general

[simple karma]

but yea it should return true if your code is correct

[last talon]

Thanks bro

[magic river]

Wow crypto is going nuts right now

[twin lagoon]

diamond hands

[molten egret]

Who

OwO

My 10$ is now 7&

Can’t type lol

[worthy cliff]

can somsone help me with downloading and isntalling plug in onto my server

[limber knot]

it's finally going down, nice

[limber knot]

time to buy amirte?!?

[magic river]

I guess it's been even worse over the weekend but google's chart won't load

[limber knot]

https://i.moep.tv/gtnZkjqS.png

[magic river]

One exchange has halted all transactions, Binance has halted everything that has to go on the BTC network

[limber knot]

wta

*wat

[vernal moth]

20% the past days

[limber knot]

this isn't even a crash lol

[magic river]

Isn't Binance the one that prints Tethers?

[limber knot]

no, they print their own "stable"coin

don't trust any exchange that does that lol

[vernal moth]

Don't trust any exchange period, lol

[magic river]

It sounds like it's a liquidity crunch, all these exchanges have been claiming to be on the up and up but now that people are getting out they're running in to problems

[worn ember]

Don't

[limber knot]

well, yes. but you kinda need them if you want to trade 👀

[worn ember]

Have you tried not trading?

[magic river]

Literally robbing you but you have to deal with them 😛

[limber knot]

the amount of red is amazing https://i.moep.tv/g0D0QYFi.png

[visual egret]

crypto is meh icl

[magic river]

Not robbing you like investment advisors with fees or whatever, straight up embezzlement

Supposedly Celsius (the one that stopped all trades) isn't robbing you, they just staked your money on the ETH PoS chain

So they're stuck until the transition actually happens in 2027

[pale hinge]

hi guys, 1.19 is stuttering so badly on my pc. i have an AMD 3900x and RTX 2080 with 16gb of ram. i tried both online and single player. the mouse is just stuttering every few seconds. do you know how to fix it? im on win 11

[unkempt jackal]

Are you running vanilla minecraft or a mod loader?

[magic river]

https://modrinth.com/modpack/sop

[unkempt jackal]

Moment

Intentional OS design

[spice ether]

Hahah

[pale hinge]

vanilla, i tried with sodium as well but nothing changed

i have very high fps

but the game is stuttering

[pale hinge]

can i use it along with optifine?

[void void]

pulling the plug out of my computer crashes the game, please help

[magic river]

No, none of this (or sodium which you claim to have tried) works alongside optifine

They're mostly superior alternatives for the grab bag of optimizations that exist in optifine these days as well as a bunch optifine doesn't (afaik) have

[pale hinge]

okay, i hope the next optifine release will fix it, its unplayable

am i the only one experiencing this stuttering on 1.19?

[magic river]

Yep

Did you tell MC it can only use 256MB of RAM or something?

[vestal jasper]

Out of millions it's just u

[lament patio]

Well, client is kinda screwed without mods specially in 1.17+

[limber knot]

why would you use optifine nowadays?!?

[pale hinge]

just for the shaders

[limber knot]

Iris exists

[unkempt jackal]

you can use fabric for that too

Iris

it's compatible for most optifine shaders

[magic river]

Wait your client doesn't work but you've still got shaders on it?

[pale hinge]

oh cool, what about the performance comparing to shaders with optifine?

[pale hinge]

no no, i dont have any shaders with 1.19 yet

[lament patio]

It's better

[magic river]

sodium (which iris is based on) is way better perf than optifine

[pale hinge]

oh nice, i will give it a try now

[pale hinge]

and what about using this with iris?

[magic river]

iris is in there

[pale hinge]

so just installing sop is enough, right?

[magic river]

Yeah

[pale hinge]

❤️

[magic river]

If you're looking for a complete optifine replacement there are more mods you need

And you probably want the fabulously optimized pack instead, I think it has all of those (and more) in it

It's slower though since it has a bunch of stuff to make things pretty, the idea is just that its faster than vanilla still

[unkempt jackal]

yeah, for everything from optifine you'll have to get mods that enable continuous textures and custom entity and item textures

[magic river]

SO is pure speed, FO is speed and then trade some of that speed to make it look good

[pale hinge]

i just need something that runs Complementary Shaders

[unkempt jackal]

Iris handles complementary shaders amazing

[magic river]

If all you care about is shaders that pack should do it

[unkempt jackal]

I love that pack

[pale hinge]

awesome!

[pale hinge]

im on it, im excited 😄

[magic river]

If you want connected textures or random entity models and such you need more things

optifine grew into this weird behemoth

[limber knot]

optifine is a mod pack in one jar 👀

it's also unverifiable, proprietary code so...

[pale hinge]

im tired of waiting for optifine updates for every mc release actually, it usually takes longer than any other mod to be updated

[wet storm]

open source industry sounds like communism

[pale hinge]

its good to know that there are good alternatives

[limber knot]

Denery: only partially seeing as you can freely sell any work someone else made which isn't really compatible with communism lol

[pale hinge]

how to install SOP with the official mc launcher?

[tropic flame]

fortunately i actually found ports of Sodium and IrisShaders for Forge that seem to work

[pale hinge]

i found only instructions for some custom launchers

[tropic flame]

because optifine is pretty much the only other thing going for Forge if you want shaders at all

[pale hinge]

i downloaded a mrpack file

[limber knot]

sonoffoe: afaik you can just copy the files from the multimc download

[tropic flame]

not even talking about optimizations that can break other mods, just literally shaders

[pale hinge]

i dont think i will be using any other mods

i just need to run some shaders with good performance

[magic river]

You need to install fabric and then all the mods in that modpack

I think you'll have to do it all manually if you don't want to use multimc

[tropic flame]

yeah

[pale hinge]

🥲

[tropic flame]

in my case I'm playing with 70 other mods, so i can't just afford to change to Fabric :p

"are you porting to Fabric?

never"

okay then

[unkempt jackal]

some people are stuck in the past

jk no hate on them

[tropic flame]

or maybe they just make their mods as hobby projects and don't have time to learn a new API

... or framework, whatever you want to call it

[unkempt jackal]

yeah

[tropic flame]

so yeah uh, I decided to go for unofficial ports of Sodium instead of using Optifine... i wonder which one is best 😄

Optifine should not break anything if you don't enable stuff in the performance options like fast render and that stuff

those are the hacky shit

[pale hinge]

what do you guys think about Fabulously Optimized vs SOP ?

[molten egret]

I use optifine because it makes the game look smoother

I have a 2070 so I don’t need much of an fps boost

[tropic flame]

I mean, I have a 3060 but having more in-depth graphics options is a nice thing

[twin lagoon]

optifine will still break things even if you don't enable stuff in the perf options

mainly when using resource packs though

[molten egret]

Most forge mods expect optifine

[spice ether]

Who still use forge nowadays

[worn ember]

Anyone who likes standards lol

Gl writing integrations for fabric

[magic river]

fabric is too thin

[unkempt jackal]

That's why you need a quilt

[magic river]

vanilla is building more infrastructure to make it possible to add things to the game without conflicting but forge still has the advantage there

quilt is just fabric but different people run the repo, as far as I've seen

[mental meadow]

fabric but with less hate

[frank otter]

Is Quilt completely new or is it a Fabric fork?

also I just managed to hit 167805ms behind from the internal server when playing singleplayer

[void void]

latter

[little frost]

(for now)

[radiant oriole]

Is this a RIP my auto-updater lol

[glass crag]

what does quilt do differently?

[void void]

someone did a little fucky wucky #paper-contrib

[glass crag]

people say the same about paper 😄

[warm anchor]

lets hope no one use an auto update script

[void void]

I mean, it's just a 1.19 build

[warm anchor]

[void void]

not a huge problem, expect if the updater checks for higher version number

[warm anchor]

You havent updated for a while! You are -380 version out-of-date!

[twin lagoon]

what the fuck

[magic river]

Can't use quilt anymore, it's too weeb? 😄

[void void]

everything seems to have a weeb mascot nowadays

[warm anchor]

that's NOT my doing michael I can tell you that

[warm anchor]

Where is Noah chan?

[twin lagoon]

pretty much

[twin lagoon]

fucking weeb

i've seen worse from you

[mental meadow]

where is tuinity chan when you need her

[twin lagoon]

@static badge thoughts

[void void]

good question

[mental meadow]

how is noah though?

[void void]

doing pretty good

[magic river]

[pale hinge]

after installing SOP, the game still stutters every 5 seconds even if i get 400 fps 😦

[magic river]

Do you only have like 4GB of RAM on your system or something?

[pale hinge]

16gb

i allocated 2gb for the game

and its using only 30%

[warm anchor]

there is spark for client iirc if you rule out it being serve since its stutter?

[mental meadow]

i would once again like to point you to my page: https://auri.gay/

[pale hinge]

i can give it a try

i didnt have any issues with 1.18

its sad

[magic river]

Oh god it plays sound

[formal tusk]

geyser vs cracked server what u recommend for server handling like hardware,anti cheat and optimization

[magic river]

Uh

[mental meadow]

Piracy is not allowed

ez

[unkempt jackal]

paper 1.19 build #382 is gonna be hard skip for me honestly

[pale hinge]

why?

and im curious if theres really no changes at all as it says on the download page

[golden gust]

Theres changes but they should be in #9 too, known issue, waiting for somebody who can clean it up

[pale hinge]

do you think it's in a good state to use it on production now or i should wait more?

i want to upgrade my survival server to 1.19 asap

[jade flax]

I'd wait for a stable build to be released

[pale hinge]

any chance to have any stable release this week?

[coarse venture]

 player sent expired chat: 'homes'. Is the client/server system time unsynchronized?
 player issued server command: /homes
 player was kicked due to keepalive timeout!
 player lost connection: Timed out

This is how I will remember 1.19.0 most likely. 😄

[spice ether]

Looks odd on mobile

Oops sorry forgot turn off ping

[unkempt jackal]

don't wowwy, their code monkeys are working vewy hawd to fix it I'm sure

[pale hinge]

so going to production with the latest 1.19 build is a bad idea?

if its not going to give any permanent damage to chunks etc, then its fine

i can deal with some temp issues

[jade flax]

Then I suggest you go ahead and test it

[golden gust]

it's a 1.19 build

[jade flax]

Make backups

[golden gust]

just the number is borked

[spice ether]

1.19 is no longer experimental but keep backups as always

[pale hinge]

okay perfect

[coarse venture]

The answer is yes, did I just update 2 servers to 1.19? Yes. My schedule won't allow me to do it later this month and I want to have time off in July, so .. rather get it over with and worst case in a few days I roll back to 1.18.2 and wait for august.

[pale hinge]

thanks

[coarse venture]

so far things have been fine during testing, and only bentobox is left. i just temp negated the perms to those worlds.

[spice ether]

Only plugins am waiting for are papertweaks and wandering trader before I can start updating my server

[unkempt jackal]

what is papertweaks?

[spice ether]

Hermitcraft datapacks in plugin form

[limber knot]

vanilla tweaks as a plugin

[unkempt jackal]

why use it in place of the datapacks?

[spice ether]

Plugin is just better for performance less function being called by datapacks

[unkempt jackal]

that's cool

[pale hinge]

guys, there was a web tool to generate viaversion config where we can select specific versions. do you have the url of it? 🙏

[vernal moth]

https://via.krusic22.com/

[pale hinge]

thanks!

[coarse venture]

wandering trader works?

i had no issues testing with it.

[spice ether]

yea doesnt work for me tho

[limber knot]

I really don't get how scaling of custom bitmap font symbols works...

is there any resources on this around? lol

[coarse venture]

Try https://jenkins.jpenilla.xyz/job/WanderingTrades/ maybe?

i see a build from june 8th.

[spice ether]

Oo interesting

[coarse venture]

jenkins was linked on the overview tab of the spigotmc resource page

[molten egret]

Same

[spice ether]

Did not work have same error

[coarse venture]

strange.

time to report to author i guess. glad it works for me, phew.

[molten egret]

Ima be pointing all dead links to that site

[coarse venture]

so far so good

[spice ether]

Alright seems i need to some testing and maybe do a bug report

[radiant fable]

thats actually a pretty decent wandering trader

[molten egret]

lmao

[ripe sphinx]

if you don't test your backups you have no backups

[molten egret]

I just don’t have backups

[ripe sphinx]

I would've thought at the very least M$ would know their shit when it comes to backups though

[spiral robin]

Nice

[ripe sphinx]

One could say I have a few backups https://f.u11.io/3zRlIT https://f.u11.io/gzrQrp

[molten egret]

De wha

Why

[ripe sphinx]

hourly backups going back to november

[molten egret]

How much does this cost?

Doesn’t the server need to shut down when backing up?

[ripe sphinx]

owned hardware, got a 2TB drive in the machine

[twin lagoon]

that is being deduplicated

[ripe sphinx]

daily backups at daily restart, hourly backups while server is live

[twin lagoon]

300TB of backups worth only 1.4TB on the disk

[molten egret]

O

[ripe sphinx]

(and the odd manual backup i.e. right before updates)

[molten egret]

I would have it cut down to once a day after one week

[ripe sphinx]

I haven't gotten around to setting up auto deletion yet™️

[mental meadow]

Need to set that as my default 404

[molten egret]

Mhm just yeet them off your page

[ripe sphinx]

See michaels message, this is deduplicated so only taking up 1.4TB on disk

[gaunt temple]

Hey, sorry if I misunderstood but this message means the main builds of paper is finished, now it’s bug fixes and additional stuff?
#❗ 1.19 message

[ripe sphinx]

(and our machine just has a 2TB HDD as a backup drive)

[twin lagoon]

what if your 2tb hdd fails

[molten egret]

I have 140gb I think

[ripe sphinx]

yeah currently if we were to have a mini SBG-2 we'd be kinda fucked, but given that's the owner's house I think he'd have bigger problems

[molten egret]

Need 4 way raid 1

[magic river]

It means they went from "probably blow up your server" to "might not blow up your server"

You still want to do backups and test first but it's probably safe to run

[ashen cliff]

@twin lagoon bro!

[lilac zephyr]

lmaao

[twin lagoon]

BRO!

[ashen cliff]

BRO!

BRO!

[ripe sphinx]

been meaning to setup borgbase or something, partially because I want personal offsite stuff to, just haven't gotten around to it

[molten egret]

Run it in raid 1

[lilac zephyr]

i can still remember the tweets where people asked how they can enable their disaster recovery plans when OVH tweeted that time to enable your DRPs

[ashen cliff]

MFW 10€ for 40TB.

[twin lagoon]

bandwidth does have a cost

you also want to restore things in a reasonable timeframe sometimes

[molten egret]

Remember when the Ovh burned down

[lilac zephyr]

isnt backblaze pretty cheap

[warm anchor]

Yes one of most value

[molten egret]

I just got a normal virtual disk or whatever

[twin lagoon]

@untold meadow BEST keezezezezezzz

[molten egret]

I got 80 gb

[placid thicket]

Be like me and keep your backups on the server being backed up

[untold meadow]

@twin lagoon BEST moderatorchael :koriSalute:

[molten egret]

It’s extremely unlikely that my provider disk fails

[lilac zephyr]

or burn down...

[molten egret]

I occasionally zip the whole thing and download it

[molten egret]

Dw only their French servers burn

[magic river]

It's a numbers game, the vast majority of Windows and macOS users back up so little it would be cheaper for them to pay the b2 storage costs and that pays for the small number that shove terabytes on there and for development of the app

This is why they don't have a linux client

[lilac zephyr]

time to make a windows proxy for linux

[magic river]

Linux desktop isn't that big of a market, linux desktop users are more likely to backup a ton of stuff, and it would make it easy to use the service for linux servers which they definitely don't want

You can run the client in WINE

[molten egret]

I don’t do anything useful

[magic river]

You have to manually configure what to backup though since it doesn't have any linux-specific smarts for what to ignore

[molten egret]

Just backup /home/*

[magic river]

So it'll back up your gradle cache, docker images, etc even though that's useless

Right don't do that, your $HOME probably has more junk in it than things you actually need/want to backup

[molten egret]

Oh

I just don’t

I’m not important

[red palm]

how many devs work on the paper jar?

[magic river]

To my NAS I'll just backup everything, can't be bothered to figure out a filter, upload time isn't a big deal, and dedupe means that stuff mostly only costs once

[molten egret]

I’m a user that uses a OS as a portal for the web browser

[red palm]

just thinking they smash updates super fast all the time

[magic river]

I wouldn't want to spend 20 hours waiting for it to send my npm and gradle caches to b2 though 😄

[vernal moth]

you can see a list of people that actively/majorly contributed this update in the announcement

[molten egret]

What if we include a crypto miner in the paper jar

[lilac zephyr]

ESEA Anticheat?

[magic river]

(that's a lie I'll totally spend a week fine tuning my filters to save 100GB on a 60TB NAS)

[molten egret]

lol

[void void]

mini will hunt you down

[molten egret]

Are the nas disks redundant?

[molten egret]

Help fund paper with it

[void void]

there's plenty of money on the OC

[magic river]

Goal is 4x16TB, 1 parity so 48TB usable (minus filesystem overhead and etc etc)

[mental meadow]

No one reading my newspost

[twin lagoon]

there's money for atleast 3 herman miller aeron's in the OC

[red palm]

thats dope

[potent wedge]

We money have

[lilac moon]

I use Borg backup

[molten egret]

Run 4 raid 1 drives, literal perfection except if software errors

[magic river]

I don't need it to be bulletproof, this is just bulk storage and on-site backups

You ensure things will survive by also backing up to b2 still

[molten egret]

Oh yeah also put it in a concrete box

[ashen cliff]

Just backup to GDrive and call it a day.

[molten egret]

Can’t have it get shot

[molten egret]

I used to

[ashen cliff]

Use a 10 year old 500GB drive for production storage. 🛌

[molten egret]

That’s what my pc runs as its main drive

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/RN8FzpaL-2022-06-13_19-11-34.png

[unkempt jackal]

oh my gosh that drive has been put through its paces

[ashen cliff]

Nah. I have worse.

[magic river]

The real problem with 48TB of usable storage is it would take 90 hours to read or write all of it because 1gig network 😄

[molten egret]

Get 10 gig

[twin lagoon]

i pulled an nvme ssd from my server because i thought it was broken

[magic river]

So once something goes on there it's basically never coming back off, new NAS would just mean new storage and the old one would stick around until it dies

[twin lagoon]

a nice 31TB in writes in only 1100 hours

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/6njRe8fU-2022-06-13_19-13-12.png

_Do note the temperatures. _

[magic river]

10gig basically requires fiber

[ashen cliff]

Nah. 10Gig RJ45 is cheap.

Just avoid the Intel cards, those are too expensive.

[molten egret]

Yes run fiber everywhere

[magic river]

You can technically do it via copper but it's expensive, runs hot, and the cable is also expensive and finicky

[ashen cliff]

Broadcom ones are very much worth it.

[magic river]

Switches usually only let you have a couple 10gig copper connections due to cooling, afaik

[ashen cliff]

That's why you should use Broadcom ones.

[magic river]

They have to fit in SFP form factor

RAS syndrome right there

[ashen cliff]

Yeah, the converter SFP modules run hot AF.

[magic river]

2.5gig is technically 10gig but with higher tolerances, iirc

[ashen cliff]

Do note, those are not supported in all SFP network cards.
Like, you will legit melt the chip, if you use them.

[magic river]

Or was 2.5gig overclocked 1gig and 5gig is the 10gig-lite one?

I know they were looking at just doing overclocked 1gig, can't remember if they did

[waxen panther]

jroy is typing 🙂

[twin lagoon]

@cunning raft

[molten egret]

@cunning raft

Hehe I pinged mod, I’m scared now

[magic river]

Ah, yeah, 2.5 and 5 are the 10 gig standard (and chipset, etc) but running slower and on 1gig cables

[steady jasper]

Are these flags updated to 1.19? flags.sh

[ashen cliff]

Yeah, but they do have some of the "advance" stuff from 10 gig forced into the specs.

[twin lagoon]

they don't need updating

[magic river]

I'm trying to ensure everything I buy in the future at least does 2.5

[twin lagoon]

they work fine for 1.19

[steady jasper]

Ok cool thanks

[magic river]

They are the 10gig spec so that makes sense

10gig spec at 1/4 signaling rate

[ashen cliff]

Daily reminder that I need firmware upgrades for my switches to support 2.5 and 5Gb.

[magic river]

Like, they use PAM-16 and such

[ashen cliff]

But we can't be having that, because they are totally not running FPGAs.

[magic river]

They wouldn't even need to be an FPGA to do that, afaik

If they support 1gig and 10gig on the same port you'd assume they have enough configuration knobs it should already be possible to set a combination that gets you 2.5gig

[ashen cliff]

A lot of non Cisco switches are just fancy FPGAs.
Like Extreme Network is usually just a Broadcom PCIe bridge with an FPGA running it.

[magic river]

Unless the chip rejects that combination as invalid, that would probably be a firmware thing

[ashen cliff]

I'm 90% sure that the Foundry Networks switches from 2003 could do 2.5Gbps.
Like those were insane.

[brazen token]

Does anyone have any TMS program recommendations?
A SaaS with that offers free FOSS licenses would be ideal (i.e. crowdin's model).

TestLink is good, but it isn't SaaS, and thus, would incur hosting costs.
TestRail is the opposite; it is SaaS, but is expensive, with no FOSS discounts.
TestCollab is decent, but their free plans are a bit too limited and, again, no FOSS discounts.

[magic river]

Transcranial magnetic stimulation?

[brazen token]

Close, Test Management System

Currently we are using testcollab, but we are close to outgrowing its free plan

[ashen cliff]

I assume SonarQube can't do that?

[magic river]

This is for QA folks, not automated testing, I think

[brazen token]

😮

It is ^

Although SonarQube might be worth looking into separately

[magic river]

I have never worked with QA folks

Like, I was either completely isolated from them (I'm assuming a bank had them) or we didn't have them at all

I have no idea what tools they use or what their workflows look like

[brazen token]

ThestLink, TestRail, and TestCollab are the main ones, but none of them have FOSS programs

[magic river]

https://theqalead.com/tools/best-open-source-test-management-tools/

[cedar spade]

Tried to autocomplete something and IntelliJ said no

[warm anchor]

NO

[foggy silo]

No

[warm anchor]

guess no autocomplete for you today.

[vestal jasper]

No

[void void]

No.

[lilac moon]

LMAO

[jagged terrace]

HELLO @shut rose

[lilac moon]

Leafle is a generic type

I see

[jagged terrace]

Whats that supposed to mean

[molten egret]

Mojang said it was to similar to brigadier and sued them

[jagged terrace]

Whats this server for anyway

[true canyon]

Paper

[lilac moon]

Minecraft

[coarse venture]

maybe read the #welcome first

[daring dune]

anyone else getting low tps on paper? :(

[coarse venture]

let me check

nope, 20

[golden gust]

Hai, my server is lagging so that must mean everybody elses is, rite?!

[void void]

Can someone explain the colors of the flag on the logo

Especially the brown one

[golden gust]

pride progress flag

[cedar spade]

This server's about printing, geological features and particle physics

[void void]

Is it for people who like poop

[lilac moon]

println!("Hello world");

Printing

[void void]

it is not.

[brazen token]

Generally, QA teams/tools are only needed for massive codebases with relatively few users.
Almost always, that is for corporate/proprietary software, such as your bank's internal systems.

This is a situation rarely encountered by FOSS projects as they are usually:

• Tiny codebases that can be adequately tested by a few devs
• Massive codebases with enough active contributors to test stuff through alpha and beta programs.

Unfortunately, we are kind of in a weird situation, as we fall into neither category

• Our codebase is massive, but we have <100 users atm
• We therefore need to resort to QA volunteers and TMS systems

Not sure if any TMS vendors account for that
Most of the ones in that article are mostly geared to companies developing proprietary internal software

[molten egret]

Ehhhh sysout?

[golden gust]

I mean, companies generally wanna be able to make cash off of people

[brazen token]

Crowdin's model is pretty good

[golden gust]

supporting OSS is really somewhat kinda niche, especially when looking for tech stacks which really don't care to attract new devs

[molten egret]

I wana make cash

[lilac moon]

no

[golden gust]

crowdin is also generally the #1 platform for that

and make a lot of money off of private projects, because it's #1

So, offering their service to you for free is literally background noice on the work they do

[vestal jasper]

[golden gust]

if every open source software fucked off to another translation services vender, crowdin would lose a LOT of incoming work

same why AWS, Oracle, etc, etc, etc, offer some level of free plans: It's a trap.

[molten egret]

Yes

[brazen token]

Shouldn't TestRail be in a similar situation though?

[vestal jasper]

Get you to use it free, and stick with it for future projects

[golden gust]

Literally never heard of it

[brazen token]

They are the #1 QA platform, and make lots of money off of private projects

[molten egret]

Unless you are me and will use g cloud for 5 months then leave

[brazen token]

Granted, its mostly just corporations making internal software that need a TMS program in the first place

[twin lagoon]

@vestal jasper

[golden gust]

I mean, which is probs the general thing

[molten egret]

JOSH

[vestal jasper]

@twin lagoon uwu

[golden gust]

open source devs/students aren't running around looking for that stuff

[molten egret]

;-;

[brazen token]

Good point... guessing this situation is somewhat rare

[golden gust]

devs aren't generally caring abou onboarding a system used by another department entirely

[twin lagoon]

uwu

[brazen token]

I guess the same can probably be said for any software which only sees enterprise use

They may be an industry leader, but they have no incentive to attract students

[golden gust]

which is generally why the "free" offerings to OSS orgs and students is somewhat a small pool of software

[molten egret]

Ok so what do I have to do to get cat perms?

[void void]

post cat pic

[molten egret]

Oreo

[brazen token]

It's that easy? o.O

[golden gust]

jetbrains wants to be/is #1, and the only way they keep that is by lockin in people early, thus, it makes sense for them

[molten egret]

I didn’t get it yet

[golden gust]

Oracle is tryna get back up there in the ranks, and so they offer a free plan

[brazen token]

Nori

[molten egret]

Ok where is the cat role at?

[golden gust]

AWS is #1, and wants to ensure that they stay there given how easy it would be to upsurpt them

[void void]

now you have to wait for @mental meadow to deem your cat acceptable

[coarse venture]

cat pictures, YES!!

[brazen token]

I guess that makes sense

Although

If AWS/Jetbrains/etc can attract prospective future users by targeting student/foss devs... what would a TMS company target?

[molten egret]

Ok I will await user.catrole()

[brazen token]

FOSS / Devs often become software engineers
What sort of students become quality assurance leads

[magic river]

What was the exchange propped up by printing tethers? I always blank on the name

[true canyon]

Bitfinex or binance?

[brazen token]

Never heard of either of those, but the name itself is enough to sound sketchy

[terse shale]

smh i hate caching

[magic river]

I think it's bitfinex

I thought it was binance earlier but someone said it wasn't

[mental meadow]

cats accepted

[brazen token]

Hurray

[brazen token]

Anyways, I guess this means that, since the primary use case for their product is enterprise users, and thus, since they have no incentive to support FOSS, searching for a FOSS-supportive TMS vendor is a futile endeavour.

There is an open source TMS, but it requires hosting with a decent amount of resources.
I guess there is no sustainable way to do this except for directly eating the cost of a vps 😔

[magic river]

Oh, you were looking for a free service

I probably could have guessed there wouldn't be any based on all the same stuff cat talked about

[brazen token]

The main ones have free trials, but nothing permanent

One has a free plan, but its too limited for a project of our scale

[stuck lava]

omg it's 1.19

[molten egret]

Yes

Yes it is

[brazen token]

I wonder if this is worth a shot

[stuck lava]

but I have have a hot date...

they should delay it

now I gotta choose

[brazen token]

As an enterprise software, the industry leader is usually so expensive that they don't even offer set pricing

[molten egret]

They are not as hot as you imagine them to be

[magic river]

Get a quote usually means "we want to know how big you are before we decide how much to screw you"

[brazen token]

I mean... we can prove we are big

we just can't prove we have any revenue

[stuck lava]

ty this really helped

[brazen token]

We are a name with community-wide recognition, likely able to get hundreds of thousands of downloads once we launch and market ourselves

[magic river]

No no, I mean they want to sell the same product you you for $$$ and to Google for $$$$$$

So they have to figure out how much screwing you can take

Get a quote always means "expensive" though

[spare venture]

big corporations pay so much extra for everything

[brazen token]

I wonder if we can convince them that

• we are worth giving a licence to
• we can't take much expense at all

[twin lagoon]

what's the name

[brazen token]

Stargate

[twin lagoon]

who

[brazen token]

😦

Dinnerbone's first plugin

[twin lagoon]

that does not have community-wide recognition

[stuck lava]

ur probably much better off offering something

[twin lagoon]

lol

[brazen token]

Rip

[stuck lava]

if you can

[twin lagoon]

maybe in 2013

why does a minecraft plugin need something for tests though

[stuck lava]

something like that yea but if they don't have anything to offer...

[spare venture]

the advice of paper general is always the place i go to for business decisions

[brazen token]

definitely xD

[molten egret]

Ah yes take my advice, a 16 year old that barley knows java 6

[stuck lava]

they probably won't accept it just to feel good about it

welcome to capitalism

now think what you can offer

[spare venture]

that’s untrue, many companies support FOSS without any real compensation

[magic river]

Stargate doesn't feel like it should be that big or need that much QA

[brazen token]

Legacy, yes

Rewrite is now big enough to need QA or an active alpha community

[spare venture]

yourkit basically hands anyone who has a github repo a license

oh that’s what this is

[molten egret]

lol

True

[twin lagoon]

what

[stuck lava]

good thing I paid for one... kill me now

[twin lagoon]

it's a goddamn minecraft plugin

Create gates that allow for instant-teleportation between large distances.

how does this need QA software

[molten egret]

QA?

[brazen token]

Look how much could go wrong xD
https://github.com/stargate-rewritten/Stargate-Bukkit/tree/dev

We've already found 100 issues with a basic QA test management plan

[twin lagoon]

it's a fucking teleportation plugin

[ripe sphinx]

1000+ commits for a portal plugin?

[twin lagoon]

how overcomplicated does it have to be

[brazen token]

Surprisingly, very xD

[twin lagoon]

?????????????????????????

[ripe sphinx]

oh they have their own addon loader

[brazen token]

It allows player-interactive and creatable interserver networks with customisable behaviour

[void void]

here's a complain : PLEASE REVERSE THE CONFIG FILE THIGNYYYFBDJSFSDJK

[magic river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-system_effect

[twin lagoon]

i can get an inter-server network portal from a bungeecord/velocity plugin with 200 lines of code

[spare venture]

ohhhh that stargate plugin

i remember that one

[ripe sphinx]

eh gotta add a bit to allow users to setup without commands

[void void]

xkjsdfjhdfshdfshjdjh please undothattttt

[void void]

why?

[golden gust]

No

[void void]

cuz its really complicated for me

[ripe sphinx]

literally all that happened is it got moved

and everything was migrated for you

[spare venture]

might want to spell survival on your readme properly

[brazen token]

crap

[ripe sphinx]

that was a fast dedlete

[void void]

idc its soo complicxated

[twin lagoon]

worldedit is more complicated than stargate and doesn't even have tests

[worn crest]

then learn it its only a config that got split

[brazen token]

lmao

[golden gust]

It's a few extra files

[golden gust]

if modifying more than 1 file is that hard, you probably shouldn't be running a server

[limber knot]

@twin lagoon sounds like a bad plugin then

[brazen token]

This is the sort of thing that user-facing alphas would catch but that can't be caught without QA volunteers xD

[limber knot]

runs

[ripe sphinx]

the main config is in the adeptly named config folder, the world configs have been moved to the world folders

[twin lagoon]

you're not writing mission critical / enterprise software

people won't die if they find a bug

[brazen token]

Worldedit has a large enough community to support QA through an alpha cycle

[void void]

then atleast move every file (spigot,bukkit.yml)

[golden gust]

We plan to once we hard fork

[ripe sphinx]

can't move it yet because compatibility

[limber knot]

also commands, permissions, whitelist, ops, server.properties configs please 👀

[golden gust]

Everythings going to be merged into a singular config system and set of files to tweaking one thing isn't a case of tryna remember who added it

[ripe sphinx]

although theoretically could symlink it :P

[golden gust]

permissions.yml should be deleted

prove me wrong

runs

[ripe sphinx]

yes please

[limber knot]

no it should not lol

[jade flax]

it should

[golden gust]

Nah, there are valid uses for it, shamefully

[ripe sphinx]

I heard someone had configured thousands of permissions in it and then complained LP didn't have a migration from it

[brazen token]

replace it with permissions.json

[limber knot]

it even works now with my change being included since one of the last spigot 1.18.2 builds ;)

[stuck lava]

ppl are still using permissions.yml? what is this? 1.2.5 release?

[golden gust]

I mean, it lets you define custom permissions

[brazen token]

I mean... there was someone complaining in the spigot discord a few days ago that permissions.yml was too complicated

[stuck lava]

meh

[limber knot]

it has valid use cases e.g. changing plugin defaults

[golden gust]

well, yea

[limber knot]

and works if you don't have a complex setup

[golden gust]

perms.yml isn't there for your normie end user

[stuck lava]

+1 reason to remove it

[brazen token]

Definitely... all paper design decisions should be made by random new users on the spigot discord

[golden gust]

Like, it's generally there for people whom have some level of clue what they're doing, at least these days

[brazen token]

That would turn out... "well"

[stuck lava]

xD

[limber knot]

tbh I don't get what's so confusing about the file? it's pretty straight forward imo and even has a wiki page which explains how it works ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stuck lava]

first u would have to teach ppl to read

[brazen token]

You underestimate the ability of the average new spigot discord user to get confused about stuff

There was someone who somehow spent like 15 mins arguing about how eula.txt was confusing and/or unneeded

[limber knot]

hence why it should all be shoved into config/ and hidden from them

[ripe sphinx]

🙃

[stuck lava]

what if they would pack everything in eula.txt? like all config files and stuff?

[limber knot]

just default eula to true and have that check on the download website and a special parameter on the download api ;D

[stuck lava]

would look super clean

[brazen token]

Put the entire config into ops.json

[stuck lava]

yes!

[void void]

why are you a bot

[ripe sphinx]

irc

[void void]

Talking from IRC or something probs

[ripe sphinx]

yup irc

[void void]

k

[lilac moon]

This is the definition of all the github actions stuff I've put on bbaovanc.com

[magic river]

permissions.yml and (sadly) commands.yml should probably not exist, yeah

[lilac moon]

True

[brazen token]

I mean... if we are going that route, there are several other things that probably should not exist

[magic river]

permissions.yml was supposed to be so you could define groups without actual groups and your permission plugin could just be giving people a single virtual permission you had defined in that file

commands.yml was mostly meant to let you override plugin load order for what plugin gets a command, afaik

[ripe sphinx]

I mean the aliases system is pretty powerful

[magic river]

Then we added the simple command positioning stuff to try to make it useful enough to avoid something like CommandHelper or Skript just to have a command with a default argument

[limber knot]

commands.yml is pretty much a must with plugins commands overriding others

[lilac moon]

might as well just rewrite the entire server in rust! :troll:

[brazen token]

someone tried that

[wide chasm]

For every sort of sensible programming language, there exists a non-working server implementation in it

[brazen token]

You say sensible

but someone tried making an implementation in bf

[magic river]

Someone made one in bash

[brazen token]

someone made one in vbs.

[magic river]

bash is crazier than vbs

[brazen token]

I mean, true

[magic river]

And you can't do networking in brainfuck so I don't think that counts 😛

[brazen token]

not true

someone found some way to

[ripe sphinx]

I bet there's probably a way

[brazen token]

it was dumb and hacky

but it worked... kinda

[magic river]

Then again the bash one was doing "networking" via netcat so...

[frank otter]

has anyone done an assembly one yet

[brazen token]

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised

[magic river]

Almost certainly

[frank otter]

someone's made a client clone in bootable x86 assembly

[magic river]

That's not a client, that's a MC-like game

[lilac moon]

I'll have to look at the rust one

[frank otter]

oh yeah true

hey I could probably make that a bootable portable usb

[faint dome]

📄 mc

How many reactions can I get to this message.

[frank otter]

found this, not sure if functional https://github.com/corey-/x86-Minecraft

[lilac moon]

Theres an x86 emulator someone wrote for the open computers mod

[frank otter]

wait so you can run a mc server within modded Minecraft?

[brazen token]

You can run a sketchy MC server within vanilla MC

It all depends on what you consider to be a "server"

[deep flax]

class Claim {
  String owner;
  ArrayList<String> friends;
  class OwnerClaims {
    String name;
    Object center;
    int dimension;
    int radius;
    Object visitor;
    ArrayList<String> trusted;
  }
  ArrayList<OwnerClaims> claims;
}

java question, should i be doing this like this? or is there a better way? mainly the OwnerClaims class, as i need it for the arraylist of claims. is there a simpler way to do this?

[worthy geode]

if thats just a data class, use a record

[brazen token]

Anyways, the original plugin had, over its lifetime, just over a few million users.
Its legacy code quality was... ||I want to be polite||, and needed to be fixed.

At first glance, we thought that fixing it would be simple -- our original rewrite target was a 1.16 release.
After all, it's a teleportation plugin, how complicated can it get?

Turns out, very. SG's system is entirely in-game; survival-facing, dependent, creatable, customisable, and interactable;
it is cross-server, admin-customisable, and expandable. It deeply supports addons, and originally had its own ecosystem.

Eventually, we decided to just go for it -- all original functionalities fully flushed out, design philosophy compliant, and tested.
Eventually, that grew to include direct support from dinnerbone and the original devs of all previous ports and forks in the ecosystem.

It just so happens that doing so required multiple hundred hours, TMS and localisation, 1000+ commits, unit tests, and just under 100 classes.

[magic river]

Stargate was created for hMod, I don't even think Dinnerbone was the one that ported it to Bukkit

If he did that was one of the last things he did with it

[brazen token]

Correct, but we got the direct support from the person that did the port

[worthy geode]

looking at it, the concept seems rather outdated. there are nicer ways to do portals nowadays

[magic river]

So yeah, I suspect it was pretty jank considering it was from 12 years ago and shimmed into a different API 😄

[brazen token]

It still works great for immersion, especially within towny / smp gamemodes

[half escarp]

im wondering, did you guys create the gradle tasks yourself or took help of some plugin

[faint dome]

script.parent.Server = true?

[golden gust]

create the gradle tasks ourselves for what?

[spare venture]

my plugin that basically rewrites a lot of minecraft’s systems has less than your stargate plugin has 🤔

[brazen token]

Every player has their own portal network, can strongly customise it, and can dynamically interact with other players' networks.
Doing so requires no commands, and can be strongly customised server-side to suit an individual instance's character.

Probably not the best for minigame servers or any other servers where transportation is admin-created.
But for player-created, owned, and operated transportation systems, I still think that it has stood the test of time.

[half escarp]

applyPatches task does it belong to smth made for paper or a public gradle plugin

also how do i get the minecraft server code i wanna do some look into a packet class

[golden gust]

that was made for paper in our paperweight plugin

I mean, if you want the patched paper source, use the paper repo and apply the patches as per the readme

paper adds unmodified classes into a folder that the IDE can index

[lilac moon]

I did that with spigot buildtools because I didn't wanna figure out paperweight

[golden gust]

otherwise, theres many dozen tools in the community

[half escarp]

i want the modified ones and the original

[golden gust]

You literally don't need to figure out paperweight

[half escarp]

and full ability to modify like whatever i wish

[golden gust]

You literally just clone the repo and run a gradle script

[lilac moon]

Hmmm ok

[half escarp]

i am but my pc is lagging so much rn

[golden gust]

read the contrib guide

[half escarp]

(not planning to contribute)

[golden gust]

Unless you're going into forge, pretty much nobody has a full working tree

[brazen token]

To be fair, legacy's (the original version's) main class had tens of thousands of lines, and was an absolute nightmare to debug/work with/understand.
As most of the current team had to work with that mess, we've become partial to splitting up classes for readability and maintainability.

Most of our 100+ classes are under 250 lines.

[half escarp]

what folder includes all server jar's code

packets and all

[golden gust]

There is none

[half escarp]

hm i mean after using the script

[golden gust]

We don't decompile fix the entire tree, and so, we leave everything we don't touch in another folder

[half escarp]

so where can i find the PacketPlayOutCommands class

[golden gust]

(That folder is added to the IDE as a generated sources folder)

Paper doesn't use spigot mappings

[half escarp]

and where can i find the class that handles sending commands and tab completions to the client

[golden gust]

use the tool in the pins to find the class name from spigot mappings if you can't find it manually

use your IDEs features

[magic river]

Right, you're digging in to server internals, the time for spoon feeding is over 😄

paperweight is a PITA so explaining that makes sense but if you can't figure out where to go in the server source code for things you probably shouldn't be in there

[half escarp]

building is so heavy my pc isnt handling, too much lag

[magic river]

applying patches on Windows is really slow, yes

[lilac moon]

Alright I will use paperweight in the future, my usecase was I was trying to find some specific logic to settle an argument one time lmao

[half escarp]

anyway which folder contains internals where i can search

[magic river]

If you have Windows and a HDD expect it to take 20 minutes or more

[half escarp]

not just slow its heavy my whole pc is lagging

i only have 12GB of ram

[lilac moon]

Luckily I found it after using build tools though

[half escarp]

how does intellij know who wrote lines of code huh what

what is this new feature

[quasi valley]

git

[worthy geode]

Git

[half escarp]

uh i wanna disable that feature i dont want to know who wrote, i want to write myself lmao

[worthy geode]

wut

[half escarp]

i mean there must be a toggle about showing them, it writes the name of the creator above method names which is annoying

[cedar spade]

ok

[lilac moon]

Git blame moment

[worthy geode]

are you sure you want to get into modifying the server itself if you don't know git.
But there is probably a setting for this specific feature, git inline blame or something

[lilac moon]

Why is blame even enabled by default

[worthy geode]

jetbrains thinking its more often useful than it is annoying

its just a small annotation, and its kinda fun to see who broke what

[lilac moon]

I do too much refactoring to get any use out of it lmao

[brazen token]

Anyways, I guess I may as well give "Get a Quote" an attempt.
Worst thing that can happen is that they ask us for a million dollars a month.

nvm, they have packages

😵

[half escarp]

is Paper-Server user what i am looking for

[frank otter]

git-blame-someone-else

[half escarp]

folder

my pc is lagging i cant check contents

[vague lagoon]

probably

[brazen token]

😵

I guess that basically summarises enterprise software in a nutshell 😔

[wide chasm]

That's quite cheap for enterprise

Well, depends on what it is I suppose

[radiant mantle]

Anyone have good hosting platforms for 5-6gb smp server

[brazen token]

I wonder what the commercial value of crowdin's foss license is

actually, one sec

Actually, not quite as bad as I thought it would be

At least it is not per user

[half escarp]

BRO WHAT

ITS BEEN 10 MINUTES

[lilac moon]

Conflicts?

[golden gust]

no, borked repo state

generally means that the IDE was touched while it was doing stuff and it tried indexing

like, easy option, especially for first apply in a while or after an upstream, is to close the IDE and apply patches

or, at the very least, do not touch the IDE

not a single click

[magic river]

Better option: do it in WSL2

[half escarp]

so 30 more minutes of wait

because i wanted to see if i can see minecraft classes yet

huhhhhh

anyway im dumb can anyone explain how paper works and how it gets server and why it decompiles and compiles spigot and weird stuff

im dumber than understanding it

[golden gust]

Because we have to apply spigots patches

but, we use a much better decompiler

and so we do some magic stuff to get spigot patched and stuff so that we can do magic

beyond that, we all literally just decompile the vanilla server jar and apply patches over the decompiled code

[half escarp]

hm, and this is what takes 30 minutes

decompiling vanilla and spigot applying patches and then spigot patches and then recompiling again

[pulsar tide]

hey, uhmm

why did Paper change where per-world configs are? it's quite hard to navigate atm

[worthy geode]

only takes 30 min on Windows 😄

[half escarp]

i didnt touch ide

i dont think its related

[golden gust]

Because we changed our entire config system towards something which isn't 10 years old and cleaned up the configs

[half escarp]

so what do i do about that

do i clean and rebuild

[golden gust]

seperating the config files for the worlds was a mixture of a technical thing and a cleanup, etc

I mean, git shit the bed

work out why git shit the bed

[worthy geode]

is building on windows even working? it wasn't that issue, but before you wait another 30 min to run into the windows decompiler issue

[golden gust]

no

I mean, decompile, etc, etc, works fine

[half escarp]

how is that all changed

[golden gust]

just the output jar won't run

[half escarp]

but i didnt touch anything

[golden gust]

See

This is why we refuse to support windows

I mean, half assed guess would be tht it shat the bed on the adventure patch, but 🤷‍♂️

[half escarp]

i just want to check some code

and find where the server handles tab complete, and when it sends commands packet, and the packet classes themselves

[golden gust]

I mean

[magic river]

Oh yeah on Windows you need to clone the paper repo into C:\ (or some other root folder)

[golden gust]

then look at the tree as is?

or use yarn?

Or use one of the many other less complex stacks?

[magic river]

And disable anti-virus scanning on the place you clone it

[half escarp]

i need to see some actual code

[golden gust]

I mean

[half escarp]

to find where the server parses the commands into the packet and sends it

[golden gust]

forge literally decompiles and patches the entire tree, as I literally already said

[magic river]

Or, set up WSL2, clone it in there, ???, profit

[worthy geode]

whats the goal here? what do you want to achieve?

[half escarp]

could someone who works alot with servers tell me where to find tab completer handling where i can control the tab completer

server level

[golden gust]

No

[half escarp]

:/ i cant even do it myself

[golden gust]

I mean, for one that question is open ended af

tab completion also happens on the client side

Not to mention, we literally already have events in paper to control that mess

[magic river]

tab completion mostly happens on the client side these days

[half escarp]

some tab completions are still server sided

and client depends on what server says according to previous packet

which is what im looking for

[devout hare]

Is there any way to fix that i can only cure villager 1 time

[golden gust]

tab completion is 100% client sided

only caveat is that the ASK_SERVER completion exists

which, still occurs on the client, just, theres a special handler which asks the server

[magic river]

I feel like this is a bit of an XY problem thing

[golden gust]

s e m a n t i c s

[devout hare]

.

[golden gust]

1. don't spam

2. wrong channel

[magic river]

3. no

[devout hare]

There is

[magic river]

That was a bug, paper fixed it

[slender surge]

I've just gotta say, the drums at the start of "I'm Coming Out" by diana ross fuckin' slap
Just thought I'd share that point

[devout hare]

I guess ill unistall it

[void void]

pretty sure there is a setting for it

[golden gust]

there is a config option for it

[devout hare]

Rly

[void void]

tho, wrong channel

[devout hare]

Omlvwait

[magic river]

I thought that was one you couldn't configure

There are some exploit fixes you can't turn off

[devout hare]

Look paper help

[pulsar tide]

isn't there better ways to achieve this though? Maybe have the config folder with a folder inside called world-paper, and the global settings

having to navigate all these folders is much more complicated

[golden gust]

We had an issue open for weeks trying to discuss it

[worthy geode]

you only really need to navigate into the world folder if you want to have settings for a world that a different from the defaults, I think its fine

[golden gust]

generally, nobody suggested anything and we just decided to put them in the world folder because it's more portable, and world keys aren't allowed in folder/file names so you end up in the same potential nightmare anyways

[spice plinth]

I like the new format it's clean

[pulsar tide]

let me suggest this

or well, nvm

ig the issue is already closed

[magic river]

How do you make a file called paper-minecraft:overworld-settings.yaml?

Literally their first message is a video

I feel like that should be a ban just for being an idiot, even if the video is fine

#gifs-and-memes

[stuck lava]

rip

[warm anchor]

“This week on funnie money being funnie”

[stuck lava]

[twin lagoon]

how are they unsecure

idk google's security seems on point to me

if it's really that sketchy they'll lock your acocunt down good

[worthy geode]

don't they enforce 2Fa nowadays?

[twin lagoon]

that too

[worthy geode]

so you can't "just login" with a password

[twin lagoon]

email should not be your 2fa

it's up to you to set up account security properly

google pushes hard for passwordless / 2fa sign in nowadays

no because they give you a million backup options

email 2fa is insecure

you should not have to rely on the same service you're trying to log into for 2fa

lol

[unkempt jackal]

I just have an app on my phone for 2fa

[twin lagoon]

it is easier to compromise your email than to have an app on your phone for 2fa

[warm anchor]

Get a hardware key

[twin lagoon]

twilio sums it up nicely

The problem with email as a 2FA delivery channel is that the most common first factor, a password, can usually be reset via an email. That means that an attacker only has to compromise one factor, your email inbox, to take over your account. This can happen if they know your email account password or if they have access to a live session (e.g. if you leave your email logged into a shared computer).

that doesn't solve your essential services problem though

email 2fa is not great, use phone authenticators or security keys where possible

your google account seems essential to me if it's your main email and now 2fa delivery channel

so if i was the attacker

i just need to compromise your google account and i'd have access to everything

nice

[spice plinth]

Lmao

I have 3fa for most things 🤣
My hardware key doesn't work for a lot of things but it does work to access my authenticator app 🤣

[unkempt jackal]

aight guys, today in #general we are attempting to compromise the cyber security of the average papermc user

[spice plinth]

Lmao

[twin lagoon]

pixel phones can be used for FIDO auth nowadays aswell which is nice

might be android phones in general

[stuck lava]

why would you need anything at all? if you have nothing to hide u don't even need password...

[spice plinth]

lmao

[unkempt jackal]

you don't even own the products anyways

[stuck lava]

aren't we all?

(ask parents when in doubt)

grounds for class action?

wait no that might be app, idk, depends... intention, damage, etc

tho... for app would be negligence

for website the intention could be less innocent...

yea I hate to dig stuff like that up it would be awesome if I could pull it with one SQL query

[waxen panther]

https://tenor.com/view/explain-plan-theory-crazy-insane-gif-22079506

[magic river]

Ugh, my uncle decided the day it's 102F outside is the perfect day to spend the afternoon baking

[spice plinth]

... what's he baking? (And can I have some?)

[novel horizon]

Well...

[magic river]

Smells like something chocolate

[ripe sphinx]

Well that's good at least

[spice plinth]

You had my curiosity, now you have my attention

[magic river]

Which means I probably won't eat it, he always does like chocolate brownies with chocolate chips, chocolate frosting, and chocolate sprinkles

Too much fucking chocolate

[eager orbit]

i thought discord used a no-sql solution, not certain though

[ripe sphinx]

you monster

[spice plinth]

Send. It. To. Me.

[novel horizon]

All of them?

You won't share? Whaaat

[cedar spade]

Three holes in the ground

Well, well, well

[lilac moon]

I think they do, I don't remember but someone sent me what it was

Some other database

Found it, it's called Cassandra (source: https://discord.com/blog/how-discord-stores-billions-of-messages)

[magic river]

https://www.scylladb.com/

ScyllaDB is API-compatible with both Cassandra and DynamoDB, yet is much faster

C++ vs Java 😄

[lilac moon]

Yeah

[cobalt cave]

upgraded to 1.19

[stuck lava]

console colors are back?

wooowooo

[dapper pumice]

they were gone?

[dapper pumice]

o_O

[lilac moon]

They're always off for me too

But I run them inside docker and maybe it doesn't think the docker virtual terminal supports color

Idk how you'd override that

[stuck lava]

im not using docker tho

[spiral pivot]

Anyone have tips for a new dev trying to get their plugin off the ground?

[true canyon]

Are we talking making a plugin or getting people to use the plugin?

[spiral pivot]

The latter

[cunning raft]

@waxen panther

[waxen panther]

what

[cunning raft]

do you have advise for them

[waxen panther]

dont

[cunning raft]

(as a tickets developer)

[waxen panther]

just pr to big plugins

then you dont have to give users support either

which will take time off your lifespan

[spiral pivot]

I guess that's a route

[cunning raft]

you can go become a famous essentialsx developer

[magic river]

I would say make a thing you think is cool or you needed, put it out there, and if someone wants to use it cool

The only reason to try to get users is if you're selling it or ego

[cunning raft]

(this is what amaranth did when he was inventing bukkit)

[spiral pivot]

That's what I did so far, but it doesn't seem to be growing. I made the plugin for a server I dev for and released it

[magic river]

That's okay, you don't need users, they're a pain 😛

[spiral pivot]

Lol fair

[magic river]

Otherwise I guess look for people asking for help with something where your plugin would solve their problem

But if that's the only help you give then it's really just spam so you'll probably get banned

[spiral pivot]

Good idea. I'll try that out. Thanks!

[daring dune]

I may have found a funny bug

my allay turned into a passive vex lol

[lament patio]

Did you connect with 1.18 and are using via or something

[true canyon]

hugs his little unloved plugin

[stuck lava]

29?

woo

[true canyon]

I bet most are "I'm sure mbaxter made something neat!" followed by ...

Super specific use case plugin that's run-once 😄

(detects cyclical dependency issues in your plugin choices)

[stuck lava]

I see spigotmc still didn't remove my bungee plugin 🤣

they don't remove inactive stuff anymore?

I mean it's still working but didn't really touch it since 2019

good times

[molten egret]

they don't remove things ever lol

[true canyon]

https://giphy.com/gifs/time-mr-bean-look-at-the-QBd2kLB5qDmysEXre9

Some day it will finish this...

(it's literally an updated version of guava, that's it)

[lament patio]

The spigot strategy is to push two updates a day to get your plugin back to the top of the list

[stuck lava]

unless it bugged, intellij would do that sometimes

[stuck lava]

had almost 7k downloads with 6 updates in total

but sure, u can do catchy name, push dumb updates and more

but like... what's the point? or goal?

[true canyon]

Attention

Or, for premium plugins,

https://giphy.com/gifs/spongebob-squarepants-whobob-whatpants-2ZbdsUp7dKNuU

[stuck lava]

I will say tho.. in the past u could sort and filter plugins find some good/working stuff looking at top rated or downloaded plugins

nowadays... it's all garbage

[molten egret]

I just google

[stuck lava]

mostly*

[frosty perch]

what do y'all think
not my ss, gotta be some sort of esp

[molten egret]

google then set the site to spigot

[molten egret]

openSUSe

probs an esp

[frosty perch]

mk

cause i play minecraft on a yearly basis and im not used to seeing esp

[true canyon]

It went backwards

[stuck lava]

LOL

[spice ether]

[stuck lava]

multiple repos?

[molten egret]

an update came out 🤣

[stuck lava]

u no check logs? eh it's better to just wait (and hope) xD

lol

[molten egret]

does minecraft support emojis in chat?

(java)

[golden gust]

some stupidly limited subset

Like, you need a font which actually supports said emoji

[rare flame]

utf-8 welcome to

[lethal field]

Soooo... this might not be new but, why is it that when I try to place the new blocks such as mud_bricks, they turn into bricks? or Stone?

[golden gust]

let me guess, via?

[lethal field]

I removed via, but the proxy has via.... yeah

I'm on 1.19 launcher though

[golden gust]

irrelevant

what server version?

[lethal field]

the server is on 1.19 too, but the proxy is on 1.18.2

[spice ether]

Well there you go

[golden gust]

adding in a version mismatch somewhere is probs what's gonna induce that

[lethal field]

I don't think velocity would be updated at this point yet would it?

[golden gust]

It is