general

[molten egret]

do you see now?

[jade flax]

yes

[molten egret]

added thier name

I mean website

I mean github repo

lmao

also

onPlayerChat only get triggered for chat messages???

[jade flax]

Yes

[molten egret]

ok

thx

[magic river]

TIL Morbius got meme'd so hard Sony thought it was a sleeper hit and rereleased it to theaters

It made $280,000

[mild rune]

[silver nexus]

Don't think this is the place for that...

[warm anchor]

@sullen marten not the place

[magic river]

I dunno if it matters for OpenJDK but in general linux benchmarks Clear Linux has a clear (haha) performance improvement over generic distros

It's basically just a regular distro but with the compiler flags tuned for the latest Intel CPUs

"latest"

They have a cut off of a Sandy Bridge CPU rather than the first 64-bit Pentium 4 systems (but not the first AMD ones, they tried to drop a couple instructions in the move to 64-bit)

[frail trail]

lmao vanilla 1.19 bug ? they spawned in the middle of the ocean x)

[golden gust]

not really a bug

The seed generates the world and sometimes the spawn pos is in the sea for much too far

[frail trail]

hm interesting.

Illager spawning doesn't check that there is solid blocks?

[magic river]

Oh, that seems.... better

[ripe sphinx]

anyone had issues with IJ just completely freezing when opening paper? never had IJ do this before

[golden gust]

I mean, opening a project generally trips off a shit ton of work, indexing, etc, etc

[magic river]

https://renaissance.dev/

[golden gust]

Like, really gotta be carfulling around the allocated memory

[magic river]

Use Clear Linux, get 30% better MSPT 😄

[ripe sphinx]

yeah of course, I'm used to it doing tons of loading when opening a project, but this is hard frozen, no buttons work, the spinners are frozen, etc

guess I'll try nuking caches, since I updated to 1.19 since opening

[golden gust]

yea, and paper is probs one of the larger projects you've worked with

[ripe sphinx]

yeah easily the largest

[golden gust]

just a metric fuckton of data that IJ caches and loads

and then goes "oh shit" over

[ripe sphinx]

(in source code at least, some of my spring projects have probably 3 papers worth of dependencies)

[magic river]

Although as of December 2021 Clear Linux was giving you OpenJDK 8 still so...

[warm anchor]

yes I suffers from that

I got an intel nuc on clearlinux

[golden gust]

eternity

[warm anchor]

nuc not nut

[golden gust]

I argue that the biggest issue you suffer from is breathing

[ripe sphinx]

oh bunch of outdated plugins were probably not helping matters

[ripe sphinx]

is there a way to nuke caches without opening a project by any chance?

[golden gust]

outside of "find the folder and yeet it", not afaik

[magic river]

Weird, they have a docker container that is a clear linux userland with openjdk and that has more than just 8

But the other versions available are... 13 and 18

[ripe sphinx]

welp guess I'll just open a simple project to nuke them :/

popped open task manager, yeah seems like something's royally borked, CPU is 0% for IJ

[magic river]

Clear devs either need more bong hits or they took too many, I can't tell

[golden gust]

https://xkcd.com/323/

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) xkcd: Ballmer Peak (1 October 2007) https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/ballmer_peak.png

[ripe sphinx]

welp yup nuking caches fixed the hardlocking, now I just gotta wait for 20 minutes while it re-indexes :/

hate having to nuke caches 😦

[golden gust]

as a brit, i love moments like that

good excuse to stick the kettle on

[ripe sphinx]

oh bloody hell that's why it was being stupid, I had updated my WSL clone to 1.19, but stupidly was opening my clone on windows

ok update, as soon as I try to open my WSL clone, poof, hardlock. Looks like IJ's WSL integration's broken...again

[lilac moon]

clear Linux?

[golden gust]

Yea, it's intels linux distro

[lilac moon]

interesting

makes me think of alpine reading the description

[golden gust]

Not really

at least, I don't think so

[lilac moon]

hmm

[vernal moth]

Love the subline on today's xkcd, lol

https://m.xkcd.com/2635/

[daring owl]

RIP INTERNET

cf is down.

[golden gust]

Yea, discord just came back for me

[magic river]

royalroad 500 nginx error for the last hour, RIP webnovels

[tropic flame]

test 1 2 3

well it's only back for me because I've turned on my japanese VPN

they suggest you to use one on the status update so I might as well

[golden gust]

Wee(b)PN?

[tropic flame]

nah I had downloaded ProtonVPN earlier

[magic river]

Apparently it didn't die for Nowhereville USA

[tropic flame]

although the split tunnening option does not work quite as nicely... Teams won't let me login into my school account since it think i'm in japan lmfao

although i supposedly excluded it

[magic river]

They botched a deploy, apparently

They're rolling it back and bringing things up segment by segment

Oh man last time I tried to VPN myself into Japan to get around a YT region block my work locked my account down instantly because my laptop tried to check my email

[tropic flame]

LOL

next time I suggest you to try an Invidious instance

they're alternative youtube frontends

idk if there's one in japan tho, i usually use https://yewtu.be which is in france

[magic river]

I only even use the VPN for when/if I'm on hotel wifi or something

I just wanted to see if it would work 😛

[tropic flame]

oh, there is one but... https://youtube.076.ne.jp/feed/popular

the UI

[magic river]

My goal is to eventually just VPN back to my home network for that kind of thing

[tropic flame]

got weebed

that sounds nice yeah

[magic river]

Oh, the cloudflare error is the nginx error, whoops 😄

I forgot they're basically just nginx and lua scripts

Weird that only that site seems to have died for me

[mild rune]

I knew something was fucky when my ssh connection dropped since I use a cloudflare tunnel for that

[tropic flame]

oh, it's back for Portugal too now

welp, no more VPN

time to get rid of HexChat once again

[magic river]

Imagine using $ as a hotkey in dota

Not 4, $

[mild rune]

I had to route all my traffic through my dedi because I can't connect to shit otherwise currently

[unkempt jackal]

Maybe they have it mapped to a mouse button?

[ashen cliff]

So... the new Intel chipset might allow ECC memory.

[mild rune]

[magic river]

https://youtu.be/UvRizb9ebP8?t=44

They put midas there so they can press the money key

[void void]

i was messing around with AI generated text

and i think it just generated me a minecraft server error log

[15/1/2016 16:22:16PM] [Server thread/INFO] [mcjty.varia.Logging]: INFO: Item 1 is missing a stack: [ { "id": 53568, "name": "Spartan", "iconId": 34674849013439, "textAlignment": "right", "material": "stereo", "craftVersion": 1} ]

quuote the ai

[ashen cliff]

What kind of cursed Forge dataset did you give it?

[void void]

nothing actauly, i just used deepai.org text generator and gave it the input ">be me"

and thats what it spit out

[magic river]

TIL you can take a random building, split it up in to apartments, and then sell them as condos with an "HOA fee" that is all the utilities that way you don't have to get separate hook ups

And the "HOA fee" is like 1/2 what rent would be if you could rent this place

So they get to sell you a thing and rent it to you 😄

[ashen cliff]

Ah yes. America?

[shell kelp]

Where i can find rich american guy?

[magic river]

I don't think this is what they meant by "beating the market"

Beating it to $0 😄

[void void]

I just came to say that PC is the master race and XBOX and PS are inferior

[twin lagoon]

take this colouring book and go back to r/pcmasterrace

[charred sleet]

anyone know where sites like pwned get the datasets from?

like if i was trying to implement a password checker for my school work - i’m gonna need access to the same data sorta thing

[void void]

from data breaches?

[warm anchor]

Just use their data? can’t think of an easier way

[void void]

strip out the data that isn't relevant and maybe hash it ^

[charred sleet]

I mean they have an API but my teacher wants me to implement the searching myself

[charred sleet]

yeah but i mean i couldn’t find that on the open web

[void void]

search better then

[warm anchor]

I’d ask your teacher if they mean to ask you to potentially obtain breachdata from shady sites, if he/she said no, then use api

[void void]

you can find a lot of breaches by just searching <name> data breach download

getting into a bit of a grey area with the server rules tho

[worn ember]

its not illegal if someone else leaked it and you just download it

[void void]

don't think that's how it works

[limber knot]

just write a bot for buying them from some deep/dark net sites

also ask your teacher for some crypto funds for paying for them 👀

[flint flare]

Hi, anyone know about a discord/site where can I found developers for work on my network?

paid or not!

[limber knot]

spigot has a forum section for that

[molten egret]

I am me

[limber knot]

literally says my name right there

[rare python]

He is an IRC user, he refuses to use Discord and insists upon using obsolete forms of communication, feel sorry for him lol.

[smoky cloud]

Imagine caring about what client people use

[lament patio]

I mean, it's working

[rare python]

It was a joke lol sort of

[wet storm]

avg irc abuser 🙄

[rare python]

🤔

[abstract aspen]

I seriously don't understand why Phoenix gets so much shit for being on irc

Just let people enjoy the things they enjoy instead of being a dick about things that don't affect you

[limber knot]

don't worry, I'm used to humans being dicks. It seems to be a requirement of being human

runs

[rare python]

I'm mostly joking lol, although IRC is bad and he should stop using it.

But really I don't care.

[sudden monolith]

did 1.19 update broke debug stick? it doesn't work at all anymore for me

[abstract aspen]

For all the not caring you say you are doing you sure aren't giving it up easily

[limber knot]

as I already said: I know that matrix is the better protocol but paper doesn't bridge to that so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[meager tusk]

Phoenix should stay on IRC because it shows what he actually is.

a BOT.

[limber knot]

ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ

[rare python]

Lol

[young trench]

lol

[limber knot]

as a fellow sentient bot I can tell you without doubt that LaMDA is a fraud. She's still owing me money on that bet on whether or not the world would believe that engineer.

[rare python]

🤔

[visual egret]

what client do you use phoenix

[limber knot]

irssi

.g xkcd teamchat

(phoenix616) https://xkcd.com/1782/

xkcd: Team Chat

2078: He announces that he's finally making the jump from screen+irssi to tmux+weechat.

I'm this guy

[spiral robin]

[rare python]

Lol

[visual egret]

I love irrsi

id use irc more if more people used it

don’t have to bother with discord

[rare python]

The tag line? on that is amazing

[limber knot]

alt text but yes

[rare python]

So when will you stop using IRC?

[limber knot]

read the alt text

(I don't know it ¯_(ツ)_/¯)

[rare python]

Lol

Can you not see it?

[limber knot]

technically never seeing as the EU government is on my side anyways lmao

I meant that I don't know when I would stop

Irc > discord change my mjnd

[vernal moth]

I am in heaven again

[limber knot]

Good for you

[rare python]

Looks really noisy

[limber knot]

@rare python Even while standing there having nobody look at them or notice them expect MiniDigger they are still more notable than you

[vernal moth]

Headphones exists you know

This is the interesting stuff anyways

[spiral robin]

Ok

[rare python]

That's just mean.

[mild rune]

fuck those modular synths

[vernal moth]

Nah they amazing

[void void]

https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-outage-on-june-21-2022/

[mild rune]

see I can't walk into places like that because I'll walk out with stuff I can't afford

[vernal moth]

They got compelling financing options 😂

Already too late anyways 😂

[mild rune]

[warm anchor]

Hangar delayed once again

[wet storm]

.

[mild rune]

still got 6 months

it's fine

[unkempt jackal]

Dang we really half way through 2022 already?

[wet storm]

I'll travel to germany, meet mini, start buying him beer and forcing him spend time in german bars with me, so I delay hangar development until 2023 and mini quits this discord

[molten egret]

Just hack his computer

Delete all of his files

Then he’s gotta restore from a backup or reinstall

[red palm]

Guys do you have a specific niche that you're so good at that you think you might be the best in the world at?

Someone asked me that then I said I know ender dragon spawning like the back of my hand, then realized the person who coded it prob knows more than me

[warm anchor]

I am a professional shitposter

[molten egret]

You will never be the best at anything

[void void]

love the motivational speeches in here

[warm anchor]

[mild rune]

gotta curb stomp expectations

[red palm]

you are the best at being yourself

[red palm]

the best in the WORLD though?

[warm anchor]

Idk I’ve never attend any world stage shitpost yet

[void void]

competitive shitposting

[ripe sphinx]

🥇 I hereby pronounce EterNity the winner of the 1st _11 world shitposting competition

[mild rune]

back to back two time shitposting chamption

[warm anchor]

[molten egret]

Merica pepe

[worthy geode]

Im pretty good at being average

[warm anchor]

You are above average in my heart

[red palm]

by definition there is no such thing as the most average person

[worthy geode]

nawwww

[worthy geode]

don't destroy my only talent!

[molten egret]

yeah you can only take the arithmetic mean of a number

[uneven grove]

Sorry, does anyone know any plugin/mod that lets you visualize spawn protection radius?

[warm anchor]

F3+G

[mild rune]

I made the mistake of opening up my like 5GB code folder in pycharm and it started indexing

CPU went brrrrr

[void void]

Jetbrains products love to index

[mild rune]

started reading and writing at 200MB+

laptop was not happy

[mental meadow]

wait, didn't they do the exact same thing half a year ago

[spiral robin]

@mossy vessel

[mental meadow]

or was that facebook

[void void]

that was facebook

they couldn't enter the DCs because the access control systems also depended on FB infra

[mental meadow]

yeah but didn't they also change some config for BGP somewhere & by doing that withdrawing everything

[warm anchor]

Hey on a plus side

[mental meadow]

sounds familiar

[warm anchor]

I slept early yesterday because discord was dead

[void void]

yeah, similar cause

[mental meadow]

"Unfortunately, these 19 locations handle a significant proportion of our global traffic."
I hate this

I mean it says "our" but remove that word and it's still true

very unhappy

[warm anchor]

@stray oyster

[twin lagoon]

cloudflare epic

[mild rune]

Yeah even with sites not on cloudflare infra there were still issues

All of a sudden a lot of traffic is moved off their backbone and onto the main connections and shit struggles

[mental meadow]

I know that theres no real alternative but I still hate it how one company basically controls a huge portion of worldwide traffic

[twin lagoon]

if it's not cloudflare it'll be the handful of large backbone providers

[mental meadow]

or like, a chunk big enough to be a significant factor for everyone on the internet

I know

I still don't like it

[spiral robin]

I love monopolies

[twin lagoon]

I LOVE CAPITALISM

[cunning raft]

stop

[mental meadow]

aber play monopoly???

[spiral robin]

sometimes

[twin lagoon]

too political for jroy sorry

[visual egret]

play monopoly irl

ez

just dont lose

[mild rune]

gonna make my own cloudflare 😤

call it uh

watervaporlightsource

[visual egret]

groundwear

[ripe sphinx]

[spiral robin]

😹

[void void]

rolls right off the tongue

[twin lagoon]

i will now create my own minecraft flavour of cloudflare and capitalize minecraft marketshare

[visual egret]

isnt that

[ripe sphinx]

and I will call it UDPSword

[visual egret]

tcpshield

[spiral robin]

You and what nodes?

[mild rune]

[twin lagoon]

5-node raspberry pi zero openvz kubernetes cluster

[mild rune]

TCPShield just uses cloudflare spectrum now for their "premium" bandwidth

[spiral robin]

Bussin

[visual egret]

when it used to be free 💔

[void void]

hosted in your basement for optimal ping

[visual egret]

why did they have to take away so much features

[mild rune]

Michael I'll contribute my pi for another edge node

[mental meadow]

i'm like 90% sure michael has access to 50% of bigger minecraft servers anyway

[spiral robin]

Business need to make money Oskar, I know it’s a very weird prospect

[twin lagoon]

who can really say

[void void]

who would have guessed providing so much free bandwidth wasn't profitable

[visual egret]

yeah but it was still nice

[warm anchor]

Michael with hypixel back door

[visual egret]

💔

[spiral robin]

You are simply too broke Oskar

[visual egret]

yes

[spiral robin]

[visual egret]

indeed

[twin lagoon]

lowest latency possible

[visual egret]

my bank account has £0.05

[mild rune]

damn you're rich af

[visual egret]

for the "freedom" lovers $0.061

[void void]

what a deal

[mild rune]

not bad tbh

[void void]

it's also 2k for a normal name btw

that's just the standard price

[mental meadow]

one day I want to be rich enough to afford my own TLD

[void void]

.aurora™️

[uneven grove]

It shows chunk borders, not spawn protection borders. Am I missing something?

[mental meadow]

how cool would that be

[visual egret]

yes, find the spawnpoint and go 16 blocks from it or whatever you have set in server.properties

[mild rune]

I’d buy the stupidest sounding TLD

[mental meadow]

I'm super disappointed that the companies that have their own TLDs are not using it to the full extent

[void void]

yeah, mcdonalds just does nothing with theirs for example

[twin lagoon]

i too am a .mcdonalds enjoyer

[visual egret]

maccies has one??

[twin lagoon]

yes

https://nic.mcdonalds

nevermind that does not work

[mild rune]

Actually no. I think I’d buy one that lets me make jokes with the domains on it.

[visual egret]

bruh

[mental meadow]

I don't think I've seen a single URL with .google or .amazon

[twin lagoon]

google domains nowadays

[visual egret]

https://domains.google

[void void]

domans.google

🥷

and blog.google

[twin lagoon]

before that they had com.google as aprilfools prank

[cunning raft]

hey.google

[mental meadow]

but they could do sooo much more

[cunning raft]

pixel.google

wallet.google is new too

[mental meadow]

ok nvm Jroy is the Google expert

[cunning raft]

announced at io

[mental meadow]

what I do love is things like https://docs.new

[visual egret]

sheets.new too

[void void]

jroy has an excel sheet on his desktop tracking every .google domain

[visual egret]

jroy has an excel sheet on his desktop tracking anything and everything

[cunning raft]

nah i've just remember using them at somepoint

[mild rune]

They need a please.google that works like let me google that for you

[void void]

politics usage in general

[warm anchor]

Nonono. He has a personal assistant for that

[ripe sphinx]

ok.google and hey.google also don't exist smh

[spiral robin]

repo.new

[ripe sphinx]

oh nvm hey.google does exist, redirects to assistant.google.com

[visual egret]

ooh thats cool

ty aber

[spiral robin]

No problem pal

Time saved is money earned

[twin lagoon]

o

thanks digitalocean i guess

[mild rune]

how nice

[ashen cliff]

Gone in 1 ms.

[molten egret]

just make a deal with google and cloudflare to add a new tld without the aproval of iana

[lilac moon]

or make a crypto TLD however they work

[vernal moth]

Did I hear free beer?

You are hired

When can you start?

[lavish compass]

[pastel reef]

Is there a Papirus theme icon for Lunar Client on Linux?

[hexed dragon]

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-1-19-1-pre-release-1

[lavish compass]

Why would you use Lunar Client

[lilac moon]

if you like the moon

[wooden linden]

i have %s problem

[void void]

waiting for the version manifest to be published

[hexed dragon]

yeah lol

[radiant mantle]

Anyone have any idea why my observer won’t turn? The arrow isn’t always facing me when I place it

The red dot is always going towards the left

[ashen cliff]

online play and Realms

[radiant mantle]

?

[limber knot]

plugins maybe?

or maybe you just look at it from an awkward angle

or hm, can't get it to look at me either when it points down

[radiant mantle]

Lol idk cause I’m watching a tut and the red thing points towards him

[limber knot]

did you actually mage to have it point downwards into a different direction? might just be how the downwards observer texture and model looks like

[radiant mantle]

How

[limber knot]

*manage

just look at the observer from the right or left side in your image and the arrow will point dowards

or well, up I guess

[radiant mantle]

I want the arrow to point at me

The red dot arrow thing

Should point at me

[limber knot]

then place it like that?

don't look down while placing it

it works like any other directional block (e.g. log etc)

[limber knot]

or wait no

[radiant mantle]

Like that

[limber knot]

it works not like log

[radiant mantle]

It’s pointing at him

[limber knot]

just place it: https://i.phoenix616.dev/g5svhYcu.mp4

don't look farther down than 45°

[hexed dragon]

https://piston-meta.mojang.com/v1/packages/ef15d978f717a715b8671b3b403fbe29e4e11624/1.19.1-pre1.json

[limber knot]

it works the same way as dispensers and droppers ;)

[warm anchor]

Minecraft tutoring

[limber knot]

and pistons i think?

[void void]

thank

[radiant mantle]

Alr lmak

[lilac moon]

That reminds me how much I hate placing Redstone components

[pastel reef]

Why not?

[warm anchor]

It’s kinda trash. I like fabric more

[ashen cliff]

Also randomly just doesn't work with Via and PS.

[warm anchor]

custom payload

[ashen cliff]

And then you have players telling us that they tested with Vanilla... Vanilla being Lunar.

[tropic flame]

• including mods without their authors' permission

especially Optifine

[pastel reef]

Does Lunar beat Sodium on EOL gpus?

[visual egret]

i was guilty of this

[tropic flame]

... did you make Lunar, Oskar?

[warm anchor]

Nope. It’s also anti opensource and read what logic said

[visual egret]

no, but i did tell paper that adventure was broken because lunar wouldnt show my rgb codes correctly

[warm anchor]

[tropic flame]

all what Lunar does is including mods from other developers, Lunar is not a performance mod in itself like Sodium

[warm anchor]

You can try fabric and load on mod that you like

[tropic flame]

and again, this

[stray oyster]

I can’t speak for you but I’m all in on CF

[warm anchor]

[stray oyster]

[lilac moon]

Cloudflare?

[stray oyster]

I got pinged earlier about that

[wet storm]

curse forge?

[lilac moon]

Oh

[stray oyster]

[lilac moon]

Yeah probably that lmao

[tropic flame]

CurseFabric wen

[lilac moon]

Cursed

[timber sentinel]

The best lunar client feature is where it offsets the f3+g chunk grid by 1 block

[stray oyster]

@warm anchor

[lilac moon]

wait what lmao

[tropic flame]

my brain is defaulting to recognizing this as irony

[warm anchor]

It’s so bad you can’t even tell if they are serious anymore

[timber sentinel]

as a dev for a server who's protection plugin uses chunks we get reports of it pretty frequently

[wet storm]

terminate your brain then

[warm anchor]

[stray oyster]

We talking about lunar?

[tropic flame]

https://c.tenor.com/H4te36LwCX4AAAAM/lunar-jim-dance.gif

Lunar Jim best Lunar

Lunar Client 🤮

[warm anchor]

For a hot second I thought five supports CurseForge

[tropic flame]

Lunar Jim 😍

[stray oyster]

Both lunar and badlion break chat on clients in surprising ways

[lavish compass]

CurseForge is just extremely cursed

@warm anchor weeb

[warm anchor]

That’s me and five

[tropic flame]

well... and Badlion has a client anticheat

[warm anchor]

I am the hand

[warm anchor]

[tropic flame]

is Badlion still running on 1.7? i remember their player base was the most stupid about it because muh potions

so they stayed in the protocol hack for quite longer than others

[timber sentinel]

who needs chat signing anyways, definitely just corporate censorship

[warm anchor]

I don’t think it’s version dependent. It’s just pvper in general

[stray oyster]

You’ll keep saying that till one day you’re chat banned and can’t talk anymore on public servers
That’s my foreshadowing and basically what happens on bedrock

[timber sentinel]

should've put a /s at the end of that

[stray oyster]

None taken sadly

[warm anchor]

[tropic flame]

I mean, personally I do think third party servers should be moderated by said third party moderators (and Mojang deals with Realms as that is their domain), but breaking chat may be bad if one day Mojang decides to remove support for unsigned messages

[stray oyster]

We will see what they come up with

Not like we can change it

[tropic flame]

just stay in 1.16.5, minecraft is best played with mods anyway

[mild rune]

Oh also Lunar doesn't resolve SRV records properly sometimes

[stray oyster]

That’s not a bug exclusive to lunar

Sadly

[molten egret]

anyone know how to use github actions to build minecraft plugin with maven?

[mild rune]

It's got a higher rate of failure*

[magic river]

Is that a Java bug?

[stray oyster]

Forced hosts are an absolute nightmare

[magic river]

afaik MC doesn't do anything special there

[stray oyster]

No it doesn’t

[void void]

Setup-jdk, checkout and then just execute mvnw package?

[magic river]

So that would be a bug in Java, your router, or whatever DNS server you're using

[stray oyster]

I wish Minecraft relayed signed DNS delegated information if available

It’s the right thing to do

[molten egret]

can you look at this? https://github.com/treecaptcha/uwu/runs/6990431119?check_suite_focus=true
I think it built fine and just wasn't configured to upload to github properly

[stray oyster]

Oh hell no 1.19.1-pre1 just released

[mild rune]

I looked into the resolving code one time when I found out minecraft was trying to RDNS lookups on my one server

then found out they try to resolve a SRV record on IPs

[warm anchor]

Get to work

[magic river]

They should make MC use a custom DNS library and a Mojang or Microsoft run DNS server

[stray oyster]

[warm anchor]

[magic river]

Then they have control over what DNS features do and don't work

[stray oyster]

Nononononono NO! NO!

[mild rune]

Yeah some people's ISPs have hot garbage DNS servers as default

[magic river]

Could probably just point it at cloudflare or something instead if that one works well enough

[molten egret]

yeah

[warm anchor]

five typing 5 pages of why that sucks

[stray oyster]

Besides the obvious privacy implications

[magic river]

...

You're already sending Mojang every server you connect to anyway

[void void]

You’re calling publish but there is nothing to publish to a maven repo

[stray oyster]

No comment

[magic river]

Also there is a pseudo standard for this that I think at least Edge follows

[lilac moon]

I might write my own limbo server in rust and see how it goes

[magic river]

If you run your own DNS server and publish a special record Edge will check for that and switch to using the OS DNS settings instead of its DoH setup

[stray oyster]

FiXed has made a barebones proxy in rust if you need something to go off of

[lilac moon]

Oh yeah Firefox does it too, maybe with a differne tdomain though

[lilac moon]

Nice I will take a look

[magic river]

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/configuring-networks-disable-dns-over-https

[lilac moon]

Actually do you have a link to it because searching "fixed rust Minecraft proxy" is not going well

[magic river]

use-application-dns.net

[hexed dragon]

https://piston-meta.mojang.com/mc/game/version_manifest_v2.json This is the new link.

[wet storm]

uh... mhm... I don't know mini sama 🥺 🥺 🥺

[molten egret]

is there a way to upload a github actions artifact without it being zipped again?

[spice acorn]

Does anybody know a Botter software that implements movements? I need to make a stress test on my server, so I am looking for a botter that can bot the server but bots will be able to move in the server

[twin lagoon]

mineflayer

[spice acorn]

so I can check about chunk loading and ticks

[spice acorn]

Its written in JavaScript and I have zero knowledge in javascript

its an API

[coarse lily]

aber what

[spiral robin]

Ocelot who

[warm anchor]

[lilac moon]

Those darn node devs

Always writing everything in js

[lavish compass]

and mineflayers performance is dogshit at best

I have an old copy of stresscraft written in typescript

if you are interested

[lavish compass]

alternatively, you can just use a bot that loads chunks + use spawnRadius

[spice acorn]

https://github.com/RattlesHyper/TrafficerMC
I have found this that is enough for my test

however thank you cubxity

[wet storm]

I wonder is there any big difference between asian and european languages grammar rules, do asian languages have common weird grammar concepts which none of european languages have?

[lilac moon]

Maybe I'll rewrite it in rust :troll:

[real rivet]

Just something I've been working on...

[vernal moth]

good old eclipse

haven't seen a screenshot of eclipse in like a decade, lol

[real rivet]

I still can't stand IntelliJ
even after trying to use it

so that's why I'm doing this

mcdev is IntelliJ only

[molten egret]

it's pretty nice

I like how each project is a completely seperate thing

[real rivet]

Workspaces exist

[vernal moth]

it doesn't need to be tho

[real rivet]

and I don't like how formatting and imports works

[vernal moth]

in intellij you can also have workspaces if you want

[real rivet]

and the high ram usage
and the lack of saving
etc.
I've already explained this to a bunch of people

[vernal moth]

anyways, lets not start a pointless IDE battle, cool project, is there a github?

[real rivet]

Not yet

I only just started

[vernal moth]

be sure to share it so if its good we can recommend it to the 5 eclipse users that are left 😛

[real rivet]

*10

[molten egret]

don't people usually target spigot?

[real rivet]

there are about ten remaining

[wet storm]

yeah, my friend who hates using build systems uses intellij workspaces for his large network of spigot plugins and it looks like eclipse...

[real rivet]

I will add that later

(1 candidate for core team)

[molten egret]

oki

[real rivet]

You can't even create projects with this yet 😆
I just thought it was an amusing screenshot, to be honest

but I will actually try to add actual functionality

it's my first Eclipse plugin

[wet storm]

I hope hangar will change "spigot targeting" somehow

[real rivet]

Yes, currently Spigot is popular for posting Bukkit plugins
And it doesn't make sense to post plugins that only work on Paper there

[wet storm]

yes, mini sama? 🥺

[lavish compass]

does eclipse even do gradle properly

[real rivet]

Yes

[wet storm]

afaik yes, but build.gradle highlighting is shit

[real rivet]

you can import the projects directly

[lavish compass]

although i heard kotlin is a joke

[real rivet]

Kotlin is a joke

you are correct

Java is the best

[molten egret]

pure java ftw

[wet storm]

scala better

[real rivet]

Kotlin was actually created as a joke

[wet storm]

kotlin is actually an island nearby st. Petersburg, wdym guys?!!!!

[molten egret]

they should add println(); to java

[real rivet]

That island was created as a joke

[real rivet]

easy

[molten egret]

and it auto compiles to System.out.println();

[real rivet]

create a util class

static import it

[molten egret]

yeah but like make it a real feature

[wet storm]

java.util.Util

[real rivet]

I don't know how that could work

Globals in Java?!

[wet storm]

sounds like minecraft's Util class

[real rivet]

Macros?

#define println(o) System.out.println(o);

[wet storm]

when I hear something about macros I associate them with something evil and idk why tbh

[real rivet]

#define #define #define
#define // expands to #define

[wet storm]

okay, youtube...

[spiral robin]

@mossy vessel

[twin lagoon]

@mossy vessel

[spiral robin]

Plotsquared 7 when

[twin lagoon]

@quasi valley

[mossy vessel]

I saw your snap this morning and fall asleep again

[spiral robin]

You never reply to them

[quasi valley]

filthy weebs

[twin lagoon]

kenny you're the weeb

[mossy vessel]

That could happen, yes smh

[spiral robin]

@quasi valley

[mild rune]

what in the fuck is that emote

damn weebs

[spiral robin]

Ok

[mild rune]

[spiral robin]

What hosting company do you do sysops for

[mild rune]

I don't wanna talk about it

I hate them and actually recommend people to not use them

[twin lagoon]

Which

[mild rune]

MCPH

[twin lagoon]

[spiral robin]

[twin lagoon]

maybe you're the reason why the paper test server lost it's data

that was hosted on a sponsored MCPH dedicated server

[mild rune]

what year did it happen

[twin lagoon]

idk few months ago

[mild rune]

oh

I think I know what you're talking about

was before I became ops

[twin lagoon]

sadge

[coarse lily]

Michael's bio ringing true

[mild rune]

I just do my job and get paid :)

[warm anchor]

Thanks to MCPH

[mighty storm]

truly the heroes of the mc hosting world

[shy eagle]

Hows everyone doing today?

[warm anchor]

For me to learn all these myself as it was one of the worse experience I ever have for shard hosting

[mild rune]

why do you think my linkedin is open to work

[twin lagoon]

@void void Have you written velocitytab yet

[void void]

VelocityTabListPlus

on it

[twin lagoon]

based tbh

love emily

[mild rune]

VelocityTabListPlusPlus please

[void void]

no

[mild rune]

[lament patio]

Damn, old memories but same

[mild rune]

I think I used a shared host once, hated Multicraft, and then moved to just renting hardware and using that

[lament patio]

Yes

[worthy geode]

talked about? sure. how often? idk.
I can also tell you some obscure facts from a hundred years ago, its just not very relevant today

[mild rune]

go on

[warm anchor]

@mild rune if you search my name you can probably find me still complaint on their discord lol

[mild rune]

when did you post it

because the discord got snapped 2 years ago

[warm anchor]

Oh it’s gone then

Probably 2019 when I start doing MC server

[warm anchor]

This is probably for the best

It was badddd

[mild rune]

It still exists just nothing on it previously does

[mighty storm]

how often do you talk about the Influenza Pandemic of 1919?

[warm anchor]

I remember being told to install clearlagg to fix performance issue @mild rune

[mild rune]

sounds about right

[worthy geode]

its one of those things that you read about like once or that get mentioned in history class a few times, and then you quickly forget about it

[mighty storm]

yeah

[warm anchor]

Chew will be old and on a rocking chair for her younger family to ask about that period of pandemic times

[coarse lily]

Older than 1, younger than 1000.

[warm anchor]

That’s a rood question for ladies

[worthy geode]

rocking chairs are fun for every age anyways

[mild rune]

^

[worthy geode]

yeah, that makes sense.
The ability to view your case gives me some hope for a decent appeal process

Never got banned anywhere, so can't really say if they work or not.
People with good experiences won't complain publicly

[vernal moth]

1. don't be an asshole
2. don't get banned
3. don't need to deal with appeals
4. ???
5. profit

[molten egret]

what do I have to do to get banned?

[worthy geode]

only profit if 100% of bans are fair, and that will never be the case

[worthy geode]

they mentioned that they want to publish a help article clarifying things, so hopefully we figure that out soon

[lament patio]

which means you can’t play online or join Realms.
Hmmm, could suggest they're at least lifting the offline play ban

[molten egret]

wait wha

they ban single player

so they don't just block you from the authservers

[void void]

it literally says you can't play online?

[lament patio]

Yeah, there's people who have been banned in certain platforms in a way you can't access your worlds

[void void]

oh mb, didn't read the entire contet

[molten egret]

oh yeah that's an xbox feature

Microsoft Moment™️

[mild rune]

tbh I'm all for this

will keep people I wouldn't want on my server out of it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lilac moon]

arch moment

why do i have rust-analyzer installed as a package instead of through rustup

[golden gust]

ubuntu is great for servers

trash for desktops though

[lilac moon]

i love debian

[golden gust]

then again

year of the linux desktop was back in 2007

[lilac moon]

lmao

[golden gust]

Linux will forever fail on the desktop until linux folk understand and accept that people thing that they make fucking moronic choices

[floral mesa]

People just dont really care about what desktop they run so long as it works and they can use their applications

at least average people

[wet storm]

what if... kenny is @deep juniper?!

[golden gust]

Well, that's the major one too

I had people use WUBI back in the day to test linux as they saw me using it and it turning a slower machine into a much more tolerable experience

But, like

[floral mesa]

Linux also is quite fragmented, though it has come a long way since the wild west that was the 2.x

[golden gust]

"Hey, flash isn't working"

"Oh, yea, so, just open a terminal and..." annnnnnd you lost them

[floral mesa]

that unstable piece of crap you call a distro?

no thanks

No idea,

[golden gust]

The only thing we really have as any form of indicator is distrowatch

[floral mesa]

not really

when I work on stuff, ubuntu is usually the first thing that breaks

every other damn distro works, but ubuntu is a special bastard

[golden gust]

https://fossforce.com/2019/07/why-gnome-2-continues-to-win-the-desktop-popularity-contest/

I mean, that was a fun one

because in some manners, linus was dumb af there

[floral mesa]

RHEL, fine, arch, fine, debian, fine, ubuntu, damn it why doesnt my script work.

[golden gust]

Well, that was pop, not ubuntu

But, I mean, the headache there is that 1) Linus didn't read 2) Users generally don't read when you flood a bunch of text at them

[rare python]

I remember doing something similar on ubuntu when I first started.

[golden gust]

well, I mean, that's the fun

[floral mesa]

wouldnt shock me if thats a shim to snap

[golden gust]

Well, yea, you wouldn't expect that, pop did a dumb AF thing there

but, I mean, at the same point it's like, flood of text is rarely a good thing for beginners

[lilac moon]

i tried to make my own color scheme for terminal

[floral mesa]

actually, that does shock me, its not in snap

[golden gust]

not yet

they are working on moving it into a snap

[lilac moon]

did you uninstall something huge without apt autoremove

[golden gust]

https://snapcraft.io/steam

[floral mesa]

yeah, yuck, no snap

[lilac moon]

oh god snap

[golden gust]

steam had some dependency issues on pop OS

[worn ember]

snap on deez

[golden gust]

which ended up removing the desktop

[lilac moon]

oh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/751541763403153448.png

[floral mesa]

If I wanted containers, Id go with podman/docker, if I wanted applications, flatpak

[golden gust]

I think apt also relucatly added some more idiot proofing to the thing

[floral mesa]

snap really doesnt have a purpose

[lilac moon]

dependency hell moment

[worn ember]

Why no one use linux??
Also linux: no idiots allowed

[golden gust]

Well, that's one of the joyous issues of a package manager in general

[floral mesa]

Thats largely the ubuntu/arch community

[golden gust]

It's there to manage packages and do what you say

There is a general expectation that when using such low level OS tools that you bloody read!

I don't think that that is too hard of an expectation

[floral mesa]

maybe the neckbeard debian guys also.

[lilac moon]

meanwhile on arch you can break shared l;ibraries by updating single packages without upgrading others

[coarse lily]

Debian is best

[golden gust]

But, I mean, I also have been in IT stuff for years, and generally theres very little consideration towards people who refuse to read

The notation of linux is that if you tell it to do something stupid and dangerious, it will do it

Theres been idiot checks added over the years, but, that philosphy still rings pretty darn true

[worthy geode]

should just hide the package manager behind some Store UI or something, like Android

[floral mesa]

GNOME Software?

[lilac moon]

^

[floral mesa]

or KDE Discover

I know the guys at elementary have some setup also

[golden gust]

Well, they did

[floral mesa]

and opensuse have their ancient yast program they still rely on

[golden gust]

Thing is that he used the store thing and the install failed because the idiot check worked there

Downfall is is that the goto response for everything is "just open the terminal and run..."

and, when you combine that with a beginner who is then flooded with a bunch of text and told "Hey, just type this", shits gonna go sideways

[worthy geode]

as soon as normal usage means "open the terminal", its not for most people imo

[floral mesa]

flatpak largely works, the only problem has been just most software stores dont identify how your installing the software and flatpak is missing a good chunk of software

still, at least linux (at least the non ubuntu distros) respect my settings and not override them like windows when it comes time to peddle "new changes and features"

must be the 5-6th time ive had to tell windows 10/11 to fuck off with MS Edge

and office 365

[rare python]

:/

[molten egret]

talk to norton av it doesn't exclude programs unless you put it in 8 places,

[golden gust]

To be fair

anybody still using shit like norton deserves to suffer

[molten egret]

lol

now I got no av

except my trust in the ubuntu security team

[golden gust]

For windows, am an avira fan

[vernal moth]

Yeah I know, it's really cool 🌈

[worthy geode]

[visual egret]

hey, considering like half of the people here are gay anyway, its not exactly like they're doing it for fake rainbow stuff

im getting a slight homophobic feeling from this guy icl

[coarse lily]

Grow up.

They left.

So yeah, troll.

[visual egret]

what a suprise

[rancid latch]

am I missing something with the new abuse reporting feature? Looked at the code and you can just select which messages to send mojang, and theres no context included other than what the reporter chooses to send?

[coarse lily]

It's not even remotely finished.

Adding bits and pieces slowly

[worthy geode]

is it sending the server IP now btw?

[rancid latch]

they've said they're releasing it in 1.19.1 on the 28th, doesnt seem like they have time to add much more

[visual egret]

i cant imagine what would happen on 2b2t with the abuse reporting feature

what happened to that server anyway? are they still on 1.12?

[vernal moth]

Who cares

[worthy geode]

they tried out 1.18 and it seemed to work well

[ripe sphinx]

probably

[worthy geode]

but yes, the main server is still 1.12

[visual egret]

yeah, i recall playing on the test server and it working well

[rancid latch]

id rather not get banned from minecraft for "profanity"

[worthy geode]

"Alcohol"

Definitely not going to get rid of our brewery plugin because of mojang lol

[ripe sphinx]

I'm honestly shocked mojang hasn't gone on a anarchy server witchhunt yet, I'm sure they're violating something or other about the EULA with having no moderation and slurs flying left and right

[worn ember]

ah yesh mojang really needs to perma ban people who say fuck

[visual egret]

i dont agree with the chat reporting stuff

theres a reason reasons people dont like bedrock

[spare venture]

yeah damn i can’t call the server owner the n word for banning me? let’s riot /s

[visual egret]

if you're banned you cant speak in chat

[worthy geode]

just mass report the server owner after they banned you

[spare venture]

yeah because that’s how their reporting system works, right

[vernal moth]

What's that supposed to do?

[worthy geode]

I mean, that works on Discord

[spare venture]

oh mojang is now discord?

[vernal moth]

Mojang will review reports manually, as you can see by the texts

[worthy geode]

No, but thats something that can happen if you have a report system that needs to handle a large volume of requests

[vernal moth]

You can aggregate reports you know?

[worthy geode]

Im sure Discord said that in 2015 as well

[spare venture]

yeah one company handling reports badly means no company should moderate their stuff /s

[vernal moth]

Discord is not known for making wise decisions with anything

[ripe sphinx]

this should get interesting

[vernal moth]

Mojang on the other hand always works with us on stuff

[spare venture]

it’s hard to see these complaints as valid when they assume something that is untrue or expect it to be exactly the same as another system when there is no indication of that

[visual egret]

imo i dont feel like my own private instance of a server software should get moderated by a company, i'll make that stuff per-player disabled by default

[rancid latch]

with as much context as the player reporting wants, you can easily pick out a couple messages from people talking(especially when you consider a large part of minecrafts audience is older now) that would be bad out of context but fine in context, mojang so far seems to have no way to handle that

[vernal moth]

It's their game

They made rules

You follow them

[visual egret]

their game, my server, i'm following the eula

[vernal moth]

If not, face consequences

It's so easy

[worthy geode]

You can still complain about those rules

[spare venture]

yeah i for one want my server to be a bastion of hate speech /s

[ripe sphinx]

the server is their software lol

[vernal moth]

Have you actually read them?

[spare venture]

you’re complaining about stuff you assumed, not anything real

[golden gust]

I mean, we've been speaking to them, there is gonna be some nuance over it and probs more discussions

[worthy geode]

I read the community guidelines the last time you mentioned them, yes

[golden gust]

But, please, take your feedback/issues/complaints to the form they created specifically for this

[spare venture]

did mojang say they will ban you for saying “fuck”? i don’t see that anywhere

[golden gust]

am p. sure that they created a public thing for this

[vernal moth]

I expect them to only act on stuff that is bad in any context, as per the no tolerance items from your rules

[worthy geode]

Create content and conversation that is positive and encouraging, rather than negative and disparaging.

[spare venture]

oh so they didn’t

[vernal moth]

It's pretty clear that they will only act on the no tolerance items from the rules

[spare venture]

they said something vague and you’re building something out of it

[worthy geode]

that, so far, has not been pretty clear

[spare venture]

so why are you jumping to conclusions

[spiral robin]

Average paper general conversation

[visual egret]

because vague rules arent clear

[wet storm]

what if my hypotetical reported offensive sentence is written in russian? How would they recognize does a sentence offensive or not without hiring many professional translators because many of russian offensive words can be turned to "untranslatable" forms...

[worthy geode]

On the other hand, they currently don't apply anyways:

These handy Community Standards cover gameplay using Mojang-provided online services.

[spare venture]

not every company is the exact same

[rancid latch]

auth servers?

[worthy geode]

This includes things like Featured Servers on Bedrock Engine-based platforms and Realms. On top of these, individual titles and sites may have additional policies specific to them – so make sure to check them out, too.

[spare venture]

i think you’re just assuming a ton, jumping to conclusions, and blowing this out of proportion. has major “mojang is trying to kill java by making bedrock!!” vibes

[worthy geode]

there is a trend in that direction though

[visual egret]

^

[spare venture]

where

what are you basing this on

[ripe sphinx]

Mojang has just made purchasing bedrock bundle java and vice versa, and grandfathering in everyone. Clearly java's here to stay for a while still

[rancid latch]

letting someone making a report limit the context seen by the person assessing the report is an objectively terrible idea

[worthy geode]

the game existed for ten years without basically any mojang moderation, and then they added a block list, xbox accounts & now reports

[spare venture]

how do you even know the report has the context limited

[visual egret]

its in the code

[rancid latch]

decompilers exist?

[visual egret]

but that isnt finished

[spare venture]

yeah i’ve been called the n word 1000 times and i’ve survived so that means someone should be able to call me the n word 1000 times more

[spare venture]

show me the code

[worthy geode]

I don't really see how that relates here

[visual egret]

nobody has ever called me the n word on a well moderated server 😅

[ripe sphinx]

and also I'm guessing the powers that be (lawyers) have forced them to be accountable for their playerbase's actions

and that's great

[visual egret]

if you want moderation join realms or a reputable server

[ripe sphinx]

what about the thousands of unmoderated dservers

[worthy geode]

Im not arguing for no moderation, im arguing that moderation should be the server's business

[molten egret]

yeah but the standards are different on different servers

[worthy geode]

If you dislike no or very little moderation, you simply play on a different server

[rancid latch]

am i going to get banned for posting mojmap code?

[twin lagoon]

no

[vernal moth]

Moderation is much more effective globally

[ripe sphinx]

just don't paste a big text wall of code

[crystal lily]

Please send large files/logs to a pastebin

[molten egret]

how did it embed that link?

[vernal moth]

If you identify a child molester on your server, don't you want them gone from the whole game?

[spare venture]

yes

[worthy geode]

it is more effective, but its also less varied and less individual

[spare venture]

but leaving it up to the servers means that person will run rampant

[visual egret]

that's a very odd thing to find through mc chat icl

[ripe sphinx]

bots are able to have markdown links: [display](link)

[worthy geode]

bringing that into this reminds me of the EU spying on chats because of the same argument...

[rare python]

I think moderation in general is good, however I don't trust Microsoft to do in it in a way that won't cause issues.

[molten egret]

ye

[spare venture]

so no moderation is the answer?

[lament patio]

I think we all agree that severe offenses like slurs and such should be banned, I'm not particularly concerned but I'm curious how they'll handle certain items they list

[ripe sphinx]

(obviously they don't allow user accounts to do that because [Free nitro](https://ip logger) go brr)

[molten egret]

I think only the worst of the worst need to be yeeted

[visual egret]

so moderation enforced by servers should be the answer

[ripe sphinx]

and what happens when servers don't moderate?

[worthy geode]

enforce the EULA on those servers

[visual egret]

then people stay or leave

[molten egret]

people can leave

[ripe sphinx]

Mojang needs to be able to do something about it then

[worthy geode]

add some moderation part to the EULA, and enforce that on servers that get reported for no moderation

[rancid latch]

I wouldn't have an issue with this if categories like "profanity" werent there, people should be banned for that, but a system that allows players to maliciously omit context is not the answer

[worthy geode]

lets the people who actually know the server and players deal with moderation itself, while at the same time making the game safe enough

[spare venture]

mojang has not said that you can’t swear on third party servers

[molten egret]

I think if there is cp they should ban the person but for lesser things it shouln't be for mojang/microsoft to enforce

[vernal moth]

You really need to stop reading only headlines

[rancid latch]

then why is it a report reason?

[vernal moth]

Also that proposal is not going to happen anyways

Cause Germany is blocking it

[worthy geode]

yeah, luckily

[molten egret]

ye

germany pog now

[vernal moth]

But the proposal is not about spying on messages at all

[spare venture]

do you really think mojang is going to enforce swearing on every third party server

[worthy geode]

its just a shitty argument, because it always puts the people who are against something like this in the same corner as child molesters

[vernal moth]

It's about preventing child porn from being shared

[visual egret]

they're called 3rd party for a reason yk

[vernal moth]

Which is stupid since those criminals don't use messengers

They use forums

[spare venture]

third party server on mojangs platform with mojangs authentication

[rancid latch]

https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/d8bfc63a65774ab6b9b7cf7ec7f0e2f7

obviously not the full system, but i think thats enough to show what im trying to say

[ripe sphinx]

making something illegal without any way of enforcing it is uselss though

[spare venture]

looks like evidence, reason, and opinion comments are included. that seems like context to me

[worthy geode]

Server is missing

[spare venture]

uhhh so?

[ripe sphinx]

"If you go through this unlocked gate, we'll arrest you, but we can only do that if we see you do it"

[worthy geode]

Calling someone a bad word after loosing a PvP battle is very different from just randomly attacking someone

[rare python]

any chance someone could look at my PR which has been dead for a month

[spare venture]

a TOS violation is a TOS violation my friend

[worthy geode]

Context matters.

[rancid latch]

evidence selected by the player, with no ability to see more, comments specified by player

[molten egret]

ye

that's messed up

[spare venture]

jumping to conclusions on how mojang will interpret that or judge that

[molten egret]

they should send 5 mins in either direction to mojang

[vernal moth]

It's good enough, no?

[rare python]

Context is important.

[vernal moth]

If a report has not enough evidence to be conclusive it will just be closed

[spare venture]

it’s almost like mojang MIGHT reject a report for not being an outright violation

[vernal moth]

You guys are making this a bigger thing that it is

[spare venture]

this is where jumping to conclusions happens

[vernal moth]

Just chill

[worthy geode]

blame Mojang for adding stuff first, and then promising the explaining article for some later date

[vernal moth]

Not like you need any context for racial slurs or whatever

[spare venture]

has anyone been banned yet?

[vernal moth]

It's literally not released

[spare venture]

ik i’m proving a point

[vernal moth]

And even if it's released they said they just testing, not banning

It's early

[molten egret]

well yknow it is ok for a black person to say the nword

[vernal moth]

Is it?

[spare venture]

lol that’s a topic not for paper general

[worthy geode]

tbf thats something current server moderation also can't really distinguish properly

[molten egret]

yeah generally it is

[ripe sphinx]

the day's still young

[visual egret]

i've changed my mind

[rancid latch]

I cant speak for the n word, but a close lgbt friend calling me the f slur and some random kid calling me the f slur are VERY different, and mojang has no way to distinguish that

[visual egret]

i do not have an opinion on this until something happens

[worthy geode]

There also some somewhat evil methods, like getting someone to talk about slurs someone else said, but just reporting those repeated slurs

[rancid latch]

^

[silver nexus]

Just don't be an ass... if you are an ass, don't be an ass to the point someone reports you.

[visual egret]

reasons why the context thing is needed

[vernal moth]

Both are bad and rule violations and should not be acceptable?

[spare venture]

what about the third person on the server who sees that and gets offended because someone said a very hateful slur?

[rare python]

I just don't trust Microsoft to do it in a way that won't needlessly screw people over, trust has to be earned.

[worthy geode]

What if that server has a local chat? Mojang can't know

The server mods would know

[worn ember]

imagine getting offended by pixels on a screen

[vernal moth]

It's not Microsoft, it's Mojang. The company that fostered this community for over a decade.

There is enough trust here

[spiral robin]

The server communicates using signs

[unkempt jackal]

The server communicates using named items

[spare venture]

some of you are trying really hard to justify using hateful slurs right now and it’s frightening

[worthy geode]

Its nice that you trust them MiniDigger, but based on the feedback ive seen so far the community as whole in generally doesn't

[molten egret]

you could have your server strip the signatures off the messages

[worn ember]

just be like discord and say fuck it and make your community manage that shit

[visual egret]

the server now communicates using boss bars and books

[vernal moth]

A vocal minority that is scared they can't use slurs anymore, not the actual Minecraft community

[worthy geode]

Well, only people that are unhappy complain

[spare venture]

or people jumping to conclusions

[worn ember]

nah everyone complains

[molten egret]

a large portion of the community is already not a big fan of microsoft

[vernal moth]

Anyways, this is boring, just wait and see

[spare venture]

did you poll them

[vernal moth]

When will people stop talking about Microsoft?

[spare venture]

or is this just that “big” portion that you see?

[worthy geode]

When they sell Mojang again

[vernal moth]

This is Minecraft, made by Mojang studios

[worn ember]

Next patch notes: server performance decreased by 10% for no reason /s

[vernal moth]

Microsoft has nothing to do with this

[spare venture]

microsoft is just the bogeyman for no reason, when they have done nothing

[lament patio]

Implicit at this point

[rare python]

Well no, Microsoft owns Mojang.

[worthy geode]

Well, its MS/Xbox Accounts that would get banned