general

[spare venture]

for that price

[vagrant marlin]

that is a terrible price

i have spoken

[raw tide]

@lament patio Do you know a host that is better and affordable?

[lament patio]

What's your budget?

[raw tide]

Uhh 20$/month I think is fair.

[vagrant marlin]

bloom.host is good

[lament patio]

Check out bloom.host's 8GB plan ^

[raw tide]

Tysm

[vagrant marlin]

:=)

[mild rune]

I like their feature of being able to split the ram between multiple servers

really unique

[lilac moon]

thank goodness there's blazing fast 🚀 memory safe 🚀 minecraft server

[vagrant marlin]

except its becoming pretty common on modern premium hosts

[ashen cliff]

It's not like you couldn't do it before DIY style.

Even running a MC server on a god damn Wordpress hosting can be done.

[mild rune]

well usually cost more

[unkempt jackal]

Pebble host let's you do it now too

[warm anchor]

Yeah because otherwise they ain’t getting good customers

[ashen cliff]

But god damn, that's a nice profit margin right there.
Like, if they don't oversell at all, 216 USD..
If they oversell just the cores 252 USD.

[vagrant marlin]

they have xms = xmx iirc, so kinda hard to oversell

[raw tide]

Do you think this would be okay for 5 - 10 players at a time, around 4 plugins, and on the latest version of Minecraft?

[ashen cliff]

That's what I meant just cores.

[vagrant marlin]

just fine

[ashen cliff]

Since the server probably has 128GB of memory.

[raw tide]

Is it overkill for that?

Cause I don't wanna pay money for something I'm not gonna use to the full ability.

[warm anchor]

It will work fine

[vagrant marlin]

quite possibly overkill

[ashen cliff]

Don't they have the ability to just "upgrade" later without data loss?

[warm anchor]

Yes if there is slots. Most host can anyway

[vagrant marlin]

this would probably be "fine" too

what plugins will you use?

but id personally go with the 6gb essential server for what you're going to have, 4gb is starting to be a bit too low for modern mc

[warm anchor]

I am a fan of overkill than suffering if I don’t have enough

[raw tide]

Coreprotect, FastWorldEdit, NoCheatPlus, Invsee, Supervanish, Packetlibs

That's probably it.

Maybe AdminEssentials

As well

[vagrant marlin]

id say the 6gb one is good then

but for an extra 4 bucks, the 8gb plan wouldnt hurt

you'd have way more room to breath with that

[raw tide]

Double the ram for only 4 bucks more that's worth it i think

If I do the server split thing do I need to setup Velocity?

[warm anchor]

Ask the host. They likely have stuff preset

[cunning raft]

AdminEssentials?

[visual egret]

tomorrow I stress test the 1.5.2 server

[cunning raft]

@waxen panther stay posted for this

[waxen panther]

I’ve got notifs on for it

there should be a mailing list too

[warm anchor]

Hi @cunning raft my essentials kept on nagging me about it being outdated. How do I disable this message??

[raw tide]

I don’t like to use Essentials is has soooo much extra commands that I don’t need.

Like I don’t need /disposal or /kittycannon for my vanilla server

[warm anchor]

Would you be interested in EssentialsxLite in the future?

[cunning raft]

What is AdminEssentials tho

Link me

[raw tide]

Never mind I can’t find the plugin, I saw a server use it before tho although it could have been custom. Like I just need a plugin like Essentials but with a lot less commands.

[novel horizon]

https://dev.bukkit.org/projects/adminess 👀

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/adminessentials.11392/ 👀

[worthy geode]

I can give you an essentials plugin without kittycannon but with a lot of other things you definitely don't need

in the end, just don't use what you don't need

[novel horizon]

Yep just use cmi u need it

[raw tide]

What’s CMI?

[novel horizon]

It's forbidden thing

[warm anchor]

Nooooo

[novel horizon]

👀

Yeah!

[warm anchor]

You know you can disable command right lol

[raw tide]

It’s this one

[novel horizon]

in the forbidden thing? 👀

[warm anchor]

In essentials

[novel horizon]

ew

[raw tide]

The only commands I want are

/invsee
/fly
/heal
/gmc,gms,gmsp,gma
/ban & /tempban
/mute
/kick
Per gamemode permissions
Chat formatting

[worthy geode]

vanilla has ban and kick commands

[warm anchor]

Just make the default group in LuckPerm to only allow to use those command

[novel horizon]

Either don't assign/set permissions to false on LP or disable the commands in EssX

[latent sable]

invsee is really stupid

[worthy geode]

why?

[raw tide]

What? Why?

[latent sable]

because you cannot remove curse of binding items from their inventories

if they cant

you cant

[raw tide]

Hmmmm

Try InvSee plugin?

[worthy geode]

OpenInv > everything

[warm anchor]

Use openinv which also works for offline player

[latent sable]

thank you

I will try it out now

[raw tide]

Is Openinv the best one?

[warm anchor]

To me it’s a tool that’s must have

[novel horizon]

I use OpenInv

Kinda nice

[worthy geode]

I've used it a lot and it never failed me. Not sure if its "the best", but it does the job very well

[lament patio]

I use InvSee++ because it was the first thing I found

[latent sable]

essentials has been lacking a bit but I hope that when 1.19 proper comes out they will fix stuff

[novel horizon]

What stuff

[worthy geode]

OpenInv has very convenient commands to search all online players inventories/enderchests for certain items

[latent sable]

well invsee for one, essx chat doesnt have a clear chat feature which i would call "essential" their discord chat mirror sometimes prevents certain things from reaching console.. like chat

[warm anchor]

I only ever use it to mess with my ferried

[novel horizon]

You have ferrieds?

How

[warm anchor]

Friend*

[novel horizon]

Yeah, how do you get them

Wanna be my friend, EterNity? ❤️

[worthy geode]

there is small possibility that I added a dupe at one point, or maybe it even happened twice. and maayyybe that helped me to find the players who duped.
But no, ofc I never added dupes

[novel horizon]

👀

[warm anchor]

You spam people with anime emojis

[novel horizon]

I was scared now

[warm anchor]

You are already here so you are already my friend

[novel horizon]

I thought you said that to the second msg

And I was like .. what..

[worthy geode]

[novel horizon]

❤️

Hmm wait

Does that mean everyone is your friend

So I'm not special or anything 😦

[warm anchor]

[novel horizon]

[cunning raft]

Essentials does take bug reports and feature requests

[placid thicket]

so i got this problem where some of my players are getting hardcore hearts, for some people it persists till they log off, some people it doesn't go away for a day or two. but if they die while in this state they get met with the hardcore death screen and a prompt to respawn in spectator. again this will happen to maybe one online player out of 10 at a time. hardcore is off in the level.dat and the server.properties. anything else i could have missed?

[warm anchor]

A plugin can do that

[placid thicket]

i don't have any that should be

AntiEndermanGrief, Chunky, CMI, CMILib, ConsoleSpamFix, CoreProtect, DiscordSRV, dynmap, InventoryRollbackPlus, LastLoginAPI, LibsDisguises, LuckPerms, MarriageMaster, OpenInv, OreAnnouncer, Plan, PlayerParticles, PlugManX (PlugMan), ProCosmetics, ProtocolLib, StaffPlus, UltimateAutoRestart, Vault, VaultChatFormatter*, voicechat, Votifier, VotingPlugin, WorldEdit, WorldGuard

[rare python]

Ew legacy plugin

[warm anchor]

You never know

[golden gust]

Luck fixed that 2 years ago, but never did a release lol

[warm anchor]

I’ve seen a map plugin that will cause your world to not save properly so your best choice is to binary search

[novel horizon]

CMI

[unkempt jackal]

If you're not running at least one legacy plugin on your production server, are you even human?

[lament patio]

46 plugins, none is legacy

[timber mauve]

dose anyone in here know how to make a database for ubuntu 20.04 linux vps

mariadb

[upbeat falcon]

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[novel horizon]

Google? Huh, neat!

[latent sable]

do any of you know what file the message for kicked for flying is

im changing it to "your internet is trash"

[novel horizon]

Yes

[latent sable]

so people would stop complaining

[novel horizon]

You might try looking into Paper config 👀

[latent sable]

i looked at the paper config

this does not look like "Flying is not enabled on this server"

[novel horizon]

Because that's...

It changes based on language

[latent sable]

nah nah i saw it

somewhere

[novel horizon]

It was before, not anymore

[void void]

flying-player, you can still change it to whatever you want

it just won't automatically translate if you do

[novel horizon]

When you use this, it changes based on clients language

[latent sable]

when did that change

1.19?

[novel horizon]

I think so ^^

[void void]

yeah, it was changed with the config update

to default to that translatable component

[latent sable]

why isnt that the default

way way way waaaay more people get kicked for bad ping over cheating in flying

[novel horizon]

It's not common for people to get kicked because of ping, it depends on things, so.. Either way it doesn't matter put there what do you want

[latent sable]

oh uhm do any of you know mcmmo here

[novel horizon]

what lol

[latent sable]

the plugin

[novel horizon]

are you asking people to send it to you without you buying it?

[latent sable]

no i already bought it

[novel horizon]

So what's the problem.. ?

If you need something you can ask in their forum? Idk if they have Discord

They do ^^

[potent wedge]

Yes its cul

[latent sable]

yeah thats the issue

they... dont exist

[potent wedge]

😂

[latent sable]

and 20 dollars is pretty expensive especially when you dont offer any support

[novel horizon]

Well, that's the thing with paid plugins

[brave mountain]

The change on 1.19.1 are quite controversial

[novel horizon]

🤷‍♂️

[potent wedge]

20 dollars is ligit ripoff

No buy.

[latent sable]

I actually have more of a problem that staff like dont exist over its price

[brave mountain]

There is even a plugin to disable the feature by Ms

[novel horizon]

So what's the problem? I am kinda confused, wdym no support or anything.. And what change controversial? lol

[latent sable]

idk, i have never used mcmmo lmao

[woeful hull]

reporting sy stem

[novel horizon]

what

[latent sable]

my players are complaining that the levelling system is "wrong"

and i dont know what its supposed to look like

[novel horizon]

Well you are supposed to change it lol you can edit it

Slow it a little

[latent sable]

again

i do not know what it is supposed to look like

[novel horizon]

Ask players what they want lol

[latent sable]

oh they explain to to me

[novel horizon]

It's what it is, if you want something different, you change the configuration

[latent sable]

but not in helpful config language

its in literal in game want language

[woeful hull]

after finding out there's a report system in 1.19... I may not update to 1.19

[latent sable]

do you plan on saying something that will get you permanently banned

[novel horizon]

Okay

[latent sable]

because if you arent then why would you care

[novel horizon]

Don't update if you don't want to, but also read the info from Mojang, lots of misinformation..

[woeful hull]

because I know how people are, they will do what ever to remove people who have different opinions.

[novel horizon]

Okay

[brave mountain]

exactly

[novel horizon]

That's not what's supposed to happen, but idc that much

[brave mountain]

abuse of the feature

[latent sable]

have you seen it used that way?

[knotty iris]

any server jar that supports spigot and forge mods?

[novel horizon]

No, Titan

There's some projects, but most of them aren't great

[brave mountain]

spigot is not mods

[novel horizon]

Some are better, some are worse

You should not combine it, you can find lots of great mods for most things

[lament patio]

Probably, though none works decently

[brave mountain]

must be a java engineer/architect

[woeful hull]

question for yea, do you pay attention to how people use features like that?
Do you also pay attention to how companies like Microsoft do things?

They won't pay humans to review all the reports and if they do, the workers will just ban and not read things, just to make their jobs easier... as they're pretty souless these days.

I hope paper has a method of being able to block the feature or there won't be any updating to 1.19 until it's removed permanenty after too many people complain to it being abused.

[latent sable]

I see petty moderations being automated

but a basically general game ban

[novel horizon]

Paper won't block the feature

There might be plugin that interferes with it

🤷‍♂️

[latent sable]

nah

no chance

[lament patio]

I really don't see the reports being too frequent to the point of overwhelming content reviewers, not in Minecraft

Plus the guidelines are very lenient

[latent sable]

nobody is being banned from an entire game over a 12 year old getting mad at someone elses opinion

[lament patio]

That's not bannable

[latent sable]

exactly

[brave mountain]

For some reason there is a warning each time (for the first time you run) you go to the custom server section of Minecraft both Java and Bedrock

[latent sable]

you have to do something

mm what is the word im looking for

oh *bannable

to be banned

[unkempt jackal]

Because mojang wants you to pay for realms instead of being smart and awesome

[vague lagoon]

i highly doubt they would remove it

[novel horizon]

🤦‍♂️

[woeful hull]

There's also the fact that server owners have very different rules than Microsoft. We do have most of the basic stuff, but Microsoft wishes for kid friendly, but server owners don't always care for keeping everything kid friendly, because there are many servers out there that are not such a thing. I for one allow profanity and such on my server in moderation, as well as other things like topics that would get most people kicked off a server.

I don't really get why the feature was even added to self hosted servers.

What you view as bannable is not the same as what Microsoft views as bannable.

[novel horizon]

Read the thing in case you were reading a lot of misinformation ^^

[latent sable]

Ok but the issue is that us server owners cannot* age gate a minecraft server

there isnt an option in the config that says minimum-age-to-join: 18

[unkempt jackal]

Age doesn't matter for the current report options

[brave mountain]

If Minecraft were only Realms, would not have the community it has now

[vague lagoon]

they removed the profanity category

[woeful hull]

lol I wonder why xD

[warm anchor]

The 18+ adult server I used to frequent use whitelist and verify via google sheet

You can join lobby but you need to be verified by admin to actually join the server

It’s a good model if you are keeping children safe

[woeful hull]

I figured there are people who do that out there.

I know this feature is gonna do major damage to 2b2t, as the players over there would abuse that feature into oblivion to just get rid of those they wanted to run out for years.

[novel horizon]

🙂

[warm anchor]

I don’t think chat report works for older version

You should read the FAQ page on the official site

Do you need the link?

I can find it for you

[brave mountain]

2b2t will die if chat report get enabled lol

[woeful hull]

sure

[novel horizon]

One more message about THIS

[woeful hull]

exactly, which is why Mojang should of put their foot down when they had this feature being forced onto them by Microsoft.

[warm anchor]

https://help.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/7149823936781

[novel horizon]

And nothing because I don't care lol

[warm anchor]

This is the latest information

[novel horizon]

But people ..

[sinful urchin]

thank you so much!

[potent wedge]

They probably did on slot of other things it's just they put their foot down before it reached us

Microsoft

1. doesnt care about them anymore or is forcing this on them
2. They put their foot down too much

[sinful urchin]

i updated the wiki!

[vagrant marlin]

boo-hoo rip 2b2t

who asked that 2b2t gon die?

[novel horizon]

No one

[sinful urchin]

there are already mods that strip the signatures out of chat messages - i dont think it'll be too difficult to avoid reports. for now at least

https://modrinth.com/mod/no-chat-reports

[unkempt jackal]

the easiest way to avoid chat reports is to not send messages

[warm anchor]

If you can follow this discord rule, you will never be in trouble anyway

Or you know be a decent human being?

[golden gust]

I have a problem with that

as a brit...

[warm anchor]

Lol

[novel horizon]

We know, cat

[vagrant marlin]

its hard to be a human being as a brit

thankfully i am not brit

[half escarp]

I think the report system will eventually help microsoft get rid of those alt account websites as eventually someone is getting reported if hundreds of people use the same account

[warm anchor]

Minestorm?

[woeful hull]

lol

[unkempt jackal]

this channel is like one of those broken world seeds that repeats the same generation over and over again

[golden gust]

ur IQ is a broken world seed

[unkempt jackal]

yeah

[woeful hull]

Thing is we already have been getting rid of those accounts ourselves as a massive Community. Heck there's plugins out there that help auto ban those types of accounts. There's even sites out there with the list of such accounts.

[warm anchor]

There is no centralized ban list though

Which is going to be a plus and reduce additional admin work

[unkempt jackal]

[plucky plaza]

this branding is getting a little out of hand

XD

[lilac moon]

wdym out of hand

[plucky plaza]

also this

[plucky plaza]

"forge arclight (Velocity) server"

[lilac moon]

idk what forge arc light is

[plucky plaza]

it's spigot/forge hybrid

So spigot plugins on a forge server

[lilac moon]

I mean isn't it normal for the server to show its brand

[plucky plaza]

It's normally just 1 or 2 brands "Vanilla (Velocity) server" or "Paper server" but here it is 3 different brands combined

[lilac moon]

O is arclight a different brand

[lament patio]

Fun fact, F3 freaks out a little if you set server brand to §k

[plucky plaza]

Would like to find out but I'm to lazy to compile anything right now

[lilac moon]

does it make the entire thing magic or just the one line

[lament patio]

Iirc it's just that line

[lilac moon]

nice

[latent sable]

smh anyone trying to come over im lonely

[lone bridge]

so I think I asked like 12 hours ago but passed out - anyone know why when I use /locate to find a deep dark biome it doesn't work? like, it sends me to a meadow biome or something random. doesn't matter what Y coordinate I'm at, it's certainly not a deep dark biome

not to mention it sent me to a chunk I know was generated pre-1.19

[golden gust]

The way that search works kinda relies on what would be generated there if it was a 1.19 world, iirc

[lone bridge]

ahhh got it

[unkempt jackal]

and deep dark/ancient cities are more common underneath mountain biomes like meadow

[lone bridge]

I'm aware of that @unkempt jackal but it didn't matter how far down Y I went, there was no deep dark

it's all good, pretty sure my friends are keen to start a new world now that we're on 1.19

[red halo]

no the chat is already moderated on that server via shadow mutes due to laws that require it

[red halo]

yep only abuse will cause issues

[red halo]

they already did that :)

alt websites now sell stolen accounts for almost the same price as legitimate ones

[half escarp]

Some websites do that for free

[drifting aurora]

Personally, I think that the report system is kinda stupid...

2. I'm pretty sure there is a security hole in the Microsoft report system that can cause players to get falsely banned.```

[true canyon]

If you have identified a security hole report it to Mojang. They would really want to know, and you'd be saving people.

and "freedom of speech" is generally referring to your government not being allowed to suppress speech, not private business. The USA's 1st amendment, for example, doesn't stop a business from blocking you.

[drifting aurora]

I'm not saying that's illegal, I'm just saying that they shouldn't have.... (in my opinion)

[true canyon]

The paradox of tolerance becomes relevant here.

[golden gust]

You have the freedom to say whatever the heck you want

[mild rune]

D: you said heck

[novel horizon]

D:

fuck

[golden gust]

People also have the freedom to not listen to you and eject you from their spaces if they do not like your speach

[drifting aurora]

By this point it's really just up to personal opinions....

I guess there is no point to argue over this anymore....

[spiral robin]

@warm anchor

[warm anchor]

@spiral robin

[spiral robin]

[mild rune]

[little frost]

how about you just dont say things

[lilac moon]

no one's gonna waste hundreds of accounts for no reason lol

aren't they more expensive now because MSA

[silver nexus]

That's such a waste of time.

[golden gust]

and I'm sure that those people will just stick to servers which will disable that thing, or the moderation team will just play pong as they're payed to do

[lilac moon]

yeah

[golden gust]

probs not

[daring laurel]

lol

[golden gust]

Not that mojang hasn't already been banning accounts for doing illegal things where needed/viable

[spare venture]

if you want all the terrorists, pedophiles, hate speech enthusiasts, by all means take em and keep them away from the rest of us

[ripe sphinx]

Let's not jump to conclusions when the bloody thing isn't even finished yet

[grand pewter]

anyone else enable enforce-secure-profile 😄

[ripe sphinx]

Moderation will be done by humans, we do know that

[spare venture]

i’m going off their word where they said their main target are terrorists, pedophiles, people committing illegal acts, extreme harassment, hate speech, etc

[grand pewter]

i mean automation would create more work for them

[spare venture]

so mojang has microsoft’s assistance on this one and they have ran xbox live for 2 decades now

so i don’t really know where you’re coming from on this one

if anything it’d be easier to moderate minecraft because there are less online users and everything is text, no voice chat

is it chaos on other games

and there’s no indication of automation, either

why can’t you

cod warzone accounts are free

if anything it’d be easier

but there is no outcry of people being shadow banned there

in order to report someone you have to report their chat?? lol

wild assumptions on how everything will play out

i’m sure it will work that way and i’m sure they will be auto banned /s

i’m sure it’ll be exactly like eula reporting where you can get a server banned by spam reporting them

oh wait you can’t

[ripe sphinx]

I'm sure they also have anti-bot systems in place, since they know that there will be tons of false reports

[spare venture]

why do you assume they will automate it lol

their help articles indicate it is not automated

https://help.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/4408964729869-Why-Have-I-Been-Banned-from-Minecraft-

and if you’re worried about being banned, just don’t play on a server that requires signed messages

[warm anchor]

or you know... just dont be an asshole (?)

actually I dont even think asshole is bannable offense by the official guideline

[spare venture]

have they said a single thing that indicates you’ll be falsely banned

ah yes ignoring pedophiles is the correct way to stop them

what have they said that makes you think that

yeah because those can be equated to a hypothetical ban system

you know the saying about assuming?

[ripe sphinx]

Unless you're an asshole who uses revenge porn or threatens harm / tells people to self-harm, no, no it doesn't

(it would be a nice rule, but then that would rightfully cause an angry mob)

[warm anchor]

alternatively, you can wait and see how it plays out instead of making accusation based on speculation. The concern is real but the current trend of being outraged for something prematurely is also a bad social media trend.

[spare venture]

yeah i’m tired of having this conversation over and over

[warm anchor]

PaperMC general without someone mentioning chat signing every hour challenge (impossible)

[ripe sphinx]

I wish there was a way for paper to have an offical "go away" canned response because yeah it does get irritating

[mild rune]

yeaaah

[ripe sphinx]

cough eternity make it happen pls cough

[mild rune]

69

[spare venture]

9

[warm anchor]

it will come when it gets bad enough probably by @swift root or @coarse lily You wouldnt want me to write anything official because my broken English

[spare venture]

the answer is you’re bad at asking questions

[warm anchor]

at this point, what can be said is already said tbf so I do see your point of not wanting it

especially you know the system hasnt even being used yet. No one has been reported yet and no one has been falsely banned at all.

[mild rune]

yeah every discussion is basically the same now

[ripe sphinx]

"Please do not discuss the new reporting system here. It is not yet out, we do not know how exactly it will work. If you do wish to discuss it, please do so on the forum thread <link>. Here are some official links from Mojang explaining the system: <links>.
Further discussion will result in mutes"

[spare venture]

not only will the discussion have no impact on the banning system, it just gets people annoyed

i love the eula, i can sell anything on my server essentially

except for anything illegal i guess

they changed it like 2 years ago

no prize on my server

[warm anchor]

Just call it something else

[mild rune]

Back cloth

[ripe sphinx]

Well they don't permit anything that could be considered a competitive advantage, so like no selling in-game currency if you have a baltop, no selling weapons if you have a PVP server, etc. it's pretty damn permissive though, as long as it isn't p2w.

[spare venture]

baltop is a gray area and i have yet to see a single server punished for that

[ripe sphinx]

Yeah that's fair since due to most servers have either an admin shop or player-player item selling means any item technically could be considered ptw, even if the item is like rotten potato

[spare venture]

their enforcement pattern seems like they are targeting servers that have cash payouts for being at the top of a leaderboard (and selling stuff that impacts it), and pvp servers

[ripe sphinx]

yeah that makes sense, obviously those are the worst offenders

p2w to get to the top of baltop (assuming no payouts / other prizes) isn't something that bothers me too much, but based off how I'm reading EULA I'm pretty sure it's still technically in violation

[spare venture]

what?

[ripe sphinx]

and that is one of the converstations that's been had hundreds of times

at least the automation discussion I hadn't seen happen before

[spare venture]

oh we’re circling back huh

[ripe sphinx]

remember changing a false to true in eula.txt?

[warm anchor]

Minecraft asset belongs to Mojang and you agreeing to EULA means you agrees to the terms

I dont think you can start the server without agreeing to it

[ripe sphinx]

I mean they do have a valid point of using no mojang code in the server though, i.e. if I was to run sponge, what would happen / what am I bound by legally?

sponge doesn't have any mojang code afaik, it was born out of the CraftBukkit mess if I remember my history right

afaik no it's completely ground-up by community specifically to avoid copyright issues a la CB

(I might be misremembering my history though, someone please correct me if I'm wrong)

I mean there's what I call "vanilla" and "true vanilla".
Paper is "vanilla", all the core mechanics work identically, but some of the quirks get broken (i.e. highly technical farms, broken because of some of paper's optimizations).
Fabric is "true vanilla", just providing a modloader etc, no actual changes.

A "vanilla" implementation is "easy", a "true vanilla" impl would pretty much require you replicate the original code, since you never know what people will (ab)use, like I remember seeing some video abusing how hashmaps order stuff to do chunkloading. Use a different map implementation there, boom, broken, now you're just "vanilla"

[spare venture]

it avoids the bukkit problems, but it’s not clean room

[lilac moon]

what's above vanilla

[spare venture]

glowstone is an example of a project that has no mojang code

[waxen panther]

no bitches either

[ripe sphinx]

wat

[lilac moon]

Flowstone

Glowstone

[coarse lily]

Hello

[warm anchor]

[coarse lily]

Yeah should have something written up this week.

[potent wedge]

Don't write something up tell

The entire community is weeb

Right paper chan body pillow?

[coarse lily]

. . . what?

[potent wedge]

I think you should know I'm dumb and I'm drugged on melatonin so

[pastel reef]

Doesn't the cross server chat reporting become completely void when moderators add a chat filter plugin?

[ripe sphinx]

Eh at this current second yes, for a multitude of reasons. However, systems are in place so chat filter plugins can exist and still allow messages to be signed and thus reportable, they just haven't been fully implemented in paper yet due to how new and radical a change it is

[grand pewter]

you cant report people for profanity iirc

[ripe sphinx]

oh also that too

[grand pewter]

so filter plugins are still useful

[coarse lily]

At this current second none of the forks implement the system, so it's irrelevant.

[night parcel]

A plugin dev attacked me that im toxic in this discord and i always get kicked for my behavior, while im not even active in discussions

[spiral robin]

Oh

Sorry to hear that :(

[coarse lily]

Maybe it's this interaction?

#paper-help message

[night parcel]

but he say i got kicked 0-0

[spiral robin]

that’ll do it

[night parcel]

multiple times

[coarse lily]

Don't have a record of kicks but you do have two warnings.

[night parcel]

i wanted to make a cracked serve rlong ago, and use his plugin anvil login, but them i gave up and made my server online mode 🙂

[coarse lily]

Ah yeah you were kicked on 11/4/20 and 10/29/20

For both warnings

[night parcel]

i think when i was arguing with michael ?

u know about cheap vps or something

[coarse lily]

But mostly I'm thinking the comment/link above would be the main argument for being "toxic".

[night parcel]

like saying vps is better than dedi or something?

[coarse lily]

No idea.

[night parcel]

yah, but how did he know 0-0, that i got kicked 2 times 2 years ago

is he a stalker 0-0 ?

[coarse lily]

shrugs

Probably logs

[night parcel]

he is admin here?

[coarse lily]

I don't even know who it is.

But probably not.

[spiral robin]

Michael?

[night parcel]

no, the anvil login dev

[coarse lily]

I don't know what that is.

But definitely not.

I dunno. If someone thinks you were "toxic" here and you don't agree, then who cares? If you do, try to be less toxic.

If you end up being too toxic here you'll end up getting banned.

[night parcel]

Author:SamB440 Total Downloads:181,111

[coarse lily]

Especially if you keep commenting on the pride logo / etc.

[night parcel]

it was just once

but how did he know what happened 2 years ago.

[coarse lily]

I don't know.

[night parcel]

I have a stalker 😒

[coarse lily]

And I don't know why you'd ask how we'd know anything about someone we don't know.

It's not hard to come here and search for your messages.

[night parcel]

but really from 2 years ago?

its a lot to search xd

[coarse lily]

Again: no idea. And no way or reason we'd know.

Try to be less toxic in general I guess?

[night parcel]

but how to be less toxic if im not active 0-0

any advice?

[coarse lily]

Nope

Not showing distaste at pride logos is probably a good start, though.

[night parcel]

But i cant help it ;-;

this is why i choose to be inactive ;-;

[coarse lily]

You can't help showing distaste at the pride logo?

[spare venture]

you always have control of what you say

if you don’t have something nice to say, don’t say it

[night parcel]

true ;-;

[spiral robin]

I think you guys are feeding bait rn

[night parcel]

this is why im inactive.

[coarse lily]

I think "I've chosen to stop talking here because I don't like the pride logo" isn't really helping your case.

[night parcel]

why?

[coarse lily]

Step 1 is probably "be more open minded". That's your path to being less toxic.

[night parcel]

im considerate of others feelings

[spare venture]

better convo than chat signing tho

[coarse lily]

But I've spent more time on this than I really care to at this point.

[night parcel]

I almost pinged you ... You cant actually force a belief upon me, i think im nice enough to even stop talking or saying anything that might offend the pride flag bearers

For me, the pride thing, ruined the rainbow forever ;-;

[spare venture]

ok

[lilac moon]

goob

[visual egret]

where’s the belief

I’m not sure science is a thing you can “believe” in

[dusky stump]

yike

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/R9DDcr7A-2022-06-27_10-30-15.png

God dammit it Mojang.

[inland edge]

There is sth i don't understand

What determines how new chunks will generate

the world itself?

server.properties?

[ashen cliff]

Should be level.dat?

[inland edge]

yeah thats what i thought too

but what's the point of server.properties properties like generator-settings, or even seed, or even whether its flat

[peak ginkgo]

the seed is in level.dat

server.properties can set the seed to something predetermined

whatever it IS set to, is stored in level.dat

(and can be retrieved with /seed)

[inland edge]

what if server.properties level-name refers to world with a DIFFERENT seed than the one of the server.properties

[ashen cliff]

In old versions it would overwrite the one in level.dat.
No idea, if that's still the case.

[peak ginkgo]

iirc level-name also dictates the name of the folder it generates so i guess if you changed level-name you'd get a new world folder

server.properties is only for the initial creation of that level.dat file to my understanding

[inland edge]

aha

anyway i have quiet of an issue with a map i updated to 1.19

as I updated my game to 1.19, I realised that my world (which settings are minecraft:floating_islands for the minecraft:overworld dimension) doesn't generate any NEW non-plains/snowy-biome chunks. Basically all the new islands that it generates are always the same biome. By new I mean chunks that weren't generated in 1.18...
By the way, here is how I created the world in 1.18:

1. Create a normal world
2. Export generator settings of this world
3. Modify these settings by replacing "settings":"overworld" by "settings":"floating_islands" in the dimensions/minecraft:overworld section
4. Create a new world from these modified generator settings, this new world now generates like floating islands

It wasn't the case when I initially created this world, in fact near the center of the initial spawn point I have many different biomes. (which were generated in 1.18 solo)
Please if you don't exactly know what my issue may be but suspect whatever, inform me, I'm sure many people have good experience with custom generation. I can provide you with the backed up 1.18 floating islands world, the 1.19 converted floating island world, the initial 1.18 non floating island world, etc
Oh also ❗ ❗ Very interesting fact: the game considers that all the new chunks are "minecraft:river" or "minecraft:frozen_river" in the F3 menu (even if i go like 10000000 blocks away it will always be one of those), even though in reality its either plains or snowy plains

⚠️ i'm unsure whether it's due to 1.19 update or whether its due to the fact i switched from solo world to multiplayer (in a server)

[pastel reef]

Is there a plugin that shuts down a server after a configurable time of inactivity?

[upbeat falcon]

Spigot - Idle Shutdown | SpigotMC - High Performance Minecraft

https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/idle-shutdown.324347/

Jun 17, 2018 ... This is a very simple plugin to shut down Spigot after the last player leaves, with a configurable timeout. It is most useful if you combine it ...

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[jovial plover]

@pastel reef

[idle tide]

@bleak moth Hi

[pastel reef]

Thank you!

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/vffw7mQS-2022-06-27_12-27-36.png

[half escarp]

Guys i just noticed we can get false reported in the new report system, like when ur playing bedwars and u see someone going to your base and tell your teammate "jump off the cliff" so he can be there fast and then he reports you...

[mental meadow]

oh come on

not this again

[fallen grotto]

new ptero update looking fire

[mental meadow]

AAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAA

[half escarp]

I think im not going to chat at all in any servers in 1.19.1

[mental meadow]

cool

[fallen grotto]

hmm

[half escarp]

Only chatting in my own server with signing off

[mental meadow]

didn't you already bring this up yesterday and the day before that

[fallen grotto]

i am concerned about what you do now

[worn ember]

it will never end

[half escarp]

A few days ago i came to understand how it works....

[mental meadow]

pain

can I just throw my twitter thread at you again

[half escarp]

What twitter thread? R u sure im that same person 🤔

[mental meadow]

yes

[fallen grotto]

People going to actually use Essential's chat feature (the thing from sk1er)

[mental meadow]

not like chat signing is working on paper anyway rn

[worn ember]

imagine playing minecraft in 2022

[half escarp]

Bro but i came to understand the system at this time, and this time i just said we could get false reported

[mental meadow]

well yes

you can also get false repoirted in any other game or in real life

[worn ember]

well at least not in minecraft

[half escarp]

In real life you won't be banned if u curse

[mental meadow]

cursing is not a valid report category

[half escarp]

GOOD

[mental meadow]

and in real life worst that can happen is you get shot by a swat team lol, getting banned in minecraft is obvs worse

[worn ember]

shot? What if they kidnap you and pull out your finger nails to find that secret dupe stash you hid somewhere

cant have that

[mental meadow]

fair

could be worse

could be belgian

[worn ember]

well at least i dont have to worry about invasion by road

[mental meadow]

we just blow up every tunnel and no one gets to us ez

have fun climbing 20 mountains to get 1km

[worn ember]

isnt germany mostly flat?

[mental meadow]

austria :D

[worn ember]

oh right, idk why i thought you're german lmfao

[mental meadow]

I am german

I'm just confusing

[worn ember]

[fallen grotto]

i know another german from austria

[vernal moth]

Everybody from Austria is German

runs

German or Italian I guess

Cause Tirol

[half escarp]

Is the private key for the chat message signing changable? I mean if someone logs into your account you would want to change it

[ashen cliff]

_One of the reasons 1.19.1 exists. _

[mental meadow]

why does someone log into your account in the first place

[ashen cliff]

Why not?

Daily reminder to always blame your brother.

[mental meadow]

also like, if they are in your account, they can just send chat messages as you anyway

bro

[ashen cliff]

Bro.

[mental meadow]

AuthMe but with Fingerprint scan

[ashen cliff]

Already possible.

[mental meadow]

i mean yeah

but you should just sell AuthMe branded fingerprint scanners

10€/pc

[ashen cliff]

Too cheap.

300€/unit

[mental meadow]

they only work with authme though, useless for anything else

just add 20€/month subscription on top

[ashen cliff]

Fact!

[mental meadow]

I just realized

GamerSafer is basically AuthMe but with facial scanner

[ashen cliff]

Except we actually updated our copyright to 2022.

[vernal moth]

Just found this absolute gem

https://grugbrain.dev/

[night parcel]

does 1.19.1 will add reports for servers too? Or only for realms?

[wide chasm]

Both on realms and servers will you be able to report other players' chat messages.

[night parcel]

ohh, they wanna to suspend accounts to increase sales -_-

[void void]

do we know if/when spigot/paper will be implementing mojang chat signatures?

[night parcel]

Cracked servers goes brrrrrr

[mental meadow]

we wanted to wait until Spigot has something

[fallen grotto]

oh i wondered this during my bio exam

why did development on Bukkit stop

[manic bolt]

Someone know any font similar to used in minecraft chat, with all glyphs (latin, cyrillic, numbers, special chars like limited emojis etc.) that can be used in web design?

Or is there any way to "build" it into ttf file using game data?

[glass crag]

Bukkit's now maintained by Spigot team, so it hasn't "stopped"

but the original bukkit team (probably) stopped working on it when it was dmca'd, which is when spigot took over

[fallen grotto]

yeah i know it hasn't "stopped" but bukkit itself has

oh they got dmca'd

[wide chasm]

The original team stopped due to the EULA enforcement on Mojang's side plus the legal limbo state the project is/was in.

[glass crag]

http://rdwl.xyz/blog/the-bukkit-implosion/

[fallen grotto]

interesting

[wide chasm]

The entire post can be read here: https://bukkit.org/threads/bukkit-its-time-to-say.305106/.

[night parcel]

why other forks dont get dmca, like paper

[fallen grotto]

That story is way more interesting than i thought it would be

[mental meadow]

https://madelinemiller.dev/blog/decade-of-minecraft-multiplayer/

good read

[mental meadow]

we don't have any source code of the game on our repo, we only have patches that modify that source

[wide chasm]

Spigot, Paper and essentially all forks don't distribute the game code directly, but you run a program that creates the server (which includes the game code) for you.

[night parcel]

but the jar artifacts

are not source?

[fallen grotto]

oh craftbukkit used to be available for download?

[wide chasm]

Yes, in the past you could just download the JAR file directly.

[fallen grotto]

ah

[night parcel]

but paper.jar is available for download

[fallen grotto]

they dont have source code in that

[wide chasm]

Yes, but the paper jar you download doesn't contain game code

[night parcel]

interesting

[wide chasm]

What you download is paperclip, which also creates the actual Paper JAR for you.

[night parcel]

still, i hate the fact that microjang is trying to ruin java like they did with bedrock

[fallen grotto]

how does that have any to do with this

and what is microjang

[night parcel]

From the moment they introduced microsoft login, i knew that they will do a massive change like this

[fallen grotto]

well you technically didnt have to agree to it

but you would've been unable to play

[night parcel]

And, you will lose the account that u paid money for it.

And now, trolls can ban you :), and you keep buying accounts.

[fallen grotto]

you agreed to the terms of service ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mental meadow]

oh god shut up please

[night parcel]

Microjang Stonks goes brrr.

[mental meadow]

you have no idea what you are talking about and only spreading nonsense

please actually inform yourself before you continue

[night parcel]

i read the article, but can still be abused

there will be hundred of reports.

No moderator can read them all.

[fallen grotto]

i think hundreds is an understatement

[night parcel]

Its automated process

[mental meadow]

https://twitter.com/aurora_smiles_/status/1541315210199416833

Aurora (@aurora_smiles_)

@peteyisbaka I completely disagree that this is a non existant issue.
You are in theory right, if you'd look at every single report. However, if you discard a lot of reports and only focus on the really bad stuff, which shouldn't be too hard with filters, the whole thing gets a lot easier

Twitter · Jun 27, 2022, 6:59 AM

I'm just repeating myself 20 times a day by now

[void void]

I do wish they didn't force account migration

[night parcel]

Well, lets wait and see 🙂 , if i get banned even for a day, i will become a pirate and sail tro seas :))

[void void]

it was a lot easier to programmatically do stuff using mojang account, whether for good or bad

[mental meadow]

don't break the rules then

[fallen grotto]

graphs owo

[mental meadow]

it's harder now, but way more secure and scalable

[void void]

scalable how?

[night parcel]

if u dont upgrade to 1.19.1 u cant get reported right?

haters

[mental meadow]

and what will they report you for

[night parcel]

they will report each other mostly :))

you know, when they go to war, they get salty :))

[mental meadow]

easy to filter out then great

[night parcel]

how come, when i decide to make my server online mode, for the first time, mojang need to add invasive features that ruin the game :))

[fallen grotto]

ruin the game

🤔

Concerning how you have to worry so much

[mental meadow]

https://hard-drive.net/minecraft-community-in-shambles-after-discovering-consequences-for-yelling-at-children-nline/

[void void]

I mean, even if none of the popular forks add disabling it through config, people will always find a way

it's minecraft after all

[vernal moth]

Can we just ban this topic already?

Every fucking day

[mental meadow]

I think it has a positive side effect, since pretty much every "hackclient" will strip signatures, if I turn on enforce-secure-profiles no more hackers ez

[ashen cliff]

Don't worry, just a couple more years and all our chat will go thru Microsoft servers. /s

[vernal moth]

Disable it or not, we don't care, just leave us alone

[night parcel]

Imagine someone asking where spawn is and helping them by saying ‘just kill yourself and find out’. This might result in you not being able to access multiplayer for a while

this is funny ngl :))

[vernal moth]

Reports include context, you know

[night parcel]

i just mean, as funny, it made me laugh :))

[ashen cliff]

How much context tho?
What if it's not directed at you?
Let say you went outside to touch some grass, came inside and saw someone say that in public chat, you have no context so you report it, because can't be having that kind of talk without me you know.

Anyway, Fedora do go brr: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=fedora-frame-pointer&num=5

[night parcel]

idk why people defend this, but ok :), ill stop talking about this.

[fallen grotto]

im not defending it but you cant do anything about it

[night parcel]

ikr

[fallen grotto]

better to just accept it, it has positives too

[night parcel]

🙂

[fallen grotto]

:)

[brave mountain]

Like 90% of the people shouldn't care of this topic

[fallen grotto]

true

[night parcel]

the only question i have, will older versions be affected?

[brave mountain]

Or are you planning doing bad things?

[wide chasm]

I think on the last snapshot someone said there would be four messages before and two messages after the reported message included as context. In the latest rc they increased that apparently, so, more than that.

[brave mountain]

Nop

[night parcel]

Then i dont care, i will be forever at 1.19 🙂

[mental meadow]

Disable it or not, we don't care, just leave us alone

[brave mountain]

I wonder how viaversion will handle that

*disable, just like that, end of conversation

[ashen cliff]

AFAIK 1.19.0 with Via will only support 1.19.0... So nothing added.

Like 1.19.0 is just a dead version from VIAs point of view.

[brave mountain]

Leave me alone in my private server

[night parcel]

I think banned players, can go on cracked servers if they account is banned, i mean if u dont use 1.19.1, multipayer is not grayed out, so if you get banned from auth servers, cracked servers is the only way with older versions.

[brave mountain]

In other news

...Do you think Microsoft is splitting effort with now with that new games based in Minecraft?

[ashen cliff]

What?

[night parcel]

my stroke had a stroke reading that.

[brave mountain]

Or they use a new developers division for each game?

[night parcel]

i think i will disable text chat, and make players chat with signs :)))

[brave mountain]

New chat control red update:
Improve | Automatically decrypts chat to prevent Microsoft spying and reporting introduced in Minecraft 1.19. (Compatible with other chat plugins if you prefer them).

[wide chasm]

I highly doubt that employees that are working on Minecraft are now suddenly working on Legends.

[brave mountain]

Do you think

[ashen cliff]

Not all companies are like Valve.

[brave mountain]

I mean art and design

What mob would you introduce?

[wide chasm]

Why would the same people just be working on art and design for Legends? The art style is pretty different.

[brave mountain]

Was warden a good idea?

[night parcel]

yes

[brave mountain]

Maybe

You know what Microsoft did to Mixer

[night parcel]

They try to make Minecraft familly friendly, but kids will cry when they see warden for first time.

Just imagine, your kid mining, and then see that abomination charging at him :))

[ashen cliff]

I've seen kids cry due to the buffed skeletons.

Let's just give the skeleton a mini gun and full walking speak backwards.

[brave mountain]

Minecraft is very family friendly, until someone steal stuff...

[night parcel]

i think private servers will restrict chat usage and use discord for communications.

while others will go full pirate

[ashen cliff]

Just strip the signature and call it a day?

Like, it's something you can easily do... so why are you crying here?

[night parcel]

it can still be reported manually, with screenshots

from what i read.

[ashen cliff]

Yeah, no.

[brave mountain]

I just care about bandwidth

[night parcel]

oh yah, and bandwidth

[ashen cliff]

In that case, what is the best compression setting in server.props?

[brave mountain]

I use velocity

[void void]

lol..?

[ashen cliff]

And did you replace the compression lib with the CF one, to save on speed and bandwidth?

[brave mountain]

Even if is only one server

[void void]

that defeats the whole point of why they're using cryptographic chat signatures

[night parcel]

i think servers that might prevent reporting will break EULA

so the safest way is to turn off chat feature.

[ashen cliff]

Ok and?

[brave mountain]

We still fal on the same topic lol

[void void]

according to?

[glass crag]

so you're going to chat on discord instead, where you can also be reported?

[night parcel]

but on discord, you can create unlimited accounts for free

[glass crag]

sounds sus

[void void]

unlike minecraft reporting, discord doesn't receive context automatically

[brave mountain]

BTW, will cryptography and signing may increase cpu and ram usage?

[glass crag]

not noticeably..

[brave mountain]

With lots of players?

[ashen cliff]

Just set chat to command mode. 🛌

[glass crag]

no

you wont notice any difference

[brave mountain]

Some modern servers have a dedicated cryptography processor

[night parcel]

0-0

[void void]

how would the many chat formatting plugins affect it?

[night parcel]

i use weak intel xeon 0-0

[brave mountain]

Maybe with some modification on the code, it can use that

[ashen cliff]

Bruh. How do you know it doesn't?

[void void]

on the server side, it'll only add processing when a player first joins and when messages are sent

[brave mountain]

I don't know I'm just saying brooo

[ashen cliff]

Your CPU probably already has AES-NI support.

[brave mountain]

I'm just saying broo

😂

[night parcel]

so, without anti spam, the cpu goes brrrr

[ashen cliff]

The server has anti spam build in by default. So nothing to worry about.

[brave mountain]

Really?

[night parcel]

well, i gtg :), this was a long conversation 😮

[ashen cliff]

I see you have never spammed /playsound.

[brave mountain]

Is hard to spam on bedrock

Specially if pocket or console

[fallen grotto]

wait this works on other people

[mental meadow]

well yeah

[fallen grotto]

Why

boohoo emoji

[wet storm]

it is 33°C outside, I'll fucking die, tbh hate summer for such things, spring is waaaay better

[fallen grotto]

Winter > all

no annoying insects

[kindred basin]

Might want to question what the player plans on saying if they’re scared of a ban lol

[vagrant marlin]

winter is superior

[mental meadow]

anything above 20C is too hot

[vagrant marlin]

10*

[wet storm]

haven't seen such hot temperatures in ages

[vagrant marlin]

10 celcius 🥵

[fallen grotto]

??

its 23 in my house all year long

[glad zinc]

Casually vibing with 36 Celsius

[vagrant marlin]

casually? 😳

i would be dead

[glad zinc]

I have like 3 months each year of temp above 30 and sometimes hit 40

[vagrant marlin]

only 29C

[fallen grotto]

why is it 1 0 1

who designed that

[night parcel]

i live in cyprus, here you can cook eggs on roads

[vagrant marlin]

some kid in a sweatshop probably

[wet storm]

I live somewhere nearby moscow

[night parcel]

RIP, i think u can smell the nuclear fallout from there.

[vagrant marlin]

i live in the cold country of finland

[night parcel]

*incoming fallout

[glad zinc]

I live in Vietnam, average coldest is 15, I'm honestly gonna die if it's below that

[vagrant marlin]

🥶 😰

so cold

[wet storm]

my school has bunker, because it was built in USSR during cold war to protect from 'muricans

[vagrant marlin]

was anything built after the ussr in russia

everything just seems so old there

[mental meadow]

lol

[night parcel]

Another question, why would mojang ban players instead of removing chatting ability?

[golden gust]

Hey, guys

Do you taste metal?

[night parcel]

yes

[vagrant marlin]

lets not start the millionth convo about this, please?

[night parcel]

i taste metal

[vagrant marlin]

only in blood 😋

[mental meadow]

metal has no taste

[wet storm]

so tasty did you mean music?

[night parcel]

i have a filling that might have gone bad, and i think blood leaks sometimes.

[golden gust]

https://c.tenor.com/SGbZbMtao54AAAAM/chernobyl-serie.gif

[mental meadow]

oooh

I have a long train ride tomorrow, should I download and watch that hbo chernobyl thingy? is it good?

[golden gust]

I mean, I liked it, they took some liberties for the drama, etc

But, I mean, I've also been interested in Chernobyl for years, so, maybe biased

[mental meadow]

I've been as well^^

[golden gust]

(but, I mean, Netflix went on to create a shitty dramadocumentary from TMI, so)

[brave mountain]

Bestto series

Ups sorry for the ping, cat

I will see that serie many times without been tired.

"What is the cost of lies?"

[coarse venture]

it was nice knowing you, 🕯️

😄

[echo tusk]

Which plugin is best for better knockback?
something like on MMC
but best if for all versions (except 1.19)
from like 1.7 (or 1.8) to 1.18.2
which can change normal, sprint, wtap knockback

so like each diffrent

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/bpU6ijNh-2022-06-27_15-49-47.png

[void void]

I've personally used this but I don't know if it's what you want exactly:
https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/knockbackmaster-⭐-professional-custom-knockback-and-hits-for-pvp.42721/

[echo tusk]

yes thats one i saw, but not 1.18.2 + it hasnt been updated at all in 2022

[void void]

Oof, didn't see that 💀

[echo tusk]

else all good, just version

i guess

best if i have it for all versions, but i need really check do its worth to modify kb on 1..9+

[jovial plover]

rn im legit using 5gb ram idle

[void void]

Welcome to 1.19 😄

[jovial plover]

not on mc

[void void]

💀

[jovial plover]

just idle on my pc

[void void]

Wt?

[jovial plover]

thank f*ck this new pc has 8gb ram

[void void]

I'm using 8GB ram out of my 16GB currently 😅 I have a fair bit running though

[limber knot]

I mean, if you have discord open then it's not idle lol

[jovial plover]

ok

yeah tr__e phoenix__

holy shit firefox using 1g

[limber knot]

but windows hogs memory too so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[void void]

[ashen cliff]

Well, it works: https://timings.aikar.co/?id=16cbbec44ef145ec83396736a7bb11c0#plugins

[limber knot]

you mean Firefox using ONLY 1G right?

https://is.papr.best/g57I9oab.png

[golden gust]

timingcost: 73398

disable timings, then check the tps

This I wanna see for some reason

The fact that you can still get java releases for ppc is comical

[ashen cliff]

Sadly, can't get anything newer than 1.8 to run.
1.12 just freezes and nukes the console.
1.13+ does the missing bs stuff.

[jovial plover]

EWWWWWW CHROMIUM

[limber knot]

best of all worlds ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/eZyh93j9-2022-06-27_15-57-47.png

Good gain.

[golden gust]

off

[ashen cliff]

It's still going down actually.

[void void]

now join it

[jovial plover]

do /version

[void void]

it's 1.8

[ashen cliff]

I actually did, with timings enabled.

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/ZhcWxkGA-2022-06-27_16-00-14.png

[brave mountain]

I use spark, should I disable timings?

[ashen cliff]

It's not that bad.

[limber knot]

@brave mountain only really necessary if you see timings hurting you in spark/the timingcost

[brave mountain]

How to disable if is that case?

[jovial plover]

/timings off

[brave mountain]

Completely?

[ashen cliff]

In the config.

[brave mountain]

Ok thank you

[limber knot]

config is permanent, command is for the current session

[jovial plover]

ello

[manic bolt]

Where is timings bugtracker?

[worthy geode]

its not really maintained anymore

[manic bolt]

So this will never be "fixed"? :D

[worthy geode]

well, this is very minor

[vernal moth]

It's on Aikars GitHub

Called just timings or timings-web, can remember

[quasi valley]

it being there doesn't mean it's going to get fixed

[worthy geode]

Spark has no typos, it clearly is better!

[charred sleet]

pr it to paper then

[jovial plover]

does not exists

this bad?

[limber knot]

I mean, timings-web is also not updated anymore so :shurg.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jovial plover]

"glfw error 65542: wgl: the driver does not apprar to support opengl"

is that bad

[limber knot]

generally bad? not really

you just can't run programs that need opengl in your current setup

either update your driver, OS or hardware itself

[jovial plover]

ok

hardware updates arent possible for me rn

what one do i want

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/search.html#sort=relevancy&f:@tabfilter=[Downloads]&f:@stm_10385_en=[Graphics,Intel® HD Graphics Family]

do i want this

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/18799/intel-graphics-driver-for-windows-15-45.html

[worthy geode]

"graphics driver for 6th gen"
if that applies to you, yes

[jovial plover]

i currently have a driver from 2016

[jovial plover]

idk what "6th gen" means

[worthy geode]

6th gen intel CPU

[jovial plover]

is the i5-2440 one of those

[worthy geode]

No

[jovial plover]

ok

so whgat do i want

[worthy geode]

the first number is the gen, so thats a 2nd gen CPU

[jovial plover]

ahahahahha 2016 drivers

[worthy geode]

its entirely possible that those are the newest

that CPU is old af

[kindred basin]

Yeah 2011

[jovial plover]

in which case i cant play mc?

[kindred basin]

I looked it up the last graphics driver seems to be from 2015

[jovial plover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/555469074080202765/990992767696109678/unknown.png

[worthy geode]

well, you can probably play a version from 2011

[jovial plover]

"no."

[ashen cliff]

Can you play old versions or none at all?

[jovial plover]

idk

i onblyt have `1.19 installed

[ashen cliff]

Try 1.12.2.

[jovial plover]

hypixel moment

[worthy geode]

11 year old hardware moment

[ashen cliff]

I mean, it's not "that" bad. I still use it for my media server.

[novel horizon]

yeah some low media 👀

[jovial plover]

yeah, looks like my driver is discontinued

[ashen cliff]

You can probably find drivers from 2020 for it, due to Microsoft actually.

[jovial plover]

where??!?!?!?!???!

[golden gust]

I mean, I thought MS updates was supposed to pull that shit in these days

[worthy geode]

thats probably not magically going to give it modern opengl support though

[ashen cliff]

Well yes, but no.

[kindred basin]

I doubt windows would be able to pull anything higher than https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/52207/intel-core-i52400-processor-6m-cache-up-to-3-40-ghz/downloads.html which is EOL since 2015

[golden gust]

ah, good ol' reliable MS

[ashen cliff]

Some OEM devices have the driver, so MS locks it to those.
But if you find it, you can install it yourself.

[golden gust]

I mean, that's the thing that pisses me off about MS

they act like they do all this shit, yet the only time I've really seen automated driver pulls was for borked wifi driver updates

[jovial plover]

looks like im f*cked

[kindred basin]

You could probably find a cheap used gpu like a gtx 960+/rx 480 which would give you support

[jovial plover]

the latest driver for my cpu is from 2016

even still, i dont want to f*ck with the pc

[ashen cliff]

You could try using Snappy driver installer.

[jovial plover]

warranty moment + 3 years care moment

[golden gust]

1. they can't kill your warranty for installing a GPU unless you actually break the machine

2. We literally fucking warned you about this

[jovial plover]

"torrent"

[ashen cliff]

Best way to distribute files.

[jovial plover]

i aint installing a torrent client

[worthy geode]

warranty? with a 2011 CPU?

I doubt they give you 11 years of warranty lol

[jovial plover]

it's a refurb machine

i broughyt it yesterday

[kindred basin]

Is there a return window

[jovial plover]

yes

[worthy geode]

return it

I hope you didn't pay much for it

[jovial plover]

1.12 works

[ashen cliff]

You don't have to get the torrent version, just the lite version.

[jovial plover]

£112 + £15 for 3y care

[ashen cliff]

Oh, if 1.12 version work, then you just have to install fabric and a mod.

[golden gust]

I mean, as we literally said, at best, that machine is a minmal fuckbed for upgrading

then we discovered that the PSU literally wasn't even worth it

[limber knot]

just invest like 200 more (e.g. with a small credit or something) and you get an actual usable machine

[golden gust]

Shoulda just walked around a few council estates and looked for a beat up machine on the pavement

[warm anchor]

Is this the $300 laptop lol

[jovial plover]

does one press

[jovial plover]

no

[ashen cliff]

Yes.

[jovial plover]

this is a £112 desktop

[worthy geode]

also remember how multiple people said "don't buy a pre-skylake (6th gen) intel CPU"

[jovial plover]

"check all"?

[ashen cliff]

Just indexes.

[jovial plover]

?

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/hQj4iwAs-2022-06-27_17-23-57.png

[jovial plover]

ah right

accept?

[ashen cliff]

"OK"

[warm anchor]

How do you somehow lower your budget

Just ask @ashen cliff to send you some of his stuff from basement

[jovial plover]

i find something on amazon

[warm anchor]

He got some Soviet era hardwares

[ashen cliff]

Just overclocked a Mac Mini G4 yesterday.
True Balkan mašin.