general

[signal cedar]

Like a place to put your plugins?

[rare python]

Yes.

[signal cedar]

Ah sweet ok

It's weird to jump back and forth between spigot and bukkit plugin listings

[primal solar]

I love paper api but I cant really publish plugins in a decent place cause of using it

[sleek tree]

Wish SpigotMC would bot Bukkit, to copy over all the resources ontop spigot, then just use "download" & link the download to bukkits

[rare python]

Basically exists because Spigot won't allow anything that does not support Spigot and BungeeCord, meaning there is no real home for anything that exclusively supports Paper, Waterfall or Velocity.

[signal cedar]

Do people even use normal spigot/ bukkit or do they all use paper or paper forks?

[primal solar]

Spigot is still run by close 30-40% servers

[signal cedar]

Ah

[primal solar]

Just because people dont know about paper

[vital jackal]

Paper op

A legitimate god send

[rare python]

Paper is the dominant implementation though

[signal cedar]

I was using the vanilla server jar for years

[primal solar]

Minimessage is op

[signal cedar]

Then I found paper

Such a godsend

I'm never using anything else haha

[vital jackal]

No need to.

Light weight and it works

[primal solar]

There are some other forks of paper but the truth is they are not much better than paper when it comes to performance mostly just about customisation

[vital jackal]

Found a nice setting for paper, it crashes xrayers

[primal solar]

What in the world

[vital jackal]

Not sure it's intended but it works

The built in anti xray

[primal solar]

It should not be intended

[rare python]

How to improve your plugin in 1 easy step: Drop spigot support.

[vital jackal]

Lol

[primal solar]

Lol that will crash weak pcs

[manic berry]

https://discord.gift/ksNYkdrQU5SHZxWr

[vital jackal]

Exactly

[primal solar]

Get botted

[vital jackal]

No

Wtb moderator

[manic berry]

Mb someone else got it on diff server I posted lol

[vital jackal]

Bruh

[manic berry]

Bro this is not fake istg

[manic berry]

Dont ban me 🙂

[sleek tree]

Put another one to prove it ez

[vital jackal]

I'd have banned

[primal solar]

@mental meadow not sure if I am supposed to ping you or not

[rare python]

It's legit because it has the correct embed.

[sleek tree]

& the URL

[primal solar]

Might wanna remove that still

[sleek tree]

The url is legit

[manic berry]

No i spent $100 already

Kinda broke rn

Lol

[primal solar]

Smart thing to waste your money on nitro like this

[manic berry]

I bought it on accident but i dont need it so I thought to giveaway

[rare python]

Yes, please waste more money and send another link.

[primal solar]

You got a kidney, make more mistakes mate

[manic berry]

What ??

[mental meadow]

There are bots in almost any bigger server that instantly grab gifts

It's a bad idea to just post them

[primal solar]

Yeah

[manic berry]

rip if a bot got it istg

[vernal moth]

I mean, I got nitro by somebody posting a gift here before

[waxen panther]

damn that’s crazy

🥸

[crystal lily]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[rare python]

^

[dim thistle]

Zamn

1.19 when?

1.19 wen

Eta

How do u get it?

[crystal lily]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[spice ether]

Bruh just scroll up and read no need to spam pointless eta commands

[rare python]

Also #paper-help

[molten egret]

Try vanilla Mc it’s like a simplified fork of paper no performance, no plugins

[dim thistle]

How to get this I'm asking

[dim thistle]

Ik but I wanna play with my friends

[molten egret]

./eta

[molten egret]

Vanilla allows you to play with friends???

[dim thistle]

Ah

[crystal lily]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[dim thistle]

Noice

[dim thistle]

Ik but I need plugins too so waiting for Paper 1.19

[signal harbor]

so what is there left for the devs to do

[radiant fable]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[brave mountain]

In a hurry?

Go program paper yourself's and serve yourself's.

[vernal moth]

The team is testing stuff and fixing bugs as they come up

You can help us test stuff, see test builds in #❗ 1.19

[dim thistle]

Ah noice so it should be ready soon right?

[supple gale]

What is better, PopOS or Manjaro?

[molten egret]

**Testing how it’s affected by low tps

[vast cipher]

where do i go for purpur optimization help?

[molten egret]

Purpur Discord

[vast cipher]

my server host linked me to this discord

uhh

ok cya ig

[cedar spade]

🐀

[little frost]

@cedar spade \🍍

[foggy silo]

@void void happy birthday!!!

[wide chasm]

Happy birthday Noah!

[molten egret]

happy birthday

||I'm just saying that to seem nice with no actual clue whether it is, in fact, Noah's birthday||

why are the hashes in #❗ 1.19 md5?

[rare python]

The hash exists to verify the files integrity, not for security, so md5 is fine, although it would be better to use a more modern hash algorithm.

[lilac moon]

You ran out of memory

Oh what the heck

I was scrolled back

Sorry

[rare python]

Lol

[waxen panther]

@static badge

[cedar spade]

I was busy so they asked the other md to hash them

[rare python]

Lol

[tender cloud]

I've been sat in the twitch chat waiting for a stream 🙂

[last talon]

Hi i am trying to debug my spigot server, in intellij i turn on debugging before server startup but after server boot it gets this:

[molten egret]

streams are pretty cool

[rare python]

This is Paper, not Spigot, go ask Spigot.

[molten egret]

hehe error 202 failed successfully

[last talon]

im use paper xd

[rare python]

You said Spigot...

[last talon]

typo

no matter what I use it is not an engine error

[wet storm]

I haven't an access to the internet for 2 days, what happened during this period?

[frank otter]

more asking for eta

paper-api came out and some experimental builds

mostly just people asking for eta

I think a couple of Russians came in were homophobes and got banned

oh yes also Aurora has sick music on their website

[vagrant marlin]

and your answer is wrong too, pretty good

[dim thistle]

Lmao

[lone bridge]

so guys I'm using luckperms for the first time, how do I give someone the permission to use /god or /fly but only on themselves

[molten egret]

What plugin for /fly?

[lone bridge]

essentialsx

[molten egret]

Should be essentials.fly

[lone bridge]

aha, thanks

[drifting aurora]

sick music? link please!

[frank otter]

it's on https://auri.gay for autoplay reasons you have to interact with the page before it plays

alternatively you can https://auri.gay/uc8l1o.mp3

[drifting aurora]

Ahahahahaha

Makes my day.... and I never knew there was a type of domain called ".gay" till today....

Something learned everyday lol

[molten egret]

The css is bad

[frank otter]

well go fix it

[molten egret]

Why me?

My css is worse

[frank otter]

I don't see anybody else complaining currently

[molten egret]

It doesn’t work on mobile

That’s the issue

[frank otter]

it's funnier that way

[frank otter]

also it's neither my website nor my code

[molten egret]

lol

[frank otter]

and who else is going to fix it

it's not bugging anyone else

[lilac moon]

How

It literally says OutOfMemoryError

[vagrant marlin]

you havent used pterodactyl, have you?

[lilac moon]

I have

But the backtrace comes from JVM

[vagrant marlin]

this is from the jvm? interesting

[lilac moon]

that's not what I'm talking abiut

[vagrant marlin]

what then, lol

[lilac moon]

I mean the actual stack trace from JVM

unless somehow it also bugged the image and i m looking at a different kne

[vagrant marlin]

yes, it was caused by the paper bundler jar being broken

this is the image

[void void]

Can anyone familiar with ip address and ip route help me set up a routing table?

[meager otter]

Anyone has the chunk reseting problem?

[molten egret]

De why

[twin lagoon]

i still don't understand why you need a custom routing table

like this seems very much like a XY problem

[void void]

Router panel is bugging out and no longer recognizes my PC, yet I'm internet connected

[crystal lily]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[molten egret]

Unplug

Then replug

[twin lagoon]

right but how is a routing table going to fix that

[void void]

I did some digging and it's a bug within the control panel itself, but it works on the router end

[molten egret]

Can you ping the outside world?

[void void]

Yes

[void void]

Thanks

[molten egret]

Then you’re connected?

[void void]

Port forwarding always replies closed though, even when I have the right config
and a proper server setup

[twin lagoon]

do you have a proper networking setup though

some ISPs do not allow port forwarding

due to e.g. CGNAT

no

[void void]

No CGNAT for my provider, and our equipment is rented

[molten egret]

No?

[lapis pine]

do permission wildcard nodes match nothing? that is, does some.perm.* imply also the parent some.perm itself?

[twin lagoon]

the answer to fixing a potential firewall issue should not be to just straight up disable it

[void void]

UFW isn't installed on my system anyways

[golden gust]

but

[molten egret]

That’s a good idea sudo ufw allow 25565/tcp

[golden gust]

worked for selinux

[void void]

As you might be able to see I'm in an arch ISO session

[molten egret]

ISO?

Meaning not persistant?

[twin lagoon]

yeah there's not going to be a firewall active in an archinstall session

[void void]

The installer, I don't want to mess with my main config

[molten egret]

Why would you be chilling in the installer?

[twin lagoon]

I don't want to mess with my main config

[void void]

This is probably a very stupid idea and I'm completely blind here

[molten egret]

Oh

[twin lagoon]

yeah i'm still not sure what you're trying to do here, this doesn't sound like a fix to port-forward your server at all

[void void]

The system I have is also about a day old so I can install and reinstall about as many times as I want

So, I'll summarize my problem:

Expected result: Player is able to connect to my server
What actually happens: Router reports that there's nothing to port forward to (connection denied)

[dark drum]

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/iptables#Editing_rules

[molten egret]

I think the computer could also deny the connection???

[void void]

Iptables is legacy

[indigo garnet]

i wish i could watch kennytv code on twitch this morning, it makes my work day so much more enjoyable.. -_-

[void void]

Not sure... I'll get Wireshark running on a second laptop

I messed my configuration up last time to the point of no return so I'm just going to reinstall

[dark drum]

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Network_configuration#Routing_table

[void void]

I can ping gnu.org so everything seems to be fine right now

[molten egret]

Also does anyone know how to do the iptables forward thing: I need to forward 80 to 8123 on Ubuntu

I had it working but it stopped working tho

[lilac moon]

I guess I'm hallucinating then, or somehow discord showed a different image to me earlier

[vagrant marlin]

must be hallucinating

its hot outside

[lilac moon]

I'm inside and its cold inside

[vagrant marlin]

anyways

its hot

[worthy geode]

in Finland? thats worrying

[molten egret]

Try Hydrogen Hydroxide

[vagrant marlin]

yeah

[vagrant marlin]

21 celcius outside 🥵

[molten egret]

Americanizing please wait…

[vagrant marlin]

278 feet and a washing machine

[lilac moon]

H-O-H moment

21 c is litrslly room temperatire

Wtf

[molten egret]

69.8 f

[lilac moon]

It was like that here all spring though

[molten egret]

Very nice weather

[solid flower]

Whats the meaning of "Turn your server up to 11." on the papermc website

[molten egret]

Use java 11 not 8

Jk 11 doesn’t work either

[vagrant marlin]

there was snow in april

kek

[lilac moon]

"Why don't you just make 10 louder"
"But this one goes to 11"

[void void]

well, that happens sometimes ;)

[vagrant marlin]

only sometimes? darn

[molten egret]

Well It doesn’t snow here

[lilac moon]

It was 72 f last Christmas and then it snowed a ton in like march

[drifting aurora]

"Why don't you make Windows 10 better?"
"Because now it goes up to Windows 11"

[drifting aurora]

I love snowy weathers.... I could honestly just throw my radiator outside the window and I had boost up to 5.2 on all 18....

[obtuse stream]

@twin lagoon hello sir

I have some problems

Regarding geyser

Is there a way to fix it

[twin lagoon]

ask geyser

don't tag me

[molten egret]

gimme a sec

https://discord.gg/geysermc

[obtuse stream]

Where do I find geyser server

Ty

[molten egret]

np

[twin lagoon]

proceeds to tag

[molten egret]

hehe no one pings aurora at the top of community team

you stitting right in the middle are a prime target

[drifting aurora]

I mean Michael is literally here 24/7... Guess that might be why ppls are pinging him....

[molten egret]

yeh

[hazy trail]

PaperMC has such a good dev team who are dedicated and hard working. They also so a great job at communicating with the people in the discord this is very rare I’m so glad to use papermc

[molten egret]

yeah papermc team is great

[vagrant marlin]

(especially kenny)

great at imitating villagers

[drifting aurora]

Hey guys! look what I've found! something that's similar to Yaotpia or Akarin! and it's also up to date! wo hoo for another piece of software that's gonna kill your server and your save lol...
https://github.com/etil2jz/Mirai

[molten egret]

Mirai...

I feel like I've heard that name before

[drifting aurora]

You probably meant
https://github.com/mamoe/mirai

Or possibly the film
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirai_(film)

[vagrant marlin]

dont link anime

eternity will get wild

[drifting aurora]

Just so that you said it, @warm anchor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirai_(film)

[vagrant marlin]

not good

[molten egret]

possibly the botnet?

[drifting aurora]

That too.... maybe also the car....

There is just so much stuff named "Mirai"

[kindred quiver]

Unpopular opinion: Anything that is a fork of paper/purpur is kinda weird.

[meager otter]

Guys i have a problem sometimes the chunk on my server reset when they are re loaded do you know if the dev are aware of that and working on it ? Because that's the most problematic issue imo

[vagrant marlin]

why?

purpur isnt even a paper fork

[drifting aurora]

fork of a fork of a fork is weird....

[vagrant marlin]

its a pufferfish fork, which is a fork of paper

lol

[molten egret]

well things get weirder the farther they are down the chain

[drifting aurora]

fork of a fork of a fork of a fork of a fork is weirder...

[vagrant marlin]

its funny how people refer to purpur as the other alternative to paper

[drifting aurora]

Unfortunately, its still paper lol

[vagrant marlin]

purpur has its use cases, but shouldnt be referred to as casually

[drifting aurora]

YOU SHALL NEVER GET AWAY FROM THE DEVILISH PAPER!

[vagrant marlin]

many unknowingly use purpur without even knowing what it does

[kindred quiver]

I mean you could consider purpur as paper but with extra features cuz ya know why.

[vagrant marlin]

they just think that its "performance"

pufferfish is what makes purpur perform better

[tawdry hazel]

eta when

[vagrant marlin]

#❗ 1.19

[drifting aurora]

Want some absolute performance? try Mirai/Akarin/Yatopia, just hope that it doesn't blow up your server!

[drifting aurora]

There is never an ETA for any paper projects

[crystal lily]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[vagrant marlin]

funny thing, those most likely perform worse than pufferfish

[drifting aurora]

And explode your server

[vagrant marlin]

in addition, yes

they just slap random fabric mods and patches and hope that it works

[drifting aurora]

We should have those developers back in WWI and WWII

screw nuclear weapons, just drop servers with Yatopia/Mirai/Akarin installed on it...

[worthy geode]

they follow the ancient rule of performance: there can be no lag if nothing is working

[drifting aurora]

My grandfather be like
I remember back in my days, we were tasked to dispose a server installed with Mirai, we had to carry USB sticks with Paper installed on it, some of use didn't even have Paper, we had Spigot and Bukkit! we had to get real close to the server, and we had to plug in the USB drive and replace the server core with whatever we have gotten on our hand! one mistake will blew up the entire country!

I honestly should go write some novels

[vestal roost]

remember yatopia?? :troll:

[drifting aurora]

Why would you make it not work when you could make it EXPLODE

[molten egret]

Idk I’ve been a happy paper player ever since I started my server

[radiant fable]

papermc lore

[drifting aurora]

This is a photo of my grandpa

[molten egret]

Ye we need to make paper Chan the anime

[vestal roost]

papermc was a super optimized virus during ww2 real

yatopia was developed by nazi germany

[molten egret]

Yeah it’s jit compilation allowed it to run on all types of people

[rare python]

your all mad

[molten egret]

Yes

We talk about server software all day

[vestal roost]

papermc is america, spigot is united kingdom bukkit is france pufferfish are the soviets

[molten egret]

Ehh

[vestal roost]

mohist is the japanese empire

[molten egret]

Holy shit auto correct

[elder flax]

protocol lib out here killing me not updating

[drifting aurora]

ME MAD NAZII SCIENTISTAAA ME BLEW UP US WITH MIRAI!!!!

[rare python]

wth

[drifting aurora]

What? No! Spigot is France and Bukkit is Poland!

[vestal roost]

LMAOOO NOOO

[drifting aurora]

ahahahah

[worthy geode]

#general around releases is something

[drifting aurora]

*Gone in the first week

[vestal roost]

this makes hoi4 interesting

[dim thistle]

Ikr lol

[drifting aurora]

Ahahahaha

The Chinese designed Mohist to invade China....?

[cunning raft]

okay can we not

[vestal roost]

hmmm

[drifting aurora]

Not when the admins are watching

[spice ether]

https://tenor.com/view/watching-eyes-googly-eyes-looking-gif-15186089

[golden gust]

Yanked from this yanker: https://twitter.com/nixcraft/status/1534858481467260928/photo/1

[lost kestrel]

daaamn minimessage kinda lit

[crystal lily]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[molten egret]

What should I draw?

[frank otter]

two axolotls in a bucket

[molten egret]

Oki

[crystal lily]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[frank otter]

congratulations that's twice as good as one axolotl in a bucket

[molten egret]

O thx

[sacred veldt]

Now do 3

[hexed kelp]

I love updating servers

[coral comet]

Why

Have you done that

[hexed kelp]

need those jar files bro

[worthy geode]

but why are they not in a grid D:

[crystal lily]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[rare python]

How do people end up using so many plugins, my server only uses like 20?

[void void]

Modded ones

[potent wedge]

Server on apple? Shame.

[hexed kelp]

servers not on apple, im using ftp

these are also all 1.18 plugins on 1.19 lol

im seeing how many launch

[frank otter]

i just made neovim segfault. i dont think that is supposed to happen

[golden gust]

segfaults are generally not supposed to happen, correct

[vernal moth]

oh look, more stuff on my profile page that nobody cares about

https://i.imgur.com/aPYwvCU.png

[frank otter]

oh and it's complaining about swap files when I re open it

[rare python]

ya, similar stuff appeared on mine... why?

[vernal moth]

https://github.blog/2022-06-09-introducing-achievements-recognizing-the-many-stages-of-a-developers-coding-journey/

there are 6 right now, I am missing the galaxy brain thing (answering github discussions) and the mars rover one (not obtainable anymore)

[lone shuttle]

is ok to run experimental build of paper on sevrer?

or crash

[mossy vessel]

recognizing the many stages of a developer’s coding journey
The time I spent on merging and creating PRs is the smallest percent of my work time, where's the badge covering the countless lost nights spend on debugging xy problem smh

[lone shuttle]

and die of dead

[golden gust]

They're experimental.

[rare python]

Anything other then testing or development is a bad idea.

[vernal moth]

its ok if you make frequent backups and its not mission critical

[lone shuttle]

ok but in general, what would u say

i appreciate tho g

like on scale of 1 to 10

[rare python]

No.

[lone shuttle]

1 being eh

10 being SERVER WILL DIE OF DEATH

[rare python]

10 if no backup

7 if backup

[lone shuttle]

ok thanks men. i make back up

i can switch to release after right?

[vernal moth]

yes

[rare python]

Yes

[lone shuttle]

SO based kings so based

[nocturne agate]

Which one should I download for plugin development?

[rare python]

But you should just wait.

[lone shuttle]

appreciate. swag. of rea.l

nah it aint me

its my friend

[vernal moth]

ultimate is paid

[nocturne agate]

Ah ok

[vernal moth]

ultimate is way better but community works for plugin dev

[lone shuttle]

got like 16 ppl waiting on me rn

[rare python]

If you wanna pay, Ultimate, otherwise Community.

[lone shuttle]

all week lmao

[rare python]

I wanna get Ultimate at some point.

[vernal moth]

ultimate is well worth the money tho

[lone shuttle]

thumb sup

[nocturne agate]

I just want to make simple plugins, I dont rlly need to ultimate

[rare python]

Can you not spam 👍?

[vernal moth]

stop spamming reactions

[lone shuttle]

btw thx minidigger, im going to go now

ok sorry

[rare python]

Well then use Community.

[nocturne agate]

Yup. Thank you

[lone shuttle]

also peter crawley you sound like aserious. man but are you open to profile pictrure suggestions

[wet storm]

Michael's testing server wen?

[rare python]

I mean sure, but I doubt you could come up with anything I would want to use.

[nocturne agate]

Also do you guys know any good guides for how to make plugins? I have been youtubing and most of them are in German

[rare python]

I mean I have not been able to come up with anything for the past... 2 years?

[rare python]

Ya no.

[lone shuttle]

W or L

?

[vernal moth]

apparently there are 500 servers on paper 1.19 already

[lone shuttle]

?

[rare python]

80% of which are idiots who don't care about stability

[rare python]

No.

[lone shuttle]

wood plank texture from my game

i think this one suits you

[cedar spade]

https://cdn-raw.modrinth.com//data/blWBX5n1/59d501e12d238faae2c23fa3d1b0e2b97a1ef8d6.png

[ashen bloom]

Where are the latest versions? On https://papermc.io/downloads is only 1.18.2

[lone shuttle]

theres no 1.19 out yet

you can use an experimental if you dont mind small changce of died

[ashen bloom]

Ok, how long will it take?

[lone shuttle]

theres no eta

[ashen bloom]

How long took it in the past?

[lone shuttle]

but i would say 1 week, but i am a random who dont know much

[rare python]

Also, I am not that serious, just autistic, so communication be dammed.

[ashen bloom]

Ok, still thanks

[lone shuttle]

YOO FELLOW AUTIST

you cool i like it

respect it yea

[vernal moth]

if you feel advantageous and know how to take frequent backups you can look at the builds in #❗ 1.19

[lone shuttle]

plus u do comp sci stuff

[rare python]

🤔

[lone shuttle]

i take compsci

[golden gust]

do comp sci stuff

Have you got your thigh highs yet?

[lone shuttle]

me do comper scienc

[cedar spade]

advantageous

adventurous? 😛

[lone shuttle]

unfortunately i am not a femboy so no programmer socks for now g

[vernal moth]

words are hard

[golden gust]

for now

[frank otter]

sounds like someone with a plan

[lone shuttle]

Oui oui

i love computer scien

today we made a mathsquiz. program starting make

for half term idea

would you Like to see it, Electronic. CatNop ing

[golden gust]

https://www.tiktok.com/@f1nn5terclips/video/7101745251362147589

[lone shuttle]

reads the name

i used to watch finn ster when he edindt do crosdertesing

good for him though

[golden gust]

Yea, I generally don't watch streamers

but, finnster seemed kinda funny, so, I do watch some of his clips

[lone shuttle]

nah hes not. funney imo

but To Each of his olwn

[wet storm]

I have only one favorite streamer and their content is everything I need (to live)

[rare python]

I have 8 browser extensions, 4 of which are youtube specific.

I'm actually gonna remove tampermonkey because I don't even use it.

Also, day 3 of waiting for plugin-yml to update :/

[lilac moon]

I have a favorite streamer

[lone shuttle]

whos?

[lone shuttle]

tampermonkey goated

used that shid in y7 to cheat my friend hom,ework.😭

[rare python]

What?

[valid hound]

hiiii does somebody knows when thoes 1.19 update comes out?

[crystal lily]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[vernal moth]

experimental builds are available in #❗ 1.19

[valid hound]

okie okie ty

[wet storm]

mini, what phone do you use in daily life?

[vagrant marlin]

iphone 15 pro max ultra plus

[vernal moth]

pixel 6 pro I think?

idk latest pixel

[rare python]

[lone shuttle]

year 7 french homework

[molten egret]

Ikr it’s always like that

[rare python]

?

[lilac moon]

French homework 💀

[daring ridge]

So, I got a bit bored 🍍
Logback for Velocity, anyone?

[rare python]

logback?

[daring ridge]

Yes, one of the implementations for SLF4J

[simple garden]

so how is the exponential 1.19 build?

[lilac moon]

exponential

[simple garden]

Experimental

damn auto correct haha

voice to text is evil

[vernal moth]

well, they are experimental, but > 500 servers run it already so if something was obviously broken we would know by now

so, caution and everything, but good enough to test if your plugins broke

[daring ridge]

The fun bit is when {} is required otherwise the pattern breaks 🍍

Yeah, I don't know either

[simple garden]

nice nice, hopefully it all runs great without issues. if i install the Ex 1.19 will i be able to install the full version when it is release?

[vernal moth]

yep

[worthy geode]

exclude all the .json files from indexing for 10x the speed

[wet storm]

actually, 🍍 and #velocity-dev I guess

[simple garden]

cool i have some admins on my server that attentionally look for issues on my server so i will have them looking around for stuff lol

[rare python]

Is that actually a thing or are you messing with me...

[vernal moth]

dont forget the backups pls

[simple garden]

yeah i will do so now.

[daring ridge]

Fair enough; I wasn't sure if I should since I'm mainly doing this for the next stage of cursedness I'm sure probably will be rejected lol

If you're curious what kind: Uh, native image?

[simple garden]

if there are bugs what page do i post them to?

[worthy geode]

no. there are .json files for every block and item somewhere and intellij indexes them and it takes ages
No idea what the exact path is tho

[rare python]

I'm trying to get IntelliJ to re download the 1.19 api stuff , but its being stubborn, so time to nuke ~/.gradle

[void void]

I just learned intellij can do this and I love it

[rare python]

I use it often as well, its quite handy.

Its why I don't have any real issue with the layout of the new UI, because I already used that for navigating most of the time, so its only encouraged me to use it more, which i'm fine with.

[vernal moth]

On the GitHub repo

[crystal lily]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues

[simple garden]

hey where do i find the latest build? i can only find 1.18.2 on the paper page

[void void]

#❗ 1.19

use with caution though

[lone shuttle]

github issues

[simple garden]

ok so do i just drop the jar into the folder like normal?

[daring ridge]

Fun bit: Making Velocity use Logback over Log4J dropped the resulting jar size down by 1.2 MiB 🍍
Granted, it helps when there's less indirection from SLF4J

[simple garden]

idk on experimentals work

[worthy geode]

its .gradle/caches/paperweight/mc-dev-sources/data

[void void]

yes

create a backup though

[radiant mantle]

Is it fine to run a 4gb locally hosted smp server 24/7 with daily reboots?

[limber knot]

why wouldn't it be fine?

[simple garden]

k. i am currently running the back up now.

[daring ridge]

You probably could get away with a lot less reboots, but, yes, you can very easily

[rare python]

I'm a sensible person who is not gonna put 1.19 on my server until it's stable.

[simple garden]

why does mojang make updates like this. cant they just add stuff the way mods and plugin makers do it lol. it will making updating a lot easier haha

[lone shuttle]

because frame work i asusme

also

[daring ridge]

You'd end up with the problem of some software not being able to update well

[lone shuttle]

how. antixray on 1.19 paper?

[crystal lily]

https://docs.papermc.io/paper/anti-xray

[void void]

oh wait, 1.19

that guide hasn't been updated yet

[lone shuttle]

ouioui

sadje

[plucky eagle]

there should be an #creations channel

[simple garden]

or Microsoft could leave it to the community to update and repair since the community does that anyways lol

[worthy geode]

probably would get abused as hell

[plucky eagle]

elaborate?

[worthy geode]

server advertisements

[plucky eagle]

wdym

[worthy geode]

People would combine their "creations" with some form of advertisement for their server

[plucky eagle]

then the staff can moderate like (i'm assuming) they do on anything else?

[worthy geode]

yes of course, but it means more work

[plucky eagle]

anything new means more work

[spice topaz]

Hey everyone im new to the discord and i run a small minecraft server with friends. I see stuff about the experimental 1.19 release, is there any prediction for when it will be fully released? if not that’s totally fine my players are just curious to get on 1.19 :)

[worthy geode]

not really any ETA. but expect weeks, not days until its really stable

[spice topaz]

Yeah that’s what I figured

[worthy geode]

so far it seems to be going quite well, but if you can wait, you definitely should wait a bit

[quartz isle]

What would you recommend in the mean time?

[radiant mantle]

How often should I reboot

[limber knot]

every time you update to a new build or new plugin updates

[spice topaz]

thanks for the help

[radiant mantle]

So I shouldn’t do every day? I locally host

[limber knot]

the server should be able to run without issues for a couple weeks if you don't run into some memory leak in a plugin or maybe even the server/jvm

[radiant mantle]

Also how are u a bot lol

[limber knot]

you can do it every day, it's just not a requirement

[radiant mantle]

Ok so do you think 2 times a month is good?
Or once a week

[daring ridge]

Frankly, only when you really need to (i.e. memory leaks and alike)

[radiant mantle]

Ah ok

[limber knot]

tbh if you have daily backups then I suggest stopping it before, then taking the backup and then starting it up again

[daring ridge]

If you don't experience memory leaks, then you can just run indefinitely until you need to update stuff

[limber knot]

so you would already have daily restarts if you backup correctly

[daring ridge]

Fair point

[radiant mantle]

How do these leaks occur

[limber knot]

bad code

[daring ridge]

Yeah; plugins can leak
Minecraft itself could also leak, although, that's rather rare to see

[radiant mantle]

So how can I do backups on my locally hosted smp with 10 friends

Like what plug-in

[limber knot]

with a backup program

[radiant mantle]

Do you have any ideas?

[limber knot]

plugins can't backup the server while its shut down xD

[daring ridge]

If you're using Linux, you could use systemd or openrc to set a timer

[radiant mantle]

Oh so how can I do that

[limber knot]

if you run linux: rsnapshot or rdiff-backup

[radiant mantle]

I’m using windows lol

[limber knot]

if you run windows: don't

[worthy geode]

staying on 1.18.2 if you have an existing server/world. if you don't, just wait. If its only for a few friends (3-5 players), vanilla is also an option.
You could also look into Fabric, but I have no idea how many fabric server mods are updated and how stable they are

[radiant mantle]

So don’t backup?

[limber knot]

no, don't run on windows

[daring ridge]

If you really want to use Windows, use the task scheduler

[radiant mantle]

So use task scheduler to restart?

How can I take backups tho

On windows

[daring ridge]

I'd strongly recommend against using Windows at all, but if you must, well, there's still options available

[radiant mantle]

Ye I don’t have a spare pc to host Linux on

This is just some pc that has extra ram

[daring ridge]

You'd have the task shut down the server safely, then copy the files somewhere, or start up your backup software, then once it's done, start it back up

[limber knot]

could at least use WSL or even just run linux in parallel with a hypervisor 👀

[short thunder]

Ello

[radiant mantle]

Oh so a backup is just saving the world files

[quartz isle]

Okay, I updated to regular spigot and velocity and it is running like absolute doo doo lol, But thank you for your recommendation!

[radiant mantle]

Hm maybe

[daring ridge]

Yes; ideally to a secondary drive, or better, a second computer

[radiant mantle]

I don’t think I need that rn lol

As I won’t be using too many Louis

Plugins*

[worthy geode]

considering how much you are asking here Elite, you probably really would be better off by just throwing $10-15/month at some server host

[radiant mantle]

Do you have any economy plugins that are like chest shop but use diamonds instead of fake money?

[radiant mantle]

Ig lol

But idk how long this server will be alive lol

[limber knot]

you can use the Gringotts economy plugin for item currencies and still use other Vault-compatible plugins

[daring ridge]

If it's at least a month, then you're probably fine to use that

[radiant mantle]

Ye

[radiant mantle]

So o saw this but idk how to add diamonds to gringotts

Also how are u a bot lol

Webhook?

[limber knot]

IRC bridge

[hazy trail]

Would u guys say the recent experimental version that came out today is safe to use for a server or not yet

[limber knot]

well I assume gringotts has some kind of config or tutorial

[radiant mantle]

Ok cause idk how to add diamonds as the money to it

It doesn’t say on the info

[limber knot]

the config seems pretty straight forward: https://github.com/nikosgram/gringotts/wiki/Configuration#currency

[radiant mantle]

So what plug-in would allow trading with diamonds

[worthy geode]

not safe. thats why its called "experimental"

[radiant mantle]

Oh ok didn’t see that ty

[dense parrot]

When paper updates to 1.19, the experimental snapshots come out, but what are they fixing/improving? If I used the latest experimental snapshot, what bugs/glitches would there be? How easy is it to update to full relese?

[mental meadow]

If we "release" proper versions we are at least somewhat confident that they don't contain breaking bugs. The experimental versions are experimental because we don't know how good they are. Based on the feedback and bugreports we get we can then look into what still needs improving or if we are able to publish proper builds (still experimental, but not as bad)

[limber knot]

has anybody worked with font chars to align textures properly before and has every seen a case where it suddenly broke the alignment? :S

I had it working and not it doesn't anymore lol

*now

[molten egret]

just write a script that copyies all folders in the directory

[limber knot]

ok this is really odd, apparently the pixel texture can't be see through... but it definitely worked before lol

[worldly jolt]

my reported bug was already marked as fixed after 30 minutes... you guys are fast

[simple garden]

ex 1.19 works great, I just have to go through my plugins and update them

[warm anchor]

How’s that fabric adventure

[molten egret]

fabric is scarry

it doesn't have the little anvil ;-;

[simple garden]

I had to go back scroll my ass off through discord to find your site to get all the updates for my little list of mods lol

I lost 1 plugin cause it isn't updated but I can wait. But besides that I love it lol

[warm anchor]

Try IPN too

You will never go without

[magic river]

Yeah, this scale seems accurate

[molten egret]

We need to show this to all parents

Imagine how fast we could update paper

[twin lagoon]

@warm anchor thoughts

[limber knot]

who needs java for dummies if you can learn java 1.3: https://is.papr.best/g5NHgJs9.png

[daring ridge]

Unlearning Java 1.4+ 🍍

[molten egret]

Ah yes writing out the whole for loop

[daring ridge]

int i = 0;
while(i < array.length) {
    System.out.println(array[i]);
    i++;
}```
There, a for loop

Well, a for loop if for loops didn't exist but you had while

[molten egret]

A

Wasn’t the non enhanced one there?

[daring ridge]

There's also java for(int i = 0; i < array.length; i++) { System.out.println(array[i]); }

[devout hare]

How its going

[eager portal]

hey, I flashed dietpi onto my Pi4 and installed MineOS using that. The Web UI shows up, but the login just won't work

[molten egret]

Yeah

[eager portal]

has anyone encountered this?

[magic river]

int i = 0;
loop {
    if (!(i < array.length)) {
        break;
    }

    System.out.println(array[i]);
    i++;
}

This is how it really works 😄

[daring ridge]

Go one step further and write it in asm

[molten egret]

Java asm

[wet storm]

No, you forgot about jumps

[daring ridge]

Yes

[magic river]

That syntax is more or less how Rust actually handles this in its compiler

[radiant mantle]

How can I use chestshop with this.
So I can make the currency diamond but then how do I make it so it’s like chetsbshop where u put a sign on the chest

[limber knot]

wtf, the example for incrementing an element in that book is a[i++]++ for some reason?

[magic river]

Like, it desugars the language down to a Rust-like language that is easier to reason about that one of the things it does is convert all loops into that format

[daring ridge]

Get & increment

[molten egret]

And wouldn’t i++ really be i = i + 1?

[daring ridge]

An odd choice to do it like that tho, a lot of syntax

[simple garden]

What does ipn do

[magic river]

Didn't care about the i++ part

[daring ridge]

Yeah, with storing i from before adding 1, if you're immediately using it 🍍

[simple garden]

What do yall think is the best site to host a server on? In terms of reliability

[daring ridge]

Otherwise, standalone ++i or i++ are semantically the same as iinc <var> 1, or i = i + 1

[molten egret]

How do the enhanced for loops work

[simple garden]

I was gonna use apex till I can build a better machine for home hosting

[daring ridge]

On an array, it just compiles it down to the unenhanced version while guarding the array from disappearing by copying the reference to LVT

On an iterable, it creates an iterator and basically uses it as if you had it in a traditional while loop

[molten egret]

Apex I’ve heard is good, I have experience with gcs and Ovh which were good

[daring ridge]

You can tell that I poked at too much bytecode

[simple garden]

Do they use ftp client like apex?

[daring ridge]

If I can tell you the implementation details like that

[molten egret]

What’s a splitorator btw

[molten egret]

No it’s just a vm

You get kvm by default

And I setup ssh and ftp

Google does have ssh kinda setup ahead of time tho

[magic river]

ftp 🤢

[molten egret]

Yeah

[simple garden]

I will check them out. I'm just trying to get the service that will work best with paper lol

[daring ridge]

Spliterator is an iterator that can be split down the middle, along with other properties.
Typically used for parallel streams

[molten egret]

Technically I use sftp

[simple garden]

Is ftp that bad?

[daring ridge]

Note that spliterators cannot modify the underlying collection, so

[molten egret]

Isn’t sftp just ftp over ssh?

[daring ridge]

Not quite the same, but yes

[molten egret]

By default it’s unencrypted

[magic river]

FTP is an awful protocol and all your data (including login) are transferred in plain text

[jagged egret]

what

actually?? that's embarrasingly bad

[magic river]

FTPS is FTP but with SSL/TLS and it's still awful because it's still FTP

FTP is from the 80s, they didn't do security back then 😛

[simple garden]

O.o what in the fudge. They fail to tell you that with apex hosting

[magic river]

We also had telnet (like SSH but no security), HTTP, etc

[limber knot]

you want sftp tbh

[simple garden]

So what is a secure way?

[molten egret]

Ok so what is sftp

[magic river]

SFTP is a completely different protocol

[rare python]

rsync

[molten egret]

O

[simple garden]

R there any hosting services that use rsync

[magic river]

It grew out of SSH and SCP and in fact in modern OpenSSH SCP doesn't exist anymore, the command just uses SFTP under the hood because SCP is problematic to implement securely

[limber knot]

sftp is basically ssh "ftp"

but if you can: rsync everything ;D

[magic river]

Technically SFTP has no authentication or encryption either but since it's meant to run on top of SSH it doesn't need to

[limber knot]

"FTPS opens a new port for each file transfer request" wtf

[simple garden]

So if I use a hosting site I should avoid ftp then?

[magic river]

If you ever see a host mention FTP or FTPS run as fast as you can

[rare python]

Just get a dedicated linux host, and ssh in and do everything yourself, its not that hard.

[limber knot]

just make sure they support sftp ¯_(ツ)_/¯

some also say "ftp" and mean ftps or even sftp

[simple garden]

What's a hosting service you'd recommend?

[rare python]

I'd find a normal linux host and use that, it will give you more control and allow you to avoid all the nonsense of hosting panels.

[radiant mantle]

Hey Phoenix I got a question on chestshop and gringotts can I dm you

[magic river]

I would just get a VPS on OVH, install Ubuntu, and do everything myself

[simple garden]

I was going to do that but I have to rebuild me server making and look into anti doxing support

[placid thicket]

is there a better place to keep up with builds or is it still exp 5?

[twin lagoon]

anti doxing

sir what the fuck

[rare python]

"anti doxing", you mean ddos protection right?

[simple garden]

I was told I need doxing protection

If I make my server public

[twin lagoon]

no

[rare python]

I think you mean ddos protection

[twin lagoon]

there is no doxing protection

[placid thicket]

that seems kinda strange, what context were you told that in?

[simple garden]

🤨

[twin lagoon]

the trick to anti doxing is to not be smoothbrained and give a shit about the info you hand out publicly

[simple garden]

A friend that got me into java that is worried about his server getting doxed so he keeps it private

[twin lagoon]

now ddos protection however

that's another story

[placid thicket]

could see someone saying "dosing" but like thats bad form

[simple garden]

He might have said dosing and I miss understood

[placid thicket]

figure out what it is you are trying to avoid and we can help you, but seems that you are at least partly confused atm

[molten egret]

nah alot of the time it might be sftp but they just call it ftp

[rare python]

As for ddos protection, to my knowledge tcpshield is basically the go to.

[simple garden]

I just wrote him to ask lol.

[twin lagoon]

tcpshield is cheap

[unkempt jackal]

isn't it kinda strange though that we say doxing for making a dossier on someone? where does the x come from?

[rare python]

And its not that hard to set up.

[twin lagoon]

"Doxing" is a neologism. It originates from a spelling alteration of the abbreviation "docs" (for "documents") and refers to "compiling and releasing a dossier of personal information on someone"

[molten egret]

I use ovh and most dosers are just trolls so it blocks them

[simple garden]

So he said it is dos not dox

I was wrong

[twin lagoon]

idk if you just use a decent host chances are you dont need any additional protection

especially if you're not getting a ton of players

[molten egret]

once someone dosed my server while it was offline, like wha?????

how do I make sure that my server doesn't have ftp enabled??

[placid thicket]

try to log into it with ftp

[magic river]

I'd still run, that just means they're sloppy or don't know the difference

[molten egret]

no but for novices sftp might be confusing

[pale hinge]

hi. is there any estimated release date for stable 1.19 build?

[molten egret]

so just calling it ftp or "file transfer"

[molten egret]

end of the year probs

[crystal lily]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[placid thicket]

the estimated release is don't ask or get ban

[pale hinge]

okay, didnt know that

[molten egret]

o it's allowing me to connect via ftp

[ripe sphinx]

eh I mean staff will give people 1 ask, maybe 2. Then they might kick you

[simple garden]

Oh I am on the tcpshield page. It is free for mini servers 20-30 players muhahahaha

[twin lagoon]

1.0 TB monthly bandwidth

this isn't exactly a lot

so you'll have to see if it works out for you

[simple garden]

Oh I didn't read that part... >.> I seen free lol

[molten egret]

how do I dissable normal ftp?

[dawn temple]

i dont understand. what alternatives are there to ftp?

[molten egret]

sftp

[rare python]

rsync

[dawn temple]

I use shockbyte which uses ftp and I've never had a problem

[simple garden]

Is 2.5tb for 100 players good

I did not mean to put 500

I mean 100

[twin lagoon]

2.5tb isn't exactly a lot either

[simple garden]

What is good for 100 players if you had to guess?

[molten egret]

2.5tb of what????

[twin lagoon]

the unlimited plan costs pennies at 100 players

[jagged egret]

ram

[placid thicket]

if they really are using ftp, your problem is that your u: & p: are transferred in plain text for anyone to see just because you havent been comped doesn't mean it wouldn't take seconds for someone to do

[daring ridge]

Probably unlikely to matter a whole lot most of the time; and you can always either upgrade for find another host if you need

[simple garden]

Bandwidth

[dawn temple]

whew okay so if I just change my password to something I don't use for anything and keep my server between friends like I already do, would it be safe?

Aside from the fact that anyone could hack the server, but they'd have to care enough to do so

which for a small server with friends with a private IP, seems pretty unlikely

[molten egret]

you should be fine with abt 100mbp/s

for 100 players

iirc a player uses like 100kb/s at most

[jagged egret]

they're referring to monthly totals

[molten egret]

oh

that's wierd

it should be per seconds

[jagged egret]

i'm sure tbps internet would be frighteningly expensive

no it shouldn't

the amount of data you use in a month is not a per second measurement

[daring ridge]

You'd have to be hooked into say Hurricane Electric directly to get that

[simple garden]

Tpcshield is gonna destroy my pocket lol

[molten egret]

just use alot of 1 gigabit network cards

[unkempt jackal]

you might be fine without dedicated ddos mitigation

[molten egret]

like 1000 of them

how do I yeet a rule with ufw?

[simple garden]

Lol so 1000gb network cards will save me from tpcshield lol

[molten egret]

it will overwhelm the cpu first

rather than your network cards

[daring ridge]

Yeah, your CPU or PCIe connection would, uh, die trying

[simple garden]

I am gonna need a nuclear reactor to power my server lol any1 selling 1 for cheap xD

[daring ridge]

1 Tbps is not something you just throw around

[void void]

Could someone walk me through this?

[jagged egret]

https://wiki.vg/Protocol#Chat_Preview
https://wiki.vg/Protocol#Chat_Preview_.28serverbound.29

[molten egret]

thx for telling me abt the downsides of ftp I blocked it with the firewall now

[ashen cliff]

SFTP my beloved.

[molten egret]

lol

[magic river]

You'd also have to modify the server list ping packet and whatever that new one is that sends all the same data as server list ping but on join

Because spigot forces previews to be disabled so the client won't try to use them

[indigo canopy]

why the hell spigot completely disabled it?

[jagged egret]

because a lot of servers have plugins that would conflict with that

[ashen cliff]

Because they still have to make the worst possible API for it?

[warm anchor]

Yeah

Gotta brainstorm the worse ways to do it @ashen cliff 😉

[ashen cliff]

Just like the resource pack API?

Oh wait.

[magic river]

The existing chat API wouldn't work well for preview unless you wanted the preview box to show all the extra crap you put on a chat line too

[slender surge]

fuck sftp

my ssh key has a passphrase which I cba to remove, and filezilla doesnt save ssh passphrases

hate

[magic river]

You'd need to make a new one that only modifies the message

[warm anchor]

You can use WinSCP @slender surge

Or make. Special user just for it

[slender surge]

I tried it once but it made me mad for some reason

[magic river]

WinSCP ftw, filezilla is also kind of ancient garbage

[slender surge]

filezilla sucks yeah

but there was some reason i gave up on winscp

ig i'll try it again

[indigo canopy]

Will paper have an API for previews?

[magic river]

Uh...

[ashen cliff]

Feel free to PR.

[magic river]

So doing previews right also ties in to doing chat "right" which is not at all how chat works right now

But doing chat right requires resource packs now so...

[jagged egret]

resource packs for chat?? interesting

[void void]

e

[magic river]

The client has a format string, something like %{teamName} <%{name}> %{message} and chat packets send those pieces which the client then assembles instead of sending a complete chat line

Changing that format string needs a resource pack

[void void]

Hi

[magic river]

That's being worked around right now by pretending all chat is actually system messages

Which also means you can't disable chat unless you disable all messages from the server

So ideally you'd want a new chat event that works with those three pieces instead of a complete chat line and ideally ideally you wouldn't be able to modify the message here unless previews were disabled because your preview event should have already formatted the message and you can't change it again without breaking the signature

[slender surge]

It doesn't save ssh passphrase either

[magic river]

Oh god root

[slender surge]

It's key-only authentication, no password

running on a non-standard port

as soon as someone tells me how thats insecure, I'll change

[spare venture]

so anyone who gets access to your computer has root access to your server??

[ashen cliff]

Yes.

[slender surge]

If someone has access to my PC I have bigger problems

[spare venture]

that’s insecure to me

[slender surge]

I don't expect the CIA to hack me

[spare venture]

you’d have less problems if you had a pass phrase

[slender surge]

I expect chinese servers to spam me with password requests

[jagged egret]

using root is bad practice

[spare venture]

right now your server and pc would be fucked. if you had a pass phrase, only your pc would be fucked

root is also bad, too

[slender surge]

im not running criminal stuff, nor fighting hackers. nobody is gaining access to my PC so they can access my server

[slender surge]

why though

answer is always just "because"

But if its key only, I dont see why

[spare venture]

lol

[slender surge]

Yet people use cockpit
"yeah thats fine"

[spare venture]

are you running processes and scripts as root?

[slender surge]

people use webmin
"yeah thats fine"

[slender surge]

no

[spare venture]

are you performing actions as root?

[slender surge]

yes but nothing that runs after I exit out

[magic river]

I mean, you can go hunting with an RPG but it's probably overkill and dangerous

Using root for daily tasks is similar

[spare venture]

more likely to have accidents if you’re doing everything as root

[slender surge]

Saves me su - ing
And allows the MobaXTerm SFTP console to work properly

[spare venture]

less likely if you have to sudo it, since you have that extra second to reconsider what you’re doing

[hushed gate]

gay

[jagged egret]

oh no, heaven forbid you have to type su

[slender surge]

If I wasnt root I'd sudo everything anyway

[jagged egret]

that's a terrible idea

[slender surge]

And if I su, then i'm root anyway

[spare venture]

why not just have your permissions properly set up

[slender surge]

So whats the problem

[magic river]

That means you're doing something wrong

[jagged egret]

running everything as root is a terrible idea

[magic river]

Most of your server maintenance shouldn't require root

[slender surge]

I'm not

Things run on diff users

[spare venture]

almost nothing should actually require root

[slender surge]

its legit just ssh

There is 0 difference between me logging in as root, me logging in as a user and using su -, and me running everything with sudo

[spare venture]

so we gave you a ton of reasons why it’s a bad idea and why generally root = bad for general use, something basically everyone in systems administration has agreed upon. but you still think you’re correct?

[slender surge]

I legit dont get why people act like its bad cos its bad

[jagged egret]

you shouldn't be doing any of those things

[spare venture]

running everything as su is bad too

[void void]

you arent running everything with sudo if youre running a minecraft server

in fact youre probably not running anything with sudo in this case really

[ripe sphinx]

or at least you shouldn't be

[spare venture]

if you have your permissions set up properly you should only have to use sudo/root rarely

[slender surge]

If the concern is "person hacks in and does stuff", then them logging into root vs them logging into a sudoer is exactly the same

[spare venture]

no that’s not the concern

the concern is you fucking up, running something as root that will fuck things up

[ripe sphinx]

sudo is only for like "I need to install something" or "I need to reboot" or "something specific is broken and I need root to fix it"

[magic river]

Anyhow, I guess I don't actually know how to make WinSCP save key passphrases

[grim island]

guys running the server on root account is perfectly safe like remember everyone cried about log4j, but I wasn't hacked therefore it's perfectly safe !! || /s /j ||

[slender surge]

I.e. the only tasks I do via SSH?

[void void]

apps are not supposed to be used in root just generally

[jagged egret]

not to mention you probably don't vet all the programs you're running as root, so if you accidentally run a program as root that doesn't need it that opens up the risk of that script doing malicious things

[slender surge]

Why else would I be sshing in?

I run my servers through ptero, I upload files with SSH

Legit the only time im SSHing is tasks which need sudo
Installing, fixing, rebooting

[void void]

i dont think you need sudo for sftp lmao

[spare venture]

maybe if everyone tells you that you’re wrong, you might be wrong

[magic river]

I only use WinSCP for things I just have passwords for actually, now that I look at it

But I also don't use Windows to do anything serious

[void void]

and i dont think java -jar paper.jar is root

[slender surge]

I use ptero

[void void]

or cron for backups

[slender surge]

my servers dont run as root

[ripe sphinx]

yeah cron can be ran as a normal user acc

[void void]

hm

[slender surge]

Its legit just ssh

and the only time I ssh is doing stuff that I'd need sudo for anyway

[warm anchor]

I mean as long as you keep things updated

[slender surge]

Yeah I have unattended-upgrades

[void void]

idk man its just one of those Things

[slender surge]

Again, if someone convinces me otherwise i'd change

[void void]

shruggg

[slender surge]

but until then its convinent

[slender surge]

😦

I guess I can just make a new ssh key

but im lazy

I dont really need sftp, I already have sftp via ptero for mc

this is just for apache, and even then I'd need to go and chown anything I upload to www-data

[unkempt jackal]

you see, I run my minecraft sever directly from my central nervous system, so any mistake I make results in tremoundous pain

[slender surge]

heheh

[placid thicket]

so we still on build 5? or somewhere else i should be watching now

[vestal spruce]

türk var mı beyler ?

[jagged egret]

english pls

[warm anchor]

Oh @void void I am not actually home so if you are talking to me on VC I can’t hear just wanna make sure

Left my account in that channel since yesterday lol

[void void]

I'm not 😠

[frank otter]

I just finished off a tough week of exams and in my infinite wisdom I decided the best way to relax would be to play Celeste b-sides

in hindsight I'm not sure why I thought this, because it definitely was not

[wide chasm]

Yeah, big mistake

Should play 1A again, that's very relaxing

[warm anchor]

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[warm anchor]

Did I miss any more Dota player in this server lol

[worn ember]

i hope they took some notes from arcane on story telling lmao

[twin lagoon]

fucking weebs

@void void uwu

[warm anchor]

Wtf Michael Dota is NOT a weeb game

[void void]

uwu

[magic river]

Wait there was a season 2?

I didn't even finish season 1, was bored to tears

[unkempt drift]

so when is jetbrains gonna get around to fixing gradle version catalogs showing up as errors in the UI...

[wide chasm]

Given the speed at which bugs are fixed, never

[unkempt drift]

I saw you typing DenWav... did you have a plugin for that?

[ancient bolt]

I have a plugin which fixes when you use them in the plugins block, but that's the only error I have in intellij anymore https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/18949-gradle-libs-error-suppressor

[foggy silo]

Oh nice, apparently MC added HRTF audio in 1.19.

[unkempt drift]

oh I'm getting them in the dependencies block

[ancient bolt]

are you running latest intellij and have you tried the repair IDE process?

[frank otter]

you were right, that was very relaxing

[ancient bolt]

when I do that it always fixes my errors

[unkempt drift]

oh does repair fix that?

[ancient bolt]

for me it does yeah

[unkempt drift]

I didnt try that yet

will do

[frank otter]

but also it felt much shorter lol I think I've gotten considerably faster than the last run I did

[ancient bolt]

jetbrains should really just implement some sort of background "repair IDE" process that's always running to automatically fix this stuff

I say "just" but it would be really hard to do efficiently, but still, the IDE should be able to know when shit is broken

[little frost]

@void void

[void void]

uwu

[worthy geode]

[warm anchor]

Ok you are now subscribed to Dota news

[worthy geode]

perfect

[void void]

hey hi

[worthy geode]

S2 was better imo, but the pacing is still weird. seems like the usual issue with valve putting some effort in it but not really enough

[vernal moth]

League > dota tho tbh

[worthy geode]

in terms of netflix adaptions yes

[warm anchor]

Ok let’s demote this German

Dota > league!!

In terms of gameplay