pif-hoenn-discussion

[unique flame]

we have space for all mons possible we will have future expansions for sure

[white meadow]

or maybe it isn't the last one??!?!?!

[stuck bane]

Like meloetta before, we’re assuming this channel will stay around until they’re added to the game, and as seen above, there are still people asking about new Pokémon, so the pins here are the easiest way to direct them ||also there totally isn’t another place for me to retreat to so I can keep building up the forces of unova even if this channel does get archived ||

[proud lion]

Of course it’s not the truest last Pokémon to be added to the game. Thanks to the coding discovery, there will be more down the line (ie the Starters). I’m just assuming this channel will be archived, but still available for viewing until the next big event when it gets unlocked.

[livid geyser]

and to think we were only supposed to get twenty

[white meadow]

twenty or so

[stuck bane]

49 is a ton, and I’m super happy with how it turned out (for now, maybe I’ll be able to look at it more objectively after this high of meloetta getting in runs out)

[vestal nymph]

Can we get much higher

[silent acorn]

I am worried about February 14

[glass patio]

#sprite-gallery message
liked making this
cress funny

[glass patio]

luvdisc

[silent acorn]

Don't say that, it actually getting in isnt as good as it sounds

[glass patio]

Nah, not that i want it, just saying it as a joke

[stuck bane]

People said bruxish was a joke and look at where we are

[glass patio]

oh uhm

minior is a joke
fr fr

nah ik it’s not gonna work

i’ve been thinking that maybe if it’s not too hard i could try to do space themed fusions to put some miniors in them

Why is the december pack still not in #downloads
I mean november

[stuck bane]

it...should have been

[undone solstice]

will oricorio ever be able to learn quiver dance?

[stuck bane]

oh wait its not in downloads but its in announcements

[stuck bane]

if you fuse it with something that knows quiver dance yes, unless there's some hoops you want to jump through to get quiver dance on oricorio as an egg move

(if its possible idk if there's a breedable mon with oricorio that knows quiver dance)

[undone solstice]

:/ sadly not then

[stuck bane]

(never mind scratch all of that I was accidentally looking at SV stats, yes this game uses gen 7 so unless you fuse oricorio with volcarona you will never get quiver dance on your oricorio)

[empty pendant]

there's also venomoth, isn't there?

[undone solstice]

there are a lot of pokemon that learn quiver dance

bug

[empty pendant]

yeah but I'm referring to ones that are both in and any good :)

volcarona is by far the best, venomoth is also pretty usable

[undone solstice]

butterfree works aswell

[stuck bane]

I think he was talking about quiver dance on ori naturally so that way it could be dancer and quiver dance in the same package

[undone solstice]

I was

but that's fine, I'm running it with a Mismagius/Volcarona fusion that has quiver dance

[stuck bane]

actually, with the way dancer works, you want your ally to have quiver dance right?

[undone solstice]

yes

the volcarona mismagius has quiver dance and fiery dance

[clever atlas]

Fun fact
The aggron line can learn quiver dance in IF

[inland jewel]

don't let people find out, they gonna bug fix it

[stuck bane]

well with that 4x weakness to ground and fighting of course they'd be quivering

[glass patio]

I know, but it should be in #downloads

[glossy osprey]

Oh no! I gotta spam to hide it!

https://tenor.com/view/spam-spam-lite-food-spinning-gif-17955332

[glass patio]

wth

[glossy osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/spam-spam-intensifies-yum-gif-13948300

[glass patio]

[glossy osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/tin-bee-crypto-live-spam-tin-spam-gif-26706580

https://tenor.com/view/spam-ham-funny-ham-funny-spam-ham-boing-boing-gif-23066956

[silent acorn]

Woowie

I will see you

Tomorrow at sunset

Ye Ye ye

Set me on fire
With your elegance
Let me be your lyre

Maybe you want green
Perhaps you wish to dance?
Trees dancing at you
Quivering those fools

Ye ye ye

The giga effort it takes
Drains even the toughest
Fill that chlorophyll baby

[glossy osprey]

Love the ribombee foreshadowing

or masquerain

If I were to give the poem a rating of 1-10 I'd give it a 10, it touched my soul

[feral bear]

When he said ye ye ye i felt that ish 😤😫

[glossy osprey]

fr

[glass patio]

[hidden relic]

frfr

[silent acorn]

Huh better reception than I expected gonna have to add this as a propaganda slogan

[glass patio]

🤯

[clever atlas]

Wait i legit don't know why shouldn't i talk about that?

[silent acorn]

When you make froggo aware of something he runs and deletes it from existance he is that powerful

[clever atlas]

Ooh is it like an old coding error or something

[glossy osprey]

no it's a feature

a very essential feature

for the game

like, without it the game would crash

that's how important this feature is

[gray vine]

they just like to dance

[clever atlas]

Okay i guess i won't talk about that

[silent acorn]

Make those quiver with my dance moves

[glossy osprey]

who the oricorio?

[silent acorn]

Silverr

[gray vine]

Me

[glossy osprey]

oh mb

it's indeed a good hobby

[sterile verge]

Oy, your username is treading rule 5 territory. Might want to use a different one for this server

[tranquil path]

you mean to tell me their name isnt alluding to taiwanese heartstone streamer and internet sensation TrumpSC?!

[unkempt stone]

I wonder if Bruxish will be post game or not

[zinc prairie]

Alola is island, island is Alola

[south umbra]

weresonic doing the whip and nae nae

[sturdy breach]

It's not like trump is the base version of a verb either 😄

[gusty shuttle]

2028 tho

Is it not re-election day for 'murricans

I mean year
Idk idc

[sturdy breach]

Yeah I guess that's true

[lapis harness]

How many generations of pokemon are in infinite fusion? So far the furthest gen pokemon I've found in pichu or sentret

I know I've seen in videos there being stuff like haxorus

[stuck bane]

Are you playing on classic mode?

Anyways, if you’re just starting out in classic, it’ll be most mons from regular routes like pichu and Sentret (there’s also a pyukumuku at the viridian pokemart for you too), modern is more Gen 3+ mons sprinkled in, and randomized mode makes it so it could be almost any Mon

[prime dust]

up to and including gen 7

all of gen 1 and 2 exist, gen 3-7 is a mixed basket

gen 8+ won't ever happen due to a coding issue

[agile olive]

'coding issue' has a certain connotation

[prime dust]

I mean given the code of IF barely resembles that of the original code [RPG Maker XP + Pokemon Essentials V18], that is def a coding issue

[stuck bane]

I think he means “issue” is an understatement, if somebody (let’s say someone who wanted Gen 8+) heard it was a mere coding issue stopping their fav mons from getting in, they’d argue and complain about it, it’s more like a coding catastrophe

[white meadow]

Btw was there a leak or why do quiet some people make Diancie sprites

[stuck bane]

Majority of those are from ribbon, who just really likes diancie, but afaik there’s no leaks at the moment

[white meadow]

Ooooh

[stuck bane]

Granted, it’s amazing ammo for the next vote and will probably sway a lot of people for diancie, but no confirmations not yet

[lapis harness]

Idk, and how do I change that

[green laurel]

you dont

[lapis harness]

I kinda want to do randomized. How does that work

Nevermind I checked google

[gray vine]

You just press the randomizer mode

[woeful anchor]

What is different between gen 8+ mons and older ones that causes such an issue?

[supple moon]

?

[stuck bane]

Hoooo boy

So originally it was 420 mons that the code could allow for, but then a breakthrough was discovered that allows for more, hence the new mons being added now (although it still takes time)

The underlying issue is that gen 7 is the code this whole game was originally built on, and switching over to Gen 8+ code would require basically remaking the game from scratch with how complicated it is

so unless you want to translate all of Gen 8+ Pokémon essentials, and then all of frog’s personal IF code, and then code it so that both work with eachother seamlessly and easily, then we can get Gen 8+ in the game, which I believe frog said if someone figures it out he’ll add a Mon of their choice into the game (frog himself isn’t a fan of Gen 8+ so he won’t spend his free time doing it, it’ll fall onto the hands of the community)

And to clarify, it is TECHNICALLY possible to manually add Pokémon, but it’s such a time consuming endeavor considering EVERYTHING has to be manually added it’ll never be worth it, so you need to find a way to make the code EASILY add entire sets of code for new mons with very little touch ups to make it work

[prime dust]

rough translation enjoy pain

[obtuse silo]

Hello havent been here for a while..is there anything about a new vote? 🤔

[prime dust]

nope

no telling when or even if there will be another vote; Frogman is swamped at the moment with finishing the modern mode for 6.0, getting Meloette, Bruxish and Cresselia sorted, plus likely fixing any bugs he is able to that are currently plauging the game

[sharp nebula]

[vagrant turret]

Hey, are the new Pokemon in the modern mode encounters table? I was looking at the wiki page for modern mode and didn't see any of them there

[brisk solstice]

Only in the playtest version here #announcements message

[vagrant turret]

Thanks

[white meadow]

No but most new mons are available with eggs or fossils

[trail hull]

trubbish can be found in trash , and I think that sandygast can be found by breaking sandcastles (the first one I'm 100% sure but the second one not sure at all)

[craggy belfry]

definitely can find sandygast with sandcastles

[weak trellis]

make sure you save before you start smashing sandcastles because I don't think they come back

if you're in a nuzlocke specifically then the route 19 ones are probably your best bet since that's a water route otherwise

[pale sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/winterz-soon-gif-19096204

[lament cape]

hey am i alowed too put pictures here?

[brisk solstice]

Depends what pictures lol

[lament cape]

just cute bird pics

[brisk solstice]

Probably best in #off-topic

[lament cape]

ah thanks

well its kinda of a thing i wish was a real thing in game

[brisk solstice]

If it's not a pokemon then it's off-topic

[lament cape]

ah ok well im still kinda new here so thanks

[stuck bane]

The pidgeot you see in the first 5 seconds of the game be like:

[cedar quest]

guys i found the sickest fusions

[inland jewel]

Is it a pokemon that isn't in this game?

[dawn rivet]

So I'm assuming we're just getting mostly every Pokémon from the vote poll? Or what's left

[stuck bane]

check pins to see what is currently in the game (except meloetta, cresselia, and bruxish)

those are all the mons we know about currently coming to the game, we hope more will be coming, but theres never a guarantee on that

not yet at least

[prime dust]

courage...everything on that list but those 3 are in the game already

[stuck bane]

Reread what I said, but say it out loud

[thorny ferry]

why is this channel still here?

is he coming?

[brisk solstice]

I like your joke sprites mat

[inland jewel]

because the 3 revealed mons aren't in yet, so we can still talk about them

[thorny ferry]

your name already tells me which ones you're talking about

[white meadow]

Well Hero said he does everything that it becomes the mon nr 470

[fossil gull]

I’m waiting for the time when someone makes the arceus/ultra necrozma ref fusion to terminalmontage’s arc/necrozma fusion

[silent acorn]

Still alive still kicking

[glass patio]

[cedar quest]

nah its in the gtame

[hidden relic]

Truth be told: No clue

[white meadow]

Cuz people like that channel

[dusk viper]

People are killing it with diancie lately

[white meadow]

Absolutly
I wonder how good Gogoat, Golisopod and Torkoal fusions would look like?

[dusk viper]

Are they coming too?

[stuck bane]

Gogoat and Golisopod I’ve seen bits of, and while both may not be the most mechanically best options, the fusions look great at the very least, Torkoal I’ve seen nothing of yet

[white meadow]

I wish

[stuck bane]

No, only mons listed in pins are here/coming soon

[white meadow]

You didnt see anything from Torkoal but he brings mechanically something and obviously will be good

[stuck bane]

Aight I’ll bite, what does Torkoal bring?

[white meadow]

A good Sunsetter with a fine Movepool
Cool Rock armor with its shell while also bringing a Vulcano and Mountain theme
Being another Reptile with bright colors is another bonus

I open 3 boosters and than send examples

[stuck bane]

Let’s see, technically only Pokémon with white smoke naturally (darkrai gets it as a HA in this game too iirc), only non-legendary/fire type with access to drought naturally, and the only pure fire type with access to shell armor, and a great defense to boot, yeah it wouldn’t be terrible mechanically

[white meadow]

Some Torkoals

Also I found a pic with Tyrangoat

[white meadow]

Talking about I send some goats too and after that some Golisos

[white meadow]

idk why it cutted the Abomagoat

[white meadow]

And the ones I made

So I am 100% sure that Gogoat, Golisopod and Torkoal make great fusions

I also got some ideas on Torkoal just didnt have the time to sprite it

[stuck bane]

One of the only Sun setters and a fine movepool is a fair argument

I’d agree that Torkoal could bring good volcano/mountain fusions, but I honestly think Camerupt could pull it off better

I feel like Torkoal has stuff mechanically, but in order to be called a good pick for fusion potential, they need to bring something no other Mon can: like with meloetta, sure Pokémon like chatot and Chingling could’ve brought some music/instrument fusions, it was nowhere near the scope meloetta has, I’m willing to say Torkoal is at least good, not great

[white meadow]

Also I am a little biased for torkoal cuz my Friend Hero wants it to be added and we know when Hero wants a Mon he has big and great plans for it

[stuck bane]

Although that brings up the question, do we have a tortoise Mon? There’s torterra but those fusions are more for putting stuff on its back, Torkoal could be the first genuine tortoise and bring genuine tortoise fusions

[white meadow]

Also Hero will try to make a Water/Grass/Fire (maybe ground) Tripple Tortoise with Torterra, Torkoal and Blastoise

[stuck bane]

Hmmmm, 2 starters and not a starter is a weird ask for a triple fusion

[white meadow]

Yeah but it makes thematical Sense

[stuck bane]

But as a fusion in game, super weird to show favoritism to only those two

And Torkoal

[white meadow]

I mean he tried once making a Triple bat but since Gliscor isnt officiallyy a bat it didnt become one
(Maybe with Swoobat than)

[stuck bane]

I’m sure it would be a sick fusion, but if triple hitmon fusion is gonna get shut down then I don’t see it standing a chance, triple bat maybe, who are our 3 bats again?

Swoobat/gliscor/noivern could be cool since they’re all 2 stage bats

Oh wait, I think triple hitmon was shut down because they all evolve from Tyrogue, that makes sense

[white meadow]

I meant Swoobat/Noivern/Crobat being triple Bat

[stuck bane]

Yeah but squeezing a three stage with 2-2 stages is really weird

Cause is it a two stage triple evo or a three stage?

[white meadow]

ik

[stuck bane]

Anyways, shuckle is technically a turtle, so shuckle/torkoal/turtonator could be an argument for a triple fusion:

[white meadow]

True

[white meadow]

Shuckle is a worm but idk whyy it is a turtle

[stuck bane]

(Also the defense stat on that fusion would be redonkulous, giving some great move coverage as well)

[weak trellis]

bit late but also blastoise

[stuck bane]

Actually I’m liking this idea of a triple turtle more and more, the name could be shuckoalnator, each one has an ability that could work as the 3 abilities, similar to starter triple fusions: contrary, drought, or shell armor (shell armor is on Torkoal and turtonator so I just gave drought since who doesn’t want sun boosted shell traps? Otherwise shell armor would be a fine single ability with those monstrous defenses)

[stuck bane]

We’re talking about triple fusions, it’d be weird for a Torkoal/torterra/blastoise considering one is a single stage, so the shuckle/torkoal/turtonator is an alternative that might actually be in game (albeit unlikely)

[weak trellis]

yea I can see that more likley

[red radish]

Yeah shuck turtle doesn't describe a shuckle he's more like a parasite inside of coral

[white meadow]

@vague oar heyo
We talk about Turtles

[vague oar]

I’ve been summoned

[white meadow]

Tell us why Torkoal is great

[red radish]

Hey hero your art is pretty solid

I use a few of your sprites often

[vague oar]

Yea but Fire/Grass/Water tortoise

[white meadow]

Our hero has spoken😂

Did you do some Torkoals already🤔

[vague oar]

Just two

This old ones

[stuck bane]

I still think it’d be weird for multiple reasons: squirtle/turtwig/torkoal, Grotle/wartortle/torkoal, just doesn’t sit right with me for those 2 starters to get more love when they’re already part of other triple fusions, I think giving the 3 underrated turtles their own triple fusion would make more sense

But shoot your shot ig, if it gets in it gets in

[glass patio]

this can’t be new pokemon discussion without seeing couragestar each time i open this chat

[glass patio]

those are cool dang

[white meadow]

Very common Hero W

[glass patio]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-pokemon-torkoal-black-smoke-smoke-gif-17640736

never thought about what torkoal fusions would look like but honestly with the smoke they’d be pretty cool

[white meadow]

Also on the body side you can change the Smoke into bubbles or so

[glass patio]

oh right depending on the type

[white meadow]

I think Torkoal has a lot to offer

[glass patio]

i wanna make shedinja with smoke halo now

[white meadow]

YEEEH

you can make a Torkoal/Oddish being a Blunt

Hope I wrote it right

[glass patio]

well i have to work on poliwag line/shedinja that i’m gonna make
don’t have time rn tho

because water halo

https://tenor.com/view/shedinja-plush-spin-gif-11240635259558610356

[white meadow]

Btw since you seem to be a big Shedinja fan
Did you ever see my double shedinja?

[glass patio]

idk ima see

Ohhh that one

I really like it

[white meadow]

Awesome

[glass patio]

honestly i’ve only started to be a shedinja fan like a few months ago before i had shedinja pfp cause it was funny

***can we talk about this one that is a pile of dust ***

[white meadow]

Tbf this server made me like some mons more like Necrozma, Golisopod, Blacepholon or even Torkoal since we have the New Pokemon discussion

[glass patio]

why is it a pile of dust lmao

[glass patio]

Honestly, I started liking shedinja because of infinite fusion

[fleet halo]

I had thought for a sec that was just a shroomish cap

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/game-interface-video-game-buttons-battle-fight-gif-26251367

[brisk solstice]

Endeavor shedinjas

[glass patio]

shedinja the undying

nah frisk why you kill shedinja

[white meadow]

Funny enough that sentence would tell what type Frisks attacks would have

[glass patio]

Oh i just noticed the heads on this one
🙊🙈🙉

[glass patio]

fire ghost flying dark rock

[white meadow]

Now I have to think of COTL

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/worship-cultofthelamb-praise-gif-26454363

[vast cypress]

Three pokemon fusion Gardevoir Meloetta and roseraid

Or gardevoir lopunny roserade

[glass patio]

frogman when r u adding busted form mimikyu
it’s revolutionary
very different from mimikyu fr fr

[zinc prairie]

ambatabuss mimkyu form is already in what more do you need

[glass patio]

what

[stuck bane]

Oh yeah, by the way, I was curious to see in retrospect how accurate the 2020 Pokémon popularity vote was to this vote (in terms of popularity, so including things like raffle/spriter vote, etc.) so here it is

Hoenn: 3/4
altaria (made it), sableye (made it), ludicolo (top 4 of the spriter vote), mightyena

Sinnoh: 2/4
shaymin (raffle), Staraptor, froslass (made it), Pachirisu

Unova: 3/9
starters (top 4 of original vote), victini, scolipede (made it), meloetta (made it), excadrill, Lilligant, cinccino, Emolga, keldeo

Kalos: 7/18
starters (top 2 of original vote), noivern (made it), Goodra (made it), dedenne, Xerneas/yveltal, tyrantrum (made it), Hawlucha (made it), meowstic, Zygarde, diancie, hoopa, Aurorus (made it), Pangoro, Dragalge, gourgeist, trevenant (made it), malamar, heliolisk

Alola: 8/20 accuracy
starters (top 3 of original vote), Lycanroc (made it), Zeraora, Golisopod (top 2 of spriter vote), bewear (made it), cosmog, Buzzwole, silvally, vikavolt, salazzle, kommo-o (too many dragons), marshadow, Tsareena, lurantis (top 3 of spriter vote), togedemaru, toxapex (made it), tapus, Mudsdale, Necrozma (made it), ribombee

So even though they were different votes, almost all the top ones of each region still made it in, as well as other parallels like starters being at the top of each list, so maybe keep an eye out for some of these names in the future

Oh yeah, btw total percentage of accuracy is 41%, so not bad

[high haven]

I love how these guys are just slowly adding new pokemon over time, first Bruxish and now Cresselia. Let's hope Zangoose & Seviper can slide in.

[stuck bane]

Slow drops of additions is a really nice way to keep the game alive for a long time, giving a month or so for each Mon revealed to get a ton of sprites before the next reveal, I’m a super big fan of it too

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/i-couldnt-agree-more-john-krasinski-saturday-night-live-youre-absolutely-correct-thats-right-gif-20212746

Maybe 2+3 lines a month if we get the lucky

[stuck bane]

Even if it’s 2 lines a month, that’s 24 lines per year, the same as the total amount of lines added in this single update (about 4 months), so it’s way easier on frog too, but I imagine with 2 legendary events we shouldn’t be expecting more than 1 reveal a month for a while

[ruby crown]

Is there a request area or recommendation to artists for a fusion idea?

I'm wanting to request a fusion of Absol X Regislash to make a reference to Link's twilight wolf form from legend of Zelda twilight princess

[zinc prairie]

who is Regislash

[ruby crown]

If I spelled it correctly is the pokemon that has dual swords

[zinc prairie]

Doublade?

[ruby crown]

I guess its a sword and shield mb

[zinc prairie]

Aegislash, and for sprite requests #sprite-requests

[ruby crown]

Okay ty

[stuck bane]

Omg, regislash, the only Pokémon that can stand up to regitube

[finite needle]

Wait, is there a Regitube fusion yet?

[vague fog]

someone did one with drifloom

[glossy osprey]

Does regislash mythically exist like Regitube?

[stuck bane]

yes, it will be the introduction of the edge type, granted to many mons such as aegislash line (now edge steel) and absol (dark/edge type), the edge type is super effective against psychic and fairy, but weak against bug and dark, and although it does not hit the edge type for super effective, it should be noted that the edge type is not very effective against normal. Regislash also comes with the signature ability Deflating Aura, which counteracts Regitube's Bouncy Aura, Bouncy Aura raises the attacks and speed of all pokemon on the field by 1, whereas deflating aura lowers the attacks and speed of all pokemon on the field by 1. in addition, if a pokemon with bouncy aura comes into contact with a pokemon with deflating aura, both effects are nullified and both mons take an omniboost decrease in all stats. Granted, it was clear to see why regitube was the more favorable counterpart due to increasing your own stats over decreasing your opponents, but regislash still fills a niche of countering regitube and making it easy for allies to KO. I spent way too much time on this

[glossy osprey]

man regislash would fit like a glove in my team fr

[thin willow]

anyone here know the regi puzzles? im stumped

[agile olive]

are you in the team

[agile olive]

I see my name just above your screenshot lol

[glass patio]

wth

lol

[agile olive]

#1162034336091091004

[glass patio]

of course i am

[agile olive]

just checking. I only just woke up

[alpine rune]

Does anyone know how the stats are calculated?

[glass patio]

i think its that some stats are based on the head and others in the body idk

[alpine rune]

I forgot showdown exists now ima check there

Oh my

Oh my

wtf have I done

[glass patio]

uhhhhhh

[stuck bane]

Arceus’s work

[glass patio]

you made dracovish ig

[alpine rune]

dracovish with +25 base attack, sounds fair

[glass patio]

oh you actually made that sprite lmao

[stuck bane]

This is the only canonical instance of dracovish I accept, ash did not become world champion with a dracovish, he did it with a bruxtrum

[alpine rune]

thank god fishious rend is not in the game

[glass patio]

this is the only bruxish id accept

[stuck bane]

Until frogman manually adds it for bruxtrum and bruxtrum only

[stuck bane]

Actually this build is kind of crazy even without fishious rend: poison fang which is now 75 bp with 50% chance to BADLY poison, psychic fangs and crunch now pack 120 bp+ with no drawbacks, and aqua tail finishes it off with a very strong STAB water type move, by the way did I mention all 4 of these moves hit every type combo in the game for at least neutral damage?

(Although I’m now considering a serene Grace bruxish with 100% chance poison fangs)

[hushed mantle]

Poison fang would be 75 bp, not 100

But at least it learns dragon dance unlike dracovish

[stuck bane]

Just realized thanks for catching me, so maybe dragon dance over poison fang since even badly poison does only small chip damage over time

[dull oar]

fishious rend becomes a tutor move

[stuck bane]

That was the idea, I mean if you look at the BSTs they are literally almost identical, even between 502 and 505, considering all that AND there’s a dracovish sprite for it, I wouldn’t be surprised if he added in as a tutor move for bruxtrum only at all, heck it’s even technically a fossil!

[brisk vessel]

The problem is that Fishious Rend is a gen 8 move so the effect would need to be completely remade from scratch to work

[stuck bane]

Yeah it would need to be added manually, as mentioned above, and I seriously doubt it will ever actually be added, it doesn’t need dragon dance on top of fishious rend, but frog does love his trolls, so it’s not entirely out of the question

[brisk vessel]

True

[stuck bane]

Like, a troll trainer in the middle of nowhere with a bruxtrum that knows fishious rend, and there’s literally no other way to get the move, sounds right up frogs alley

[finite thistle]

Man doesn't get any stab from either of those typings

[stuck bane]

See strong jaw, crunch and psychic fangs are two of the strongest bite moves, and poison fangs I just slapped on to counter fairy, water/dragon’s singular weakness beyond other dragons, although a better build would probably be something like aqua tail, crunch, dragon dance, and something else

[zinc prairie]

I would use Bruxish at base straight up

[finite thistle]

I've been tossing around the idea of Raticate/Bruxish because Normal Psychic is decent typing and the stats aren't too bad either. A little slow, but nothing a Scarf can't fix

Weavile/Bryuxish is also pretty dope

[brisk vessel]

Klefki about to hit you with the prankster Thunder Wave and there is nothing you can do about it

[zinc prairie]

Ironically Bruxish has Dazzling as an ability

[stuck bane]

As a fan of meloetta, I can unfortunately tell you normal/psychic is a terrible typing, especially offensively, sucker punch is still SE against you

[brisk vessel]

Normal Psychic is pretty bad offensively, but it does have it's Defensive merits

Like being a psychic completely immune to ghost

[stuck bane]

Yeah but klefki has to play mind games on whether I’m strong jaw or dazzling and it’s the Tera argument all over again

In general, normal psychic is awesome, in competitive, dark types are everywhere and it just doesn’t work out

[finite thistle]

Psychic unfortunately doesn't pair well with a lot of types defensively. Fighting and Fairy are the only ones I can think of that are net positives for both types

Normal is a decent runner up because at least it doesn't add any weaknesses

[vivid yarrow]

It's almost like you can't remove the psychic type and fuse it with a ghost type

Steel/psychic would like to say hello though

[stuck bane]

Yeah, you cant! because we were talking about a raticate/bruxish that doesn't get ghost typing! I was just using meloetta as an example since it hasn't been the best in the history of competitve (non-IF). and yeah, steel/psychic was good, look at jirachi, it was good until about the time the prankster and dark type meta started, so in single player non-competitive, yeah, steel psychic and normal psychic have been great typings, in competitive is a completely different story though (look at all the showdown players who were hype about bruxish being revealed so they could get a psychic type immune to priority sucker punch)

[fleet halo]

God is Raticate really the best hyper fang user

That's rough

[stuck bane]

I mean, idk it was just one munchrai was throwing around, I can check

[fleet halo]

Nah the only other one we have is Bibarel

Which is decent, but it's like comparable. As are the others we don't have tbh

[stuck bane]

yeah, raticate is prob the best for that speed

although gumshoos breaks 100 attack so there's that, it also has the best HP out of them all at 88, so maybe it's gumshoos

[fleet halo]

for sure, altho it already comes with Strong Jaw so it's not really breaking new ground to fuse it with bruxish

[weak trellis]

and if you're using beaver you already have two better abilities to choose from anyway

(er, arguably better for unaware if you're not in modern mode)

[stuck bane]

oh, so it does, still bruxtrum has proven even if both mons can have same abilities doesn't mean fusing them can't have potential, psychic fangs and hyper fang on the same mon could have potential, I think gumshoos gets a fighting type move somewhere right?

[vivid yarrow]

Fair enough

Don't forget Metagross exists. My baby is stronk

[stable venture]

so what are the chances zangoose gets in pokemon infinite fusion

[brisk solstice]

1 in however many pokemon are left between 465 and Gen 7 cap

[stuck bane]

The same as seviper, which is surprisingly kind of likely:

[brisk solstice]

likely based on speculation

[stuck bane]

Kind of does a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence, but if you remove the competition there’s a real chance: lurantis and Golisopod have big followings so they might be out by next spriter vote, so does spheal and minior, archeops too, and that leaves you only really contending with ludicolo/tropius/crustle, 2/3 of which are hoenn mons which make them likely to just be picked as bonuses by frog or staff

So if the next spriter vote rolls around, it’s likely most of these guys won’t be in the top 10 anymore just due to their sheer popularity

[glass patio]

https://tenor.com/view/minior-minior-pokemon-pokemon-i-only-stand-for-one-flag-minior-nation-gif-23996712

MINIOR SUPREMACY 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[dusty arrow]

im gonna put this here

[brisk vessel]

Ngl I actually like Origin Dialga more than the normal version

[alpine rune]

i have a soft spot for primal kyogre. As for the latest installment legendary, i like the funny fire fish

[stuck bane]

Virizion over cobalion is a weird one, also resolute keldeo being that much higher than regular keldeo is a weird one too, but this seems to be a personalized list so I can’t complain maybe keldeo’s cosmetics really do it for you

[sturdy breach]

I prefer Virizion over the others in the trio (and Keldeo) as well tbf

Also regular Virizion > Iron Leaves by far in my opinion

[stuck bane]

It’s just funny how he put resolute keldeo 7 tiers above regular keldeo despite it only being a cosmetic change

[alpine rune]

Same...

I'd put the feazantipiditipid

[sturdy breach]

It's missing the 3 original regis for me

[stuck bane]

Wow they’re that bad for you huh?

[alpine rune]

Ogerpon is very much up in the top 3, just shy from the two fishes

[sturdy breach]

Ogerpon, Kyogre, and Celebi are probably my top 3

Hopefully they will still be selling the Ogerpon plushie when I go to Japan in May

[alpine rune]

MF that dog looks like straight out from a meme i cannot take the poison trio seriously

[sturdy breach]

I kinda like Fezandipity to be honest, I just hate it's name

[stuck bane]

Nah nah I was talking about the Regis, like I know they’re not the best but regirock at least has a soft spot in my heart after I got wondertraded one

[alpine rune]

oh sr mb

[stuck bane]

Poison trio is like all bad besides fezandipiti which is decent, all good dw

Anyways I think my top 3 are Melo/jirachi/Ogerpon until otherwise stated, zekrom and heatran are trailing close behind too

[alpine rune]

I dont like the poison trio, period. idk why they just dont look all that appealing.

[sturdy breach]

The placement of the Eon Duo though on that list

Their megas suck so bad, but I love the base forms

[stuck bane]

I think it’s just personal bias/meme list, I wouldn’t take it too seriously, hence the keldeo comment

[sturdy breach]

True

[alpine rune]

The ruinous quartet feels more unique, the poison trio looks bland in comparison.

[stuck bane]

Like, imagine if ogerpon wellspring mask was S tier, and all other ogerpon forms were 10 tiers below it

[sturdy breach]

I mean... Fezandipity gets dragged down by the other 2 in the trio

[alpine rune]

I forgot that they are called the loyal three lol

[stuck bane]

I mean, they couldn’t really have a more serious look ||knowing what we know from the epilogue|| but yeah it’s fair to not like em

[sturdy breach]

Ugly male bird wants to be beautiful, looks feminine af afterwards

[alpine rune]

Do you guys think they'll add a 470th mon?

[stuck bane]

Eventually, current speculation has it for a valentines reveal since the cresselia rush suspiciously ends 3 days before then

(But also it’s a day after lunar new year iirc so idk)

[alpine rune]

luvdisc confirmed?!

[dusty arrow]

the tierlist is mostly a joke but do portray my feelings about them

like i genuinely love regigigas so much hes such a cool legendary

and fezandipiti is the only loyal whatever that isnt ugly

if the new paradoxes were in the list

[stuck bane]

He is a cool legendary ||besides slow start||

[dusty arrow]

iron boulder and gouging fire would be in extra cool
the other two would be in actually good

also wo-chien is absolutely a joke

[dusty arrow]

gamefreak puts him in the game with no abilities
still gives him slow start

[stuck bane]

our main Valentine’s Day contenders are:
Alomomola (heart shape)
Swoobat (heart stamp/shape/swoon)
luvdisc (heart shape)
aromatisse (fragrances?)
slurpuff (v-day chocolates/sweets)
Manaphy (heart swap)
Magearna (soul heart/heart swap)
Volbeat/illumise (fireflies)
Diancie (heart shape on mega)

[dusty arrow]

i think the highest chance is luvdisc

for the peak funny potential
luvdisc/unown

[stuck bane]

Ok but Swoobat is literally the courting Pokémon on top of like 5 other reasons, Brux was only chosen because it was underrated, luvdisc literally has like 2 things going for it

[dusty arrow]

swoobat IS underrated

and also gives us a special attacker with simple (swoorona)

[stuck bane]

Hold up

[dusty arrow]

huh

[stuck bane]

Swoobat: team rocket Mon, good speed, only psychic type besides cosmog to get unaware, only flying type to get unaware, also only psychic and flying type to get simple, only flying type to learn heart stamp, and only psychic type head that can also learn heart stamp, also the only psychic type head to learn assurance, and the only flying type to learn odor sleuth

[dusty arrow]

unironically think resolute keldeo is so much cooler than base

[unique flame]

when is the american velentine's day?

[stuck bane]

Feb 14th

[stuck bane]

Here you are @dusty arrow , I got these little list of reasons for every unova Mon

[dusty arrow]

mix of personally liking verizion more and verizion having an amazing shiny

[dusty arrow]

do one for the best regional rock (gigalith)

[unique flame]

frog would do luvidisc because its funny

[stuck bane]

Already did, 1s

[dusty arrow]

what about uhh

..shit all my favorite gen 5 mons other than archeops and terrakion are in

[stuck bane]

Gigalith: is a Mon used on ash’s team, the only pure rock type (head and body) with access to sand stream, and serves the same role with sand force as well, and also brings great attack and defense, it’s also the only pure rock type to get smack down as well (the only 100% accurate physical rock type move besides accelerock), and the only fully evolved pure rock type with access to power gem, and the only fully evolved pure rock type to get harden

[brisk vessel]

why is getting Harden a good thing

[dusty arrow]

dugtrio

[stuck bane]

Did you not read what I just said, Brux was chosen because underrated, unlike luvdisc who literally has 2 things, luvdisc is way too hella overrated and people are taking the bruxish thing too seriously

[dusty arrow]

but you gotta admit
luvdisc WOULD be pretty funny

[brisk vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-prowler-meme-gif-5126004947060335559

[unique flame]

its not the first time, bruh pulled out stunkfish and refused to elaborate for 4 years

[stuck bane]

I only did moves available at level 1, I don’t feel like killing myself doing every move ever, so they could basically be available at any time in a randomizer, just talk to the Pokémon center and you got it

[dusty arrow]

i mean ground/electric is pretty unique as a typing
...
but it also gets limber so its usele

[stuck bane]

Ok but stunfisk is very funny by making every Mon roadkill so

[brisk vessel]

stunfisk lets you make flat pancakes of pokemon

[unique flame]

he did the funny fish 2 times nothing will stopped him to do the third time

[dusty arrow]

add ice type magikarp

[unique flame]

do we have any ice type- fish (in pokemon in general)

[dusty arrow]

i think the closest we got is arctovish?

[stuck bane]

There’s the one Gen 8 one but that’s not canon

I can tell you the closest ice type that isn’t actually a water type is Beartic

[dusty arrow]

fossil pokemon tierlist

s++ tier: archeops, armaldo
s tier: arctozolt
a tier: everything else

z tier: bastiodon

[brisk vessel]

they buffed bastiodon in gen 9

[dusty arrow]

how so

[brisk vessel]

he can actually deal damage now (body press)

[dusty arrow]

i mean avalugg also got that
still sucks though lmao

[brisk vessel]

ok but avalugg dies to like 1 special move
bastiodon doesnt

[dusty arrow]

ok but avalugg doesnt have two very common 4x weaknesses

[unique flame]

i think we are fine with fossils right now we have the best ones now that we have the gen 6 ones

[dusty arrow]

and can deal damage with stab

[stuck bane]

But that’s because of sturdy, stealth rock nullifies that so Riolu kills bastiodon

[brisk vessel]

tera:

its better than avalugg at least

[dusty arrow]

are you going to waste tera on one mon so its not completely useless

[brisk vessel]

if im playing on lower tiers then yea i might as well

[dusty arrow]

it very much isnt

[stuck bane]

So it didn’t really get buffed, it just has tools at its disposal that a bunch of other mons got

[dusty arrow]

if you want a rock/steel type just use aggron man..

[brisk vessel]

its a buff considering it didnt have those before

[stuck bane]

Fair enough

[brisk vessel]

he isnt in sv + no body press

[dusty arrow]

also i put bastiodon in z tier because its ugly as shit

[dusty arrow]

womp womp

[unique flame]

i would love slurpuff, we could make diferent sweets

[dusty arrow]

belly drum unburden.....

[unique flame]

THAT TOO

[dusty arrow]

literally peak funny

[unique flame]

• mono fairy

[dusty arrow]

im going to make belly drum unburden metapuff that is fairy/steel

[stuck bane]

Wait does Slurpuff actually have stuff going for it? I know it’s one of the only 9 fairy heads available in the entire game but besides that

[dusty arrow]

it gets belly drum, unburden, and is cute

[unique flame]

• diferent candies as sprite

[dusty arrow]

plus food themed fusions

[unique flame]

look at him

[dusty arrow]

say no to that face

[unique flame]

he's pre is also fire

[dusty arrow]

wanna know what we need in the game?

[unique flame]

sylvally

[dusty arrow]

crawdaunt and diggersby.

[stuck bane]

Ok, so it gets belly drum as an egg move, probably not gonna come up in game, though you can fuse it with a belly drum user and get basically the same result, and have more options since it can be head or body fairy type

[stuck bane]

Please tell me you didn’t do those for the names

[dusty arrow]

crawdaunt gives us: adaptability mon with boosted crabhammer and crunch/knock off, dragon dance, and close combat

diggersby gives us a ground type with huge power and can give us cool ear fusions

[alpine rune]

My main thought process is that only 1 mon cuz 470th only

like single evo line

[stuck bane]

I doubt it’ll end only at 470, this seems like an ongoing thing, frog at least wanted to end this one at 469 because memes similar to 420

And we do know, at least a few days before the bruxish reveal, that 470 wasn’t decided, it might’ve been decided now, but it wasn’t decided when cresselia/bruxish were planned

[alpine rune]

"oh when I make a 69 joke suddenly im banned for 1 week in this server"

is what i would've said

[dusty arrow]

diggersby also helps in the case that we wont have to waste our item on thick club for a ground type fusion with huge power

[alpine rune]

Eh fuck it, I dont care anyways. I just find it a tad bit rubbing salt in the wound if they did go for the 69 joke

funny to be sure, just a bit ticked off for what had happened

[stuck bane]

I’m sure more will be added later, but to end off 2023 he wanted 469

[dusty arrow]

what if they add a dragon type? it is the year of the dragon after all

[alpine rune]

Im looking at you MILIAN

[alpine rune]

isnt cresellia already a stand in for lunar new year?

[dusty arrow]

i guess but ehh

i just wanna see my boy drampa in

[alpine rune]

True true, I also want drampa

[stuck bane]

Year of the dragon was probably best for a new years reveal, something we considered before cresselia reveal, so its unlikely we get a dragon for year of the dragon, but dragons are super popular so it’s possible to just see them in general

[dusty arrow]

drampa also has a fucking busted moveset

[alpine rune]

If meloetta makes waifu fusions, I just want drampa just to make grandpa fusions

[dusty arrow]

glare, hydro pump, fire blast

[dusty arrow]

arson.

[stuck bane]

I’ve changed my mind, Granbull/Drampa is S tier if I understand naming conventions right

[dusty arrow]

granpa
lmao

[alpine rune]

https://tenor.com/view/ninjala-genryusai-ninjala2d-cartoon-anime-episode1-old-gif-20332457

[alpine rune]

this would just be drampa/hitmonlee

[dusty arrow]

swoobat/drampa
swoopa

[stuck bane]

Mr. Pa

[alpine rune]

Mr. Pa

[dusty arrow]

mr. sir

[stuck bane]

Ima have breakfast but ima go check showdown later, I’m sure Drampa has some good ones like Popplio

[dusty arrow]

goodra + dampa
goopa
goomba

[alpine rune]

Druddigon would also work ig

I forgot about druddigon

[dusty arrow]

druddigon is one of those mons i actually forget exist

[stuck bane]

Druddigon: only dragon type to naturally get rough skin, only dragon type that gets sheer force, and a great attack, as well as good defense and special defense, and 100%’s all dragon types from unova

[alpine rune]

its a single stage pokemon too

[dusty arrow]

did druddigon have a third ability??

was it unnerve?

im going to try and sleep since i stayed up basically all night

see you guys later

[stuck bane]

Druddigon does get mold breaker, but it has to compete with Haxorus as a pure dragon with mold breaker, so I just didn’t include it, I attempted to keep the reasons unique so people really couldn’t argue against them

[wanton cliff]

Waifu grandma fusions

[silent acorn]

I could see A mix of Drampa/Gardevoir being a very cute mix.

[marsh yew]

Druddigon is actually kinda nice

Still, IMO the priority ought to be completing pairs of version exclusives and counterparts; Amaura was almost going to be Sableye 2.0

(And Zygarde is something with a ton of potential IMO)

[hallow talon]

So like
I think druddigon is a mechanically reasonable option, good reasons have been listed

However I also think it looks ugly so nah

[stuck bane]

lilligant first, and then the rest, there is literally no counterpart who has been added as an overworld mon, just to be deleted as an overworld mon, lilligant has to get in first if we're talking counterparts who deserve it. Otherwise, stuff like gothitelle, camerupt, and cosmog line could be fun

[marsh yew]

Yeah, give Lilligant and goth tower

[gloomy orbit]

dont know if this been sugested before probebly whas but what about adding the new evolutions to old lines from gen 9

[stuck bane]

basic reason: coding nightmare, was built on gen 7 code, and you have to translate like 3 different codes to make it work, the dev has put up a bounty of adding someone's mon of choice if they can figure it out, but the dev himself doesn't want to bother since he's not a big fan of gen 8+

[gloomy orbit]

okey fair enough.

[stuck bane]

List of Counterparts, ones in bold are the ones we're currently missing:

Shiftry and Ludicolo (version exclusives)
Camerupt (counterpart of sharpedo)
Skuntank and Purugly (version exclusives)
Lilligant (counterpart of whimsicott)
Gothitelle (counterpart of reuniclus)
Archeops and Carracosta (fossil counterparts)
Escavalier and accelgor (evolve with eachother)
Braviary and Mandibuzz (version exclusives)
Heatmor and Durant (rivals like zangoose and seviper)
Gourgeist (counterpart of trevenant)
Slurpuff and Aromatisse (version exclusives)
Dragalge and Clawitzer (version exclusives)
Xerneas/Yveltal/Zygarde (make up the aura trio)
Turtonator and Drampa (version exclusives)
Cosmog Line (counterparts of necrozma)
Buzzwole and Pheromosa (version exclusives)
Celesteela and Kartana (version exclusives)
Stakataka and Blacephalon (version exclusives)

so dang I really thought I was missing some, but it's literally just the 2 unova girls plus camerupt and cosmog that we're missing

[sullen elbow]

I know that people say it's not very necesary but we are also missing gourgeist

[empty pendant]

plusle and minun are counterparts that we have neither of :)

[unique flame]

AND I HOPE IT KEEPS THAT WAY /hj

[empty pendant]

lmaoooo
also gen 5 fossils would be counterparts

[dusty arrow]

so would rampardos and bastiodon

[empty pendant]

we have those in already

[sullen elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/dbz-discord-gif-24306382

[dusty arrow]

do i care

[fleet halo]

Well that is what the list is about

[dusty arrow]

nuh uh

[stuck bane]

wait HOW DID I MISS THAT ONE thank you for reminding me they're obviously counterparts even if not directly version exclusives

[unique flame]

i need to better my gourgeist propaganda for next expansion

[dusty arrow]

no thanks

[stuck bane]

im only putting stuff that wasn't already bundled together in the vote, hence why plusle/minun and zangoose/seviper aren't on the list, they were already bundled

[dusty arrow]

plusle and minun provide nothing

[stuck bane]

im sure they got something, above luvdisc at least, as funny as it would be

[dusty arrow]

luvdisc has the funny
plusle and minun arent even funny

they are a horrible pika-clone we dont need
i would actually prefer skuntank

[silent acorn]

They have a nice palette, shame is they aren't like a single pokemon like Tandemous is.
Kinda stupid that Minun and Plusle aren't like a single pokemon you could call
MinPlus or Plusmin

[dusty arrow]

they are two pokemon that look the exact sams and would take two slots

[silent acorn]

Yeah I know I was just saying since Courage asked what they got above luvdisc

[dusty arrow]

they give us heart fusions and thats it

[silent acorn]

And no, luvdisc is irredeemable
Here we go again how did I know

[stuck bane]

WHERE FUNNY, Luvdisc would be funny BECAUSE ITS LITERALLY THE WORST ONE, plusle and minun at least have the good palette

[unique flame]

theres no good paltte better than pink

[dusty arrow]

plusle and minun give.. a +- aesthetic that we could just use with the literal magnets

[stuck bane]

alomomola gives heart fusions AND MORE

[silent acorn]

Getting luvdisc is like buying a shitty knife and stabbing yourself on the foot with it

[sullen elbow]

and there's many pink mons

[dusty arrow]

and also its palette isnt even that good

[silent acorn]

Alomomola, give you more colors, it's bigger, has better stats more moves. And can hold the stupid scales just the same

[stuck bane]

also, to everyone arguing "but luvdisc would let us farm heart scales!" did you even play the game you can get heart scales before mt moon

[unique flame]

yeah they are kinda mid, the only upside are the + - stuff

[silent acorn]

Yeah you get heartscales breaking rocks I don't know why you wanna change that

[dusty arrow]

what do heart scales even give

[unique flame]

spinda alone give more than plusle and minus together

[silent acorn]

Wh... Why are you even asking that, what did you even want luvdisc for then?

[dusty arrow]

spinda would literally give us contrary
and also i like spinda :)

[silent acorn]

Spinda is s tier. No cap.

[dusty arrow]

no i just want to know what heart scales do in game since we just need money to change moves

[unique flame]

but you are right about alomomola being better if you think im diasgreing on that

[silent acorn]

You just give them to some tutor I don't remember which. But you get lots just breaking rocks

[unique flame]

better pink too

[stuck bane]

heart scales give you exclusive moves if your pokemon can learn them, like ho-oh getting v-create, costs heart scales, theres some others too but thats the general gist

[silent acorn]

The fact Luvdisc was voted higher than Alomomola should make it more than clear why I am defending the sun fish

[dusty arrow]

oh so thats how ambipom gets double iron bash

[stuck bane]

yeah, the fact that luvdisc was above bruxish AND alomomola was a travesty, considering both are better than it

[silent acorn]

In every single conceivable way they are

[stuck bane]

most of the staff also said this was the reason they pushed for bruxish, A. it was funny, and B. it actually had mechanics and fusion aspects above luvidsc and they felt bad

luvdisc is heavily missing the second part

[dusty arrow]

idk why people are mad about bruxish
it gives us an actually good physical psychic stab thats also boosted by its ability

[silent acorn]

We should get some staff opinion on Luvdisc honestly, if they want it, I am gonna stop resisting

[unique flame]

plus dazling is also good in some builds and the stats are not ass

[stuck bane]

dazzling is another crazy one too that competitive players were super happy about

[silent acorn]

Like if its staff I aint gonna complain if they added Watchog

[dusty arrow]

im going to complain because its fucking watchog and we couldve gotten something like archeops

[silent acorn]

Honestly wonder what staff thinks about archeops.

[dusty arrow]

i love archeops

[stuck bane]

considering one of them has (ARCHEOPS) I imagine its pretty high for at least one of them

[silent acorn]

Eh I am gonna let them go with it.
Though if we are adding archeops and not carracosta doesn't make sense to me, so Imma skip that option next time

[dusty arrow]

plus archeops gives us strong ass stats for both physical and special attackers

and also isnt butt ugly like slaking

[silent acorn]

I have priority for minior

[stuck bane]

Fossils: if chosen, 100%’s the fossils from every region, both mons and preevos are unique and make for cool fusions, dropping defeatist from archeops gives a great BST with no drawbacks, and Carracosta would be the only water type with solid rock, carracosta also brings great defense and good attack, while archeops brings great attack with good special attack and speed, and archeops is also the only non-legendary rock type able to learn quick attack

Watchog: meerkat fusions, only normal type that gets access to illuminate (combo it with scyther for STAB false swipes with double chances of finding wild Pokémon, in addition to watchogs great level up movepool of confuse ray, sand attack, hypnosis, super fang, mean look, etc.), also has an early level up at level 20 (can be obtained directly after Brock on hard mode with level caps), also brings the names Mr. Hog and Mr. Rat, and the only normal type to naturally learn low kick

[silent acorn]

Problem is you only add 1 of those fossils unless froggo decides to be a saint again

Honestly Minior is very attractive to me, it's a one off, neat and is standalone meaning it doesn't need more

[stuck bane]

they're counterparts, I have faith that if even only one gets in, the other will too (heck frog might just do it for the sake of 100% fossils and completing the fossil maniac quest forever)

[silent acorn]

Maybe who knows tho

[dusty arrow]

10000 pickaxe reactions

(i would cry)

[silent acorn]

The thing I see is that they would have to do another blitz or surprise additions, and no idea if they could do it again

[stuck bane]

we do know that although minior didn't win it, frog vetoed it in the staff vote, we don't know for what reason, maybe he wants it to be 2 slots, maybe the code is weird with SM, but for whatever reason, minior was vetoed for now

[silent acorn]

Form change maybe, he probably didn't want to do it more times.
Although is minior isn't in the next poll vote that's gonna make some people sad I am sure. I would lose a option to give a 3 for sure.

[dusty arrow]

i dont think minior would be too hard since we have both aegislash and mimikyu

[silent acorn]

Aside from the stats I don't really care much for Archeops that's my problem, it's honestly one of my least favorites of Gen 5, the stats didn't really give me an incentive back then.

[stuck bane]

apparently when you hack SM to try and get a minior without shields down, it starts out in core form, so that code could be interacting with frog's built code weird

so is it starting in core form? meteor form? which one do you start with if you fuse the ability off of it? would you make it 2 slots like meloetta? is it fair to even be 2 slots? or do we want 1 slot like aegislash and mimikyu? these are all things that need to be considered in addition to the code and it takes time

[silent acorn]

I think main issue is form change. The difference between shields up and down is quite drastic so from design it would have to be 2 slots

[zinc prairie]

You be having too much time to research hobbies

[silent acorn]

He asking the questions many don't

It also affects how the choice of the mon would be later

[silent acorn]

Honestly what's your top Gen 5 mons?

[zinc prairie]

Shields Down in SM is probably similar to how Wonder Guard works in this game where no matter what has it the mon is tagged to have 1 HP

Gen 5 in game and Gen 5 outside are two different beasts lol

[silent acorn]

Honestly want Excavalier I just wanna make bug knights

[stuck bane]

i'll get back to you, I gotta think on it, lilligant for sure, I'll think about the others, but truth be told I want them all after researching them all, they're all super underrated

[silent acorn]

They were balanced better than most previous gens, nearly none of them are like crap crap, unless by design like the monkes or watchog

[unique flame]

Valentine Will be accelgor excavalier copium

I Love acellgor

[glass patio]

minior also starts with core in showdown but immediately switches to meteor when sent out

i think it should just be core when it doesn’t have shields down

[stuck bane]

oooo, very interesting, I suppose it would have to work in showdown so there must be a way to code it, maybe the game's code is more complicated than showdown's

[glass patio]

I did a quick screen record

gen 5 sprites in showdown are nice

yea there it starts with core

[glass patio]

so it should be like this

even if they don’t add both forms with different dex numbers, it’d still have to switch stats with shields down

[sullen elbow]

It also does that in main games

[glass patio]

i dont have either a 3ds or switch so i dont really know much bout that

but huh k

[blazing wyvern]

Y'know what would be a cool concept if sawsbuck changed types based on its season

[white meadow]

isn't that already it's whole gimmick

[blazing wyvern]

No it just changes appearance

[white meadow]

oh types

[blazing wyvern]

yeah like Ice/Grass for winter and Fairy/Grass for spring, etc.

[stuck bane]

I think that’s too much to ask, so what it loses the normal typing?

[white meadow]

fire for summer and what for autumn?

water? since it is kinda humid

[blazing wyvern]

Ig autumn would keep the normal type

that way the og type isn't completely lost

[white meadow]

is it really a loss to not have normal tho?

[blazing wyvern]

fr

wait wut other mons are normal/grass besides that line?

[stuck bane]

I don’t think this will ever be implemented, PIF tends to not deviate from the main games too much ||also don’t make my boy winter Sawsbuck get the dreaded 4x weakness||

[blazing wyvern]

damn that's right it would have a 4x weakness to fire

just saying it would be a pretty cool concept.

also another idea make it change its season with specific held items

[stuck bane]

Also that would make Sawsbuck super broken, horn leech on a fire/ice/fairy/normal/grass type

[blazing wyvern]

it wouldn't be all them at once just one but yeah horn leech is really good and is only balanced by sawsbuck being not all that good

[white meadow]

i mean it's basically just physical giga drain

[stuck bane]

Yeah, but all those on top of fusion is stupid rediculous potential, steel/fairy comes to mind as a really good one, and now it has horn leech to counter ground for SE and healing

[blazing wyvern]

yeah but I'm really just spitballing ideas for maybe future main/side games, as it would give sawsbuck a little niche, cuz some of those types would be interesting, not really balanced around fusion.

[stuck bane]

So… wouldn’t that go in off topic? This channel is for discussing new Pokémon that could come to the game

[blazing wyvern]

ah sry just saw this and thought it would go in here cuz of the name, thought it was more about new pokemon games.

[stuck bane]

You’d be looking for scarlet and violet channel then, all good, I imagine that channel is a congregation playing the current games/awaiting new ones

[glass patio]

https://tenor.com/view/chandelure-lamp-pokemon-spin-gif-19327031

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-dead-chat-dead-chat-xd-gif-24629150

[alpine rune]

Me playing pokemon unite be like:

[glass patio]

shedinja doll best pokemon unite item

because funny

and i havent played that game in a long time cause idk i got bored

[zinc prairie]

My joycons broke from playing too much unite 💀

[sterile verge]

Bro joycons break if you breathe on them too hard I'm surprised they lasted more than 1 game of unite 💀

[hushed mantle]

The olives

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/james-team-rocket-inkay-hug-pokemon-gif-25091089

best contrary mon in my opinion

also with its Evo we could get some neat ref fusions

but we’ll I m a fan of ghost psycic and dark types

[stuck bane]

You know it’s only psychic and dark tho right? I’m 95% sure Inkay isn’t ghost either

Yep not ghost, but it still has stuff going for it, only Mon with natural contrary (can give opponent contrary in randomized nuzlockes), also being the only psychic and dark contrary user opens up potential for 2 types over 1, unlike lurantis and Serperior (though their stats may be better for supporting contrary)

[prime dust]

we only care about the possibility

the true chaos its evo brings

if you fuse Malamarr with Hitmontop...does it break the fabric of space time

[deft obsidian]

New 2 stage mon?

[stuck bane]

Not confirmed, we’re just discussing the potential it could bring if it were announced for the game, see pins to see what is currently in/announced

[silent acorn]

Close combat+Contrary goes 🪨

Seriously how can I not want the Malamar Infernape combo, HOW.

Say you give a Malamar/Infernape contrary, a choice band plus CLOSE COMBAT. You'll be killing stuff while having stab, while getting both defenses boosted

The only weakness to my idea is the fact you face a ghost type

Close combat can have like 8 pps. Choice scarf is only bad on this if the foe is Ghost. But they aren't doing much to your Dark/Fighting fusion.

Oh and if you face a fairy yeah that's also bad

[stuck bane]

I still hate how some of my favorite mons like Hydreigon/scrafty/Pangoro all became horrible thanks to the introduction of fairies and now everyone sees them as a joke

But yeah the close combat Infernape is a good one

This is interesting

Probably won’t come up much, but it’s interesting that mold breaker mons can still lower stats of opposing contrary mons

[inland jewel]

i know in showdown people already run molderbreaker for a ton of other reasons

[silent acorn]

People need to get on the Malamar train, making eldritch fusions is so cool cooler than making snail dragon fusions anyhow

[brisk solstice]

We have eldritch fusions at home

[silent acorn]

Nah that's Squidward fusions

Malamar would be like top tier dark material just off the power of contrary alone

Tho you get more power out of using it with a pokemon with a debuff move

Contrary also nerfs moves like Swagger I think since it lows the offensive stat

[sullen elbow]

even though it's a jellyfish

[stuck bane]

… so it’s a buff, since it’s a lowered attack plus confusion

[stuck bane]

@silent acorn I bring other news too..,

Spinda: only normal type with contrary
Malamar: only psychic/dark with contrary
Lurantis: highest attack with contrary
Serperior: highest speed/defenses + contrary

Magearna: access to fleur cannon
Victini: access to v-create
Crabominable: access to ice hammer
Kommo-o: access to clanging scales
Hoopa: access to hyperspace fury

Crabominable is necessary to push the contrary meta to its absolute limit

[glass patio]

squidward

minior: only possible option there’s no escape minior minior minior

nah actually
idk
shields down

[stuck bane]

“Shields down on the limitless potential minior brings?”

[glass patio]

it’s the ability

wait i got a great reason to add minior
ok so

what is your favorite pokemon that has shields down as an ability

[white meadow]

transformed ditto

[stuck bane]

oh my b I thought you were trying to come up with a slogan for minior support

[bitter comet]

Hell yeah I can somewhat picture a gyarados and malamar fusion that is just some eldritch looking bioluminescent deep sea leviathan thing

[silent acorn]

See he gets it

[glass patio]

FUUUUUUUU-

i didnt think of that

but you need minior for that

[silent acorn]

Fun fact technically speaking Skitty offers the least differences among mons

Normalize is nice in concept but not so good in execution when you think about it

It should have added the thing that you can hit ghost types

[gloomy orbit]

I think sigilyph would make good fusions and its a one stage mon so not to much space

[stuck bane]

Well, Delcatty at least has some good aspects, it has good speed, and I think wonder skin (also on Sigilyph) is extremely underrated as it can counter annoying things like t-wave prankster klefki, and passing that off to a Pokémon with a normally meh ability could be super good. And normalize combined with things like normal gem could make some extremely powerful one shot attacks, but yeah ghost hard counters that too. Still more than luvdisc which is literally just speed and heart stamp

[royal drum]

I mean luvdisk is just a easy mon to make bodies out of. Heads......

[stuck bane]

Even then Alomomola does that in every conceivable way and more

[glass patio]

The existence of alomomola just makes luvdisc even worse

[compact orbit]

“Ghost hard counters”

Foresight/Odor Sleuth: allow us to introduce ourselves

Nah jk those moves suck

[royal drum]

Still no idea why alomomola isn't the evolution of luvdisk

[stuck bane]

Luvdisc was always bad, even before Gen 5

[stuck bane]

Different stat builds and it just wouldn’t make sense

[glass patio]

no it’s because of the heart fusions but since alomomola exists it’s worthless

[stuck bane]

Yes! So why is everyone trying to defend luvdisc?

[royal drum]

So doesn't remoraid and octillery

and i'm not defending it, just questioning things

[glass patio]

It’s probably because it was introduced in gen 5, y know how in b/w before b2/w2 you could only mostly get gen 5 pokemon? Maybe they would have made alomomola an evo for luvdisc prob with different stats but yea gen 5

[royal drum]

I think lovdisc has some potential, just not enough to come in early

[stuck bane]

What are you talking about??? Remoraid is good attack/sp attack/speed, and Octillery is good attack/special attack, it’s no different from garchomp losing speed when it megas and that still makes more sense than a frail speedster becoming a beefy tank

[glass patio]

couragestar is typing…

[royal drum]

....I was talking about the evolution that didn't make sense for a fish to evolve into a octopus.

[glass patio]

courage they’re prob gonna add luvdisc to annoy you and many people lmao

who knows what they’re capable of

[royal drum]

@ chardub add luvdisc to annoy courage

[stuck bane]

I wouldn’t be mad at luvdisc, it at least has potential for a single fusion with school form wishiwashi, but I think people are giving the bruxish situation way too much weight:

it was too annoy people AND THE FACT THAT BRUX WAS UNDERRATED, psychic fangs, all good abilities, fusion potential

I am saying that it’s not gonna be luvdisc because it’s missing the entire second half of the reasons bruxish was added

[royal drum]

Good argument
Counterpoint: heart fish funy

[stuck bane]

Counterpoint: literally better heart fish, and still funny

[royal drum]

This joke has gone to far

[stuck bane]

I wouldn’t be upset at luvdisc, just disappointed, it literally has the least things going for it next to silvally, and I’d still take silvally over it for chimera fusion potential, but not our game, if frog wants to add mega luvdisc that’s his choice

[zinc prairie]

Luvdisc has a purpose and that purpose is being fish farmed for Heart Scales

[stuck bane]

You haven’t played the game, you get heart scales before mount moon

[zinc prairie]

idk who else gets a Bulbamew tag other than the most hardcore players

[royal drum]

I would rather get Cryogonal, Torkoal, carbink or minior over luvdisc

[stuck bane]

And still, I don’t know what the argument is, rock smash is before mount moon, old rod (which I’m pretty sure is only Magikarp) is vermillion, even if you made luvdisc as common as Magikarp rock smash is still better for heart scales

[royal drum]

Cryogonal for cool snowflake fusion, Torkoal because it's a cool pokemon with fusion potential, carbink for rock/diamond fusions or minior for meteorite fusions.

[zinc prairie]

I'm talkin about Hoenn...

[stuck bane]

Then why are you in new Pokémon discussion advocating for luvdisc?

Yeah it has a purpose in hoenn, but that’s not a reason to justify adding luvdisc to this game

[glass patio]

who cares bout bruxish being good for competitive 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[stuck bane]

See showdown chat when Brux was announced

[zinc prairie]

damn bruh what's wrong with Luvdisc let the fish chill

[glass patio]

meh
at least i do not care

[stuck bane]

Ok, we can play, I’ll leave the server forever if someone can find more than 3 unique reasons to add luvdisc

[glass patio]

my pfp is a pokemon that gets insta killed it’s not like i care bout that

[royal drum]

1. heart shaped fusions
2. to annoy people
3. its a better pick then castform

[glass patio]

to annoy people

[weak trellis]

either instantly killed or wins the battle on the spot with no in-betweens lol

[stuck bane]

Brux has proved that’s not a unique point for luvdisc

[glass patio]

yea it’s kinda weird
but most people kill it instantly in competitive

at least it’s funny to have a normal ghost/dark ghost shedinja in IF and kill everyone

[zinc prairie]

I gotta be honest I think Chatot would be equally as useless to add

[glass patio]

i’m gonna pull this out

cya

[royal drum]

"Why. won't. you. DIE!"
"Nanofusions, son. It gives me 2 hp!"

[zinc prairie]

the special Pokedoll will do it

[glass patio]

well at least shedinja does something in a run luvdisc doesn’t
i dont even want luvdisc im just trolling

[zinc prairie]

it's cool sprite fodder!

[royal drum]

Classic trollgarring

[zinc prairie]

who doesn't want to add a bunch of hearts on their sprites

[stuck bane]

In fact, yeah, why not, let’s up the ante: luvdisc does not technically need to be in the game for sprites of it to be made, just for those sprites to appear in game, so fusion design potential is out, though I will allow other reasons like Pokédex entries that could appear in game due to luvdisc being in

[weak trellis]

yea entry hazards ruin it sadly

[weak trellis]

stufful?

[glass patio]

yep

any pokemon is viable in a run if it has normal or dark as a primary type because shedinja

[white meadow]

Houngoat #1139239382080032940

[glass patio]

frogman buff zapmolcuno

nah idk it was normal mode maybe zapmolcuno can kill shedinja in higher difficulty

maybe

i searched infinite fusion in gifs

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-infinite-fusion-pokemon-electrode-explode-kaboom-gif-13124258821276956740

found this
||this would be completely out of context for people who don’t know bout this server||

will ultra necrozma ever be fixed for fusion bot

[supple condor]

Find out next time, on Pokeball Z

[glass patio]

[royal drum]

Funny gif

[glass patio]

shedinja ded 😦

[supple condor]

Dedinja

[late mango]

How do I request a sprite?

[dull root]

https://discordapp.com/channels/302153478556352513/703412470038921216/1061440567260753930

[proud yoke]

Do you want to add Shaymin to the game?

[prime dust]

we wouldn't mind the addition of our favorite chia pet

and/or sonic fusion reference

[brisk vessel]

Grrr I hat snic ‼️

Can we add diancie pls and thanks 😁

[plush inlet]

[zinc prairie]

I like your Pokesona

[plush inlet]

Aw, thank you! I appreciate it

[cedar lodge]

when is zangoose coming to the game ????

[versed gulch]

id love if the kalos starters were in the game

[glass patio]

ig victini doesn’t always win

||im sorry||

[plush inlet]

Fair, actually. It didn't win entry into S/V

[hasty glacier]

That prehistoric parrot Pokémon def woulda been fun

Idek what that Pokémon is called or what Gen it’s from

[plush inlet]

Archen/Archeops?

[sick mist]

Look I know this seems crazy but we need more moths so maybe we could think of adding Snom and Frostmoth it would give us a new ice/bug type to work with

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-snom-sword-and-shield-cute-bug-snowing-gif-18136624

[livid geyser]

i made that gif lol

[brisk vessel]

Archeops and yes I also want him in

[sick mist]

i competely understand this joke is somewhat a joke sense my username has moth in it

[stuck bane]

I too, love mugging moths then, stomp the crap out of their snoms

[brisk vessel]

We have Venomoth and Volcarona anyway

[sick mist]

:0 how dare my name is muga and i am a moth

[white meadow]

[austere mist]

Aura trio must be added

Yveltal, Xerneas and Zygarde fusion will be all be 10/10

[stuck bane]

the only way to do zygarde justice is to add him in a random cave in the middle of nowhere, and then add a more fleshed out event with all the cores in the future update

[bitter comet]

I’m just glad most of my favorite Pokémon are already in
Still a few left but I’m relatively happy

Still want Malamar and golisopod in game tho

[hushed mantle]

Only two evo lines i wanted got in 😔

[brisk vessel]

My main pick got in so I'd say I'm satisfied with this outcome

[glass patio]

most of my fav pokemon are also in the game

but i still want that meteor thing idk if you’ve heard of it

[stuck bane]

honestly though not all of them were the best, we got a handful of really good S-tiers: Sableye, Snorunt, Goodra, Meloetta, and Cresslia, though there were plenty of other good ones, getting 10/50 slots as some of the best picks possible made it a really good update, especially near the end

dang maybe thats why I'm so jaded: sableye and snorunt in the beginning, then a 15-slot drought until goodra, and then another 20-slot drought until meloetta, looking back wow that was rough

[alpine rune]

man, I remember people posting and spamming propaganda because of the 20 slots only restriction

cant believe we get over 40 now

Actually we have 50 mons if you include Ultra Necrozma as a separate mon

dex 421-469 + 450_1

[light garden]

I don't think that's in IF. :thinking: Did you misspell something?

[plucky bobcat]

Still wishing for either Spheal, Jellicent, Lilligant, Kommo-O, Vikavolt or Florges

Gastrodon, Bronzong, Gothitelle, Hippowdon and Drapion could be fun though

[dense magnet]

Think charzard should be in the game

[dapper notch]

must add spinny boi

he a boi he do a spin

[dapper notch]

they both be spinnin

[stone cliff]

Vinesauce watchers look on excitedly

[hasty glacier]

Really hoping for eventual Toxtricity

Surprised I haven’t seen more hoping for him

He was really popular

[mystic crystal]

That's because unfortunately Toxtricity is Gen 8; and due to coding limitations we won't be seeing any gen 8+ pokémon implemented

[hasty glacier]

Ah okay. Understandable. What is it about later gens that limits the code?

Would’ve expected the cap to be # of Pokémon in general rather than gen #

[mystic crystal]

Not exactly sure on all the details; but from what I understand the game uses something called pokemon essentials to make it easy to code in all the pokémon - i think it's like a pre-exisiting database or something that's compatible with RPG maker. but the game only uses the version up to gen 7; so anything beyond that would basically require the game to be completely remade to be implemented (which is not happening lol)

[white meadow]

gens are also mechanically different from each other, with all the changes to moves, abilities and even some pokemon get their stats altered

[celest grail]

https://tenor.com/view/bellibolt-friends-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-gif-26923323

[charred vault]

We've been pretty blessed with what we've gotten. I'm ever so hopeful that my girl Lunala will make it in since we did get Necrozma and Ultra Necrozma. Maybe rounding out the waifu collection with Tsareena and Primarina would be nice. If I had to pick between the two then Primarina. If the devs come back and say no that's it then we got so so so many more then I ever expected and there are amazing fusions already.

[celest grail]

I expect all starters up to gen 7 to be added eventually.

[zinc prairie]

What if I told you Lunala is the guy and Solgaleo is the girl

[charred vault]

HAHA I'd point to the Sun pokedex entry that says 'it is sad to be a female evolution of Cosmog' but since it has not gender go nuts.

[zinc prairie]

Who do you believe the brother and sister between Zamazenta and Zacian are then

[charred vault]

It's like Zacian's Shield entry that says 'it's Zamazenta's elder sister'.

You can't type that when I'm mid typing the same thing. XD I don't know you but it's my turn with the brain cell

[zinc prairie]

I couldn’t compete with a Word Girl mouse fursona on brain cells anyways

[charred vault]

Hmm? You mean my icon? Cat. Not mouse. And I just spend too much reading pokedex entries when I finish the pokedex.

And I remember these little weird details because I find them neat.

[white meadow]

Better question is
Are both girls?

[hasty glacier]

I’m hoping for Buzzswole personally if we’re talking Ultra Beasts

That one rocket one would make for some interesting fusions as well

[alpine rune]

I thought both were boys

[sand mica]

Will Skuntank be added soon?

[stuck bane]

if soon is 5 years sure

[glass patio]

lmao

[silent acorn]

Damn insta kill

[zinc prairie]

you make a great case

[stuck bane]

But like genuinely, 1. do you think constantly asking for skuntank will make me vote for it? Humans are spiteful it’ll have the opposite effect, and 2. There’s an argument for so many other Pokémon, even if we do assume 24 mons a year (big stretch) there’s so many that should get in before skuntank

[zinc prairie]

We said the same thing about every DLC fighter in Smash Ultimate and Sora came last

It took Steve 4 years

And I’m sure you know how popular Minecraft is

[zinc prairie]

You’re my cartoon cat friend

[stuck bane]

that's a bit of a different situation, there was always a plan to add sora, since steve was planned since like brawl or something, there's isn't exactly a plan to add things in PIF since we know there's not even a plan for number 470 yet, not to mention PIF's history has shown more popular pokemon will probably be added first so more sprites can be made of them, especially with things like the raffle that can just get a mon in directly, so since there aren't any plans for the far far future in like 5+ years, it's safe to assume popular mons will be added since we don't know if limits like map size might show up later.

[zinc prairie]

Nahhh Brawl was in 2008 and well, Minecraft was 2009

[silent acorn]

I think archeops is kind of a meh pick. But hey it's popular demand... Even though sometimes popular demand has backfired horribly

[stuck bane]

in fact that's a favor in my argument, sakurai said himself "people kept peering over my shoulder asking 'surely you can add minecraft, right?'" so he kept pushing it off all the way until ultimate's DLC

[zinc prairie]

Maybe the next one uhhh WiiU + 3DS

[stuck bane]

I mean after brawl, I'll look it up but talk of getting steve into smash was being worked on with mojang since after brawl's release I know that for sure

[zinc prairie]

It’s probably bc of the stats lol

[silent acorn]

Like how I knew I would be spiteful over goodra and noivern because people kept saying 'It's a solid choice bruh'

[silent acorn]

Yeah it's just about that, like how some people only wanted Noivern to use Boomburst on "Better stats"

[stuck bane]

According to former Minecraft production director Daniel Kaplan, negotiations between Nintendo and Mojang for Minecraft content to appear in Smash began "at least five" years prior to Steve's reveal.

[silent acorn]

I like how they kept going about how it would super sick and break the sprites. But like it's far from being a popular one amongst the spriters

[stuck bane]

so I got the number of years wrong, but it was definitely above 5

[silent acorn]

Hell altaria is the popular one amongst the new dragons

[zinc prairie]

I thought Altaria was an unknown mon 💀 maybe the Mega and Lisia made it popular

[brisk solstice]

Had to keep going back and forth to make him as OP as possible

[silent acorn]

Nah altaria is a very pretty pokemon. Its a classic from Gen 3. That doesn't really suck and was quite slept on. Hell it's even slept on IF because you need to get to victory road to get it

Still like to want Archeops for the stats alone... I think it's a passable 1 or 2 honestly

It's not gonna blow you away or anything. People only want it for the same reason they did the Regis

[stuck bane]

wait was altaria a counterpart to someone?

[silent acorn]

Nope it's completely its own thing

[stuck bane]

or are you making a hoenn bias joke

[zinc prairie]

It’s definitely going to be something with those stats unhindered by Defeatist, there aren’t many mons to match it with fusion tho

Deoxys comes to mind with that spread, but you’d be stuck with a just as bad Psychic/Rock and Psychic/Flying

[stuck bane]

I think people are overestimating how good archeops is gonna be, yeah its a rock type with good stats, but I doubt it's going to make as big of an impact as slaking and regigias did, however fusion design potential would be great

[zinc prairie]

It could make Talonflame better

[stuck bane]

talonflame?!?!?! you want either a 4x weakness to water and ground or a 4x weakness to rock?

it can't be for gale wings either, yeah priority acrobatics would be nice, but gale wings ends if you're not at full hp, you get countered by literally any chip damage like hail or stealth rocks

[fleet halo]

U mean overestimating?

[kindred spire]

xerneas, yveltal and zygarde deserve to come to IF after being the only legendaries not in paldea lol (i am definetly not biased i dont know what you're talking about)

[stuck bane]

yeah that one, my b

[zinc prairie]

Is it because they’re the easiest legends to catch

[kindred spire]

oh no xerneas is just my fav pokemon lmao, its even in my username on absolutely everything

[white meadow]

they made a whole gimmick about crystals and forgot about diancie

[cobalt river]

xy legends beloved

[silent acorn]

Are you relatives with the Pachirisu Girl?

[kindred spire]

i do love pachirisu but no lol, would be funny if we were though

[silent acorn]

I want so much stuff but Malamar is at the top of that list

Specially with the combo I have in mind

For starters eh I would just grab Serperior, Delphox and Primarina. Just because they are the prettiest mons of their lines

[kindred spire]

i agree with that, they have a lot of potential

[silent acorn]

I have to reflect upon these once again

I have to narrow down that there might be 20 mons so I have to make my priorities from now for the future

[tall bluff]

gimmie greninja and braixzen PLS oh mighty froge

[silent acorn]

Hey how does one use this thing

[unique flame]

what this is supose to be

[zinc prairie]

A tier list?

[white meadow]

just put pics on it

[silent acorn]

So like I should do It on the pc?
Cuz I am on mobile right now

I would put sawsbuck there but I also have gogoat as a backup 3

[white meadow]

you can do it on the pc

[silent acorn]

Alrighty

[stuck bane]

Lilligant is definitely in the top 20, others I’m not so sure of, I just use the tier list maker since it’s easier

[silent acorn]

Oh and courage this is what the template for 20 picks is, it's like playing lotto

[stuck bane]

Yeah I just prefer the other one, although I’d love to say “all unova” you’re probably right that we have to narrow it down to 20

[white meadow]

and yet we ended up with like 50 pokemon 🔥

[stuck bane]

thats a good question too, should we do it as 20 lines or 20 slots?

[white meadow]

I think im gonna do a top 20 too

[stuck bane]

its definitely this so far, I wanna say serperior and heatran too but idk if they're "Murder is justified if it means they get in the game"

[silent acorn]

Well to be fair the 30 other ones were staff added and bonuses granted by the mighty frog

I am only counting what we might have control over as community vote

[stuck bane]

if we're all making one we may as well compare and contrast to make a definitive list

ok, I'm down for a 20 slot community vote option, it's an easy way to take out starters as well since they were taken out of the general one too

[silent acorn]

20 slots include the lines themlseves, so say Tyrunt gets in that's 2 slots taken since it's a 2 stage line.

[stuck bane]

any others to list as candidates before we try narrowing down the absolute 20? I know leavanny is probably out but I just put it there for the sake of making sure we have everything to start

forgot gastrodon, gastrodon added as candidate

[unique flame]

the 20?

[stuck bane]

20 slots, if another vote were to come up, we're trying to come to an agreement on what the 20 slots we would advocate for would be

shoot if you got any suggestions (also shaymin added to candidates, and comfey too even though it wasn't on the original vote)

[unique flame]

why those one in specific are candidates im a little lost

[prime dust]

personal choice

we can't agree on anything

so getting the who knows how many people in this server to agree on 20 other mons to get added in is nigh on impossible

[stuck bane]

NO, @unique flame basically all of them have reasons to be in the top 20 for what they bring, emolga/heatran/gastrodon for abilities, any of the pure fairy types for lack of fairy type heads, etc.

but it's not everyone in the server, its just new pokemon discussion, after discussing everything I think we can come to a general consensus

[prime dust]

so let's go down that line:
emolga - is a pikachu clone, denied
heatran - ugly as sin, denied
gastordon - approved

[stuck bane]

kid named flying type with motor drive and steel type with flash fire

they have to at least be considered, at the very least

[prime dust]

no

no they do not

[unique flame]

if frog crash in my house and make chose 5 from that specific candidate list it would be gothitelle line,slurpuuf , minior, the spider, and a negative vote for non-ub legendaries

[stuck bane]

UBs will be treated as legendaries, argument denied

[stuck bane]

instead of trying to take competition off the list, what if you added what candidates might be able to compete with them?

[prime dust]

if i had to choose from that list:

sewaddle line
gothitelle line
flabebe line
staraptor line
gigalith line
malamarr line
xerneas + yveltal
pheramosa

i feel like 3 legends is a reasonable addition if the rest of the line up is normal mons

[unique flame]

staraptor is just another bird why him

[prime dust]

because birb

[stuck bane]

that is something to consider, not too many legends, but no minior and especially no lilligant, and just inflating it with a ton of 3 slotters, just doesn't seem reasonable, and yeah staraptor is unlikely to make the cut I just put him there for bias

[prime dust]

well that is my "if I had to choose list", not "if you had to choose list"

[stuck bane]

which is why we're making a "if WE had to choose" list

[prime dust]

i will pick what i want in, you are free to pick how you like; and we will agree to disagree

that's the thing, there is no we

we aren't all going to agree on 20 mons to add in

someone is going to dislike some, if not all the mons chosen, because they want their votes in

[white meadow]

i should get to decide fr

[stuck bane]

do you have literally anything else to add to this besides trying to remove candidates from the list?

[prime dust]

i gave my opinion on what i wanted in

since none of it is what you think we should add in, clearly that makes it invalid

[stuck bane]

is that what you actually want in? or is it just the ones on the list? literally anything is on the table if you give good reasoning

also, this is new pokemon discussion, the fuck you mean "I'm not here to discuss new pokemon"

[feral bear]

Man i could do such a kute sableye if malamar was added

[stuck bane]

tentacruel is jellyfish, so technically malamar could bring squid fusions as well as the plentiful deep-sea-leviathan ones or upside down ones, it has a great amount of fusion potential on top of things like contrary

[feral bear]

I like that, unlike tentacruel, i can put the tentacles on the head hehe

[stuck bane]

yeah, that could make for some really good hair fusions as well

[fleet halo]

Mienshao would be sick

First fast regenerator mon and a much better reckless user than hitmonlee

[stuck bane]

mienshao is definitely a consideration, desperately needed fighting representation, aura sphere on a fighting type body, on top of the reasons you listed, yeah I think mienshao is up for consideration (not to mention if you look in spritework the current mienshao fusions are sick)

[fleet halo]

Surprised ur list doesn't already have golisopod

[stuck bane]

I know golisopod is popular, but is it truly top 20? I'll add it to consideration at least since I think we're missing bug type reps

[fleet halo]

Swellow has a lot going for it but kinda got shafted by Noivern coming first

[stuck bane]

yeah I don't think swellow is top 20 material, at least not before staraptor who is already iffy on if it'll make this list

[fleet halo]

Oh is the list just top 20 next in? I definitely think Golisopod fits the bill for that, more accessible First Impression and giving it a not shitty ability and lots of cool designs have already been shown

[stuck bane]

those are all true... oh actually its the only mon to get first impression, farfetchd only gets it through breeding

[fleet halo]

First Impression is a move expert move for flygon and a few others

[white meadow]

Even tho Mienshao isnt my favorite Fighting type by far I feel like it would make great fusions!

[stuck bane]

I suppose team NGS also solidified my vote for golisopod anyways with their support for meloetta, yeah goliso is in

[fleet halo]

Why Maractus

We just got a cactus mon lol

[white meadow]

Maractus is cool

[white meadow]

Your missing a goat

[stuck bane]

maractus is cool, and brings uniquely different enough cactus fusions (see spritework) but I don't think it makes top 20 anyways

[white meadow]

goat

[fleet halo]

Gogoat would be cool yea

[vernal pumice]

ooo Id love to see Gogoat in the game

[stuck bane]

would it be top 20 cool though? THE top 20 above everything else?

[white meadow]

my 2 least favorite mons I tried to do to see if I really hate them to use (I talk about the squirrel and Marshadow, dizzy panda is cool)

[stuck bane]

the maractus comment is fair, yeah maractus is out

[fleet halo]

Oh I really want Clawitzer, Mega Launcher is such a cool ability and it's a fresh design

[white meadow]

Goat

[white meadow]

goat

[vernal pumice]

goat is the goat

[white meadow]

I also have a idea for Torkoal/Gogoat
The leaves become the shell with a tiny Vulcano like Torkoal has
It stays fluffy but becomes oragnge and brown colors
And its horns will have openings releasing Fire and smoke

[vernal pumice]

ooo chimney horns