general

[quick obsidian]

well realistically what you do when you kernel panic is just restart and hope that it doesn't happen again

[golden gust]

I used WUBI years ago

[magic river]

I think it doesn't work if you're using KMS, unless you're also using KMSCON?

[golden gust]

that memonic is etched into my head

[molten egret]

The kernel is almost always still intact when gnome crashes

[magic river]

magic sysrq keys are disabled on most systems these days

[quick obsidian]

what are the other popular DEs other than gnome and kde i forget

[molten egret]

So the riesub may allow some apps to shut down properly

[quick obsidian]

tbh i just accept defeat and restart

[lilac moon]

xfce

[quick obsidian]

oh yeah xfce

[molten egret]

Whole screen Terminal

[lilac moon]

i used to use dwm and i kinda wish i still did

[quick obsidian]

thats just a wm though isn't it

[molten egret]

Just plain x11

[lilac moon]

yeah

someday i will try i3

[quick obsidian]

i3-gaps + neovim to be the ultimate linux chad

[lilac moon]

was going to try sway but currently it is pretty useless on nvidia

[quick obsidian]

i wonder if alpine linux will ever branch off into more distros

or if arm support will become standard within the next few years since that seems to be the direction we're heading

[coarse venture]

i did, i upgraded sabnzb and it froze up, picked the wrong cpu thing apparantly. black screen, and small text in the middle in 10 languages saying it's a panic.

[quick obsidian]

rip

[coarse venture]

first real crash 1,5 years ago, since 2017 on this machine

[quick obsidian]

i normally run things stock in fairness, especially apple things - they tend to make pretty stable stuff that works for my use case so i never have a need to tinker with it

[scenic sleet]

im using 1.19 and gravel sand and gravity items dont work and furnaces dont smetlt

[quick obsidian]

macos + homebrew and i'm sorted

[quick obsidian]

#paper-help

[simple garden]

when i use /spawn it teleports me to my world spawn and not to my hub spawn which is the initial spawn for multiverse. is there anyway to make it so they teleport to my hub and not my world?

[warm anchor]

Config your MV

[quick obsidian]

alias spawn to essentials:spawn

if you're using ess

[shy eagle]

Is minecraft auth down for anyone else?

[novel horizon]

yes

[shy eagle]

ehh this just happened a few week ago -.-

[unkempt jackal]

And a few days ago

[golden gust]

Mojang?

stable services?

what?!

[shy eagle]

On good news I just noticed that they added native Mac arm support on java. No more using a third party client for me lol

[peak ginkgo]

i've been based by manymc i love this thing

[shy eagle]

The Lunar client had some neat mods but ran into more issues compared to when I had a windows pc with the official client. Minecraft runs so slow under rosetta

[peak ginkgo]

i've never seen a need for any client

at most i use a few optimization mods and https://essential.gg

I do only play latest though, I don't downgrade to 1.8 for Hypixel anymore

[spare venture]

if you dislike resource packs taking a long time to apply, this modpack is great

server resource packs get applied instantly instead of 3-10 seconds

[unkempt jackal]

What mod does it include that addresses it?

[novel palm]

Will this still be the case when Paper 1.19.1 gets released?

[pallid edge]

There's that one mod which removes the animation from resource pack loading making it seem a lot faster

[novel palm]

Just wondering because Anarchy servers like 2b2t will be fucked depending on what Mojang considers "abusive"

[twin lagoon]

ess*ntial

[lavish compass]

@twin lagoon

[unkempt jackal]

invite friends to your single player worlds
UPNP?

[twin lagoon]

something something TURN server

[shy eagle]

Hypixel does allow me to log in with 1.19 so I think they are using viaversion or another plugin to make that part easier

[lavish compass]

Essential uses ICE I believe

[eager orbit]

did mojang auth go down?

[peak ginkgo]

fixed in 1.19.1

[twin lagoon]

it did

[peak ginkgo]

it's ICE, UPnP was problematic af iirc

[lavish compass]

The same technology behind Discord and WebRTC, the difference being that Essential doesn't proxy

[peak ginkgo]

it just didn't fuckin work on certain routers and the solution was not to use it at all

[twin lagoon]

DashLoader does the magic there

shit will break at one point if you use it

[shy eagle]

Though I was just annoyed that java had native support for M1 for over a year now and Mojang just added it to their launcher this past week. Though I get it that us Mac gamers are weirdos lol

[peak ginkgo]

my custom "modpack"

[lavish compass]

I mean, at least they added support for it

[shy eagle]

Can you add mods to the official launcher? Lunar added this compass which was so useful and I think should be in the official game.

[unkempt jackal]

I couldn't help but notice you aren't using kennytv's force close loading screen mod

[lavish compass]

In contrast, Linux don't really get love from most games

[shy eagle]

Ya I can't argue now as they did fix it lol.

[golden gust]

Yes, but official launcher ofc has no management thing for it

[peak ginkgo]

i was when i played on pre1 i guess i never reinstalled it LOL

[lavish compass]

Plasmo Voice

[tawdry hazel]

mojang servers are dead

[peak ginkgo]

its the one we're feeding to the mod installer, so ya

i just kinda use it as my main and i know it's updated

[shy eagle]

I would tell friends to go like north or some direction and they would be confused lol

[peak ginkgo]

the peak of gaming was fortnite adding the compass and telling people to go/look in certain headings

[shy eagle]

I also just learned a few months ago the compass points you to spawn, not north cause that would make too much sense

[peak ginkgo]

"hes 138"

[lavish compass]

Imagine if Minecraft has useful HUDs someday

[wide chasm]

I always just use F3 for the wind directions

[unkempt jackal]

Technically the vanilla compass functions more similarly to compasses in real life than it would if it just pointed north

Since then you can assume that spawn is acting like one of Earth's poles

[shy eagle]

I figured out yesterday you can set the game score to show others health and stuff which is useful when joining together to attack mobs and stuff

[peak ginkgo]

friendly reminder there's API to set where th compass points to :p

[shy eagle]

Oh right I guess if spawn is the North Pole then it would be correct? xD

[peak ginkgo]

yeah you can put it in every objective slot, and it does something pretty if you put it in tab

[wide chasm]

I feel like the compass pointing to spawn is more useful than it pointing to the north, though

[shy eagle]

Right, that is why I liked the compass at the top of the screen showing directions. Like you have in some cars

[wide chasm]

You have the F3 menu if you want.

[spare venture]

what

[wide chasm]

Not the prettiest, but gets the job done

[spare venture]

yes, my game crashes about 1 in 10 times

[shy eagle]

Yup F3 works, just does not look great lol

[unkempt jackal]

Someday I'll get a car that has that. Some day

[twin lagoon]

it's stupid fast though when it works

[spare venture]

good

[unkempt jackal]

Yeah and f3 looks even worse after you install a lot fo render optimization mods

[spare venture]

honestly with how fast the game loads, it's still a net benefit

[wide chasm]

But if I'm doing anything semi-serious in the game, I'll have the F3 menu open anyway.

[twin lagoon]

there's some scenarios where it doesn't work properly though

[wide chasm]

Seeing my coordinates, direction, light levels, block properties, etc. is too useful.

[shy eagle]

Yup, F3 menu is a must when creating more involved and complex stuff

Don't bedrock players get screwed there? I don't think they have that feature

[wide chasm]

They don't, so yes they're screwed

[shy eagle]

Unless you get your hands on that secret dev edition I’ve been hearing about lol

[worthy geode]

you get some stats in the insider builds.
and you can enable coordinates in the settings iirc

[tropic flame]

there's a mod called BetterF3 that improves the look of it

[peak ginkgo]

server resource packs applying has a speed boost in the 1.19.1 snapshot... https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-252082

[tropic flame]

it looks pretty good imo

[worthy geode]

that looks even worse

too much visual noise

[tropic flame]

... no?

the vanilla F3 suffers from lack of distinct visuals

it's all white

all too cluttered

[peak ginkgo]

thats a very harsh set of colors

and thats still equally cluttered just colored

[tropic flame]

many variables being changed per second which makes it even more confusing

[shy eagle]

lol there is already 1.19.1 patch coming?

[tropic flame]

well, the colors help

at least for me

[spare venture]

so it is cut in half essentially?

[peak ginkgo]

Yea, today marks the first snapshot for it

[peak ginkgo]

ye because the client nolonger has to unload the pack twice

[shy eagle]

That felt quick lol

[peak ginkgo]

it just downloads and applies the new one

[spare venture]

beautiful

[peak ginkgo]

We've been waiting for MC-252082 to be fixed it's felt like a forever

We reported it before 1.19 released and hoped it would get the proper attention but it didn't until after the fact lole

[spare venture]

takes some of my players like 15 seconds to load in

on a 1mb resource pack

[peak ginkgo]

reda the bug it's really cool!

[twin lagoon]

only when there's already a server resource pack loaded

[spare venture]

yeah that's what i thought

damn

[shy eagle]

Do realms automatically update ? Never owned one so not sure how simple they make it

[spare venture]

convenient for some, but the resource pack load speed is really slow overall

[twin lagoon]

@little frost bestest of emilias

[little frost]

didn't even open the pr you were already thanking me?

[twin lagoon]

i have insider trading info

kezz needs to be less lazy and rebase our web-ui instance though .

[little frost]

classic kezz

[vestal jasper]

@little frost BEST kezz fanclub member

[twin lagoon]

@untold meadow fix it

[little frost]

@untold meadow smh

but don't yet because i'm still making prs

[twin lagoon]

fix the pixel offset thing too

[untold meadow]

hahahaaaaaaa no

[mental meadow]

@untold meadow

[untold meadow]

fonts are disgusting

[lavish compass]

get me to fix it 😄

[untold meadow]

@mental meadow

[lavish compass]

/s

[twin lagoon]

ok

no too late for /s i already replied

you can fix it now

[untold meadow]

do you fancy a challenge cubxity ?

thank you for offering

[lavish compass]

what did i get myself into

[mental meadow]

I will do it for social interaction

[little frost]

i spent an entire day counting pixels by hand and shit when you openend that issue and since the result differed between browsers i just gave up

[twin lagoon]

basically you need to rewrite adventure-webui to render characters pixel by pixel so browsers don't fuck with it @lavish compass

https://github.com/KyoriPowered/adventure-webui/issues/115

[lavish compass]

[mental meadow]

[untold meadow]

exactly

[twin lagoon]

i looked into it a bit myself aswell and there's 0 fucking way to get a browser to stop messing with font rendering

[little frost]

yes

[mental meadow]

Just set up a bot that writes it in Minecraft chat and takes a screenshot ez

[twin lagoon]

there just is not any way to render a bitmap font properly without any shadow or antialiasing

we don't have the technology for it in 2022

humanity is not there yet

[untold meadow]

well there's a css thing to turn off antialiasing but it doesn't fucking work

[twin lagoon]

yes

[mental meadow]

BUT what we do have is Michael

[twin lagoon]

TRUE

[mental meadow]

Which is epic

[twin lagoon]

kezz wants me to die idk why

[vernal moth]

kek this took me way longer than I wanna admit: https://streamable.com/wht62q

[untold meadow]

font-smooth and a webkit alternative but like ????? doesn't do anything ???

[mental meadow]

Michael have you seen my epic selfmade key

[twin lagoon]

i have

looked jank

[lavish compass]

hangar progress???

[mental meadow]

💩

I'm gonna Dremel it out of an old router case tomorrow instead of cardboard and it will be epic

Then i can enter like 80% of multi party houses in Austria

[lavish compass]

I mean surely it's not that hard to just copy how MC renders fonts right

they got a font texture

[void void]

it is if you're doing it in a browser

[lavish compass]

you do some funny UV mapping and render it in a canvas or something

[mental meadow]

Mini ngl I think hangar is great but every time i look at it the design just puts me off

[untold meadow]

cubxity offering to convert webui to use canvas ??

[lavish compass]

I never said that

[untold meadow]

thank you cubxitu

muchly appreciated

[mental meadow]

That's what I said
Just use Minecraft to render

[lavish compass]

I can do it in October

[void void]

just shove the entire client into the website

run a local server and ping that

[twin lagoon]

can't use canvas fonts atleast

[void void]

the joys of web dev

[twin lagoon]

tried using the minecraftia font in canvas already

[lavish compass]

JVM in wasm + webgpu to run Minecraft

[mental meadow]

Ok but how cool would it be to be able to see the preview of how it would look like directly on your server

[twin lagoon]

so true

[lavish compass]

oh my god

[lavish compass]

what a great idea

[void void]

JVM.js when™️

that probably exists, given that this is JS we're talking about

[lavish compass]

xxxxxx.preview.kyori.dev eta when?

[mental meadow]

Now that Cubxity is here

[untold meadow]

that reminds me

[void void]

of course it does https://plasma-umass.org/doppio-demo/

[untold meadow]

i rly want a minimessage logo

anyone fancy making one ?

[lavish compass]

@warm anchor

[spiral robin]

Hi

[twin lagoon]

can i get a kezz logo

[spiral robin]

God I love hotwire

Based

[twin lagoon]

love PHP

[spiral robin]

It’s not php

[lavish compass]

I dislike ssr

[odd slate]

[mental meadow]

Does it have to be good
And can i make it gay

[shy eagle]

[peak ginkgo]

🤗

[untold meadow]

maybe and yes

[lavish compass]

Kyori-chan, WHEN?

[untold meadow]

i wanna make a "made with minimessage" badge or smth plugin devs can put on pages that links to docs + support + viewer

[mental meadow]

Uuuuh

[untold meadow]

but that obvs needs a sexy logo

[little frost]

i also want prs to auto-deploy but its hard because of the backend component

[void void]

flags don't seem to work

[untold meadow]

we could def set up deployment for front end changes only

issue time >:)

[peak ginkgo]

run 1.8

[twin lagoon]

try paper 1.8

[shy eagle]

Lol am I am weird one for saying that the new combat stuff is better than 1.8? I don't get it, I guess cause I am newer to minecraft

[worthy geode]

both suck

1.8 is too spammy, 1.9 is too slow

[void void]

well, it's doing something

[shy eagle]

I like the harder hits with the sword slashing. When I play hypixle drives me crazy not being able to do that lol

[untold meadow]

"both suck"

[lavish compass]

There's this really cool thing

https://blog.stackblitz.com/posts/introducing-webcontainers/

although imagine it, for jvm

[peak ginkgo]

i remember preferring 1.9 when it first came out

now i dont care

[visual egret]

guys I have a question, what do you usually name your home networks

[worthy geode]

anyone happens to know if there is an intellij setting for cursor size somewhere?
My cursor is suddenly absolutely gigantic, but only in intellij

[visual egret]

or do you just stick with the default

[unkempt jackal]

I don't ever change mine

[warm anchor]

@lavish compass

[visual egret]

.g IntelliJ cursor massive

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) https://stackoverflow.com/questions/36707610/intellij-idea-how-to-get-rid-of-thick-caret-cursor

[visual egret]

nvm

it’s probably on google somewhere

[worthy geode]

yeah I googled, only "I have also the same problem"

its a bit hilarious

[void void]

comically large cursor

[mental meadow]

Might be a windows thing or accessibility settings?

[worthy geode]

I checked windows scaling settings, everything is 100%

and it just suddenly happened, yesterday it was fine. Guess at least I can't loose it now

[true canyon]

Pain

[warm anchor]

14kg what

[little frost]

@twin lagoon https://webui.adventure.kyori.net/api/build xoxo

[upper garnet]

hi everyone

[true eagle]

i have cancer

[twin lagoon]

gonna rebase without kezz

don't need kezz

[upper garnet]

how i can get a player from this event

[void void]

getWhoClicked iirc

Yeah

[twin lagoon]

nvm @untold meadow fix it

[void void]

getWhoClicked returns a humanentity or something

[upper garnet]

thanks

[worthy geode]

you can cast humanentity to player

[void void]

Certain InventoryHolder would be a better solution though

But to everyone their own

[upper garnet]

by the way, can AsyncPlayerChatEvent track all chat messages?

[twin lagoon]

nvm actually rebased just fine

based kezz

[void void]

just apatch it™️

works all of the time, 50% of the time

[upper garnet]

inventory holder in that menu is commndExecutor

by the way, can AsyncPlayerChatEvent track all chat messages?

[golden gust]

Depends on what you mean by that

all player chat messages? yes

[true canyon]

Just some random group I joined for the benefits.

[golden gust]

all messages which end up in the chat box? no

[upper garnet]

thank you

[untold meadow]

stoopid

tbh you should be able to rebase it easily

[warm anchor]

[twin lagoon]

i rebased it

[untold meadow]

conflicts would be tiny

oh see

im always righr

slack post when ????

setup when ??????

[warm anchor]

They gonna fuck up Battle Pass @true canyon I can already see it

[twin lagoon]

banger commit name

[untold meadow]

also if you don't change the bytebin instance in a commit prefixed with nox: i will cry

[twin lagoon]

too late

[untold meadow]

ok, ill fix it tomorrow

[twin lagoon]

[true canyon]

can't wait!

[little frost]

,

[twin lagoon]

i fucked up the rebase already and had to add a ,

nvm everything is broken kezz fix it

[true canyon]

yay

[untold meadow]

ffs michael

[little frost]

michael is living up to his status

[warm anchor]

Techie or go home

[untold meadow]

how did you manage to break it THIS MUCH

[twin lagoon]

look i fixed my commit messages take it or leave it

[warm anchor]

Normal game is 5vs5 techie is 1vs9

[twin lagoon]

idk someone had to have it updated to ktor 2

emilia problem honestly

[little frost]

i can't even fix your shit for you because it's private

[twin lagoon]

we can change that

send emilia an NDA ?

[untold meadow]

pretty commits are definitely the most important

[vestal jasper]

@twin lagoon uwu

[warm anchor]

Michael never sign my nda

[twin lagoon]

uwu

[little frost]

an nda for the project i'm already working on

[twin lagoon]

it's adventure-webui with more kezz

[untold meadow]

maybe ill make a plugin system just to make it even more michael proof

i thought this hook shit was good enough but

[little frost]

ktor issue honestly, just make a good library and you won't need a version 2

[twin lagoon]

fixed it

[untold meadow]

oh did that actually break it

[twin lagoon]

yes

[untold meadow]

ohhh ye ofc

[twin lagoon]

yeah i'm pretty much a senior kotlin dev now

[little frost]

not a high bar

[coarse venture]

im jealous

[untold meadow]

the worse type of senior kotlin dev, a kotlin/js senior kotlin dev

[upper garnet]

how i can get message from AsyncChatEvent

[void void]

run it through the plaintextserializer

[untold meadow]

.message() :)

[upper garnet]

thank you very much

[twin lagoon]

@untold meadow based everything still works

[untold meadow]

let's go ?!

slack post ???

[twin lagoon]

god i love emilia

[quasi valley]

I love michael

[warm anchor]

I love kneny

[coarse venture]

screenshotted

buy your merch at store paper io

[untold meadow]

TRUE

[twin lagoon]

love @quasi valley

[unkempt jackal]

Is there actually paper merch?

[warm anchor]

You have to wish harder

[upper garnet]

i'm sorry but...

how..

[untold meadow]

learn java ?

wrong return type

[twin lagoon]

toxic kezz

[upper garnet]

I know, but Component it's interface

how can I then compare it with something

[untold meadow]

what is the xy here

[upper garnet]

or how do I get a string from a component

[untold meadow]

for what reason

[upper garnet]

I still thought that TextComponent implements component

[untold meadow]

many different string representations, what one will suit you best depends on why you want it

it doesn't implement it, it extends it - text component is also an interface

[unkempt jackal]

Put them on a lead. That's how I keep 2 locked in my basement

[upper garnet]

Then this string will be used as a method argument from another plugin.

[untold meadow]

im begging for context pls

what is this other method

help me help you

[untold meadow]

can the name be coloured

[upper garnet]

no

[untold meadow]

fab, then just use the PlainTextComponentSerializer

[upper garnet]

?

as what is returned

[untold meadow]

what

[spiral robin]

[untold meadow]

PlainTextComponentSerializer.plainText().serialize(component)

[upper garnet]

thanks

[warm anchor]

Kezz epic

[untold meadow]

no u xoxo

[upper garnet]

like this?

[untold meadow]

sure

[shy eagle]

I know little bit of java but is there any good sites or resources for past beginner java?

[untold meadow]

jetbrains academy

you can skip past the initial set of stuff if you know it

[coarse venture]

back in the day we had lynda dot com 😄

[valid quest]

any good bot stress testing services?

[visual egret]

you can test it locally via a little python, offline mode and pyminecraft/minecraftpy

I made a little tool to spam offline mode bots onto a network thing when I had to test a plugin

[acoustic granite]

Any devs want to share a test server so we do dev stuff in a non lonely way?

[twin lagoon]

plenty of those exist

[acoustic granite]

Orly nao. Where can I find them?

[unkempt jackal]

Dw, paper.jar is secretly a key logger, so you haven't been alone at all this entire time

[acoustic granite]

I sincerely hope that's not true

[coarse venture]

/logs/latest.log

[acoustic granite]

I mean it would have to be a server-sided blogger but still

Oh that's fine then

Basically, since the new update is out, I have a whole bunch of plugins that need updating. But I'm really not sure how many people actually even use the plugins so sometimes it's kind of nice to just at least be able to talk to people while you're working on it

[vestal jasper]

Wouldn't that only work with the feature turned on?

If messages aren't signed I don't think the client will be able to report it

[odd slate]

no, all messages can be reported

[vestal jasper]

huh

so what's stopping false reports then

@plain herald #paper-help

[coarse venture]

i think it's pretty clear when someone's signed msgs getting reported dont violate anything that it's a false report and it will not go anywhere.

[vestal jasper]

No, I mean, if the message isn't signed how would MS know the person actually sent it

What's stopping someone from submitting a forged report with something the user didn't send

Yeah it uses the social interactions menu. If messages are sent as system, they won't show up there

[coarse venture]

i dont know why mojang would bother with unsigned msgs in the first place. lol

[odd slate]

moderators are given the context that its not real, but nothing is really stopping it

so i imagine that verified chat messages are more likely to have action than unsigned ones

[vestal jasper]

are non-signed messages sent as system or do they still get the sender identity?

[odd slate]

server information like ip are also sent in that context

[twin lagoon]

vic 🥺

[coarse venture]

peeps are a bit too paranoid about it in my opinion

[twin lagoon]

jackson 🥺

[unkempt drift]

they still get the sender identity. but not on spigot or paper servers. everything is a system message (except vanilla comamnds like /msg, /teammsg, /say, /me)

the player chat packet as a signed and unsigned portion

if an unsigned part is sent in the packet, that is what is showed (assuming the client has set that it can see unsigned messages)

[vestal jasper]

wait

Can you send both?

[unkempt drift]

you can send a player chat packet with both, but the unsigned is an Optional, and if its present, the signed content is ignored

[vestal jasper]

Say I want to prepend stuff to the message for staff, do I still get to send the signed message along with those modifications?

oh

I see

[odd slate]

i haven't actually tried out the moderation system, just looked at the code a bit

[vestal jasper]

Not so much paranoid, I'm gonna have to work with this stuff soon

[odd slate]

[unkempt jackal]

Is that a Skype emoji

[wind geyser]

Yo omg is Michael Jackson

[twin lagoon]

could be

[odd slate]

true

[limber knot]

well, I mean

[vestal jasper]

:skypewave: might be

[limber knot]

Would explain alot, being in the block game space

[odd slate]

[warm anchor]

The funniest part is people are ok sending their ips and private chat in plain text to a random stranger (server owner) and all the whoever that can access to server log but the first second Microsoft wants to add chat feature, they all act like it’s end of the world

[worthy geode]

its mostly a debate over who should have the authority on a third party server imo

[spare venture]

its mojangs game 🤷‍♂️

and mojang's account

[warm anchor]

I for one think java server need more moderation. Too many kids buying illegal lootbox that’s basically gambling

[spare venture]

that very player who says the n word on one server will do it on another

[coarse venture]

and if that player constantly gets reported and the content is the same, then maybe mojangs system flags it for moderation review, which checks it out and goes' yeah we should sanction that somehow' AND THEN THEY TELL THEIR PARENtS

and oh boy..

[worthy geode]

Mojang should just moderate servers that do not moderate, instead of bypassing the community server part of minecraft completely

[coarse venture]

gn everybody, dont be so paranoid. just do better online and you're fine.

[warm anchor]

[limber knot]

*licks eternity *

[limber knot]

Tastes like

weeb

[void void]

will that disable the report function though, that's the important part, there needs to be a way to just not have the system at all

[limber knot]

use a mod

[worthy geode]

ehh, their goal is right here so im a bit unsure about completely disabling it. its just the wrong approach

[void void]

but it isn't, top down moderation for a server based community can't work and the language they're worried about should be allowed

[warm anchor]

I don’t think there is a place for every voice especially not the one they are trying to get rid of (example can be found on 4chan)

[limber knot]

I doubt there will ever be a way to completely disable non-signed chat if your community really wants that ¯_(ツ)_/¯

but most will most likely not care enough to try circumvent anything

[warm anchor]

Which is ok

[worthy geode]

its still a game with a young audience, so them being worried about that makes sense

[limber knot]

aren't kids killing each other in fortnite nowadays?

[rare python]

As I have said, I have no issue with with chat moderation features, I just don't trust Mojang Microsoft to do it correctly.

[worthy geode]

they should just involve the server the report occured one in some way, even if its just for context

[limber knot]

tbh I would worry more about how to technically implement cross server chat properly with the signing enabled than how to circumvent it 👀

[rare python]

Proxy?

[jade flax]

Yeah proxies can handle it

[limber knot]

lots of chat plugins run on the minecraft server

and bridge via pubsub or something

[warm anchor]

Scroll up. Someone already answered

[limber knot]

to allow chat once it's enabled by default? wat

[rare python]

Proxy works best for cross server chat really, at least until you have multiple proxies, but very few servers will find them selves in that position.

[limber knot]

I'm just wondering how to actually use it in a setup where your chat plugin is running on the minecraft server (mine doesn't but still. there needs to be a solution)

I guess one could forward the signing stuff somehow

so we need api to send signed chat messages to the client

[worthy geode]

yeah that is pretty surely planned

[warm anchor]

Baby steps

[limber knot]

eventually we will have third party auth and signing servers anyways ¯_(ツ)_/¯

once MS pulls the plug in 10 or 20 years lol

[warm anchor]

Bach

[limber knot]

or well *all have, third party auth already exists 👀

[warm anchor]

Nah Mc will be around much longer

It’s a game with a good replability

[limber knot]

MC will but will Mojang continue to develop it or MS support/run the servers?

[rare python]

Minecraft is basically kept alive by servers at this point.

That and mods.

[warm anchor]

Idk man bedrock side server partners are doing ok too

[limber knot]

which are servers

lol

[rare python]

It won't surprise me if 1.18.2 becomes the new 1.8.8

And I think it probably will to an extent.

[coarse venture]

peter, earlier you said 1.19 was the new 1.8, make up your mind :p

[warm anchor]

[limber knot]

all survival servers will update anyways, we need to provide the new content lol

and people will need to adapt anyways if they want to support new clients (which most will want to to not loose out on new players)

[warm anchor]

Yeah after all people who stayed in outdated version is just a small & loud vocal minorities

That’s why we have bstat

[limber knot]

they haven't enforced anything yet. nobody will stay on 1.18

[rare python]

Sorry, recent updates have been so irrelevant to me that they all blur together.

[warm anchor]

It has playercount too you can take average out of all versions

I don’t think it’s something that can be contested that most players play modern version

[rare python]

I get more interested in changes made by Paper compared to Mojang.

That's mostly because the server I run is very not vanilla, so Mojang adding new terrain generation or the warden means nothing... as its all disabled.

[void void]

yeah, if mojang forces it, setting a config line for it in paper global is hopefully possible

[limber knot]

@rugged pilot it doesn't

[vernal moth]

the real numbers are actually vastly higher, since many people, including many hosts, disable bstats

[limber knot]

it doesn't report at all as far as I'm aware lol

[rare python]

I keep bStats enabled.

I find that data interesting, so I would prefer for it to be accurate.

[timber ice]

Who cares

Just use whatever version you want

[worthy geode]

1.14.2!

[rare python]

Old software bad

[warm anchor]

1.13

[lilac moon]

who disables bstats though

[worthy geode]

performs better than 1.14 at least

[timber ice]

Me

[rare python]

You fail to update for too long, then updating becomes to hard, so you miss out on all the new cool stuff.

[timber ice]

I don't think that's the issue most of the time.

[lilac moon]

is bstats's account system still terrible

[warm anchor]

Apparently all 1.8 server come together and decided to disable it that’s why 1.8 despite being the most popular server version is not showing up on bstat!

[lilac moon]

yep still no option to change email or password

[lilac moon]

really?

[rare python]

A server I used play on was stuck on 1.12.2, then it finally jumped to 1.16.5... and then died 6 months later as it had already lost a lot of players for various reasons.

[timber ice]

He's joking

[warm anchor]

[lilac moon]

there could be some truth in it because 1.8 is so old it probably doesnt even support bstats properly

or maybe even at all?

[vernal moth]

plugins do

1.8 is dead

[warm anchor]

No it was a joke because it was a ridiculous reason brought up

[shy eagle]

Ya so much stuff missing

[vernal moth]

you can't just ignore the stats because you don't like them

[shy eagle]

Some pvp servers are still on it for some reason lol.

[rare python]

I have a hatred for outdated software.

[lilac moon]

because of 1.8 pvp

[unkempt jackal]

Yeah isn't hypixel on 1.8?

[worthy geode]

no

[lilac moon]

yes

[warm anchor]

Because attack have cooldown is too much skill. They much rather use a spam clicker

[timber ice]

You cant use hypixel as a reference

[lilac moon]

if not 1.8 then what are they on

[worthy geode]

Hypixel

[timber ice]

They have a team of like 60 people

[vernal moth]

hypixel uses their own server software that is not comparable to anything paper ever produced

[lilac moon]

interesting

[vernal moth]

they got their own protocol impl most likely

[warm anchor]

And it’s not 1.8

[lilac moon]

is it sorta like a hybrid maybe

between all versions

[shy eagle]

It is on an older one, cause I tried to build a blast furnace and was so confused why I could not.

[molten egret]

isn't it like 1.7 or smth in the back?

and like crazy modded?

[shy eagle]

Hypixle is missing some new items, though they like do some of their own stuff and it's all put togehter

[worthy geode]

1.7 was when they started diverging a lot from spigot, so its based on that in some regard

[shy eagle]

Ya they hire their own java devs and have their own crafting system.

[worthy geode]

but "version: hypixel" is probably the most accurate description

[lilac moon]

yatopia: 0.0%

[molten egret]

wot

[lilac moon]

on the global stats on bstats for bukkit'/spigot

[worthy geode]

yeah its dead

[rare python]

It's a shame Hypixel is stuck on suck an old version, they could do so much with modern Minecraft. What resource packs can be brute forced into doing is amazing.

[shy eagle]

Random stuff like enchanted cobblestone and the enchainment system is completely different.

[lilac moon]

enchainment system

[molten egret]

lol

[shy eagle]

Lol I mis spelled that xD

[worthy geode]

tbf there were not a lot of cool resource pack changes in quite some time

[lilac moon]

who is running the 0.0% of servers on s390x, ppc64le, and sparcv9???

[worthy geode]

custom model data is nice, but also not really new and even that was back in 1.14

[shy eagle]

Lol some sparc fans out there

[rare python]

Also bStats is great, you can do cursed things like this.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/555469074080202765/980524012138528778/Screenshot_from_2022-03-24_16-46-58.png

[shy eagle]

If oracle cloud still offered it I would have so done it, put a sign at spawn saying this server is powered by sun microsystems

[lilac moon]

what is that

[lilac moon]

oracle cloud offered sparc or whatever at some point???

i need to look this up

oh it's made by oracle, that would make sense

[rare python]

Graph of "Legacy Plugin Usage" from that time I generated 66666 legacy plugins just so it would show up on bStats as a joke.

[shy eagle]

Ya they did , lot of businesses still have legacy software running on it

[merry talon]

Tbf hiring your own devs is something communities nowhere near the scale of hypixel do as well

they likely staff principal network engineers and shit

[lilac moon]

ill hire myself

[shy eagle]

Would be cool to get ahold of an IBM Z system to put minecraft on, but those are not cheap

[lilac moon]

time for bobacraft, written in rust

[molten egret]

hire recursivley

[shrewd lion]

hypixel somehow circumvents mojang’s auth servers when they go down

they become the only server joinable

[lilac moon]

if i hire myself recursively then that means i hire myself infinitely

so i have infinite manpower

[molten egret]

yes

[shy eagle]

Curious if I could get an old minecraft server version running on my PowerMac G4 hmm

[shrewd lion]

id like to one day see hypixel’s plugins for educational purposes

[lilac moon]

there's a plugin to do this too, supports spigot and also proxies

[shy eagle]

I assume java as around on PowerPC

[lilac moon]

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/alwaysonline.66591/

[shrewd lion]

name?

ty

[worthy geode]

the fact that they needed to add that aternos notice lol

[lilac moon]

lmao

[molten egret]

then throw java.lang.StackOverflowError irl

[shy eagle]

Aternos is that free server thing right? Curious how bad that is

[lilac moon]

i dont have a stack and it's not overflowing

[rare python]

Oh cool, I might use this on my server.

[worthy geode]

its not good. most annoying thing is the aternos audience tho

[lilac moon]

i tried this around like when 1.12 was the latest and it was always out of date, but maybe it's bnetter now

[spare venture]

bypassing mojang auth is kinda sketchy

[lilac moon]

actually i tried it on velocity like 4 months ago and it bugged out with luckperms

[shrewd lion]

its only when its off

[spare venture]

ip matching is safe-ish, though

[lilac moon]

your mileage may vary

[shy eagle]

That is silly is lot of cloud providers will give you a 1gb basic VM for free, I guess need to be more of a tech geek to do that though.

[molten egret]

be careful

[lilac moon]

you cant run an mc server on that though

oracle cloud gives you 24 GB ram free though

[molten egret]

I do

[shy eagle]

Ya they do with their ARM platform, what I use.

[molten egret]

my hub runs on 1 gb

[lilac moon]

i still have a hetzner server

[spare venture]

a vulnerability is a vulnerability

[shy eagle]

I thought 1gb ram would be enough for basic server

[lilac moon]

wonder if i should move to oracle cloud to save cost

[molten egret]

for a hub

it can be ok

[shy eagle]

I assume realms does not give you much more specs, though I think they work on some elastic thing

[lilac moon]

hetzner feels much higher quality though

[molten egret]

it's the processor

[shy eagle]

I've always used Digital Ocean but their prices seem high

[lilac moon]

i think its just that some hosts are cheap, not that digitalocean is expensive

just avoid contabo whatever you do

[twin lagoon]

digitalocean is pretty cheap for a cloud provider

[molten egret]

alot of minecraft server hosts can be overbooking

[lilac moon]

i used to use vultr and it was smiliarly priced to digitalocean but very good quality

[novel horizon]

hetzner is pretty cheap and okay

[shy eagle]

I only gave my vm 3 cores which is not enough so going to up that. Oracle's cloud is more confusing than it needs to be. AWS is really popular but I refuse to support Amazon and their monopoly.

[lilac moon]

ovh is cheaper but not as much as hetzner

[novel horizon]

for a dedicated

[lilac moon]

yeah having a hetzner dedi would be nice

[rare python]

ovh has stupid set up fees

[lilac moon]

but it's way more expensive

[worthy geode]

just don't rely on their ddos "protection"

[lilac moon]

what does it even do

[twin lagoon]

plenty of dedicated server companies that are cheap will have setup fees

[shy eagle]

Ya not sure if bare metal is really needed unless you just have lot of money to waste.

[novel horizon]

yeah but most people dont need to care about ddos if they have some few small servers, well.. mostly

[lilac moon]

hetzner doesnt have setup fees on their vps's :)

[novel horizon]

yeah, they do, unless you buy some big server or so

[lilac moon]

billed hourly too

[novel horizon]

that's everything tho

[twin lagoon]

dedicated server

[worthy geode]

hetzner's AX servers are pretty nice for medium+ sized minecraft servers in terms of price/performance you get

[twin lagoon]

not virtual servers

[novel horizon]

you cant have things for free lol

[molten egret]

no one has setup fees on vps's???

[twin lagoon]

there's no reason a company needs to add set up fees for a virtual server

[lilac moon]

contabo does :trolllaugh:

[molten egret]

lmao

[shy eagle]

Eh ya but my server is meant to be a free social place. Though ya lots of pay to win servers trying to make money with minecraft

[lilac moon]

are there people that dont have setup fees on dedis

[novel horizon]

I mean if you want to make some social place you need some things to do that

can't do that for free

[molten egret]

ovh with one year contract is none

[lilac moon]

contract though...

[molten egret]

yeah

[lilac moon]

i should get rid of my grafana because i never use it anymore

[shy eagle]

One of my first cloud things back in the day was with GoDaddy, most stuff was manual being like I accidentally shut it down and had to send in a support ticket for someone to go turn it back on lol. Feel like GoDaddy has just gone down hill, they used to be the go to place for internet services.

[warm anchor]

1 year is clearly too long, must server dies within first year

[lilac moon]

ive heard nothing but bad things about godaddy

[novel horizon]

I got Hetzner for a long time and never had a problem with them so far, ddos prot might not be a good thing but i am not someone who gets targeted anyway

[worthy geode]

making money from kids buying things with their parents money is just very appealing to a lot of people

[lilac moon]

yeah ddos is not my concern either

[twin lagoon]

yeah godaddy needs to be avoided

[novel horizon]

(except before with some kids using few bots on one offline server)

[shy eagle]

In the early 2000s I remember them being good, but that has been a long time in internet years lol

[lilac moon]

right now im using porkbun for domain registrar but they seem a bit unprofessional, and i switched to cloudflare nameservers

[shy eagle]

I use DreamHost for my website and domain stuff and have liked them

[lilac moon]

wonder if i should move the domains themselves to cloudflare

[shy eagle]

They all seem about the same, like less than 20 bucks per year

[lilac moon]

because i dont really like cloudflare but theyre kinda the best

[shy eagle]

I guess big thing with cloudfare is they do ddos protection or something right?

[lilac moon]

yeah

no

WHAT.

[spiral robin]

Sheesh

[lilac moon]

i didnt know they did more than just http now

[twin lagoon]

it'll be a little more than $5k/mo

[warm anchor]

hypixel uses them yeah

[lilac moon]

idk if theres any other good nameserver compared to cloudflare

[shy eagle]

I see lots of websites that will popup saying cloudflare is doing some check, though I guess I see that with companies.

[twin lagoon]

plenty

[lilac moon]

oh hypixel is on the landing page for cloudflare spectrum

[novel horizon]

for now still 👀 on hetzner

[lilac moon]

do you like not even update your system

[twin lagoon]

fuck kernel updates

[novel horizon]

upwhat?

[lilac moon]

lmao

[rare python]

Imagine restarting when you update your system.

[lilac moon]

my servers are all on 2 days uptime because of a kernel update

[lilac moon]

livepatch user detected???

[novel horizon]

And you are a basket, yet you talk, nice

👀

[rare python]

No

[lilac moon]

what do you do to update your kernel then

[warm anchor]

[molten egret]

how about dont

[twin lagoon]

you legit don't

[shy eagle]

At least linux can install most updates without restarting unlike windows

[rare python]

Well on my server... I don't.

[twin lagoon]

i ain't running an enterprise here

[lilac moon]

skull

[twin lagoon]

i'm not rebooting production servers for a minor kernel update

[lilac moon]

im rebooting them because im not enterprise so i dont need 100% uptime lol

[molten egret]

no one cares when my server goes offline

sometimes I'll start to update plugins then go to sleep

[lilac moon]

its about 10-15 seconds of downtime for me to reboot

[molten egret]

mhm

[novel horizon]

minor kernel update 👀

[molten egret]

0 players 0 problems

[lilac moon]

actually i dont run minecraft so your mileage will vary

the mc server i have i can just reboot when no one is on

[molten egret]

lol

[twin lagoon]

most people don't have the need or resources for that

[molten egret]

how about the edge proxies?

[lilac moon]

i do not have the resourecs to have redundant servers

[novel horizon]

I mean I like the number on uptime, that's neat, but also why restart

[twin lagoon]

especially when it comes to stateful minecraft servers

[lilac moon]

and a full load balancer and stuff

[novel horizon]

If I wanted restarts I'd use windows, well not only for that reason....

[lilac moon]

i am getting rid of my grafana

[molten egret]

a wot

[shy eagle]

The only purpose I see of windows server is for active directory which I don't need so lol

[shrewd lion]

just restart at 4 am, works for most people

[lilac moon]

i dont have 32 servers

[shrewd lion]

if your server is that small

[molten egret]

yes but people afking on skyblock tho

[lilac moon]

they can cope

they have auto-reconnect anyways

[shy eagle]

Are you able to have proxies fallback on another?

[twin lagoon]

no

[shy eagle]

The server fallback thing is cool but that only works if your proxy is working lol

[molten egret]

ehh

just rejoin when I'm done

[worthy geode]

proxies tend to be very stable in my experience

[molten egret]

yes

[lilac moon]

why does gitea think my caddy webserver confiugs are "DIGITAL Command Language"

[twin lagoon]

still need to update them on major version updates

[shy eagle]

Ya but I guess would have to do the kernel update on the proxy server or some other restart update at some point

[worthy geode]

yeah but one restart every few months that kicks players out is fine. don't overdo things lol

[molten egret]

nah

people can rejoin

just restart quickly

[lilac moon]

imagine if minecraft was scalable and you could just do it with no downtime and no hassle

[molten egret]

velocity starts in less than 10 seconds

[shy eagle]

Ah ya I guess you could just make a new one and change the A record on the dns to swap people to that one

[molten egret]

minecraft needs to allow servers to redirect

[lilac moon]

nothign stopping you from using nginx to proxy :troll:

thats a highway

[twin lagoon]

route53 is dns

[lilac moon]

yeah i know

[shy eagle]

Ya route 53 is their DNS service, can buy and sell domains

well not sell, not sure why I said that lol. They sell you domains

[twin lagoon]

route53 isn't load balancing

[lilac moon]

its like nameserver hosting or whatyever

[twin lagoon]

they've just been doing the thing you mentioned before about round-robin proxies for the past 5 years

[shy eagle]

Impressive how much of the market AWS has taken

Like they started out as a bookstore and now run a large part of the internet

[twin lagoon]

just with cloudflare magic transit & spectrum

[molten egret]

can't you use srv records to load ballance?

[twin lagoon]

Note: Multivalue answer routing is not a substitute for Elastic Load Balancing (ELB).

in fairness that is just the round-robin stuff you've mentioned before

but they're fully cloudflare

[shy eagle]

Do you happen to work as a cloud engineer or something Michael? Seem pretty smart about all of it lol

[twin lagoon]

you can literally just look up the nameservers

it's all cloudflare

[twin lagoon]

i just do minecraft for a living

[shy eagle]

Lol damn get paid to play minecraft luckyy

jk

[lilac moon]

looks like hypixel is cloudflare dns

that would make sense, considering the whole cloudflare spectrum thing

[twin lagoon]

there's 0 reason for them use route 53

[void void]

Don't shame me yet

but

My dedicated server

[vestal jasper]

play?

[void void]

was without firewall for 4 days

and my public IP (for the dedicated server) was available for said days too

[vestal jasper]

there's a difference between providing mc related services, and getting paid to play mc

[twin lagoon]

that's ok

[shy eagle]

Lol left ufw disabled ?

[twin lagoon]

yeah i don't really play mc at this point

[void void]

Yeah

I didn't INSTALL ufw

LMAO

[twin lagoon]

modpacks are ok though

[shy eagle]

Ya I was joking around

[twin lagoon]

@vestal jasper

[vestal jasper]

hey did you forget to reenable ufw?

[worthy geode]

imaBASKET.hypixel.net works as well.
just saying - any subdomain works

[void void]

Today I installed UFW, configured CloudFlare & allowed internal loopback for Rancher

[vestal jasper]

@twin lagoon uwu

[twin lagoon]

uwu

[void void]

I didn't have ufw to begin with uwu

also enabled ufw

with default incoming denied

outgoing allowed

[shy eagle]

Oracle does the whole iptable thing and their own firewall which was annoying as I used AMP and it goes though ufw

[void void]

[shy eagle]

uwu

[void void]

No other rules

[shy eagle]

[void void]

As I connect via Rancher softether

and

docker has this thing that inputs their own iptable rules or something

[shy eagle]

When I was a kid I would get sweet and sour chicken but not use the sauce and dip them in ketchup like they were chicken tenders

Though no, I love chicken fried rice but would never put ketchup

[molten egret]

uwu

[shy eagle]

Lol kids are dumb xD

[twin lagoon]

fyi ufw will not work properly with docker by default @void void

[molten egret]

ew

docker

[void void]

I had someone help out

[shy eagle]

I was scared to try something new lol

[void void]

with my ufw and iptables configuration

[molten egret]

just run the servers as an application

[void void]

sysadmin age of 34~

[shy eagle]

Love all types of asian foods nowadays tho

[void void]

So I'm sure I'd be fiiiine

LOL

[twin lagoon]

age is irrelevant here

[novel horizon]

O_o

[molten egret]

we talking south asia or east asia?

[novel horizon]

lol

[shy eagle]

I just use an ssh key file lol not sure if that is the safest

[molten egret]

I just use a password and I know it's not the safest

[void void]

Now I'm making borg soon automatically back-up to a hetzner storage box

[novel horizon]

Yeah just use "root" for non root user easy 👀

[shy eagle]

East I guess, at least the americanized version of it

[void void]

so it isn't saved on the same machine

which is also going to make an export of every docker container

[novel horizon]

idk yubikey ew

[void void]

so I can just quickly start everything back up in case I need to wipe or whatev

[twin lagoon]

volumes or containers

[void void]

both

[twin lagoon]

the container is the one thing that should not be backed up

[void void]

I meant asin

not the literal

container

But like the registry of the container

[twin lagoon]

the registry is the one thing that should not be backed up

[void void]

oh?

[molten egret]

just don't back it up hehe

[void void]

Elaborate for education please

[twin lagoon]

you pull docker images from a docker registry

you run containers using a docker image

[void void]

My own yeah

[twin lagoon]

containers are stateless

[void void]

yeah

[twin lagoon]

a container can be defined through docker-compose YML files or command line

[shy eagle]

So containers are anarchist?

[twin lagoon]

a container can be stateful when you attach a volume to it, so you'd back up volumes only

[void void]

Hmh

[molten egret]

stateless hehe

[void void]

I see

Thanks

[molten egret]

wait so my packages don't have a passport?

well the executable is stateless

but there are config files

was abt to deport all apt packages

just run the kernel

[shy eagle]

Is there an easy way to add a global online player list and chat between servers on a proxy? velocity and paper is what I run.

[molten egret]

online player list has a plugin for just the velocity server

[rare python]

Chat is easy. Proxy... it depends, if you just want players to show up, its not that hard, if you want like sorting and stuff, you will need the backend server, or a protocol hack to do it.

[molten egret]

for cross chat I just have 2 instances of discordsrv in the same chat

[potent wedge]

Too many plugins that do that look at velocity forums

[shy eagle]

Hmm I will search that up. 🙂

Haha

[potent wedge]

@molten egret 🥶

[molten egret]

hehe

I click

[novel horizon]

[potent wedge]

[shy eagle]

[potent wedge]

[novel horizon]

wat

[vagrant marlin]

huh

name a russian mc server which uses online mode

none

[shy eagle]

Lol will there be a new Russian edition of minecraft too

Locked down like the Chinese one.

[vagrant marlin]

dont think that there is a need, they pirate it anyways

[potent wedge]

At this rate they will need ut

[novel horizon]

maybe

[shy eagle]

Interesting that you can give yourself bundles with a command but they don't really exist in the game otherwise. Not sure what the point is

[worthy geode]

unfinished feature, mostly

[shy eagle]

https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Bundle
Suppose to let you stack different items together

[knotty iris]

chat monitoring and oppression update 💀

and also minecoins

[novel horizon]

oppression

bro

why do u hate it so much

[molten egret]

ew

[shy eagle]

Ya at least it's limited to bedrock but it does allow small time creators to make money like they can in roblox

I do like how second life handles it, easy to make your own stuff but some people make really good quality stuff that is worth buying.

Always found it funny with meta/facebook pushing the whole metaverse thing even though it has existed for awhile just only weridos are on them xD

[wet storm]

SP5

[shy eagle]

Is it possible to run in offline mode without others being able to spoof ops?

[worthy geode]

the metaverse characters don't even have legs

[twin lagoon]

that's what auth plugins are for

[shy eagle]

Ah interesting, I guess you create your own login system hmm

[rare python]

Don't use offline mode...

[void void]

I'm hurt

[shy eagle]

Haha, I was a furry on secondlife so I am poking fun at myself too. Though it's been a long time since I logged in

[rare python]

Facebook can't be trusted with anything.

If / when I get a VR headset, I ain't gettin anything from oculus.

If that means I am limiting myself, so be it.

[shy eagle]

The HTC one is pretty nice too

[worthy geode]

the quest 2 is pretty unbeatable in terms of price/performance

[waxen panther]

@static badge

[worthy geode]

tracking is great, the screen is decent and its only 300€ or something

[rare python]

I don't care, Facebook suck.

[waxen panther]

🤓

[worthy geode]

well, they are loosing money will selling those

so technically your hurt them if you buy a quest but don't use their ecosystem

[shy eagle]

I am not really sure what they are even trying to do, though I am pretty sure they are failing at it. Everyone I know has just made fun of the VR and blockchain stuff Facebook is trying to do

[potent wedge]

@waxen panther bruh why do you have a name from warrior cats

Oh wrong ping :(

[waxen panther]

not me

that’s our resident furry, spottedleaf

[potent wedge]

@static badge why do you have a name from warrior cats

[shy eagle]

It's like NoSQL but you have to spend money every time you write to it lol

[rare python]

Blockchain has very few legitimate uses.

Currency and Art don't qualify.

[worthy geode]

metaverse is just the new tech buzzword.
VR in general has some potential imo, but tech isn't there yet

[shy eagle]

The currency part so far has just been a pozni scheme.

Maybe someday it could be useful, but have not seen that so far.

[potent wedge]

I think the tech in VR IS there it's just not being utilized

[rare python]

Oh VR absolutely has potential, however big tech companies see a new thing and they want to control said new thing, hence Facebook becoming "Meta", although I ain't calling them that.

[worthy geode]

also movement in VR just always kinda sucks

teleporting around is just immersion breaking, which in something that is all about immersions is a bit of a dealbreaker. smooth movement with a thumbstick is slightly better but its still ehh
treadmill options are very experimental and definitely not something for the average consumer

[rare python]

Yes but they could be, give it like 5 to 10 years.

[potent wedge]

Both don't exist or are in limited capacity for quest 2 :(

[worthy geode]

MSFS in VR is pretty nice when it works. although my poor 1070 does struggle a bit

beat saber is also pretty fun

[shy eagle]

I could see the treadmill thing becoming more popular over time if places like Main Event and other like places start setting them up and letting you pay to play it for a bit

[rare python]

Anyway I need to finish up one of my college assignments... not that I want too, college has felt like an absolute waste of my time.

[potent wedge]

Yes we need more of that kind of thing. Just bring your headset we have PC's treadmills and a place that's bigger than your garage

[worthy geode]

those places exist, but somehow they never really took off

[shy eagle]

Maybe Disney would do one with starwars, that would be so cool

[potent wedge]

How would I find one?

They do that?

[shy eagle]

I have not been to Disney world since I was a kid but I have heard they added lots of new cool stuff. Costs lot though

[potent wedge]

Naw all I saw at one was the crappy beat saber thing that broke every other day, and it's okay-ish

[shy eagle]

When the HTC stuff just cameout I was working at Micro Center and we had one for people to use, everyone loved it. Though that was before covid lol

[worthy geode]

technically you could swap the piece that touches your face. not sure if that is done, never been to one

[shy eagle]

Damn the days before covid, how things have changed ha

[worthy geode]

but that is exchangeable in a lot of headsets

[potent wedge]

That's why I said "bring your own headset*

[worthy geode]

it has pretty different gameplay

with character abilities and stuff

also imo it feels much better, csgo just feels very dated

[shy eagle]

They could also do it without the headset but rather screens surrounding you

Curved screens could work well with that

[worthy geode]

well, Riot is known for taking existing concepts and improving them

before their MMO

but other than that, 🤷

[potent wedge]

Lol

[rare python]

I don't think hytale will ever get anywhere lol

[worthy geode]

Starfield might end up with the same "big but empty" problem as No mans sky at release

[shy eagle]

I loved the Arcane tv series but when I went to go play league, I hated it lol.

[worthy geode]

yeah don't play league

(play dota 😛 )

[shy eagle]

Though am curious about hytale, see where that goes

[rare python]

From what I've seen, Hytale seems to be in development hell, and trying to take on Minecraft... it ain't happening.

[waxen panther]

thinking about playing a moba was your first mistake

[shy eagle]

So far Minecraft and EVE have me busy enough ha

[worthy geode]

Space Excel

[molten egret]

I thought hytale was abandoned?

[shy eagle]

Lol some people it is, if they just sit around and do market orders. So much other pvp and pve stuff to do

starfield, will be fallout 76 but in space xD

[rare python]

Wouldn't surprise me.

[worthy geode]

its not