail hull]

Castform brought weather

[deft obsidian]

What is secret santa?

[azure salmon]

Secret

[trail hull]

Oh yeah you weren’t there , basically you would take a sprite request and ask for one too

If you didn’t sprited you get banned from all events

[deft obsidian]

I was
I remember everyone spoiler tag their sprite in spritework

[trail hull]

Mb

[deft obsidian]

I just didn't knew why

[trail hull]

Well you should participate this year

[deft obsidian]

[velvet root]

Omg my Dhelmise/Aurorus was from Secret Santa XD

[trail hull]

My flygon/lycanroc was from there too but I first accidentally made the reverse

[stuck bane]

Ok let me put it in a way to understand, the entire last batch was 420-470, 50 slots in game

Unova alone is missing ~117 slots, which I know because I have a poster of the unova dex in my room from when I bought Pokémon white

[deft obsidian]

I remember :0
I also remember ferrothorn/tyranturm was winner of that event

[velvet root]

Yes cuz rule of cool

[trail hull]

Yep

[stuck bane]

Frog is not adding 117 slots plus every other region in only 2 years, when it took him a year to get 50 slots in

And he would have to do so many legendary events

You’re delusional and expecting way too much

[trail hull]

I didn’t said he would add all the unova mons

I feel like we’re on a different discussion

[stuck bane]

Then why did you say yes to all the Pokémon being added:

[trail hull]

Oh I read all fusions getting added my bad

But on a related note the reason he took so long to add 50 slots was because he also added character customization and custom dex entries along with the legendary quest

[ashen cloud]

i hope eventually we can get some sword/ shield mons

[haughty salmon]

there's a reason for that time though

[stuck bane]

Eh, that’s true, but still we shouldn’t be expecting too much of him, the last additions were apparently really stressful, so he’s probably gonna be doing less additions so it’s less work

[trail hull]

No gen 8+ because programming issues

[haughty salmon]

frog redid the entire fusion system for that

That's why we even have slots

[ashen cloud]

awwww i see

i would love having greninja one day tho

[cobalt river]

tbh smaller batches of new pokemon spread throughout ((so one-two additions every so often)) seems p nice as a way to go about it, rather then doing them in big bacthes again :] as hype as it is it allows each new addition to settle in a bit more

[trail hull]

Greninja is gen 6

[ashen cloud]

i know

i switched it to gen 6

since it’s a possibility 😋

[azure salmon]

Greninja will come one day
They said how they have a more unique way of doing it

[ashen cloud]

i will love that day

[stuck bane]

Legend speaks of a chosen one

Who will climb the mountain of code

Just for frog to say

“Thanks for the effort, but to me, Gen 8+ isn’t canon and I’m not adding them, I’ll let you add diancie tho”

[cobalt river]

hey, id take that offer!

[fathom ridge]

RPG maker sucks tho

[trail hull]

Last year some apparently had a file that could be compatible with pif and went to ask frog , when I ask the guy he said that frog said : « it gonna be too much consuming for both of frog and me »

[haughty salmon]

Yeah but you know what sucks even more? Rebuilding the entire game outside of RPGmaker lmao

[fathom ridge]

Fair

[haughty salmon]

It would be much better but it would require more hands

[fathom ridge]

I still think frogman kinda shot himself in the foot when he chose RPG maker tho

[haughty salmon]

He probably didn't think it'd get this big tbh

And game dev platforms like godot did not exist back when this was made originally

[fathom ridge]

True and to be fair the game is super good and has a lot of content

[haughty salmon]

or at least, weren't as accessible

Or known

Godot is probably the easiest game engine to build on now

[fathom ridge]

I would have chosen scratch, obviously the best engine to make your game in

[haughty salmon]

that's even more work lmao

Honestly the only way I could see a rebuild happening would be if frog was able to get a team together to port the game to godot. But that'd still take time

[rain locust]

use monogame (Underrated Gem)

[fathom ridge]

Yeah and even then that would be WAY into the future

[hazy fable]

scratch... why would you make yourself suffer??? just use godot

[civic harness]

Hello there

[fathom ridge]

I wonder if there could be other fan games that could use the IF library

[fathom ridge]

It was sarcasm

[hazy fable]

iirc someone is making an IF game based on Gen 3?

[civic harness]

Talking about the coding hell?

[trail hull]

If there’s a pif follow up it should be a brand new region instead

[hazy fable]

imagine if they made it Gen8+

still vote EEL

[civic harness]

Did you know how hard is to make some space for new pokemon?

[sturdy frost]

its on "the list of shit Ymir plays around with but probably will never actually finish coding" - projects

[hazy fable]

RIGHT IT WAS YOU

[sturdy frost]

Gen 9 might be a little side venture I try out, since it wont matter if I break stuff. whereas for frog it would be.
but gen 8+ essentials is a mess. but who knows, maybe I'll get to it, maybe I wont

[fathom ridge]

Where are you making it :0

[sturdy frost]

Im still collecting a bunch of stuff first.
tilesets etc, im ass at any spritework. then gonna gut PIF for the fusion system, try rebuild the first town or 2 of gen 3. and just mainly mess a lot with code.

for now its on a private git, using RMXP + PE (Basically Ruby, a language I normally dont code, just like PIF)

it is in no way functional right now, and likely never will be - dont want to get peoples hopes up

[trail hull]

I don’t know if you’ll be allowed to use it’s sprite but you can use mines

[trail hull]

No prob

[fathom ridge]

Ok so then the game is going to be finished next month, got it

[sturdy frost]

[fathom ridge]

Will you finish it when silksong is released

[trail hull]

They prob gonna finish before gta6

[fathom ridge]

My prediction is this Christmas or next valentine

[trail hull]

Lmao

[fathom ridge]

You think I’m coping? probably

[haughty salmon]

hard enough that they had to redo the entire fusion system at least

[civic harness]

Poor team

[haughty salmon]

I thought it was just frog

[hazy fable]

what team

[velvet root]

Well Frog has one who supports him at work

[haughty salmon]

Ah fair

[civic harness]

Before this new votes frog was recruiting more support

[haughty salmon]

If I knew how to program and such I'd help if I could. This is my favorite fangame of all time

[velvet root]

And it is him

[haughty salmon]

Legitimately want to see this game go far. Though also while hoping it stays under the radar from nintendo's sauron eye

[velvet root]

No way they dont know it exists

[stuck bane]

That is a legitimate concern, wasn’t there something about Pokémon essentials that got relic castle in hot water and led to the shutdown of that?

[velvet root]

Any non if Spriting ideas?

[trail hull]

Gogoat/cosmog

[velvet root]

Should have asked for if/non if fusion ideas

[haughty salmon]

Oh definitely but like

[trail hull]

Cryogonal/golurk

[haughty salmon]

I'm pretty sure because frog has been trying to make it more unique without official sprites has helped

[velvet root]

Even tho if you guys give me a pure non if idea that I Love I would make it too

[haughty salmon]

and up until more recently, it wasn't getting content creator attention

[velvet root]

Interesting🤔

[trail hull]

Well the cosmog one could be really bushy and fun but the cryogonal might be better as give ice golem vibes

[hazy fable]

Make a cool sprite out of the elemental monkeys, bcoz I believe no one can

[haughty salmon]

See my brain immediately goes to golurk + araquanid

Aquatic golem of some kind

[velvet root]

I only made a triple monkey yet🤔

[haughty salmon]

...Or go straight for the big daddy reference from bioshock tbh

[civic harness]

Really?

[velvet root]

Yeah
I mean you see it here

[hazy fable]

nah

[civic harness]

Awesome

[hot hamlet]

Megamonke

[civic harness]

Mega Macaco

[velvet root]

I just rememberd I have to buy some grapes and Melon for my wine cheese

[hot hamlet]

Mecaco?

[velvet root]

Give me one of the monkeys

[civic harness]

Macaco means monkey

[hot hamlet]

I was making a portmanteau

[velvet root]

Nah
Affe

[hazy fable]

Octillery/Simipour

[velvet root]

I just said one of the monkeys

[velvet root]

Also thats a Splatoon charakter

[stuck bane]

Denial lookin ass, there’s like 3 more good ones in spritework

[hot hamlet]

Nothing wrong with Octo rep🐙

[velvet root]

I love the Water monkey with Medicham

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/pearl-splatoon-2-splatoon-3-splatoon-dancing-gif-9541546833592575465

[hot hamlet]

That’s a filthy squid

[stuck bane]

They’re not all perfect, that much I agree, but that doesn’t mean every simi sprite should be written off

[hot hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-octavio-octavio-splatoon2-dance-splatoon-gif-20983890

[velvet root]

I kean yeah they are similiar but the hair, cloths and tail are diffrent
They also represent the wise monkeys

https://tenor.com/view/splatoon-splatoon-2-marina-off-the-hook-gif-9474877688138100523

[zealous lichen]

when do we find out which mons got selected

[inland geyser]

WILD CATS, GET YA HEAD IN THE GAME

[hazy fable]

when its announced in #announcements

[civic harness]

29th

[inland geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/hsm-bolton-high-school-musical-troy-bolton-singing-gif-17338463

[zealous lichen]

cool thank you

[hazy fable]

you had the chance to say the metts

[zealous lichen]

I put in my vote in a while ago lol

[inland geyser]

that wouldnt be a very good high school musical reference tho

https://tenor.com/view/what-team-what-team-gif-12987541

[zealous lichen]

I took a decent break from spriting but might help out with the picked ones

[inland geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-wildcats-zac-efron-highschool-musical-gif-18111058

[haughty salmon]

oh god no XD

[velvet root]

@simple gulch Machoke idea
Pelipper/Machoke being a Sailor

[hot hamlet]

Shiny won’t matter given shiny mechanics in this game

[hot hamlet]

Technically the wording is “around the 29TH” so could be 29, could be 30 would be my best guess

[civic harness]

Ok

[hidden relic]

Stage is open for those interested in watching Jirachi, Wish Maker!

https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1148785825178460241

[jade canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/cutiefly-dancing-pokemon-gif-9838011

so silly

[velvet root]

so one of the announced mons done

[velvet root]

He gets a visit to make him pay his "taxes"

[silent acorn]

Hello

[silent acorn]

To claim them or pay them?

[silent acorn]

That's awesome

[velvet root]

its midnight my writing sucks rn XD

[silent acorn]

I revived after having a pillow shoved in my face after 2 hours

[velvet root]

good

[silent acorn]

Don'tchu worry

[silent acorn]

Hey I got a doc wanna see it?

It's confidential

[velvet root]

He uses a pillow too if that Cutiefly doesnt pay

[velvet root]

?

a doc from?

[silent acorn]

I snatched it after I got the death pillow lol

It's official

Gonna send you right now

Anyway

[silent acorn]

You made me curious as to what the Evo for this would be

Lemme go use showdown to set up something juicy

[velvet root]

I wont do it cuz I hate the evos body
But if someone does it imagine a small mafia boss whos like the mouse from Zootopia

https://tenor.com/view/chair-turn-mr-big-zootopia-plus-转身-faire-demi-tour-gif-27181278

Well from the feeling

[silent acorn]

Oh moledrino

Tell me your wisdom

[velvet root]

"ay Marco, that small guy wont pay, visit him and break some knee caps for me"

[silent acorn]

Have a hat and just be a little pixie with a bunch of the little ones

[velvet root]

Capich

[silent acorn]

"You don't mess with family, if you do you sleep with the pollen, goddat?"

[velvet root]

XD

[silent acorn]

Honchkrow is so fun for fusions

[velvet root]

That literally makes me laugfh so hard rn

[silent acorn]

Glad to hear it

[velvet root]

@vague oar want a funny non if idea
I know you could pull it of thats why I ask

[silent acorn]

Oh yeah Hero is the best!

They always make the best bossy designs

[vague oar]

Sure

[velvet root]

Thats the first form and if you go down from here you see the idea for sure

[vague oar]

Ohhh

Sounds fun

[velvet root]

A Mafia Boss Ribbonbee using Honch as head
making it funny af cuz its so small

[vague oar]

I could give it a try

[velvet root]

Fantastic

[silent acorn]

Please do, I know you'll cook perfectly

Gonna go ahead and just make the what if setup

[civic harness]

You call for a hero I see

[unique flame]

vote gourgeist

[velvet root]

So these need sprites from me now
Wingull
Swirlix / Slurpuff
Fomantis / Lurantis
Ribombee

[civic harness]

And soon would be more

[velvet root]

The fanart will be sick

[velvet root]

Yes I first said on a server I will make a sprite for every mon getting in sadly we only get 2 lines so I make one for the winners

[velvet root]

I like it but not enough for a 3 or to get me spriting

Its sick and the fusions will be too but yeah

[silent acorn]

Upgrade to a 3 because why not

I respect the potential of this one

[civic harness]

And what about...

[silent acorn]

No

I know what you are gonna say and no

[velvet root]

btw is Pumpkaboo a cat?

[unique flame]

kinda

[civic harness]

Well... you already put one vote for charity so...

[silent acorn]

Sorta. It's pretty cute

[velvet root]

Also pls when someone has ideas nothing that can become a gang member

[silent acorn]

Hmmm lemme submit an idea

[civic harness]

Trubbish

With...

[silent acorn]

On which tho?

Imma gonna go combine... Wait

I know

[civic harness]

I dont know if they can repeat

[silent acorn]

I made one before

[civic harness]

Show us

[silent acorn]

How is your Mismagius skill?

[silent acorn]

Not as in a sprite but more like a showdown build

[silent acorn]

Not as in a sprite but more like a showdown build

[civic harness]

Oh ok

Well, can work

[silent acorn]

I think

It was

[velvet root]

Idk tell me

[silent acorn]

Mismagius/Carbink

[civic harness]

Oh I see that mafia style

[velvet root]

carbink as the body?

[silent acorn]

Hmmm very good actually

Yeah

I think could be interesting

[stuck bane]

Wb houndrys

[silent acorn]

TY!

[velvet root]

I try

[silent acorn]

Or you could do it with Swirlix body is you prefer something a bit different

Mismagius is usually a safe bet for combining

Oh I just remember there is a Swirlix/Mismagius but not the opposite

[velvet root]

?

[sly torrent]

I don't know if anyone else has mentioned them yet but I would like to see Fenekin and the other X/Y starters added to the game, or at the verry least the Fenekin line.

[velvet root]

They are confirmed to get in one day

[sly torrent]

yay

[rain locust]

if you could try milotic carbink thatd be sick

[sly torrent]

hope we get some cute artwork for the Fenekin line and the acompanying fusions

[velvet root]

Sadly Carbink just became a fusion as you can see

[rain locust]

oh i didnt see

looks funny

[velvet root]

But I can see it being beautifull with the fluff and crystals

[rain locust]

yea

[velvet root]

If it gets in and noone has made it than I do it

[velvet root]

I feel like that Braixen will be the first middle evo to have many sprites...

[gray vine]

good

[sly torrent]

no shocker there considering Braxien is one of the best looking middle evos in general, hope we can get some nice magical girl looking fusions for the final evo as opposed to it's more witch like final evo, otherwise I'm gonna have to do the same thing as my flaffy/bellossom fusion and refuse the final evo on flaffy

[velvet root]

Understandable

[velvet root]

I need 6 mored ideas

[sly torrent]

as nice as Delfox looks it just feels out of place in the Fenekin line

Pwehaps I could petition an alternative final evo for Braxien? One that is more in line with the evo line?

[velvet root]

Wont happen sadly

[sly torrent]

sadge

so we have the Fenekin line confirmed but I'm guessing we don't have a set date for them?

[velvet root]

No set date

[sly torrent]

kk, guess we are waiting on sprites then?

[velvet root]

how you mean that

[sly torrent]

Idk, I'm just guessing the dev team is waiting for there to be enough sprites to start working the Fenekin line in.

[velvet root]

Nah Frogman gives 0 fuck on Sprite amount XD

[terse fable]

we're waitin till Frog has a good way to impliment them and feels like it!

[hazy fable]

dev team

[sly torrent]

ah

[velvet root]

Else we would have Gogoat in...

[sly torrent]

lol

[velvet root]

Diancie and Gogoat line has the most sprites I think

[sly torrent]

not shocked on Diance having a ton of sprites

[velvet root]

It is when you consider that 99% of them is from one person XD

[terse fable]

With special mons usually there's some whole quest/extra thing to do, Meloetta getting added made a pretty extensive quest, so for starters it could be similiar

[sly torrent]

true

don't starters just get added to the available starter pool?

[terse fable]

No, at the start you only get the og 3, the others you find in other ways

[sly torrent]

you can always set a custom starter though

you're not explicetly locked to the base 3, even in clasic mode

[terse fable]

Now they could just make them a secret garden/forest spawn like the others

[sly torrent]

ugh, i HATE that place's low ass spawn rates for some mons

[terse fable]

well yea, but frog isnt gonna add a starter in and expect people to do that lol, you have to get them in game as well

[sly torrent]

ralts at 1% is criminal

[hazy fable]

ralts is only acquired via egg

[sly torrent]

fair enough

[hazy fable]

unless remix mode route 3

[terse fable]

but that's not what we're saying, they're saying through custom starter

but yea egg options are viable

[sly torrent]

some of the guide's ive seen have ralts spawing in secret garden no matter the mode

[terse fable]

that's how some other starters are found

[hazy fable]

that no longer happens, it was removed there

[terse fable]

well not egg but gift

[sly torrent]

btw, are starters hard locked into male only or am I just super unlucky?

[terse fable]

just unlucky ig loll

[velvet root]

Starters are mostly males

[sly torrent]

oh

[velvet root]

thats why they are so rare

[terse fable]

ohh mdidnt know thatt

[hazy fable]

but for starters, you can do custom starters or pick which gen from 1-4

[sly torrent]

guess I gotta find a ditto then for some of my ralts starting runs

[hazy fable]

you can dupe mons

check #general pins

[velvet root]

I recommend Nincada

[sly torrent]

you can also change a mon's gender with a bug i found

[hazy fable]

aside from genderstone?

[sly torrent]

not sure how the hell i pulled it off but i somehow changed a female mon into a male with reversers

[velvet root]

A head mon always gets rerolled as new mon so yes without stone

[sly torrent]

is that a bug or intentional?

[velvet root]

both

[sly torrent]

lol wut?

[velvet root]

Started as one and now its intentional

[sly torrent]

but why?

[velvet root]

So now I need to do fusions for those 6
any ideas?
Wingull
Swirlix / Slurpuff
Fomantis / Lurantis
Ribombee

[velvet root]

cuz why not

[terse fable]

Think people are just used too it now that's why lol

[sly torrent]

lurantis gardevior

[terse fable]

You can get a shiny that way though which is cool

[velvet root]

And he doesnt have to fix it
also needing less data while playing since it doesnt need to remember both sides

[sly torrent]

i remember my first shiny, it was an elekid. ran outa balls and lost it. I was pissed

[velvet root]

OOOH

Didnt you send that in Playthrough talk?

[velvet root]

I dont feel that tbh

[sly torrent]

I'm curious to see it though

[terse fable]

Wingull with Salamence, was thinking the wings could fit more like wingulls and have a beak n stuff, idk

[velvet root]

Pick your poison

[sly torrent]

lol that bottom right one

[velvet root]

Sounds weird 🤔

[sly torrent]

top right looks reasonably good though

[hazy fable]

top right is the expected result

[sly torrent]

left one is just a bit much

[hazy fable]

bottom right is what we need

[terse fable]

that's fusions for ya, some are weird lol

[sly torrent]

miltank+anything

cursed af

[terse fable]

yepp lol

[velvet root]

disagree

[hazy fable]

I do imagine this to be Lugia for some reason

[terse fable]

loll i kinda can see itt

[sly torrent]

little scared to ask this but Lugia + Miltank?

[terse fable]

umm with slurpuff do Arcanine, can be like a creamy gooey doggo

[hazy fable]

not with miltank again

[sly torrent]

that sounds interesting

pink floofy doggo

made of cotton candy

and fire

[terse fable]

yee, can have it dripping too maybe, like its melting

[sly torrent]

just dont let the racoons get a hold of him

[terse fable]

literally cooking over here

[sly torrent]

or cotton candy flames

[terse fable]

loll sounds cooll

[molten latch]

I do imagine a Luranvoir having a Kimono.

[sly torrent]

pink flames with little sparks of sugar cristles shooting out of them

[molten latch]

Indeed

[sly torrent]

hey that's a nice custom sprite idea. Make or commision one if you can

[hazy fable]

Slurpuff/Arcanine would look like a cloud dog i guess?

[sly torrent]

a pink cloud doggo

[molten latch]

I was, but I cant find a good artist ATM.

[terse fable]

kind of, I imagine a cherry nose on it as well personally lol

[sly torrent]

that would be a little silly depending on how it was designed

[terse fable]

yee lol, there's a lot you can do with slurpuff

Which is why we need them!

[molten latch]

Cherrim and Cherubi has potential

Same goes as Audino

[sly torrent]

just don't make it pink cloud clown doggo

[terse fable]

nah that's be with mime.jr lol

[sly torrent]

lol

those damn mimes

puttin up walls everywhere

with those uncanny smiles

[bitter comet]

Lycanroc and slurpuff would be cute, I picture the little rock color studs that lycanroc has would be chocolate chip

[sly torrent]

who knows what kinds of deranged psycotic things those mimes are thinking up

[sly torrent]

with cotton candy fur

[terse fable]

ohh that's good, or strawberries or somethin

[bitter comet]

Dessert Doggo lol

[bitter comet]

That would also be cool

[sly torrent]

i have a lycanroc/umbrion fusion in one of my saves

day form lycanroc with umbrion

[terse fable]

I wonder if Cipher actually took one of our ideas or hasn't seen we @ them yet, they didn't shoot down my last suggestion as usual 😂 loll

[sly torrent]

or possibly large sugar crystals

[bitter comet]

That would also be cool

[terse fable]

yee like rock candy!

[sly torrent]

exactly

[terse fable]

https://tenor.com/view/sugar-treats-sweets-toffee-geodes-gif-22620919

rock candyy

[sly torrent]

that but pink

[terse fable]

yeye

[sly torrent]

with lycanroc's normal furr and maybe slurpuffs eye color

with rock candy claws

[terse fable]

OOHH yea the claws are good, maybe give them like a gleam or shine like rock candy would have!

[sly torrent]

yeah

ARTISTS TAKE NOTES!

[terse fable]

if the sprite has mouth open same with teeth!

Honestly, literally just putting gold out here

[sly torrent]

cant get cavities when your teath are pure sugar lol

[bitter comet]

The tongue would definitely be sticking out

Which would add to the cute factor

[civic harness]

We made things with own ideas my friend

[sly torrent]

true, but never hurts to see some ideas others have

after all some like me cant draw to save our lives

[civic harness]

Epic

Anyways

And what pokemons you want?

[sly torrent]

that one we were talking about was lycanroc and slurpuff fusion

[civic harness]

Slurpuff

Very good material

[sly torrent]

i'm assuming azreal was refferencing the day form

or the hardest form to get that i forgot the name of

[molten latch]

7 days left

Until it drops. . .

[bitter comet]

The dusk form is not available

[sly torrent]

untill what drops?

ah, fair, the time constraints for it would be nigh impossible to pull off

[terse fable]

I was thinking day form, but night could be interesting in doing like a crazed sugar rush kind of lycanroc/slurpuff sprite, make the eyes all cracked out from too much sugar n can maybe even have it foaming at the mouth like ice cream or something

[sly torrent]

i think cotton candy foam would make more sense tbh

but that would be wild to see

[civic harness]

And what pokemon you dont want to see?

[sly torrent]

personally I'm waiting on the Fenekin line to be added to the game

my favorite starter line alongside Poplio's line

ooh, there's an idea. a fenekin/poplio line of fusions.

magical girl mermaid fox

[civic harness]

Another anime girl?

[sly torrent]

lol

not quite as it would still be a furry

[bitter comet]

What else do you expect? This is discord

[civic harness]

Well... they already have a bunch of femenine pokemons

[sly torrent]

i cant help it, i love the maho shoujo genera

[civic harness]

And they want more anime girls

Specially with green hair, for some reason

[bitter comet]

You are foolish for thinking they will ever be satisfied

[sly torrent]

i like cute pokemon ok >_<

ffs Eevee is my favorite for crying out loud

[civic harness]

Im not waiting them to be satisfied, Im waiting for them to choose without romantic interest

[sly torrent]

i just want a cute fusion thats all

and delphox just feels out of place in the Fenekin line to me

strayed a little too far from the more cutsy side that Fenekin and Braxien had

[civic harness]

The most part of the players want that

[sly torrent]

lol

[dry nest]

erm why has no one picked golisopod yet

[sly torrent]

general kenobi! You are a bold one.

[bitter comet]

The swarm must rise to power

[civic harness]

The winners of the events are choosen some pokemons that are good in competitive and cute little things

[velvet root]

I hate slurpuff...

[civic harness]

Tell me, why

[velvet root]

Spriting it is horrible

[agile sun]

skill issue

[sly torrent]

same, but I can still see the potential it has in fusions

though in my case I hate the design

[civic harness]

Oh, long time no see

I say it wrong

[sly torrent]

golisopod/aiegislash

that would be an epic fusion

[civic harness]

Every pokemon have potential, is about creativity

[bitter comet]

A Golisopod body and a Aggron head would also be cool

[sly torrent]

and i can bet there would be at least one straight up general grievious sprite for it like how gardeviouar/aiegislash has a straigt up malenia sprite

[bitter comet]

And TBH the reverse would probably also be cool

[sly torrent]

golisopod/arkenine or ninetails

arcenine*

[dusty arrow]

arcanine*

[sly torrent]

arcainine*

[sly torrent]

lol. FEESH!

[molten latch]

I told you many times

Oh forget it

[bitter comet]

Man, I’m going to remove ice type magikcarp from all the games

[sly torrent]

lol no feesh for you

[velvet root]

F it Slurpuff/Scolipede

[small tiger]

can't disagree with a Scolipede

[bitter comet]

Man, I want to hug this

[small tiger]

honestly when are they gonna ride them like horses

[velvet root]

they probably do

[bitter comet]

Don’t they curl up in a ball and roll around to travel?

I could be thinking of the pre-evolution though

[small tiger]

thats whirilpede

[velvet root]

they can Gallop and roll

[bitter comet]

Ooo cool

[velvet root]

Scolipede still can roll

[small tiger]

but it can gallop

[bitter comet]

Two different modes of travel

[bitter comet]

Normal mode and pancake mode

[velvet root]

In Pokepark 2 you can see it roll too

[bitter comet]

It’s called pancake mode because if you ride it on that mode you will become a pancake

[velvet root]

also found that and hard agree

[bitter comet]

Such dignified goobers

[velvet root]

I love seeing my fav mon ngl

[small tiger]

legs are too long

https://tenor.com/view/4lokogangemperor-coal-gems-soyjak-soyjack-gif-11252992701973331860

[velvet root]

it is a special breed

[small tiger]

true

[velvet root]

5 more mons to go...
Wingull
Swirlix
Fomantis / Lurantis
Ribombee

cuz I made these 4 until now

[velvet root]

Any good ideas?

[bitter comet]

Gyarados body and Malamar head

[bitter comet]

Cool bioluminescent Eldritch horror

[high haven]

Maybe Ribombee and Celibe

[velvet root]

Maybe 🤔

[inland geyser]

chat Avalugg palette is gorgeous

[velvet root]

Ribombee

I wait for the people who say that the Wings arent the same size and I tell them that it is the same wing

[velvet root]

I know

[inland geyser]

Im literally dying its so good

i know i havent appreciated Regice enough but man gimmeeeee

[velvet root]

yeah it has nice ice colors
the purple can be used for more than just ice shading
The yellow eyes are gorgeous and the white Spike can get good use too and gives colors for snow

[stuck bane]

I think this one is obv tho, the wings aren’t same height because mew body tilts to the side a little, and the scarf covers up a little bit of the lower wing, making it look smaller

[velvet root]

true

Guess what

4 more mons I have to sprite

[velvet root]

Wingull
Swirlix
Fromantis/Lurantis

[stuck bane]

I think that’s a fun little challenge, guaranteed to get a sprite in no matter who wins

[velvet root]

First I wanted to do it for every mon getting in
But we only get 2
soooo
yeah

I do the next best thing

to see what mons I will hate if they win

[stuck bane]

Also they apparently love doing tourneys when I have dnd/pathfinder gaming nights, looking forward to at least the one reveal when I get home that night

[stuck bane]

It’s a smart strat, staying informed on what you should or shouldn’t vote later based on how much you like spriting it

[velvet root]

I also like to do it on really hyped up mons

Examples (some are from the first vote)

I even test it if I like a mon already

I remember the Hoopa fans

that one was funny

Also for a Shaymin fan

now...
should I go to sleep or do one more...

its 3 am

[hazy fable]

do you have school or something later?

[inland geyser]

I wana do a shaymin concept and a Zigzagoon concept really badly

not hero Shaymin

[velvet root]

Nah I have my Vacation

Okay I made one with Munchlax

https://tenor.com/view/snacking-viralhog-seagull-eating-fries-hungry-gif-25876719

[inland geyser]

My first gen 3 shiny was wingull

[velvet root]

Man im sure you had some Fries

He is emotie worthy
To show that you get some food or so

Only 3 more mons that I do tomorrow

[wind valley]

Omg! I just want to gently hold all of them!

[velvet root]

One would bite your hand off and the other makes you pay for protection from him
Guess which 2

[hot hamlet]

Personally I think Slurpipede would make a better eclair but I still like it!

[high haven]

You mean to tell me that all fusions with Slurpuff as the head are gonna start with Slurp?

10/10 top dollar mon

[velvet root]

I tried...
It looked ass
Now I have this
I hate slurpuff...

[hot hamlet]

How do you screw up an eclair with nub feet?

[velvet root]

Idk how i did

But it made me hate Slurpuff

[hot hamlet]

Skill issues

[velvet root]

I tried 6 other mons before

[velvet root]

Yes but I still hate it now

[hot hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-nat-0-nat-1-nat--1-dnd-gif-4124914391470355299

[high haven]

"How do you fuck up a menu?"
same energy

[hot hamlet]

Could just make it look like Clodsire with more feet and add a few sprinkles

[zinc prairie]

please get the Yanmega Immunity vaccine

[hot hamlet]

Or icing

[high haven]

?

[zinc prairie]

you’re not protected and could cause the bot to spam

[velvet root]

F it
I throw that Slurpede away
I hated that sprite no matter what so it doesnt matter

[zinc prairie]

I’d still eat it

[velvet root]

https://tenor.com/view/dumping-trash-daniel-labelle-frustrated-garbage-trash-gif-27186872

[high haven]

It was just a quote, chill

[hot hamlet]

You fine. They’re being cautious of a problem that hasn’t happened yet

[high haven]

Ah, gotcha

[rain locust]

cat jumpscare

who should i add besides carbink

[silent acorn]

Yoooooo carbink looks great!

[silent acorn]

The hat looks a soldier helmet that's fantastic

[zinc prairie]

Our end cares about Exca/Conk/Peli/Carbink the most

[alpine rune]

AWAWAWA RIBOMBEE

[zinc prairie]

Ribombee is a cool addition but won’t shake up much

[silent acorn]

Esca?

[alpine rune]

how so? its cute

[silent acorn]

It will definetely shake things up a bit

It's a little pixie we don't got lots of those

It's also a fairy

[alpine rune]

Smol

joltik has competition

[silent acorn]

Imagine we start making stickmen

[zinc prairie]

IF OU Dex really wants a stall breaker the most

For ingame I like Bee

[silent acorn]

What would this be? Slurpuff?

[zinc prairie]

Excadrill and Conkeldurr

[silent acorn]

Huh

[zinc prairie]

Slurpuff is a stick boy

[silent acorn]

I never thought my boy would be a stall breaker

[zinc prairie]

Unfortunately Belly Drum is not allowed

But maybe he’d be a good Ubers pick

[rain locust]

idk about drill

[alpine rune]

say no more-

[zinc prairie]

Yeah I prefer TArrows too but you can just stack both of them on a team

[alpine rune]

To be fair, just ban regenerator

[alpine rune]

https://tenor.com/view/why-are-you-booing-me-im-right-gif-10368876

[rain locust]

looking at conk i dont actually know what to use it with

[zinc prairie]

It’s supposed to be the minmaxed Machamp, better on TR

just vote Carbink and use Champ ig

[alpine rune]

I never liked using TR on singles ngl

[rain locust]

yeah machamp is too close to conk

[alpine rune]

Maybe just me, but I dont know how to squeeze all the juice from TR

[rain locust]

if dex ou doesnt have many tools for tr

[alpine rune]

Different in doubles, I feel like TR is more doable in Doubles

It counteracts tailwind, another common speed control

and (in regular pokemon) counteracts electroweb and icy wind

Most TR users are just bulky, they can take a hit while dish tons under trickroom to opposing fast and frail

in singles, there's a lot of answers to trick room, mainly walls

Tbh i just want cool looking mons

instead of thinking of the meta

[hexed agate]

So you want cool bugs

[alpine rune]

Yess

[silent acorn]

Imagine we ban HAs

[alpine rune]

I hope someone votes golisopod

[hexed agate]

It was runner up last time

[alpine rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1251613798582849666/1259836530533339146/ezgif-1-374130a86b.gif

[alpine rune]

YOU NEVER REVEALED THE POLL RESULTS

HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO- *disconnected

[silent acorn]

Ah truly the IF server

Remember that time one of them revealed Necrozmas secret by accident

And then they scuttle away?

[hexed agate]

Last year? There's a screenshot of it somewhere

[silent acorn]

What I wanna know for real

Is where relicanth stands

[alpine rune]

thats only the starters

[silent acorn]

And where luvdisc is hiding

[alpine rune]

its in the pinned, but the full doc is nowehre to be seen

[silent acorn]

Actually all one stage water types

[hexed agate]

Not that doc

[alpine rune]

Proof or it didnt happen

[hexed agate]

I don't feel like digging for it

[alpine rune]

no one ever shown the poll results

Proof: all of us except the mods didnt know it existed

[silent acorn]

We gto two things

Top 5 of spriters and then bottom of General votes

Illumise, Volbeat, Patrat, alomomola

Surprisingly Basculin wasnt at the pure bottom

Actually it is and yungoos

[alpine rune]

I wonder why

[silent acorn]

The twist is that Luvdisc isn't bottom

[silent acorn]

I dunno. Kinda meh?

I do wonder about the rest though

Legit would like to know how stuff like Relicanth (without relationship to propaganda) is demande

Like how much is it wanted

[rain locust]

Dont Want

[alpine rune]

Tbh Yungoos line is just an unfortunate design in an unfortunate decade + nothing to add gameplay wise

[silent acorn]

That's you but obviously it isn't bottom 5

[rain locust]

gumshoos does add stakeout (which is lowkey broken)

[alpine rune]

i guess, but like theres only ever been 60 showdown players at a time

[silent acorn]

It's the regional normal most of them are let downs except for Dubwool

[alpine rune]

out of like idk 500 000 players

[silent acorn]

Dubwool is pretty ok

[hexed agate]

I want Pursuit Stakeout dark type

[silent acorn]

Remember not all of them are active

In fact...

[hexed agate]

Using Gumshoos

[silent acorn]

Some never return

[rain locust]

pursuit doesnt work with stakeout though

[alpine rune]

does pursuit work with stake out?

[silent acorn]

From the shadow zone

[hexed agate]

Does it not?

[rain locust]

bc it hits the mon currently in not the pokemon it switched into

[silent acorn]

I mean why would it work

[hexed agate]

I thought it boosted things like how pursuit gets boosted

[silent acorn]

It already does that

[alpine rune]

even if we take only 0.1% of them are active thats still 500 players

[hexed agate]

Lame, you're right

[inland geyser]

not if I have anything to say about it

[silent acorn]

Pretty fair. But how many people vote that is a question

[silent acorn]

Ah how nice would this be

[hexed agate]

Don't hate on Luvdisc

[silent acorn]

Atleast a negative one

And then we get trolled because bottom gets added lol

[inland geyser]

ughghghg that would kill me

[silent acorn]

Unfortunately talking about this one is a crime agaisnt pokemanity

It's one of the

"Thou shall not discuss this mon"

Club

[inland geyser]

I wonder why Alomalola never get a prevo

[silent acorn]

It kinda works honestly, you just catch one and it's ready to go

Makes getting luvdisc kinda eh

Because you know it will never develop or evolve past what it is

That is like the extra character in the movie

[inland geyser]

the funny thing is its how you get heart scales, and theres a scale texture contest going on rn

[silent acorn]

Like Unovan Basculin

[inland geyser]

👀

[stuck bane]

Hate, maybe not, but it’s an objective fact that luvdisc has the least reasons besides something like silvally. If someone has more actual reasons than 2 bring it my offer still stands

[silent acorn]

Rock smash

[inland geyser]

oh yeah tru

[silent acorn]

You just get them off of rock smash

It's easier too

No need to go into the menu and remove the stolen item

Farming is fun for money, for that kinda thing... Nope

[hexed agate]

Would you rather Luvdisc and Alomomola or the Monkeys

[silent acorn]

Monkeys

6 in one vote

Team deals with their life choices

[stuck bane]

Monkeys probably

More mons, triple fusion, and monkeys have more reasons than alo and luvdisc combined like 5x over

[silent acorn]

That would be my happy ending

[finite reef]

Monkeys would be so hard to differentiate with body fusions

[hexed agate]

In theory the hair is part of the silhouette

[silent acorn]

But that's the best part

You don't

You just mash all three of them together in a blender

[stuck bane]

Also they have very different tails just saying

[silent acorn]

Also gonna mention but their gimmick isn't the types

[stuck bane]

Or, at least the tips of the tails

[silent acorn]

It's their gestures

[rain locust]

alomomola bc at least its viable

(bannable maybe)

[silent acorn]

See no evil, do no evil, hear no evil

[rain locust]

welll no flip turn ‼️

[silent acorn]

About the only thing Luvdisc has on board is nostalgia and really hard copium

[hexed agate]

I doubt bannable tbh

[glass patio]

monke

[hexed agate]

No flip turn makes it much easier to deal with

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/luvdisc-sharpedo-pokémon-shoal-fish-shoal-gif-14108219723793719945

[stuck bane]

From a comp standpoint yeah you might try taking alo and just having to deal with a wasted slot

But from game perspective monkey 1000%

[glass patio]

monke 👍

[rain locust]

still have to deal with like 120/120 physbulk at +1

[bitter comet]

Man, if luvdisc or the monkeys ever get added I’m going to try to make a meme out of them not actually being in the game/hj

[rain locust]

plus specthief

[alpine rune]

Yea this is why i dnt like singles

I wish I can just [Choice scarf] [Eruption] my problems

[hexed agate]

I can see potential with Alo using Dusclops as a partner

[rain locust]

well you cant just do that in doubles either

[rain locust]

doublade better

[silent acorn]

Alright lemme flip it for you since we have no idea where your namesake is, Luvdisc or Relicanth? You can only have one, which?

[glass patio]

rahhh what the fuck is a competitive 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥

[hexed agate]

Relicanth easily

[eager quarry]

Competitive is an ability introduced in gen 6 that gives you +2 special attack whenever an enemy drops ur stats

[silent acorn]

Alright there ya go easy

[hexed agate]

It shouldve been added with the Regis

[glass patio]

tf

[rain locust]

why doesnt milotic get competitive

[stuck bane]

This I agree with

[silent acorn]

There are other water types who have more deal in them than just being heart shaped fish

[rain locust]

😡🤬

[silent acorn]

Relicanth is an ancient thing

[hexed agate]

Because Chandelier gets Shadow Tag

[silent acorn]

Clamperl evolves into two

[hexed agate]

Relicanth has a map on its side

[glass patio]

is that a thing actually

[silent acorn]

Masquerain is actually pretty cool

[glass patio]

ok it is…

[stuck bane]

Relicanth prob has more reasons than Luvdisc even though I haven’t looked at it

[hexed agate]

Defiant is from gen 5

[rain locust]

relicanth has stats

[stuck bane]

Oh wait competitive didn’t exist in Gen 5 did it

[silent acorn]

It's because it wasn't just design for environmental storytelling if anything Hoenn has many who make you wonder and marvel at the region

[rain locust]

obv would be better if it were rock water though

[eager quarry]

They didnt make competitive in time to make it empoleons hidden ability

Had to wait for gen 9 to fix it

[glass patio]

people weren’t competitive in gen 5? damn

[silent acorn]

They couldn't believe froggo was active back then

[hexed agate]

One can dream

[silent acorn]

He was sweeping

[hexed agate]

Tbf that'd make more sense fusion-wise

[silent acorn]

He would get on stage and stop storms

[stuck bane]

Must’ve not been. I can’t remember any lando T stuff at all

[glass patio]

[hexed agate]

Gen 5 is the premier of Showdown though

Or tailend of gen 4, I can never remember

[stuck bane]

That’s one of the reasons they made Melo their mascot right?

[silent acorn]

Aside from like Basculin most unova mons were pretty good

Well audino got a mega because it wasn't as good

Out of all of them

[stuck bane]

I don’t think I’ve posted basculin yet

[silent acorn]

That one

Atleast Basculin evolved later in a spinoff

[stuck bane]

Basculin: good attack and speed, only water type with access to reckless, only water type body that has access to rock head, only water type to naturally get access to adaptability, and the only water type that gets mold breaker, and the only water type with access to final gambit

[silent acorn]

Still it's nonsense the base ones exist

[glass patio]

oh it’s their mascot?

huh

well that’s interesting

[silent acorn]

A strong attack that can make you sleep I'd imagine it

Then there is Victini

[hexed agate]

Basculin isn't bad as fusion fodder

[silent acorn]

Oh victini

[stuck bane]

Yeah, it says so on pokeathalon at least, there’s a little Melo sprite. Kinda funny how Melo joined after showdown was announced

[hexed agate]

It gives adapt on okay speed

[silent acorn]

You silly freaking bastard. Victini was an Easter egg the 0 pokemon

[hexed agate]

4 abilities?

[stuck bane]

2 stripes

[silent acorn]

I hate basculin because it would have been 8x times cooler if it evolved in unova

Yeah there is two different ones

[hexed agate]

We're lucky to get a single color

[stuck bane]

I know…

[hexed agate]

Ik there's 2, but

[glass patio]

i just realized do almost all roles have icons now or sth

[silent acorn]

They were made different.... For some reason

As if they weren't the same gimmicky thing as Gastrodon but suckier

[rain locust]

i wouldnt say 92/98 phys offense is good, id sooner pick craw

(who gets adapt too)

[stuck bane]

Not great, good, serviceable

[clear lichen]

MR CRAW 🗣️

[silent acorn]

It's usable not groundbreaking

[stuck bane]

Slightly above average

[stuck bane]

Mr daunt

[silent acorn]

I mean compare this

[stuck bane]

There is craw jr tho

[clear lichen]

For what it's worth, Basculin is usually good in low tiers

[rain locust]

https://tenor.com/view/crawdaunt-pokemon-pokemon-crawdaunt-crabhammer-crawdaunt-uses-crabhammer-gif-2056971395516102330

[clear lichen]

By low I mean really low

Like NU low

[rain locust]

me crabhammering the meta to death

[silent acorn]

First is Luvdisc second is Basculin

EXPLAIN

[hexed agate]

It was a good RU clean up Mon for a while

[clear lichen]

Close enough to NU

It has been like PU once hasn't it?

I just averaged it to NU

[silent acorn]

Tell me why the even more basic Feesh is more usable than a predecessor?

[clear lichen]

:/

[hexed agate]

It was barely viable in its debut generation

[silent acorn]

Who supposedly represents the power of loooooove?

I mean the only explanation I can give is that Basculin is actually huge

[hexed agate]

Doesn't Luvdisc get swift swim?

[clear lichen]

Honestly I respect Basculin for not being worthless with only 460 BST

It makes it work in the low tiers

I respect it

[hexed agate]

That's fair

[clear lichen]

Most Pokemon wouldn't

[stuck bane]

Luvdisc is the perfect example of love because if you love something you have to let it go (it is dragging down the rest of your team, just release it already)

[hexed agate]

It's hindered by being monotype, sadly

[clear lichen]

Better than being a slow frail mixed attacker cough cough Camerupt

[hexed agate]

Though with Tera it loves wave crash with reckless

[silent acorn]

What good is swift swim with those offenses? Should have more like cute charm

[clear lichen]

What good is Cute Charm when you're folding in a singular hit?

May as well get buffed

Or get an evolution at least

[rain locust]

give it wonder guard

gg

[hexed agate]

I wouldn't use it for offenses, I'd use it as fusion speed fodder on a support mon

Specially in a draft league

[clear lichen]

Fr

We got that more than 1 HP Wonder Guard

[hexed agate]

r/stunfisk

[clear lichen]

No more instadeath to rocks

[stuck bane]

We talked about this before. It’s stats are so low and it genuinely has so few reasons to be added, there’s a real chance frog does this

[silent acorn]

Ok thats a good reason and more understandable than nostalgia or heart scales

[clear lichen]

I feel like there's better options

[silent acorn]

Yep

[stuck bane]

It’s not gonna be comp, it competes with alo for sprites, it’s not gonna be used in game for heart scales

What else does it have?

[rain locust]

youd nuke every other stat other than speed

[clear lichen]

Especially since weather abilities aren't working rn

[silent acorn]

I mean here is the problem

[clear lichen]

And especially since Floatzel is better Swift Swimmer in every single way

[silent acorn]

Prior to Gen 4 Gamefreak kept making gimmick joke pokemon

Dunsparce was always meant to be a gimmicky joke

[hexed agate]

Some support mons don't care about anything else though

[clear lichen]

Peer pressured into getting an evolution :(

[rain locust]

every support mon wants bulk