general

[radiant mantle]

Is that right?

[spare venture]

10GB is usually fine, 5-10 view distance 3 non-tick or whatever the buzzword is these days

[undone blade]

But I also have a resource pack and some ram hungry stuff

[worthy geode]

yeah that should work.
its still a really questionable setup but well

[ripe sphinx]

overall what I'm getting is vibes that you might find a hosting service easier if you throw a few bucks a month at it

[radiant mantle]

Ye lol

Ty

[undone blade]

yeah

defo

[radiant mantle]

What’s ur server for hoagie

[ripe sphinx]

like 4gb/mo is something like $3/quarter from pebble

[spare venture]

4GB was ok for a mc server like half a decade ago

[radiant mantle]

Joshie *

[undone blade]

lmao

[radiant mantle]

Lol

[ripe sphinx]

plugin count doesn't affect performance

it is a completely useless metric

[undone blade]

Whats my server for?

what ya mean 🙂

[ripe sphinx]

probably means what type of server

[undone blade]

Ah, Survival 🙂

[ripe sphinx]

i.e. smp, minigame, etc etc

[undone blade]

Survival with... lets say extras lmao

[radiant mantle]

Lol

Like what

I just started a 1.19 sml with some friends

[undone blade]

Too much time on my hands

[radiant mantle]

:o lmao

[rare python]

Looks like a hub server

[ripe sphinx]

I mean basically at this point it's impossible to run a plain old public SMP, you've gotta have some extra sauce in there to make yourself different

[rare python]

🤢

[radiant mantle]

Does anyone k ow how I can auto reboot my server at a certain time

[undone blade]

Its the lobby peter lol

[radiant mantle]

Ye I’m thinking of adding an economy

[undone blade]

Well

survival spawn

sorry

[jovial dust]

how tf

oh custom fonts

[undone blade]

Resource packs

and fonts yeah

[jovial dust]

i forget u can do that

[ripe sphinx]

Elite: you basically don't. Windows is a really crappy OS for servers

[jovial dust]

scoreboard logo is crazy

[radiant mantle]

Also does anyone know when chestshop 1.19 comes out it doesn’t have a discord

[jovial dust]

ewww chestshop

[ripe sphinx]

give it a few weeks

[spare venture]

lol just hide the quit button

[jovial dust]

dont wanna be that guy but try quickshops

[radiant mantle]

What else can i use

[jovial dust]

dont know if its updated yet

[ripe sphinx]

alt+f4 go brr

[radiant mantle]

Ok

[undone blade]

LMAO thats hillarious party

[jovial dust]

probably will take same time

[radiant mantle]

Is it better

Ok

[sleek tree]

How on Earth do you do this :0

[jovial dust]

yeah it just easier

[undone blade]

Quit button = Click if you SUCK

[radiant mantle]

Anyone?

[ripe sphinx]

Every plugin will need a feww weeks to update

[jovial dust]

it shows items above chest and whatnot

[undone blade]

just resource packs and alot of time @sleek tree

Like a year in my case

[ripe sphinx]

Especially since paper hasn't even updated yet, and the vast majority of them use paper

[radiant mantle]

Ah nice

[radiant mantle]

Paper dev is out today right

[ripe sphinx]

Nope. The paper API for 1.19 was published, but the server is still in the works

probably will be a few days to ~week before the initial public build is released, and then weeks until we get stable builds

[undone blade]

Then weeks before your favorite plugin devs fixes the plugins you need

[ripe sphinx]

(are my guesses at least, there is no official ETA)

[undone blade]

https://streamable.com/harrq0

Tool press!

ok im done showing off now

[ripe sphinx]

wow

[sleek tree]

This is actually insane

Man you know What the hell you doing

[foggy silo]

That is

really good

[ripe sphinx]

again, I'm always amazed what's possible with resource packs

[undone blade]

I didnt make the model just so you know xD

[ripe sphinx]

and that's some high quality RP stuff too

[undone blade]

but setting it up is fun 😄

It turns your tools back into like their raw mats

[ripe sphinx]

ah neat

I wonder how hard it would be to RP magic something along the lines of Tinkers Construct for vanilla clients

[undone blade]

Its already been done lol

I used to have it somewhere

[ripe sphinx]

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised lol

[undone blade]

I didnt want to add too much to my server though as i dont want it 'TOO' complicated lmao

[ripe sphinx]

heh yeah, that's a hard balance to strike

gotta be complex enough to be interesting, but not too complex to scare people off

[warm anchor]

Also time investment vs actual return

[ripe sphinx]

that too

[warm anchor]

There is an optimal point and any more pass that won’t give you the equal return

[undone blade]

https://streamable.com/4yrwgv

Yeah 100% I'm just too dedicated to doing stuff that people wont really appreciate like these animations, But I enjoy it anyhow lol

[worthy geode]

people appreciate attention to detail.
don't overdo it, but a bit never hurts

[radiant mantle]

Using quick shop can I make diamonds the currency? Or does it have to be fake stuff

[sleek tree]

What shaders ?

[undone blade]

BSL

[void void]

so it begins

[twin lagoon]

thank god

[undone blade]

lmao

Hopefully they replace it with a word like habbo hotel did 'bobba'

So, forgive me if im wrong, with all this chat signing nonesense, That would break alot of chat plugins right? And If i'm right, paper/spigot isnt including this feature so shouldnt be an issue?

[twin lagoon]

spigot fucks it up

paper will probably fix it

[void void]

speaking of, did we fix the double chat name thing yet?

have been a bit ootl on that

[sleek tree]

No go fix

[twin lagoon]

yes

[sleek tree]

Just kidding just kidding

[undone blade]

Crap... apparently something in 1.19 breaks negative space fonts

which is gonna royally MESS my RP lmao

[twin lagoon]

it's fixable

[worthy geode]

for realms I 100% support this

[fleet pelican]

т

[rare python]

wth

[void void]

Này các bro, các bro có thể cho biết khi nào mới có bản update papermc 1.19 không

[twin lagoon]

something something

no ETA

papermc 1.19 is not out yet

[spice plinth]

Lmao

[twin lagoon]

more importantly; speak english in an english-speaking discord

[spice plinth]

Just saw the announcement, good to know the people making papermc happen got/get the contributions we add

[fleet pelican]

Thats to me?

[twin lagoon]

no

[fleet pelican]

ok im sorry

[radiant mantle]

Anyone got any plugins where I can have a shop but the currrncy is diamonds

Cause chest shop and quick shot hsve fake currency for it

[spice plinth]

I forgot to put my discord ID on my contribution (or it didn't let me because it's monthly? Idk I didn't see a place to put it) I don't suppose I could get a role

[sleek tree]

Oh I did a single earlier, I didn’t see a part for that rip

[golden gust]

what was your name on there?

[sleek tree]

Scot_Survivor if I recall correctly

& I put my legal name for the receipt

[warm anchor]

Thank you for helping the project

[spice plinth]

I'm TheBotDev on there - same pfp as here lol

[sleek tree]

My pleasure

Y’all awesome

[golden gust]

Ty

[void void]

Thanks for your support

[worthy geode]

more people with hearts

[spice plinth]

Woo

[sleek tree]

Hahaha yay

[void void]

welcome to the heart squad

[sleek tree]

:)

PaperMC Ftw

[spice plinth]

Ty

[sleek tree]

PayPal makes things 10x easier

[spice plinth]

Agreed

Especially when I can connect my bot donations to it 🤣
People donate to me, I pass on to paper 😂

[sleek tree]

Ahahaha

[spice plinth]

I'd contribute to the code but I don't know Java 🤣
I'm a front-end developer so backend code is daunting xD

[rare python]

I'll probably donate once I actually get a job or something lol

[void void]

longest for me was like 14h lol

that seems healthy

[spice plinth]

Well if you're decent at Minecraft plugins most Java places should take you as at least a junior level dev 👍

[crystal compass]

What are yalls go-to dedicated server hosts

i dont think my ryzen 5 3600x is cutting it for 50 ppl online rn

[void void]

yes

[rare python]

There is still alot I don't know

[spice plinth]

I'd suggest shockbyte but I've only been using them 4 days so can't vouch for anything other than the ease of setup and their slightly janky UI lmfao

[sleek tree]

No

Bloom or dedicatedmc

Shockbyte isn’t the best choice

Shared cores on Xeons

[rare python]

And honestly I wanna do game dev at some point

[void void]

anything for paper updates ;)

[crystal compass]

im talking dedicated server, not shared hostin

[void void]

was more like 12, slightly less bad

[warm anchor]

Lower stuff more. You can do if no issue if it’s a dedi.

[crystal compass]

Fresh resourceworld is just killin the server rn

[warm anchor]

Did you pregen?

[rare python]

Pregen it

[warm anchor]

I also 1/4 mob on resource world

If it’s for blocks

That will also helps

[crystal compass]

I had a pregenned one and the chunks got all fked apparently. They wouldnt load at all only for the one world. So I had to delete it today. :/

[spice plinth]

I started when I was 15 doing web development as a trainee while still at school, almost 15 years later I'm a principal software engineer - never went to uni just learnt on the job, used experience to get the next job and so on

[crystal compass]

I was using chunky, do you recommend something else?

[rare python]

I'm a mad man who pregened a 200k void world

[warm anchor]

Chunky is the way to go

[crystal compass]

Weird. I wonder what happened

[rare python]

I actually had to use Minestom's NBT lib to do it, because doing it with chunky would have taken about a week

Because yes, Minecraft's world generation is still slow as... even if your generating nothing.

[spice plinth]

It's most likely the file system issue not being able to write the data fast enough

[golden gust]

Nah

[rare python]

No... It's not

[golden gust]

Thing is that mcs chunk system is just slow

[spice plinth]

Lol

[golden gust]

and plugins don't exactly take advantage of how the chunk system works too well

[spice plinth]

To be fair MC doesn't seem to have improved much since I first tried modding it

[golden gust]

but, tbqh, that would probs cause more issues than it solves

[crystal compass]

remember 1.12.2 performance 😍

[golden gust]

like, ideally you'd just do some form of fucking flood fill

[rare python]

Because using Minestom's NBT API I did it in a few hours

[spice plinth]

Is it chunk by chunk still?

[sleek tree]

to the test build causes my server to crash with 200 people, why?

/s

[golden gust]

but, then flood fills are a PITA at that scale

I mean, it's always gonna be chunk by chunk

[spice plinth]

I remember it being fun watching it fill a world like a typewriter on my old, slow computer xD

[golden gust]

writing region files directly, you can just create an empty chunk, and shove it into dozens of region files, just changing the coords

No need for fighting the ticketing system, etc

[twin lagoon]

@drifting elm 🥺

[drifting elm]

BEST @twin lagoon ❤️

[spice plinth]

> beta builds, not meant for production
Me: I wanna try it gimme frogs

[drifting elm]

oops double ping

[spice plinth]

Absolutely monumental effort

[true canyon]

@twin lagoon

[void void]

fun fact: that's actually a single ping

you can't reply without ping while also pinging that person

[twin lagoon]

🥺

[spice plinth]

Lol

[true canyon]

@void void Great! 🙂

[rare python]

Okay time to put this unstable build on my server, I'll make sure to disable backups

[drifting elm]

@void void interesting

[spark raven]

ok, if you HAD To run paper/spigot in production, which would you choose, paper or spigot

[twin lagoon]

on 1.19?

[spark raven]

yeah

[twin lagoon]

none

shit released 2 days ago there's no way it's making it's way on any production server

[spark raven]

Not exactly production, but my SMP is in beta with 1.19 spigot, only going to be open for staff/patreon.

[drifting elm]

paper

[twin lagoon]

that sounds like production

[void void]

staff/patreon
yeah that's prod

[rare python]

What do you mean? I'm uploading it to my server right now.

[true canyon]

I'd run the latest 1.18.x Paper

[rare python]

[drifting elm]

someone should paste the MIT license text

[spark raven]

naw paper 1.19 it is

nothing to lose

[warm anchor]

[true canyon]

._.

[worthy geode]

famous last words before disaster

[warm anchor]

Do hourly backup at least

Especially new map

[spark raven]

was planning on it

[rare python]

Minutely backup

[warm anchor]

If someone starts today and something get messed up tonight, it will be really bad for that someone

[hexed mist]

what the hell happened to my game

[warm anchor]

Wow the new graphic for cave and cliff part 3 is nice

[spark raven]

rn itll be staff only, and then ill open it to patreons tmrw or weekend

[hexed mist]

ikr

[warm anchor]

Is that 1.19?

[slender surge]

You know that 90% of the kids here don't know what "production server" means
And will run it and break shitlol

[spark raven]

Yeah.

Im using spigot rn and havent had any issues

[hexed mist]

yeah, i tried to use a resource pack that changed the shadows and, well, that happened

[spark raven]

already pregenerated most of the map.

[hexed mist]

game's been acting weird on me since yesterday

see? weird clouds

[void void]

Inb4 its the chunk loading

[foggy silo]

normal clouds

cloud UPGRADE

MEAT CLOUDS

[void void]

That’s been a bug for ages, random textures getting replaced

Meat clouds >

[rare python]

Spooget

[hexed mist]

maybe I just need to reinstall 1.19 or something i dunno

[rare python]

F3+T?

[hexed mist]

oh wow yeah

that fixed it

well, somewhat

[twin lagoon]

when you rename a file and it just disappears

ok windows

[warm anchor]

Perfect OS

[twin lagoon]

flawless honestly

[hexed mist]

some stuff is still broken... for some reason

[twin lagoon]

f3 + t

[worthy geode]

Exactly how I expected that to go

[hexed mist]

I did that, yeah

[hexed mist]

went from this to

[hexed mist]

this

[slender surge]

A bunch of plugins aren't ready yet anyway

E.g. essentials, dynmap

[void void]

Owen is working on a fix!

[slender surge]

Plus no point running experimental build if you aren't testing, gotta wait about a week for stable

[sleek tree]

^

Man with the facts

[worthy geode]

For the lighting or the IndexOutOfBounds? because im pretty sure the outofbounds is my fault

[foggy silo]

IllegalArgumentException

[warm anchor]

We putting all the chunk bug to leaf this year or not? I didn’t get the memo

[spice plinth]

Lmao

[golden gust]

The "data cannot be null" ones is known, and fix incoming, we figured that one out

The other one, full logs?

IOOB, idk wtf you did for that

[worthy geode]

Its the world, its taller than 320. pretty sure my datapack just isn't working right now and its confused about the additional chunk data

[spice plinth]

IOOB is now my favourite error acronym

[worthy geode]

gonna update the datapack and check, just takes a second

yeah, just mojang randomly moving settings around. not a Paper issue, its fixed

[spice plinth]

'Hmm, that setting would look much nicer over here'

[warm anchor]

I mean people don’t use level-seed let’s remove it

[void void]

gonna do rsync with snapshot as means of hourly backup

[grave stream]

tried the paper test version with an existing 1.18 world
and for some reason it just reset all of the chunks
like everything that was player built is just gone

[worthy geode]

they pretty much did that in 1.18.2 when they added # to bunch of settings, which usually means some sort of tag/list. But they did not add the tag/list functionality, just the #

[void void]

experimental build be damned i will have my paper

i accept the costs

[worthy geode]

upload the log somewhere (e.g. https://pastes.dev) and post it please

[lament patio]

Oo, per world configs

[worthy geode]

its nice, you can share a world with settings for that world now

[warm anchor]

Yes

[radiant mantle]

Anyone know how I can send anapplication to system tray on startup

[warm anchor]

@worthy geode no more where do I paste this and where for xray I hope…

[worthy geode]

people will still manage to mess that up

[void void]

p sure its a per application basis

[radiant mantle]

Wdym

[void void]

there isnt a global setting for it you have to configure it in the application if it supports starting up in the system tray on boot

on discord i know theres settings for that

[vestal roost]

it's bug finding time

[molten egret]

label them features

[vestal roost]

If you squint your eyes just hard enough

[molten egret]

yeah close all issues on github "intended gameplay"

[vestal roost]

wontfix intended gameplay

[molten egret]

lack of man power intended gameplay

[vestal roost]

i love community maintained Minecraft server softwares!!

/srs /lh

[molten egret]

when can I get cat role?

[radiant mantle]

How can I do that?

[void void]

depends on the app as i said

[radiant mantle]

I want to send an application to system tray on startup

The app is

A batch file lol

[void void]

oh huh

[radiant mantle]

I got the batch script to run on startup (cmd) I want it to then minimize and hide into the tool bar

Basically I want cmd to go into toolbar

[lilac moon]

https://twitter.com/TaxLawProf/status/1526763741139836928?s=19

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[radiant mantle]

Ooh but I’m using command prompt

Can I do that?

[twin lagoon]

the default command host is windows terminal in windows 11

[void void]

theres ways to run it in the background like & would be on linux that i know for sure

[twin lagoon]

so if you're using windows 11, command prompt is windows terminal

[lilac moon]

cmd.exe on linux

[void void]

system tray is antiquated stupid design anyway, gnome people were right

[lilac moon]

what's the alternative

[void void]

notifications

how android does it basically

notifications stay in the notification tray

[lilac moon]

hmm that just sounds more awkward

[void void]

not really

[lilac moon]

Its fine on a phone but weird on a. Computer

[void void]

what do you need the systray icon for

[lilac moon]

Opening the menu

[void void]

open the app? super+type the name of the app

whats in the menu

[lilac moon]

Uh idk how to screenshot it

But it has option to enable/disable netowkr, WiFi, and vpn

Macos does tray nicer

[void void]

i mean thats in gnome yes im talking about the per app trays

like steam having its own icon there

or telegram or something

[lilac moon]

well technically it is an app because nm-applet is separate, and also its not exclusive to gnome lol

[void void]

network manager is integrated into gnome tho

[lilac moon]

Yeah it would be nice to have persistent notifications for stuff like discord or steam

[lilac moon]

yeah, and other DEs too. Or you can even run the tray icon separately

I think most des use it

[void void]

idk if u get a discord message then you get a notification you can click on

if you need to just browse around in the app then open the app

[lilac moon]

Yeah but for it running in background

[void void]

why is a tray icon for it needed

[lilac moon]

Actually scratch that I hate running it in background

so yeah tray icon is useless for me since I always have it close completely

What's the tray icon alternative for like showing network and the menu like I was sayinf

[void void]

network is in the top right menu its necessary there yes

[lilac moon]

O yeah

And volume and maybe USB devices

[void void]

i was talking about per app tray icons which doesnt include network because having switches for network and vpns is quite necessary

[lilac moon]

yeah true

[void void]

wouldnt you use a file manager for this

[lilac moon]

idk

maybe

I use terminal because KDE doesn't have an option to unmount without disconnecting

[spare venture]

wtf

"age verification"

[magic river]

Either my ecobee is a dud or I broke my furnace

I now have no AC

The wiring on my thermostat was using the wrong colors for things so when I bought the ecobee I thought I had a common wire

Instead I had to go wire this adapter into the furnace control board but apparently I didn't hit the right breaker to disconnect the furnace, I got sparks

The board is supposed to be powered down when the door is open though so either the switch for that failed too or I was just discharging a capacitor

Either way I think the either the board is dead or the fuse on it is dead but now that I know it's possibly live I'm not sticking my hand in there to pull the fuse out

[spare venture]

ask spigot 🤷‍♂️

this is paper

[radiant mantle]

This isn’t here on windows 10

I just want it to go into my notification area / system tray at launch

It’s a run.bat file

[cedar stone]

the wires will still be hot even if the board self powers down thru a shutdown like that. the breaker will be the only way to make the wires hot

[magic river]

Are you sure you're using Windows Terminal and not cmd.exe?

[spare venture]

always dead test before touching wires

[magic river]

I didn't touch them, although they're only 24V AC so if I did it's whatever

[golden gust]

easy way to test if something is live I found is to lick it

[cedar stone]

if it sparked then it shouldve tripped the breaker for the furnace control

[magic river]

But when I was taking them out to run them through the adapter the common from the aircon touched another wire before it came out of the socket

Nope, because it's 24V AC and behind a fuse (afaik) before you get to the breaker

And the common and that are supposed to connect afaik, it's what your thermostat does to turn them on

[void void]

u can download it

[magic river]

So I'm not even sure if that was a bad thing or just a harmless arcing

Just calling an HVAC guy in the morning

I didn't trip a breaker anyway, first thing I checked

[cedar stone]

i use gloves i weld in to do shit like that lmao

really?

[magic river]

I think either the board is dead, the fuse on the board popped, or I just don't have things wired up right

[cedar stone]

then it probably wasnt as bad

like fried the board broken?

or just dead bc of fuse

[magic river]

One of those, I listed both as options 😛

[cedar stone]

i say glove up and get the fuse out. cussing usually helps after a shock!

[lilac moon]

ouch

[signal cedar]

Maybe yall should donate the excess money to Ukraine or some other cause instead of just keeping it

But thank you for being up front and transparent about it

[magic river]

They have monthly costs, it makes sense to build up a rainy day fund in case their monthly donations drop below that

[spare venture]

i think they've earned every donation they get

[magic river]

But if they get enough saved up leaf can get a new suit, those are expensive

[warm anchor]

[spare venture]

you could also donate every excess dollar you earn to ukraine 😄

[signal cedar]

I do donate money to Ukraine lol

[spare venture]

no, every excess dollar you ever make

[signal cedar]

That's not what I suggested

[magic river]

This you?

[signal cedar]

Wdym

[spare venture]

donate extra money you earn instead of keeping it

[signal cedar]

My point is, if I'm donating to support the development of a plugin, that's how I'd want my money to be used

[spare venture]

instead of supporting the person who made the plugin?

[signal cedar]

Maybe I misinterpreted it but from what I understand, they were like "okay everyone gets $1000" (or some other number) "now go buy a tv"

[spare venture]

why wouldnt you just donate to a ukraine fund

[signal cedar]

Lmao that's why I do that

I don't donate to plugins because I was worried about people doing literally exactly this

[spare venture]

no, it's more like "everyone who has invested thousands of hours into this project gets $1000, or less than $1/hr"

yeah how dare you support plugin developers

[signal cedar]

This

[cunning raft]

Okay lets just end this now

stop

[spare venture]

kk

[signal cedar]

👍

[spare venture]

how is the estimated annual budget calculated on opencollective?

[cunning raft]

pretty much however much money i spend on among us skins and hats times seven for good measure

[spare venture]

what about fortnite skins

[cunning raft]

fortnite is a baby game

all the cool kids play among us

[spare venture]

o

[lament kestrel]

it's me again

is that barty of bartyrealms and jroy of mineplex skript

[spare venture]

turn the b upside down plz

[lament kestrel]

i'm okay thank u tho !

[true canyon]

ρarty

[spare venture]

you draw b's weird

[cunning raft]

some may call him chad

(inside joke)

[warm anchor]

Seem like you guys are old friends

[spare venture]

friends is a little much

[golden gust]

and they where room mates

[warm anchor]

[lament kestrel]

what's up eternity

i remember u weren't you one of the airplane helpers

[dawn temple]

so my server is between a few friends and friends of friends

y'all think I should launch it before worldguard updates and I can protect spawn?

[lament kestrel]

do you trust your friends

[dawn temple]

I did spend a lot of time on spawn, but on the other hand, coreprotect has updated and I can easily roll it back and ban who did it should it happen to be griefed

i trust my friends

[golden gust]

I mean, if you mean 1.19, if you care about your world, wait

[lament kestrel]

then who cares

[dawn temple]

but i dont know their friends

[ripe sphinx]

if you mean on 1.19, I'd say no simply because 1.19 should still be considered incredibly unstable

[spare venture]

as long as it's a test server

[warm anchor]

Former yatopia and airplane mod

[dawn temple]

how so?

[lament kestrel]

yatopia

[dawn temple]

what are the risks

[ripe sphinx]

Entire server going poof

[lament kestrel]

remember me ? i was one of the admins

[worthy geode]

no need to protect the spawn if it gets lost in some chunk corruption anyways

[lament kestrel]

[magic river]

qarty?

[warm anchor]

Yea your pfp had changed

[spare venture]

mirror

[lament kestrel]

yeahhh i feel like a lot of people were messaging me for the wrong reason

[spare venture]

along the x axis

[lament kestrel]

along the x would be barty with the | on the other side

[magic river]

pfp

[warm anchor]

Understandable

[magic river]

[lament kestrel]

i am woman

[spare venture]

what

[fleet junco]

Ok

[molten egret]

O I have an idea

[spare venture]

across the x axis?

[lament kestrel]

x goes

__________

ud be flipping it back over

[spare venture]

i meant mirror b

[molten egret]

instead of calling your bat script directly call java to start the minecraft server

[dawn temple]

so about how long does it typically take for a version to "stabilize?" not asking when. not even asking about paper

[lament kestrel]

no eta

stop trying to get an eta

[dawn temple]

not asking about paper lol

[ripe sphinx]

weeks

[molten egret]

depends on what

[brave mountain]

Good night

[spare venture]

once every bug has been fixed

[magic river]

We once took a whole MC release cycle to stabilize CraftBukkit

[dawn temple]

dang

[magic river]

1.4 or 1.5 just didn't have an RB iirc

[ripe sphinx]

it'll probably be stable within 10 weeks

[molten egret]

yeah

[dawn temple]

whew

i think ill risk it

[molten egret]

like a 90% chance

[molten egret]

rn it's unplayable

[ripe sphinx]

I would highly recommend against running 1.19 if that's what you mean when you say you'll risk it

[dawn temple]

not planning to make this server commercial or anything and ill make frequent backups ofc

[spare venture]

i didn't update to 1.18 until 2 weeks ago

[magic river]

You definitely shouldn't be using something that isn't even a numbered build from the CI

[dawn temple]

but yeah whenever paper 1.19 releases for real is when I'll start the server

not these preliminary ones ofc, I'm not that dumb

[ripe sphinx]

I love how paper comes with a free supply of alpha testers

[warm anchor]

[dawn temple]

I'm only mostly dumb

[warm anchor]

If only Microsoft can get this many loyal tester for windows 11

[spare venture]

theyre trying

i get reminded every day

[warm anchor]

(It still begs me to update every week with a different layout

Lol

[lament kestrel]

you are all technically microsoft testers... just in production

[ripe sphinx]

yeah fucking w11 is a hot mess

[cunning raft]

its not that bad

[dawn temple]

haven't used w11 yet

[cunning raft]

few feature regressions

otherwise its not like w8

[worthy geode]

I use it since the insider builds, its fine imo

[warm anchor]

Can I move my taskbar yet?

To the right

[worthy geode]

no

[dawn temple]

honestly, out of all of the windows versions, w11 is one of them

[warm anchor]

So that’s a no upgrade for me

[spare venture]

i could use w10 until it loses ssupport

[warm anchor]

I’ve put my taskbar on the right hand side since windows 98

Ain’t changing that back ever

[spare venture]

weirdo

[worthy geode]

You are definitely crazy

[dawn temple]

okay but consider this: taskbar in the center

not center bottom

full on center

[magic river]

You mean a dock?

[dawn temple]

I'm talking align-items:center type deal

[worthy geode]

W11 does that by default with the icons in the taskbar

[warm anchor]

On some early games where in Window mode, if mouse cursor is too close to bottom, the taskbar will comes to the front, the solution is to put them on the side

[dawn temple]

or however you center a div

[austere ivy]

would be nice if Windows had a consistent design language. and only one settings app might be nice too

[worthy geode]

pro Win98 gamer moves

[ripe sphinx]

think he means like "where the minecraft chrosshairs are" type center lol

[magic river]

That stuff was mostly solved by Windows 98

[worthy geode]

oh god

[dawn temple]

and it persists through all your fullscreen apps

you know

for convenience

[magic river]

Windows 95 was a shitshow with games, half my games I had to drop down to DOS

[warm anchor]

god I hate task bar

I have it minimizes too

[worthy geode]

I wasn't even alive for 95 or 98

[warm anchor]

But yeah I roughly remember that was the main reason why my task bar isn’t at bottom

[dawn temple]

me neither. And I'm a legal adult

[magic river]

Putting it on the side on a 4:3 monitor meant I always had horizontal scrollbars in Netscape

[molten egret]

I think I have a 4:3 monitor

It might be square tho

[magic river]

Does your monitor weigh more than you do?

[molten egret]

Ehh

[worthy geode]

1:1 would be a very weird aspect ratio

[magic river]

If not it's probably not 4:3

Some laptops are 3:2

[molten egret]

Lemme send a pic it’s a popular monitor

[dawn temple]

Alright I'm just saying. 1:1:1 aspect ratio

otherwise known as THE CUBE

[molten egret]

Was all over school computer labs in 2015

[dawn temple]

I know it literally can't be 3d, just messin around

[magic river]

Yeah, 1:1:1 is pretty close to what CRTs were 😛

[dawn temple]

lmao true

[magic river]

Just a little wider than tall

Ok yeah I think that is 4:3

Also I think that thing can vote this year

[molten egret]

Oki

Can I proxy vote with it?

[worthy geode]

if it hasn't fallen off the table until the next election, it looks uncomfortably close to the edge

[molten egret]

I use an old Radeon graphics card so that I can plug it in

[molten egret]

No it weighs too much

[magic river]

It's not DVI?

[golden gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ScUjHWUL34

[molten egret]

The dvi is either broken or my cable is

I used to use the dvi just fine with HDMI

[worthy geode]

im dumb and I bought displayport -> hdmi cables. for the third time, because they break pretty quickly. even though I got a displayport monitor now

[molten egret]

The USB ports on this thing are great for charging my ti 84

[magic river]

Right, DVI-D to HDMI is just a pin adapter

[molten egret]

Yeah

05:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Cedar [Radeon HD 5000/6000/7350/8350 Series] <- 3rd video card

[warm anchor]

Still better than old days where literal adult breaks PS/2 ports and wasted a literal good mouse / keyboard

[coarse lily]

@warm anchor

[warm anchor]

Hi oreopotpie

[coarse lily]

pls

[molten egret]

the windows 7 days were fun

ig I am still kinda in them with my video card from my old pc xD

[worthy geode]

I really disliked win7, it looked so bad

[molten egret]

windows 10 is ehhh

[worthy geode]

the whole playful, colorful design that was a trend in the late 2000s was so ugly

[molten egret]

windows 11 is a shithole

[molten egret]

I loved the blue thing

12 fps mc

wait I have windows 7 on this drive

[worthy geode]

I think 11 looks pretty good. its missing features, but the design isn't bad for a MS product

[molten egret]

wait no I bricked it with my ubutntu install

[molten egret]

the right click menu doesn't have copy or smth

I was helping someone with dolphin

[magic river]

It puts cut/copy/paste in a bar of icons

[molten egret]

and you have to click a special button to return to the old right click menu

I wana right click then copy

[magic river]

That only show up when you have something selected you can cut/copy or are able to paste a clipboard entry

[worthy geode]

yeah, the menu is a bit annoying for mouse use. I wish they added a setting for it outside of the registry

[magic river]

They have copy still though

[molten egret]

they just keep layering the things

like controll pannel still has alot of things that settings doesn't have

[magic river]

They want those to be regedit only or not even be things you can change anymore but can't because compatibility

They didn't just forget about them, they intentionally abandoned them

[molten egret]

I'm not happy with my ubntu install either

the package manager is nice

[worthy geode]

only thing that was the old control panel I remember are stuff like device settings for individual devices. the main control panel isn't really visible anywhere

[molten egret]

.debs are nice but so much of the system can't be configed with a gui

I can't even set default programms

I need to make .desktop files or smth

[magic river]

You set default programs by right clicking the file you want to change the default for and going to open with

[molten egret]

yeah it's clutch in those scenarios

[golden gust]

I've used ubuntu for servers for like, years upon years

[molten egret]

I have too

[magic river]

Ok yeah if you're trying to make it open with something that doesn't have a .desktop file you can't do that

[golden gust]

I just don't think that as a desktop it really holds up vs arch

[molten egret]

ye

[magic river]

But if a GUI app doesn't have a .desktop file you didn't get it from Ubuntu

[golden gust]

not that arch doesn't have its own nightmares

[molten egret]

ubuntu software is a shithole imo

the apps are all wierd

[golden gust]

Canonical is pretty much the definition of NIH lol

[molten egret]

nih?

[golden gust]

not invented here

i.e. mir, unity, etc

[molten egret]

eh wat?

[grand vault]

hey does viaversion/viabackwards need to get installed on the proxy or just all the paper servers?

[magic river]

Err, do you mean the software store thing or do you mean the apps you get on ubuntu to do things?

[molten egret]

no

the software store

the apps are also often kinda odd

[golden gust]

I mean, the apps are just the joys of open source

[magic river]

Proxies usually support like 1.8-1.19 or 1.12-1.19

[coarse lily]

I run SCO linux as my desktop

[golden gust]

Devs generally aren't amazing at UI, tbqh

[molten egret]

all apps in the package manager are great

[coarse lily]

Like all the cool kids.

[magic river]

So as long as the server can speak a protocol the proxy is fine

[golden gust]

and rewriting the UI is generally a huge challange nobody wants to get into

[molten egret]

oh and the screen shot thing doesn't have anything on windows

[magic river]

?

[molten egret]

snipping tool is better than this thing

bruh

[coarse lily]

cat do you run Linux desktop full time on your main machine?

[molten egret]

the icon for the app dissapears when I'm using it

[coarse lily]

Even after all these years I don't think it's worth it / has a workflow that works for me.

[golden gust]

No, I stopped maining linux a few years ago

[grand vault]

sorry, having difficulty understanding what this means? where should i install the JARs?

[molten egret]

on the server iirc

[golden gust]

if the proxy can speak 1.19, you don't need it on the proxy for 1.19

you can just shove it on the backend servers and get better performance

[grand vault]

my proxy is 1.19 I want to go back to 1.12 or whatever backwards goes back too

okay

servers

[molten egret]

my proxy speaks exceptions to me

[viral hornet]

CONFIG CHANGES ARE VERY HOT

thank you for listening

[magic river]

This looks pretty much just like Windows 11 to me

I mean, the UI is different but functionality the same

And there is no app icon?

Not sure what you're looking at

Well, I guess there is one if I search for screenshot but just hit print screen

[molten egret]

that's the win 11 one?

[magic river]

GNOME

[molten egret]

mine dont look like that

mine is a dotted border

with a crosshair on the bottom right corner

https://support.content.office.net/en-us/media/306267e6-253b-df4f-8a77-cc714bb7a149.png this is goated

[magic river]

They didn't delete that old junk yet?

[molten egret]

the delay was a great feature

junk?

[magic river]

Win-Shift-S

[molten egret]

the great part is that it would freeze your screen excatly where it was then you would pick the part you liked

[magic river]

Yeah Win-Shift-S

[molten egret]

idk

I always launched it from the start menu

[magic river]

No no, try it

[molten egret]

and used a delay if I need something

[magic river]

Win-Shift-S is the thing that replaced snipping tool

[molten egret]

on ubntu rn

[queen swift]

Problem with the Win-Shift-S is that there is no delay

[molten egret]

yeah

[queen swift]

Delay was usefull sometimes

[magic river]

You don't need a delay, you can trigger it whenever and it freezes the screen

[molten egret]

the gnome one doesn't freeze the screen

[magic river]

Yes it does

You must be an nvidia user

[molten egret]

I am

[magic river]

X11 trash

[molten egret]

;-;

[queen swift]

fact

[molten egret]

I don't think nvidia does wayland yet

[wind geyser]

Snip and sketch

Or my personal favorite. ShareX

[cyan quartz]

Does anyone know what are experimental builds

And how many there is

[warm anchor]

read #❗ 1.19

it has all the information you need

[glossy trellis]

Excuse me

I have the 1st experimental build

I deleted paper.yml because I heard there was a new config or something and I thought it would cause problems

Its not coming back

[golden gust]

new configs are in the config folder

also, update.

(Theres also migration logic for existing configs)

[glossy trellis]

Damn

Really wish I kept that

Wait a min

I dont think I deleted it

Does it automatically migrate or something?

[golden gust]

yes

[unkempt drift]

well hopefully 🙂

[ripe sphinx]

in theory it does

[glossy trellis]

I think im good

I was just trying to get Anti Xray

[void geyser]

Is there a mod/texture that replaces bow with a violins?

[spare venture]

usually super niche stuff requires you to do it

[frail trail]

first time i had ever opened minecraft 1.19 and i spawn in the middle of a villager outpost.

[abstract osprey]

http://ismycomputeron.com/

Thank me later

[slate seal]

It told me no. Welp.

[vestal roost]

That's a good sign

[frail trail]

i had to run for a while so they'd stop following me

[midnight copper]

I wish I had the troll strength enough to ask for an eta now that the builds are already out

but I don't have it in me to act that stupid

[midnight copper]

this site lies

your computer could be off and you could be on your phone

[minor anvil]

I don't think I'm excited for 1.19 anymore only because of the chat

Will all plugins lose support for & § formatting?

[unkempt drift]

nope. but you shouldn't want to use those

minimessage (and alternatives) offer a much better string chat formatting system

[minor anvil]

What if I didn't want my server to read client messages and run in legacy?

[glossy trellis]

w-what?

[unkempt drift]

for example, the 6 configurable messages in the paper config file can no longer use those symbols. it uses minimessage

messages:
  kick:
    authentication-servers-down: <lang:multiplayer.disconnect.authservers_down>
    connection-throttle: Connection throttled! Please wait before reconnecting.
    flying-player: <lang:multiplayer.disconnect.flying>
    flying-vehicle: <lang:multiplayer.disconnect.flying>
  no-permission: <red>I'm sorry, but you do not have permission to perform this command.
    Please contact the server administrators if you believe that this is in error.
  use-display-name-in-quit-message: false

[glossy trellis]

my server is working fine

so

[minor anvil]

So if the configs use this system, that doesn't mean the old system is [fancy word for a function that has lost support] right?

[unkempt drift]

yeah, the new config is just for the paper config files

[minor anvil]

Okay thank you so much for clearing that up

[warm anchor]

it will be nice if all plugins follows though

[minor anvil]

I really don't want to reconfigure 50 plugins

Lol

[warm anchor]

you dont already do that each major update? you need more plugins!

[unkempt drift]

well they should do it automatically themselves

like paper does

[minor anvil]

I agree but that's the only real downside

[minor anvil]

I just made my server half a month ago

[warm anchor]

its a baby

[minor anvil]

I'm planning on maybe purchasing this plugin which can replace a bunch of the plugins I already have

[warm anchor]

You should look for open source plugin with large followings. They usually update faster and its free unless it's a very niche thing you are looking for

[minor anvil]

True I'll probably focus on researching those yeah

[unkempt drift]

pls no CMI

[minor anvil]

It was CMI

My main issues rn are actually being able to sit on shop displays and shop disays nit showing item name holograms

So I was thinking just replacing those plugins with one plugin

[warm anchor]

I like how MM can actually guess which plugin instantly

[lilac moon]

mini message or something

[void void]

it was so simple you had to go look up the colour codes on the wiki every time

[radiant mantle]

?

Does anyone have a good plugin that is like chestshop and it uses gringotts to make the currency diamonds instead of fake money

[pliant smelt]

Why did most of the English-speaking servers put LGBT flags on the avatar? Or is it just my luck? XD

[unkempt drift]

using & in chat was never a vanilla feature

that was added by some plugin you are using

its not even a plain spigot/paper feature

and it can still be added

why are people thinking you cant color chat anymore?

[hollow hedge]

it is pride month

[light bronze]

Just wanted to pop in and say thank you to everyone who contributes to PaperMC. You guys are great and I appreciate the work y'all do. ❤️

[grim island]

it's pride month https://ecom.ngo/news-ecom/pride-month (rus)

doesn't essentials also plans to switch to uuuh adventure

[pliant smelt]

thx!

[wraith trail]

For 1.19 the announcement about minimessage is just regarding components in paper configuration files, nothing else. Plugins can still implement whatever they want

The big thing this allows is sending proper translatable components to the client where applicable (this is the default in most places, now) while previously this was either just sending them always the English localization, or doing some hack such as checking if the configured value matched the English localization and sending the translation key if that was the case. Now the defaults are explicit

[void void]

has anyone gotten preview chat working?

for some reason it hasn't been working for me on spigot or paper

[unkempt drift]

spigot disables it entirely

[vernal moth]

You can implement it yourself with packets tho

[worldly flare]

hi

[gritty arch]

bye

[worldly flare]

what is the best chat plugin for 1.18?

[gritty arch]

Chatty and ChatSentry

[worldly flare]

O.o

[gritty arch]

o.O

[worldly flare]

thanks :p!!

[daring laurel]

@magic river A few days ago I saw you saying how sponge is such a great and flexible platform, so I thought I’d give it a try. After a day or two, I see why bukkit stays so popular: The bukkit community is gigantic, between all the forks and what not, so if you have an idea now, odds are it was done 10 years ago, and wrote about on some forums.

Sponge really doesn’t have that. They have docs (which aren’t up to date with the latest minecraft release) so you can’t really refer to them. Next idea would be to ask in their help channel. But its a very different experience from spigot where most things will get an instant response, there, you have to wait hours, and there are very few if any experienced users. It seems like the maintainers are the main people who know whats up.

After that, I really don’t can’t make a plugin If there are no up to date guides, and no real resources to help me past just reading the test code.

What are your thoughts on that?

[magic river]

Big community is big is very tautological but sure, that's true 😛

[sleek tree]

what perm do I need to get #adorable-pets 👀; because I have an adorable kitty

[mental meadow]

proof

[magic river]

I wonder how much Dinnerbone being available all the time to help because he was doing it as a full time job helped with growing the Bukkit developer community

[daring laurel]

what does tautological mean?

[signal harbor]

I assume I shouldn't use experimental builds for my server or does it not really matter?

[fickle rain]

Bukkit has a really strong api too

[daring laurel]

so does sponge

[void void]

you shouldn't use them on non-testing servers yet

[magic river]

Bukkit has a really shit API 😛

It's missing major things and the things it does have are generally poorly done

[void void]

(Take it from one of the people who made it (Amaranth) ^)

[fickle rain]

Damn you legacy

[signal harbor]

alright so I should wait a few more days or whatever

[sleek tree]

Even got a bonus kitten photo

13MB

[magic river]

I think the most complete/stable version of Sponge is still 1.12 though

[daring laurel]

I disagree, I think its really great to het going and has programming concepts most people understand from other languages. Learning sponge requires learning a whole new coding style

[mental meadow]

We will announce when we thing it's more ready for non-test servers

[daring laurel]

Why would I want to develop against legacy, ew, gross

[mental meadow]

acceptable

[sleek tree]

Thank you :)

[magic river]

Sponge is too complicated for what it's doing but the concepts are called game development

Like, sure, making games is somewhat different from everything else, but you're making a game

[mental meadow]

Sponge is epic, they just fell behind once and are catching up ever since. But the current Sponge API is for 1.18.2 iirc

[magic river]

Don't try to treat making a game like making a CRUD app for work

[signal harbor]

alright will it be a while based off previous times or no eta still

[daring laurel]

I understand the concepts but I just think this completely new style of programming will only work if they have people that are willing to help out

[lavish path]

looks like the paper 1.19 still laggy but its fine coz I can play 1.19 already

[void void]

don't use it on any production servers yet please!

[sleek tree]

^

[magic river]

Right, and that gets back to Dinnerbone being a full time employee helping people get up to speed with Bukkit and work on it

That helped kickstart the community a ton I'm sure

[daring laurel]

Exactly yeah, you hwve to be there to push the community, sponge really doesn’t have that as much as is necessary

[magic river]

It also helped that the people most interested in using it were familiar with hMod and modding MC directly and Bukkit's "API" is just a thin wrapper around exactly how MC works

Right but I can't really fault Sponge for not having a full time devrel employee

Someone could pay for there to be one but otherwise... ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[daring laurel]

No, I completely agree, but it really takes away from the experience is what I’m saying. You could make the best darn api ever, but if you are the only one that knows how to use it, and you only document chunks of it, nobody will want to use it.

Especially when there is something much easier already on the table (spigot)

[magic river]

hehe, bukkit API has some awful documentation

But there is probably a plugin using whatever you're trying to call already so you can learn from example

[daring laurel]

but they have such a large community that almost any question someone will instantly answer

[magic river]

Unless that API is worldgen or conversations

Or metadata or services

(stay away from those)

[daring laurel]

luckily nobody makes those things

what is a metadata or services api?

[sleek tree]

Yes.

[daring laurel]

if by metadata you mean pdc api, theres a great guide on it that is still accurate to this day

[magic river]

I wrote some of that Bukkit API documentation, I still have no clue what setCustomNameVisible() actually does

But I put that API in there and put a little javadoc on it

[daring laurel]

toggles whether the custom name is visible?

its pretty self explanatory

[magic river]

I don't mean PDC API, I mean metadata

[daring laurel]

was it not taken over by pdc api?

or are they two different things

[magic river]

I'm pretty sure it didn't actually toggle the custom name visibility like you'd want though

There was something weird with it, people kept coming on IRC expecting it to do something it didn't

And no one ever put in the effort to figure out exactly what it was changing (if anything)

[daring laurel]

the beauty of open source

[magic river]

Custom name in this case means named pets and such

Most of the javadocs are like that though

Method is called setFoo() and the javadoc is just like Sets foo on an entity

The only thing Bukkit and forks have going for them is community size/inertia

[sleek tree]

Maintained open source software is incredible

Unmaintained is a f-ing nightmare.

and fork chains be a kill

[magic river]

Like, every other alternative is a better at this point

Sponge is Bukkit but done better, Fabric and Forge don't have much (or any) API but people try to bypass most of that API and call internals anyway since the API is so bleh

They embrace that instead of making you jump through hoops

[daring laurel]

And thats enough. Because If I want to get my dev env working and it stalls in intellij, I post a question in their discord and I dont get a response back for 2 days. I will leave and never come back.

[daring laurel]

If you make something cool, and other people think its cool. Odds are they will stay around.

then you just get the ball rolling

[daring laurel]

Developing anything for raw fabric/forge is crazy to me. No api+no event loop, so you know you will probably mess up what someone else is doing

[sleek tree]

Blender for example

Massively open source

[daring laurel]

“event loop” in big quotes, I know fabric and forge have an event loop, but its nothing near as comprehensive as spigots

[sleek tree]

Industry wide

OBS is another beautiful software.

Paper ofc

[daring laurel]

isnt blender a full company lol

[sleek tree]

Yeah a lot of open source projects turn into foundations at some point

You get benefits etc

Cause if you get too many sponsorships it axtually becomes income

Which is taxable. Even if you give it to charity

🤷‍♂️

not that blender does that as far as I know

[daring laurel]

I mean yeah, there are tons of good open source projects. But most of those are due to the community. Once you cut out the community, if you have no one to speak for you, very few new users will be able to figure out problems along the way

[sleek tree]

Agreed.

[unique matrix]

so, still having the problem with the tnt duper 😦

[rare python]

Paper Foundation

[mental meadow]

literally scp

[sleek tree]

Imagine

[sleek tree]

scp @your host:/all-your-secrets-dir @my host:~/

[fickle kelp]

guys which do you think is a better plugin? Dynmap or bluemap?

[mental meadow]

I wouldn't say bettter, but imo Dynmap is less bad for performance :'D

bluemap looks epic though

[viral hornet]

I feel like they're pretty different though

Bluemap is a lot more epic to navigate

[mental meadow]

camm!!

[viral hornet]

I used to run Dynmap but yeeted it for squaremap & bluemap

aurororororora

[fickle kelp]

i wanna choose one that takes up less storage

i have a world that goes 10k in each direction, so it shouldnt take up that much space even if the players load everything

[sleek tree]

Square map I believe is the least storage hungry.

[fickle kelp]

yeah but isnt it 2d?

[sleek tree]

Yes as is dynmap?

[fickle kelp]

dynmap is 3d, you can see things from the side

[sleek tree]

Ahh

[fickle kelp]

Squaremap is a view from on top

[viral hornet]

yes

[coarse venture]

Yesterday we did a spigot 1.19 test with 50 villagers and 10 pillagers, spike spike spike and tps drop to 17. Took 10+ minutes for things to smooth out. Just tried the same with 120 villagers and 20 pillagers on exp4 1.19 from paper, and tps hasn't dropped yet.
Looking promising again as always

[rare python]

Dynmap eats performance

I'm working on my own replacement to it which works in a very different way, and it updates live, and will hopefully cause less lag.

[dry horizon]

i placed the jar in my server and this is what I saw in the console

[mental meadow]

well I mean it tells you what the issue is

[crystal lily]

https://docs.papermc.io/java-install-update

[dry horizon]

aight ty

[dry horizon]

yes but im using a host

[mental meadow]

Then you need to figure out where to set that with your host

[dry horizon]

ok

[rare python]

I would switch to SquareMap but I have plugins that need dynmap's API

Which is why my plugin will implement dynmap's API.

Hooray for cross plugin compatibility.

[grand pewter]

why do that when you could write a proxy plugin that provides dynmap api but proxies it to squaremap 😛

i did something like that for dynmap -> bluemap at one point for fun and i managed to get some plugins to work

squaremap is more similar though so i imagine itd work better

[rare python]

Yes but my map will be live updating which makes it cooler

And a live updating map is especially cool because it's gonna go on a movecraft-like server

[wide chasm]

Memes in #gifs-and-memes please

[primal solar]

That could have been a sincere request

[rare python]

Unlikely

[primal solar]

😳

[kind heart]

stable 1.19 when?

[crystal lily]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[primal solar]

In so many years has paper ever answered that question

[signal cedar]

What is a patch? I've usually heard people use it to mean patching an exploit or something. What does it mean when they say 750 out of 900 patches? Does that mean 750 bugs? Or something else?

[mental meadow]

So, Paper itself is not really a "programm" or anything, instead it just takes Spigot and puts a bunch of patches on top of it. A patch is a file that tells git "hey, please modify the file X at line Y with the following code"
A simple one would look like this: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/blob/master/patches/server/0097-Add-server-name-parameter.patch

[light wren]

protocol lib doesnt work with orebfuscator, is there a fix to that?

[signal cedar]

Ah ok

[mental meadow]

And while updating what we have to do is look at every single one of the patches that are Paper, and either only have to make sure it still works properly & maybe change the lines where it needs to insert our code, or we completely have to reformat/rewrite the specific patch to make it work again

[signal cedar]

Wow that seems like a huge pain lol

[mental meadow]

Use Paper antixray instead of Orebfuscator, performs better and works better

[signal cedar]

Depending on how badly Mojang broke things in the new update

[light wren]

i understand that but its not out for 1.19 yet

[mental meadow]

Don't use 1.19 on production

[light wren]

ik

[mental meadow]

Yes and no, most small patches apply automatically and git will handle everything for us, but most of the bigger patches or the ones that change a lot of stuff - like a lot of the paper performance patches - need to have quite a bit changed

And only after that we can actually, you know, test for bugs and stuff

[signal cedar]

Yeah fs

At least 1.19 didn't change a lot of stuff behind the scenes afaik

[mental meadow]

It did

[signal cedar]

Nvm then lol

[mental meadow]

You can look at https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/commit/d7cc306336b28e3287ff9fcdd6b8cc709468320f for example. most of the patches changed in there are only moved around or have the blobs updated, which happens automatically, but the big patch at the top (the one that doesn't load automatically) had to be manually adjusted

[vernal moth]

Well, it's still comparatively a small update, just the chat stuff is fun to deal with

[mental meadow]

And thats pretty much the entire update process^^

[vernal moth]

Cause they also refactored the internal API for components (it's now more similar to adventure ^^)

[mental meadow]

Take patch, see if it applies, if it does yay, if it doesn't fix it, on to the next patch. Repeat ~900 times

[signal cedar]

Is it cause the mini message introduction?

[signal cedar]

That seems..... repetitive

[vernal moth]

No, Mojang changes

Adding MiniMessage wasn't hard

[signal cedar]

Thank you for all your hard work

Ah ok

I mean in general tho

[mental meadow]

Programming usually is repetitive imo
But you pull your hair out when random stuff doesn't work for some reason so that keeps it exciting

[vagrant marlin]

programming is really repetitive especially for a beginner

else if else if 🤤

[mental meadow]

Which is the reason why Github CoPilot works so great, lots of patterns it can easily recognize and pick up

[vernal moth]

Copilot slows me down more than it helps tbh

[mental meadow]

yeah but thats just you :p

[primal solar]

Aren't you guys ignoring those

[vernal moth]

Also wdym repetitive, I enjoy changing one thing, running tests, changing one thing again, running tests,... until everything is green.....

[vagrant marlin]

also, just realized that playerjumpevent is a paper thing

[mental meadow]

no

[vagrant marlin]

why the fuck isnt that in the bukkit api ????

what the fuck

its such a simple thing

[primal solar]

Spigot didnt change anything in terms of events I believe so are you guys only doing some non api changes regarding it

[signal cedar]

Haha yeah it's always so interesting to find new better ways to do things, I used to do input validation by locking the user in a while(true) loop and only breaking them out when they said the right thing, read logic is easier now that I know how to do it lol

And I imagine most programming is like that

[mental meadow]

We still have to adjust everything to work with it, even if we don't adjust any events or anything like that

[vernal moth]

It's so fuuuun

[vagrant marlin]

me when i discovered switch cases 😲 😲

thankfully i picked that up early

[primal solar]

Mini's got a lot on his plate right now so I mostly understand things

[vagrant marlin]

hangar: coming some day™

[primal solar]

Hangar is gonna be really good imo

[rare python]

1.20 will release before hangar.

I challenge mini to prove me wrong.

[signal cedar]

What's hanger? I googled it but nothing turned up

[crystal lily]

To follow the development of our upcoming plugin repository Hangar join the Discord: https://discord.gg/zvrAEbvJ4a

[rare python]

Paper equivalent of Spigot's "Resources" section.