the amazon refurbished one is 80€ less
#general
novel horizon
"as renewed", yeah, but still
void void
or you pick it up in person 
worthy geode
but smol screen
worthy geode
But yeah, if you want a laptop that is actually decent and practical, save some more money. Below 600-700€ there isn't anything good
worthy geode
11 inch screen, thats cute
vernal moth
Before getting the low spec chrome books just use your phone and connect keyboard and screen instead
novel horizon
it is cute, tbh
vernal moth
More powerful most likely
novel horizon
yeah i said that but 😦
vernal moth
And similar feature set
novel horizon
even a phone for 300 usd is gonna be great overall
vernal moth
Samsung Dex is really cool
novel horizon
i mean i got one and it's great for me...
vernal moth
Not sure how good the desktop experience on other Android phones is
novel horizon
yeah, idk
jovial plover
At a stretch I could go for 400
novel horizon
i suppose keyboard is fine
jovial plover
yes
golden gust
You are not getting "new" hardware capable of doing too much at that price point
Just accept it lol
novel horizon
it is really better to get phone, it will be A LOT powerful (i know funny) than notebook at that point, even lower
for about 300 you get phone, and for 100 you can find some other things lol
jovial plover
I have a tablet
worthy geode
for 400 you probably could get something acceptable in used condition
jovial plover
Y e a h
dusty timber
You can get a nice dell business class laptop second hand with an i7 for 400
novel horizon
golden gust
pulled it apart and the main storage was a USB stick with the connector removed in place of a soldered cable practically flapping in the breeze
dusty timber
But you’re not gonna get anything worthwhile for 400 new
worthy geode
I still have some samsung tablet, its horrendously slow even though its not really that old
novel horizon
it even has a ssd!
golden gust
it has eMMC
wide chasm
I still have a Samsung Galaxy tab which is probably nine years old or so today, still works, has never had to be fixed.
golden gust
which is basically just a flash chip
golden gust
as I said, at that budget it's purely in the "my first laptop!" range
Literally not worth looking at unless maybe you go wish.com kek
novel horizon
yeah i'd save more and get one that can last at least few years
worthy geode
<https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Aspire-Dual-Core-Processor-Bluetooth/dp/B09VQ3V4ZQ/...
im surprised the poor intel graphics of that celeron is capable of powering a 1080p screen 
dusty timber
dusty timber
450
novel horizon
can you even look at video? you cant
golden gust
Tbqh, the native hardware in those intel chips are pretty decent
vernal moth
https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-IdeaPad-Processor-Graphics-82KT00GVUS/dp/B09BG841V...
Wow that's actually a great deal
golden gust
Like, you're not gonna be gaming on it, but, with hardware accel, video stuff should be fine
novel horizon
get raspberry pi already
dusty timber
@jovial plover if you can get to 450 that ryzen laptop might be worth a look
vernal moth
Somebody is dumping stock, the laptop is worth more than that
worthy geode
the AMD ideapads are surprisingly cheap
vernal moth
Wifi 6, USB c, fucking SD card reader even, that's a great deal
mild rune
damn I wish that existed when I started college lmfao
novel horizon
but those ryzen laptops are good kinda
vernal moth
Guess they subsidize it like crazy on the bloat
dusty timber
Yeah LMAO
worthy geode
the 5500u is zen2 tho
dusty timber
You gotta nuke that thing asap
novel horizon
you mean that in a bad or good way?
full rune
https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-IdeaPad-Processor-Graphics-82KT00GVUS/dp/B09BG841V...
I have that one, even has space for adding a secondary 2.5 inch drive inside
mild rune
Using Alexa on your PC is as easy as asking a question - just ask and Alexa can check your calendar, create lists, play music, answer questions, read the news and more
dusty timber
LMAOOOO
novel horizon
that cpu is okay
dusty timber
Yeah just reinstall windows and you’re good
vernal moth
Only meh is the 6gb ram but only one stick is soldered so can upgrade down the line
novel horizon
yeah
vernal moth
(iirc AMD gives 2gb to the GPU?)
novel horizon
id save a little bit more still, but if i cant choose its okayish for some time
mild rune
It's dynamic afaik
dusty timber
I have a legit copy of windows 10 ltsc from a friend of mine who had access to Microsoft’s licensing server
novel horizon
but if u get something better it can last longer
dusty timber
I really wish they sold that version of windows
It’s so clean
There’s nothing on it
At all
dusty timber
They had a MSDN subscription or something for their business
I forget what it’s called
It used to be called technet
Like a long time ago
worthy geode
the bloat usually comes from the manufacturer. if you get a fresh .iso from MS its pretty clean too
vernal moth
You can disable stuff you don't want easily too
No need for potentially outdated ltsc
dusty timber
It’s latest, it’s through Microsoft direct it’s not a random web iso
But yeah
Windows 10 pro can get there too it’s just more effort
mild rune
I just nuke the fuck out of services on my windows installs
worthy geode
2025 iirc
warm anchor
I got 3 year
vernal moth
Oh so long
warm anchor
novel horizon
fortunately im cool so i use win 11 ..... 👀
warm anchor
My taskbar
dusty timber
I haven’t used 11 yet because my understanding was it still had teething issues
visual egret
do some dll hack shit eternity 😃
ripe sphinx
.
novel horizon
tbh i was trying win 11 like 8 months ago and it was weird, but i just tried and "upgraded" my win 10 to win 11 and it looks pretty fine, so
dusty timber
How’s it been for y’all?
novel horizon
i probably will use it from now on
golden gust
I mean
vernal moth
I haven't noticed any issues on win11 at all
mild rune
my today's W11 breakage was the taskbar going behind windows even after restarts
worthy geode
Win11 works fine for me, I like the new start menu & settings more than the old one
ripe sphinx
I also keep having my taskbar icons randomly vanish. The buttons are still there, just no icon
novel horizon
i wouldnt wait for eol whatever
ill just use it and be happy with it
^^
for me its good still, i like few things more
worthy geode
(But I have disabled the search window, so I haven't encountered that issue )
mild rune
I lose this part of the taskbar regularly
visual egret
good thing im a linux user
novel horizon
what part
jovial plover
ive found a "great quality" used one for £280 on ebay
jovial plover
dude has 100% feedback
jovial plover
worthy geode
I lose this part of the taskbar regularly
Why is your volume so loud 👀
novel horizon
👀
worthy geode
the matebooks are pretty good
mild rune
I have an external device for my sound
novel horizon
jovial plover
vernal moth
It's always so strange to me how people break their windows so often
I never have issues
novel horizon
idk
mild rune
mine is just a cursed install
jovial plover
that right there is a windows 8 feature
mild rune
jovial plover
in windows 11
novel horizon
I never have issues
me neither
worthy geode
they do 100% look like an macbook clone, but they got pretty good hardware
jovial plover
i have
golden gust
novel horizon
unused icons 😠
jovial plover
my pc didnt turn on for ~3d
worthy geode
God XP was so ugly
vernal moth
Only thing I have right now, twice now actually, is that I can't put sound to my TV via HDMI until a restart, but for that I blame Nvidia not windows
mild rune
This is my actual volume control
worthy geode
Why is it so fake 3D 😦
jovial plover
ive also had an issue where it just booted into recovery and woudnt boot to normal
golden gust
Because efficent
dusty timber
Windows XP man
worthy geode
Maybe im too young to get that design
mild rune
Windows XP was great
novel horizon
A little bit
jovial plover
xp is great, even now
golden gust
I mean, there is defo a level of nostaligia love there
visual egret
since we're posting desktops cat
worthy geode
I like the Windows design before that, that looks alright
visual egret
side note- fuck appimages
worthy geode
but XP, idk, just not my thing
jovial plover
which is why, when i do av verses malware, i will test a lot on xp
dusty timber
xp is great, even now
Ya till you try to use any mainstream software
golden gust
Like, the thing was pretty darn slender, and worked pretty darn well
visual egret
can't confirm, xp didn't work well in my rural polish village school
worthy geode
I just always hide all my desktop icons, I don't use them
golden gust
since we're posting desktops cat
it was honkers
novel horizon
i do use them ^^ from time to time
worthy geode
things go in the task bar or in the start menu, no need for icons there as well
worthy geode
also the search is great, just Win + the first letter of whatever I want to open and its right 99% of the time
visual egret
pop os "super + /" <3
ripe sphinx
since we're posting desktops cat
mild rune
I use everything and powertoy's app launcher
if I wanna screenshot my setup I gotta close so many windows working currently
jovial plover
when i get my new pc
visual egret
does anyone have an issue with convincing themself to get a password manager
worthy geode
https://f.u11.io/HoGpoO
imagine having screens with the same size
visual egret
for one password
jovial plover
what i will do is do av vs maware
worthy geode
me having a HD, 1440p and 4k screen
novel horizon
i had the.. thing i forgot already... the one before.. but they changed some things and made it you can be signed only on one device or so
i even forgot the name lol
visual egret
imagine having more than 1 monitor
mild rune
lastpass
novel horizon
yeah that
visual egret
£0.05 bank account balance gang
mild rune
I swapped to 1Password
ripe sphinx
imagine having screens with the same size
I mean my monitors are all different sizes, but all 1080p
novel horizon
bitwarden is pretty neat
golden gust
ditched lastpass years ago because fuck logmein
worthy geode
it looks so nice and tidy on that screenshot
novel horizon
kinda, but i ditched them also because of the other things
silver nexus
https://f.u11.io/HoGpoO
visual egret
giant image
mild rune
My setup looks so weird screenshotted 
golden gust
I really just gotta go see if. Ican find the image where theres like 200 of me at spawn
ripe sphinx
https://f.u11.io/jnnZgP (really hope there's no PII in this)
worthy geode
Minecraft background!
silver nexus
Minecraft background!
I spent so long setting that up in creative lmao
novel horizon
but recently i made some photos of things and i was in a better spot mentally so i made pics and i use it, its kinda nice
reminds me of that
^^
mild rune
need more ultrawides
worthy geode
https://f.u11.io/jnnZgP (really hope there's no PII in this)
thats a really colorful laptop keyboard
silver nexus
https://f.u11.io/jnnZgP (really hope there's no PII in this)
I'd take a photo of my desk but it's a mess
worthy geode
tbh i was using the default windows backgrounds
I just have some upscaled Arcane screenshots
novel horizon
arcane was kinda cool
but i didnt like few things how it turned out but 🤷♂️
whatever tho
ripe sphinx
thats a really colorful laptop keyboard
yeah I don't really use it, it's just on a "random keys turn random colors for a second" pattern
jovial plover
worthy geode
oh no its at the top
jovial plover
"messy"
silver nexus
Top taskbars are not it
novel horizon
ew icons of antivirus or what
ripe sphinx
I mean it's not horrible
novel horizon
a little bit
jovial plover
ew icons of antivirus or what
where
worthy geode
I don't get why people do that, isn't it getting in the way with the close/minimize buttons?
ripe sphinx
that's onedrive I think
jovial plover
that's onedrive I think
yeah
ripe sphinx
stock with windows
jovial plover
people use onedrive?
only cos i got it free
jovial plover
and for a desktop?
it's a lap-top
novel horizon
i mean desktop as the space, idk if thats the name in english, i guess so
worthy geode
it is
jovial plover
oh, right
novel horizon
this one is mine ❤️
worthy geode
I would send a screenshot, but I hide my icons and my taskbar so its just the background
novel horizon
its been a week or two since i let win 10 go to 11
and its great i dont mind it
i took that pic ❤️ i really liked it
novel horizon
i mean i also take pics because i got a better phone lol
so its much more .. fun? to take photos
this ones that i got is really great, at least for me
like you can take image in direct sunlight just fine
my phone before... lol, awful
even in decent light it wasnt good
worthy geode
And even with icons I do win the prize for the most boring desktop
worthy geode
And yes, thats a picture of a random bird. And no, I have no idea why its on my desktop
fallen grotto
how do you barely have shortcuts
jovial plover
i just removed a oad of icons and now it looks shite
novel horizon
i use win and then type what i want
fallen grotto
i rather have everything on desktop 😩
novel horizon
works really close to 100% what i use the most it comes instantly
worthy geode
stuff I need is there
fallen grotto
i use fences so it doesn't look like complete crap
jovial plover
whats RD
novel horizon
you can anywhere just press win and the ntype
fallen grotto
no
worthy geode
Rider, C# development
jovial plover
ahhhh
fallen grotto
any office program doesn't appear in search for me
which is really weird but it's a thing
jovial plover
office sucks
worthy geode
p
novel horizon
for me neither.. but that might be because i dont have them 👀
worthy geode
I got office for 9€ from my uni. But no idea why that included publisher or what that even is
fallen grotto
office sucks
until you send your document from libre office and some stuff doesn't appear properly in word online and your teacher removes points for it
golden gust
publisher? that's like, the masterful way of creating any poster in uni
visual egret
office 💔
golden gust
oh god, fuck libre office
fallen grotto
I got office for 9€ from my uni. But no idea why that included publisher or what...
you had to pay for it with uni?
ashen cliff
oh god, fuck libre office
Add 10 images to a page. 
visual egret
£80/year for family plan of office365
worthy geode
yes, but its mine and not some license I loose if I leave uni
visual egret
but my school gets me all of Adobe CC for free so that makes up for it
can't imagine how much it costs them to give that to every single student
warm anchor
They get discounts
limber knotBOT
has LibreOffice gone bad or something? I used to use OpenOffice all the time back in school lol
visual egret
still, 1000+ people is still pretty expensive i'd assume
golden gust
it screwed me over a few years ago good and proper
novel horizon
yeah but even then its prob worth it and much cheaper
you need those things so 🤷♂️
worthy geode
its marketing for Adobe. People get used to their software and want to use it later as well
golden gust
I mean, I guess if you're just creating basic word docs, etc, it can't go too wrong
warm anchor
Their goal is to get you to familiar with their products and once you go into the field you will continue to use them and hopefully paying them
golden gust
but, like, damn does it suck
visual egret
oh yeah
novel horizon
much cheaper than telling students to get them on their own
limber knotBOT
never had any issue writing and formatting stuff in it ¯_(ツ)_/¯
golden gust
like, you never know what's gonna screw you over as soon as it's sent to office
limber knotBOT
and I regularly use their excel thingy
golden gust
Do you open the docs you write inside of MS office?
jovial plover
from ms
limber knotBOT
why would you ever send something to office? lmao
novel horizon
i used it a bit before, but i kinda didnt like it, idk why
golden gust
Teachers
limber knotBOT
PDF exists for a reason
worthy geode
LibreOffice is kinda stuck in 2005
golden gust
being allergic to PDFs
novel horizon
i dont need it that often though, so when i do, i use google docs and it has been fine
limber knotBOT
if they care about getting documents that they can write and format in then they better accept LaTeX lol
golden gust
some of them where pedantic AF and wanted to send office docs back and forth so that they could add notes, etc
visual egret
has a teacher ever given you a pdf worksheet
those are the most painful things to edit
limber knotBOT
well that's the point where you tell them "pay for my MS Office or gtfo"
visual egret
happned in lockdown a lot where they gave us stuff that was meant to be printed out in pdf
jovial plover
no school tmrw
visual egret
lucky
limber knotBOT
also pdfs are so easy to edit, wat
jovial plover
or the day after
limber knotBOT
adobe's PDF protection is a joke
jovial plover
tomorrow sunday, mondat is inset
golden gust
Well, yea
as much as adobes PDF stuff is a joke
so are the teachers on most IT courses over here
novel horizon
that is sometimes true
visual egret
someone in year 7 mispronounced inset as incest and we've been saying it ever since
we're year 10 now
novel horizon
novel horizon
no we dont
visual egret
you dont think 😭
novel horizon
whats that
worthy geode
those are the most painful things to edit
don't remind me of PDF forms. During the pandemic I made a dnd bot that parsed the character sheet pdf, that was a bit of a horror. Although partly because they didn't name their fields in any useful way
golden gust
Yea
novel horizon
👀
golden gust
It's when you're from down south and think your cousin looks a lil' cute
limber knotBOT
oof
jovial plover
its where u uh f**k a family member
visual egret
so yeah
novel horizon
🎵
visual egret
that was funny
jovial plover
essentially
visual egret
i dont think anyone needs to understand the definition of incest
novel horizon
also
golden gust
Oh god
novel horizon
when i said sweet home alabama
golden gust
my brother from another mother finally showed back up after 3 years
visual egret
make those 6 men in power get pregnant without their consent see what they think now
novel horizon
they would love it ofc
golden gust
and like, last year, some random gal messed me wondering if I'd talked to him, and I thought I was gonna have to talk to him about tapping crazy
Turned out that yea, he'd been tapping crazy and this gal was preggers before he knocked on her door
jovial plover
guys
fallen grotto
LabVIEW
jovial plover
i could use ddom which downloads samples
fallen grotto
good luck getting 100% rid of that
jovial plover
good luck getting 100% rid of that
vm, ill delete it
fallen grotto
it's not a malware lmao
visual egret
rm -rf /* with default protections on ubuntu
jovial plover
it's not a malware lmao
oh what is it
jovial plover
`rm -rf /*` with default protections on ubuntu
yeah, rm -rf ing ubntu is cool
fallen grotto
it's a crappy graphical programming thing
visual egret
when you need to delete everything in a dir with sudo <<<
sudo rm -rf *
gets too close for comfort
jovial plover
yeah my directory is /
visual egret
checks 3 time to make sure im not in /
cloud moat
Whats the difference between the no table and the Contributor role?
novel horizon
Contributors are contributing to the paper
And people with no table have no tables obviously
cloud moat
So do you get the Contributor role after one contribution or do you need to be a recurring contributor
vernal moth
We invite people
cloud moat
Fair enough
novel horizon
I doubt you get there after one contribution, lol
I doubt you get anywhere with that 👀
cloud moat
Just not a fan of white, so I'm looking for a way to get a different color 
vernal moth
Easiest way is to donate 👀
novel horizon
You get a nice icon
cloud moat
Make a donate to the project
I would if I had any money to spare. I literally struggle to pay my rent so donating sadly isn't an option for me currently
golden gust
a buck a fu.. nvm
novel horizon
We were just joking around, kinda
If you contribute, maybe they invite you after some time, but
Also being here a lot and talking with a lot of people might get you into mods team 👀
(if you are a nice person etc.)
cloud moat
Hey don't worry, just wanted to understand a roles in this server a bit better, since they're not really explained particularly well
cloud moat
(if you are a nice person etc.)
I try to be :D
vernal moth
If your goal is getting a role, that will get you nowhere generally
novel horizon
I mean
cloud moat
Nah, that was more of a joke tbh, just was interested in what the different roles meant
novel horizon
I think you could figure out what's no table too :p
golden gust
Rumour has it that it's called no table is because all the people in there have broken their tables after years of headbutting them
novel horizon
I mean even I'd like a role, but why, I'm not here that often
I was not here also because of some "toxic" people
Some people were not nice, sadly
Sounds right ^^
golden gust
Listen here, poop breath
cloud moat
Now I feel bad for asking :c Don't worry about it, I get it :D
novel horizon
😠
golden gust
I mean, idk, I just wanted to call you a name for some reason
novel horizon
Okay you know what
novel horizon
I mean, idk, I just wanted to call you a name for some reason
I'll ping you
vernal moth
That's the one cool thing about Brits: creative insults
novel horizon
oops
golden gust
oh, wait, I can't tell that story here
jovial plover
hi
novel horizon
is it even spelled crysis lol
golden gust
Crisis
novel horizon
i thought so
golden gust
unless you mean the gameroo
novel horizon
nope
golden gust
Speaking of crisis
novel horizon
crisis ^^
cloud moat
is it even spelled crysis lol
Can it run Crysis
golden gust
#BritishMentalHealthCare
jovial plover
any issues here https://mclo.gs/trPqCAd
cloud moat
You're a NHS natural
jovial plover
no one can join
cloud moat
Thats what I'm told they usually recommend to people in crisis
novel horizon
for real tho some people were a bit too .. idk.. i dont mind fun but still, i make fun of other, well not strangers
golden gust
be me
cloud moat
any issues here https://mclo.gs/trPqCAd
I think #paper-help would be a more appropriate channel
golden gust
have SH issues and trie to yeet
go to doctors appointment
tell them that I literally can't use a phone
novel horizon
but the person who was a bit meh is not here anymore for quite some time, so
novel horizon
😕
cloud moat
Tbh the Mental Health Services here in Germany are a joke too
novel horizon
💢
no nitro anymore otherwise i would use something better
but
you get the point
cloud moat
WhY dOn'T yOu Go FoR a WaLk
novel horizon
😠
unkempt jackal
no one can join
You're using port 25569, so make sure that your users add :25569 to the ip address since it is not the default port
mild rune
have you tried acquiring money?
novel horizon
sadly i won't pay for it i don't have money for fun
jovial plover
they are
novel horizon
yep
mild rune
cloud moat
Imagine being broke with 2 Kidneys
novel horizon
how do you know i have 2 👀
mild rune
imagine being broke with flowing blood
golden gust
oh, oh, ohhh
cloud moat
Oh shit, I just assumed something about a Person I don't know. How dare I :D
mild rune
imagine
golden gust
cloud moat
Paramore will never be not good
novel horizon
i was afk
making food
but
can you donate blood btw in your country if you are gay?
mild rune
I don't see why you couldn't
golden gust
I mean, you're at a higher risk for some diseases
and the way it's generally handled is kinda dickish and stupid
mild rune
That's fair
cloud moat
can you donate blood btw in your country if you are gay?
I mean I'm trans and gay, so it would be to confusing to the staff to see if I can donate
cloud moat
Do you want to be transphobic and hold up your stupid rules, or do you break the rules
golden gust
well, that's why it's dickish, is cos I mean, afaik they need to test all samples for that crap anyways
novel horizon
Me neither
viral dagger
america is just actually crazy now
cloud moat
Time is funny. In Germany it's 11pm, in the UK it's 10pm and in America it's fucking 1956
novel horizon
hehehehe
11 pm here too.. czechia 👀
any tips for some movies or so?
animated ones too
unkempt jackal
It's not 7:56 pm in any time zone in America right now
novel horizon
cloud moat
any tips for some movies or so?
Topgun Maverick
novel horizon
uh
ok
no more tips
okay ill look what that even is
👀
so 🙂
cat 😠
🐈⬛
❤️
dapper pumice
Time is funny. In Germany it's 11pm, in the UK it's 10pm and in America it's fuc...
That's a lie, in Germany we say 23:00 to that 🙀👍
novel horizon
True
cloud moat
That's a lie, in Germany we say 23:00 to that 🙀👍
I know but I internationalized it 😎
worthy geode
Imagine needing letters for time
cloud moat
isn't 23:00 more used than 11 pm?
Yeah, but I needed to change it for our friends over on the other side of the ocean
novel horizon
aw that's not nice
cloud moat
Also MM/DD/YYYY is confusing DD/MM/YYYY is the only good one
viral dagger
YYYY-MM-DD is also good
viral dagger
but YYYY-MM-DD sorts alphabetically
worthy geode
I believe in unix time!
viral dagger
but only in binary
novel horizon
back in my days of 1309030461 it was better!!
i think that dd-mm-yyyy is good enough, but also yyyy-mm-dd is also good
i just dont like month first or so it is kinda confusing
novel horizon
<t:1309030461>
dapper pumice
YYYY-MM-DD is also good
That's actually the best format for naming files, as it's pretty to sort :)
cloud moat
For Files okay, but for everything else I prefer day/month/year
novel horizon
yy-d-m-d-m-yy
dapper pumice
yy-d-m-d-m-yy
That's maniac
cloud moat
yy-d-m-d-m-yy
I hate it. Do it again
visual egret
Time is funny. In Germany it's 11pm, in the UK it's 10pm and in America it's fuc...
soon the UK its gonna be 1998 😄
lilac moon
have you guys ever needed a 8388607-bit number
if so you'll be happy to learn that llvm supports them
visual egret
was about to mention politics, oops
frank otter
have you guys ever needed a 8388607-bit number
is that like almost one meg for just one number
but why
magic river
LLVM also supports 17 bit numbers
lilac moon
it allows you a maximum value of 2.1322437117797639362163644630428078773777100397478561078... × 10^2525222
magic river
And 15647 bit numbers
lilac moon
yep
lilac moon
because the max value isnt inclusive
magic river
The IR can work with whatever, I think if the backend doesn't have some logic to lower that to machine code or call out to a support library it just fails though?
lilac moon
probably
magic river
Like, you can make an amd64 backend for LLVM that just automatically using GMP or something to handle any bit length you want
ashen cliff
Would be interesting to see what a program could do, if AMD and Intel allowed custom instructions to be added by users instead of just them.
That microcode and embed ARM core are doing a lot of heavy lifting.
lilac moon
fn main() {
let x: u128 = 340282366920938463463374607431768211455;
println!("{:?}", x);
}
troll
this seems to work but idk if it's just optimizing it out
magic river
128-bit is the one they actually do support iirc
lilac moon
i dont have a 128 bit cpu though
so it must be doing the same thing to lower it to something my cpu can do
ashen cliff
You don't need one.
magic river
I dunno if they're just using AVX with a lane size of 1 or what
ashen cliff
You can get 64 bit stuff on a 32 bit CPU, just slow.
lilac moon
yeah but isnt that because of hardware support
magic river
x86 actually has an explicit 64-bit multiply on 32-bit
frank otter
would it just like to link support libraries? like how sometimes binaries randomly link in GNU floating-point math
magic river
Just multiply though afaik
frank otter
might be gcc-libs not gnu
ashen cliff
A lot of microcode magic goes into it, but yeah. I mean, they even made 32 bit CPUs with PAE, because why not.
magic river
Yeah, that would be a part of the libcompiler-rt or libm libraries some stuff ends up linking to
twin lagoon
spark is on track to replace timings
mild rune
holy shit
lilac moon
nice
twin lagoon
shit looks bussin
lilac moon
i stopped using it a bit back though because it was causing jvm crashes for me
mild rune
frfr
lilac moon
ill have to test and see if that still happens so i can actually report it
magic river
C23 is going to have this https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n2709.pdf
So everyone get N-bit support
golden gust
I just wish it didn't have the timings v1 limitation 😦
lilac moon
wholesome
twin lagoon
the what limitation
golden gust
the "everything is flatpacked and averaged out"
lilac moon
flatpak
twin lagoon
@jade mountain fix it 
although that would probably require a serious rewrite
although maybe it wouldn't
golden gust
Like, I just semi wish that it was more possible to drill down into the data vs "this is however many ticks which you can't know however but this is how long that arbitary number of ticks took"
twin lagoon
would be dope to add a historical view like timings
golden gust
Like, that's pretty much the primary thing against me just blindly recommending spark profiles for everything
jade mountain
:]
lilac moon
yeah
golden gust
NO PRESSURE
twin lagoon
lots of pressure
golden gust
(Also, game rules, because random ticks)
jade mountain
can try! the two things I'd say are:
1- if you're only running for roughly 1min at a time (my recommendation) then having everything averaged is oki
2- to capture "laggy ticks" only (similar to what timings does), use the --only-ticks-over flag. this will only record samples for ticks which take longer than x amount of time to complete
gamerules I can do!
twin lagoon
can try! the two things I'd say are:
1- if you're only running for roughly 1min ...
1 is a good point, cat's issue would be more for continuous profiling
which i guess spark isn't really intended for unlike timings
jade mountain
yea, that is true
golden gust
I just hate the arbitary # of ticks
twin lagoon
would be very neat to have though since then it could replace timings
golden gust
at the very least, maybe I missed it, log the number of samples in play
lilac moon
what if you could pick multipel levels for --only-ticks-over
so like groups of tick-times
jade mountain
at the very least, maybe I missed it, log the number of samples in play
sure - can definitely add that. just to confirm we are on the same page - you want to display the number of samples that make up the profile, and the number of ticks that occurred during the profile?
visual egret
spark in paper confirmed 
golden gust
Yes
jade mountain
ok I will add to my list :]
golden gust
That way you can get a better guess of how long stuff actually took relative to what's going on
Like, you know entities are gonna hurt, it's just summarising up how much of a hurt they're having in a give period of time
jade mountain
👍 makes sense
foggy silo
@jade mountain Curious, what did you use to import these assets? https://github.com/lucko/spark-viewer/blob/d384b34a0e348ec9b5b6680eb62b1b34406a1495/src/assets/icons-minecraft-0.5.png
(specially stuff like the 3d models)
jade mountain
visual egret
that looks like a copyright violation, no?
magic river
They're super lax about that kind of thing for mods and such
The thing is for MC and doesn't claim to be MC so... you're probably fine
Although only because you aren't annoying Grum too much
golden gust
the guidelines don't seem to have anything against it
worthy geode
My only small little annoyance with spark is that you need to click way more to get to the actual thing that's causing lag.
An "Expand all" button is probably a bit too much, but idk, it just feels a bit harder
lilac moon
time to integrate spark directly into timings itself :trol:
worthy geode
no
ripe sphinx
why is it cringe?
ripe sphinx
I'm guessing it means rainbow-ifying a logo to support pride?
visual egret
google says its for profit
worthy geode
so wheres the profit smh
visual egret
which is annoying, yeah, but like half of the people here are lgbt in some way
so i doubt paper is doing it because they're evil capitalists
what
sweet gale
auctully not the most annoying logo I've seen tbh
visual egret
are you trying to imply that rainbow logos = turning kids gay
ripe sphinx
I'm going to summon @mental meadow because I think this will go downhill
worthy geode
this does not feel like a critique of the logo from a design POV, yeah
lament patio
Hope you get over rainbows too
visual egret
what you mean by "protecting" children is not educating them. when you dont educate children about something that happens to them bad things happen. it's like not telling young children about puberty. or sex ed. it's needed, and if you disagree you're simply wrong.
visual egret
wheres aurora 😖
worthy geode
what you mean by "protecting" children is not educating them. when you dont educ...
can I become pregnant by kissing?
visual egret
nvm they're gone
visual egret
_can I become pregnant by kissing?_
mommy and daddy said...
ripe sphinx
this does not feel like a critique of the logo from a design POV, yeah
I mean tbf I'm not a huge fan of paper's way of adding the flag, like I'm obviously in support of having it, just maybe having it color the plane instead of the background would look a little less busy
mild rune
No hand holding till after marriage
worthy geode
The Syscraft logo did it better imo
visual egret
yeah, the syscraft one looks pretty
worthy geode
No hand holding till after marriage
but how do I do the stuff with the ring during the marriage ceremony then. oh no!
visual egret
mild rune
but how do I do the stuff with the ring during the marriage ceremony then. oh no...
fuck you got me
worthy geode
https://cdn.discordapp.com/icons/731708996997742702/a_742def49897421ba0f6c7da16f...
its even animated, the rainbow moves!
sweet gale
Damnn haha
That is auctully neat lol
visual egret
animation wasn't in the budget for inspect element
ripe sphinx
lemme grab the gif of it
vernal moth
Discord android moment
mild rune
average discord moment
worthy geode
they left the server
ripe sphinx
sweet gale
Lmao
mild rune
damn that icon is sick
sweet gale
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/731971508439613490/849099303619526696/ima...
That is amazing haha
ripe sphinx
I wish it looped cleanly but otherwise it's awesome
ripe sphinx
(it used to be a bit more subtle with just das blinkenlights being rainbow instead of normal red/yellow/green, but then someone made the graph rainbow too and here we are)
golden gust
I hate the current logo, too much going on
ripe sphinx
Yeah I like kyori's too
vernal moth
Yeah it's too much in ya face
sweet gale
The one in the wled server is pretty neat also tbh
Android is a pain to get images so this'll have to do haha
ripe sphinx
I still like the kyori pride logo the most
kyori's for those not in their server: https://cdn.discordapp.com/icons/319355592605040642/cafdbd59ad90fbc5490fa53fd2f2c7b0.webp
vernal moth
It's just awesome
mild rune
damn that one is nice
visual egret
kyori is epic in every way
ripe sphinx
Nice and simple
visual egret
how do they do it
worthy geode
it looks really nice, although I have no idea what the landscape represents
ripe sphinx
how do they do it
the power of kashike
thorny totem
lol webp
vernal moth
Nor sure if that's also of auroras creation
ripe sphinx
it looks really nice, although I have no idea what the landscape represents
probably something to do with adventure
sweet gale
Geysermc one is also not bad I think
sweet gale
Lol
mild rune
webp is good 
thorny totem
blame discord
blame web standards
visual egret
blame IANA
sweet gale
Online converters be like:
h e l l o t h e r e
vernal moth
Webp is good and every website should use it
mild rune
^
visual egret
i wish there was just one converter that worked for everything
sweet gale
The dank memer community one is also pretty good
thorny totem
when you try saving a gif file but it gives you webp extension (MC wiki fandom, allay by example)
lament patio
i wish there was just one converter that worked for everything
Well, for media there's ffmpeg, kinda
sweet gale
Sorry about using screenshots btw haha
visual egret
ffmpeg is confusing in terms of arguments
ripe sphinx
I also like ptero's subtle one of the ptero holding rainbow flags
vernal moth
Image magick for pictures
visual egret
if i want something done quickly i am not learning 50 command line arguments for ffmpeg, imagemagick, etc
sweet gale
The one in the 3dnow server is also pretty good haha
lament patio
Hmm, maybe there are GUI wrappers
visual egret
VLC works well for media, the interface is relatively straightforward
sweet gale
Easier to see if I share it this way haha
It's pretty subtle tbh
jovial plover
i found a fair few pcs in my price range
ripe sphinx
I'm not a fan of when people either swap a solid colored background for the flag, or mask their logo onto it. Usually ends up looking not great, too busy.
I suspect that's why I like kyori and ptero, they worked the rainbow into their design.
unkempt jackal
im only in like 2 public discords
visual egret
i used to have a gay one, my friend made it for me
worthy geode
okay the ptero is also kinda cute
visual egret
lost the file though, so no pride month logo for me
golden gust
Yea, I mean, our OG pride logo was just with the paper sbeing colored, but, you literally couldn't even see it
jovial plover
electroniccat
thorny totem
ripe sphinx
I remember I had one that swapped my green for rainbow but it was also too busy
sweet gale
Imma go try and find my old pride code lol
ripe sphinx
maybe if I was to make another one I'd have it be a ring like my ukraine
vernal moth
if i want something done quickly i am not learning 50 command line arguments for...
magick dum.png dum.webp, lol
visual egret
its that simple?
mild rune
tbh it's real hard to make a pride logo without it being either too busy or just really impossible to tell what it is
worthy geode
its hard making a pride profile picture without actually having a real profile picture
mild rune
also for the webp shit. If you use cloudflare and have pro or higher on a domain you can just turn on a toggle 
unkempt jackal
im trying to open up inspect element to grab the full res of a server's logo but I can't?
wanted to share MCXR's pride logo
sweet gale
tbh it's real hard to make a pride logo without it being either too busy or just...
The explosions and fire one is pretty good though imo
visual egret
theres probably some website for that
sweet gale
Most likely is
This is their one btw
unkempt jackal
MCXR
jovial plover
found a 32gb ram 1tb ssd intel core 17 pc for £300
ripe sphinx
probably some specific pride flag, not sure which one though
jovial plover
i7*
worthy geode
used I assume, Deveroonie?
vernal moth
Well, gonna be a first gen i7 then 😂
jovial plover
yes
worthy geode
yeah still suspiciously cheap
vernal moth
i7 means absolutely nothing
jovial plover
want a link?
vernal moth
Sure
jovial plover
vernal moth
Kek
jovial plover
very long
sweet gale
This one turned the letters into pride bascilly
golden gust
3rd gen
jovial plover
?
vernal moth
It's an decade old
warm anchor
That’s something I found in my basement
sweet gale
And overpriced
worthy geode
but people run minecraft servers on those /s
golden gust
heard what was good? i7?
warm anchor
When it comes out a decades ago
golden gust
Like, i7 covers like, literally 15 years of CPUs
vernal moth
The optiplex 7010 is from 2012
jovial plover
whats the lates then
vernal moth
It's e waste
jovial plover
i think it's sus
sweet gale
but people run minecraft servers on those /s
Ironically I ran a server on a similar machine once
golden gust
We're on like 11th, 12th gen?
ripe sphinx
we're up to like 12th gen now iirc?
jovial plover
but the feedback
golden gust
12th
sweet gale
It's overpriced also tbh
jovial plover
of the seller
vernal moth
No, it's just old office machines they resell, it's normal, and it's good that they are continuing to have a use
But for devs it's e-waste
sweet gale
No, it's just old office machines they resell, it's normal, and it's good that t...
Yep agreed
jovial plover
for that ram and ssd its cheap as shit
vernal moth
It's DDR3
jovial plover
isnt that good
vernal moth
Used ssds is really meh too
sweet gale
isnt that good
Not really anymore
vernal moth
We at DDR5
stuck lava
jovial plover
ddr5 came out what, like, 5 minutes ago
sweet gale
A year or so ago now
vernal moth
That's the spec
jovial plover
i first heard about it 6 months ago
vernal moth
Actual CPUs just now starting to use it
stuck lava
ddr3 is fine for budget stuff
jovial plover
yea
sweet gale
ddr4 is still the most common though in newer stuff tbh
jovial plover
yes
stuck lava
think best price/performance u can get now is probably i5/7 3rd/4th gen + SSD + RX570 4GB / 1060 3GB
sweet gale
I'm just waiting for prices to fall when ddr5 gets more widely used and upgrade my old corsair vengeance lpx ram to some better stuff haha
stuck lava
think best price/performance u can get now is probably i5/7 3rd/4th gen + SSD + ...
nvm, not best p/p, best cheap budget PC
jovial plover
think best price/performance u can get now is probably i5/7 3rd/4th gen + SSD + ...
i need >4g
vernal moth
But searching for optiplex is not a bad option if you are on a budget
But don't go below Skylake
So 6th gen
stuck lava
4gb+ VRAM?
stuck lava
6th gen is not really worth it over 4th gen tho?
jovial plover
ram?
sweet gale
8gb
jovial plover
sheeeee
vernal moth
Need to throw in a new SSD and you good to go I guess
stuck lava
6th gen is not really worth it over 4th gen tho?
at which point it would make sense to look at 8th gen, at which point... 10400 or something would also be appealing but ur already at 500eur or so
without gpu
jovial plover
only issue is it's from de/germany so they might not ship to me here in england
stuck lava
what's the point? chipsets won't support anything above 7th gen
vernal moth
You not getting a dGPU in a system for under 500, lol
lilac moon
virustotal is crazy
golden gust
they're on a shit budget
golden gust
but yea, I mean, as said, for that budget you are kinda screwed
I would also consider looking into upgrade boxes
i.e. machines which might have a bit of wiggle room still
but, tbqh, where that's possible theres generally preupgraded machines
lilac moon
virustotal is crazy
it says my program makes 3 network requests but it's literally just a hello world i cross-compiled to windows
lilac moon
apparently im rate limited now for more than 1000 requests to virusttoal within an hour
1000 requests of what???
vernal moth
I bet there are resellers like this in the UK too
stuck lava
4th gen i5/i7 with 8/16gb ram + SSD will be probably like 150 EUR, and rx570 / gtx1060 probably another 100, 120 EUR
if u get lucky on ebay
jovial plover
20 euro for 240g but 15 for 256????
jovial plover
gtg it's almost half past midnight
stuck lava
it's 1:22AM
jovial plover
adios
vernal moth
Oh it's a Quadro
stuck lava
well
vernal moth
A Quadro with 1gb VRAM sounds fun
sweet gale
it says my program makes 3 network requests but it's literally just a hello worl...
Multiple files maybe 🤔
stuck lava
would say it would be appealing considering the cost of used 4th/6th gen
vernal moth
Case is optional, gpu too
fallen grotto
screw cases
stuck lava
not with F cpu without igpu
fallen grotto
cardboard box
vernal moth
Oh it's F
sweet gale
Haha just do the diy perks method and build one
stuck lava
well cheapest I5
lilac moon
Multiple files maybe 🤔
its only one file though, and im sure nothing in this is making any network requests
fn main() {
let x: u128 = 340282366920938463463374607431768211455;
println!("{:?}", x);
}
lol
vernal moth
And investing another 20 bucks into an actual brand PSU is mandatory
sweet gale
its only one file though, and im sure nothing in this is making any network requ...
Weird haha
vernal moth
Don't buy sketch PSUs