pif-hoenn-discussion

[limber niche]

I mean yeah, but if Oricorio become _1, _2, _3, that leaves three empty numbers in the dex

[charred cove]

Yeah, but they could fill them in later, in a later event y' know?

[late thunder]

Everything could just slide down three dex numbers

[charred cove]

I imagine that'd be annoying since the game uses the dex numbers internally to list the sprites, as far as I can tell from the spriters' gallery

[limber niche]

I suppose none of those mons have been added to the game yet so it wouldn't be any extra work to slide everyone up

[stone cliff]

Any of the sprites made for the mons announced after Oricorio would have to be renamed

[sterile verge]

btw i just wanna say i called forms being added in this update
you all laughed at me when I said that
well who's lauging now?
me, it is me who is laughing

[limber niche]

Oh that's icky that we're going to have multiple ways that forms are presented then

[white meadow]

why do i have a weird role

[late thunder]

There are tools to mass rename files so it's not that hard
Bulk Rename Utility is the one I use

[rapid topaz]

necrozma "event"

[unkempt stone]

I see everything has returned to normal

[white meadow]

well

it matches the spriter icon so im not complaining tbh

[unkempt stone]

Me when the devs have to add every single form of Unown now

[charred cove]

Spinda

[unkempt stone]

This probably isn't real for the sake of redundancy

[white meadow]

NOOO

WHOEVER GAVE ME BLACK ... ... ROLE INSTEAD OF BEIGE I DONT LIKE YOU

[unkempt stone]

As funny as it would be to have individual fusions for each letter of Unown, that'd just be kinda pointless

[limber niche]

Just say the special form of the mon that was added and you'll get it back

[white meadow]

ultra necrozma

[charred cove]

It's random. Say ultra necrozm4 and it will go beige

[white meadow]

necrozma

[bitter comet]

necrozma

[white meadow]

why no victini

[dry nest]

bruh

[white meadow]

THERES NO MORE REVEALS :(

i want V I C T I N I I I I I I I I

[obsidian pagoda]

Is this the absolute final reveal?

[white meadow]

yesh

[cyan hare]

Soooo what votes do we have left?

[white meadow]

none

[cyan hare]

Nah we have the spriter poll right

[white meadow]

in that case theres no we because you aren't a spriter :P

[cyan hare]

Yea but it does mean another reveal right?

[white meadow]

i think so

[odd lake]

imagine if there were secret pokemon for reacting to the lightbulb even more

[white meadow]

i dont think its a vote though, i think whoever wins the contest gets to pick

[white meadow]

rotom-chandelier form

[odd lake]

solgaleo and lunala

[white meadow]

they have no relation to light bulbs

[odd lake]

solgaleo is the embodiment of the sun

[white meadow]

lightbulb is not the embodiment of the sun

[odd lake]

and they have relation to necrozma

i just got a black role..

[charred cove]

Not with that attitude!

[white meadow]

necrozma is light, light-bulb

solgaleo is sun, its not called a sunbulb or a lightsun

[lean hedge]

Maybe a triple evolution with the 3 og eeveelutions joltion vaporion and flareon

[white meadow]

jolporfleon

[odd lake]

why is everyones role turning black slowly?)

[white meadow]

necrozma = black
ultra necrozma = beige

[charred cove]

That

[alpine rune]

How does even the 450_1 work?!

[odd lake]

ik but we had that event

[white meadow]

ultra necrozma

[white meadow]

It is made up of numbers, which are used for math,

you're welcome

[odd lake]

450-1

[white meadow]

450-1.???
???.450.1

[odd lake]

i just learnt

ultra necrozma = your name turns beige

[limber niche]

450_1

[odd lake]

necrozma = your name turns black

[limber niche]

Oh hey they changed the black again so I can see names

[odd lake]

type ultra necrozma

[limber niche]

Oh I know how it works. I've been playing along since the shenanigans started

[odd lake]

i only just figured it out lol

after looking in general

[lean hedge]

Necrozma solgaleo lunala

[odd lake]

necrozma solgaleo lunala ultra necrozma

[alpine rune]

So does the necrozma and ultra necrozma get different stats or just the same but reskin?

[odd lake]

dawn wings

[fast ruin]

Well, one and a half new abilities. Prism Armor is literally just renamed filter

[alpine rune]

Like we're talking about a 600BST vs 720+ BST difference

[white meadow]

ultra necrozma will haev some sort of buff

[odd lake]

dusk mane

[alpine rune]

I forgot how much ultra necrozma has, lemme google

[odd lake]

necrozma

[lean hedge]

Wat if there is a triple with lunala solgaleo and necrozma

[prime dust]

atm there isn't

[odd lake]

Primal Necrozma

[marsh yew]

Reminder that Ultra Necrozma is an outright improvement over regular Necrozma by any measure beyond taking SE physical attacks

[prime dust]

no it'll be Necrozma...even further beyond

[alpine rune]

Bloody hell

[odd lake]

aghhh my eyes!!!

turn it off turn it offf!

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[marsh yew]

IIRC it has the same deal as Solgaleo and Lunala's abilities: They ignore anti-ability effects, so no Mold Breaker breaking it

[stoic canopy]

yeppp! got more stats then god

[cinder oasis]

Guh..

[marsh yew]

Then Complete Zygarde almost reaches god... by just becoming fat as fuck

And, of course, the Primals, the Mega Mewtwos, and Mega Rayquaza all throughly surpass god... and so does Eternamax, but that one doesn't quite count

[cinder oasis]

Mega ray is the most op pokemon of all time

[proud lion]

Thank goodness the words are normal again

[marsh yew]

Nope, that title still belongs to RGBY Mewtwo

[cinder oasis]

That's because of the situation, mega ray is the strongest pokemon of all time

[stoic canopy]

if there was a triple for necro, it should be necro,eternatus and zygarde. be a theme of otherness.

[marsh yew]

Gen I Mewtwo has the equivalent of a 744 BST, with a move that was pretty much 2 calm minds at once, which would double both of its base 154 stats.

[prime dust]

well one of those won't be in IF ever

[cinder oasis]

So mega ray is better

[stoic canopy]

oh i know

eternatus just kinda fits the theme the most.

[cinder oasis]

Eternatus just isn't even a pokemon at all

[prime dust]

don't go down that road...its leads to weird discussions/debates

a lot of pokemon aren't pokemon

[marsh yew]

Mega Ray's strenght was due to getting extra rules for itself; if it had a Mega Stone it'd be just a quite desireable Mega. Gen I Mewtwo just was broken as it was

[cinder oasis]

Gen 1 Mewtwo was broken because gen 1 was unbalanced

[stoic canopy]

^

[cinder oasis]

The thing is Mewtwo is like what UU or something, Mega Ray would still be AG if it got no changes and even then it would only fall to Ubers

[marsh yew]

Yeah, Normal was broken in Gen I

[marsh yew]

Mewtwo is still an Uber, what the hell are you talking about?

[cinder oasis]

Oh it is

[glossy osprey]

necrobama W

[marsh yew]

Reminder that Zapdos is closer to Raichu than to Mewtwo in terms of stat total

[stoic canopy]

...gross... what about there new froms?

[marsh yew]

Still the same stat totals

[stoic canopy]

...god why did they do the birds so drity?

[marsh yew]

They weren't done dirty, 580 is standard stat total for legendary trios

[rain gust]

Woaaaaaah

[cinder oasis]

What are you on?

[rain gust]

Necrozma

[cinder oasis]

580 is amazing bruh

[marsh yew]

standard legend, pseudolegend, mythical and box legend stat totals tend to go this way

[stoic canopy]

huh...maybe just seeing that mewtwo is 100 more is messing with my perspective on the stats

[cinder oasis]

And recently there's the paradox and Ultra beasts which aren't legendaries but have 580 ish bsts

[weak trellis]

box legends in a shelllnut

don't the paradoxes (er, most of them) have 570 or somethin since I recall doing a BST calc of the final bosses and scaarvy's got the highest because of that

[marsh yew]

Yeah, Paradoxes have 570 as a rule, but Roaring Moon/Iron Valiant and Walking Wake/Iron Leaves have 590

Ultra Beasts also have 570, like the Tapus and Silvally

(but Naganadel only has 540, like Gyarados or Snorlax)

Still, Ultra Beasts were flagged as legends until Gen IX

We got now new flags for Ultra Beasts and for Paradoxes

[dull adder]

[grand hull]

I’m not sure what to fuse with necrozma

I’m thinking of doing a self fusion

[finite reef]

Make an ultra necrozma custom sprite for necrozma/necrozma

[glass patio]

lmao

[stone cliff]

Or better yet, a normal Necrozma for Ultra Necrozma double

[glass patio]

take this into account

ultra necrozma is alr a fusion
therefore every ultra necrozma fusion is a triple fusion

[stone cliff]

Technically quadruple

[glass patio]

Why tho
Ultra necrozma with ultra necrozma?

[wide ridge]

necrozma has a lot to play with so keep it in mind, you got crystal themes, you got dragon themes, light for ultra, and skeleton themes to work with~

[stone cliff]

I thought ultra Necrozma was Necro + both legends

[glass patio]

Nope
How it works is that either dusk mane or dawn wings can turn into ultra necrozma

[stone cliff]

I never played Ultra Sun/Moon

[glass patio]

Ultra necrozma isn’t a triple fusion

Wait
If you need solgaleo/lunala for ultra necrozma, then solgaleo and lunala confirmed

[stone cliff]

Also I kinda wish we had Lunala/Cresselia/Lunatone so I could make a triple fusion that's just a jpg of the moon

[glass patio]

Lmao

[silent acorn]

We still light bois

Ultra necrozma

[glass patio]

Or else how do we get ultra necrozma

[silent acorn]

Huh, is the light change over?

So... Erm.... Why is the channel just named that now

[stone cliff]

Wait, I just had an idea. We have approximately half of the mons from gen 1-7, right? What if we made a separate version of Infinite Fusion that only had all the mons that aren't in?

[silent acorn]

Pokemon finite fission

[stone cliff]

[lyric zenith]

i think that to get Ultra necrozma, you need the Light prism no?

[glass patio]

ok so haven’t played us/um but im pretty sure that it’s when necrozma fuses with either solgaleo or lunala, in battle you can turn it into ultra necrozma

[lyric zenith]

makes sense, as necrozma "absorbs" they

[glass patio]

Meh, looks like necrozma head solgaleo/lunala body to me

Wait, so like those two have necrozma colours but then it also has that light with a color related to the pokemon

Ooh that would be sick for fusions like idk make necrozma bidoof have some brown light or something

Yes
We need fusions like that

maybe i could attempt but idk the design it could be hard

man the possibilities, why did i never think bout necrozma in IF

[prime dust]

probably because until the announcement of the poll, no mons could be added to the game

[glass patio]

No but like

I never thought bout necrozma’s possibilities even after the poll

[woeful root]

So we are getting ultra necrozma without dusk and dawn, how will that work?

[heavy bison]

[brisk vessel]

Yea it's Necrozma gg

[fiery blade]

It’s not even a Pokemon. ITS A INTERGALACTIC PLANETARY PLANETARY INTERGALACTIC

[cerulean tundra]

when are they fixing role colors 🤢

[heavy bison]

Never

[cerulean tundra]

i just wanna be blue

[heavy bison]

dabudidabudie

[rocky condor]

oh? On god?

No more role colors. Only piss names

[heavy bison]

On my momma

And my grandfather's grave

[stone cliff]

They should switch us to yellow for dawn mane and blue for dusk mane

[heavy bison]

And gold for Gucci Mane

[woven maple]

Okay so I was dead wrong with my predictions. Surprised we got Necrozma without Lunala or Solgaleo.

[finite thistle]

Yeah, it feels really wierd, especially with the Ultra form

[proud lion]

I brought Solgaleo at home

[glass dust]

is necrozma the last added pokemon

[stone cliff]

Now we need Necrozma/Crobat for Great Value Lunala

[glass dust]

woah my name is black now

[languid fox]

unfortunately it seems so

[stone cliff]

We still have the Spriter Poll line and the Contest Winner Raffle line

[languid fox]

wait really?

[stone cliff]

Yessir, 2 lines left

[languid fox]

how many are those supposed to be?

[stone cliff]

One line each

[languid fox]

i see

[glass dust]

still hoping for yveltal but we'll see

[stone cliff]

Not sure if legendaries are on the table for the contest winner raffle, but the Spriter Poll had no legendaries

They said they don't want to have to rush legendaries

[languid fox]

i was hoping castform would be added since i’ve been a castform fan since i was a young lad, but i think it’s safe to assume that’s out of the question now

[stone cliff]

Entirely possible that it gets in through the raffle, but I doubt it won the Spriter poll

[pine apex]

I find necrozma extremely underwhelming

[heavy bison]

https://tenor.com/view/black-panther-black-panther-black-panther-marvel-marvel-gif-25406660

[pine apex]

sorry

[stone cliff]

Yeah, no opinions here

[pine apex]

what's with the black roles

[stone cliff]

Part of the event, if you say Ultra Necrozma it turns yellow

Like this

Well, it needs to be a separate message to see it but you get the point lol

[woven maple]

Ultra Necrozma

[zealous flint]

You have been purified

[woven maple]

Oh fuck

[zealous flint]

Or lightified idk

I hope we get no legends/mythicals/ultra beasts for the raffle

Since we just got 4 of em

Update?

[hazy pine]

Ultra Necrozma

[zealous flint]

Mega necrozma

Wait what

Ive been returned to darkness wdf

[stone cliff]

I wanna make some sprites of some new mons but
A) I have a sprite in progress (Ampharos/Altaria) that i need to finish but clouds are hard,
B)I don't know what I wanna do and
C)No motivation

[cinder oasis]

Make the clouds like storm clouds

[stone cliff]

Might make a Regice/Electrode Ramiel honestly. Would be an easy one lol

[stone cliff]

Probably gonna do that as an alt

[alpine rune]

D) Ooh a shiny nickle

[stone cliff]

BG3 is my shiny nickle

[alpine rune]

Short attention span is a bitch huh

[stone cliff]

Yeah...

[zealous flint]

E) make a fusion of every starter in the game

[stone cliff]

Also looking at sprite completion, Sylveon is damn near done

[zealous flint]

Bulbasaur/charmander/squirtle/chikorita/cyndaquil/totodile/treecko/torchic/mudkip/turtwig/chimchar/piplup

Im writing this down actually

[stone cliff]

Huh, I guess we do only have up to gen 4 starters

[zealous flint]

we dont really need the rest tbh

I would only want the gen 5 trio for samurott, i dont want the gen 6 trio at all, but primarina and decidueye would be cool

[inland jewel]

the rest are going to be added due to popular demand., not now, but much later in the future most likely

[stone cliff]

I like Decidueye, Greninja and Delphox, but not enough to care too much lol

[inland jewel]

now that the last community mon has been revealed. Can we please get the poll percentages, I want to see how close my favorite pokemon came to not making it

[zealous flint]

durant

[stone cliff]

Would have been interesting if they had a separate vote for each starter and made a L:A-esque custom trio of the most popular of each type

[zealous flint]

It wouldnt make much sense to do that, if they add one, might as well add the rest of the trio

[stone cliff]

I know, but it would have been interesting lol

[zealous flint]

Yuh

[quasi cave]

chances for Rockruff seem to be dwindling T_T

[stone cliff]

Honestly I feel like it's got decent chances of winning the Spriter Poll or at least being entered into the Contest Winner Raffle

[white meadow]

Ok, who made the Ultra Necrozma sprite? I want to give them their praise

[zealous flint]

Me it wasnt me

[arctic sorrel]

So, about the Region Starters from the poll

[zealous flint]

The who of the what now

[stone cliff]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

They weren't an option in the Spriter poll, and I don't think they're gonna be an option for the Contest Winner Raffle

[glass patio]

Who knows, there’s the spriter’s choice poll

[stone cliff]

I still feel like it would be hilarious if we got one of the three elemental monkeys

[quasi cave]

here's to hoping...I just want my second favorite pokemon T_T

[glass patio]

idk i want pokemon infinite triple fusions

[inland jewel]

the funny thing about winners raffle, is that you can submit any pokemon line not in the game yet (from gens 1-7) and it doesn't stop people from submitting the same mon (my speculation)

so theoretically, the past contest winners could all have submitted the same mon

and still be beaten by the one person who put in simisear

[glass patio]

Gens 3-7 cause all gen 1-2 are alr in the game

[stone cliff]

What do you mean? I haven't seen Pikablu in yet

[tidal perch]

Yea boiii it is here

[quasi cave]

if you mean the marril line, it's there

[tidal perch]

Ultra Necrozma

[glass patio]

beuh

[tidal perch]

Is here

[glass patio]

I haven’t seen missingno too, fair point

[stone cliff]

Nah he's still under the truck, trust me

[stone cliff]

I think one of the Porygon fusions is missingno

[inland jewel]

i found a mist stone under the truck though

not the mew i was promised 😡

[glass patio]

Porygon-z
That’s like the glitch pokemon

[stone cliff]

You have to use strength on the truck before beating Brock trust me my dad works at Nintendo

[quasi cave]

but.....this wasn't made by nintendo

[inland jewel]

you're right, its made by Frogtendo

[stone cliff]

My dad works for Frogtendo

[quasi cave]

busy dad

[stone cliff]

Two jobs, you know how it is

[quasi cave]

true true

[stone cliff]

Great minds etc etc

[quasi cave]

they should do a triple fusion for porygon, porygon2 and porygonZ and make it the missingNo

[stone cliff]

Found it, someone made the double Porygon-Z a missingno

[sage lynx]

Ok, now I am happy lol Lunala and Solgaleo arent in it but my boy Necrozma is

[mystic kernel]

I feel like i should be suprised, but not really. Necrozma is cool tho :D

wait what is this role

[sage lynx]

I mean.. it's a pokemon that fuses with others, I was honestly gonna be so surprised and dissapointed if it wasnt in lol

[stone cliff]

Say Ultra Necrozma

[mystic kernel]

Ultra necrozma :O

thats cool, but is it permanent?

[sage lynx]

PLUS ULTRA Necrozma

[stone cliff]

Nah I'm sure they'll reverse it sooner rather than later

[mystic kernel]

there are still mons picked from the competitions right? i think theres like 3 left?

[sage lynx]

I legit havent been counting lol

[hushed mantle]

We got necrozma, but not solgaleo and lunala?

[sage lynx]

we kinda got them... with ultra necrozma

they are there, in spirit

[hushed mantle]

Why am i black?

[sage lynx]

say Ultra Necrozma

[hushed mantle]

Ultra Necrozma

Lol

[sage lynx]

You know what would be funny? if enough people say it and this unlocks solgaleo and lunala

[zealous flint]

and cosmoem sadly

[inland jewel]

one from Spriter poll (results are basically done already since poll ended 2 weeks ago)
One for winners raffle (which is still ongoing since trevanent contest + Necrozma contest)

whats most likely going to happen is next week they reveal Spriter's poll. and the week after they reveal winner's raffle

[mystic kernel]

ah, thanks. Is the trevenant contest seperate from the necrozm one? so there's 4 left?

[zealous flint]

Im going to do this sometime soon

[ebon glacier]

ultra necrozma

[zealous flint]

Bulbamandsquirtoritaquildileckochickipwigcharplup

[arctic sorrel]

Ultra Necrozma

[zealous flint]

Mega necrozma

Gigantamax necrozma

Terastalized necrozma

[arctic sorrel]

Any Necrozma fusions that works well as an Antimatter Legion reference?

[white meadow]

They added necrozma!!!!!! When is solgaleo being added?!?!?!?!?

IM A HUGE POKEMON SUN FAN

[stone cliff]

Who wants to tell him?

[white meadow]

What.... wait... what's going on?

[stone cliff]

Good chance that Solgaleo isn't an option

Unless he's a bonus, or they allow legendaries in the winner raffle

[proud lion]

Unless the sprite poll choices choose Solgaleo’s line, you may want to wait for them within a year or so

[stone cliff]

Spriter Poll didn't have legendaries though, right?

[proud lion]

Not the recent one I believe

[white meadow]

Thos is why stopped playing this game after a week, I love the Sun and Moon Legendaries because, I would die on my hill with this btw, they were the most interesting Legendaries that even came with their own evolution line and had a cool build up

[proud lion]

Maybe if we are lucky, they could be shadow dropped

[tidal perch]

Ultra Necrozma
https://youtu.be/xlV6Y7CKce0?si=ZwaT49UOfNA89UKn

[white meadow]

Ummmm....

[tidal perch]

#announcements #event-announcements

[cinder oasis]

This video is..

Kinda mid

[tidal perch]

I like it, and welp, goes well with the situation lol

[cinder oasis]

I would never listen to this song ever

[wintry imp]

That sounds like a you problem mate

[stone cliff]

What's y'all's favorite gen for music?

[glass patio]

Gen 5 def

[cinder oasis]

Gen 5 is the goat

[sterile verge]

Gen 5 had such good music even the "low on hp" sound effect was a bop

[orchid elk]

Intentionally throwing just to start vibing

[frozen finch]

Ultra Necrozma is suuuuuus

I am yellow now

[heavy bison]

Yes

[brazen island]

What was all the hub-ub about

[alpine rune]

Welcome to hell

[brazen island]

This isn't hell I've been there. And they have ironic taste in decorations

[alpine rune]

well youre not in the deepest layer, you mustve done something very horrible to be able to visit that place

[brazen island]

Yeah I used to use Limewire to download things

[graceful torrent]

They got super necrozma in this game now?

[alpine rune]

no

We only got necrozma and white necrozma

[pure flower]

Basically. Ultra Necrozma is an alternative form with likely unique stats

Though, still curious if they plan on making it able to go into ultra form while in a fusion, changing the sprite

If they do, that could be fun spritework potential

[brazen island]

Would have to be with Arceus or eventually the Sun/Moon duo right?

[acoustic vessel]

Wait can we fuse ultra necrozma with other pokemons too?

[pure flower]

Yes

Necrozma is given 140 and Ultra Necrozma is given 140_1

[final spire]

WE NEED SEEDOT

[pure flower]

Not really.

The sun/moon duo aren't being added. So the Ultra Necrozma transformation will probably be fairly different than usual

But. Yeah. Ultra Necrozma is neat potential wise

[brisk vessel]

Its a shame we didn't get any mythicals

[alpine rune]

*pats back

me too lazy to finish this lol

[brisk vessel]

I hope the raffle allows for mythicals :clueless:

[remote ibex]

confirmed

necozma is here

whats with the light yellow role thats new?

[pure flower]

Basically Ultra Necrozma

[gentle ferry]

Nice reveal. Can’t be disappointed personally honestly, there are gonna be a lot of cool fusions from it.

Still none of my top 4 though, meaning that I’m relying on the spriter vote pick, Trevenant rush, or contest winner raffle. Really hoping for at least one of em.

[pure flower]

Necrozma can apparently ultra burst into Ultra Necrozma even while in a fusion

[remote ibex]

damm

whats this dawg

[silk narwhal]

YEEEESSS NECROZMA TIME YEEAAHHH

[remote ibex]

theres a black variant of this role too was it some voting thing

[stone cliff]

Say Necrozma or ultra Necrozma

[remote ibex]

Necrozma

Damm im bla-( this is a joke)

[pure flower]

Ultra Necrozma makes the name brighter

[silk narwhal]

I'm not saying much but i swear I'm happy
It's just that i woke up literally 5 minutes ago

[remote ibex]

it looks washed out

[pure flower]

Yeah. I think it's meant to resemble ultra necrozma's colors

[remote ibex]

is this the finalr eveal or is the spriter reveal left

[rocky condor]

Bruxish never got in and i'm happy for that. Rip bruxbozos

[remote ibex]

my british parliment fusion

https://tenor.com/9G7X.gif

[pure flower]

So basically. Necrozma has to hold it's Z item to gain the option to Ultra Burst while in a fusion or on its own

You don't get to use Ultra Necrozma as a base, apparently

[silk narwhal]

Alright but it still gets sprites

[woven maple]

Imagine something similar for Aegislash

[pure flower]

Yup. It's actually fairly unique all things considered

No fusion has a sprite that changes mid fight in IF.

[silk narwhal]

My boy necrozma deserves it

[white meadow]

NICE.

Golisopod still has a chance with the spriter votes etc., but I'm glad Necrozma and Scolipede got in.

[flat herald]

ultra necrozma pog moment

[primal musk]

Pog

[green yew]

So Necrozma and Ultra Necrozma are two separate 'mon, if I'm reading this correctly?

[stone cliff]

Honestly, the way they numbered it I'm not sure how it works

[hollow quest]

more like a battle form

[green yew]

Wait, when did I get a role?

What is this role even?

[hollow quest]

the light.

[green yew]

Ah, how does it work in regards with fusions then, or is it possible to request an extra form for the fusions?

[hollow quest]

idk

[green yew]

https://yugioh.fandom.com/wiki/The_Light_of_Destruction

[hollow quest]

it's just the most likely case

[green yew]

I couldn't resist.

[stone cliff]

Would be interesting if they gave Aegislash its forms, and people had to make another 800+ sprites for it lmao

[lost palm]

Necrozma yooo

[inland jewel]

2 chances left, spriter vote and winners raffle

[inland jewel]

spheal never got him, and im happy about that,

happy for spheal army though, we had fun times

[toxic flame]

Nice

Necrozma

[verbal ridge]

Ok, that is a really nice mechanic for Necrozma.
I had my doubts, but I was not disappointed.
This poll (and the staff picks too) has/have added so many interesting gameplay options for the base game.

[tranquil path]

Im satisfied with this lineup of new mons

[cyan hare]

Bro I almost got all my main picks except minior

Im very satisfied

[cyan hare]

Also didnt see anyone dissatisfied with necrozma

[white meadow]

you should have seen that guy 9 hours ago

[cerulean zenith]

I love looking back at this chat around the time the mon was revealed to see how people reacted lmao

Also NECROZMA LETS GOOO

[lusty oxide]

At least the channel names are back to normal…

Oh yeah uhm ultra necrozma?

[marble meadow]

is nice

[lofty spindle]

I want this to end...

[lusty oxide]

Same tbh

[bold atlas]

5.4 (or 5.3.2?) is gonna be crazy

[clever atlas]

So what do you think, are there gonna be more reveals?

[bold atlas]

night be one more staff pick idk, but not expecting

wait how'd I get Super Darkness?

[clever atlas]

Idk

[bold atlas]

is it bc I noticed Frog having it

ok no nvm

think they just changed the necrozma colour to that and haven't shifted some colours back yet

[clever atlas]

Also, no lycanroc

[lusty oxide]

Also no leavanny

And no lilligant

[bitter rivet]

yoooo necrozma let's gooo

however how does ultra necrozma work exactly ? is it just a sprite thing on the same pokemon ?

[plain geode]

we may have necrozma but we loose the N S G trio, RIP Golisopod forever be in our heart 😢

[urban flax]

I kind of am but it makes sense for how popular it is, I just think people have bad taste. It looks really ugly imo

[gloomy nebula]

Altaria is my favorite thats heckin pog

[gloomy nebula]

😦 dang tho

[alpine rune]

wait

since necrozma's pokedex number is 450 and ultra necrozma's 450_1, cant we make the oricorio sprites be 430_1-4?

[urban flax]

Arent they?

Or maybe its different because theyre obtainable out of battle

[alpine rune]

hmmm true

[stone cliff]

eyyy

[gusty shuttle]

:(

[alpine rune]

Dementia kicks in

Nevermind, it just changed

[stone cliff]

What do you mean lol

[clever atlas]

I don't really have much strong feelings about Necrozma
I don't love it, i don't hate it, it's pretty meh for me

[gusty shuttle]

[remote ibex]

he was leaked we got over it

[wintry imp]

My opinion: Good, great even, but I feel like he should have come with Solgaleo and Lunala - they're canon fusions, for goodness sakes

[alpine rune]

to be fair, necrozma isnt a cookie cutter, its very flexible

it is known to fuse with two other mons after all

[white meadow]

wym im pretty sure necrozma could totally cut cookies

[alpine rune]

chi yu

[wintry imp]

He'd just burn them

[white meadow]

So there are only two more planned reveals left : the contest winner's raffle pick and the spriter's choice poll result

There's still hope for golisopod

[clever atlas]

And lycanroc

Those two would be a great way to finish off the reveals

[sharp nebula]

meloetta as the raffle pick is the only way

[robust geyser]

Shame that it's dead for Xernéas and Yveltal 😢

[brisk vessel]

I hope they allow mythicals for the raffle pick

[sharp nebula]

i asked last night but le frog never replied, sad day

[mighty fulcrum]

BRUH xish will win

[short raft]

wait so is ultra necrozma gonna be a form change in battle or will it just be able to be fused as like 450_1.x etc

[gray shadow]

probably in Battle. thats how it works in USUM

[short raft]

yeah but you never know with PIF

also that means it requires a z-crystal

[glass patio]

also in the games you need dusk mane or dawn wings necrozma to get ultra necrozma

[wintry imp]

True

[brisk vessel]

The workaround here apparently is you only need to have a Fused Necrozma for it to work

[glass patio]

oh really
how would that work

[wintry imp]

So you can't have Ultra Necrozma on it's own?

Lmao the colour change in the middle of posting that

[glass patio]

Yeah cause you said ultra necrozma
That changes color

[brisk vessel]

Yea you need to Ultra Burst using any Necrozma fusion to get the Ultra form

You can't get U-Necro as a base mon

[sterile spoke]

[glass patio]

Wait so ultra necrozma will be something mid-battle?
Yoo that’s cool

[brisk vessel]

Yea

[brisk vessel]

Update the pin 😁

[glass patio]

Nice, I didn’t think they would actually do it like in us/um and they would do something different, happy they did that

[sterile spoke]

I don't want to because then I have to acknowledge that Necrozma is in.

Awful, awful choice. 😢

[brisk vessel]

You haven't added the Regis either

[glass patio]

beuh

[gusty shuttle]

Yea

[sterile spoke]

I have though. 😛

[brisk vessel]

Nvm i was reading the wrong message

Still
Update the pin 😁

[gusty shuttle]

Nooo

[glass patio]

i never thought how cool necrozma would be in infinite fusion
first i thought of the fusion potential
and now there’s ultra burst?

[sterile spoke]

Here's my anti-Necrozma stattement as to why it's a redundant fusion candidate: 😛

Almost entirely black palette: Zekrom
Ultra's almost entirely white palette: Reshiram
Fuses with other Legendaries to create new forms: Kyurem
Blocky shapes: Porygon
Prismatic/glassy elements: Chandelure and now especially Sableye and Regice
Mono-Psychic: Alakazam, Hypno and Espeon
Prism Armour: Filter and Solid Rock

[lofty spindle]

What do we have for its futuristic cyber-armor look?

[mystic crystal]

I'm not a fan of necrozma either, but I figured it was kinda inevitable after the whole playtest datamine so i've had time to brace myself for this reveal

[sterile spoke]

Nobody I've seen has really utilised Necrozma in such a way. 😢

Most Necrozma fusions I've seen have been more comparable to Zebstrika. 😦

[brisk vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167783464435732531/1167783465073250405/450.151.png?ex=654f621a&is=653ced1a&hm=15ddefd9cfacd0bdd534609aabfc2830215baebb71afd53532579d953187db42&

[gusty shuttle]

This doesn't make sense to me at all but I'll agree anyway to add to the Necrozma hate

[sterile spoke]

The palette's wacky to the extreme.

Though that is the best Necrozma fusion I've seen thus far. 🙂

[brisk vessel]

Its based on Dusk Mane/Dawn Wings

[sterile spoke]

I still don't find it particularly exciting, though. 😅

[sterile spoke]

They're not in the game. 😛

[glass patio]

what still makes me sad tho
we’re very likely to not get minior…

why

[sterile spoke]

Yet.

[glass patio]

MINIOR WHY

[short raft]

wait so would necrozma just get the ultra stats on fuse? so you cant actually get ultra necrozma by itself or?

[white meadow]

And still all fusions we see are hella diffrent to all other mons

[brisk vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167660129299202068/1167660129911586896/necroztomb.png?ex=654eef3d&is=653c7a3d&hm=f96d32870ab536836202d9009a1a72bdf5716c19d538849546e9b3e349043de6&

[glass patio]

no like i suppose that necrozma just has regular stats when fused but they change when activating ultra burst

[sterile spoke]

I've mistaken three separate Necrozma fusions for Zebstrika ones.

[short raft]

oh thats fair

[sterile spoke]

Also, it's another Dragon-type. 😛

[lofty spindle]

It isn't, actually.

[brisk vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167641870709571584/1167641870873141308/450.295.png?ex=654ede3b&is=653c693b&hm=dba503066184ab1a8a0eda174a11dbaf76425f5e828bd5ca99a35ec71b7515b9&

[white meadow]

Show them

[glass patio]

lemme alone blaquaza, this is the closest i have to megas in IF

[lofty spindle]

Regular form is pure psychic.

[white meadow]

Sorry for ping accidant

[glass patio]

I love that

[short raft]

that spiritomb is super cool

[sterile spoke]

Ultra is.

[lofty spindle]

How is that for fusions, actually?

[glass patio]

we should just make ultra necrozma fusions just the mega form of pokemon lmao

[sterile spoke]

I don't find this one all that exciting. 😅

[lofty spindle]

Considering what we are told for how Ultra works, how does that go?

[sterile spoke]

Let me be salty, I'm really unhappy with this addition. 😦

[glass patio]

or gmax too idk

[sharp nebula]

i get to be disappointed with the regis, so you can be disappointed too

[lofty spindle]

Honestly were it not for yesterday (and we are still stuck with the role bs), I'd be fine with its inclusion.

[white meadow]

Atleast try to work with it before judgeing

[brisk vessel]

What about the ultra one 😁

[sterile spoke]

I like that one. 🙂

[lofty spindle]

Actually Blaq, as a mod, can you remove the role from me?

[sterile spoke]

I don't want to work with it. That's part of the problem. 😅

[glass patio]

im just disappointed bout my boi

he doesn’t have a chance anymore

[white meadow]

In the beginning I disliked some mons too until I gave them a chance

[brisk vessel]

If a Necrozma fusion is holding Necrozmium, it will change to the Ultra version of that fusion

[lofty spindle]

Only for the near actually.

Eventually, we will all be here.

[glass patio]

minior you’re beautiful bro

[sterile spoke]

I won't be changing my mind on Necrozma, I can assure you. 😛

[sterile spoke]

Someone could have picked it as a bonus candidate for the raffle, potentially. 😄

[lofty spindle]

I do not mean to press, but...

[brisk vessel]

Are mythicals allowed in the raffle

[glass patio]

hmm

[plain geode]

golisopod is now in the graveyard with all the other

[sterile spoke]

I don't know what role you want removing. 😛

[brisk vessel]

I think they mean the pee role

[white meadow]

considering the fact that they mentioned "no last moment legis" i don't think so

[glass patio]

peecrozma?

[brisk vessel]

Yea

"Legends" 😁

They never said anything about mythicals (who wouldn't need as much of an event)

[lofty spindle]

Blaq, as someone who sympathizes with your emotions about the inclusion, let's not mess with each other...
I screamed enough yesterday, if the answer is no then let it be so.

[glass patio]

meh i guess the way ultra necrozma is gonna work means we can’t just use a regular necrozma that ultra bursts into regular ultra necrozma
but really, who’s gonna do that? this game’s point is just bout fusing, everyone is gonna fuse necrozma

[lofty spindle]

Well I guess this does at least mean you can have one that does not use the Dragon-type.

[glass patio]

yep
wait whar would that be the head or the body

[lofty spindle]

I think the body would give dragon?

[glass patio]

Hold up

Well dragon is the secondary type so ig

[glacial depot]

When do all of these new Pokemon release in the game?

[glass patio]

and that makes it better cause idk i feel pokemon that are glowing like ultra necrozma are really cool

[glass patio]

Idk

[glacial depot]

Well damn

[glass patio]

Meh, someone could prove me wrong but I feel like necrozma head fusions are going to be the better ones design-wise
again, someone could prove me wrong

[robust geyser]

very cool

[thorny ferry]

I just need bruxish for this to be a reality

[surreal chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/gary-there-i-am-spongebob-spongebob-commerical-gif-22318667

[white meadow]

🤩🤩🤩🤩

[surreal chasm]

Yeah but they're official examples of what Necrozma fusions look like

They're just what Necrozma/Solgaleo and Necrozma/Lunala look like

[glass patio]

facts

[surreal chasm]

Necrozma latches on Pokemon to steal their light force

[glass patio]

so pokemon that don’t have light will just be black necrozma fusions? lmao

[violet pawn]

tf is a light force

[glass patio]

where is it going to get the light force from darkrai

simple, it doesn’t

[surreal chasm]

Idk that's what the pokedex says

Maybe it's the same as Infinity energy

[violet pawn]

👍

[glass patio]

i dont think it can get light force from most dark type pokemon
i say most cause idk umbreon glows

[lofty spindle]

I wonder if its alt form automatically gets neuroforce.

Also how did that with the form change work now?

[glass patio]

Wdym

ive been told it’s mid battle and works like in US/UM

[lofty spindle]

Was it not via item there, in some way?

[glass patio]

that z crystal thing ig

[lofty spindle]

Would that mean mega evos?

[autumn radish]

necrozma
Welp, can't say i'm surprised.

[simple gulch]

what about light and reflection?

[autumn radish]

Oh well, at least Froslass, the Regis and Goodra made it in.
Really wished Lurantis would have joined, but i guess that's for another time... Hopefully.

[wintry imp]

Mood

[autumn radish]

I do hope that one day, we'll get some more pokemon.

[silent acorn]

Hello Rick welcome you happy yet?

[lofty spindle]

It did sound like we will, but likely not until next year, I'd wager.
Maybe a christmas miracle.

[woven maple]

Just noticed fusion bot is having trouble with Ultra Necrozma's 450_1 indexing

[mild sedge]

and Necrozma DOESNT come with a side dish of Solgaleo and lunala!

[woven maple]

Honestly really weird

[silk narwhal]

I am so fucking happy

[woven maple]

Like we just got the original three regis so that regigigas didn't stand alone, and now they're giving us only the third member of the trio?

[marble meadow]

terminal montage alt potential

[woven maple]

Unless they end up as bonus picks

[silk narwhal]

Holy shit yes

Anyways i don't like the black name, so
Ultra Necrozma

[woven maple]

Thinking about it, if Necrozma turns into Ultra Necrozma in battle and you can't have Ultra Necrozma itself in your party, does that mean it's impossible to get a Necrozma/Ultra Necrozma fusion? Since both Necrozma's would necessarily transform at the same time?

[silk narwhal]

Ultra necrozma

[wintry imp]

Necrcrozma

[prime dust]

we don't know how it is going to be handled

[silk narwhal]

Yeah i think so

[woven maple]

@ staff requesting confirmation pls

[prime dust]

we will find out when the big updoot happens, if they have to change it so he's like Ori, where there's an interaction that changes him outside battle; they will...if they find a way so it can change in battle, then great

[sand mica]

Can Skuntank be confirmed?

[prime dust]

no, and stop asking

[sand mica]

No, I will not stop asking.

[mild sedge]

yo rick

we did it

[silk narwhal]

Hell yeah man

[mild sedge]

imagine how goofy necrozma/mimikyu Is gonna look lol

[silk narwhal]

It's sad how i missed the entirety of the event tho

[mild sedge]

true

[hidden anvil]

I hope vikavolt gets in

[mild sedge]

vikavolts cool

but HEY! we didn’t get Bruxish!

[silk narwhal]

Meloetta

[sand mica]

But stuff like Guzzlord and Skuntank and Grumpig need to get in.

[silk narwhal]

Silence.

[sharp nebula]

we're still not sure if legends and mythicals are excluded from the raffle so there might still be a small chance

[bitter rivet]

Tbf didn't they say there is a shot we might get more in the future ? When they took off the starters from the poll iirc

[prime dust]

yes, but we don't know when...or even if, that will happen

[bitter rivet]

For what it's worth that's an improvement compared to before when we believed there would never be any new pokemon

[inland jewel]

Definitely not going to happen this year, but maybe same time next year?

[sharp nebula]

i mean theres no limit to the number of pokemon any more so id say its quite likely, theyre just staggering it to allow time for sprites to be made

[woven maple]

I don't know if it was confirmed that there was no limit, just that we haven't hit it yet

[inland jewel]

Frogman himself said the biggest factor is time, since he is doing all the programming in his free time between jobs, family and friends, and other obligations etc

[sharp nebula]

no it was, le frog said it here a while ago

[woven maple]

Link?

[silk narwhal]

There is a limit, which is about 170.000 unique pokemon lmao

[bitter rivet]

That's huge if it's true, it means all those polls are only about who gets added first

[sharp nebula]

cba to find it, someone probably has a screenshot of it tho

[inland jewel]

Looking up what Frogman says in this chat is the easiest

[sand mica]

Wrong, they upgraded the engine to not load all the data at once. As a result, more unique Pokémon can be added.

[silk narwhal]

That's exactly what i said

Unique pokemon means not fused bruh

[inland jewel]

He updated the engine to load 463 entries instead of 176000, and then fusions are dynamically put together when shown

[bitter rivet]

So it's 170k additionnal pokemon

[rocky cargo]

Still have to figure now though each new Pokémon is another 450+ unique ones being added at the end of the day so it adds up fast

[inland jewel]

So now we are using only 463 out of 176000 slots

[silk narwhal]

Roughly, yeah

[bitter rivet]

Isn't it exponential though ? Although that might be enough to slot everything up to gen 7

[white meadow]

can't wait for gen 143 to be added fr

[woven maple]

Quadratic

[sand mica]

I don't remember him saying it was limited still... I thought he meant the data base loading was fully dynamic and thus wouldn't run into the same issue unless 9999 Pokémon were added, for example.

[inland jewel]

The engine can handle 9999 extra Pokémon

It can’t handle 999999 extra Pokémon

[bitter rivet]

I mean, we know we're not getting anything from gen8 and later, so that puts a limit either way
Unless this might also change later ?

[inland jewel]

Not unless someone wants to reverse translate essentials code back to V18

[woven maple]

There're also some more practical soft limits; you need to get realistic places for them to be encountered without crowding out routes; you would ideally have a decent selection of custom sprites for each addition, etc.

[inland jewel]

And then. Translate that into Frogman code.

[agile olive]

but remember each mon added adds the current number of mons squared of additional combos, which adds more onto the previous ones too

[silk narwhal]

With 450 pokemon, the dex has 450^2=202250 entries

[woven maple]

New engine changes that allowed these new additions sidestepped this problem

[inland jewel]

To be fair, before hand Frogman would just pump out Pokémon in an update and they’d be released with no custom sprites

This is the first time that we’ve been able to make sprites BEFORE they showed up in game

[rocky cargo]

Would it be more realistic and feasible to just add a way to go to another region and have more varied encounters spread out like add gen 3 region or gen 4 region

[bitter rivet]

Didn't they say that we were at the map size limit ?

[agile olive]

yeah no more maps

[silk narwhal]

No, the map limit was reached basically

[inland jewel]

Map limit is reached, unless they cut down on nonessential buildings we won’t get more regions

[rocky cargo]

Idk I’m not a veteran here so wasn’t sure

[bitter rivet]

But really I think we're not lacking space ? Like, doesn't johto have a lot of repeat encounters with kanto ?

[inland jewel]

Like if they limit all cities to gyms, important buildings, and poke center (merging poke mart) then they can maybe add a new region

[prime dust]

i think its 170K ontop of the already existing 170K

[bitter rivet]

Yeah it is

[agile olive]

I wonder whether like all the houses can be added to the same map, but I feel like frog probably already did this

[inland jewel]

Each house is its own separate map

When your screen fades to black, that’s a map change

Or if a new route thing shows up

[woven maple]

A pretty common discussion has been people saying they might want to make a fan version of Infinite Fusion that takes place in Hoenn or Sinnoh or Unova or something such that it's a different game and we don't have to worry about map limits, but nobody's actually doing it because it'd be a lot of work

[inland jewel]

Now we haven’t absolutely hit the limit on maps but I’m sure he is saving them for mythical and legendary events when he adds them

[prime dust]

I mean there are some houses that don't have uses that could maybe be culled, but it wouldn't be enough for a new region

[woven maple]

I feel like if map space does open up, finishing Johto is gonna be a higher priority than adding other regions

[prime dust]

eh...we can live without those 2 cities

[inland jewel]

5 attempts iirc, 4 failed. 1 who is no contact but frogman and others assure us it’s still happening and making progress

[bitter rivet]

However
From what I understand
There IS enough room for additionnal routes areas (such as secret garden)

[inland jewel]

Frogman complained that even if added they offer nothing new besides the gym, so we know that evens gyms arent necessary to add a city

[bitter rivet]

Might be later no ? For a while IF barely had any custom story events

[inland jewel]

I meant adding the two Johto cities, and for the remaining maps, I’m sure he is using them for extra legend events

Gotta make getting big dark prism guy extra special, and the regis

[prime dust]

we can live without the 2 other Johto cities if push comes to shove

[bitter rivet]

Oh ok
Also in case more legendaries get added later

[inland jewel]

He actually set precedent that we can cull entire cities if it’s just their gym they’re offing

[prime dust]

lol

[bitter rivet]

(Ngl I badly wanted xerneas and yveltal in)

[woven maple]

Where do we think Regis will go? Event implies Water Labyrinth same as Regigigas, but will they be only catchable after Regigigas? A prereq before? Completely unrelated?

[inland jewel]

Next year most likely, next year

The water labyrinth is sort of Regirock area so he might add a cave at the end of treasure beach

[viscid mica]

one: WOO NECROZMA
two: Golisopod 😭

[woven maple]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-animals-dog-shook-scared-eyes-gif-12642716

[viscid mica]

wha, wtf is this role

[bitter rivet]

They might add events to already existing areas

[woven maple]

Citizen of Pewter city watching Frogman about to wipe out their city for being boring.

[silk narwhal]

I still think Toad should let other people help the development of the game or even a sequel

[woven maple]

I mean there is apparently a sequel project being made by other people

I assume Toad wants to keep the codebase something entirely understandable by themselves, so adding another person might work out bad

[silk narwhal]

Whose development is basically a secret group

[bitter rivet]

Doesn't golisopod still has a shot of being in ? From the sprite blitz

[woven maple]

Alternatively: Abomasnow

[lofty spindle]

Besides Trevenant, do we know of any other Pokémon that are swapping around their typing?

[prime dust]

of the newbies?

I know some people want to swap Amura/Aororus typing around

[sand mica]

So it isn't okay for me to say Skuntank should be added but Bruxish is a okay?

[prime dust]

but beyond that, nothing set in stone

[silk narwhal]

Neither are okay

[glass patio]

Idk but they should swap around palossand’s typing

[sand mica]

I don't hear you complaining about Bruxish though...

[lofty spindle]

Was actually thinking about that exactly, since this way its sandy colors would come with the groundt-type.

[glass patio]

Yeah I know would make sense
Also I saw someone say that before

[silk narwhal]

I complained about it for weeks

Anyways stay tuned for a bunch of necrozma fusions in the future

By me obv

[lofty spindle]

Speaking of fusions with it, do you think the helmet look from the canon fusion involving it is fine even with it as a body instead of the head?

[glass patio]

gosh can’t wait for necrozma to come i want “megas” ahhhhh

[prime dust]

prep a viable argument, and then when they get added to the game, pop said argument into #game-suggestions if their typing isn't swapped already

[glass patio]

wait can’t i just do that already

[prime dust]

I mean you can if you want...but given they aren't in the game yet, the suggestion might get mini forgotten about

i think that is why there isn't one in there already about Amura and Aororus

[glass patio]

That makes sense to me

[prime dust]

despite the fact I've seen people in this chat talk about shifting the typings around for those 2

[lofty spindle]

Though I will say, in the case of Amorus it would mean both its Boomburst combos would be dragon-type.

[prime dust]

huh

[glass patio]

when is the name thing ending

[prime dust]

name thing?

[lofty spindle]

The constant black or white...

[prime dust]

prob after the event is done

[lofty spindle]

Isn't it?

[prime dust]

and by that I mean the contest

which is 4 days from now according to #event-announcements

[lofty spindle]

I will not deal with this for 4 more days.

Especially considering most roles have already been fixed.

[prime dust]

suffer

or just don't pay attention to the discord for those days

[lofty spindle]

Please quit joking about it.

I despise stuff like this, I have... an emotional trigger for it, ok?
It's embarassing..

[prime dust]

ok...then as I just said, don't pay attention to the discord for a few days

[lofty spindle]

How would I then get the news for the game?

[prime dust]

I assume you have it so you'll see any relavent pokes that might happen via announcements even if the server is muted

or if someone directly decides to ping you

if not, tweak that and then go hang out in a different discord

[lofty spindle]

I would also like to use the functions of the server like the additons in the sprite gallery.

[prime dust]

its a few days

its not like the server is gonna up and vanish
you either need to deal with what is going on [despite your own personal stuff you may feel about what is going on], or you need to not deal with it and pretend the server doesn't exist at least until the contest is over

beyond that, I don't know what to tell you

[lofty spindle]

I guess I should do as I said and contact Frog about it...

[silk narwhal]

Or just ignore it, i don't see the problem tbh

It's just yellow and black names

[glass patio]

Lmao

[feral bear]

If yellow and black names trigger you, you need to do some emotional work, and i say that with absolute love and concern

Because that's really no way to live your life, you deserve better for yourself

And understand that frogman is not going to change this fun thing for just you, because you cant control your reaction to something so harmless

[onyx bluff]

Oof the black names are rough on the eyeballs with darkmode on

Just noticed mine blends right in with it. Lmao

[odd current]

I'm sorry that everyone's being casually ableist towards you about this. I've heard of someone who had emojis as a major trigger.

[white meadow]

Heyyy rick
Did you start any necrozmas already?

[inland jewel]

to be fair, news of the game has been a weekly basis, so since we already got the news for this week, its safe to say nothing new will happen to next week

also it only triggers if you say Necrozma, just avoid saying that name nad you G

[glossy osprey]

you know who else is yellow and black

https://tenor.com/view/prowler-guzzlord-ultra-beast-gif-9339669787675322392

[sterile verge]

Working on a Porygon-Z/Necrozma and Porygon-Z/Ultra Necrozma atm

Glitch effects are hard 🥲

[sand mica]

They should be added.

[sterile verge]

The Spriter's poll, it hungers for the star candy shaped Pokemon

(Hopefully)

[prisma willow]

We all knew it was Necrozoma. Even then, a big o7 for all the mons that didn't make the cut.

[white meadow]

Do we know what types the new pokemon are going to pass on to fusions when they're head/body?

[prime dust]

some of them we do thanks to the playtest

but not all of them; anything after Trubbish/Gardordor is a ?

[white meadow]

though i think for some of them, it's probably a bit easier

main reason i'm asking for the types to be passed on, is because i'm thinking of my next team, and i gotta know the types to try not to overlap any

[prime dust]

I mean we will be lucky to get the update before the end of the year

so I think you probably have time to do some more runs before they get added in

[white meadow]

since glalie is pure ice, if it's fused with nidoking, it would have the same typing as glaceon/nidoking blah blah blah, ice/groundd

[silk narwhal]

Not yet but i will soon

[wild path]

Somehow I picture necrozma and cubone as pyramid heead refeerence

[final spire]

i need seedot

[old kayak]

Gen 7 mon for the win

[autumn radish]

Well, tecnically Lurantis is a Gen 7 mon... So yeh.
Meowstic's also alright, even thought is a Gen 6 mon.

[mighty fulcrum]

wait wait shiftry and ludicolo not in the game yet

gen 3> all

[autumn radish]

My guess is that they didn't manage to get enough votes.
I do hope that in the future, when there's going to be another vote, they may win.

[ruby breach]

i wonder if they actually fully followed the votes

i feel like mons like meloetta and stuff wouldve been a lot more popular with the voters than the regis and other mons that got in

I would love to see what the actual voting results were

[prime dust]

if they had fully followed the votes...

the community dex would have been
Gen 6 starters
Gen 7 starters
Tyrunt/Tyrantrum

[silk narwhal]

@white meadow just started scolipede/necrozma

[prime dust]

i doubt they will share the full vote %s for each mon

[ruby breach]

I know they said they were not going to do starters

[white meadow]

Awesome !
Ping me when finished

[silk narwhal]

i'll have to simplify it but it'll look amazing hopefully

[ruby breach]

I still think they rigged it. You expect me to believe that regirock regice and registeel were in the top 20 most voted pokemon?

[glossy osprey]

regies are mentioned alot, they're very popular

[ruby breach]

I've never seen people talk about them here, especially not compared to all the xerneas/yveltal/zygarde/meloetta/etc propoganda that was being spammed

[glossy osprey]

the thad registeel meme compelled me to vote 3 on the regies, it's like the lost treasure of this channel

I'm sure others were compelled by it as well

[prime dust]

that's just the word, not factoring in gifs, pictures, etc

you also have to factor in just because they are talked about a lot doesn't mean everyone voted the same...also there's bound to be people who didn't come into the chat to talk about the new mons at all

they just cast their votes and went on their business

[sharp nebula]

i think the people active in this chat should get a pick too

[tame canyon]

Huh

[prime dust]

we did get a pick, it was called the community poll

[white meadow]

You know there is a big chance that Melo will be one of the absolutle last mons to be added

[sharp nebula]

i have nothing to say to you.

[sick robin]

Oh shit necrozma real?
I can tell a lot of necrozma fusions are gonna go so hard

[mighty fulcrum]

Bruxish should take the place of meloetta

[hollow quest]

absolutely not

[glossy osprey]

that's an odd way of spelling guzzlord

[hollow quest]

i am 95% certain the UBs will have their own update

[fiery blade]

0/10 no galarian stunfisk

[hollow quest]

no gen 8+, unfortunately

[fiery blade]

Well, so waht do i win by having zero favorite mons joining the new roster?

https://tenor.com/view/tom-y-jerry-tom-and-jerry-meme-sad-cry-gif-21033115

[silk narwhal]

@white meadow didn't finish it but
look!!!!!!!!!!!

why is it so tiny

[round matrix]

Wait is necrozma the last one?

[prime dust]

the last community vote

we still have a spriter poll mon/line
and the winner's raffle mon/line

[round matrix]

So how many are left to be revealed?

[silk narwhal]

fucking hell it turned out so good in sprite form, even if it's just an outline

[round matrix]

Gotcha

[silk narwhal]

2 lines

[white meadow]

I love the horror of that thing

[glass patio]

Wait

So if ultra necrozma does end up working like in US/UM, what happens if a necrozma is fused with another necrozma?

[silk narwhal]

double ultra necrozma, probably

[glass patio]

that means there can’t be a necrozma/ultra necrozma sprite

[silk narwhal]

Apparently

[glass patio]

but also, if only one of them ultra bursts, that means there can’t be an ultra necrozma/ultra necrozma sprite

[prime dust]

we don't know and won't know until the update

[glass patio]

ig

maybe it wont even end up working like in us/um and im just thinking bout things that’ll never happen

[prime dust]

at best there are 3 possibilities that can come of this:

• they find a way to make it work like it does in the mainline games within the confines of the game engine/code of IF
• they have to make a new way for it work like it does in the mainline games or create a way for it to function similar to the mainline games
• they have to scrap the idea and have them similar to Oricorio where they are different forms they require an interaction with something in the world

[glass patio]

sadly it might be the last one

maybe give that z crystal thing to necrozma and it ultra bursts but it’s outside of battle idk make it a form change item

[pure flower]

what we do know regarding that is that you can't fuse Ultra Necrozma/Necrozma. It won't show up in game

well, you can't sprite that

#1145538243446722680 message

[sterile verge]

do you think they'd add Missingno if the raffle winner asks?
asking for a friend who may or may not be me

[prime dust]

no

[pure flower]

No. It has no stats, sprites, or data

In order to add that they'll have to make an entirely new entry to the pokemon library

[sterile verge]

sad

[prime dust]

also it wasn't on the poll at any point

[glass patio]

Wait, so maybe it will work like in US/UM

Because they know

[pure flower]

Yup

[sterile verge]

fair enough
it'd be cool though

[glass patio]

This is hype

[pure flower]

Basically, Ultra Necrozma/Necrozma would never occur. But Necrozma/Necrozma can occur. Same with Ultra Necrozma/Ultra Necrozma

the fact Ultra Necrozma/Necrozma can't occur ingame explains a lot

[glass patio]

oh gosh this is the closest thing we’re getting to megas I love necrozma now necrozma the best thing ever OMG
i got a bit carried away

[silk narwhal]

quick progress

to this point in 1 hour is pretty good, considering i haven't made sprites in like two weeks

[pure flower]

I'm not sure if it's be

but- does that look like Solaris from Sonic 06? The arms and head really reminds me of it

[pure flower]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/9/95/Solaris_Phase_1.png/revision/latest?cb=20201219075955

Like I get similar vibes

[silk narwhal]

what the hell is that

[pure flower]

the first phase of the final boss of Sonic 06

[silk narwhal]

huh

[pure flower]

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fhello-i-am-wondering-what-you-guys-think-of-this-could-ben-v0-ucakvf3yy01a1.png%3Fwidth%3D1800%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D9ddc79ea6399aa3830ee1ad5a364479747bd30f5

another angle.

y'know what. I'd love to see someone do Solaris as a reference. Having the first phase be Necrozma/(pokemon) and the second phase being Ultra Necrozma/(same pokemon)

but what pokemon would fit it?

[finite thistle]

Always loved this design

[ashen cloud]

wait so none of the new pokemon are in yet right

[pure flower]

not yet. But we do have a general idea of how Necrozma is gonna work in-game

[glass patio]

Nope

Wait names are fixed
damn i wanted piss name

[ebon glacier]

lets go! no more piss name

[glass patio]

ultra burst bucklin

[prime dust]

Soon™️

[glass patio]

I can’t ultra burst anymore

[grizzled cradle]

just realized the potential for ben10 references

[stoic canopy]

Ohhh that’s an idea. Fusing with a ghost type to make ghost freak.

[white meadow]

Glalie/Vulcarona alt

[hushed mantle]

When new reveal?

[stoic canopy]

Yesterday

[glass patio]

lmao

[prime dust]

we prob won't get another reveal til next week

[stoic canopy]

Mhm, there should be 2(?) more.

[prime dust]

2 minimum guaranteed

the spriter poll mon/line
the winner's raffle mon/line

[silk narwhal]

bro i can't believe it took me so long to figure out what looked weird about it 💀

[silk narwhal]

volcarona prolly

[pure flower]

Ended up picking Solrock

[ebon glacier]

wow, that's a cool cockroach

[deft bobcat]

I'm so sad Yveltal wasn't added

[silk narwhal]

same 😔

[pure flower]

just been thinking about it but the left horn( from our perspective) looks kinda messy

[silk narwhal]

yeah i know, i'm trying to fix it

[pure flower]

aa, okay

like the main thing is just it needs a gap between the horns at some point

[pure flower]

yeah that looks a lot cleaner

[pure flower]

also. Not sure if it's me but- looking at the legs, does the layering look off or is it just me?

[silk narwhal]

wdym

[pure flower]

like, are the legs crossed?

[white meadow]

I love it
Maybe you can add a bit more purple🤔

[stoic canopy]

I think I get what he’s saying

[silk narwhal]

dw it's nowhere near being done

[white meadow]

Ik

[stoic canopy]

Like the back foot looks like it’s pointing down

[silk narwhal]

no, and i don't see it

[glass prairie]

Does anyone have a picture they can send of all the mons currently not added? Im wanting to predict what they’ll choose

[pure flower]

well. To me it looks like the right foot (from our perspective) is behind the left foot

being a smaller size and blends more into the other foot

Like. the more I study it, the more it feels visually confusing?

[silk narwhal]

they're literally the same size

at least height wise

[pure flower]

what about thickness?

[pure flower]

Oh

That's... tricky. It looks a lot thinner than the previous version. I'm not sure then.

[pure flower]

could I see your concept art?

It looks off with it that thin but it looked off with it super thick too

[silk narwhal]

i'm not following it 1:1 but alright

[pure flower]

oh I see now what's going on

Like, why it looks weird to me. The leg looks like it's following the shape of the other leg, when it could be set to overlay over the other foot in order to convey that it's layered on top

similar to the concept art. So previous thickness with the other foot made to overlay over the foot covering the ankle like in the art

[silk narwhal]

i don't get what you're saying, also i literally traced the concept art

[pure flower]

okay. So in this art, it looks like the foot is following the outline of the other leg

But in the concept art, the foot is less angled, more obviously in the way of the view of the ankle

[silk narwhal]

OHHHHHHHHH

[pure flower]

get the idea now?

[sharp nebula]

this is probably better for like #spriter-general no?

[pure flower]

Oh, probably

[abstract verge]

Is ultra necrozma and necrozma, gonna be 2 different pokemon able to be fused, or is ultra necrozma a double necrozma fusion like primal kyogre and primal groudon?

[pure flower]

They're able to be fused. but you can't fuse Ultra Necrozma with Necrozma, because the truth is that Ultra Necrozma is in battle only

You'll actually get Necrozma/Necrozma, and never Ultra Necrozma/Necrozma

[abstract verge]

Ok

So will ultra necrozma only appear in battle pr can it be fused outside of battle as ultra necrozma

[pure flower]

I imagine it's in battle only

[abstract verge]

Makes sense tbh

[pure flower]

otherwise Ultra Necrozma/Necrozma would have an in-game sprite, which is confirmed to not happen

[abstract verge]

Thanks for answering my question

[vague fog]

So, has it been confirmed that ultra necrozma will be in battle only?

[cinder oasis]

No idea

[pure flower]

What we were told was that ultra necrozma/necrozma fusions won't show up in game.

While you can still fuse ultra necrozma.

The only way to prevent ultra necrozma/necrozma is to make ultra necrozma a temporary form change of necrozma, changing the sprite.

With these factors in mind, Ultra Necrozma is in battle only.

[vague fog]

Huh

[pure flower]

So that's basically how it works, with what information we were given

[vestal wharf]

We had enough legends i dont think we needed necrozma

[prime dust]

we need moar legends

[vestal wharf]

We dont

Now we gotta add solgaleo and lunala in the future

[pure flower]

Not really necessary apparently. I like Lunala but Necrozma can apparently ultra burst on its own

[patent dagger]

We needed rocks so I could make the reference sprite I was planning to

Anyway hello was necrozma the last Pokemon to be added?

[pure flower]

Last vote option

All that's left is spriter vote. I'm hoping for Lurantis, tbh

For a contrary pokemon with solar blade as an option.

[patent dagger]

What else are the options
(I do like lurantis tho)

If there is too many dont bother actually

[pure flower]

Golispod ig?

[autumn radish]

I do hope for Lurantis as well.
Thought, since there are some favs that did came in, even if Lurantis didn't make it, it wouldn't make a difference for me.

[autumn radish]

Yeah, Golisopod would be a fine addition as well.

[pure flower]

Yeah. I mean. I'm pretty happy with Noivern.

Though I'll have to find an interesting water type to fuse with it...

Really wanting to make a water dragon design that I like

Well, use a water dragon fusion.

Having mainly blues and such instead of pinks, reds, and such

[patent dagger]

Kabutops
Idk I dont use water types

[pure flower]

brown color scheme

not really a starter color pallete. And unfortunately Empoleon's just screwed up type wise.

[autumn radish]

Mmmh...
Well, we technically have Vaporeon, Tentacruel, Slowbro, Slowking, Blastoise, Swampert, Kingdra, Empoleon, Feraligatr, Poliwrath, Politoed, Azumarill, Mantine, Corsola, Wailord, Kyogre, Palkia, Omastar, and considering we're also going to have Sharpedo and Toxapex... Well, there's some cool ideas with in.

[pure flower]

It gives steel when it's the head

Bombtails, I spent HOURS digging through sprites.

[empty pendant]

I think there's two reveals left? Spriter vote, and contest raffle.

[pure flower]

The only ones remotely interesting to me was the shiny version of Seaking's, Vaporeon/Haxorous, and Azumarill/Blaziken.

[empty pendant]

Personally I hope for Ribombee and Lurantis. Would also be happy to see Salazzle.

[pure flower]

If Empoleon's fusion types were flipped I'd be happy tbh

So Water as the head instead of steel as the head

Well. I could change it in the gamefiles ig.

[abstract verge]

Were yveltal and xerneas already confirmed to be added a while ago with the other mons or am i going cukoo

[pure flower]

never confirmed

[abstract verge]

Ight

I thought they were gonna be added, now im a bit sad

Yveltal could have some epic fusions