#general
hexed dragon
kindred basin
fiduciary duty drives companies to do weird things. Like back when twitter added stories (which were killed shortly after) on request of shareholders. Facebook probably knows no one will use it, but when shareholders ask what they’re going about discord they can say this
vernal moth
minecraft: people rage because you can report child molesters to mojang
meanwhile at valorant: hey, lets record all voice chat!
lol
foggy silo
🤡
warm anchor
https://www.techspot.com/news/95085-riot-games-start-recording-valorant-player-v...
But but but! It’s differnt! It’s my OWN hosted server /s 
lilac moon
they record VC on your own personal self hosted servers???
kindred basin
It’s weird in a lot of other games people accept global anticheat game banning players on private servers but I guess grooming in chat is too far
cunning raft
with vac bans there is a distinction between auth servers and cheat bans
warm anchor
CSGO and dota2 VAC and overwatch is best
lilac moon
It’s weird in a lot of other games people accept global anticheat game banning p...
I don't :troll:
warm anchor
Case reviewed by community
Dota give you case to review via its replay feature and you can mark decision as positive negative and N/A
ripe sphinx
today in "fucking windows 11" https://f.u11.io/RvJxyw
void void
today in "fucking windows 11" https://f.u11.io/RvJxyw
Nice.
timid gull
Does anyone else use the admin command to summon invincible villagers so they cannot be killed or turned into zombies? I put in the work to get a villager where i want it then just kill it amd summon the invincible one. Am I the only one?
novel horizon
no
rare python
today in "fucking windows 11" https://f.u11.io/RvJxyw
Stop using MultiMC, switch to PolyMC.
ripe sphinx
it's on the ol todo list, just haven't bothered since I don't really play MC that much
worn ember
Disney vibes
"people liked the first one so we'll make 5 more of it along with its own series"
thorny totem
I guess this got already discussed here, expected 1.19.1 release today but looks like they cancelled/delayed the release xd
vernal moth
welcome to the life of a software engineer
worn crest
better than having a bug and millions of ppl complaining about it 
worn ember
gotta add some dupe glitches
frank otter
Disney vibes
for some reason the icon reminds me of that Portal cube
worn ember
haha it does
void void
I guess this got already discussed here, expected 1.19.1 release today but looks...
Looks like poor md pushed his startup delay removal for nothing
spiral robin
@twin lagoon 🥺
thorny totem
Looks like poor md pushed his startup delay removal for nothing
rip, oof
thorny totem
<@215448923681062913> 🥺
mossy vessel
@twin lagoon good morning
twin lagoon
@mossy vessel best nmf
spiral robin
@mossy vessel hello ?
twin lagoon
@spiral robin 🥺
spiral robin
xx
mossy vessel
hello aber
twin lagoon
aeron check @spiral robin
spiral robin
aeron check <@271510274475819008>
6 weeks to go 
mossy vessel
best aber how's it going
mossy vessel
Very good, weather is great and so is work, what else could I wish for
Maybe signed chat on paper? 
spiral robin
void void
I really hope spigot's impl of the chat preview won't have legacy chat
spiral robin
Pls
ripe sphinx
obviously it will though
spiral robin
Very good, weather is great and so is work, what else could I wish for
What u doing for work these days?
foggy silo
I really hope spigot's impl of the chat preview won't have legacy chat
lol what do you THINK
mossy vessel
What u doing for work these days?
twin lagoon
jenkins 
twin lagoon
wonder how many RCEs i'm exposed to if i log into my jenkins instance after a week again
void void
but I can still dream
spiral robin
https://github.com/jenkinsci/jenkins/releases/tag/jenkins-2.346.1
Wtf since when
mossy vessel
August 2021
mossy vessel
39 to be exact 
vernal moth
how the fuck does the jenkins org have 700 people? lol
void void
how the fuck does the jenkins org have 700 people? lol
pretty sure you can transfer your plugin to the org
at which point you become a member
mossy vessel
how the fuck does the jenkins org have 700 people? lol
It's an umbrella organization, you're invited if we host your plugin and you use the sponsored infra
But I can assure there are more than 700 people lol
spiral robin
How big is the team of ppl who work on Jenkins itself
vernal moth
oh I see
true canyon
How big is the team of ppl who work on Jenkins itself
It's just 30 NMFs in a trenchcoat
coarse lily
@twin lagoon
twin lagoon
@coarse lily
spiral robin
It's just 30 NMFs in a trenchcoat
No please we don’t need another!
mossy vessel
How big is the team of ppl who work on Jenkins itself
Good question, the majority of core contributors contribute on company's behalf, others are our folks and yet others again have no affiliation with Jenkins at all
mossy vessel
The beauty of open source
The majority of core contributors do that on company behalf, see https://allcdf.devstats.cd.foundation/d/55/company-prs-in-repository-groups-table?orgId=1&var-period_name=Last decade&var-repogroups=Jenkins&var-companies=All e.g. others are students or your regular oss contributors
*Only companies being part of the Linux Foundation are listed
ashen cliff
Oh cool. Finally found someone to blame for Jenkins not accepting BS Java versions. 
mossy vessel
Effectively yeeted Java 8 from today's release
Effectively yeeting Java 8 for lts in september, you are too late
vivid valve
NotMyFault could u help me with smth if ur knowledgeable with like config mob drop edit things or smth lmao
mossy vessel
No
mossy vessel
#paper-help is your way to go
vivid valve
alr 😔
simple garden
is there away to disable nether portals & end portalas
i did it before but i forgot how to do it >.>
timber sentinel
disable the allow-end and allow-nether options in the server.properties and bukkit.yml
simple garden
will that do it for all my worlds cause i am using mv
timber sentinel
server.properties and bukkit.yml are global yeah, not sure if there's a per-world solution if that's what you needed
void void
Anyone here got the LG UltraFine 5k for their Mac
kindred basin
I do at work
worn ember
https://github.com/jenkinsci/jenkins/releases/tag/jenkins-2.346.1
oh so you're the guy that introduces all these security vulnerabilities 
mossy vessel
No
worn ember
u
mossy vessel
Welp, I may have reviewed and merged a few prs introducing them, if that counts
mossy vessel
Could be worse
worn ember
true, you could be working for oracle
mossy vessel
Could be left with unresolved vulnerabilities smh
jagged egret
like what
void void
Allowing you to change any value, regardless of private, final, whatever
Direct communication with components
manual memory allocation
jagged egret
Oh, like reflection
void void
Sorta, but more powerful
jagged egret
o.o
void void
Wayy more powerful
jagged egret
probably not if you know how to use reflection
void void
It without a doubt in my mind, is
true canyon
Unsafe is where everyone ran to if they were doing stuff that newer Java versions deny.
potent wedge
It exists in most languages and I think all good compiled ones
jagged egret
Ohh
void void
I believe Unsafe is used in most if not all Atomic(X) classes
potent wedge
Well unsafe is unsafe
jagged egret
https://jd.papermc.io/paper/1.19/org/bukkit/UnsafeValues.html I thought you meant this lmao
void void
Nah, I meant the http://mishadoff.com/blog/java-magic-part-4-sun-dot-misc-dot-unsafe/
sick acorn
vague lagoon
are the velocity channels on irc?
true canyon
They do not appear to be, at least using the same bot.
wraith trail
New channels haven't and won't be added
Just old ones from when irc was still primary
rare python
Because IRC is dead, and those who use it are stuck in the past.
warm anchor
I thought we have irc so pheonix can talk with us
rare python
Hes stuck in the past then.
limber knotBOT
Such rudeness here!
lament patio
Paper Matrix bridge when
spiral robin
Mbaxter.unsafe();
worn ember
Mbaxter.unsafe();
you should always use protection
spiral robin
🤨
limber knotBOT
pls fix my profile pic :(
worn ember
no unsafe
rare python
IRC is dead
spiral robin
JB Mono
limber knotBOT
@rare python Hey! Your opinion is disrespectful!!!?
lament patio
Ooo cool, thanks
unkempt drift
that question seems out of nowhere?
like why ask me? did you see a screenshot of my ide on here or smth?
lament patio
Oh, sorry
unkempt drift
I mean its not a problem, it just seems out of left field
lament patio
I saw a screenshot in the contributors channel, wanted to ask but didn't want to ping so I just postponed it till you were active in chat, lol
unkempt drift
I just use the defaults, so jb mono for the editor, and whatever apple's default is for the other UI stuff
whatever .AppleSystemUIFont is
spiral robin
One Dark Italic 
warm anchor
You don’t use comic San? @spiral robin
spiral robin
I use EterNifont
twin lagoon
slender moon
Please ban for dm advertising @cyan harness
warm anchor
Please ban for dm advertising <@535292421207228427>
He’s advertising paperMC too !?
warm anchor
shy eagle
brave mountain
Paper Matrix bridge when
Paper in FullDive when?
lilac moon
Mbaxter.unsafe();
Rust does not approve of this
molten egret
<@521031433972744193> Hey! Your opinion is disrespectful!!!?
Bot
lilac moon
robo
radiant fable
do chunk loaders not work on velocity servers?
radiant fable
welp thats a huge rip lol
radiant fable
I see, its not my server its just on an SMP im playing so ye
i left a chunk loader all night and no iron thats why i came to ask
lilac moon
I know some chunk loader plugins don't tick the chunk, maybe that might be the issue
raw tide
Do I have good Wifi?
unkempt jackal
yep
languid sable
ripe sphinx
Not a marketplace
rigid osprey
I know, but need some one to help tho.
ripe sphinx
Still not a marketplace
rigid osprey
Could you recommand any website can do this?
unborn jay
Do any of you use Insights plugin to limit blocks per chunk?
raw tide
Could you recommand any website can do this?
Do what?
chrome quest
Would an SVG work well for a minecraft image?
raw tide
convert video voice to text,
I found this and it has a 10 day free trial: https://get.otter.ai/interview-transcription/ not sure if there is any free ones.
unkempt jackal
Would an SVG work well for a minecraft image?
not sure what you mean, but minecraft's assets/textures are PNG so you should probably rasterize that svg to the resolution you'd like
chrome quest
I’ll take that as a yes.
The dynmap plugin uses tiny images to create its maps, but I think this is very inefficient.
So I’m wondering about other possible methods.
ripe sphinx
Well BlueMap stores everything as iirc JSON, and the browser handles rendering, which is another possible approach
chrome quest
According to some website you can store svg’s in CSS so I was thinking I store all the textures in that then just have the client receive like a json array with IDs to each texture. The client then renders it all.
rigid osprey
I found this and it has a 10 day free trial: https://get.otter.ai/interview-tran...
Thanks, That help a lot
raw tide
Ofc 🙂
potent wedge
Do any of you use Insights plugin to limit blocks per chunk?
Why would you want to do that? Just turn down max chunk distance
raw tide
Is a AMD Ryzen 9 3900X a good upgrade from a AMD Ryzen 3 2300X?
fallen oracle
Idk anything about hardware but 23 is bigger than 3 sooo
potent wedge
9 > 3
3900 > 2300
Yeah should work netter
austere sleet
Does anyone have any idea of this problem?
-Not the Fork; it happens with Spigot/Paper.
-It's not the plugins, I tried removing them all and it persists.
-It is not the Proxy, I tried with BungeeCord / WaterFall, it persists.
-They are not the libraries / cache, I tried to delete them and have them generated again.
-I tried with / without aikar flags.
-I tried with the UFT-8 flag and it persisted.
-Tried toggling between Java 17 and Java 18, it didn't work.
-I tried other versions of Java and it persisted.
At this point, I have no more ideas...
void void
Do you have a vanilla client?
austere sleet
Do you have a vanilla client?
No... It's the only thing I haven't tried. i will see that
It also happens on vanilla clients.
golden gust
depends on how you're generating the items
austere sleet
depends on how you're generating the items
It also happens to me with menus and other things
golden gust
bearing in mind that there are data transformation that can occur when cloning items, etc, in some cases, improperly created items can be fucked
outside of that, it would scream that something else on the server is fucking with i, see proxy plugins, etc
outside of that > 1.17.1, gl
austere sleet
outside of that, it would scream that something else on the server is fucking wi...
I tried without plugins, I tried with Waterfall / BungeeCord (to rule out that it was my custom fork)
I'm really here, because... I've run out of ideas.
The last thing I have to try is to change this machine server and see if it is that
golden gust
something is mangling the data somewhere
either the data was already fucked on those items and the auto translation logic fucked them
or, something else is messing with the things
Given that you're running an unsupported version, literally all we can tell you is that somewhere within your setup, you either have borked data, or, something borking data
austere sleet
It also happens to me in 1.19... Although instead of changing it that way, it places it with the name vanilla
golden gust
depends on how the item is being created
as I've said, either there is bad data on that item, or something is borking it elsewhere
daring laurel
- Not in #paper-help ✅
- Was using a custom fork ✅
- Unsupported Version ✅
- Using a custom client ✅
I’m not sure who has the emoji with the cross but now would be the time to use it
magic river
boo opaque background
chrome quest
So I need a better way to get the colours of the pixels than manually writing them out, but I have the start of a block at least!
vernal moth
What's wrong with using an image? Lol
ripe sphinx
"inefficient"
I mean to be fair I think there's something to be said about serving just the data of the blocks and not needing to deal with tons of images (especially since you can probably compress that a lot)
austere sleet
as I've said, either there is bad data on that item, or something is borking it ...
I understand, but why does it look that way?
golden gust
I don't know
as I keep saying, something is mangling the data
I cannot tell you what in your setup is inducing that
ripe sphinx
like a map plugin would only need to know the material (and possibly blockdata i.e. fence positions) for the top block of any x,z location theoretically (if we ignore dynmap 3d maps)
chrome quest
What's wrong with using an image? Lol
Store millions of tiny images that compresses horribly or small json files that hold arrays of IDs and a position, which also compress very well.
I mean. I guess I could use images still and then still have them stitched together on the client side.
But I also want to try out some perspective stuff which would need their own versions of images.
And SVGs seem easier in that aspect.
Do need to figure out how I want to handle zoomed out stuff though. Like blurry it.
golden gust
zoomed out stuff generally just relies on lower res data
chrome quest
That’s what I meant.
golden gust
you can then maybe apply a filter over that to make it like "more natural" looking
chrome quest
But like how to combine the pixels to make the new combined colour
chrome quest
I’ve never heard of that word before.
golden gust
ah, no, dithering is adding noise
vernal moth
Even if your images don't compress good, it's always gonna be smaller than json, lol
Images are binary, json is a text format
golden gust
Yea, that's the point too, like, theres always compression, but, json itself is just gonna have more there
chrome quest
I guess lol. But the current method, dynmap, makes an image for every chunk. They compress horribly.
golden gust
bmp is literally just the header + the pixel info
I mean, the thing for dynmap is that the data is already pretty darn small for what it's doing
Like, anything else would probs just involve something like a stupidly stripped down variant of svg
chrome quest
If the images were bigger then it would compress better, but jpg is a compressed format so green on one isn’t green on another.
warm anchor
isnt dynmap is already 1 pixel = 1 block? 
golden gust
not exactly
chrome quest
You can change the resolution with dynmap
warm anchor
oh I must got it confused with another plugin
vernal moth
Look, if Google Maps still hasn't switched away from images to save on bandwidth, I don't think you gonna find the magic solution to that ^^
chrome quest
But the lowest resolution is 2x2 per block
golden gust
with lower res's you generally get burned by filesystem rather than the actual file sizes
chrome quest
What I want is a smaller disk footprint.
light vale
I am so confused what is going on with the post on the forums with paper devs about chat reports
What
vernal moth
Still don't see how that would be smaller than just images
native wolf
isnt dynmap is already 1 pixel = 1 block? <:riepeek:786841205921153034>
that's Pl3xMap
golden gust
Thing is that map data is generally just kinda bleh
Like, at the end of the data it's a good chunk of data
light vale
I am so confused what is going on with the post on the forums with paper devs ab...
Because paper kinda making themselves look bad as that post is now circulating
golden gust
combining stuff into larger regions might offer some wins as you'd save on the filesystem burning you
chrome quest
Well instead of images. It’s arrays of IDs. One ID per block compared to at minimum 4 pixels per block. The client then renders the images based off the IDs. Making my server side disk space smaller.
vernal moth
Because paper kinda making themselves look bad as that post is now circulating
If I look bad to assholes, doesn't that make me the good guy?
Not that I care
golden gust
depends on how you store that data, tbqh
light vale
If I look bad to assholes, doesn't that make me the good guy?
What are you on about
golden gust
Like, at the end of the day that's pretty much all an image is
vernal moth
Well instead of images. It’s arrays of IDs. One ID per block compared to at mini...
An uncompressed image is just an array of numbers too?
light vale
The entire community is against the system and you defended it and its spreading that post
And since you're a developer it represents paper
light vale
Who is not against it
native wolf
oh my, here we go again
chrome quest
An uncompressed image is just an array of numbers too?
Three numbers per pixel and 4 pixels per block compared to one number per block.
golden gust
many dozens of server owners have concerns but generally support it
warm anchor
The entire community is against the system and you defended it and its spreading...
reddit/youtube is just a small potion of the community. Maybe you should wake up and get out of your own bubble?
vernal moth
Oh because color, I guess
Well, can still use images it you only want one color and use it as a bitmap
light vale
many dozens of server owners have concerns but generally support it
This system is ripe for abuse and mojang/ms would most definitely abuse their authority with this at one point
golden gust
Anything "smaller" is probs just gonna be storing a pallette somewhere and writing the binary array of the pallette
native wolf
chat reporting is a system made to help the community, not hurt it, Microsoft has been moderating Xbox Live for like decades and who was complaining about false bans there?
ripe sphinx
oh goodie this song and dance again
golden gust
I mean, we've been speaking to mojang internally about stuff, there are concerns, yes, theres much discussion still going on
vernal moth
I really don't see why it's so surprising to people that we side with Mojang on player safety features, I think it was really well aware that paper deeply cares about making sure everybody can feel safe around here
warm anchor
This system is ripe for abuse and mojang/ms would most definitely abuse their a...
Can you refrain to speak purely of speculation instead wait and see the result?
golden gust
Mojang fucked up on their communications, there is work to fix that which should help address many of the issues
warm anchor
There is literally ZERO report being made and the system has YET to even work on spigot/paper.
native wolf
why the hell would Mojang abuse it?
light vale
I mean, we've been speaking to mojang internally about stuff, there are concerns...
Oh that's why y'all defending yeah ok
golden gust
I mean, we have been bringing concerns back to mojang
native wolf
it's about time Minecraft got player safety features
golden gust
We have a general overview of their plans and what they wanna do
There are concerns, such are being discussed with mojang
Mojang is planning to address some of that mess
vernal moth
All am seeing is people are rightfully afraid the can't throw slurs around anymore
warm anchor
I dont think there should be a safe space for Nazi or other racist in Minecraft or anything... call me power tripping but hey. hard to be reasonable nowadays.
native wolf
true
this will be like migrations to MS accounts, everyone will be against it and then forget about it in a month or two
warm anchor
I do like my 2FA 
void void
Single question: will no reports plugins get banned from the forum?
vernal moth
We never allowed you to break Mojangs rules around here
light vale
I am genuinely curious still as to why paper thinks this is a good idea
Because servers have been self moderating for years
warm anchor
I am genuinely curious still as to why paper thinks this is a good idea
Tell me honestly have you read the official resource FAQ?
golden gust
servers have been self moderating for years
literally can't go a year without a #metoo in the community
light vale
In fact there is a way to mass false report right now what
upbeat falconBOT
ripe sphinx
eh dammit can someone delete pls
golden gust
Which will get that persons account banned
light vale
Did I forget to mention their is currently a way to mass report players
No
False report
Lol
vernal moth
Mass reports are extremely easy to block
light vale
You're missing my point
vernal moth
And then ban the reporters
golden gust
false reporting is 1) easy to detect 2) literally against mojangs rules 3) all reports are viewed by humans
light vale
There is a way to falsify evidence and make it appear someone is breaking the rules
L
Ol
warm anchor
Making false report will risk the offender to be banned @light vale
visual egret
There is a way to falsify evidence and make it appear someone is breaking the ru...
how?
ripe sphinx
and false report =/= mass report
warm anchor
There is a way to falsify evidence and make it appear someone is breaking the ru...
This is simply not true. It's almost like CHAT SIGNING is to prevent this from happening
ripe sphinx
also mildly curious as to how toy believe that's possible
light vale
Because I can modify chat reports to appear how I want lol
visual egret
not anymore
ripe sphinx
how so
vernal moth
You can't modify messages
visual egret
that’s been fixed iirc
light vale
This is simply not true. It's almost like CHAT SIGNING is to prevent this from h...
Yeah and that's why I can't modify reports suree
light vale
You can't modify messages
Never said I can modify other messages
But I can selectively send what I want
Remove context
And time
native wolf
you can't remove context
golden gust
The client literally forecefully sends that data
the time is literally stamped into the messages
light vale
You can tho a mod already exists
vernal moth
Well, if there isn't enough context, Mojang will just not act
native wolf
the reviewer gets the past messages
golden gust
if you mess with that, I'm sure they'll just invalidate the report
ripe sphinx
I mean I'm sure it's MITMable but like mojang can just ignore it them
light vale
I can edit the report and change the order of messages and mojang accepts the report
Lol
warm anchor
ok cool
light vale
And remove messages
warm anchor
go ahead and do it
light vale
If I want
ripe sphinx
timestampped messages?
warm anchor
I will give you my Minecraft ID 
ripe sphinx
isn't the timestamp signed?
light vale
Clearly you have not kept up have you
The system right now is fully setup for mass reporting and creating false incriminating evidence
warm anchor
vernal moth
Kirill is saying that a malicious actor can decide which messages to include in the context, which is true and known, but Mojang obviously also knows that and will not act on reports with too few messages as context
light vale
Kirill is saying that a malicious actor can decide which messages to include in ...
I can also add context which wasn't present
vernal moth
Mass reporting is only effective with getting yourself banned, not others
light vale
By using accounts where I have access too
ripe sphinx
am I correct in assuming that the timestamp is part of the signed data?
visual egret
if this is such an issue to you, disable chat signing
golden gust
it's part of the signature, yes
visual egret
simple as that
vernal moth
You can't make somebody say something they didn't say
That's all that matters
The rest is just additional data
You are overthinking this and am tired of hearing the same points every day
light vale
Mass reporting is only effective with getting yourself banned, not others
Tell me then what is stopping someone from creating a bot net of sorts and sending out to farm messages which are all signed on a server, bundling them together and making reports with messages of players who never interacted. Not only that adding messages from an account I have the key for
ripe sphinx
Tell me then what is stopping someone from creating a bot net of sorts and sendi...
nothing, but that's useless unless the "target" player actually says something in violation of the rules
also then you get banned for mass reports
visual egret
timestamps
light vale
So say I take the message of someone in lobby 1 at 11:15
Then the message of someone In lobby 2 at 11:16 bundle them together and add enough extra messages what's stopping that
warm anchor
How are you reporting someone who has never said anything violating the rules? I am struggle to understand your r/hackerman fantasies there
vernal moth
Tell me then what is stopping someone from creating a bot net of sorts and sendi...
You can't get banned if you don't say ban worthy stuff, how is that so hard to understand?
golden gust
best advice, is to engage mojang with that, there are defo concerns, as I keep saying, mojang is keeping their eyes out for such info and figuring out ways to deal with it
visual egret
^
golden gust
Like, as I've said many dozens of times, there are defo concerns
ripe sphinx
and if they do say something ban-worthy, well, you don't have the need to fake context
light vale
Alright here is my extreme example someone gave
ripe sphinx
this ought to be interesting
warm anchor
light vale
So someone sends 4 messages
P1 :What do you think of (ethnic group)
P2 : they're fine
P3 : alright what about creepers
P4 : God I hate them they should die
What's stopping me from 1 removing the 2nd and 3rd messages
Adding 4 additional messages from a burner account I have and sending g a report
Extreme example someone made
Tell me what happens there
golden gust
Mojang gets all those 4 messages
golden gust
Mojang sends the info around the messages
golden gust
if you remove them in the report, the report is easily to see that it's invalid
light vale
Except no?
I can shift the order of messages and remove it and it'll be perfectly acceptable
There is no way to tell now is there?
Also what is stopping me from making burner accounts which I have the api key off and generating fake messages with timestamps I need and inserting them
native wolf
and if messages are signed, and timestamps are part of the signature, how does reordering messages have any effect?
golden gust
Basically, that's an edge case, there are ways to mangle the data, we and they are aware of that
idk what their plan is around that
light vale
And you said this is an edge case but this case has been publicised in some manner and many many others to make innocent messages seem incriminating
And considering someone can add false context with accounts they own
golden gust
Yes, and as been said many times, mojang are aware of that
visual egret
timestamps
light vale
And finally
The issue is tho
Hack client devs
Nefarious actors
All aware of this
golden gust
and as are mojang
vernal moth
This is not an issue that will be able to be exploited at any kind of scale is what I am saying
light vale
And are already working on making innocent messages seem incrimimating
light vale
This is not an issue that will be able to be exploited at any kind of scale is w...
Oh I beg to differ people are working on making this work in mass
ripe sphinx
Legitimate suggestion, any reason there isn't a blockchain-esque "messages include some data of the last message i.e. a hash and then include that in the signed data" to prevent all this reordering and injection?
vernal moth
So it's worth brining up to Mojang, which we have done already, they did know it before we did, so they are prepared
But we can end here now if you don't have anything new
light vale
You see people are already working on systems to do this in mass amounts
And like we've seen where there is a will it will be made
vernal moth
And Mojang had a year to work on preventing it
light vale
And a glaring issue like that made it in on pre releases
vernal moth
It's not an issue, it's an edge case
light vale
Perhaps the greatest issue lies in communications which was effectively and wholly messed up
vernal moth
Every system will have weak links, as long as the moderation team is aware there is no issue
golden gust
and they've admitted that their communications where fucked up
real saddle
can i get that java learning tutorial u provided some day
light vale
It's not an issue, it's an edge case
One of hundreds already effectively crafted to use innocent messages popularly sent crafted to incriminate players
vernal moth
Hundreds? What are you talking about? Lol
light vale
Ask the people who make these not me
vernal moth
I have seen their code, as has Mojang, it's nothing fancy or worth worrying about
warm anchor
mass reporting is just an easy way for Mojang to filter out those dumb minestorm alts
so please go ahead and do it on mass scale
ripe sphinx
manya capturing the essence of this entire conversation with a single gif
light vale
Anyway all mojang has to do is effectively communicate this if so
warm anchor
https://tenor.com/view/wall-talking-talking-to-self-alone-lonely-gif-5869985
Can you edit this gif to have 5 people talking to a wall instead
light vale
Then the issues will be dispersed
light vale
Anyway all mojang has to do is effectively communicate this if so
Bc a lot and I mean a lot of youtubers are being made aware and against it
golden gust
I mean, people are still spreading FUD dispelled by their last thing, but, communication is something they're working on
I ain't had the time to view the YTers vids, semi don't care
one of them literally pinned something that was blatently false in their comments
Just screaming that they've not read any of the updates that mojang has shoved out
light vale
Youtubers kinda control the growth and popularity to an extent of the game
So you kinda have to care in a sense
I do agree some of them as misinformed and greatly so sometimes but nonetheless
vernal moth
Almost all videos I saw work with outdated info
And basically zero effort
Like you would expect from YouTubers
Gotta ride the rage train for views!
visual egret
does anyone above the age of 10 even watch YouTube
golden gust
Yes
visual egret
I feel like everyone has just kinda dropped it without realising
golden gust
but, I ain't really watched much block game stuff in years
yt is still a great place for long form content
visual egret
yeah ofc
golden gust
Just, I guess many kinda ditched long form for the dope kicks of 2 minute vid tops
warm anchor
Osakr did you just call all of us old 
vernal moth
There tons of quality content on YouTube
I can recommend channels such as Not Just Bikes
About modern city planning
warm anchor
I recommend real engineering hes like an advanced plumber
vernal moth
Or why America's cities are suck so much
warm anchor
visual egret
Nilered is one of the people I continued watching
golden gust
'MURICA
warm anchor
Nilered is one of the people I continued watching
I kinda hate he starts making shorts
visual egret
yeah I don’t like it either
vernal moth
Shorts can be fun
golden gust
LPL
visual egret
if you’re gonna make shorts, you might as well make a tiktok lmao
warm anchor
https://youtu.be/pujG5DbtDT8
Mini this is what cat would like
visual egret
because shorts is god awful
golden gust
I mean, sorts often pick out of other stuff
warm anchor
those are the VIDEO I Like
golden gust
Like, many YTers kinda use shorts to preview their channel contents
but, shorts are kinda dead, most of what people seem to use them for is just shittier meme reports from elsewhere
warm anchor
Their attempt to copy tiktok
visual egret
also
golden gust
visual egret
I feel like films/series, and tiktoks are more entertaining than your average 10min YouTube video
stretched out for ad revenue
golden gust
depends on where you look, really
warm anchor
find one that aint like that 
golden gust
Like, creating a 20 second funny clip is trivial if that's all you gotta do
long form content is an entirely different ballgame
Like, it depends what you're looking for, and "part 2, 3, 4, 5..." on TT is annoying af
visual egret
Tt now has like 10min videos
golden gust
Yea, but people don't use them for the "entertaining" stuff
visual egret
and I feel like if you’re going through 5 parts you might as well
golden gust
Instead they'd rather farm views by seperating it into parts
warm anchor
HEY Oskar. I found this player in the middle of dessert on my Earth SMP map! look how I surprise him with some epic loots! @visual egret
warm anchor
visual egret
HEY Oskar. I found this player in the middle of dessert on my Earth SMP map! loo...
the 20 other servers with the exact same video too, just on a different server
warm anchor
you dotn even need to record your own video
some of them just change the title
and use a bigger subtitle to cover the old
viscid terrace
hello, how do we get paperspigot in 1.8.8 please?
crystal lilyBOT
To download old versions of Paper, click here ➡️ papermc.io/legacy ⬅️ and fill out the questions. Note that old versions are completely unsupported and contain numerous bugs/exploits.
rare python
hello, how do we get paperspigot in 1.8.8 please?
Have you considered using a modern version of the game
viscid terrace
no, I don't like the newer versions
rare python
Why?
viscid terrace
I think the old versions are better than the new ones and it reminds me of my childhood
ashen cliff
ViaVersion.
rare python
I think the old versions are better than the new ones and it reminds me of my ch...
Welp... the newer versions are better... shh
viscid terrace
Everyone has his own taste 🙂
worthy geode
there is a "legacy" section on the downloads page, I think it has 1.8.8
But its unsupported of course and has lots of issues
viscid terrace
Thank you I had not seen, I can continue to work in peace.
violet flower
Who is not against it
paper devs only
cuz they dont wanna "fight with mojang's system"
violet flower
reddit/youtube is just a small potion of the community. Maybe you should wake up...
if reddit and youtube is small where should i exactly look at?
wake up and get into reality
no one really likes it
mossy vessel
wake up and get into reality
So should you and not talk up your ass forwarding your opinion on others lol
violet flower
no one would change his mind from what i talked about here
im just arguing with some nonsense weirdos
golden gust
same
frank otter
im just arguing with some nonsense weirdos
then why bother?
mossy vessel
Welcome to paper general
golden gust
There are concerns over the system, mojangs messing sucked too
most people I know outside of this discord generally support it but have some concerns
violet flower
then why bother?
idk
but whatever happens
most of server admins will disable it
as you can see https://github.com/Aizistral-Studios/No-Chat-Reports
332 stars and 1.19.1 isn't even out
the point is
reddit isn't small actually
or yt
frank otter
you won whatever
thank you
worthy geode
Is there a prize for winning?
worn ember
i'll have 2
cat, i have vacation now, are you happy i'll be here all day now to talk to you?
mossy vessel
now?
golden gust
I liked it better when you was doing other stuff, fwiw
ashen cliff
Bruh.
worn ember
looks like you hit the jackpot
worn ember
depends on your target audience tbh
i wonder if mojang will suspend accounts for mass reporting
golden gust
based upon their post, looks like they will
worn ember
im just gonna wait and see how they'll get overrun by reports 
smoky cloud
I’d be surprised if there wasn’t some form of automation on it
worn ember
but then again they do it fine for bedrock which has a larger player base
they said its not automated afaik
imagine your job being having to deal with block drama all day
"I work at Mojang"
"oh cool, what do you do?"
"player reports 
"
worthy geode
I hope they get at least paid decently
smoky cloud
they won’t
worthy geode
outsourcing this kind of work to low-wage countries is pretty common, so yeah
pastel reef
Could an Itanium from 2017 run Minecraft?
real saddle
what is itanium
pastel reef
A processor
real saddle
pentium or itanium
smoky cloud
It was Intel’s replacement for x86 that never took off
pastel reef
pentium or itanium
Itanium, discontinued in 2020
smoky cloud
worthy geode
If it can run a JVM, probably
only Java version I can find for itanium is Java 6 though, and that won't work
ashen cliff
Tho, might be the same problem I have on the PPC build...
Can't run anything newer than 1.12.2.
smoky cloud
https://posili.me/i/S8PvQTZ6-2022-06-29_12-19-46.png
Debian 7 though
ashen cliff
Nope. Sid.
smoky cloud
Do they still release stable IA-64 builds? I can’t see an ISO
ashen cliff
And the iso is here.
Still trying to buy a Itanium machine... very rare tho.
Well, expensive.
worn ember
why is placeholder not showing?
this isnt papi support lol
void void
Pur pur is the best
simple garden
do data packs work on paper servers?
worn ember
yes
simple garden
awesome thank you
real saddle
this isnt papi support lol
ik that asking community thats it
worn ember
ik that asking community thats it
"why no work" is not a decent question though lol, i doubt anyone will know why
dull venture
Does anyone know where I can get Protocollib for 1.19 without problems?
mossy vessel
dull venture
https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/protocollib.1997/
But this is not available for 1.19. Are there any alternatives to Protocollib?
worn crest
But this is not available for 1.19. Are there any alternatives to Protocollib?
5.0 builds. derklaro did a great job
mossy vessel
A quick glance over the page leads you to their experimental builds.
pastel reef
Do most Paper devs use IntelliJ? And it is good for making Plugins?
golden gust
yes, and yes
community edition is generally fine for plugin dev, but, I mean, it's "just" a java IDE
vernal moth
For plugins you wanna look at the Minecraft development plugin for intellij
pastel reef
For plugins you wanna look at the Minecraft development plugin for intellij
Got it, thanks!
molten egret
For plugins you wanna look at the Minecraft development plugin for intellij
Yeah it’s really good it sets up maven and the ide
lethal field
Hello Everyone, I'm not sure I'm in the right channel, but where can I get some help with coding my custom plugins?
void void
worn ember
agile portal
For plugins you wanna look at the Minecraft development plugin for intellij
what does that even do?
other than generate a build file ig
void void
autocomplete for stuff like plugin.yml, fabric.mod.json, etc
mixin support
and a bunch of other nifty things
mossy vessel
good morning aber
mossy vessel
How’s Jenkins today
https://github.com/jenkinsci/jenkins/pull/6716 no rest allowed 
real rivet
What happened to the forums?
My login doesn't work
spiral robin
Are you on the correct forum website
golden gust
Do note that we replaced the forums a good while back
spiral robin
I think there is /forums and forums.
golden gust
real rivet
oh
spiral robin
Do note that we replaced the forums a good while back
Ima replace you
mossy vessel
Is all your communication done on a google group <:ClearLa:960291215838953592>
No, company uses slack but there is a demand to keep up the mailing list 😂
real rivet
I see
spiral robin
No, company uses slack but there is a demand to keep up the mailing list 😂
💀
How does versioning work
Is 2.x pinned at 2?
golden gust
Imma get a 3 numbered dice
1 = bump version
2 = bump minor
3 = bump patch
all versioning will be handled by the magical dice
spiral robin
Yeah duh I mean for Jenkins xd
twin lagoon
@spiral robin aeron check
mossy vessel
2.x exists to diverge from 1.x which was oracle aka hudson days
mossy vessel
There's no real semver here, or at least no consumers care about semver
Every tuesday 12:30PM GMT new weekly release, every 12 weeks a new LTS release is picked upon a weekly release maintained with 3 point releases cut in a bi-weekly manner is what I do atm
Works fine and I don't need to get up at 8am 
frank otter
5.9 weeks<:koriAhegao:901087828660867112>
what's an aeron
mossy vessel
koriAhegao
spiral robin
what's an aeron
Chair
worn ember
https://github.com/jenkinsci/jenkins/pull/6716 no rest allowed <:panda_sleep:652...
they allow you to contribute with your gamertag?
pastel reef
Do buttons slow down ice tracks?
worn ember
how about you try it lol
wide chasm
No
mossy vessel
they allow you to contribute with your gamertag?
Nobody uses a company account here, if they don't want to
spiral robin
Epic
Then all contributions show up 😄
Not many people have a dedicated company account for me either
Maybe 30%
worn ember
Nobody uses a company account here, if they don't want to
fair enough
i use devops for work so it wouldnt show up on gh anyway
so i use company account
mossy vessel
Then all contributions show up 😄
Public ones, you know... github.
spiral robin
mossy vessel
spiral robin
Do you ever do company meetups
mossy vessel
In person? Yes Online? Yes
ashen cliff
Make sure they are at 3 AM.
mossy vessel
You're occasionally invited to events like Kubecon, CDcon and now DevOps world in September
mossy vessel
sadgers
spiral robin
Ur sadgers
mossy vessel
No 
rare python
Is there a particular reason why my PR has had nothing happen, is it in a queue? has it just been forgotten? is there some discussion going on about it?
simple garden
is there away to give access to 1 tellraw command and keep the rest from being able to be used
golden gust
It's on the list of stuff to do and I feel like ass
I'm not 100% fond of adding 200 methods onto bukkit
but, bukkit never really added a good class for that outside of unsafe, bleh
rare python
If there is a better place for it to go, then it can be moved. But I couldn't think of anywhere.
tawdry hazel
what was the website that generated animations with a heart clock and that
magic river
but, bukkit never really added a good class for that outside of unsafe, bleh
I think the real problem here is that Bukkit only has Block instances while vanilla has Block singletons so all of the global/template altering things end up having to go on World or Server and then all the things on Server are duplicated on Bukkit
magic river
If there is a better place for it to go, then it can be moved. But I couldn't th...
btw I think you should patch the server to make this per-world and then put these methods on World
Unless Paper is planning on giving up on trying to pretend Worlds are practically different servers entirely that just share player data and connections
Kind of looks like they are based on the talks around handling datapack dimensions and such but that might be me just remembering what I think they should do instead 😛
rare python
I was thinking of making an event to allow plugins to change explosion resistance on the fly on a per block basis, but I assumed that could be laggy.
If I am wrong, do say, as I would love to implement it.
golden gust
Bukkit doesn't even have block instances, the thing they do have is a glorified location object
An event would probs just induce too much churn, what you'd probs more wanna look at is exposing the calculator I think they had
void void
Twitter
ashen cliff
They never said what year.
fallen grotto
unkempt drift
https://twitter.com/minecraft/status/1542185371219374080
minecraft ded
unkempt jackal
Awwww
brave mountain
Is not my fault either
foggy veldt
@untold meadow is this a meme or do you have a use case for this https://github.com/rymiel/any
untold meadow
this is a very funny mention
i think you actually meant to mention the bestest and greatest @little frost
untold meadow
no worries :p
little frost
i had an use for it when i was testing a thing; but i don't directly use it any more
idk, what about it? c++ has std::any, it's not a far-fetched concept
foggy veldt
Nothing really, I was just trying to think of a case where it would be used so I was wondering if there was a example
You came up on my GitHub discover and I recognized the name so I was lurking
little frost
🤔
i used it in a LR(1) parsing automaton which could create a tree out of Any nodes. didn't need that tho because recursive descent parsing is so much easier
twin lagoon
@untold meadow best kezz ?
little frost
truee
copper cliff
vestal jasper
Idr where to check but it seems something is, yeah
worthy geode
/tp ~ ~64 ~ to get it up again 👀
void void
seems to be
ashen cliff
Offline mode bingo.
frank otter
can we finally fill the middle square with "well msa broke and I wanna play now"
knotty iris
https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/noencryption.102902/
disable chat reporting
void void
kinda misleading name too
knotty iris
mfw its literally already disabled
wdym, and why are you so aggressive
cunning raft
all chat messages are already sent as system messages for now
which are not reportable
well
just not signed
knotty iris
all chat messages are already sent as system messages for now
spigot might change that
vernal moth
paper might also change that
spiral robin
vernal moth
but right now, all thus is fuss for nothing
warm anchor
mossy vessel
hello aber
spiral robin
Hello!!!!
tropic flame
Offline mode bingo.
this is why I can't rely on mojang auth!!
ashen cliff
Fact.
spiral robin
mild rune
quiet echo
I've seen some people saying stuff that is basically "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear" regarding the proposed reporting system. In reality it is "if you send a chat message you have everything to fear".
This system has major flaws
coarse venture
you do you buddy
quiet echo
As proposed, it is just as damaging to an innocent player as a malicious one
If there is any possible context in which your message can be seen as bad, it can be reported in that context
Even a simple "yes" can be twisted into you being abusive
There is a 30 second video demonstrating the issue in the readme.
unkempt jackal
how does this fabric mod accomplish this
quiet echo
You cant manipulate someone else's message but context around a message can be deleted. Additionally you can generate your own messages and timestamp them however you want
spiral robin
foggy silo
Timestamps are included in the message signature? 🤔
quiet echo
Timestamps are included in the message signature? 🤔
They do but they are entirely generated by the client
You cant change someone else's timestamps but you can sign a message saying you sent it at any time
unkempt drift
yeah, that tracks. so you just sign a message faking that you sent it before someone elses
you include that in the context, and suddenly, the context around the other person's message is totally different
quiet echo
Exactly
foggy silo
Yeah nvm I get that then.
Yeah that's tricky, hopefully they will be working on a solution around this.
vernal moth
It's a fabricated edge case 🤷♂️
But they are aware
We have made suggestions that would fix this
quiet echo
It's a fabricated edge case 🤷♂️
The current bugtracker report talks only of someone removing context, not generating it
unkempt drift
could be privated, idk
vernal moth
We have other means of communication
mossy vessel
I've seen some people saying stuff that is basically "if you have nothing to hid...
I fear a lot opening this channel. My biggest fear is losing braincells
foggy silo
We have other means of communication
🕊️ this is a pigeon
unkempt jackal
world war 1 long range communication energy
quiet echo
Even if you never get hit by this yourself, the sheer fact that it is possible as is means that the authenticity of every single report has to be called into question
foggy silo
There's most likely why 1.19.1 has been delayed for a bit.
foggy silo
^
quiet echo
How do you know the context wasnt literally "I dare you to say this"
vestal jasper
I feel like asking such questions in chat is also questionable
quiet echo
You quite literally cant know that if this exploit exists
vernal moth
If I dare you to shoot somebody and you do it you still end in jail, lol
quiet echo
If I dare you to shoot somebody and you do it you still end in jail, lol
Sure do. Know what happens to someone that hires a hitman?
spiral robin
Relax, it’s a block game
Comparing a block game to a hitman is quite the pepega move
Until this shit has actually released all of your panic is totally uncalled for
quiet echo
They compared it to daring someone to shoot another person
quiet echo
Until this shit has actually released all of your panic is totally uncalled for
If we dont talk about it, it would be released with flaws. The panic is justified
warm anchor
They are well aware of the issues
spiral robin
quiet echo
I feel like asking such questions in chat is also questionable
What sort of questions? It can be literally any message that can be miscontrued
tall obsidian
Paper not have any development guide? 
vernal moth
You are just repeating the shit the 100 people before you said
warm anchor
Stop with the dumb assumptions and stop being outraged typical social media addict
rancid latch
Until this shit has actually released all of your panic is totally uncalled for
bedrock edition's moderation is famous for being completely flawless and having no issues with false bans
vernal moth
You are also talking to us, not to Mojang
quiet echo
We are spreading the word that there is a problem so more people speak out
vestal jasper
I found the word. I'm not sure mojang would appreciate players trying to coerce others into saying bad things.
If your messages paint their messages in a bad light, and theirs are fine on their own, that's reason for some level of suspicion imo.
vernal moth
bedrock edition's moderation is famous for being completely flawless and having ...
Java isn't bedrock, comparing them makes no sense, they are way different
rancid latch
Java isn't bedrock, comparing them makes no sense, they are way different
its the same company...
quiet echo
Java isn't bedrock, comparing them makes no sense, they are way different
This is the worst take ever
vernal moth
We are spreading the word that there is a problem so more people speak out
You are spreading FUD
golden gust
worse take ever
quiet echo
You are spreading FUD
Im spreading information about the flaws in the only proposed report system
vernal moth
its the same company...
Different studios, different target audience, different teams, different tech, different methods, basically different games
golden gust
literally two entirely seperate systems
rancid latch
"yeah so they totally messed up moderation on a platform they had more control over, but guys dont worry, theyll get it perfect this time when they have less control"
golden gust
literally two entirely seperate forms management
As has been said, people have made them aware of it
vernal moth
Im spreading information about the flaws in the only proposed report system
You don't need to spread stuff to us, in fact, you don't need to spread it to anyone, Mojang is the only one that needs to be informed and they know, so all you are doing is creating fear, uncertainty and doubt
golden gust
spreading FUD to cause a brigade is not how you get mojangs attention, they've published places to send constructive feedback about the system, etc
vestal jasper
Mojang doesn't get a copy of the signed messages do they? Or are they only aware of messages sent by reports
quiet echo
If people dont know the problems, they cant give proper feedback
vernal moth
Mojang doesn't get a copy of the signed messages do they? Or are they only aware...
Only what's included in a report
vernal moth
If people dont know the problems, they cant give proper feedback
Mojang got enough feedback, no need for more by uninformed people
Just chill and wait for Mojangs response
little frost
mojang doesn't develop the game in some secluded mountain range with no human contact
golden gust
(x) Doubt
vagrant marlin
people seem to be missing the point that they wont back out on this
quasi valley
is contact with cat really human contact
rancid latch
mojang doesn't develop the game in some secluded mountain range with no human co...
I mean, the response so far has been overwhelmingly "we dont want this", so hopefully they act on that
quiet echo
Mojang got enough feedback, no need for more by uninformed people
Just chill and...
The more people that know about it, the more people will be critical of things like this in future
golden gust
Kneny
little frost
oh no we let cat represent us
quiet echo
Why should we not share a working exploit?
vernal moth
The more people that know about it, the more people will be critical of things l...
You are only rallying up dum minions, you aren't helping
golden gust
and I will remove a battery from all of your devices
vestal jasper
Yeah I don't see this being a massive worry, it sounds like have or will have a handle on it
quasi valley
vernal moth
Why should we not share a working exploit?
Absolutely not. Exploits should be responsibly disclosed
rancid latch
Absolutely not. Exploits should be responsibly disclosed
the issue is already public 🤷♀️
vestal jasper
Now there's a ton of people in this server that now know about it
quiet echo
Now there's a ton of people in this server that now know about it
Good.
rancid latch
someone made a video, we dropped the proof of concept we'd been sitting on
vestal jasper
They've also disclosed numerous times that they're not taking any action on reports sent rn
vagrant marlin
ok
quiet echo
If they didnt know, they could've been hit by it
vernal moth
There is literally nothing new here
spiral robin
Holy shit LMAO
vestal jasper
Aka, you'd be exploiting something that isn't even in use :D
vernal moth
Mojang as been aware before you guys did anything
vagrant marlin
ive seen nothing new about this since profanity was removed
vernal moth
Do you really think they are dumb?
rancid latch
i mean, they did publish this snapshot, so they clearly werent always aware
lament patio
Snapshot
vernal moth
Do you know how game development works?
They iterate on a feature until it's good enough
A snapshot is never ever representative of the final product
vagrant marlin
snapshot is production ready™️
quiet echo
This is literally a release candidate
smoky cloud
Still not a final
quiet echo
It was the proposed version of the code
little frost
This is literally a release candidate
there's probably a reason the current release is being delayed, did you think about that?
vagrant marlin
they delayed the release, maybe it is to fix some flaws 😱
spiral robin
there's probably a reason the current release is being delayed, did you think ab...
No logic, only drama!
little frost
there have been multiple release candidates before too
lament patio
Containing a feature explictly marked as there to receive feedback
quiet echo
As far as we are aware in the community, since they wont talk to us about it, it is the same system going into the full game
little frost
well you've been repeatedly told no
vernal moth
Maybe just wait till they have something to share then?
smoky cloud
Imagine not discussing an exploit that hasn’t been fixed yet
vestal jasper
22w24a
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please stop worrying about something that isn't even being used yet
quiet echo
We literally released this before it could impact anyone
vernal moth
This isn't even an exploit, it's an edge case, that's an important distinction
smoky cloud
Did you make any attempt to disclose it responsibly?
vernal moth
You did nothing, people were aware way before, lol
You only create drama
It's tiring
lament patio
At this point all of this is just assuming the absolute worst, blowing every flaw out of proportion and attempting it to use it as a description of the final product
quiet echo
This isn't even an exploit, it's an edge case, that's an important distinction
So you think it is intentional behaviour to let me manipulate the context? Lets not get into the semantics about what an exploit is
quiet echo
At this point all of this is just assuming the absolute worst, blowing every fla...
When we have no other info, what can we do?
lament patio
Not assume and create fud
quiet echo
why doesnt VAC concern people on community run tf2 servers?
You cant get other people banned through VAC
smoky cloud
Disclose responsibility, give a reasonable amount of time before going public
golden gust
Mojang literally has channels to report such stuff
Mojang is literally asking for feedback on the system
smoky cloud
Immediately releasing a working exploit is fucking moronic
rancid latch
I love the cryptobro strategy of calling everything negative fud even though mojang have proven with bedrock their moderation is terrible
vernal moth
So you think it is intentional behaviour to let me manipulate the context? Lets ...
Context is client authorative so it's not intentional but not preventable and they knew that. It's only ment to be an assistant, not the proper reason for a ban
golden gust
stirring the pot and causing a brigade just causes a fuckton of noise
bedrock is literally irrelevant here
vagrant marlin
You cant get other people banned through VAC
well, in csgo you can report people for abusive communications
on community run servers
its the exact same
why arent people concerned?
vernal moth
I love the cryptobro strategy of calling everything negative fud even though moj...
Again, bedrock isn't comparable as the system is waaay different
They also have way other legal responsibilities
Cause App Stores are way tighter
vestal jasper
I love the cryptobro strategy of calling everything negative fud even though moj...
Which could very likely be an entirely different team of people
quiet echo
its the exact same
I cant speak to how it works there so i dont know why someone may or may not be concerned. As far as minecraft, I am very knowledgable on the inner workings.
vernal moth
Anyways, you are running in circles, there is nothing you can accomplish here
Leave us alone with your FUD
We don't care
quiet echo
All I wanted to show was that the people saying "dont say bad things and you will be fine" are wrong. Even innocent things in the wrong context are bad