why would you
#general
twin lagoon
coarse venture
I love bluetooth devices that randomly start making alien noises
twin lagoon
fiio 
vernal moth
I am using the fiio q1 rn
But this cable mess is killing me
Especially since that uses micro USB and I don't think a Mirco to C cable exists, so I have to use an otg adapter...
golden gust
good enough
as somebody who used to once in a while use my grandmothers record player, fuck you
vernal moth
I prefer digital to record players any day, lol
golden gust
@twin lagoon look at this damned pleb
twin lagoon
vernal moth
And cat, I use Spotify, so I highly doubt you can notice the difference between ldac bluetooth and a wire
Well, I'll see if I like the fiio btr5
golden gust
Bro, I was just, stuffer upper lipping you ❤️
charred sleet
why is amazon standard delivery no longer a thing
i have to pay 4.99 for premium :/
vernal moth
No prime?
charred sleet
no prime :(
vernal moth
Guess they no longer care about plebs ^^
charred sleet
wow
swear there used t o be a like 1.99 "get this at some point soon-ish™️ option"
vernal moth
Meanwhile I get my stuff tomorrow morning for free
charred sleet
well its not free, just you pay every month for it
twin lagoon
1 premium delivery is an entire month of prime
use amazon more than once a month and prime is worth it
vernal moth
Well, considering this is the de factor family amazon account, it's not break even, lol
charred sleet
fair enough, ill just find an alternative and send it to a locker
vernal moth
use amazon more than once a month and prime is worth it
And that's ignoring prime video
Which is a shit service in general, but free so a nice extra
I will never forgive them paywalling the OV and forcing me to use dubbed shit for some stuff
golden gust
yarr harr fiddildy hee
limber knotBOT
amazon prime pays for itself if you sub at least one streamer on twitch lol
signal harbor
amazon prime pays for itself if you sub at least one streamer on twitch lol
yes
limber knotBOT
although I guess not exactly anymore now that they decreased the sub prices in germany :S
ripe flower
What server software people use on bedrock servers? Like in java servers most popular server software is paper¿ Nukkitx?
twin lagoon
paper
coarse venture
back home, having chocolate bar and iced coffee and a pudding
balcony weather is nice.
vernal moth
What server software people use on bedrock servers? Like in java servers most po...
Paper with geyser
coarse venture
wow
cinder moss
my server don't wiggle wiggle, it folds. (Cause its paper) 😉 lol
wet storm
absolute mad lads, out of their goddamn mind
robust nova
after using the test version paper 1.19 is great, tps is always 20, and spigot after running for a while i feel the server is very laggy and tps is only about 12
I hope the server paper can officially release 1.19 as soon as possible, because I think the server is very good and smooth ✅
daring dune
I get tps issues on paper
signal harbor
soon™️?
i know no eta but its in like final stages right
basically what i am asking
coarse venture
oh you're asking
crystal lilyBOT
ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
coarse venture
that's all there is to it 😄
true canyon
It's closer than at the start. Keep track of #❗ 1.19 for the best info. No ETA means no ETA
coarse venture
Unless unforeseen circumstances, I can guarantee you 'this year', xD
icy fox
Can anyone help me, because idk why but everytime i boot up minecraft, my internet becomes very bad. Just when i open minecraft
coarse venture
Vanilla client, or backdoored hack client with bitcoin miner?
Already when you open the launcher, or when you start the game?
icy fox
Vanilla client, or backdoored hack client with bitcoin miner?
Already when you o...
when i start the game
idk what i did
icy fox
Vanilla client, or backdoored hack client with bitcoin miner?
Already when you o...
i am using a client. but not a backdoor hack client
its also just happening now
and i have used the client for a while so i dont think its because of the client
wait
im not using a client
im jsut using fabric
little frost
maybe the kennytvn™️ eta can be lowered to between 20 minutes and 5 years from now thanks to all the progress
lament patio
but Bedrock servers can be made to work
Which's the usual setup
golden gust
People often use paper and throw geyser in front of it
many of the bedrock specific servers are somewhat incomplete functionality wise, and so people often just rely on the java servers and proxy them as even if it has issues, it's generally much more feature complete
alpine urchin
Where can I learn insides (engine) of Bedrock Minecraft?
I heard its written in C++ but dont know much else
custom engine via C++?
So they basically scratched whole java and remade it in C++ from near 0?
golden gust
I mean, you'd be better off asking in a bedrock community, but, like, afaik it's pretty much down to individual efforts on reverse engineering, etc
but, like, I don't think that the bedrock community cared to get together like the java community did, and game logic is generally hard to reverse (or, at the very least, time consuming af)
alpine urchin
Yep.
potent wedge
custom engine via C++?
I wouldn't say custom engine but it's alot more organized than java (Wich grew organically)
wet storm
Why native languages are so hard to reverse engineer? Just because bytecode instructions are simpler or there are other factors?
frank otter
does java byte code preserve like import names and variable names and stuff because i always see loong import strings whenever I cat a class file
I'm guessing not variable/fn names but yes imports?
golden gust
Because JVM code for examples is designed to be easily parsable by the JVM which then has all the info to do stuff
i.e. they don't generally do overly agressive optimisations at compile which are too hard to reverse
wide chasm
Imports aren't reserved, but you still have stuff like java/util/Class appear in bytecode, otherwise it doesn't know which class you're referring to.
golden gust
the nature of how the JVM is designed, etc, just makes it easier to reverse
if you have debugging symbols, reversing native code isn't too hard if you have experience
vernal moth
Preserving variable names is optional
Method params are even discarded by default iirc
frank otter
when you load like dlls or SOs natively it doesn't preserve the import names, right? whenever I tried to understand dynamic loading all I kept hearing was "relocation symbols"
I'm guessing they're a way of specifying dynamic function addresses or something
golden gust
well, shared libraries are generally designed to be shared
i.e. they explictly have all the info kept in them
Like, libraries have info in them which lets stuff hook them dynamically, otherwise you'd never be able to have a set of shared libraries, etc
But, those debug symbols aid in reversing a lot as they contain a lot of info which can otherwise be stripped from running jars
Not jars, I mean, libraries, apps, etc
frank otter
ah ok that makes sense, ty
oh and just checking for shared libraries they only exist in one place in memory, right? but this place can be accessed as exec by all programs that request it
so the .text section is mapped as exec-only but accessible from any process that asks
golden gust
p. sure that they're loaded for each app individually but don't quote me on that
frank otter
tried to ask the Internet and SO says code sections are tried to map once but data/variables per-process
golden gust
ah
frank otter
twin lagoon
@quasi valley
quasi valley
what's a kenny
twin lagoon
@quasi valley
wet storm
Kneny
quasi valley
how can I help you oh dearest of michaels
frank otter
what tz is kneny in
wet storm
North pole?
coarse venture
my fries and chicken sate just arrived. mmmm.
radiant mantle
So this version of paper is dev right? So should I upgrade rn or do you think it will ruin my current spigot world
golden gust
I mean, these are still early builds, like spigot is offering right now
radiant mantle
Oh ok
So it’s like spigot dev build
But for paper
Cause I got an warning that spigot needs an update too then I saw paper got it
So imma migrate to paper
Do you got any tuts on that?
I don’t want to delete my world
golden gust
generally, just replace the jar
silver nexus
So far so good using the experimental stuff, no complaints from players about bugs and no server crashes.
hourly backups tho
golden gust
brb, going to change that
vernal moth
4k servers use the build right now, if there was something majorly wrong we would have noticed by now
quiet mesa
so many
golden gust
if (username.hashCode % 10 == 0) { throw new Exception("An intewnal ewwow as occuwed uwu"); }
worthy geode
surely all of those 4k servers are test servers /s
vernal moth
They don't need to be test servers
silver nexus
Mine is small SMP with friends
quiet mesa
surely all of those 4k servers are test servers /s
If exists people with autoupdate thing im not sure xd
vernal moth
If you made tests on your test servers and everything is fine, no problem to move to prod tbh
radiant mantle
generally, just replace the jar
Oh so I change my spigot.jar to the paper jar right
vernal moth
Yep
golden gust
yup
vernal moth
Out with the old, in with the new
radiant mantle
Ok no need to change worlds right?
I made backups
Ok
Spigot plug-ins stay for paper right
golden gust
yes
radiant mantle
Perfect
coarse venture
Cause I got an warning that spigot needs an update too then I saw paper got it
yes, servers will always get updates, even for the same version. The warning from spigot is just to get people to rebuild and stay current. So they dont run buggy servers for 12+ months.
moving to paper is thankfully very easy and doesn't come with more than 1- stop server and backup, 2 get latest 1.18.2 (or 1.19) jar from official site, 3 remove spigot jar, put paper jar in that spot, and adjust shell script or however you start your server.
radiant mantle
Is there a setting for paper that allows automatic farms?
Like using coral
silver nexus
i check for a new build a few times a day
radiant mantle
I just check the channel lol
dire trench
Was wondering if anyone knew where villager data is stored. One of my players lost their account in the Microsoft account transfer and I’ve been trying to transfer the villagers cure discount to the new account but I can’t seem to find anything on the internet about it.
worthy geode
like all entities, inside your_world/entities/<region>.mca
Easiest way of editing that is probably the /data command, not modifying the file
coarse venture
ask them how long it took them in total minutes to get the discount the first time around.
dire trench
like all entities, inside your_world/entities/<region>.mca
Easiest way of editi...
Ill have to check the region. There wasn’t anything I saw in data that would really point to a specific player
dire trench
ask them how long it took them in total minutes to get the discount the first ti...
I know they have spent weeks getting their villager hall to the point they had it.
worthy geode
also very well possible that its saved in the player data, I haven't had any villagers since 1.14
but that would be weird
worthy geode
Wiki says there should be ConversionPlayer somewhere
spare venture
villagers bad
void void
hows the 1.19 update looking?
silver nexus
its ok, i dont really like mangrove swamps tbh
void void
yea, no argument there haha
earnest glacier
buggy
worthy geode
vanilla world bad
void void
also will the new paper 1.19 be out by next week? sorry for asking my addiction is feeding on me
crystal lilyBOT
ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
earnest glacier
kaboom
void void
Dang, Gotta start prayin haha
viral hornet
also will the new paper 1.19 be out by next week? sorry for asking my addiction ...
There are already experimental builds on the website :)
void void
Yea ik that but im just waiting till it gets to Apex hosting haha
dire trench
like all entities, inside your_world/entities/<region>.mca
Easiest way of editi...
nothing in this entity file either 
dire trench
vanilla world bad
Okay i figured it out! This is the uuid right here!
Apparently they are converted when stored on villagers
worthy geode
and its saved as a gossip? interesting
void void
any guesses on when 1.19 Paper will be finished?
silver nexus
Legend has it, every time someone asks, it gets pushed back 10 minutes
unkempt drift
What the… since when does discord EMAIL you when you get pinged in a guild
twin lagoon
?kick @void void you've asked for a paper 1.19 eta for the past 4 days
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Kicked XxcunningxX12#5376 (you've asked for a paper 1.19 eta for the past 4 days) [1 total infraction] -- Michael#9600.
unkempt drift
twin lagoon
iirc only for new accounts
vernal moth
You got mail!
unkempt drift
I have an alt there. but it’s not new.
blissful shoal
Literally already exists why do you even like, need to ask anymore
blissful shoal
iirc only for new accounts
it better be else I'm finna deleting this shit app
mental meadow
limber knotBOT
only took them how long? lol
stuck lava
years
limber knotBOT
now if only one could do the same per-server 👀
but I guess their inbuilt multi-account support kinda does that already
mental meadow
I'm pretty sure those emails existed for over a year now
limber knotBOT
pretty sure they had emails since the beginning. but originally you weren't able to enable them again once you unsubscribed via the link in the email xD
and at least the one I got yesterday didn't even include the message, just a "so-and-so mentioned you in a channel" which is just dumb
radiant fable
ive never seen that in discord notifs, i dont see it rn either
i’ve seen emails with the mentioned you in channel before tho
radiant mantle
what command can i type in console to show what server jar im running (to make sure)
stuck lava
./ver
radiant mantle
ty
blissful shoal
interesting, never saw that before and its all on by default tho i never got an email
silver nexus
After 2 months of my friends complaining about my pfp, is this better?
silver nexus
They say its better but im not convinced
vernal moth
uhh, we finally got a trailer for legends
I hope thats not game graphic
it look ssuuuuper weird
but guess the shaders arent done
simple garden
Oh yeah I got java mobile to run smoothly xD
fluid shell
Pojav is insanely laggy
simple garden
It didn't lag for me luckily.
I haven't tried roaming around though so that might be why
limber knotBOT
it really depends on your hardware how smooth it runs
magic river
That trailer makes it clear Mojang really needed to come up with a fantasy name for the overworld
junior ginkgo
When 1.19 Paper (official release)?
crystal lilyBOT
ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
simple garden
Oh I am running it on galaxy zf 3
magic river
Like, nether and end work "okay" as world/realm names but overworld just sounded goofy when the announcer said it in the trailer
spice ether
<https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-legends>
Aha so this why we got caves and cliffs in 3 parts lol
magic river
Meh, as you can see that's not actually made by anyone from Mojang
vernal moth
Aha so this why we got caves and cliffs in 3 parts lol
no?
its a whole different studio, lol
spice ether
I was more joking but I can see that complain coming up
magic river
Probably has some Mojang people sitting in on meetings and such to ensure the design makes sense
vernal moth
jokes like this are really hostile towards the devs
magic river
But that's going to be like one or two non-developers, basically
vernal moth
idk what the structure of mojang is, but I would expect like agnes to be part of such talks
oh shes Minecraft Vanilla Game Director so maybe not
magic river
Back in the day I'd say jeb but he probably delegates at this point? 😛
fluid shell
1.17 - Caves and cliffs Part 1
1.18 - Part 2
1.19 - Part 3
1.20 - Part 4 (probably)
magic river
Before Microsoft just rolled the bedrock team in to Mojang Studios (and before Microsoft even owned Mojang) he was the one coordinating with that team
warm anchor
Any archaeology waiting room here? 
simple garden
uhh, we finally got a trailer for legends
Bro the trailer looked like a clash of clans trailer lol
magic river
I imagine after Microsoft bought them the communication and such between the two groups got more organic
wide chasm
I'm in the waiting room for the fletching table UI
warm anchor
that's a lie. That never existed
river sapphire
github should limit commit message length 🤨
spice ether
I'm in the waiting room for the fletching table UI
Right it's been way to long
wide chasm
It never existed, but they said it would come after 1.14.
warm anchor
github should limit commit message length 🤨
time to fire up that 8k monitor
magic river
I swear those were longer
So maybe it did limit it?
To be clear, they can't limit how big the message is, only how much they display
river sapphire
time to fire up that 8k monitor
i need to get a 65 inch TV to fix this commit in my jenkins and be still visible
warm anchor
worthy geode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JSjZqV-YK8
the ingame footage is such a disappointment at the end lol
magic river
The size limit for most of this stuff is a 64-bit unsigned integer
worthy geode
cinematic makes it look good and then that
river sapphire
breaking github is Mini's bread and butter it seems
novel horizon
lilac moon
#include <stdio.h>
#define e "e"
#define ee int
#define eee main
#define eeee (
#define eeeee )
#define eeeeee {
#define eeeeeee }
#define eeeeeeee for
#define eeeeeeeee ;
#define eeeeeeeeee printf
#define eeeeeeeeeee return
#define eeeeeeeeeeee on_exit
#define eeeeeeeeeeeee [
#define eeeeeeeeeeeeee ]
#define eeeeeeeeeeeeeee 0
ee eee eeee eeeee eeeeee eeeeeeee eeee eeeeeeeee
eeeeeeeee eeeee eeeeee eeeeeeeeee eeee e eeeee
eeeeeeeee eeeeeee eeeeeee ee eeeeeeeeeeee eeee
eeeee eeeeee eeeeeeeeeee e eeeeeeeeeeeee
eeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeee eeeeeee
this is funny
limber knotBOT
yeah the cinematic made it feel really minecraft, the ingame stuff just looks like a random voxel based rts
river sapphire
yet another cash grab ??
river sapphire
dungeons ...
river sapphire
bedrock is purely cash cow for Mojang
lilac moon
```c
#include <stdio.h>
#define e "e"
#define ee int
#define eee main
#define e...
oh god, i tried running just gcc's preprocessor to make it readable but there is way too much junk
river sapphire
a f..... one block map is $7
lilac moon
745 lines
river sapphire
🤦
magic river
To be fair that #include is also a preprocessor thing so you're really just pulling in all the header stuff too
It's not going to be that long if you get rid of that line first
lilac moon
oh true
and probably includes inside stdio if there are any
yep it's much better when i remove stdio.h
# 0 "e.c"
# 0 "<built-in>"
# 0 "<command-line>"
# 1 "/usr/include/stdc-predef.h" 1 3 4
# 0 "<command-line>" 2
# 1 "e.c"
# 18 "e.c"
int main ( ) { for ( ;
; ) { printf ( "e" )
; } } int on_exit (
) { return "e" [
0 ] ; }
thats cool how they did an infinite loop by just doing for ( ; ; )
golden gust
er, wut
warm anchor
sir this is PaperMC not google
golden gust
I mean
spiral robin
upbeat falconBOT
spice ether
Lol just install a theme like you normally would install a extension
golden gust
you didn't even calarify on what you was asking for first
royal glade
i'm sorry plz forgive me
spiral robin
vernal moth
thats a good one, bookmarking
lilac moon
wtf
vernal moth
mental meadow
sleek tree
.eta
limber knotBOT
There is no ETA (Estimated Time of Arrival)! Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.
warm anchor
you get DMs from your server kids? 
time for a ticket plugin to take support tickets instead of using your personal DMs
rocky carbon
why does everyone keep asking that lol
i been here for almost a week and seen like 1000 ppl ask that from the bot
warm anchor
This guild is big so even a small % of people asking will flood the chat (we do kick offender who ask multiples times though)
rocky carbon
gotcha
sleek tree
you get DMs from your server kids? <:phossure:721385991721451611>
It was in general 
wicked tartan
molten egret
I love the thrill of reloading my server
molten egret
you get DMs from your server kids? <:phossure:721385991721451611>
bro thier fucking insane, I tell them and they don't stop asking
warm anchor
You should be using a ticket plugin to accept such reports
molten egret
ehhh
warm gyro
umm
molten egret
it's really one person in particular
warm anchor
And have a rule in place to not directly DM or ping staff members for those type of questions
warm anchor
If it’s just one person you can just kick them. 
warm anchor
That’s not how you practice retention though lol
molten egret
top out at 5 people a day
warm gyro
any updates when the stable version coming out?
crystal lilyBOT
ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
warm gyro
ic ic
molten egret
That’s not how you practice retention though lol
whats retention btw
warm anchor
It’s a metric used to measure the ability for your community to keep the player from leaving
molten egret
Retention is directly proportional to the number of people online when they join
warm anchor
Say you get 10 new players this week and 5 of them stayed and 5 no longer joins next week, that’s a 50% retention rate you have
spare venture
if you think it's directly correlated, then spoof your numbers
molten egret
if you think it's directly correlated, then spoof your numbers
Ehhh
spare venture
i'm sure you'll see a huge jump in retention
molten egret
They like interaction
It’s not completely about the count
Also people that come alone at first often stay longer
spare venture
if you know what the issues are, fix them?
molten egret
if you know what the issues are, fix them?
Ehhh it’s that my server is too average
spare venture
ahh
molten egret
I’m tryna get features that almost no other servers have
worthy geode
spoofing with just 10 players is kinda obvious tho
spare venture
gotta be creative then
molten egret
Like just now 2 people joined
No one else was online so they left
See even an afk player gives people some hope so I may afk on the server
knotty oasis
molten egret
but why not work on making your server more fun and unique?
Yeah I am
molten egret
past 20 minutes I'd consider it fucked
It’s gunna add a block to the bitcoin chain then finish booting
It’s a slow process
worthy geode
time to boot into the recovery, hoping its still there
wicked tartan
ong
coarse latch
What do you think is better? BotSenty or nAntiBot?
I'm just thinking about using FlameCord + nAntiBot/BotSenty and can't decide what to use, I also use TCPShield
wet storm
cool beans
https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/about-legends
I feel like microsoft wants to drop java edition as a legacy and hard to support product by replacing it with minecraft "franchise" games and bedrock edition...
stuck lava
why?
golden gust
The java team has literally been expanding year on year...
stuck lava
I can't find it now but I remember msg in launcher saying I get to own the other version of MC now for free
when I only bought Java version, years ago
golden gust
Yea, just as they did for bedrock for years
if you have java edition you got a free key for bedrock
golden gust
their cross platform thing
it's registered on your MS account
idk how it transfers to consoles, but 🤷♂️
wet storm
I mean, I doubt many java devs wanna deal with a game development field and many game developers wanna deal with java, that's why I think it is kinda hard to support
golden gust
They literally developed one of the largest java game dev communities in existence
they literally have people who wanna grow up to work for them
stuck lava
wait so I can play java servers with bedrock now?
stuck lava
ah, now I get it
wet storm
may I ask wtf is https://auri.gay/Paper_Chan_Project_Pack_V2.zip
void void
golden gust
like, they're two seperate versions in a sense, but, ofc, the community wanted to rely on the fact that java servers are actually feature complete vs bedrock
coarse venture
rofl
golden gust
like, all that exists for bedrock is the native server software that they've got, or stuff like nukkit which are incomplete
vs the java ecosystem which, like, you know, we literally all just modify the jar that mojang ships
mental meadow
may I ask wtf is https://auri.gay/Paper_Chan_Project_Pack_V2.zip
My website
wet storm
will modification of bedrock dedicated server count as a war crime? But... I heard that it is hella incomplete and even has memory leaks
stuck lava
makes me wonder why ms even bothered with bedrock now lol
spare venture
console and mobile ecosystems
wet storm
My website
okay, then, V3 pack wen? /s
manic orbit
Approximately when will paper 1.19 come out?
stuck lava
yes it will
crystal lilyBOT
ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!
mental meadow
okay, then, V3 pack wen? /s
Have you seen the start site though
brazen bough
papermc 1.19 isn't out yet right?
wet storm
no, it is "oopsie woopsie!" for now and has a cool music and a cool weeb video
wet storm
Have you seen the start site though
.
true canyon
papermc 1.19 isn't out yet right?
See #❗ 1.19
spiral robin
@true canyon 
true canyon
<@71627708521512960> <:PES_CowboyLove:672161497480298526>
🥺
brazen bough
See <#979403214610890792>
I got confused I couldn't figure out if those were for developers and not the full release
faint canopy
See <#979403214610890792>
i wish i could import the dev builds to my server host
void void
what kind of host doesn't let you upload your own server jar
faint canopy
what kind of host doesn't let you upload your own server jar
ahem, aternos, it also doesnt have ftp file access
void void
i hope there will be a stable paper version of 1.19 in less than a week from now
mental meadow
You get what you pay for lol
faint canopy
You get what you pay for lol
wdym?
mental meadow
Well how much do you pay for your server hosting
faint canopy
Well how much do you pay for your server hosting
0
mental meadow
Exactly
faint canopy
mental meadow
That's the joke
faint canopy
Exactly
i may switch to server miner soon
or i may buy my own server at my house and download a paper server on it like all the cool kids 😎
mental meadow
I would highly advise against running a server at home
faint canopy
I would highly advise against running a server at home
its not secure to do ik, it may be better to buy servers located somewhere else
midnight copper
I would highly advise against running a server at home
depends on a lot
mental meadow
Not really
midnight copper
if it’s for a discord server or small friend group, hosting a server on your windows pc is usually just far more practical
tho if it’s meant to be public then yeah you should pay for hosting
mental meadow
Ok, what i meant is hosting a public server
faint canopy
tho if it’s meant to be public then yeah you should pay for hosting
or just buy a server
like a dedicated physical server, not at ur home
worthy geode
buying those rarely makes sense
renting does make sense, but buying actual hardware is most of the time not worth it
magic river
lol Cubs are so far behind and so out of pitchers against the Yankees they put their first baseman in there
mental meadow
Especially server grade hardware
magic river
He is throwing 35mph pitches that look like they barely get over the mound
mental meadow
Wtf are you talking about lol
magic river
On the other hand those are a harder to get distance from
mental meadow
I was so confused for a second
faint canopy
any arch users?
midnight copper
i do not believe in linux
golden gust
hello random new person who totally knows what people discuss in our off topic channel
magic river
You don't have to ask for arch users, they'll tell you if they're here 😛
midnight copper
hello random new person who totally knows what people discuss in our off topic c...
i was mostly just referring to the sort of “nerd” audiences who run game servers are not known for knowing anything about sports
mental meadow
You see, everyone who programs or has a Minecraft server is a nerd that sits around all day and does nothing
pastel bluff
What do you think is better? BotSenty or nAntiBot?
I'm just thinking about using...
You don't need those with tcpshield
midnight copper
ive not seen a linux skin that i find actually appealing and while I could skin it to look like 10 or 8.1, if its gonna look like windows i might as well just use windows
faint canopy
> You see, everyone who programs or has a Minecraft server is a nerd that sits a...
they need to touch grass
faint canopy
ive not seen a linux skin that i find actually appealing and while I could skin ...
free urself
worthy geode
I only touch grass if it has connected textures
faint canopy
I only touch grass if it has connected textures
optifine user
midnight copper
I only touch grass if it has connected textures
faint canopy
or continuity
magic river
optifine user
You take that back
faint canopy
or connected textures mod
faint canopy
You take that back
why?
midnight copper
i dont use optifine but i have no reason why i dont 
magic river
Calling someone an optifine user is like calling them a windows server user
faint canopy
Calling someone an optifine user is like calling them a windows server user
lmfao
mental meadow
Hey amaranth
faint canopy
sodium and other mods user
mental meadow
Windows Server user
midnight copper
using windows as a server 👍
using windows server 👎
mental meadow
I'm very tempted
midnight copper
speaking of server stuff
i avoid docker at all costs not for practicality but for principle
it was created to solve a problem that shouldn’t have existed
worthy geode
why? it has a cute whale logo
dapper pumice
I was using Windows 2000 server and 2003 as my main OS
...just gaming was a horror on 2000
magic river
Using windows as a server is worse than using windows server
At least windows server is sold as being for server use so you're just misinformed
void void
Docker to me is godsent, together with like a web-UI such as rancher
void void
if software packages handled versioning properly we wouldn’t need docker
we would...?
worthy geode
everything is 1.0-SNAPSHOT
magic river
Do you understand the testing matrix you'd need to handle that?
void void
I use docker for easy automatization and auto-scaling of applications
placid thicket
correct me if i am wrong. is b#6 stable? or just not red for some reason?
mental meadow
At least windows server is sold as being for server use so you're just misinform...
I mean i already got that from all the other comments
worthy geode
correct me if i am wrong. is b#6 stable? or just not red for some reason?
only updated paperweight, I doubt that made it more stable than the builds before. probably just missing the red
mental meadow
correct me if i am wrong. is b#6 stable? or just not red for some reason?
That seems like a mistake
midnight copper
I use docker for easy automatization and auto-scaling of applications
that’s fine but other tools offer similar functionality
a lot of stuff though recommends docker just bc it can be a pain to make sure you have the right version of each dependency
but that is Stupid because that would never be a problem in the first place if everything properly supported having multiple versions installed
“why the hell would I want a whole ass sandbox just to use some basic personal open source software that isn’t even made for large scale deployment”
mental meadow
There are other very good reasons for containerization besides dependencies
golden gust
writing support for every version of everything is generaly just a PITA
midnight copper
I suppose that varies on what you do with your pc but for the stuff ive seen its never been relevant
golden gust
Theres always gonna be somebody who has some stupid ass version of a library installed
vagrant terrace
Is this one stable?
mental meadow
Who uses docker on pc
midnight copper
Theres always gonna be somebody who has some stupid ass version of a library ins...
which is why you target a specific version and use that version. stuff like python handle that perfectly fine.
mental meadow
Is this one stable?
No, probably a error
midnight copper
python3
u do know you can have as many python versions installed as you want and individually call them right
golden gust
You also literally can't just target a specific version of a library when debian is shipping one version, ubuntu another, and arch ships another
Which is literally just a mitigation for the issue and a shitty workaround
not an actual solution for anything which causes as many stupid issues as it solves
midnight copper
Who uses docker on pc
loads of people apparently
magic river
- Supporting multiple versions of a library installed while also allowing something to use "latest" or "latest 1.2" is hard to impossible in C and C++
- The testing matrix for all the different version combinations of your dependencies is impossible to cover
- Containers are also used for sandboxing
- Containers can ensure global configuration changes doesn't mess with your setup
midnight copper
1) Supporting multiple versions of a library installed while also allowing somet...
yes but these are all problems that shouldn’t be problems to begin with
and i disagree with docker on principle of being a bandaid fix
tho sandboxing is legit, its usually not necessary for shit youre just running in your own home
golden gust
How do you deal with multiple different versions of a library?
mental meadow
Docker is not really designed for end users is it? Why do i care about what people are running at home
midnight copper
I don’t have any programming experience but doesn’t python handle that?
I know most other stuff doesn’t though
midnight copper
Docker is not really designed for end users is it? Why do i care about what peop...
i dont think its stupid that it exists i think its stupid for the things ive seen it used for
vernal moth
If anyone is bored, this is a fantastic talk I just consumed
It's also completely cursed
golden gust
python literally doesn't handle that
magic river
Oh yeah I saw that one
Python handles multiple versions by doing what docker does, basically 😄
Multiple "virtual" installs
golden gust
- Literally every distro in existence compiles stuff on their own infra so that they can purely ensure that stuff is compatible with their environment
magic river
Just python specific and no sandboxing
golden gust
- the python env stuff is literally just the exact same concept is docker uses: bundle literally everything you need into individual environments
umbral loom
W
golden gust
that saying, there are less admin oriented stuff out there, i.e. snap
void void
general spam incoming
jaunty blaze
W
crimson scarab
bruh paperMC also turned into one of those companies that pretend to give a shit about lgbtq
merry talon
?????
magic river
You should always make back up and test before putting it live
golden gust
We literally have LGBT people on our team...
merry talon
literally half the paper team
vernal moth
bruh paperMC also turned into one of those companies that pretend to give a shit...
We aren't a company and we genuinely care
fickle rain
nice job yall re 1.19
neat flax
Crazy all the like spike
foggy elbow
1.19 was really fast to be released ! Thanks for this massive work
placid thicket
ok, 7 is also marked as "stable" now that another announcement went out really feel like thats important to get clarified
mental meadow
bruh paperMC also turned into one of those companies that pretend to give a shit...
A lot of people in our team are queer be a clown somewhere else
void void
A lot of people in our team are queer be a clown somewhere else
I was so happy when I found out we share a name
Someone once told me like 6 months ago
golden gust
wait, so
void void
Wait it’s finished? 😃
golden gust
Aurora is Aurora #4 ?
void void
I guess so
twin lagoon
Wait it’s finished? 😃
you can finally stop asking 4 days in a row
warm anchor
void void
I'm also in the same boat as the Aurora community manager
void void
you can finally stop asking 4 days in a row
Yea sorry about that haha, Addiction amr 😂
dusty ivy
NICELY DONE DEVS!
golden gust
Need I remind whom Aurora #1 is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmVAmlpbnD4
void void
GREAT JOB DEVS!! TYSM!!!
mental meadow
Kenny took the only joy i have in my life from me sadge
void void
Need I remind whom Aurora #1 is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmVAmlpbnD4
The singer
manic vapor
Kenny took the only joy i have in my life from me sadge
LOL
dusty ivy
You completed it faster than me on my computer science exam
placid thicket
so yes? actually is stable? or still probably an error?
void void
I once saw this machine: https://i.gyazo.com/c3549b30ff47f4a681810275d1e5be28.jpg
Great name of the company if I say so
dusty ivy
so yes? actually is stable? or still probably an error?
maybe stable
void void
no synced role title 
mental meadow
Read the announcement
golden gust
clearly not me
frank otter
oh sheesh it's in a publishable state? my god that was fast major kudos to the dev team
golden gust
bro
meager tusk
Bro.
pastel reef
My friend is able to get tons of enchanted books by reeling in the fishing bobber at a specific time of day every Minecraft day, It needs to be precise by the second, is anyone aware of this bizarre and OP bug?
molten egret
damn the new update is half danish half Swedish and trans
twin lagoon
what
worthy geode
My friend is able to get tons of enchanted books by reeling in the fishing bobbe...
do you have any plugins installed? that seems to weird to be caused by vanilla
coarse venture
❤️
Nice job to all involved in making 1.19 happen on the paper side of things, I am sure a lot of us appreciate the time and effort put into it.
pastel reef
do you have any plugins installed? that seems to weird to be caused by vanilla
Geyser, Floodgate and a plugin that nerfs villagers.
void void
look at the reactions
on today's episode of "context matters"
pastel reef
He told me that he grabbed the bug off the legacy console edition of Minecraft and it just so happened to work on Java 1.18.2.
molten egret
on today's episode of "context matters"
lmfao
frank otter
wait does this mean no more Kenny streams
because the majority of development is done?
mental meadow
Kenny streams from time to time
true canyon
There's always the other cam we put behind kenny
void void
minecraft 2.0 already exists ;)
potent spire
thank you paper team for the update
vernal moth
Versions aren't numbers
winter granite
so is this the offical build?
void void
Two kashikes? 🤨
yeah, kashike seems to have cloned himself
vernal moth
Who says that Minecraft uses semantic versioning?
foggy silo
am confuzzled
frank otter
where's the second kashike?
potent spire
Mojang does different versioning (which actually makes sense)
Semantic versioning makes sense but so does mojangs
grand nebula
golden gust
1.<major>.<minor>
void void
am confuzzled
maybe as some sort of backup account? no clue
golden gust
runs
foggy silo
🌀
mental meadow
To support paper's discord server
We get all the benefits anyway since we are verified, no need to boost us, donate your money to us instead of discord
manic vapor
ay clone spell
foggy silo
aurora are you allowed to tell us why there are two kashikes?
potent spire
We get all the benefits anyway since we are verified, no need to boost us, donat...
yeah that makes sense
mental meadow
Huh, are they ready?
When I wrote the news that was correct^^
foggy silo
Ah, makes sense.
potent spire
Discord partnership is hell, verification sounds much easier
I guess partnership is more about the person running the server and verification is about the server
mental meadow
Will edit it tomorrow if no one else changes it in the meantime
potent spire
1 unread ping
vernal moth
Nah Google said I had 10 min left
void void
oh wait there _are_ two kashikes what
vernal moth
Not that I would trust that
foggy silo
https://tenor.com/view/swag-ahs-madison-montgomery-im-back-smile-gif-4910666
🤨
Sus activity
Unauthorized cloning
void void
Cloning humans is considered unethical kashike ^
mental meadow
Well i mean didn't you wonder where all our funds are going?
foggy silo
😳
golden gust
foggy veldt
Minidigger what is your favorite project that you've ever worked on (if the answer is paper something besides paper)
little frost
is it unethical if it's yourself
mental meadow
More kashike = more good
void void
Unauthorized cloning
separation of personal vs minecraft, so some days I can just close minecraft discord account and be stress-free
foggy silo
Ah, makes sense. I think it's important to separate those things. 🙂
vernal moth
Minidigger what is your favorite project that you've ever worked on (if the answ...
Thars impossible to say
foggy silo
Especially with all that you have here, haha.
simple garden
Is the build that was posted the full build?
vernal moth
that's easy to say
That might be one of the projects I sank the most time into ^^
mental meadow
We only offer full builds, i don't understand the question
void void
nice gpl you got there not bukkit, nvm
vernal moth
Fuck that was over a decade ago
mental meadow
We don't cut a build in half
simple garden
We only offer full builds, i don't understand the question
As in is it the dev build
spiral robin
@cedar spade
simple garden
Like how there was experimental builds
void void
love the ascii art
vernal moth
It's not in the experimental channel
vernal moth
love the ascii art
That's what you get for low res screens
simple garden
Bruh the experimental builds are in the same 1.19 channel that the build i am asking about is in lol
void void
red is experimental, blue is not
vernal moth
I spend so much time on that UI and people still don't understand :/
You can even hover it!
cedar spade
@spiral robin do you ever get squish?
vernal moth
Yall get squish over a simple question lol
Well, imagine how many simple questions I answered today
spiral robin
<@271510274475819008> do you ever get squish?
who
simple garden
I don't imagine cause I don't sit on here and stalk you so I can't answer that question lol
cloud sluice
Stupid question. The initial builds of active dev of 1.19 are they the start of the stable builds?
vernal moth
See codex ^ 😂
simple garden
I understand you probably get a lot of questions and you probably get annoyed with a lot but I wasn't asking to bother anyone. I was just genuinely querious
mental meadow
There is no such thing as stable builds
They are not marked as experimental anymore
simple garden
Lol OK I will just stop asking since you have an issue with questions haha
vernal moth
Well, I got a giant headache cause I spend all day in the sun, so that isn't helping
vernal moth
I don't have an issue with questions and I gladly answer them, but you just have to understand that my tone something is a bit annoyed
simple garden
👍
snow anvil
yoooo :O paper 1.19
thorn violet
golden gust
Hey, mini, mini, mini
earnest glacier
minecraft 1.50 when
wet storm
https://imgur.com/ij95uWn
send a furry pic here pls, seagulls are boring
earnest glacier
yo anyone got cracked minecraft 2.0.0
wet storm
yo anyone got cracked minecraft 2.0.0
yeah, I have a .bat one, wanna get it?
wet storm
yeah, I have a .bat one, wanna get it?
it is basically a script for windows cracking mc 2.0.0, not a copypastable .bat virus for noobs 100% ngl /s
void void
so now the latest 1.19 builds are stable enough to run on production?
golden gust
Please read the annoucenement post
warm anchor
autumn spear
unkempt jackal
they should make uppercase numbers
unkempt jackal
it would be so useful
meager tusk
That's how we get new unicode
They added cyrillic, at this point add everything.
meager tusk
Nobody important.
@ashen cliff Thoughts?
He's probably asleep.
Average Slovene sleeps at 11:00 PM sharp.
keen talon
hello I would like to talk to an administrator of this server there are errors with puglin with my server because the server is automatically updated to 1.19 and puglin have errors.
golden gust
golden gust
We don't do 1:1 support
brazen bough
or is there gonna be a new updated one soon
rare python
So is 1.19 stable now?
spare venture
define stable
keen talon
I don't want to endure I want to know what error it is to know what error it is
rare python
Is it stable enough that it's not gonna be constantly breaking
spare venture
define breaking
rare python
Stable enough to run in production
twin lagoon
I don't want to endure I want to know what error it is to know what error it is
please share how you think that we know what error it is without sending the error
spare venture
the update released like 5 days ago
earnest glacier
i use fabric but idk how stable paper is rn
spare venture
if you’re concerned about issues arising from using a version that just came out, wait till 1.19.1
rare python
I mean I have backups so... trial by fire lets gooo
earnest glacier
we don't support puglins
rare python
puglins
lol
ornate dirge
i need to apologize to the purpur people but i think i've been banned on a missclick
twin lagoon
ok
ornate dirge
and i think someone could be here
worthy geode
🤔
ornate dirge
yes
worthy geode
pretty sure Billy did not "misclick" that
ornate dirge
was a joke and might been a bad one
spare venture
this isn’t the place to discuss this
twin lagoon
ornate dirge
yes im sorry. is late, will try to figure out a place for this tomorrow
daring laurel
does phosphor do the same thing as lithium for fabric?
worthy geode
Phosphor is a light engine rewrite, like starlight. lithium is general optimisation, physics, mob AI, etc
daring laurel
sorey I meant is phosphor the same thing as starlight
daring laurel
got the words mixed up
worthy geode
Same but slower
twin lagoon
sorey I meant is phosphor the same thing as starlight
starlight implements a light engine from the ground up
phosphor just aims to improve parts of it
waxen panther
@twin lagoon 🤓
twin lagoon
@waxen panther
waxen panther
@cunning raft discussed internally that I'm a dumbass
sharp spindle
@void void do you dual boot with windows and a linux distro
or is that how you plan on doing it
i'm trying to figure out the best option for me currently
molten egret
<@456226577798135808> do you dual boot with windows and a linux distro
I "dual boot" with ubuntu and windows
I really don't use windows ever
sharp spindle
I "dual boot" with ubuntu and windows
does ubuntu do you justice
as in like
is it good
molten egret
also ubuntu for desktop is kinda trash
sharp spindle
oh
molten egret
I've heard is arch is the way to go
waxen panther
i use linux for work/dev and windows for g*ming
void void
holy shit it's \💠\💠\💠\💠\💠\💠 broccoli
waxen panther
HOLY SHIT ITS BLUE EMILY
void void
YES
waxen panther
molten egret
HOLY SHIT IT'S THE FUCKING AXOLOTL THAT NO ONE CARES ABOUT
molten egret
yes
lilac moon
broccoli
woven ether
This may be a shot in the dark- but could anyone help me break down a timings report? I see my save-all is taking up a lot of errors it seems but I'm not quite sure
waxen panther
#paper-help will help you
woven ether
ty 🙂
twin lagoon
@void void
sharp spindle
well my specs are: 32gb ram, i7 1260P, and a 1tb ssd with integrated graphics (intel btw, with evo or whatever)
it's new so i wouldnt lose any data
i plan on running docker containers, possible VMs, possible services (web wise), jetbrains products and any other programming tools i hunt down
i have windows 11 currently 
twin lagoon
just use arch linux
void void
honestly yea
twin lagoon
it's the easiest distro out there if you have some what of a functioning brain
molten egret
I don't got one
void void
lol
molten egret
I ran a server for 4 months with no firewall
waxen panther
if you're incapable of reading a wiki use mint
sharp spindle
i can use a wiki yeah definitely xd
i assume their wiki also explains dual booting
waxen panther
it does yeah
sharp spindle
W
molten egret
I think they all install grub which works great for dual booting
void void
yeah the arch wiki has everything
sharp spindle
arch based linux
waxen panther
arch even has a pyth*n installer now so you dont have to go through the rite of passage everyone else did
molten egret
arch even has a pyth*n installer now so you dont have to go through the rite of ...
wdym
waxen panther
what do i mean by what
twin lagoon
the archinstall scripts are bussin though
molten egret
sudo apt-get install python3?
waxen panther
what no they bundle an installer written in python now
molten egret
what no they bundle an installer written in python now
oh
waxen panther
it does everything for you
molten egret
gui or Aui(ASCII user interface)?
molten egret
is it like the ubuntu one?
twin lagoon
no
warm anchor
damn brocco is extra kawaii today @waxen panther
waxen panther
twin lagoon
weebs
unkempt drift
we need to ban broc
lilac moon
it's the easiest distro out there if you have some what of a functioning brain
i hate how hugo is out of date on arch 90% of the time though
molten egret
we need to ban broc
that staff roll does seem that it could do somthing
vestal jasper
holy shit it's @twin lagoon uwu
twin lagoon
uwu
molten egret
uwu
vestal jasper
who's the candidate tho
lilac moon
civic herald
Typo?
warm anchor
no thats dead pixel on your monitor 
molten egret
never admit a typo, change the end link
waxen panther
that staff roll does seem that it could do somthing
@unkempt drift wouldn't DARE ban me
twin lagoon
@true canyon
waxen panther
i am a secret member of the core team
molten egret
unkempt drift
I don't see why you would use anything not developed by Mojang, the developer of Minecraft. They want to make sure everything runs properly. Putting a bucket on top of your server will not help it run better. It will only hurt it. Paper? Come on. Snake oil
spice ether
Datapacks are better then papertweaks.. hides in a basement 🤣
wet storm
I wonder does nms mad lads exist, who develop bukkit plugins using minimal api features and with maximum amount of nms. (nms components, codecs etc.)
true canyon
<@71627708521512960>
🥺
vestal jasper
Datapacks are better then papertweaks.. hides in a basement 🤣
what does this even mean
molten egret
I don't see why you would use anything not developed by Mojang, the developer of...
I don't see why we would play on the platform that is run by oracle we should switch to the bedrock version so microsoft is more encompassing us
vestal jasper
oh papertweaks
molten egret
on windows 11 of course
vestal jasper
what are papertweaks
twin lagoon
can we tweak vic
warm anchor
twin lagoon
molten egret
we should also host all of our servers on asure
vestal jasper
molten egret
I'm too broke to send that emoji
vestal jasper
I host my servers on a smart fridge
spice ether
Sends log4j towards smart fridge 🤣
molten egret
it can't handle the logger
wet storm
smart toaster is better for that purposes lol
ripe sphinx
imagine someone hacking your fridge and making all your food go bad
vestal jasper
That's been patched in pretty much every single source of the server or client
molten egret
they had to switch back to System.out for the fridge version
molten egret
That's been patched in pretty much every single source of the server or client
someone tried it in january on my server
01/16/2022
checked the chat logs
waxen panther
Can you get us the hour minute and second too?
wet storm
nanoseconds? 🥺
waxen panther
we will need the exact tick your server was on too
ripe sphinx
as well as the phase of the moon
molten egret
probs after the first one
molten egret
as well as the phase of the moon
Waxing Gibbous 98% illuminated
undone blade
How many bumps are you guys waiting before you use 1.19?
waxen panther
all of them
undone blade
lmao
grand pewter
ill probably do all the bumping next weekend
undone blade
Does anybody know if/what would break with plugins?
plugins that havent officially supported 1.19 yet
grand pewter
coarse venture
ill probably do all the bumping next weekend
Glad lwcx works fine on 1.19 so far in my tests. 😄
undone blade
im scared
grand pewter
what could go wrong
coarse venture
Does anybody know if/what would break with plugins?
it's not that difficult to clone your server and run it on a diff port and do some tests. it's one of the benefits of having experimental builds.
unkempt jackal
is it bad practice to keep viaversion installed even though my server is on 1.19 now?
grand pewter
yes
twin lagoon
i don't think it can hurt
grand pewter
but it makes little sense to have installed if you are on the latest version, not that it's bad or anything
undone blade
I dont know who kenny is but im assuming he works on via
twin lagoon
yeah that
coarse venture
im scared
> test included: passing above startup-test, and then actually going in-game, trying their basic 5 or so features, no dupe-testing from gui menu is being done though.
[√] CoreProtect
[√] CoreProtect-AntiXray
[√] MiniMOTD
[√] InfiniCake
[√] FoundDiamonds
[√] spark
[√] PyroFishingPro
[√] PyroLib
[√] PyroWelcomes
[√] F3Name
[√] LuckPerms
[√] mcMMO
[√] endcrystals
[√] HeadDatabase
[√] LWC
[√] LWCTrust
[√] BetterRTP
[√] AntiFire
[√] Chunky
[√] DiscordSRV
[√] mcmmo-placeholders
[√] Multiverse-Core (quick test, needs more testing, mvcreate crashes server)
[-] Multiverse-Inventories (seems to work, needs more testing)
[√] Geyser-Spigot (fixed, , needs more testing)
[√] MCPerks
[√] Votifier
[√] VotingPlugin
[√] TradeMe
[√] TryMe
[√] UltimateFireworks (works perfectly, but with errors during startup, reported)
[√] Vault
[√] ViaBackwards
[√] ViaRewind
[√] ViaVersion
[√] ViaVersionStatus
[√] WanderingTrades
[√] Citizens
[√] BossShopPro
[√] CMILib
[√] Jobs (requires cmilib 1.2.0.1 or newer)
[√] MobFarmManager (requires cmilib 1.2.0.1 or newer)
[√] NoEndPortals
[√] PlaceholderAPI
[√] AdvancedAchievements
[√] CMI (requires cmilib 1.2.0.1 or newer)
[√] Residence (requires cmilib 1.2.0.1 or newer)
[√] ReCount (requires cmilib 1.2.0.1 or newer)
[√] BottledExp (requires cmilib 1.2.0.1 or newer)
[√] CreativeItemControl
[√] WorldGuard
[√] WorldEdit (useless in current state, use FAWE)
[√] InventorySaver
[√] FastAsyncWorldEdit (WorldEdit)
[√] BedrockMiner
[√] ItemSoulBind
[√] PvPToggle
[√] SelectionVisualizer
[√] Boosters
[√] WorldBorder
[√] PlotSquared (needs fawe, works)
[√] TNTRun_reloaded
[√] HolographicDisplays (custom build by paul, starts up, needs testing)
[√] AuctionHouse
````tested`
test included only startup test, where they failed, disabled themselves, exception errors, showed red in /pl
zrips plugins waiting for new cmilib before testing again
note: some plugins failed due to worldguard/worldedit giving issues.
note: custom chunk generation issues with things like plotsquare/bentobox
[x] BentoBox (https://github.com/BentoBoxWorld/BentoBox/issues/1987)
[x] HeadDisplays (seems to have failed to load - dev in hospital (recovering))
[x] ProCosmetics (fails during startup with error msg - waiting for update)
[x] ShopChest (seems to have failed to load- asked smeths to help again)
[x] WorldBorderAPI (seems to load) (no longer needed for bbox-border addon)
````fails`
twin lagoon
probably won't hurt, doesn't make sense to have installed
waxen panther
bruh
undone blade
oooh
coarse venture
only a handful that i can't update yet, the rest worked fine.. so your 80 plugins will go okay surely.
unkempt jackal
thanks
undone blade
molten egret
waHT the fAwK
waxen panther
naturally
undone blade
Whats wrong with EF out of curiosity? lmao
its stopped things that paper didnt for me in the past
twin lagoon
whats wrong with viaversion out of curiosity
undone blade
and chc, if you wanna only like/not like plugins because of their devs thats cool, but like, I like them for their functionality lol
viaversion introduced a million bugs for me from people going forwards or backwards, dupes etc and just general glitchyness, I think the plugin i guess is ok and does what its suppose to, but the idea of having someone on 1.11 in your 1.19 server is just bizzare like why people want to do that is insane to me lol
For a clean experience, you want to be on the server of the server lol
twin lagoon
viaversion does not introduce dupes
viaversion does not introduce backwards compatibility
undone blade
The whole via suite in general I mean
twin lagoon
well yes viabackwards is questionable
cunning raft
<@194473148161327104> discussed internally that I'm a dumbass
don't refer to me
twin lagoon
but it does not introduce dupes
undone blade
Just going off personal experience I guess. That's all we can do right lol.
waxen panther
don't refer to me
undone blade
I had invisible npcs on version and everything 😂
Invisible players randomly
It was just a mess for me
twin lagoon
if you have invisible npcs on the same client version as your server's version
undone blade
So decide to tell the players to get with the times if they want a solid server and update lol
twin lagoon
not a viaversion issue
coarse venture
viaversion introduced a million bugs for me from people going forwards or backwa...
wait, how can viaversion introduce dupes? O_o
undone blade
It was they confirmed it
waxen panther
wait, how can viaversion introduce dupes? O_o
trust me bro™️
undone blade
I can't even remember how tbh but I can probably find the convo
spice ether
😂
undone blade
Search my tag in there you might find it. Unless they have tickets I can't remember
twin lagoon
right so
if you have invisible npcs on the same client version as your server's version
not a viaversion issue
undone blade
On 1.8
twin lagoon
backwards compatibility to a modern minecraft server doesn't make much sense anyways
spice ether
Maybe for a lobby
twin lagoon
no
spice ether
But that's it
spice ether
Better then using old 1.8 mc
undone blade
Bug fest
void void
In case someone really wants to run an old 1.8 faction server, with a 'lobby' type server in between
waxen panther
can’t find anything in there about dupes either
void void
Then I'd imagine it being acceptable
twin lagoon
idk you might aswell just run 1.8 on the lobby
undone blade
Are you guys good 😂 this was a year ago and I don't run via anymore