pif-hoenn-discussion

[empty pendant]

okay, but consider: more options > less options

[silent acorn]

You got purist fools who think everything is kept better how gamefreak made it

[inland jewel]

Fairy/Grass fusions with Thickfat thoug

[silent acorn]

Oh yes that's a good one tho

[fallen loom]

I said on Azumarill SPECIFICALLY, not that it's a bad ability on the right Pokémon

[inland jewel]

i mean, whats the point of talking about what abilities some mons have specifically on a game about fusions

we just gonna fuse them anyway so why bother with the specifics of unfused mons

[fallen loom]

honestly I feel that way about Frog, since he cut the best Lycanroc form for no real reason

[fallen loom]

because Tough Claws MADE Lycanroc

[inland jewel]

no?, i got a lot of milage out of sand rush and accelerock

[fallen loom]

and it could also fuse with other mon that really need a buff

[rain gust]

Is there still a 10 second cool down?

Why? Gott damn!

[prime dust]

because there is still a theory going on

[fallen loom]

who even likes Midnight form Lycanroc? Give it Tough Claws since it's the one biped, but I guess that's TOO imaginative

[inland jewel]

i mean, the best we can do outside of him adding it to hte game is suggesting it in #game-suggestions

Its how Delibird got Snow Warning as a HA

[fallen loom]

someone suggested it already and it went nowhere

why as a HA anyway??? HAs aren't even avilabale in the game

[inland jewel]

did they say which ability it would replace? Frogman tends to want an explanation as to why

[sullen elbow]

yes they are

[inland jewel]

They are though... There is an area where you catch a pokemon in it it has its HA

[fallen loom]

yes they did

[inland jewel]

can you link me it? im curious what their explanation was

[fallen loom]

#game-suggestions message

[inland jewel]

since I know for Delibird, they explained that having both Vital Spirit and Insomnia is redundant since both do the same thing

Frogman went: Hmm, you're right, having the same ability twice is redundant and punishing so lets replace it with an ability everyone wants, Snow Warning

[fallen loom]

I linked it

[empty pendant]

I like Midnight Lycanroc... sure it's the least optimal statwise but that doesn't mean it's useless, it's still more than good enough to use casually, and it looks awesome

[inland jewel]

ok, its a good argument but i'd argue for them to replace keen eye on Midnight instead,

the reasoning would be, Both Lycanrocs get Keen eye, and to make them both unique so that people can choose between which they want to use, (for Accelerock and keen eye tech for speed yrock types) or The powerful tough claws or No Guard that midnight has albiet slower

[empty pendant]

that would make sense! then to get both tough claws and accelerock like on dusk, you'd fuse them with each other

[inland jewel]

then agian it also took Frogman like years for him to actually look at Game suggestions and comment on Snow warning Delibird

[silent acorn]

I like it. It like its design. I hate people think midday needs tough claws when Midnight has the craptastic Vital Spirit

Albeit Keen Eye is definetely also bad

[stuck bane]

The argument of replacing keen eye on midnight makes sense: midday is the one with the 100% accurate rock type move, it being the more accurate one makes sense, but again Delibird was only replaced as a HA, frog isn’t against handing out HAs of new abilities but I think the natural ones he wants to keep the same. I still argue your best bet is an NPC that can switch your Lycanroc’s ability for you, for a price, tough claws is really good and not something you should be able to obtain from the rockruff in secret garden directly after beating Brock with level caps on

[marble meadow]

i like how they change it from hail to snow in sv

[inland jewel]

sadly that isn't a change we can make in this game

[marble meadow]

hail is superior

[sullen elbow]

I sure love having to run a mono ice team unless I want my own weather to hurt my mons

[outer matrix]

Hail is just sandstorm 2

[sullen elbow]

It's worse sand

[outer matrix]

Hail is the reason why it's best to not false swipe a Pokémon bc of the hail making it faint

[sullen elbow]

sand also does that tho

[stuck bane]

Like it’s so weird how hail only damages whereas sandstorm damages and boosts sp def by 50%

[white meadow]

they should make hail freeze any non ice type fr

[hollow quest]

snow is definitely better

[sullen elbow]

they should make hail do damage to the trainers fr

[woeful anchor]

They replaced hail in SV for a reason

[white meadow]

wonder why couldn't they just combine the effects instead

[sullen elbow]

Its probably better without the chip lol

[white meadow]

i mean, yeah unless you run a full ice team that would kinda backfire now that i think about it

[stuck bane]

At the very least I’d be down for giving ice types the 50% defense boost on top of chip damage to at least make it comparable to sandstorm, although sand would still be better since you can use rock/ground/steel instead of only ice

[unique flame]

if they make sylvally and type:null they could use they code they use for shinies to change it color

based on types

[stuck bane]

Arceus doesn’t do that so… no

[unique flame]

they declare a color and it will change with the type

[stuck bane]

It might appear as an option in custom sprites, but no, not gonna be something so minuscule

[inland jewel]

Yeah, arceus is in the game and it doesn't do that... like at all

[stuck bane]

As seen here, some spriters do go out of their way to make alt colors for the plates, but every color is a bit rediculously

[inland jewel]

I love when people make shiny alts... which won't be used since its color shifted

[stuck bane]

Still nice to make your non-shiny Pokémon look shiny depending on the colors

[inland jewel]

true!

[unique flame]

i hope we get sylvally in the next expansion since its impossible to him being the 468

[outer matrix]

Dat me

[silent acorn]

I think filling the game with non legends is fun, we get to fight trainers that have them

[glass patio]

bro joanna uploaded every fucking form form of arceus/sableye including shinies why

#sprite-gallery message
Wtf is this

[stuck bane]

I wouldn’t count on it, type: null is just the stats of most mythicals but weaker and at half speed, and the only thing silvally gets is a speed increase to match literally every other stat! It’s beyond budget arceus, it’s like budget mew or Manaphy. And even multi-attack isn’t good: in gen 7, its base power is 90! It’s budget arceus in every conceivable way! And it’s not like the friendship evo will help it, it’ll probably be 40 or higher like Crobat. I don’t think it’ll be considered anytime soon, and for good reason

[silent acorn]

She was in a mission to be the queen of gems

[stuck bane]

1. Too many sableye to easily get in a photo

2. I like meloetta and it was the first one I thought of

But respect on Joanna for getting all variants

[glass patio]

type null but not null

why do i do this

[stuck bane]

Ok fine that’s a funny reason, type:rock and type:steel probably too, type: jr, type: sir, type:cruel, type: rat, type: hog, type:null is the best choice just don’t add silvally

[glass patio]

Type rat wtf lmfao

[stuck bane]

Patrat

[glass patio]

oh

[silent acorn]

Actually I gotta... Lol

[stuck bane]

Here we go again

[glass patio]

:)

[silent acorn]

Aw come on man/woman join in the fun let's do it

[stuck bane]

WHAT?!?!!

[silent acorn]

[glass patio]

Figure it out by yourself

[stuck bane]

Type: lass

[stuck bane]

Well I probably know it, nosepass because of the one slaking nosepass meme right?

Wait no that’s wrong nm

[glass patio]

it’s nosepass, wtf why didnt they divide it in nose and pass

i won’t complain

[silent acorn]

cute

[glass patio]

type ass

[stuck bane]

Wait that’s weird, they definitely changed it in game because it’s slapass in game, maybe these won’t be guarantees

[prime dust]

prob not, also let's not give Blaq a reason to poke in here early and slowmode us more

[glass patio]

Bro 🗿

[prime dust]

best to stop these while we're ahead

[glass patio]

ok ok fine no more

[silent acorn]

yes

[prime dust]

since Blaq did say they were getting out of hand yesterday

[glass patio]

type quaza

[stuck bane]

Type: eye tho

[glass patio]

ok ok this is new pokemon discussion

[silent acorn]

Tch... Party pooper

Nice find tho bucklin

[stuck bane]

But would minior sableye be mini eye?

[glass patio]

i’m gonna post this in sprite gallery
||this is a joke don’t demote me pls||

[silent acorn]

yep

Pretty cute. So anything you make with minior becomes a mini?

[glass patio]

ok too much let’s talk about possible new pokemon

[silent acorn]

I mean we kinda are... The names are glorious sometimes

[glass patio]

minior minior minior minior
haha shell smash go brrrrr

[inland jewel]

yo so we have Mr. Eye

[stuck bane]

Would mr mime Drampa be Mr pa? These are technically all related to new Pokémon so

[silent acorn]

Yes

[silent acorn]

Nah sadly it is Mr. Ampa

[stuck bane]

Awwww

[glass patio]

welp, that’s not official because minior isn’t in the game but i would like it to be mini and or

[silent acorn]

I think those work

[stuck bane]

Mr lord with guzzlord?

[silent acorn]

nice

[glass patio]

Wait i just got a great idea, i swear this is the last one

[stuck bane]

Wait omg if cresselia is added can we make a cress jr alt of the one panpour gym leader from BW

Also guzz jr

[glass patio]

ok now i’ll stop

[silent acorn]

so close to perfect

[stuck bane]

I’d say avoid that, in game its nose-pass anyways

[glass patio]

“Hey, look at my miniass”

[stuck bane]

I think those are all the new years related ones we can talk about

Any other single slot ideas that are possible?

[glass patio]

busted form mimikyu smh

[silent acorn]

Let me try messing around with single stage names

[glass patio]

mr breast

gamefreak make a pokemon that ends with beast pls

[stuck bane]

kingler is king/ler right?

[glass patio]

to have da real mr beast

[silent acorn]

I have weedigon if anybody wants a cursed north American thing

[glass patio]

weed

[arctic glacier]

Sylvally and Sylveon would have the same first name half

[glass patio]

minior
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gtg cya

[stuck bane]

cya

[silent acorn]

Cya

[stuck bane]

there's this

[empty pendant]

nope! silvally vs sylveon. you spelled one wrong.

[silent acorn]

ah yes my favorite new pokemon

[stuck bane]

close enough?

[silent acorn]

exactly what I think of Chatot

very interesting

[stuck bane]

glameow s tier

and more good alt potential

[silent acorn]

Too bad we can't make adult whis but hey we got Mr. Cash he is cool right?

[stuck bane]

mr cash would be good, as a new pokemon of course

[silent acorn]

I like to think Purugly with a ghost pokemon makes a madam pokemon

What I would really like to know it's what exactly happens when purugly head ends up on another pokemon

[white meadow]

Tf whats that

[silent acorn]

I love middle purugly in this image

[silent acorn]

@white meadow it's on the website even though it's an smogon oc

[white meadow]

Smogon has a oc mon?

[silent acorn]

Yeah they have several

[stuck bane]

or, I think they're mons from other fanmade works, but they're still searchable

[silent acorn]

Radical red includes a crap ton of them

[stuck bane]

Mr. Dam can just be a joke alt construction worker from BW, and this is Pur Jr.

also idk if it means much but burmy gets us Mr. My too, 2 in 1

[silent acorn]

Legit I love the Samurott purugly it just hits different

[marble meadow]

these look good but would be funny if we get some pokemon who fits fireworks or the new year

[robust geyser]

as far as i know there's only one firework mon

[clever atlas]

I'm sorry, but that's against rule 2
||No it's not dw||

[stuck bane]

not a meme name or anything this would just be awesome

giga chomp would be sick too if gigalith were ever to be added

[unique flame]

i love gigalith

[stuck bane]

Gigalith has a ton going for it besides names too:

Gigalith: is a Mon used on ash’s team, the only pure rock type (head and body) with access to sand stream, and serves the same role with sand force as well, and also brings great attack and defense

[outer matrix]

also has a great shiny

[unique flame]

i hate that our first sprite changer in game is a legendary that no one care nor do sprites for

[sullen elbow]

no it wasn't in ash's team

[unique flame]

necrozma

[hushed mantle]

Check again, 456 sprites in gallery so far

[stuck bane]

the pre-evo was, and I was just using the final evo to represent the whole line instead of writing "roggenrola, boldore, and gigalith" and doing that for every single mon

[sullen elbow]

yeah, I get it. I was just being annoying

[stuck bane]

I see, however on that note I looked again, gigalith has another reason: only pure rock type (for head and body fusions) with access to smack down, which is the only 100% accurate physical rock move in the entire game besides accelrock which is unique to midday lycanroc

[sullen elbow]

*only physical rock move

[white meadow]

50 bp goes crazy

[toxic ibex]

is there an updated fusion stat calculator?

[stuck bane]

Oh I meant to say physical my b

[stuck bane]

Also 50 bp ain’t bad, considering the other 100% accurate physical rock move is 40 bp

[white meadow]

which has priority

[stuck bane]

Yeah and this one can ground flying opponents too so it’s fair

Pretty sure it works on levitate and stuff too

[hushed mantle]

There's no point on grounding flying types when you're already super effective against them anyways

[stuck bane]

Certain ones, especially with fusion: steel flying types like skarmory for example

Smack down isn’t bad guys I’m pretty sure it was a staple in competitive BW or XY

Just because it was the first 100% accurate rock type move

[hushed mantle]

It's not bad, but kinda situational, so there's better options such as fire moves

[stuck bane]

Yeah, it at least has reason to be used, I’m not saying it’s better than accelrock but they’re at least comparable

Also I did remember, it was BW, smack down terrakion was a menace

[dense tide]

I’m really pissed off someone posted a spoiler for indigo dusk epilogue coming out on the 10th

[white meadow]

let me guess, yt thumbnail?

[sullen elbow]

Wrong channel for this maybe?

[white meadow]

hey the channel name can be misleading ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[alpine rune]

He a trans

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[white meadow]

don't let ferrothorn see this

[stuck bane]

I can't wait for heatran to be revealed for pride month and then proceeding to get 100% bodies from a pride month heatran rush event

[sullen elbow]

ferrothorn is homophobic not transphobic, you silly :p

[orchid vault]

I feel like I'm missing some deep ferrothorn lore there

[rustic nymph]

The Cosmog and it's evolution line. Maybe you save it for team rocket or something and it's becomes a party of your team.

[gray vine]

you find it in a bag

[stuck bane]

Considering the earliest legendary you can find is jirachi (I think) then it’s not likely it’ll be that simple. Maybe after triggering an event you return home and find a bag next to your bed?

[rustic nymph]

I mean this will take place after the first story

like a DLC to the game.

[sullen elbow]

how early can you get mew?

[rustic nymph]

Idk

[stuck bane]

There’s no DLC you mean postgame

[rustic nymph]

yeah post game give the player more stories to do.

[stuck bane]

I know jirachi is 777 unique Pokémon seen, so I assume if you have a vast enough collection of base Pokémon and spend all the time defusing and refusing, I imagine you can end up getting it pretty early, mew is viridian forest with positive karma or something right

[stuck bane]

Most legendaries are postgame anyways, most likely it’ll be an event at the altar from SM: if it’s daytime, a static solgaleo will be there, if night, lunala, and then afterwards you do some more stuff to do the same alternate world stuff of getting the second cosmog

[glass patio]

Why r u guys still doing this

[stuck bane]

Although bag would be way funnier

[glass patio]

Wtf 💀

[stuck bane]

Because it’s the easiest way to show fusion names of mons not yet in game

[glass patio]

they’re not even the official ones

[sullen elbow]

I guess you could have it somewhat early since it's useless until lv 53

[glass patio]

reasons for minior
great fusions
funny
mini
shell smash go brrrr

[stuck bane]

Oh wait, they might be the official ones, daena says they changed slaking nosepass, so maybe showdown ones are official

And slaking nosepass name was changed recently as part of the update

[glass patio]

it’s got great design competitive potential mini what else do u want
lips? get outa here bruxish fans

[stuck bane]

Also Mr. Hog is necessary to complete the Mr mime trifecta of creepy fusions: Mr sir, Mr cruel, and Mr hog

[sullen elbow]

we can fuse minior with yanmega to form minimega

[stuck bane]

Gigalith with that can make gigamega too, mini jr is also a fun name

[sullen elbow]

I hope they don't separate it as min-ior tho

[stuck bane]

Please tell me there’s a Pokémon ending in van

[glass patio]

maybe they will separate it in mi-nior
but mini-or is funnier

like that’s literally what minior means
it’s a mini meteor

[stuck bane]

Well since it seems like some names were changed around, we’ll assume showdown is correct unless otherwise stated

[stuck bane]

Yeah and you’d think starly is star-Ly but nope it s-Tarly

[glass patio]

huh

[stuck bane]

Look it up! I gtg now anyways

[glass patio]

cya

well i’m happy that unless they pick another bruxish, it’s most likely we get something good

epic stuff i found on the internet

and here’s literal god

[stuck bane]

Like I think I said a day or 2 ago, despite victini being my most wanted for bias reasons, i think the most likely pick is minior since it brings more potential. However, any of the potential new years related Mons would be at least good in my eyes. Here’s to the next 3 days for our final reveal (for now)

[glass patio]

hopefully i don’t see chatot or something

[willow raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/chatot-angry-pokemon-anime-gif-17290948790290842967

personally im a fan of victini but I think any new mon would be cool

[feral bear]

For ur consideration

Minior wpuld be lovely

[willow raptor]

damn that looks so cool

what is that fusion with?

[feral bear]

Minior/sableye

[willow raptor]

ah makes sense, though wouldn't it be a massive pain to make sprites for all the minior colors?

[white meadow]

Second year starts with a new mon!

[stuck bane]

Not for her, she’s the one who gave arceus/sableye alts for all 18 plate colors

[willow raptor]

holy hell that dedication is impeccable

[glass patio]

i swear i never said “wtf why did she make every fucking arceus sableye”

[outer matrix]

Minior also fits with new years

[glass patio]

i love how it has like a suit

[feral bear]

Ive said this before, but here is my idea for minior: make all the colored energy minior parts of minior fusions in grayscale, and apply a hue shift effect in game, similar to how the kuray mod does shinies.
This way, we could even have every minior be a unique color rather than just the regular minior color selection

[willow raptor]

i like this idea

[glass patio]

same

[digital spire]

I would like gothitelle

[silent acorn]

Oh awesome congrats!

[white meadow]

thanks!
Btw thats the finished year one version

[stable venture]

i hope they put either sigilyph or elgyem/beeheeym into the game bc we only alien rep we have so far is deoxys and thats more of a dna theme

(and clefairy technically if u dig deep in the lore but still)

[prime dust]

sigilyph isn't an alien...its biblically accurate

[glossy osprey]

guzz?

[stuck bane]

Guzz could fit if year of the dragon, and I’d still be excited to see him in, but he seems to be middle of the road in terms of likelihood, as it’d be weird to have him be the standalone first UB… but not as weird as only Blacephalon without stakataka though

Also even though turtonator may have some great mechanical aspects, I super highly doubt it scored higher than Torkoal because hoenn bias, so that one is probably safely out of the running too

[glossy osprey]

I like the year of the dragon theory

it got some good options

[stuck bane]

Yeah, between Druddigon, Drampa, turtonator, and guzzlord, none of them would be bad and all bring unique aspects to the table

To clarify, all would be good

[glossy osprey]

fr

[white meadow]

between them I prever the Lego Duplo dragon

idk even know if the big lego bricks are called lego duplo in english

https://tenor.com/view/cesu-particulieremploi-domicile-lego-home-gif-13092989

those

[glossy osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/lego-die-death-scribblenauts-step-gif-20680251

lego fusions would go hard

[white meadow]

Stomp should make damage to the user when used on Druddigon lol

atleast 90% of the hp XD

[digital spire]

i would like some SV mons

starters or Garganacl line

[white meadow]

Bad news for you
There never will be any

[glossy osprey]

Imagine a fusion of druddigon head golem body where the lego pieces are scattered around the goldigon or whatever the fusion is called, giving a whole new meaning to stealth rock

[white meadow]

it get asked so much I made a meme now

[stuck bane]

Thank you you godsend, I will now copy paste this at any chance I get whenever someone asks about Gen 8+ Pokémon

Unless, mods want to pin the message where frog said there will be no Gen 8+?

[inland jewel]

a better explanation is, when Frogman started working on this game, he heavily modified the code of Essentials V18, (which had pokemon data up to gen 7.

When V19 came out adding gen 8, there was a major coding and file overhaul for Essentials, updating to that completely broke the game, and Frogman didn't want to start from scratch again so he just shrugged and kept it as is.

V20 came out and then V21 which did another major coding/file overhaul adding in Gen 9.

So to add Gen 9 mons, you have to reverse the code from V21 to V18... (which has the code changed/rewritten/deleted twice) and then translate that code to Frogman's PIF code.

[digital spire]

I bet there's probably a good reason on it but I'm a bit surprised you can't just add them near the end. I assume the issue is that the way PE works all the mons are already in there and it's just that Fusion chooses which are actually in game?

[inland jewel]

The PE that PIF uses had the code for all mons up to gen 7, it has none of the code for pokemon, abilities, items, and moves for Gen 8-9

which is why I said we'd have to translate the code for PE V21 to V18 if we wanted them

and I said before, the code that PIF uses is not the code used in PE V18, which would warrent another translation

[stuck bane]

Ok, TECHNICALLY, it is possible to manually code pokemon, but that takes so much time and effort it’s not even worth it. So yes, most mons have a kind of copy paste thing that can be done for most of their stats, making slight changes in the code here and there like how necrozma goes ultra and stuff. But it still takes a bit of time, and even then we wouldn’t want to add all the mons at once anyways so we can give spriters time to make a good amount of customs

[bitter comet]

If we can figure out the code, we can make our own Pokémon infinite fusion that has Gen eight and nine mons/j

[inland jewel]

more like make it possible to add them to PIF, since we have the space for them

the huge thing now is that we don't have map space for new locations to have those mon.

[stuck bane]

He has said that if someone can figure out that nightmare in an easy and concise way (that isn’t adding them manually) he’ll add a Pokémon of their choice into the game, it’s how sableye got in after we learned how to get all this extra billions slots of space

[inland jewel]

on that note, both Pokemon Essentials and PIF's code is open source

well, PIF's code is open to an extent since there is not PBS file and the likes

[glass patio]

IF sounds better than PIF ngl

[inland jewel]

what if someone was stressing the word IF

we can only add gens 8-9 mons IF we take the time to tranlsate code, don't worry it'll take a short bit of time IF we all work together right. its not like no one is willing to do it. IF we don't slack we shall get them one day...

[stuck bane]

IF IF adds those human in fursuit starters from Galar, I will run for president and make the purge a reality

Go ahead and slap that one in the Galar reveal

That is how confident I am that A. Not enough people want Galar, and B. There’s definitely not enough people willing to put in the work of making it a reality

[glass patio]

ok it doesnt anymore

[digital spire]

tbh I think the best idea is to add mons that spriters would like.

[stuck bane]

Hence things like spriter votes

[drowsy drift]

hear me out: PIF spin-off game that only has gen 8+9 pokemon in it

[white meadow]

If we add something manualy It only should be new evos from gen 9 or a Fakemon
Only because if you do a random mon everyone wants everything else

[stark wolf]

minior fusions in grayscale, and apply a hue shift effect
you can't hue shift a grayscale, you can't even channel shift a grayscale.
in fact, KIF shinies that were colorless by default couldn't be colorized before the RGB increments mutations was implemented, which is only for people that select advanced shinies (not in simple and normal)

[stuck bane]

Yeah I’m in agreement with that, evolved stuff like wyrdeer, Ursaluna, and basculegion are probably fine, but regional variants like hisuian Goodra should probably be kept off the table

[inland jewel]

adding the images is easy, as long as the mon has no abilities or moves that come from gen 8-9 then adding them is simple, its just that if you do add them, then people will ask, hey, since (Gen 8-9 mon) is in, when will the rest come?

[white meadow]

Yeah regional evos are a no for me too

[inland jewel]

the thing about Wyrdeer is it needs Psychic Bash to evolve... but we don't have that move in the game

[stark wolf]

god so many misinput from me

[white meadow]

Evo change to level up

[feral bear]

I mean like overlay a color onto the grayscale, since that would show the overlaid color the best, hue shift wasnt the best terminology for me to use lmao

[stark wolf]

you can't do that in PIF

[stuck bane]

That’s the other issue too, it’s probably a hornets nest frog doesn’t want to bother touching even if it were possible

[stark wolf]

and you mean RGB increments basically, which KIF can do, but then it takes 1 second to generate a shiny (lag spikes)

[drowsy drift]

I think pif needs new content that isn't new pokemon

[white meadow]

True
Even if its just the new evos it wouldnt work cuz he probably would even get hundreds of dms asking for more

[feral bear]

However the KIF shinies r made, perhaps that system can be utilized to give minior custom colors?

[stark wolf]

PIF is adding new pokemons and maps, and KIF is adding new features basically

anyway I'm out, busy today

[white meadow]

Fuck it let us just add Komonium 😂

[stuck bane]

Mods once made a joke about adding luffy from one piece 👀

[drowsy drift]

The Biolizard

[inland jewel]

i mean, we do have the dragonball z mode

[stuck bane]

Mode? Wasnt that a rom hack of some kind?

[drowsy drift]

?

[white meadow]

Here the sprite lol
(Would need to erase the palette there cuz its finished)

[white meadow]

That thing is in my mind for over a decade
Its the perfect mon for me
And im so happy he gets in a game and that Sadfrog was able to draw it so perfectly

[stuck bane]

You’re talking about the dragon ball z team training hack for fire red right? That could be a funny joke thing to add in ||yay, another major Japanese corporation to have to fight with ||

[inland jewel]

no. in like 2018 Frogman released an april fools version of PIF which was just 250 dragonball z characters

you could fuse them and everything, but it was just a regular pokemon game aside from that

[stuck bane]

Oh wow really? That’s funny as an April fools thing, maybe they’ll make it a hidden mode, we have all the space now

[inland jewel]

since the autogens came from Japael, who also had a dragonball fusion thing.

the files are still available to download, just scroll up in #announcements

like... a long way up

[drowsy drift]

I think you could find enough dedicated dragon ball fans to actually do sprites for a full dbz fusion PIF-inspired game

[stuck bane]

I found it with search bar, wow maybe something to pass the time while I wait for meloetta release, Ty!

(Also for anyone else searching just type April fools in:announcements, dragonball doesn’t work in the search for some reason)

[white meadow]

Lets make a petetition to get that Poison/Ground type into PIF
540 bst
Corrosion (we could look over another ability cuz the other one is custom)
And a bulky physical attacker and who doesnt love that?

[inland jewel]

Dragon does, its the 3rd message

[white meadow]

What other abilitys would fit tho?

[glass patio]

#1190520595247550464 i made a minior that has a bunch of stuff that needs fixing
im gonna sleep now so ill fix it later when i can

gn

[sterile verge]

Here me out

Make a couple of luvdisk fusions for the spritework

And each one says something like "can't wait for it to be added (thanks leakers)"

And have it named 468 instead of question marks

And then watch the fireworks

[finite thistle]

DEW IT

[digital spire]

You know vespiqueen would be cool

[stuck bane]

And that would probably be the part where the people involved would get in trouble

[sterile verge]

If it's tagged non-IF they shouldn't be

It would be a gross abuse of power if so

[stuck bane]

Fair enough, though you might still be forced to put non-if in the title too

[silent acorn]

@feral bear Jojo I have a sprite request that I think you would like. Are you up for it?

[glass patio]

💀

luvdisk

[covert geode]

bruxish is a L

srry but wth is this fish supposed to be

[glass patio]

this

[inland jewel]

the first pokemon to have an ability to block priority moves,
The only other way to get Strong Jaw on a pokemon,

Water and Psychic are both good types

it doesn't matter what it looks liek alone, its gonna be fused anyway so we're gonna get cool art

there is literally 0 downsides from it joining

[covert geode]

not the first mon to block priority moves

[inland jewel]

okay, name one thats in this game then

[covert geode]

tsareena

[inland jewel]

is tsareena in this game?

[stuck bane]

In this game

[covert geode]

AH IN THE GAMME

[stuck bane]

Brux has other stuff hold on

Good attack and speed, the only water and psychic type to get strong jaw, and the only mon that gets dazzling

[inland jewel]

being a psychic type that doesn't get sucker punched is gonna be good

i think its ability also blocks prankster as well since those moves get +1 priority

[stuck bane]

Ok maybe not much more but it’s something, yeah psychic immune to sucker punch is something I saw the showdown players talking about

[covert geode]

ik about that

but in the poll there was a lot more mon that were stronger

[stuck bane]

Yeah, hence why this was a meme pick voted for by staff, and it’s not the worst, it’s at least got more going for it than things like silvally

[inland jewel]

Bruxish was chosen to piss off the very vocal Bruxish hate in the server

the staff thought it was funny enough to warrant it being added

and like, aside from its looks its still a solid mon

[stuck bane]

I can’t tell if meloetta or bruxish got more hate during their reveal and that’s kind of upsetting

[covert geode]

bruxish doesn't have very good stat srry but 475 base stat

[errant plinth]

is there a known release date on Bruxish?

[stuck bane]

Not yet

[inland jewel]

no, but its gonna come out alongside Meloetta, and mystery pokemon yet to be revealed

[stuck bane]

Hence fusion to bump up that BST and hand out things like dazzling and strong jaw

[inland jewel]

the dev cycle when it comes to releasing new pokeon tends to take around 3-6 months, so at the earliest Jan-Feb

There is also Wonderskin, but thats a HA so...

[stuck bane]

Actually wow why didn’t I jot that down, it’s also the only water type with wonder skin

[glass patio]

[inland jewel]

so far its the only psychic type in the game with it too

but that will change when sigilyph gets in

[stuck bane]

Someday, Sigilyph….

[glass patio]

i understand all the competitive uses for bruxish
but i don’t like the way it’s looking at me

[inland jewel]

good thing fusions exist right, you won't have to look at them for long

disliking a pokemon for its looks is like the most pettiest thing in a game where you can fuse two pokemon together and change thier looks entirely

[glass patio]

Fair

[stuck bane]

With multiple customs and joke alts if you don’t like em either

[glass patio]

yea ig thats fair enough

[stuck bane]

But yeah, I’m hoping for a February release, not only to get most of the good meloetta sprites from this month, but also this big wave of bruxish fusions that staff made, and potentially the beginning of this next mystery Mon (if 468 is awesome like minior or something ill hope for a March release to get at least a month worth of sprites)

[glass patio]

if it’s minior i’m gonna go insane

[glass patio]

why tho

holy shit please don’t make luvdisk the new year pokemon

anything but that

[stuck bane]

Unfortunately, I do acknowledge the possibility: if a pink fish was Christmas, it’s not a super big stretch to say another pink fish is new years (in-universe, like Alomomola or luvdisc)

Staff had to deal with everything from the vote, especially the altaria reveal, there is a good chance they saw bruxish spiting the community and said “but what about second breakfast?”

[stuck bane]

Ruh roh

[glass patio]

WAIT FROGMAN WHAT

[clever atlas]

I hope he reacted with that heart just because Luvdisc is a heart

[inland jewel]

there is already precedent for a pokemon being hated on getting added

and all this luvdisc hate these past few days

[clever atlas]

I seriously hope so

[glass patio]

holy shit i shouldn’t have said it

[clever atlas]

Bruxish:

[inland jewel]

literally, thre is no reason to hate on any pokemon,

while we can be bummed that a pokemon we want isn't added, any pokeon additions at all are good

[glass patio]

man i love luvdisc i swear fr

[stuck bane]

Yeah, after meloetta, I’m pretty much happy with whatever Pokémon will be revealed, because unlike some people, I meant it when I said “give me meloetta and I’ll never ask for anything ever again”

Like even type:null and silvally, they bring 0 unique mechanical aspects but at least could make potentially cool chimera fusions, every Pokémon does have a reason

[clever atlas]

I mean i'd be fine with almost anything getting in after lycanroc got in but there are exceptions

Brux being one of them

[glass patio]

give me minior and I’ll never ask for anything ever again

i should stop

[stuck bane]

Well, almost every Pokémon: simisear brings literally nothing to the table besides being one of the most hated Pokémon and the prospects of a triple monkey fusion

[glass patio]

lmfao

[stuck bane]

Dude I’ve tried it just has nothing: simisage is at least only grass type with gluttony naturally, and simipour being the only water one, simisear competes for gluttony with heatmor and blaze definitely isn’t something you want simisear for either, no unique moves, it literally has nothing ||(but we could always replace simisear’s HA blaze with wonderguard )||

[inland jewel]

doing some research, the elemental monkies are the only way to get gluttony outside of HA on most mons aside from Shucle

shuckle has it, and the rest have it either as HA or are not in the game or will never be in the game

[glass patio]

don’t take wonderguard from my boy and give it to a monkey

[sharp nebula]

linoone and heatmor have gluttony

[stuck bane]

I jest I jest

[inland jewel]

yeah but they aren't in the game yet

if simisear is added before either of them then it has a niche

[sharp nebula]

but they can be, so the monkeys arent the only way

[stuck bane]

Yeah but that’s all it has going for it

[glass patio]

oh i realized the heehee now

[inland jewel]

well then what is your good reasoning on why Brux shouldn't be addeD?

[clever atlas]

It's the ugliest Pokémon on the poll imo

[white meadow]

adding bruxish ruins the 69 water types joke!

tbh crabominable is worse

[inland jewel]

hating a pokemon for its looks in a game where you can fuse it to make it look different is a really weird reason on why to not include a mon

[stuck bane]

But makes a permanent 469 joke, perfectly balanced as all things should be

[empty pendant]

the first real good reason against bruxish I've seen

[stuck bane]

See above

[clever atlas]

Plus we already have more than enough water types

[inland jewel]

its funny how water isn't even type with the most representation in this game

[stuck bane]

It’s dragon or ghost right? Those are insanely popular

[proud lion]

Bruxish > Luvdisc

[inland jewel]

water is like middle of the pack when it comes to % of mons of that type they have in this game

[clever atlas]

But nearly all of its fusions include the lips or the eyestrain color palette

[glass patio]

wait were there 69 water types

[proud lion]

At least Bruxish has unique moves and has stronger BST

[inland jewel]

um no? it would only include the color if its the head of the fusion, the lips are entirely opptional for all spriters to add.

[stuck bane]

Yes, but bruxish continues it in spirit with 469 dex number so it’s ok

[inland jewel]

Its not like all Jynx fusions have the red lipstick they have

[empty pendant]

Honestly I love its color palette I've used it twice in spriting and it's so funky

[clever atlas]

But most spriters do add them

[stuck bane]

Not to mention joke alts and reversed fusions, if you hate it so much switch it, Brux serves as a better body with the good attack and speed anyways

[inland jewel]

then be the change you want to see, make a lipless Bruxish fusion.

[fallen loom]

what will number 468 be?

[inland jewel]

but yee, Bruxish is a better bodymon anyway so you'd be seeing more Bruxish bodies than heads

[stuck bane]

New years related, dragon related, or pink fish related

[fallen loom]

what is the new years animal next year?

[stuck bane]

We guess so far

[inland jewel]

all we know about 468 is that mods voted for it (specifically the mods that joined after the lycanroc reveal)

[glass patio]

all the 69 IF pokemon before bruxish

[fallen loom]

for Chinese New Year

[stuck bane]

No it was after scolipede reveal

[inland jewel]

2024 is year of the dragon

[glass patio]

another dragon oh gosh

[fallen loom]

gross, I guess it's either Turtonator, Drampa or Druddigon

[stuck bane]

Guzzlord is there too

[inland jewel]

i had a dream that it was druddigon, it would add some gen 5 rep that we have been missing

[stuck bane]

TRUE!!!!!

Frankly any of the new years or year of the dragon related ones would be good additions, even turtonator has some unique aspects to bring to the game

[inland jewel]

Turtonator also brings Shell Trap, plus more fire types (we need more of those)

[stuck bane]

Hold up lemme find it

[fallen loom]

Druddigon looks more like a dragon-dragon, though Drampa is KIND OF more Chinese dragon looking

[stuck bane]

turtonator surprisingly has alot going for it: only fire type to naturally get shell armor, only dragon type to get shell armor, and brings the unique move shell trap into the game, which with the right fusion could go crazy

[inland jewel]

if we are going deep into the year of the dragon, i looked it up and the element of that year is Wood. 2024 is the year of the Wood Dragon

[empty pendant]

turtonator is very ugly but it'd be interesting to work with...

[inland jewel]

he is a good bean, besides spriters are gonna take away that ugliness with their spriting power

[inland jewel]

so it doesn't matter what he looks like, only what their fusions look like

[stuck bane]

Although I’d be happy to see turtonator, it’s unlikely turtonator actually made it, because that would mean it would’ve had to beat Torkoal and with hoenn bias I just don’t see that happening

[fallen loom]

Pokémon by how many of each type in the game by percentage:

35/44 Ghost Types (79.5%)
36/46 Dragon Types (78.3%)
46/64 Ground Types (71.9%)
47/66 Poison Types (71.2%)
34/49 Steel Types (69.4%)
41/61 Rock Types (67.2%)
38/64 Fire Types (59.4%)
60/101 Flying Types (59.4%)
20/34 Ice Types (58.8%)
49/84 Psychic Types (58.3%)
28/49 Electric Types (57.1%)
70/131 Water Types (53.4%)
25/47 Fairy Types (53.2%)
59/112 Normal Types (52.7%)
25/48 Dark Types (52.1%)
48/97 Grass Types (49.5%)
36/77 Bug Types (46.8%)
23/56 Fighting Types (41.1%)

[stuck bane]

Yo I was right, ghost and dragon

[fallen loom]

Bruxish was the 70th Water Type

[inland jewel]

Water being the middle of the pack lmao

we clearly don't have enough water types

[empty pendant]

looks to me like we reeeeally need more fairy, bug, dark, and fighting

[fallen loom]

yes

[empty pendant]

this is why we should've gotten ribombee

[fallen loom]

^

[inland jewel]

Scrafty, Pangoro, and Ribombee wants to know your location

[stuck bane]

What logic are you using for excluding grass? Because if we say 20 slots is a poor amount of reps, we need more electric types too then

[empty pendant]

grass and electric would be the next priority after those 4 I think

[fallen loom]

Ice

[white meadow]

im actually surprised that there aren't that many bugs

[stuck bane]

Oh yeah ice is there too

[fallen loom]

TBF, Fighting should take priority

[inland jewel]

plz, give me kommo-o, meinshao and Hariyama

[fallen loom]

20 Ice Types is fine though because it covers the best ones, while the rest are either mid at best or awful

[inland jewel]

we need Craboninable, get all the ugly mons in

[empty pendant]

ribombee, scrafty, and mienshao would do a good job at bolstering what we need--

[fallen loom]

yeah Scrafty got robbed!

[glass patio]

It’s not even good

[empty pendant]

also imagine how silly+cute Ribombee/Scrafty would be

smiley fairy bug lizard with a scarf and pants--

[fallen loom]

Ghost, Dragon, Ground and Poison are the most overabundant types (by completion)
though Poison is due to Gen 1 mon

[stuck bane]

Reordered list:

Pokémon by how many of each type in the game by percentage:

20/34 Ice Types (58.8%)
23/56 Fighting Types (41.1%)
25/48 Dark Types (52.1%)
25/47 Fairy Types (53.2%)
28/49 Electric Types (57.1%)
34/49 Steel Types (69.4%)
35/44 Ghost Types (79.5%)
36/77 Bug Types (46.8%)
36/46 Dragon Types (78.3%)
38/64 Fire Types (59.4%)
41/61 Rock Types (67.2%)
46/64 Ground Types (71.9%)
47/66 Poison Types (71.2%)
48/97 Grass Types (49.5%)
49/84 Psychic Types (58.3%)
59/112 Normal Types (52.7%)
60/101 Flying Types (59.4%)
70/131 Water Types (53.4%)

[inland jewel]

Pokemon by the amount of pokemon of that type in the game

[white meadow]

in what order exactly

[stuck bane]

So you can’t just pick and choose which types you do or don’t think have enough representation, it’s either strictly numerical or percentage based

[white meadow]

nvm i see

[fallen loom]

I mean I have the numbers XX/XX because it's easier to keep track for me

[proud lion]

Fighting Mons ranked on how much I want them in

[stuck bane]

I think percentage is better overall, but other people were saying that grass doesn’t have priority despite it being bottom 3 percentage, so here’s the other list, pick one or the other

[fallen loom]

Zeraora isn't Fighting

[fallen loom]

Because Ice could never have more than 34 mon, so it's not fair to list it as the least complete type because it's simply the rarest type. For me percentage-wise is more fair and doesn't single out rarer types

[stuck bane]

I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU, I am trying to show the flaws of the other ordering system based on numerical amount in the game

[fallen loom]

oh sorry

[white meadow]

zeraora was robbed of the fighting type

[stuck bane]

All good

[fallen loom]

I misread a bit based on your other listing

[stuck bane]

All good, but just to clarify, I am a unova fan, I’ll take percentage over numerical anyways considering we’re about the same percentage of representation as kalos now

[inland jewel]

what are the percentage of pokemo in the game by region?

[fallen loom]

Speaking of Gen precentages:

Gen 3: 69/135 (51.1%)
Gen 4: 63/107 (58.9%)
Gen 5: 45/156 (28.8%)
Gen 6: 20/72 (27.8%)
Gen 7: 13/88 (14.8%)

[glass patio]

king chandelure the fifth, founder of idk unova

[stuck bane]

Iirc it’s yeah both Gen 5 and 6 at about 28%

[glass patio]

see, we need more gen 7 guys

[empty pendant]

okay, I have a thought:

actual ranking = (percentage ranking x 0.6) + (numerical ranking x 0.4)

for which types need more pokemon the most

[white meadow]

making up a formula to see what is the most needed type is crazy

[stuck bane]

Yeah like why though, I’ll try it though and I promise you it won’t end up how you like

[white meadow]

meh types don't have to be the only criteria for judging pokemon

[empty pendant]

maybe I"m just doing math for funsies

[fallen loom]

In that case Water is: 17.7077952

[empty pendant]

I can probably make Excel do this for me...

[stuck bane]

But imo, hoenn and kalos got way too much love this update when it wasn’t necessary to give them that much, now in future updates it’s going to be super skewed towards unova and a little bit to alola because there just wasn’t any balance this update

[fallen loom]

Sinnoh has more percentage-wise

[glass patio]

more alola 🔥🔥🔥

[sullen elbow]

Or generation

[stuck bane]

Yes, hence why it doesn’t need a ton of reps, some is fine like froslass, but you’ll never see sinnoh pulling the numbers of 12 something reps that hoenn got this update

[glass patio]

wait, where’s the love for kanto and johto pokemon
we barely have any of those

[fallen loom]

TBF, gens 5 and 7 have the best Bugs, so we need more of them for that reason

[stuck bane]

True

[fallen loom]

comparing % of Gens in SV:
Gen 1: 99/151 (65.6%)
Gen 2: 82/100 (82%)
Gen 3: 88/135 (65.2%)
Gen 4: 88/107 (82.2%)
Gen 5: 87/156 (55.8%)
Gen 6: 47/72 (65.3%)
Gen 7: 55/88 (65.5%)
Gen 8: 70/96 (72.9%)
Total: 736/1025 (71.8%)

[stuck bane]

Wrong list again

[fallen loom]

I said in SV

[stuck bane]

Oh, but why here then?

[white meadow]

crazy how sun and moon are the games with the most pokemon usable

[fallen loom]

I wanted to compare Gen completion for this game to SV

[empty pendant]

okay so I did the Math

[stuck bane]

Motherfucker they literally made a unova DLC for SV and it still has the least percentage of reps

[fallen loom]

3rd DLC should have cut Pokémon from other Switch games

Ground is first???

[stuck bane]

No its last

[empty pendant]

I did 1 for "least Pokemon/percent" and 18 for "most Pokermon/percent" for both lists to be consistent

This means Fighting needs rep the most, and Ground needs it the least

[stuck bane]

Still never gave an explanation on why it’s a 60/40 split, but I guess it’s kind of accurate

[inland jewel]

the dragalge enjoyers are not making out of this one

[glass patio]

damn why can’t there be less rock flying

[fallen loom]

The list still sadly singles out Ice Types

[empty pendant]

it's a 60/40 split because percentage is more important than raw number, picked kind of arbitrarily--I can adjust the formula based off how important we think these factors are

[inland jewel]

what would the math look like if you reversed the numbers

if we cared about how many pokemon of a type are in instead of their percentage

[stuck bane]

Or 50/50 split since both lists aren’t the exact same

[inland jewel]

or just do both maths

[empty pendant]

if you go 60-40 in favor of "raw number of Pokemon", you get:

Ice gets higher up because it has so few Pokemon in its list at all despite there only being a few left

[fallen loom]

TBF, Indigo Disk added 34 Gen 5 mon which is more than any other Gen got for newly added mon for that DLC

[glossy osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/raise-eyebrows-dwayne-johnson-the-rock-seven-bucks-what-gif-26567798

[inland jewel]

all in all we still need fightng and dark types

[empty pendant]

50-50 is similar

[fallen loom]

I liked the first list more

percentage should take priority over how many mon there are total of a type

[inland jewel]

5050 best

[stuck bane]

Yeah scrafty and Pangoro are desperately needed to even things out

[fallen loom]

and Crabinable too sadly

[empty pendant]

did that wrong, sec

[sharp nebula]

we can skip crabominable

[stuck bane]

Crabominable isn’t a dark fighting type

[fallen loom]

Fighting Ice

[glass patio]

ok this isn’t the best way to know what pokemon we need based on that

[white meadow]

aaand that is why typing should not be the only criteria

[fallen loom]

I mean blame GF for making Ice stupidly slow

[stuck bane]

No what I’m saying is scrafty and Pangoro represent 2 of the most under represented types for only 4 slots

[empty pendant]

bumped to 70-30 in favor of percent, which brings water up and ice and steel down some

[fallen loom]

I was saying that the whole time, yet everyone just wanted more Flying and Dragon types

[inland jewel]

imagine... dragons

[white meadow]

because not everyone bases their picks from typing

[empty pendant]

personally I think this split captures about how I feel the number vs percent "should" be valued when saying what types are under- or over-represented

[stuck bane]

Well, that can’t be helped a ton, ghost and dragon have stayed at the top for a reason, they’re just too popular, but yeah ghost and dragon unfortunately heavily skewed any fighting types we could have gotten

[fallen loom]

if that's true then why do we have so many Dragons? UH, BECAUSE DRAGON TYPE IS SEEN AS COOL

[white meadow]

because dragon types are actually designed good?

[empty pendant]

the raw number matters a little but not as much as the percent

[fallen loom]

too bad the best Dragons came out in gens 8 and 9

[white meadow]

and with your logic people would want druddigon simply because it's a dragon, and yet they don't

[fallen loom]

just because 90% of all Dragon Types are popular doesn't mean the other 10% are

all I'm saying is that for 90% of popular Dragon Types, we have 30% of popular Fighting Types

[white meadow]

and just because 90% of the dragon types are popular doesn't mean people want them for their type

most of them have a good design, good stats and stuff like crabominable has neither

[fallen loom]

crabinable is trash, but what about the others?

[inland jewel]

hey now, I ant Crabominable

[stuck bane]

70/30 is fair, so fighting/dark/bug are the most underrepresented, luckily unova brings these in droves:

Fighting: Emboar, conkeldurr, Throh and Sawk, scrafty, Mienshao, swords of justice (15)

Dark: Liepard, scrafty, mandibuzz (6)

Bug: leavanny, Crustle, escavalier, accelgor, Durant (10)

[white meadow]

the other ice types? like the snorunt line?

[fallen loom]

Snorunt is in

[white meadow]

exactly, because it actually looks nice and has decent stats

[stuck bane]

It’s weird though, because I always assumed dark was super popular with things like Krookodile and bisharp

[fallen loom]

I like Cubchoo line, despite the lack of good physcial Ice moves

[stuck bane]

Please tell me you’re talking about froslass

[white meadow]

yeah

just said snorunt line but ye mainly talking about froslass since it's an ice type that isn't slow for once

[fallen loom]

one thing Gen 9 did well was finally add in good physical Electric and Ice moves

[inland jewel]

saying a pokemon shouldn't be in because of how it looks is really petty when we're in a game that literally can fuse two mons and make them look like literally anyting else

[stuck bane]

Yeah I was about to say Glalie has no stats, but anyways Beartic is great too:

Beartic: polar bear fusions, ice beard fusions, great attack and good hp, only ice type to get swift swim, and the only Mon with slush rush

[glass patio]

like combining a jolteon with electrode to make a nice yellow ball

[white meadow]

ik, there should be multiple reasons to want a pokemon, and not just because of it's typing

[gray vine]

eh disagree i like his design, his first form looks worse but still not bad

[fallen loom]

Beartic, Ursaring and Pangoro would make a great triple fusion

[stuck bane]

That’s a first, actual Crabominable fan who likes it more than crabrawler

[gray vine]

crabrawler kinda boring, tho most crab mons are

they are neat but not evry interesting

[white meadow]

at least it looks like an actual crab

[gray vine]

like all crab mons?

[fallen loom]

Crabinable has weird paw claws though

[white meadow]

instead of just representing more the abominable part

[gray vine]

crabomable is a coconut crab mixed with the abomable snowman

[fallen loom]

also the claws literally open up like one of those swing bin lids

Abomasnow was the better abominable snowman

[glass patio]

this

[fallen loom]

for decent Ice, Fighting and Dark rep just add in Pangoro and Beartic

[inland jewel]

still, we need more ice and fighting types and crabominable fights both criterias,

It brings Ice Hammer to the game,
one of the few mons to have dynamic punch

[white meadow]

move tutors?

[inland jewel]

learns reversals at level 33 while other mons get it at level 45-50

[gray vine]

i dont disagree but it be boring if something can only be used for 1 mon

[stuck bane]

Scrafty is technically better since Pancham is only fighting iirc, but I still think Pangoro is awesome and I’d take him if possible

[glass patio]

panda 🤯

[fallen loom]

I only said that for a triple bear fusion

[white meadow]

now that i think about it, would the scrafty line just make other pokemon wear a skinsuit of themselves?

[stuck bane]

Oh, well yeah a potential triple bear fusion would be cool if we could convince frog to add it

[glass patio]

I don’t think they’ll add that officially tho

[white meadow]

i wonder how would it feel to wear your own shed skin as clothing

[stuck bane]

Scrafty definitely brings baggy pants, funny skin fusions is still a possibility though

[inland jewel]

the requirements of adding a triple is making a sprite for them, and suggesting the triple in #game-suggestions on why they are a triple fusion

of course it has to be a mon thats already in the game

[stuck bane]

But he has vetoed stuff like triple hitmon and stuff

[fallen loom]

a quick way to get 5 Fighting Types:
The Swords of Justice (as long as Keldeo counts as two)

[inland jewel]

did they provide a sprite for them?

[stuck bane]

Swords of justice is only 4 unfortunately

[white meadow]

isn't keldeo's form just cosmetic

[stuck bane]

Oh, wait nm, yeah I doubt resolute counts it’s really only cosmetic

[glass patio]

wait is it really only cosmetic

[fallen loom]

I could have sworn it got different stats

sadly

[stuck bane]

Nope, unfortunately not, just looks different

[glass patio]

Damn
L

[fallen loom]

what about Rotom though?

Rotom needs different dex numbers

[glass patio]

why not, the forms change the stats and typing

[fallen loom]

also add in partner Eevee and Pikachu

[glass patio]

nah

[fallen loom]

but it changes the stats

[glass patio]

rotom forms atleast have major changes

it’d be difficult to distinguish between regular pikachu and partner pikachu

kinda like what happened with orange lycanroc

[fallen loom]

Lycanroc got robbed!

[glass patio]

Bro, it’s almost the same as day lycanroc

[fallen loom]

1. We don't get Tough Claws now
2. Dusk form gets different stats and an exclusive move
3. ORANGE is different enough difference from brownish

[glass patio]

It’d be hard to distinguish between them for body fusions

[glass patio]

you forget about body fusions

[fallen loom]

what about my other points then

[glass patio]

That’s all you need to know

[sullen elbow]

The stats are barely diferent from day

[stuck bane]

It’s not the orange that’s the problem, the problem is going off the black shillouette in guess the Pokémon, that’s impossible to differentiate between midday and dusk

[fallen loom]

that is BS, since it's NOTHING on the level of Surfing Pikachu and I keep on saying why over and over again!

Surfing Pikachu is a Pikachu that knows Surf with NO other differences

[stuck bane]

But we don’t have surfing Pikachu as an alt form

[glass patio]

wait, this reminded me of plusle and minun

[fallen loom]

Dusk Lycanroc not only has different stats to the other forms, it also has the best ability of the bunch (that got cut for 0 reason)

[glass patio]

how do you distinguish them
Like not thay i care about them

Just saying

[sullen elbow]

Its not zero reason if you disagree

[stuck bane]

The biggest hope with plusle/minun and basculin red/blue stripe is that both designs are so simple that the unique aspects carry them. Ex: plus and minus symbols being very obvious on the fusion, or the fin differences for basculin

[glass patio]

yea, but remember that guessing game

[fallen loom]

why cut Tough Claws in the FIRST place?! The ONLY mon that can even learn it are Megas, redancted Lycanroc and a fugly AF Rock type that's never getting in

[stuck bane]

See game suggestions to talk about tough claws, I put in an idea on the most recent suggestion that is gaining some traction

[fallen loom]

Frog destroyed any chance of getting that Ability

[sullen elbow]

Some people care about the sprites and not just the stats as hard as it is to believe for you

[fallen loom]

dude, I ALREADY SAID SOMEONE SUGGESTED IT AND IT WENT NOWHERE

[glass patio]

Big this

[sullen elbow]

Why not add medicham instead since pure power is way better than tough claws? /j

[fallen loom]

Azumarill is in

[fluid fable]

Theoretically, how would Vivillon work in IF?

[fallen loom]

body fusions would make patterns based on the head fusion

so we only need one form

same with Furfrou

[fluid fable]

I meant all of the different forms. I could see Viv being perfect for making real life butterflies and pretty color palletes. I hate Meloetta but I love its colors.

[fallen loom]

I know and I said we only need one since body fusions would make the other forms redundant

[fluid fable]

I also love the colors of Jirachi, Bewear, and Togkiss but those are great pokemon in general.

[arctic glacier]

Low key glad Contrary Serperior isn’t in the game

[austere jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/fairies-fairy-bluey-whack-whack-it-gif-16183273

[glossy osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-anime-stare-look-glowing-eyes-gif-17858126

[stuck bane]

Bruh what is with this hate of some of the best Pokémon of all time? First meloetta and now this? Are the effects of bruxish finally setting in?

[white meadow]

i think it's more of the fact that people that like the additions don't feel like needing to add any comment, while people that don't just want to complain

[cobalt nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/regi-gif-21907523

So, the fish somehow made it in.

[glossy osprey]

I still remember that registeel thad meme, good times

[cobalt nebula]

Good for its fans I guess

[hushed mantle]

So when new revelal?

[glossy osprey]

Next year

[brisk solstice]

He only said '24 so I'm betting on 2124

[stuck bane]

well, technically that was bruxish's reveal, after the 24th he clarified, but frog has said that the reveal will be anytime within the next 3 days (day before new years eve, new years eve, or new years day)

so today, tomorrow, or day after depending on when they'll have the reveal stuff ready

[royal drum]

Eh, they can reveal it later if they want to

It's the old/new year days after all

[final obsidian]

so is cool dino technically a "new pokemon" or what, cause this thing is a goddamn enigma

[glossy osprey]

FR what is up with the cool dino

[brisk solstice]

It's just a gag

[digital spire]

Tbh bruxish is certainly a choice

[glass patio]

Out of all pokemon, bruxish is certainly one of them

[proud lion]

Better than Luvdisc at least

[arctic glacier]

I will always appreciate Meloetta cause it stopped Chimeco from getting added.

[stuck bane]

bruxish is better than luvdisc, but I wouldn't say luvdisc is as bad as something like silvally: it at least has good speed in spite of all of it's other horrible stats, and it is the only water type able to learn heart stamp. Granted, two reasons isn't alot more than 1, and it absolutely should be one of the last pokemon added

[stuck bane]

I'm sorry to literally every fan of every other musical pokemon, but meloetta was the best by a long shot, there have already been so many music and dance related things that chatot, chimecho, and others couldn't dream of bringing to the table. Yeah chatot can bring parrot fusions and chimecho can bring banners, but they both pale in comparison to meloetta's music potential.

[white meadow]

Y you bully my baby qwq

[arctic glacier]

It added nothing to the game

and it would have meant chingling also got in

[white meadow]

Chingling is even better qwq

I mean sadly there is only one fusion on it made on this server but its so perfect

[royal drum]

Idk if we're getting minior with the 1 spot, since they have a core and meteor version

[stuck bane]

Because of how similar the core and meteor form are in guess the Pokémon, we’re assuming it’ll be one-slot and work similarly to aegislash

If it is minior

[digital ferry]

I’d have loved Chimecho. Bells, Banners, Scarves, and Crime Scenes all in one. Oh well, maybe someday (hopefully sooner rather than later)

[proud lion]

I would rather have Simipour than Luvdisc. It at least learns Scald.

[unique flame]

MINIOr FOR 468

[outer matrix]

minior/spiritomb would just be a black hole

[digital ferry]

Luvdisc is one slot tho. And it does have the heart theme going for it which could be fun

[eager jungle]

[white meadow]

I was bored

[inland jewel]

friendly reminder that hate posting on a pokemon is a proven precedent on the mon getting in

[prime dust]

the pachirisu eyes mixed with the spinda eyes are wonk

[white meadow]

Ik but just one of them was weirder

[gray vine]

now just make a million more versions of that sprite

ah sorry i meant 4 billion

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-dr-evil-one-hundred-billion-dollars-billion-money-gif-26979598

[glass patio]

you’re a great person

#1190520595247550464 i was doing this thing

[glass patio]

i once saw a minior spiritomb from reddit that looked sick

this one

[glass patio]

Save it for valentine’s day then

[digital ferry]

Not my call ^^

[glass patio]

ik but it would fit tho

Yea ig luvdisc could work for valentine’s day fusions

[glass patio]

MAKE ALL 4,294,967,296 SPINDA FORMS FOR IT 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[worn dove]

guys I found a way to make chat gpt draw my fakemons spirtes which are also generated by chat gpt

[white meadow]

Imagine 468 is Lycanroc Dusk only cuz so many asked

[dusky dock]

These are AI generated ?

[hushed mantle]

Those are just downscaled ai generated images

[last pecan]

glad to see my fake info is getting passed around

[stuck bane]

So I would get the new thing in downloads but I’m too busy doing a dragonballz infinite fusion nuzlocke somebody else find out what the Pokémon is

[brisk solstice]

It's only for the install bat, they removed the species.zip error

[stuck bane]

Oh I see, nm then

[cobalt nebula]

What’s this about another announcement?

[brisk solstice]

Just a change to the alt installer, it's still 6.0.4

[proud lion]

So it does not have any hints for the new Mon?

[glossy osprey]

Calling it now castform for new years

[prime dust]

i feel like that would be too much work

as that requires getting the weather system figured out/fixed [while also fixing any other abilities tied to weather effects that are currently bugged as well]

[white meadow]

what error?
Is it something you need or?

[brisk solstice]

I think they changed the format from species.zip to species.dat, which made the installer confused. It would show every time (even though it was successful) and people would go into #tech-support asking what went wrong even though nothing did

[white meadow]

What does that species thing do?

[brisk solstice]

it's just a data file to run the game

[white meadow]

and performence wise it does nothing right?

like changeing from zip to dat

[brisk solstice]

I don't think so, it wasn't something the users did it was something frog did during development

[white meadow]

oh okay

[worn dove]

Yes

[rocky condor]

Remember chat, we could have these. Let me have my funny haha parrot in the game

[vivid yarrow]

I want gen 7 starters >:o

[clever atlas]

Pretty likely in the future, don't ask when tho
Literally noone knows

[drowsy drift]

it is new sprite pack day my dudes

[white meadow]

I want Chatot atm cuz I wanna make a Anzu wyliei that has pretty colors to a thought that maybe it had them

[nocturne silo]

[white meadow]

My Chatot/Archeops is better tho

[silent acorn]

Time to finish my Gen 7 list hehehe

[stuck bane]

||and right before the gen 7 Mon reveal too ||

[silent acorn]

Is it gen 7?

[bold atlas]

??? there's another reveal happening? where's this come from

[stuck bane]

You tell me ||(I only said that because half of the new years options are from Gen 7: minior, guzzlord, Drampa, Blacephalon, and turtonator, also for reasons stated yesterday of a lot of Gen 5 and 7 being likely in the future)||

[bold atlas]

oh wait have they done this every year

[stuck bane]

Meloetta Pirouette is 467, bruxish is 469, so…

[bold atlas]

i meant there being a reveal at all

didn't know that was a tradit here

[stuck bane]

Oh, well also frog said the reveal was gonna be yesterday, today, or tomorrow too

[lament pulsar]

Will there be a chance for Golisopod to make it into the game, such a cool design.

[stuck bane]

Golisopod got really close, 2nd place in spriter vote, if it had won it would’ve replaced rockruff, but this time around no since it’s a one-slot

[bold atlas]

think the only mons ruled out are gen 8+ right?

[stuck bane]

If we’re talking about 468, it’s a Pokémon that takes only 1 slot in the dex,

But in general anything Gen 8+ will always be out of the running unless somebody wants to do a coding nightmare and try to make Gen 8+ easily possible

So things like Golisopod, Eelektross, etc with evolutions can’t be 468

[lament pulsar]

I was happy when noivern was added, noivern and Golisopod is some of my favourites

How frequent game adds new Pokemons

[glass patio]

according to sin, 3-6 months
also sup

[lament pulsar]

Torkoal can be a option to, access to drought other than groudon or ninetales.

[bold atlas]

(might sound slow but it used to be NEVER.)

[glass patio]

yep

[stuck bane]

Hey, at least a favorite got in, some weren’t so lucky,

Outside of this new years reveal, and big events like the vote, the single developer only adds mons when he feels like it, so although we don’t know when the next update will be, Golisopod will probably be high up there considering it had a massive campaign and made 2nd place in the whole spriter vote

[stuck bane]

(Torkoal can’t be an option because leaks deconfirmed it )

[glass patio]

[lament pulsar]

Man sounds really great, hope it gets added sooner or later

[stuck bane]

That’s literally all we know though it’s a one slot that isn’t Torkoal

Torkoal was super popular too, hoenn bias and made the raffle and stuff

[lament pulsar]

[worn dove]

my first spriting attempt , what do you guys think ? where should I focus or change .

[cobalt nebula]

My prediction, it will be a dragon type

Cause it’ll be the year of the dragon

[glacial jolt]

This isn't really the channel for that kind of stuff, I would try #spriting-discussion

Also while I'm not sure how this server feels about AI art, there's some rules that sprites should follow that the AI can't always follow, see #spriting-guidelines

[brisk solstice]

I don't think it could go in the game since it has a background and wouldn't be the correct image size

[silent acorn]

What was the leak courage?

[glass patio]

i have it

[inland jewel]

basically one of the mods was complaining about how torkoal wasn't going to be in next update

[silent acorn]

Please do share. I would appreciate it

[silent acorn]

Well crap lol. And here i thought it was pretty good one.

[glass patio]

wait idk i think it’s this

[inland jewel]

okay my source was from anotehr mod

so thats 2 sources confirming its not

[stuck bane]

I showed you before it was the one with hero saying he wanted torkoal to be 470 (because it wasnt 468)

[unique flame]

Do we have another clue?

Im in a minior or spinda train

[unique flame]

I would not be mad with a drudigon

[stuck bane]

basically anything that isn't a pink fish that's related to new years would be a good addition to the game

[alpine rune]

Blacephalon?

[lime gull]

We saw this before Bruxish was announced

So I guess Minior is being added

[empty pendant]

those are voltorb body alts

[lime gull]

Suuureee

[empty pendant]

no they literally said so, read the post titles

[glass patio]

Nah

[lime gull]

Just as Bruxish was Goldeen or whatever

[glass patio]

Bro no i’m not a sprite manager
I posted those as voltorb cause i wanted them in the game

i’m desperate to have minior but i dont know what we’re getting
if it’s minior it’s a complete coincidence

[lime gull]

Would be a cool coincidence

[glass patio]

because i have no idea who’s getting in bro i’m just a regular member on this server with a blue name

[glass patio]

would be the best coincidence ever

i would go nuts

[lime gull]

They are very well designed to just be alts haha

[glass patio]

it’s minior why wouldn’t they be well designed

If minior got added, i’d immediately change those to minior

but i don’t have any idea of what is getting in

[lime gull]

Alright keep your secrets 🤣🤣🤣

[glass patio]

ssunday gave me the idea to post it as an alt

[silent acorn]

Any ball shaped pokemon lol

[silent acorn]

If it were I'd make a project to make a star themed lady mon. Maybe make Bellossom a floating little star?

About the only thing I dislike about minior itself are the eyes. They are like another spinda eyes

[glass patio]

but better

[glass patio]

although if i see a minior in gallery now by a sprite manager i’m gonna go nuts

nah they only did that for bruxish because bruxish is a joke

[proud lion]

That is how I figured Bruxish got in and joined in on the joke before the reveal

Had this as Jynx before 469

[glass patio]

anyways, first minior fusion in gallery without counting the sprites using tiny miniors

but maybe they announce minior now and i’m not there so i’d have to repost them with different file names and someone posts a minior before i do that

[glass patio]

btw thanks for that

kinda late to say it tho

[opaque trail]

I just rejoined how are they adding new Pokémon to the game

[glass patio]

468 is missing

[proud lion]

They found a coding way

[glass patio]

plus like we got thousands of slots available now so in some months we’ll prob get more

[opaque trail]

I thought there was a storage issue

[glass patio]

[proud lion]

They used to ; but they found a way

[glass patio]

when did you leave?

[stuck bane]

Breakthrough in the code was found, now almost all the Pokémon up to Gen 7 are possible, see pins for all new additions

[opaque trail]

Idk but my main spriting time was last February

[glass patio]

ohhhhh that explains everything

you keep your roles after leaving? i mean i dont wanna leave but nice

[stuck bane]

Everything but meloetta, bruxish, and 468 can be found in the must current update

[opaque trail]

Apparently yeah

[glass patio]

check out this list for everything added/being added @opaque trail

[opaque trail]

Incredible

[glass patio]

Yea

it’s poggers

[silent acorn]

Tururu done so! Gen 7 list complete. This one is gonna trigger people I am sure

[glossy osprey]

w list

[silent acorn]

You know so. Of course the blackhole dragon would be up there I mean come on its a freaking void. Also has the interesting thing of being the UB with highest health

[silent acorn]

Nah it's not because of looks. It's because of gameplay. Such an awesome design and yet they decided to do it super dirty with the moves

Because it's even more unusable than magikarp or even wishiwashi because atleast That one has moves. So the problem is that they anchor Solgaleo and Lunala as not so good options.

They are basically 2 slots of deadweight behind a humongous ship

[glass patio]

what r those minior sprites, they look good

[silent acorn]

No idea. They were on the tier site I was using.

[glass patio]

oh

[silent acorn]

The thing with the UBs I put on the top is that those are the ones with insane stat distribution. Meanwhile celeesteela is the most average one overall

[fallen pagoda]

bro, can anyone help me? I tried to enter the game for the first time, I used the installer and everything and when I go to enter it stays on the initial screen and I don't know how to progress, I've tried clicking on all the keys but it won't work.

[glass patio]

#gameplay-help
this isn’t the channel for that

[silent acorn]

Go to #gameplay-help

[fallen pagoda]

okay

[outer matrix]

Pretty solid placements for the top 2 tiers

[silent acorn]

Thanks.

I mostly use 4 criterias. Which are ability, moveset, sinergy between the two first and finally design. All of it ties together how solid the addition is. Mudsdale is first from 2nd tier because it's a solid typying being ground type does that, but also it's ability to boost defense by just being hit is solid, it has solid moves and variety, is a equine creature which always work for majestic creatures

Overall solid but not like highest highest

[next flare]

https://tiermaker.com/create/pokemon-gen-seven That tier list they used has more vibrant sprites than the smogon ones for some reason

[silent acorn]

Comfey is behind ribombee for a simple reason, it's a solid fairy type, balanced quite well as a tank, nice little niche abilities and finally it's just one slot. It's a quite easy addition, as a head it works excellent as body that's where it fails

In my logic slot space is a huge factor because it affects how good something is in exchange for the extra space

Sure we could technically add everything, but incrementally that would take years. So it's better to focus on the now and how the addition improves the overall thing. Kinda like how solid one offs like Hawlucha, Dhelmise, sableye and Dhelmise are one time deals and that's it and aren't huge lines that cost that much.

[glass patio]

anyways, really good tierlist

[stuck bane]

Yeah I have to agree, turtonator has a bit going for it but people can still say it’s ugly which is fair enough for high c tier, I have no complaints with this list good job

[glass patio]

so there was only two gen 7 pokemon in the game huh

shouldn’t you put orange lycanroc in another tier

in variants are unlikely?

[stuck bane]

Yeah, kalos and alola originally didn’t have a ton before this update

[glass patio]

y know, not all of them, but regionals could have the same issue that orange lycanroc has with the body fusions

more than alola ig

[stuck bane]

Yeah, we were thinking that’s why regional variants will be ignored for the most part, in guess the fusion things like alolan muk and kantonian muk will be so hard to differentiate

[glass patio]

yep

[glass patio]

talonflame best birb

[stuck bane]

In all honesty, Talonflame was probably the first regional bird who was gonna make it in, as much as I like Staraptor more

[silent acorn]

True...it qualifies for that

[glass patio]

Oh, november pack

[stuck bane]

I believe this is the pack with the first month of Lycanroc sprites right? And the first few days of meloetta?

[glass patio]

meh i love talonflame
oh i havent made a single talonflame sprite

[stuck bane]

Even though it’s not in game yet

[glass patio]

ig so

[tranquil path]

Was necozma getting sprites in oct?

[glass patio]

necro alr got sprites

[stuck bane]

I think only a handful, necrozma was difficult to sprite and I think it was an end of month reveal like meloetta

So the October pack prob only had a handful

[tranquil path]

I see. Well at least with the rock dogs getting sprites itll feel better using them

[stuck bane]

In fact does anyone know when fusiondex is updated with the new sprite pack? I’m curious to see where Lycanroc stands now and where meloetta stands if it’s added to fusion dex

[glass patio]

has daena updated

[arctic glacier]

Give it a few days it’s new years

[glass patio]

fair

[arctic glacier]

Also Meloetta isn’t in the game yet so I don’t think they’re in Daena

[glass patio]

Yep not updated, I’d have more sprites

Well, i think daena said she was gonna add triples in the next site update

https://if.daena.me/3.6.9/
The data for triples is in the site tho

[stuck bane]

I’m talking about this, it’ll be curious to see how many Lycanroc sprites were made in the first month, and if Melo is in this list (it’s sprites were added to the November pack since end of November reveal) I’m curious to see how many meloetta sprites we got in that short time frame, because iirc it was a good bit

[silent acorn]

The duality of the spriter

[glass patio]

There’s #1110705913574203402 btw

[silent acorn]

I wanted to make a request to Joanna for an idea I got.

Now I don't remember what it was exactly

[glass patio]

next sprite i make will be a talonflame
probably

[white meadow]

Two Pokemon I DESPERATELY want in IF are Primarina and Lunala

[glass patio]

one would prob come with the whole starter trio
the another one is a legendary line with 3 other pokemon
so give it some time

[white meadow]

Ah gotcha

[silent acorn]

Fun fact that Sun and Mood probably have the biggest amount of female looking pokemon

[white meadow]

Salazzle is only female and no males

[silent acorn]

Female looking. I didn't say they had to have the 100% rate for it.

Tsareena, Salazzle, Pheromosa, Primarina, tapu fini and tapu lele.

[white meadow]

Ohhh

[silent acorn]

Literally you could do a girl team with the starter, Tsareena and Salazzle

I think as far as I know the only kinda feminine fighting pokemon is pheromosa

[glass patio]

iron valiant? Idk it’s a robot

[silent acorn]

I would class more as unisex honestly. Feminine I think it's like you see it and it gives you that vibe.

Like femine kinda either means delicate and gentle or energetic and cute

I think Gardevoir and Lopunny kinda set it up to have that kinda category

[glass patio]

Idk, like iron valiant is like a mix of gallade and gardevoir
⚧

[silent acorn]

It's like unisex, also it's a robot. So I don't even know. Like Magearna is made to resemble a maid or lady, but like it's still a bot

Like imagine trying to put genders on magnetite or metagross that begs a crap ton of questions

[glass patio]

meteors have no gender :(

[silent acorn]

I mean... Its kind of sentient rock them doing that is...

[glass patio]

yea i’m just saying it as a joke

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/robots-eyebrows-innuendo-dtf-gif-14772847

I Wonder what the next genderless mon will be

[glass patio]

https://tenor.com/view/minior-minior-pokemon-pokemon-i-only-stand-for-one-flag-minior-nation-gif-23996712

[plush inlet]

I'm ready for disappointment

[glass patio]

Same, disappointment hell yeah

[unique flame]

MINIOR MINIOR MINIOR MINIOR MINIOR

or spinda

[glass patio]

and if not minior, here’s how miniors could be posted
bodies as voltorbs cause ball
heads as idk clefairy line because space?

[feral bear]

Bruxish/Zoroark?! She will be yassified 👁️ 👄 👁️

[silent acorn]

We should... Jojo

[dim sparrow]

heads as geodude but colors

[silent acorn]

Wha Ho.. I dont remember did I tell you jojo?

[glass patio]

or that too

[silent acorn]

Well anyway go for it! I know you can make it slay!

[feral bear]

u requested it but i was super busy yesterday smh but i think i can give it a go when i have time!

its gonna be hard to make her not sexy tho

but i will do my best

[silent acorn]

I'll be looking forward to it Jojo! It's a life or death mission! No pressure! ||seriously though thanks for taking the time to check it lol||

[glass patio]

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[lime gull]

Shame we cant get Eiscue

Easiest to sprite just paste its head onto any body

[lusty cosmos]

I'm away from the server for a while, I come back, and Bruxish is now in the game. Who's knees do I have to break now 👿

[stuck bane]

Bruxish haters: if it weren’t for them, bruxish would never have been added