Thanks guys! Sorry if I wrote in the wrong place or have broken the rules. I had no idea what to search, hence I asked here.
#general
solemn crescent
mental meadow
a lot of people shouting without knowing what they are talking about
warm anchor
Thanks guys! Sorry if I wrote in the wrong place or have broken the rules. I had...
No you are fine.
golden gust
but, I guess, at the same point, it's somewhat nuanced when your statement is "fuck you for supporting the gays" leaves
green edge
Issue is people from middle east, eastern Europe have no context of what pride even is, and their education is to shun it
solemn crescent
Oh!
green edge
but, I guess, at the same point, it's somewhat nuanced when your statement is "f...
When you say that it means you're toxic
true canyon
The /r/games thread on the chat stuff started super FUD and went downhill from there last I saw, with like one comment pointing it out
warm anchor
I do think we need a command to link to @quasi valley ‘a gh issue response
I can foresee a lot more repeat discussion coming here 
coarse venture
foresee? It's already been like this for a bit 😄
mental meadow
not really
coarse venture
i can leave for 6 hours, come back, and it's still the same chat. same stupid arguments, same stubbornness
mental meadow
na, but they've been building up on that for a long time
but not the place to discuss politics
coarse venture
slatt; go google, read some news.
shy eagle
Nope not really random at all, a smaller group of people have really pushed hard for it
coarse venture
Read more than the headline 😄
true canyon
i can leave for 6 hours, come back, and it's still the same chat. same stupid ar...
It'll fade away soon enough. I'm thinking 2025.
warm anchor
A lot of things in the world, there is no why 
we live in chaos
golden gust
The things standing was weak and has been called for being overturned for decades
coarse venture
It'll fade away soon enough. I'm thinking 2025.
🥃 optimist
golden gust
the party which apparently cared didn't care to deal with it
long story short
but, no politics
void void
It'll fade away soon enough. I'm thinking 2025.
Right after hangar is released
warm anchor
We gotta stop or @cunning raft will come out here
unkempt jackal
coarse venture
Right after hangar is released
is that before or after dynescape going live?
calm down, im kiiidddding..
shy eagle
Paper chan is ❤️
unkempt jackal
shy eagle
Happy Friday everyone, well for us that are off on the weekends at least xD
coarse venture
mmm, rum time soon
shy eagle
My area is having their pride festivals this weekend, so I feel sorry for all the bartenders and those who work at the clubs. They will be super busy but hopefully good tips
coarse venture
It should rain soon, but no wind here really, so i can chill on my balcony, feet up, little bit of 78% lindt chocolate, some rum, bit of music
shy eagle
I am a weirdo that does not like social stuff so I will be playing video games this weekend xD
coarse venture
i got one of each, it will last me until the end of the year.
unkempt jackal
I have to into town sometime today but if I just keep putting it off, then it doesn't happen and instead I'll think about doing it tomorrow
coarse venture
do it now!
shy eagle
These are my favorite chocolates, but they are only in certain states xD
coarse venture
every state, if you drive enough.
shy eagle
So yummy tho tastes like cheesecake
warm anchor
i got one of each, it will last me until the end of the year.
If I get one of each, I’d be lucky to still have them over the weekend
coarse venture
That dark, it's kinda nice to just have a bit, a nibble, slowly let it melt. Not enjoy the bitterness when i just bite a huge chunk. Though the 70% one tastes nice and sweet now.
visual egret
These are my favorite chocolates, but they are only in certain states xD
to get that here you have to get to amsterdam 😀
shy eagle
I love Colorado for that, we are a bit spoiled compared to other states in the USA.
coarse venture
I am 15 minutes away from amsterdam. soo
visual egret
or talk to the Snapchat plugs 🤢 and risk a criminal record
ashen cliff
i got one of each, it will last me until the end of the year.
The 90% gang.
shy eagle
Setting up a bamboo farm and using it for smelting stuff has been the best choice. I have a hopper mincart loading stuff up automatically. Now I only need coal just for torches and not waste it on smelting
coarse venture
my lawdy, there's a new Beavis and Butt-head movie? O_o lol
shy eagle
I will have to look that up. I think aqua teen hunger force is also coming out with a new movie too!
coarse venture
oh haha
strong sky
any guide for 1.18.2 server optimization?
warm anchor
the new config system isn't the best
Thanks for the feedback
shy eagle
It’s just different, if you were used to the old config it’s confusing at first though I am guessing for some the ability to set different configs per world is pretty useful
pulsar tide
You were already able to
shy eagle
Hopefully the wiki gets updated with all the details, when I first updated to 1.19 I could not find documentation about it
golden gust
The conversation for it was open for a good while
You where more than welcome to speak your peace then
Now we have a system which is more portable in terms of transferring worlds
and a much more organised config
pulsar tide
Oh god, speaking your opinion is no longer allowed? 
golden gust
Well, you're more than welcome to speak it
unkempt jackal
"You will use the /config directory"
pulsar tide
everything has been discussed before
radiant fable
"You will use the /config directory"
1984…
pulsar tide
but what they do with said discussions is up to them
radiant fable
that was a great book tbh
golden gust
shy eagle
I am curious if a Java app that lets you change all the config though a GUI would be popular.
spiral robin
Right cause editing files is very difficult
spiral robin
unkempt jackal
it would be cool if that app even had presets you could customize
pulsar tide
it would be cool if Paper gave a choice how your configs were organised
shy eagle
Ya but some people do like drop down boxes and stuff.
pulsar tide
leaves
golden gust
I did ask about a config option but there was generally little argument for it and nobody really said anything on it in the various dozen public convos we had about it
At the end of the day, if people say nothing, we have very little to go off
spiral robin
At the end of the day, if people say nothing, we have very little to go off
Unacceptable honestly. You need to invest in mind reading tech so you can appease all of the papermc users
pulsar tide
Unacceptable honestly. You need to invest in mind reading tech so you can appeas...
exactly!
golden gust
for what?
Oh, you mean the structure thing
Yes, we've also been speaking to mojang about it for a few reasons
hm?
Well, hangar is a WIP
hard fork is naunced
tawdry girder
I will say, Purpur has been accused of removing paper.yml or no longer being a Paper fork due to the config change
golden gust
pmsl
tawdry girder
Probably a good idea to really push to inform everyone everywhere
golden gust
Well, we want hangar out and running before we hard fork for obvious reasons
We have various annoucements about it
Really, we can't do too much more than announcements
pulsar tide
you didn't though, the only thing mentioned was in #admin-announcements
tawdry girder
I haven't seen any announcements tbh, and I follow both #announcements and #admin-announcements
void void
it was in the announcement post
pulsar tide
that's not an announcement, and not everyone will read that
void void
it's linked in the discord posts 
golden gust
We posted it in the channel where people ask for changelogs, and the annoucement post, and in #❗ 1.19
make sure that plugins are updated
enable the memory indicator thing if you haven't and keep an eye on that
for something that deep, just hit invalidate caches
flush caches will peddle you through steps mostly specific to that signular project
invalidate will yeet the entire state
speaking of states which should be yeeted, hai bro
ashen cliff
I am curious if a Java app that lets you change all the config though a GUI woul...
As a Java app, probably not.
unkempt jackal
california
ashen cliff
Thank you.
golden gust
- california? is that the thing which cancer causes?
ashen cliff
Somehow, the Balkans are doing better than the USA today...
golden gust
Well, except, you know, the thing
ashen cliff
There are many things.
warm anchor
that's not an announcement, and not everyone will read that
I mean that's pretty much what we can do? Do you want a paperMC mail list? 
plus if you @ everyone people will be more pissed
golden gust
No they won't lol
warm anchor
3) california? is that the thing which cancer causes?
The existence of California can only be confirmed by the warning on US food label yes.
golden gust
For days after 1.19 was released, we had people asking when 1.19 would release
People don't read
We've already posted the info in 3 places
pulsar tide
some do, some don't
golden gust
Little reason to waste more time throwing info we've already thrown out 3 times
warm anchor
A proper server owner will 1. check official announcement on forum (which has the information)
2. Check the most active social media (which is Discord and also has the say information)
Do you want us to send you physical mail about the change? 
I would personally be ok to get a handwritten mail from cat 
pulsar tide
you're both assuming people are either bad or good
it's about reaching as many people as you can
warm anchor
Probably a good idea to really push to inform everyone everywhere
I mean we have been accursed of moving timing site as well because purpur stop hosting their own. This is just part of being a split community.
Just do your best to keep your user informed 
warm anchor
it's about reaching as many people as you can
you cant force people to read hence cat's point so 
tawdry girder
oh this convo came back
just sent electronic a message elsewhere because there was another convo happening here
warm anchor
I was just backreading
I think syscraft has the best newsfeed
in terms of getting MC related use on bukkit side.
pulsar tide
you cant force people to read hence cat's point so <:phossure:721385991721451611...
not at all the point
warm anchor
yeah Larry is epic!
pulsar tide
I'm saying, including it in the announcement would reach more people
thus, it would've been the better choice
warm anchor
magic river
heh, people are sharing https://www.germany-visa.org/immigration-residence-permit/immigration-germany/ on twitter
ashen cliff
[Censored.]
molten egret
No credit allowed
warm anchor
heh, people are sharing https://www.germany-visa.org/immigration-residence-permi...
twitter moment
unkempt drift
No, because we want world portability. If you copy and paste the world folder, it should retain its settings.
Didn’t we put the config changes in the announcement?
void void
paper.yml.xml*
warm anchor
We did but people claim we should do more
unkempt drift
Oh, machine, paper.yml.txt
Yeah, it’s sitting in my local branches. I was waiting for sulu to finish a guide so we could link it, but I think he’s busy for a week or so.
molten egret
paper.yml.xml*
No one likes xml
unkempt drift
We were just gonna add a replacement file that is a text file to point to the new folder
spiral robin
we gonna send Noah out to distribute flyers about the yml change
Official papermc mail boy
warm anchor
TRUE
golden gust
a guide for what?
unkempt drift
So when people look for paper.yml, they see that txt file, open it, read it, and see where the new thing is
unkempt drift
a guide for what?
Umm lemme see
void void
that feels slightly late
warm anchor
So when people look for paper.yml, they see that txt file, open it, read it, and...
haaaalp I think my paper broke my paper.yml got turn into this weird .txt file
golden gust
Like, I thought that the thing was reogranised
unkempt drift
tawdry girder
Discussed with electronic, I give him full permission to "leak" the discussion if inquired
molten egret
Best way to distribute changes is to Hyjack the us gov emergency notification system
void void
my fellow americans, your paper.yml file will no longer be in the root directory of your server
molten egret
Nah
golden gust
I mean, I rally don't wanna brain, but, do we maybe just wanna create a "in progress" page which links to the per world/global config in the meantile
warm anchor
my fellow americans, your paper.yml file will no longer be in the root directory...
Can you type that in southern American accent
molten egret
The news will pick it up
unkempt jackal
imagine your phone makes a loud sound and you look at it and its like: "Presidential alert: Paper.yml has moved. Click here for more details"
unkempt drift
I mean, I rally don't wanna brain, but, do we maybe just wanna create a "in prog...
As long as it redirects, I don’t really wanna handle updating the file later. So we put a link, that maybe goes somewhere else. Could just redirect to the forum post for now.
void void
Can you type that in southern American accent
no
golden gust
Well, my thoughts was to just park whatever page sulu was going to create with a "this page is currently in the works, however, click here for info", or whatever
I really just, been up 19 hours and have the IQ of such
unkempt drift
That works. But idk where that page should go.
So I was just waiting for someone else to do that 😛
golden gust
@wraith trail hai, am big fan
wraith trail
Yeah idc do whatever, not able to work on anything here for a week or two
spiral robin
Can you type that in southern American accent
Guns n FREEDOM y’all
elfin haven
muted storm
Guns n FREEDOM y’all
Guns n FREEDOM* y'all
*FREEDOM™️ is subject to interpretation and may not apply to all individuals
tropic flame
https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/simply-no-report that was quick
based
magic river
The strip signature option will likely one day just mean no one can see your messages
And converting to system messages means people can't disable chat
worthy geode
just provide an /ignore command in your chatplugin
magic river
Now the server knows who I'm ignoring which means the moderator friend of the creep I ignored can tell them
worthy geode
if thats something happening on the server, and can't be resolved by talking to higher-up staff, you probably should just leave the server though
magic river
This server is where all your friends play
worthy geode
you don't want them exposed to the creep 😄
Idk. Either people blow this problem out of proportion, or there is really a lot of bad servers out there and I never noticed. I personally think we put a lot of effort into moderation and providing a good environment (especially for a PvP server), so this just makes me a bit sad
warm anchor
I think the chat reporting is nice in a sense say if the server owner is the bad actor or sided with the bad actor, it gives the victim an official way of submitting reports
it's not like we had never seem case like that before
tropic flame
I think the chat reporting is nice in a sense say if the server owner is the bad...
ig that can be a point
worthy geode
very pointy drones
tropic flame
now if only Mojang wrote somewhere "use this system after the server's own moderation has been shown ineffective"
magic river
Many/most of the categories Mojang has reporting options for are things that probably should just get you booted from every server
I think there is only one category in there I would say they should just remove and one or two that are going to be a minefield
worn ember
@ashen cliff since you're the network guy, have you ever worked with FTDI and D2XX? i have a hub that converts digital USB signals to DMX but i can't for the life of me get a proper communication going
tropic flame
I think there is only one category in there I would say they should just remove ...
which one(s)?
coarse venture
https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper
isn't it supposed to be For a sneak peek at upcoming features, see here
?
unkempt drift
well we hardly use projects in a meaningful way
tropic flame
because ngl a concern of mine is that they may try to automate their system once they see reports en masse and realize they don't have enough humans for reviewing
worn ember
good song tho
ripe sphinx
watcha doing that involves what looks like 100 drones in a tent out of interest?
coarse venture
Has anybody experienced any issues using alternate-current on a redstone world yet?
anything i have to keep in mind, or can i safely switch and forget about it
magic river
Haven't heard of anything
So far people saying their redstone is being weird with AC have in fact just not understood how redstone works
coarse venture
like .. players
i dunno how they all use redstone. they make something until it works i guess.
magic river
Redstone quasiconnectivity is weird, if you don't understand the nuances of it and run in to it right after changing the redstone implementation you're likely to blame the switch
That's come up a couple times iirc
unkempt jackal
people are more likely to run into something like quasiconnectivity right after they switch to AC, since they'll be thinking about redstone and on the lookout for strange things
green edge
because ngl a concern of mine is that they may try to automate their system once...
Yeah, that is highly probabble in my opinion
They may have an AI try to sort chat based on toxicity levels
and they will punish only the harsh extremes
coarse venture
Thanks for the extra info, I might just try it on one of the server and ask the regulars to check their redstone in 1.19, and based on their feedback, try eigen, and repeat, and otherwise fall back to vanilla again
coarse venture
good to know.
i read the docs, but didn't see a warning on paper docs about it.
maybe ill just stick to vanilla and not worry about it.
worthy geode
its only really worth changing if you have a large amount of redstone machines/farms on your server, on a lot of servers redstone really isn't a big performance concern anyways
unkempt drift
well vanilla redstone hardly is good either, see this issue https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/7696
worthy geode
yeah, if you are running a technical server you probably want to use fabric
lilac moon
ive been using eigencraft, maybe i should switch to alternate current
spiral robin
@warm anchor 
warm anchor
<@177150983258767360> <:lovege:827937351375257651>
worn ember
spare venture
hey they are advertising my server
worn ember
is that server still up?
spare venture
no one lives on mars
unkempt jackal
how do you know?
warm anchor
But Elon promised me they would soon
worn ember
no one lives on mars
we could be the first!!
spare venture
ded asking to partner with me? 😳
worn ember
its kinda funny how banners havent changed much over the last 10 years
other than them being higher res and less laggy
covert pier
for those who have this error message, the problematic plugin is certainly PinPrompt!
ashen cliff
<@219443401974611970> since you're the network guy, have you ever worked with FT...
Welcome to hell.
Try a NATIVE USB 2.0 port.
Now, before someone says, that all USB 3.0 ports are 2.0. They are not.
Under the 3.0 spec, you don't have to provide real 2.0 support.
magic river
I don't have any native USB 2.0 ports
This was a problem with my Logitech Harmony remote too, I had to borrow someone's 10 year old laptop to configure it
ashen cliff
Some "new" 2.0 devices are forced to also do USB 2.0 over 3.0 lines, just because of this.
magic river
Motherboards will usually have a couple on the back but I have a mini ITX board, no room to waste on junk ports 😛
ashen cliff
Thank you AsROCK X99E-ITX for having 8 USB ports.
teal flare
anybody knows how to make 1.19 goat horns hearable from far away?
elfin haven
playsound to everyone every time any goat horn event is fired
teal flare
playsound to everyone every time any goat horn event is fired <:kekwhyper:674093...
wouldnt help really cause of different goat horns
it should be hearable from 32 chunks but it isnt
as soon as i lose sight of my friend he cant hear it
dire kestrel
when starting a new server I get this, the other servers are started fine. but I wanted to add a new modality as I have done before and that appears on the console repeatedly without letting the player enter
[19:39:43] [Netty Epoll Server IO #1/WARN]: An exceptionCaught() event was fired, and it reached at the tail of the pipeline. It usually means the last handler in the pipeline did not handle the exception.
java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to access address of buffer
at io.netty.channel.epoll.Native.read(Native Method) ~[PaperSpigot.jar:git-PaperSpigot-"4c7641d"]
at io.netty.channel.epoll.EpollSocketChannel$EpollSocketUnsafe.doReadBytes(EpollSocketChannel.java:678) [PaperSpigot.jar:git-PaperSpigot-"4c7641d"]
at io.netty.channel.epoll.EpollSocketChannel$EpollSocketUnsafe.epollInReady(EpollSocketChannel.java:714) [PaperSpigot.jar:git-PaperSpigot-"4c7641d"]
at io.netty.channel.epoll.EpollSocketChannel$EpollSocketUnsafe$3.run(EpollSocketChannel.java:755) [PaperSpigot.jar:git-PaperSpigot-"4c7641d"]
at io.netty.util.concurrent.SingleThreadEventExecutor.runAllTasks(SingleThreadEventExecutor.java:380) [PaperSpigot.jar:git-PaperSpigot-"4c7641d"]
at io.netty.channel.epoll.EpollEventLoop.run(EpollEventLoop.java:268) [PaperSpigot.jar:git-PaperSpigot-"4c7641d"]
at io.netty.util.concurrent.SingleThreadEventExecutor$2.run(SingleThreadEventExecutor.java:116) [PaperSpigot.jar:git-PaperSpigot-"4c7641d"]
at java.base/java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:829) [?:?]
golden gust
wrong java version for that version of the server
warm anchor
!warn @dire kestrel you had been told in #paper-help spamming other channel will not produce different result
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Warned Sheimox#7370 (you had been told in #289587909051416579 spamming other channel will not produce different result) [1 total infraction] -- EterNity#0001.
dire kestrel
wrong java version for that version of the server
ohhh if it could be that I have made a mistake, I will check it, thank you very much
dire kestrel
!warn <@422568551707312129> you had been told in <#289587909051416579> spamming ...
They told me on that channel that they no longer support versions other than the latest 🙄
golden gust
Well, that's true
true canyon
That applies to the whole server
warm anchor
vagrant marlin
That applies to the whole server
cant be!
twin lagoon
@true canyon
potent wedge
[19:39:43] [Netty Epoll Server IO #1/WARN]: An exceptionCaught() event was fired...
Use code blocks to do things like that too you can start it with three consecutive `
void void
omw to report people for profanity on 1.19.1
worthy geode
please read the actual help article
they removed that category, as well as the other really problematic ones
ashen cliff
Just join the AuthMe Discord server.
Plenty of examples there.
warm anchor
I cannot imagine how fucking hyped those users are finally sticking one to Microsoft. They must think
smh
pastel reef
Why does stuff like this happen?
potent wedge
Damn glut
fallen grotto
aa minecraft is still down
worn ember
Why does stuff like this happen?
compact mode 
unkempt jackal
because you're rendering the game at 216 pixels vertically
thorny totem
backup starting, prepare for possible lag
fallen grotto
Anyone else getting Couldn't verify username because servers are unavailable error?
oh huh, it looks like my server cannot connect to the internet or smth
magic river
It's somewhat common for cloud setups to be completely firewalled off
Or for people to mess up firewall rules and block everything
fallen grotto
its a dedi i probably messed up firewall
magic river
The most common thing they miss is allowing DNS
If you don't allow DNS it can't find the Mojang server
fallen grotto
wdym allow dns, where?
magic river
In your firewall
If you're blocking all outgoing traffic it can't do anything but even if you punch a hole to allow connections to Mojang auth servers if you don't also punch a hole for DNS it can't find those servers
Or, if not a firewall, you might just have a broken DNS configuration
fallen grotto
thing is that timings report also doesnt work
magic river
Yeah, that could still be either of the things I said
Bad firewall setup or broken DNS configuration
What does nslookup google.com give you?
(on the server)
fallen grotto
magic river
So DNS is working (and is probably using systemd-resolved)
That would point to firewall issues I guess
fallen grotto
these r my current rules
magic river
Or you're missing ca-certificates or whatever your distro calls the package so can't verify any TLS connections
fallen grotto
i think tls works because i have a mail service that runs over TLS
magic river
This isn't incoming, this is outgoing
potent wedge
true canyon
<@71627708521512960>
🥺
spiral robin
Considerable delay
true canyon
I was eating...
warm anchor
Took you 25 minutes for that one emoji
Higanbana is typing…
gray tulip
Anyone else getting Couldn't verify username because servers are unavailable err...
the servers are down
worthy geode
just use fabric and sodium
warm anchor
I can only imagine how messy the code is
There is replacement for everything but that OF model engine thing iirc
worthy geode
can't vanilla do the CIT stuff anyways?
https://modrinth.com/mod/cit-resewn
There is also this
unkempt jackal
cit resewn works great ^ (according to my friend)
sinful urchin
what do allays do while its player is disconnected from a server?
silver nexus
They continuously sob violently until the player returns iirc.
unkempt jackal
mine especially cry because they are also tied up on leads 24/7
sinful urchin
thats what i like to hear
marble lark
jesus lmao
tired fog
I can only imagine how messy the code is <:PepeLa:798951090539987004>
if its still anything like it is in an MCP decompiled workspace, its god awful
a lot of the messiness comes from all the forge hooks he has to add (back) in since he overrides so much of mc
magic river
1x PCIe 7 is the same bandwidth as 16x PCIe 4
mild rune
jesus
lilac moon
i spent 3 hours today in rust just figuring out the basics of how to use axum and hyper
all that for a test just to request a url and return the response, and handle errors
deep flax
Ive spend like 4 hours trying to setup a proper java project.. I don't use any of those fancy IDEs that do it for you, so yea all my fault.
lilac moon
oh yeah glad i dont use java
it took like a minute or two to set up the rust project with just cli but thats all because i was reading the docs for axum just to see if they wanted me to do anything special
unkempt jackal
SurvivalGuy... install intelliJ,...
it is a very good IDE that makes it easier to setup proper java projects
daring moth
Can PaperMC add a function to let the server bypass this function, and you can switch it on or off for this.
unkempt drift
no
daring moth
Sad
elder sluice
Cause it uses Minecraft source code.
Same reason he can't legally use a team either.
void void
How did he get the source code
deep flax
how does that work? you click on a player's message and report it? idk
elder sluice
How did he get the source code
I believe he has a deal with Mojang
void void
how does that work? you click on a player's message and report it? idk
And one wrong move and they get banned from everything online on Minecraft
elder sluice
Could be incorrect tho I have no genuine answer
deep flax
here is an idea, cancel all player messages from being sent to other player and change them into a tellraw message sent by the server.. idk if this is what you are trying to accomplish or how the reporting works
merry talon
how about u just don't go out of ur way to protect shitheads who are a danger to others
there's an idea
daring laurel
lol
this is gonna be like offlinemode
okay everyone has an opinnion but if you dont share my opinion get out
unkempt jackal
warm anchor
merry talon
if your opinion is that people should be allowed to say whatever horrible and hateful things they want then it is not a valid opinion and you are not entitled to it
k thx
daring laurel
if your opinion is that people should only be allowed to say what the big and almighty microsoft nice words only police say you dont have a valid opinion and you are not entitled to it
k thx
warm anchor
reading the FAQ, that's not exactly what the chat moderation is trying to do
merry talon
oh lord
coarse venture
You're 100% correct, if you don't agree to what the big bad wolf says, don't agree to their terms when you buy or play the game next. Their terms stipulate this. You're 100% free to stop using the game you no longer agree to how they're running it.
warm anchor
until it is actually release you should probably not spreading false information @daring laurel
daring laurel
blah blah blah I didn’t want to get into an argument
I was more talking about how this is just like offlinemode debate, people are on bothsides
golden gust
Wait
What do you mean i have to follow the rules and regulations I agreed to?!
WTF?!
warm anchor
coarse venture
I was more talking about how this is just like offlinemode debate, people are on...
as per #welcome offline mode isn't discussed here, from what i understand.
merry talon
there is no debate though
daring laurel
you have not understood my message
daring laurel
as per <#739630246642319360> offline mode isn't discussed here, from what i unde...
^
daring laurel
there is no debate though
there absolutely is, seeing as how everyone wants to comment on oneside or another, if you dont see that search report in this channel and look st the number of messages
warm anchor
if your opinion is that people should only be allowed to say what the big and al...
you have fabricated for issue that has not happened yet. That's why you are being called out of. I think you are the one that do not understand the issue
daring laurel
why are you still arguing with me
warm anchor
I am not. I want you to stop spreading false inforamtion
coarse venture
why are you still arguing with me
I am about to make breakfast, grilled cheese sandwiches. What's on your agenda for Saturday?
warm anchor
It's irritating for people to not even attempt to read the FAQ and spreading false information and put it all on "omg big corp doing bad things"
daring laurel
I am about to make breakfast, grilled cheese sandwiches. What's on your agenda f...
probably sleep its 3am, just thought I’d see whats going on in general
coarse venture
i see.
golden gust
Literally all we've had the past god knows how long is people spreading unmitigated FUD
Unwilling to pull their finger out of their asses to even take it to the place where mojang say to take it
unwilling to read the stuff mojang and co have put out
It's tiring af
silver nexus
Not sure why there's a "debate" about it, it's happening whether you like it or not. If you're not an asshole, it won't affect you. If you are an asshole, stop being one.
golden gust
I mean, the OG presentation did seem a bit explicitly shitty
I do wish that they'd offer more nuance towards servers
daring laurel
what do you mean by offer more nuance?
warm anchor
the new modified FAQ has addressed a lot of the issues from the initial release
golden gust
Well, OG the "cussing" report reason was sus
That's been addressed, however
and, generally, I wish that there was server rating type stuff
coarse venture
The only argument I've seen about it in defense of removing it is 'but what if i have a cracked anarchy server where adults talk about drugs and are bigots', It honestly sounds to my ears like a karen who says you can't park there and goes 'do you even live here, because you can't park here, i walk here every day and i dont like your loud car to ruin that walk i have the right to have each day, this isn't your street, do you even live here'.
agile pine
is there any reliable way to monitor mysql performance and basically what plugin does what? i have a feeling a plugin is doing stupid stuff with mysql but i got no way to check
coarse venture
https://www.metricfire.com/blog/a-modern-guide-to-mysql-performance-monitoring/ has some interesting info
agile pine
thanks, i'll do some research
coarse venture
sematext has a recent blog post where they say their tools are great, and they mention a few others. xD https://sematext.com/blog/mysql-monitoring-tools/ and yeah mysql workbench
anyway, laundry is done, gonna need to put that in the dryer, and my grilled cheese sandwiches are ready to get made. have a nice saturday, back later.
ashen cliff
None of the free monitoring tools are actually useful. Most just try go get you to add more ram and cache or increase disk IO.
coarse venture
No, there's no /timings-mysql that says "it is caused by this plugin"
golden gust
that's what JMX is for
workbench has been pretty decent in the past, but, I guess I am maybe more willing to do research and figure shit out than most
though, ofc, workbench is only really great as an overall view
you can go even deeper with tools specifically designed to profile mysql through magical connectors, etc
(ignoring the traditional spamming of show processlist;
ashen cliff
Timings reported via JMX when?
coarse venture
enable-jmx-monitoring=true
````server.properties`kinda cool that we have this in 1.19.
Anyway, MySQL server runs separately.
golden gust
I have been meaning to do a timings cleanup at some point
Theres a few things which probably maybe should be verbose, but, idk
Maybe we need to make verbose more catagorised
mental meadow
cat do you have like a word doc with things you have planned
and if yes, does it have more than 500 pages
golden gust
No
coarse venture
He just remembers it.
coarse venture
every time a paper dev says something like that, i should just open a ticket with todo <name> <topic> and not care that they get closed.
UE5 real time water physics is kinda mental.
mental meadow
@lavish compass timings redesign next??
lavish compass
<@290921387655430144> timings redesign next??
golden gust
In part we need to look into taking over timings first
mental meadow
the takeover
coarse venture
just retire waterfall, tbh.
golden gust
It's already basically EOL
Issue is generally just, I have shit still using it
bleh
mental meadow
I'm still waiting on a good tab list plugin on velocity
golden gust
Five was working on the API for that
mental meadow
soon™️
golden gust
Joy is ofc is that such an API is generally arse and we don't wanna fall into the same issues as bungee
Well, it's targeted for a specific version
ashen cliff
kinda cool that we have _this_ in 1.19.
It was added back in 1.16...
And almost no one uses it.
warm anchor
Five was working on the API for that
Five got kidnapped by homework 
golden gust
One day, mon fren, one day
warm anchor
Life is literal suffering if it’s hot and humid
ashen cliff
Life is literal suffering.
golden gust
It's annoying though
Our windows aren't designed for window mounting an AC unit
So, best you can get is the ones with the hose
but then I live near a road which gets busy af at times
and then it's like, is it even worth it for the 2 weeks of suffering?
dusky stump
Life is literal suffering if it’s hot and humid
i used to like the heat and humidity when i lived in hong kong
now that i live in finland i melt from everything above 18 degrees
mental meadow
i've got one with a hose and tbh it's fine, I've made sort of a mount on the window out of 3 wood planks and a wooden rod
warm anchor
now that i live in finland i melt from everything above 18 degrees
My room is on 21 degree all year round. 
golden gust
I mean, for me it's the annoyance of having to have the window open for it
warm anchor
We have central air here. Which also helps with removing moisture from the air
coarse venture
it's been lovely, bit hot at night, when the heat doesn't leave the apartment, but it's honestly a nice june month
mental meadow
I'm soooo gonna activate secure profiles
fallen grotto
the servers are down
no my firewall settings are faulty
i managed to close port 80 and 443 too 👁️ 👄 👁️
fallen grotto
At least I haven't closed port 22
stuck lava
😵💫
fallen grotto
lmao
I just know bare minimum about firewall
except that i only have to allow what i need for security
stuck lava
well
make a list then ig, I assume u also want DNS resolution lol
and some other stuff
fallen grotto
what is dns resolution -
stuck lava
stuck lava
😄
fallen grotto
stuck lava
but also... FW is far from safe proof nowadays... ig it would sorta protect u by prevent bad software to set up bad stuff on random ports
mental meadow
why are you blocking outgoing traffic
fallen grotto
because it does it by default
on the server
heck it couldn't connect to some sites yesterday like the github api
fixed that tho
stuck lava
Security through obscurity (or security by obscurity) is the reliance in security engineering on design or implementation secrecy as the main method of providing security to a system or component.
coarse venture
I'm soooo gonna activate secure profiles
Where is this done, server.properties in 1.19.1 ?
mental meadow
You can activate it in 1.19 already in your server.properties
void void
enforce secure profile iirc ^
mental meadow
something like that yeaa
stuck lava
coarse venture
enforce-secure-profile=false
mental meadow
basically requires everyone joining your server to have a valid public key if you set it to true
fallen grotto
> Security through obscurity (or security by obscurity) is the reliance in secur...
you mean making it obscure to make stuff unsafe?
coarse venture
oh i see a changelog in my owner chan. it's set to false on purpose with reason ' waiting for 1.19.1', "it will come"
i think we also want to give the community a heads-up first.
are all those custom clients / hack clients etc all updated yet to support signed chat ?
mental meadow
most modern clients handle it now iirc
jovial plover
getting new pc soon
stuck lava
you mean making it obscure to make stuff unsafe?
I mean... if you're not sure what is going on... it's kinda bad
should look into it
jovial plover
8gb ram + 500gb hdd + 128gb ssd
mental meadow
if you use some obscure client that was last updated in 2017 probably not, but then again that's kinda your fault
coarse venture
fhoz: geyser port, votifier port, web port, control panel port, whatever you use. basically. but open smartly.
coarse venture
if you use some obscure client that was last updated in 2017 probably not, but t...
They dont need to join my server anyway hehe
jovial plover
open 0-999999999999
fallen grotto
yeah i have the panel port and such open and working
jovial plover
:)
fallen grotto
and the sftp port for servers
coarse venture
open 0-999999999999
64k max anyway
golden gust
Theres only 65k ports
fallen grotto
we need more ports
jovial plover
ok
coarse venture
and the sftp port for servers
isn't ssh already open, lol, dont block your custom ssh port.
jovial plover
new pc soom, might be able to code and play mc
fallen grotto
yeah ssh is open of course
mental meadow
just don't block outgoing traffic by default lol
jovial plover
8 gigabigs of ram
coarse venture
yeah ssh is open of course
sftp is using ssh credentials, same port.
coarse venture
last time i had 8gb or less was in 2017 when i bought it with the lowest possible, then month later on black friday i got 2x16 to add to the 2 remaining slots. and year later i got another 2x16 and took the 2x4 out.
dark storm
do i need to learn. docker if i want to initalize mini-servers automatically
somewhat like how hypixel does it
coarse venture
thankfully not much to learn. phew
fallen grotto
just don't block outgoing traffic by default lol
i don't think i do (except now but i know why)
coarse venture
that's a contradiction.
fallen grotto
i didn't yesterday
stuck lava
last time i had 8gb or less was in 2017 when i bought it with the lowest possibl...
16g ram is only good for gateways nowadays
jovial plover
ive got 4gb rn
stuck lava
😵💫
jovial plover
so 8gb will be a big upgrade
coarse venture
stuck lava
Win XP?
mental meadow
I'm not really doing anything atm and I'm already using 14GB
stuck lava
lol
coarse venture
new tech is always nice.
merry talon
hope your lan is locked down
jovial plover
hope your lan is locked down
yeah, ill kill vms internet and hosts
mental meadow
okay I forgot I have IntelliJ open nvm
stuck lava
jovial plover
okay I forgot I have IntelliJ open nvm
mvn
stuck lava
mental meadow
remove 3GB from my 14, still 11
coarse venture
win 10 not doing stuff = 16g
It's probably checking your windows activate on cycle 1, and windows update on cycle 2, and ms app updates on cycle 3, and..
merry talon
✨️unused memory is wasted memory✨️
stuck lava
what's wrong with Internet Exploder 11
stuck lava
eh
just use wget
u can get windoze binaries too
download source and u can imagine the rest looking at the code
void void
watchos browser >
coarse venture
lynx, on linux shell
no! :p
watchOS, haha. oh gosh
44 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
since im in the shell i might as well upgrade something, sheesh. im so behind.
limber trout
I wanna know about this chat report, what about servers such as 2b2t and others simular, its gonna effect that drastically
limber trout
And i would like some privacy on my personal smp while talking to my friends...
mental meadow
Twitter
stuck lava
limber trout
answers most questions
Alright thanks
jovial plover
would killing the hosts network kill vms too
mental meadow
Mojang people liked my tweet, does that mean it's officially endorsed by Mojang? (/jk)
jovial plover
because i dont want a virus spreading to the host via internets
twin lagoon
then don't add a network interface to your vm
and disable any virtualbox/vmware integration e.g. drag and drop files or network folder sharing
stuck lava
wait so it's mostly to address bad kiddo stuff?
jovial plover
and disable any virtualbox/vmware integration e.g. drag and drop files or networ...
yeah
jovial plover
then don't add a network interface to your vm
ill need to to download
limber trout
But i have one main issue
jovial plover
just a loop with taskkill /f /im chrome.exe
limber trout
Imagine your playing on a server, you say something and your mass reported by some idiots
Then it prevents you playing on your own private servers
mental meadow
we had this conversation about two hundred times in the last days
limber trout
we had this conversation about two hundred times in the last days
Ah 😂
twin lagoon
yeah that's not a joke either
limber trout
So how will mojang prevent this?
mental meadow
read the help article, its addressed there
stuck lava
some of those can be up for well.. interpretation
is gonna be interesting lol
is part of many servers as u can imagine
etc
rip creative servers
jovial plover
rip anarchy servers
limber trout
rip anarchy servers
Ikr
jovial plover
mojang killed that too
how
stuck lava
accept it
limber trout
mojang killed that too
How?
mental meadow
and here we go again
mental meadow
ah yes
mental meadow
p2w doesn't break the commercial use guidelines in general, there are specific rules.
stuck lava
yea but according to... idk whoever, YT ppl... they loved p2w factions
loved it
lol
limber trout
Lol
stuck lava
I see cosmicpvp is down to 1 universe
and still dying even tho they were pushing own client on top of everything
kinda speaks for itself
mental meadow
following the commercial use guideline is not hard
if you are making enough money to be affected you can hire a lawyer to help you with that
but it's really not that hard to understand tbh
Just a lot of owners of that kind of servers are really greedy
limber trout
I think this report thing is going to be good in some situations, for example them spammers that are on new accounts just for spamming racist of rude things
jovial plover
joe mamamamamammama
stuck lava
u think they're gonna handle reports fast enough?
limber trout
Will the report function be on older versions aswell as newer versions?
stuck lava
also most of bad attacks were hacked accounts
(at least on us)
that and 2, 3 youtubers
mental meadow
they will not ban for minor stuff, if they do it like most of us think they will they are probably going to throw a ton of reports out and only look at the really bad stuff
mental meadow
also most of bad attacks were hacked accounts
which is why you can now have 2FA with MSA^^
limber trout
u think they're gonna handle reports fast enough?
Not sure, i once waited 6 months to get logged into my account and they eventually said "there was a problem with your account" lol, in that 6 months i brought another account
stuck lava
lol
timber sentinel
that twitter thread is very useful, will probably just link to that next time someone decides to use that fitmc video as their only source of information
mental meadow
limber trout
that twitter thread is very useful, will probably just link to that next time so...
Lol ye
So what do u guys think about the new deep dark?
jovial plover
goppers
limber trout
Im really enjoying it.... The wardens very op but i like that there is finally a challenge in the game
stuck lava
So what do u guys think about the new deep dark?
I think thinking is so important, my Lord.
limber trout
Im really enjoying it.... The wardens very op but i like that there is finally a...
100% gonna end some hardcore worlds
stuck lava
Alright im gonna head out for some lunch
mental meadow
Windows Defender is honestly all you need today
mental meadow
then you are doing a lot of stupid things online
jovial plover
it legit let a common af ransomware thru
jovial plover
kaspershy + bitdefender + adblock
stuck lava
common sense is highly undervalued tho
jovial plover
"you have 3 days to pay is $6m"
"pay by tomorrow night or we will brick your system"
primal solar
Doesnt windows have a test environment of sorts
stuck lava
"pay by tomorrow night or we will brick your system"
they will leak u dirty pics
jovial plover
"your shit is encrypted"
mental meadow
kaspershy + bitdefender + adblock
with 8GB ram? have fun lol
stuck lava
which CPU?
jovial plover
of new or current
jovial plover
not bindows 11
stuck lava
jovial plover
i5-3570
jovial plover
HP 8300 Elite Tower
stuck lava
yea I'm familiar with those 🙂
jovial plover
cex op
stuck lava
6th gen was garbage and we're starting to see 8th+ gen being pushed out
jovial plover
im not doing that
stuck lava
and iirc win 11 limit was set to 8th+ gen? coffee lake? not sure if they left that in tho
coarse venture
back from lunch
jovial plover
hp's forums say u cant update it
stuck lava
do we know if 11 supports the i5
jovial plover
o.o
green edge
Did anybody do some analysis on what kinds of advertising works right now for the NA / West EU market?
Having troubles marketing my server to players, youtubers are significantly harder to reach than a few years ago
Market feels oversaturated
coarse venture
tiktok is cheap and yields quite a userbase each time. player retention is higher than with mcslorg
jovial plover
daaaaaaaang
coarse venture
iNfLuEnSeR
jovial plover
new pc cpu wot support 11 either
green edge
generaly from what I've seen TikTok servers are generally owned by the tiktokkers themselves
coarse venture
oof deveroonie
green edge
Also pain in the ass to hire people to do it, mc-market is full of scammers, and that's how pretty much 90% of the minecraft market is
green edge
I mean is it really that good?
It's made to keep you watching
stuck lava
Also pain in the ass to hire people to do it, mc-market is full of scammers, and...
that I can confirm
coarse venture
You can make your own videos, you can ask others to make them for you, you can automate the process on alt accounts, and you can pay for advertisements. Do them all, and it's still cheaper than a high ranked server listing.
green edge
TikTok promotes videos that keep you on the platform the most
That's what Facebook, Youtube, and each platform does
thing with TikTok is, all of them are baity
You want to see what happens at the end of the video
stuck lava
hm
coarse venture
your videos dont have to be like the ones you dislike
jovial plover
new pc
✅ ram
✅ storage
❌ TPM
❌ CPU
current pc
✅ RAM
✅ storage (barley)
✅ TPM
❌ CPU
foe win 11
green edge
I thought about something, getting Reddit things, and making a bot auto-post on youtube shorts, tiktok, etc
with the fake voice
stuck lava
so if u have bad content or ppl who produce bad content... it doesn't really matter? lol
green edge
while doing parkours on my server
stuck lava
kinda like YT shorts then
green edge
so if u have bad content or ppl who produce bad content... it doesn't really mat...
Depends on what you consider bad content
Algorithm considers anything that keeps you on the platform as "good content"
including fake "only 1% will notice the hidden thing"
and in fact there's nothing
stuck lava
Depends on what you consider bad content
content that is not baity
green edge
Then you won't touch a single player from the ad
TikTok promotes that
Unfortunately in today's world honesty doesn't warrant success
stuck lava
Unfortunately in today's world honesty doesn't warrant success
Idealists die first, Boss.
stuck lava
it doesn't
stuck lava
I worked with those for... years
jovial plover
f u c k
golden gust
you can get wifi cards cheap af
stuck lava
jovial plover
i dont give a shit about compaq
stuck lava
but keep in mind not all pci/pcie cards are supported by HP
u might wanna research it a bit
or get USB Wifi card whatever that is
worn ember
support it
stuck lava
idk how strict they're with desktops tho, think I've never actually installed wificard in one
golden gust
afaik that only applies to the laptops
worn ember
they probably run custom firmware on their laptops
same how dell runs a custom windows on their laptops
jovial plover
found another thing
is this a good cpu for gaming and light development
AMD E2-1800
golden gust
it's a netbook CPU
stuck lava
translation: hell, no
jovial plover
it's the only thing i can find that has enough ram and ssd
golden gust
what's your budget?
golden gust
Okay, so, basically, at that price point there is a heavy level of "good luck"
what hardware do you have currently?
jovial plover
and im kinda limited to 7 cex results
jovial plover
because my cex shop is tiny
golden gust
You'd probs be better looking at ebay for that budget
for gaming you're kinda SOL but there are often decentish thinkpads, etc, within that range
errant bridge
finally
I mean I expect all the anarchy servers to just filter out signatures if they want to live
green edge
Well, got an idea for tiktok. I make a bot to pull the best read stories from reddit, use a bayes classifier to check how probable the video is to get trendy, if it's over a specific amount, generate a video with robot voice, use GPT-3 for trendy headlines, and post a video each 4 hours
stuck lava
forcing mojang further to do something about it?
errant bridge
forcing mojang further to do something about it?
unless Mojang specifically goes out of their way to destory all anarchy servers (i.e. make it a TOS violation to filter out signatures and ban all those servers) I find it extremely unlikely that they'll ever leave signatures in
stuck lava
unless Mojang specifically goes out of their way to destory all anarchy servers ...
depends on how community reacts to it? how many ppl will be crying over it... etc
jovial plover
it's £100
errant bridge
even if they make it impossible for vanilla clients to read unsigned messages they'll just ask people to mod their game, after all pretty much everyone there is already using a hacked client
stuck lava
Dell XPS 8300/i7-2600/8GB Ram/500GB HDD/Windows 10/C
ssd? gpu? forget win11
errant bridge
depends on how community reacts to it? how many ppl will be crying over it... et...
oh they're crying hard over it in the anarchy community lmfao
golden gust
I mean, for your budget that seems fairly nice considering
stuck lava
golden gust
For that budget I don't think that they're gonna be getting anything which officially supports W11
stuck lava
Well, got an idea for tiktok. I make a bot to pull the best read stories from re...
gonna be a lot of work and resource for a test
green edge
Well, with the statistics behind me
low probability of it not working
at least partially (meaning 10k views / video)
stuck lava
GPT-3 ... afaik gonna be pricy unless u go for budget version which also means poor results
green edge
Nah, it's very cheap
stuck lava
really?
green edge
I do one video each 4 hours
Their best model, da-vinci
is a few cents a message
I only do one for each video
so it's going to cost me a dollar a month tops
stuck lava
well ig it depends on how many content u wanna push
true
I'm kinda from SEO world...
green edge
yes
stuck lava
also I saw more and more ppl spamming tiktok recently
and YT shorts
I'm guessing at some point someone will have to do something about it
jovial plover
this isnt good
stuck lava
or else we're gonna see same spamfest as with FB 10 years ago
jovial plover
C - Working - Product in poor condition and fully working with all essential accessories. No box required.
golden gust
Do yourself a favour and avoid CEX
jovial plover
why
golden gust
Because their markup is like 50%
jovial plover
is this any good
Custom/AMD FX-8370/8GB Ram/1TB HDD/GTX 1060 3GB/DVD-RW/Windows 10/B
B - Good - Product in good condition with all essential accessories. No box required.
is that cpu any good
golden gust
The FX like is old but it was a pretty darn good set of chip back then
idk how well it holds up though
golden gust
I mean, the sad reality is is that as much as those sites suck, it's the best snakeoil there is
golden gust
Yea, I mean, as I said, your budget is kinda screwed
you'd more be best off looking at sites like ebay which avoid the CEX markup
stuck lava
idk if u can find one with dedicated GPU for that budget tho
jovial plover
is the i3 any good
stuck lava
no
jovial plover
i probably wouldnt get it anyways -- same amount of ram as i have currently
south raptor
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-2600K-vs-AMD-FX-8370/621vs29...
userbenchmark is innacurate
stuck lava
ik a lot of ppl were buying cheap z210, z220 and z230 pairing them with cheap mining GPU and selling that as gaming PCs
golden gust
I mean, CEX is just shit
stuck lava
no
golden gust
- CEX is a rip off to sellers, literally only worth selling anything if you're really desperate/don't/can't use ebay, etc
jovial plover
ok
golden gust
- CEX is a rip off to buyers as pretty much everything is 2-4x what they paid for it
jovial plover
i fall into "dont/cant use ebay"
still tiger
Heyo, so when a player disconnects to another instance of the server I.E goes to hub,
the bossbar stays persistent on the players screen.
Any ideas how I can remove it?
golden gust
Literally anybody with sense is gonna list their shit on a local place or somewhere like ebay
jovial plover
but yeah, i broght a game for £6
golden gust
The proxy needs to remove it, basically
errant bridge
btw another thing about the chat report system, how is context handled ? Every message might be signed and I guess the client could just send the last 1000 messages or so along with the reported message, but couldn't a determined troll selectively remove certain messages ? I don't really see how that stuff could be verified...
errant bridge
don't need all chat, don't need context, ...
I mean for example if I was to tell someone to "jump off the cliff" that could equally be suicide encouragement or just an explanation how to use an elytra and it wouldn't exactly be easy to determine without context
golden gust
We're not mojang
stuck lava
well we're just brainstorming
golden gust
Theres only so much info out there on what their plan is but to my understanding they're only going to act on the egregious stuff
errant bridge
I mean I'm not demanding an explanation I'm just wondering how the system can work effectively if there's essentially no way to have verifiable context... 
wind badger
does anyone know if this report system will still count if the server is in offline mode?
golden gust
Which is what their team will have to figure out
chances are they just won't be able to do much with such cases
fallen grotto
Dangit i still cant join my server but the port is open
wind badger
so why bother implementing it 🤷♂️
errant bridge
so why bother implementing it 🤷♂️
to catch the egregious cases
golden gust
Because mojang wants to protect their brand and be active against the potential onslaught of legislation with this stuff
stuck lava
so why bother implementing it 🤷♂️
trying to address MC issues that one would thing can only be found on dark web
but actually there's in there in between ingame chat
drifting path
@thorny jolt
thorny jolt
@drifting path I don't need so many threads. It was just a thing mentioned in the FAQ.
stuck lava
🙂
drifting path
you should never be getting that error