general

[magic river]

The bands of color are the different LOD levels

It's really hard to summarize voxel data

[worthy geode]

seems to work very similar to that demo

[drifting aurora]

Fatal amount... lol....

Reading how cursed Minecraft has became...lol

[simple garden]

so far that is my mod list

Is there a way to put a shortcut of my 1.18.2 instance on my desktop

[edgy egret]

Spigot is better than paper @quasi valley

paper is only good for people who have survival servers

[worthy geode]

👀

[twin lagoon]

i'll take whatever you're smoking

[edgy egret]

Maybe if paper did enhancements for pvp or added an option to modify pvp hits and how they work it'd probably be better

[twin lagoon]

is this 1.8

[edgy egret]

i have a 1.8 server but i do use 1.17 to 1.18 cause the 1.8 is just for 1 single server but i'm not talking about 1.8

    "maxHitsPerSecond": 4,
    "maxHitsPerSecondRegularGapple": 4,
    "maxHitsPerSecondGodGapple": 4,
    "wTapKnockbackAddition": 1.0,
    "knockback1Addition": 1.0,
    "knockback2Addition": 2.0,
    "punch1Addition": 1,
    "punch2Addition": 2,
    "friction": 2.0,
    "vertical": 0.35,
    "verticalMax": 0.4,
    "verticalExtra": 0.085,
    "horizontal": 0.35,
    "horizontalExtra": 0.425,
    "maxComboHeight": 256.0,
    "comboVertical": 0.35,
    "minComboHeight": 0.0,
    "bowFriction": 2.0,
    "bowVertical": 0.35,
    "bowVerticalMax": 0.4,
    "bowHorizontal": 0.35,
    "snowballFriction": 2.0,
    "snowballVertical": 0.35,
    "snowballVerticalMax": 0.4,
    "snowballHorizontal": 0.35,
    "rodFriction": 2.0,
    "rodVertical": 0.35,
    "rodVerticalMax": 0.4,
    "rodHorizontal": 0.35

[twin lagoon]

that's not built into spigot

[edgy egret]

imagine adding something like this in 1.18+

[twin lagoon]

nor would anyone care about that on 1.19

like if someone remotely cared about knockback settings for pvp shenanigans on 1.19, someone would've implemented it already

[edgy egret]

well it would be nice to have options such as this in 1.17+

[lilac dagger]

martian kush

[worthy geode]

has rewritten the combat system in 1.18
🤔

there is nothing actively stopping you from forking paper and adding the same config options for combat

[edgy egret]

only pvp that don't care about pvp in 1.9+ are server owners who are earning money off their servers a lot of it and pvp who don't know how to pvp and couldn't care any less

[ripe flower]

Hi!

Should i use hetzner cloud, server auction servers or what if budget is around 20-35€? Why hetzner because they have datacenter in finland...

[manic vapor]

ru high rn or

[worthy geode]

There are plenty of good PvP players who like 1.9+ pvp

because its not just who can spam click faster

[ashen cliff]

Probably best to go for auction servers.

[edgy egret]

having shields and cooldowns doesn't mean you're good at pvp lol

[twin lagoon]

having an autoclicker doesn't mean you're good at pvp either

[lilac moon]

My skills are

[worthy geode]

breaking your mouse to achieve maximum cps also doesn't

[edgy egret]

i don't use auto clicker but i've beaten people who do legit

[ripe flower]

I like when people flexing their cps

[edgy egret]

that's what anticheats are for

[lilac moon]

autoclicker doesn't really help much unless you can't even click consistently lol

[edgy egret]

exactly

[manic vapor]

@edgy egret if your gonna complain theres a nice thing called leaving the discord

[waxen panther]

🤓

[twin lagoon]

the argument you're trying to make makes no sense though

[worthy geode]

Its still minecraft PvP so people should stop taking it as seriously as CS or something.
But 1.9+ PvP is fine

[twin lagoon]

you're saying spigot is better than paper

[lilac moon]

anyways I don't care about PvP anymore

[waxen panther]

🥸

[twin lagoon]

and then you're coming with something that does not exist on spigot nor paper

[lilac moon]

maybe its for the better

[lavish compass]

Hetzner has quite bad network in finland from what I've heard

[twin lagoon]

hetzner has bad networking in general

[lilac moon]

wtf how

[lavish compass]

Finland is extra meme though

[lilac moon]

I get 2 Gbps on my hetzner vps

[vagrant marlin]

oh really

[edgy egret]

paper is good but solely for enhancing survival that's it but minecraft is more than just survival but your sole purpose is not to focus on pvp just basic minecraft that's why i was asking i wasn't telling you to do anything

[twin lagoon]

there's more than just 2gbps

[vagrant marlin]

15-20ms in the same city

[lilac moon]

OK but 2 Gbps is more than enough

[lavish compass]

Speed isn't the only thing

[lilac moon]

a lot of servers only have 1

[worthy geode]

you can pretty much go with any EU location for finland tbh
You will get a 20-50ms ping and thats fine

[twin lagoon]

no when you add in the packet loss because of recent issues

your speed is irrelevant

[lavish compass]

stability and latency

[lilac moon]

where recent issues

Wtf

[twin lagoon]

because no one asks for pvp stuff

or implements pvp stuff

[ashen cliff]

I mean, they did fix it. 🛌

[rich temple]

This is something for an inventory:

x starts from 0 to 57 but is not a sequence of x+1

[lilac moon]

Was it planned maintenance

[vagrant marlin]

every time i pass the hetzner dc, they are making a new building there

when will they stop

[lilac moon]

I saw a lot of that recently on hetzner

[rich temple]

what is e.e👀

[ashen cliff]

Never.

[worthy geode]

they do the same in Falkenstein in Germany

[edgy egret]

exactly cause the people that follow paper don't care about pvp they only player survival but that doesn't account for the people that do they just won't ask cause they know that paper is not focused on pvp

[vagrant marlin]

the dc looked really pretty when there was snow on the ground btw

[lilac moon]

Look, at least it's not contabo

[twin lagoon]

nor spigot

[edgy egret]

Imagine making a poll and see how many people reply

[lavish compass]

Look, at least it's not path.net

[worthy geode]

People who care enough about PvP forked it and changed it.
The average minecraft player does not care as much about it as you do, so stop complaining

[manic vapor]

shut

[lilac moon]

I used t have a contabo server and it literally maxed out at like 5% CPU total at some days

[manic vapor]

no one asked (dust)

[lilac moon]

Like 95% CPU on all cores being used by other over allocated vms

It was that bad

[lavish compass]

Hi @twin lagoon i need your opinion on UI

[twin lagoon]

ok

[edgy egret]

Well make a poll and see how many reply for pvp changes

[lilac moon]

So bad I would get messages from the kernel in my terminal saying cpu cores had been stuck for minutes at a timr

[fathom light]

does somebody know what mrfloris' discord is?

[worthy geode]

what would the poll even be? lmao

[simple garden]

@twin lagoon not to butt in but with multimc can I set a shortcut to my 1.18.2 instance on my desktop by any chance lol

[lavish compass]

I don't think Paper should turn into Purpur

[twin lagoon]

probably not

[lilac moon]

Oooo this would be a nice PR if it doesn't exist already

[vagrant marlin]

you could suggest that to polymc

doubt that multimc would add it

[lilac moon]

Does multimc accept pull requests

[simple garden]

PR?

[lilac moon]

Pull request

[simple garden]

Oh.

[lilac moon]

I always would try and go as far upstream as possible personally

[lavish compass]

you know where to find it

[vagrant marlin]

dont see them adding features that often

[simple garden]

Idk I am new to it. Like 30 minutes new to using it haha

So now that I have multimc can I remove the microsoft minecraft launcher and its files?

[vagrant marlin]

yes

you could also remove multimc and use polymc

[lavish compass]

i love polymc

[vagrant marlin]

me too

polymc vs multimc is like paper vs spigot

[grim island]

no

quilt vs fabric

[vagrant marlin]

how is that related

oh right

lol

[grim island]

the magnitude of changes and type of those changes

[vagrant marlin]

i forgor 💀 that quilt was based on fabric

[magic river]

polymc had a bad start and so far still looks like a project where people just throw code at the wall and then get bored

[vagrant marlin]

and multimc is ran by a manchild

[twin lagoon]

i use quiltmc on 1.18.2

[vagrant marlin]

which one do you prefer?

[magic river]

From what I've seen so is the person who started polymc

[twin lagoon]

their standard libraries implement fabricmc apis

[lavish compass]

I prefer my flatpak

[vagrant marlin]

polymc devs dont call it rape when someone offers it as flatpak

[twin lagoon]

still a meme project though

[lilac moon]

Ok now looking at pull requests on multimc they are very rude

[lavish compass]

you have not seen this have you

https://github.com/flathub/flathub/pull/1978

[grim island]

quilt focuses on community and improving what fabric has started, so that's the comparison

[magic river]

I'm not disagreeing with the fact that the multimc dev is a jerk

I'm just saying the creator of polymc was toxic and the others seem a bit childish

The creator has left so that's good

[vagrant marlin]

this is just too funny

https://tenor.com/view/no-nooo-nope-eat-fingerwag-gif-23757070

[elfin quail]

Paper 1.19 when?

[vagrant marlin]

🤫

[crystal lily]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[grim island]

somewhen™

[magic river]

The project had done some neat things and wants to do some really nice things so I hope it's not something they get bored with once it gets hard

[elfin quail]

Scam

[lavish compass]

what

[elfin quail]

Paper 1.19 no exist

Very scam

[vagrant marlin]

ok

[worthy geode]

very

[coarse lily]

Correct, it does not exist yet.

[vagrant marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/terminator-arnold-im-back-gif-23975209

[coarse lily]

Still be worked on.

[vagrant marlin]

paper 1.19 has been terminated

[kind coral]

for now i would recommend using the viaversion plugin to allow people playing on 1.19 to connect to your server

[grim island]

they played us for absolute fools!

[vagrant marlin]

i run it in prod

prod ready

[elfin quail]

I want fwag

[coarse lily]

What is fwag?

[elfin quail]

Frog

[vagrant marlin]

ill just hope that the world isnt fucked, currently generating with chunky

[grim island]

About FWAG — The Farming and Wildlife Advisory Group

[elfin quail]

Fwag

[grim island]

oh

[coarse lily]

Oh

Devs are working hard on it.

[worthy geode]

sounds frog-related enough

[lavish compass]

I generated my world with chunky on fabric 1.19-rc2

[magic river]

At 9 CPS? 😄

[vagrant marlin]

i will do it on the stablest build of paper that exists

[lavish compass]

yes

i managed to generate 20kx20k

was painful

[vagrant marlin]

wroom

[elfin quail]

…

[magic river]

Either your system is really slow, 1.19 got a lot worse, or Paper is actually 10x faster at chunk generation

[vagrant marlin]

paper carry

[lavish compass]

I did it on E-2388G

that server had like 0 load

[vagrant marlin]

i am doing this on an oracle cloud vps

kek

[elfin quail]

Anyways i go sleep

[lavish compass]

is starlight patch ported

[elfin quail]

Idk

[vagrant marlin]

thanks for the input

[magic river]

E-2388G is just a rebadged i9-11900k or whatever, isn't it?

[lavish compass]

i think so

[warm anchor]

Yeah

[lavish compass]

its just server grade i9

[magic river]

Actually wait, I think it was 10000 series

[lavish compass]

either 10 or 11

[magic river]

Oh it does ECC so I guess this was probably made the other way around

[lilac moon]

lost all my brain cells

[magic river]

They took this chip, fused off ECC, and called it i9

[grim island]

one day™ you'll wake up and paper 1.19 will exist..

[vagrant marlin]

wouldnt be surprised if ECC was a bios limitation

[twin lagoon]

idk

seems fine

[lilac moon]

Time to write my own better mc launcher in rust! :troll:

[grim island]

maybe not tomorrow, maybe not day after tomorrow, but someday™

dream on

[elfin quail]

I hope so

[magic river]

polymc is rewriting in rust

[grim island]

but don't ask when™, because there's a curse that if you ask when™ it happens, then eta™ gets delayed by n minutes

[vagrant marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/c-plus-plus-java-coding-code-computer-science-gif-25694112

[lilac moon]

👀 now I'm interested

[vagrant marlin]

polymc c++ rewrite when

[lilac moon]

I like rust

[lilac moon]

Lmao

So just a rewrite

Or they rewrite in rust then back into cpp

[grim island]

modrinth also plan on making their launcher in rust and tauri

[lilac moon]

wait.... It:s all rust??

[grim island]

they actually implemented parts of it, but now they re-focused priorities on payouts and stuff, so in the future™

[void void]

any papermc release day? (1.19)

[grim island]

no, what did you do!

[lilac moon]

I'll have to take a look

[grim island]

now the time™ is delayed by many™ minutes

just carefully lurk in #❗ 1.19 and don't ask when™ 👁️

[lilac moon]

how did they trademark time and many and when

[grim island]

soon™ is also trademarked

[lilac moon]

who owns it

[grim island]

society™

[lilac moon]

hmmmmmm

[ashen cliff]

I mean, you can register colors in the US.

[restive saffron]

can a plugin developer please make paper 1.19. it take so long 😭

[lilac moon]

true

[timber ice]

it's been like 2 days

[lilac moon]

Its in progress lol #❗ 1.19

[grim island]

NO NO

whyyy

now many more™ minutes got added to ETA™

[midnight copper]

i have a question about 1.19 is this the right channel to say it

it seems like a really small update on the outside. are there any systems under the hood that changed a lot that I can expect to break plugins?

[charred cloud]

What

?

[grim island]

many internal changes yes

[worthy geode]

the chat changed quite a bit

[grim island]

chat signing, components and stuff

[hazy trail]

I made it already. Here is the source code feel free to copy it:
beep boop _£|£\€\€£~+}**{€\€|£!\£*~^€*~€}*]£\£|€ 282837822928,8!3&/8.$:! /&!!!*.h dbjzjanajss beep boop

[grim island]

every time you ask when™ the 1.19 release gets delayed by n minutes or hours

[lilac moon]

That is the binary not the source code sorry

[hazy trail]

😦

[charred cloud]

For real?

[hazy trail]

Yea

I asked 500 times yesterday so now the release date was pushed back 2 weeks

[charred cloud]

Is there any counter to see how many times people ask for this? Would be funny to know how many people cant look at #❗ 1.19 lol

[grim island]

yea we keep telling but people won't listen

[worthy geode]

sadly not. there was one for 1.17

[grim island]

that's a neat idea

[restive saffron]

Machine Maker need an ethernet cable

[midnight copper]

praying my favorite plugins won’t break but knowing my luck everything will be broken for a month thanks to mojang 😭

sorry if this sends twice, the first message didnt seem to go through

[worthy geode]

As long as they are maintained by someone, im sure they will get updated.
And if your plugins are abandoned, you shouldn't really use them anyways

[vagrant marlin]

knowing your luck: 1.18.2 to 1.19 had really small changes

your luck is based on how big an update is

[midnight copper]

probably bs under the hood tho

[vagrant marlin]

if 1.19 did something, it improved that bs

[midnight copper]

eh theres definitely some old stuff still worth using
not a lot though

[restive saffron]

If plugin abandoned, community revive it with a new name! AbandonedPlugin -> AbandonedPluginPlus (now $10 on mcm!)

[vagrant marlin]

if those plugins are based on the bukkit/whatever api, it'll be fine

[timber ice]

Sadly ^

[midnight copper]

usually

[worthy geode]

if its really old and survived 1.16 (or even 1..13), it probably will work forever

[vagrant marlin]

or 1.17, y'know, java version change

that plugin will survive anything

[midnight copper]

1.17/1.18 broke a lot but it also changed a lot
1.19 probably? will still work with what matters with maybe a few errors here and there since from what I can tell there werent much rework of core systems

fingers crossed

[timber ice]

Are you just using the API

[vagrant marlin]

most plugins will work no issue

[midnight copper]

I don’t mind in waiting y’all to finish updating paper but I am crossing my fingers HARD that I will be able to relaunch my server as soon as paper 1.19 is out

[vagrant marlin]

and if not, those plugins most likely have an update

so you are worrying for no reason

[midnight copper]

its been dead for a long time and im looking for an excuse to get my friends back on it lmao

1.19 is a good excuse

[vagrant marlin]

you could also test on 1.19 spigot already

[midnight copper]

true actually
but that is Effort and more likely to break things

[vagrant marlin]

you do have a pc, right?

[lilac moon]

Effort capitalized as if it is an enum

[vagrant marlin]

run a server on that

[unkempt jackal]

well, you could just make a small test server to test your plugins

[midnight copper]

a sane person would make a dupe of the server files but my 1.19 upgrade strategy is “replace the jar with the new one and pray everything works and if it doesnt roll back to a backup” lmao

[lilac moon]

Effort { Much, Little }

[midnight copper]

at least I do have backups

[vagrant marlin]

how do you rollback without a dupe of the server?

🤨

[midnight copper]

having automatic backups

[vagrant marlin]

that is a duplicate

[lilac moon]

Make a backup immediately before updating..?????

[true canyon]

Wouldn't recommend going immediately, but rather waiting until things stabilize. First release will likely run but less likely to be thoroughly tested finding all bugs.

[unkempt jackal]

my friend group is small enough that we could probably handle a vanilla server just fine, but they love plugins too much to not have them

[midnight copper]

not quite since the backup software doesnt have the files directly accessible since theyre dumped into archives
a dupe can be ran side by side. a backup in this case would have to be restored from

[midnight copper]

I figure yolo since if stuff gets damaged theres the backup files. not really anything to lose other than time

[lilac moon]

I make duplicates because its easier to deal with and restore than backup

Although backup is easy too

[unkempt jackal]

or you could just host a small server on your pc to test your plugins on spigot 1.19

[midnight copper]

the main server is a “small server on my pc”

[vagrant marlin]

this is how i test new updates

[midnight copper]

I don’t have a need for separate hardware

I once had 8 people on my server and celebrated that and screenshotted it

with a server where 8 people is “holy crap” you really dont have a reason to not just run it on your windows pc

[vagrant marlin]

i once had 50 players on my server for a few minutes

averaging zero rn

😁

[midnight copper]

I am looking to upgrade my pc though. It’s got pretty dated specs and I’d love to make 32 chunk render distance permanent

[unkempt jackal]

I never have more than 6 players, but my network bandwidth is so bad that 6 players is too much (satellite internet in a rural area) So I pay for hosting

[midnight copper]

but currently have it so that 32 is only achieve if there’s like two people on the server

[lilac moon]

I wonder how many people my server (i7-930) can handle

[vagrant marlin]

all i need is a new gpu

[unkempt jackal]

ayyy 5800x gang

[vagrant marlin]

the 1660ti is an amazing gpu, but its not enough for 1440p

id love to keep using it

its really overclockable

[midnight copper]

my pc is all from 2014 and i wanted to upgrade last year but nothing was in stock so I’m waiting for ddr5+zen4 and for 3080 prices to drop

[drifting aurora]

970 or 9700?

[vagrant marlin]

+1550 on mem and +150 on core

[lilac moon]

930. 2010 cpu

[earnest current]

Wait so is paper done what’s that announcement mean

[unkempt jackal]

it's not

[vagrant marlin]

what announcement?

[midnight copper]

cpu matters more to me than gpu for what I do so going from a 2014 i5 to a zen 4 is gonna be craaaaazy

[lilac moon]

i7-930 is full name

[drifting aurora]

Yikes.... memory apart, I'm betting on 20 players without plugins...

[earnest current]

#❗ 1.19

[lilac moon]

oh that's a lot

[vagrant marlin]

i couldnt bother waiting for zen 4, i would have had to buy new ram and a new mobo

still rocking a b450 💪

[midnight copper]

i have ddr3 and a motherboard also from 2014

so i am waiting for ddr5

[vagrant marlin]

clearly not

"Good news for plugin developers"

[drifting aurora]

Just keep it in mind that it's a hypothesis, it might be more or less depending on all sort of things.

[midnight copper]

yesss this server allows external emotes

so whens eta

[magic river]

Yeah just ban them

[earnest current]

I know there no eta but how’s progress looking

[vagrant marlin]

yeah

[midnight copper]

idc about progress honestly
i accept itll be done when its done

[magic river]

hehe this is like the opposite of me, got the GPU but waiting for a CPU

[midnight copper]

im more worried about the time it will take for- oh wait it looks like geyser already has basic support for 1.19? oh then i guess im not worried about anything

[magic river]

I've got DDR4 at least but the PCIe 3 hurts considering the GPU and SSD

[vagrant marlin]

we could trade

you get my cpu, i get your gpu

wouldnt it be a good trade

[magic river]

[vagrant marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-labrador-dirty-stinky-party-muddle-pool-bathing-gif-21723104

[magic river]

Why wouldn't you have 32GB of RAM?

[grim island]

you've tried

[real lion]

Thanks I'll try that!

[vagrant marlin]

why wouldnt i?

[magic river]

Java stuff tends to use a ton of RAM

[vagrant marlin]

intellij and firefox is open

kek

although ive got a million tabs open

[magic river]

Modded Skyrim can use like 12GB

[vagrant marlin]

yeah

[magic river]

And I don't want to close the rest of my apps when running it

[vagrant marlin]

i felt limited on 16gb

not on 32gb

i dont want to feel limited

[magic river]

Oh hey they're actually using the filter API

[vagrant marlin]

ayo

mojang using stuff they add??

[magic river]

It's been in there for a bit now

[grim island]

don't they use it in chinese version

[vagrant marlin]

although no one uses realms

[magic river]

I think they may have wanted to wait to add the signing before using it though so they could verify you actually said the thing they're going to flag/censor

[vagrant marlin]

probably

[dapper pumice]

Can I have your gpu please?

[vagrant marlin]

i dont know if i want to enable secure chat on my server

🤷

shall be seen

[grim island]

duck you

[magic river]

You literally can't do signed messages on your server

It's not possible

[grim island]

what are you forking gonna do about it mojang 🍴

[magic river]

Unless your server is running Fabric or vanilla 😄

[vagrant marlin]

😭

[drifting aurora]

Mojang is more and more Netease-like....

I can't even say f*ck? damn

[vagrant marlin]

literally 1984

[magic river]

Spigot and Paper force all chat messages to be system chat messages which are not signed

[vagrant marlin]

right

thats good

thats how the prefix thing was fixed.. or?

[grim island]

we can learn some slang from bri ish I'm pretty sure there's so much of it mojang will get tired filtering it all

[drifting aurora]

Mojang & Microsoft please go to hell....

[vagrant marlin]

mojang will filter out anything that seems like british

wouldnt disagree with doing that

[magic river]

Yeah, the prefix thing was Spigot trying to use the player chat packet but with a nil UUID (which is how you sent a system message in old versions)

But since the chat type was player message the client tried to format it

So you got a <> at the start

[vagrant marlin]

the client shouldnt try anything

[magic river]

The client is responsible for formatting chat now

The server just sends the message and who it's from

[vagrant marlin]

its dumb

[grim island]

o that can be neat for that mod that added heads next to messages

[drifting aurora]

It's Microsoft

[magic river]

Nah it's still just Mojang

Minecraft Java stuff seems to still be pretty hands off

[drifting aurora]

Two new bad word here, Microsoft and Mojang

[vagrant marlin]

we shall see how java edition is in a year

[grim island]

I mean they could've ordered mojang to do that

[drifting aurora]

There wouldn't be Minecraft if they keep this bs up

[vagrant marlin]

didnt they use SHA-1 for the message signing originally

do they still use sha-1

[magic river]

sha-1 is fine

This isn't a TLS certificate, there are different considerations

It would be better if they didn't but it's fine

[vagrant marlin]

but like, can this be used to get people's minecraft accounts deleted / limited

is it secure enough to have that not happen

[magic river]

Yes

The attacks against sha-1 are more theoretical and/or nation-state level

[vagrant marlin]

right

[magic river]

If the NSA wants your MC account banned they'll just tell Microsoft you're a terrorist

Or hack your gmail account

[vagrant marlin]

not my gmail 😱

[drifting aurora]

Ahhh, It's to this point that I start hating newer versions of Minecraft...

Maybe 1.12.2 is where the legacy ends....

[vagrant marlin]

🤓

[magic river]

pfft it ended in beta 1.7

[drifting aurora]

Nah, 1.7.10

[vagrant marlin]

1.19 does have telemetry that cant be disabled without mods

so thats pretty annoying

[magic river]

There have been some nice tech things and QoL improvements since beta 1.7 but the game went way downhill in beta 1.8 and never recovered

[vagrant marlin]

paper for beta 1.7

[magic river]

beta 1.8 is when they added potions and enchantments, btw

[restive saffron]

Y

[magic river]

Doing them right would require resource packs to change the chat format and would require massive breaking changes to chat events

Oh and command stuff

It's a completely different model

[vagrant marlin]

wouldnt the server have to send a resource pack to the player to change formatting

or how does it work

[magic river]

Yes, the server would have to send a resource pack with a new translation thing that is your format string and then in the join game packet tell the client to use that "translation"

[vagrant marlin]

well, thats really stupid

[drifting aurora]

further or less, one thing that we can agree on, Minecraft's legacy had ended...

[vagrant marlin]

the fuck mojang

[midnight copper]

honestly

[grim island]

so true

this hunger system

yuck

[magic river]

I hope someone who still talks to Mojang devs can get convince them to let you just send the format string in the join game packet

[vagrant marlin]

i run a server for minecraft because i like it, not because the legacy has ended

[midnight copper]

the only BAD minecraft update was aquatic

everything else has been meh at worst

but this might change that and be a second bad update if we cant find a workaround

[magic river]

I kind of like the hunger system, dealing with food was dumb before beta 1.8

[vagrant marlin]

couldnt care less

[midnight copper]

aquatic actively made the game worse

[vagrant marlin]

the beta food system seemed really dumb

[drifting aurora]

Minecraft's legendary journey had ended.... in my opinion... it's maybe time to settle down...

[vagrant marlin]

glad it didnt stick

[magic river]

But it did make regaining health a lot easier

[vagrant marlin]

ok 👍

[grim island]

not true, now you need to wait for recovery

also your hunger depletes so quickly

[magic river]

The hunger system was also an (unintentional, I think) anticheat system

[vagrant marlin]

fast?

[grim island]

you could've just not take damage and walk forever

[vagrant marlin]

it takes like 5 minutes to run out of sprint

provided you dont take damage

[magic river]

Modded clients that let you move across the world really fast would now run out of food right away and starve to death

[grim island]

beta 1.7.3 the best version

time to start my browser open minecraft dot net slash game and enjoy it

java and flash applets are the future

[crystal lily]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[lone steppe]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/889762780922671144.webp?size=64

[coarse lily]

The /eta time is never going to change, BTW. #❗ 1.19 has updates and then when there’s a build there will be an announcement. But /eta will always be the same.

[lone steppe]

ok tysm

my server is eager to start playing :P

keep up the great work

[twin lagoon]

cloudflare wtf

why would you only add apple sign in

where is google and the rest

[lone steppe]

lmaoo

[twin lagoon]

literally makes no sense aswell which corporate account is going to login with apple

[wraith trail]

wondered the same thing, almost thought of apple requiring it for safari or something, but doesn't look like that is the case

[twin lagoon]

maybe with their passkey thing

[timber ice]

No point for Mojang to work on game improvements, rather just push content cause it makes more sales.

[ancient bolt]

mojang has improved the minecraft codebase tremendously over the past several years, that is simply an inaccurate statement that shows a misunderstanding of how professional software development teams work

[timber ice]

Lol

[hazy rock]

Is someone gonna stream working on 1.19 again? I enjoyed watching lol

[ancient bolt]

someone is streaming right now

[hazy rock]

I mean like on Twitch. Unless someone is

[warm anchor]

Only discord iirc

[timber ice]

Well obviously or else they wouldn't be able to add a bunch of the new content. But it's not to say it's been going downhill since 1.8

[hazy rock]

Ok Ty ^^

[timber ice]

It's not a "misunderstanding of how professional software development teams work"

[ancient bolt]

So you are saying it's improved? I don't understand what you're saying

[timber ice]

I'm saying 1.12.2 was the last good version.

[ancient bolt]

The minecraft codebase has improved significantly since 1.8

https://giphy.com/gifs/oh-yeah-sure-suuure-DFNd1yVyRjmF2

[knotty iris]

is spigot stable yet

[timber ice]

no

[worthy geode]

Part of developing a game is adding new content. Content is also whats visible to players, and what players care about. No one is going to pick up minecraft again if the main change in an update is rewriting the entity system

[waxen panther]

🤓 1.12 🤓 was 🤓 the 🤓 last 🤓 good 🤓 version 🤓

[timber ice]

lol

[vernal moth]

Well, if that entity system would allow custom entities via datapacks, that's a feature again

[timber ice]

That's a kind of a 2D thinking

Content is very important in a game, yes

[void void]

test server

someone spams chickens

[worthy geode]

thats true, but that itself wouldn't really help, datapacks that do cool stuff would also need to exist

[timber ice]

But having better systems that help servers (a decently sized portion of the game) that let's people do cooler things and let's people have more fun is also important.

[worthy geode]

a large portion of the playerbase plays on SMP, which is pretty far away from hitting the limits of what you can do in current Minecraft.
I do agree with adding more custom stuff though.

[timber ice]

It was, it's very hard to run a server on 1.18.2 with a good amount of players.

[obsidian lotus]

that doesnt mean its the last good versoin

[timber ice]

It's my opinion lol

[obsidian lotus]

it might be the last good version for what you specifically want

[waxen panther]

🤓

[undone blade]

How long unt... jk 😄

[vernal moth]

I mean, there are big servers on modern versions

[lavish forge]

Where’s the dashboard?

[vernal moth]

What do they do that you can't?

[lavish forge]

Never mind

[undone blade]

How does someone spam 17k chickens? Just limit the amount of entitys in a chunk or 4x4 chunk with something like mobfarmanager

[worthy geode]

1.14 was bad, it should not have shipped with performance that bad. 1.13 is kinda in between so im just gonna ignore that.
But Mojang has recognised that 1.14 was bad and is working on improving things.

[undone blade]

would be a neat paper feature tbh

[timber ice]

A different way of handling things, we just have 1 server ATM and are more worried about adding features to release a good gamemode then worrying about syncing data across multiple servers to fit a few hundred players. In the future it's something I'd like to do to use more 1.18.2 features and if 1.18.2 performed like 1.12.2 I would be using it in an instant.

[silver ruin]

is there anyway i can get a ping when papermc gets updated

i host a relatively large server and base mc server is kinda poop ass

[ripe sphinx]

there'll be an @e presumably

[silver ruin]

i was guessing too yeah

im excited

[worthy geode]

there will be a ping.
In the meantime just use ViaVersion so people who are too lazy to downgrade their client can still play

[silver ruin]

?

viaversion?

[ripe sphinx]

Viaversion is a plugin that allows newer client versions to connect to an older server

[undone blade]

You defo dont host a large server xD

[ripe sphinx]

so i.e. 1.19 players would be able to connect to your 1.18.2 server

[silver ruin]

we just do basic survival lol

yeah like what hipixel uses

[undone blade]

Fair enough my bad xD

[silver ruin]

its me and some buds nothing crazy

[lilac moon]

Speaking of viaversion I need to update my velocity build and my NanoLimbo build because 1.19

[undone blade]

I hate viaversion lmaoo

I used to run via back rewind and all that, and all it lead to was glitches, people lagging, and about 500 more hacked clients able to login lmao

[lilac moon]

My friends were complaining about having to update to 1.18.2 from 1.18 (or maybe from 1.17.X, I don't remember) so now I have viabackwards

[rare python]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/7870 you stole my idea

[lilac moon]

they were just that lazy

[undone blade]

Tried to setup a geyser server once, that was tough getting it all to work

[rare python]

my poor extension function has been made useless

[ripe sphinx]

Well viaback/rewind could introduce problems, yeah

[lilac moon]

Viarewind is 💀

Who needs 1.7 and 1.8 fr

[ripe sphinx]

Via"forwards" should be fine though

and also yeah fuck 1.8.9 players

[undone blade]

bUt ThE pvP is BettEr

[rare python]

fun Audience.sendMiniMessage(message: String) = sendMessage(miniMessage().deserialize(message))

[undone blade]

-spam clicks-

[lilac moon]

yeah the pvp is better but also 1.8 is too far

heck even 1.12 is too far back

[ripe sphinx]

but placeholders

[lilac moon]

i iterally only needed 1.18.1 support

[ripe sphinx]

you can force versions in viaback's config iirc

[undone blade]

Wouldnt it be 1.18.2?

[lilac moon]

no i updated the servers to 1.18.2 and playuers wanted to stay on 1.18 because too lazy to update client apparenlty

[ripe sphinx]

bruh it takes 10 seconds

I guess slightly longer if mods were involved BUT STILL

[undone blade]

Dont cater for players that wont upgrade, cater to those who do the right stuff lol

[lilac moon]

yeah mods were invloved but i literally offered to download their mod folder and then update them all and upload lmao

[ripe sphinx]

ffs

[lilac moon]

well theyre the main players lol and it's a friend server

[fickle canopy]

so is 1.19 playable with crossplay?

[vagrant marlin]

kenny received money??

[timber ice]

No

[vagrant marlin]

aint a hostage anymore, ic ic

[lilac moon]

i should set up geyser

[undone blade]

But do you have a minecraft casino?

[lilac moon]

no

how

[undone blade]

xD

[lilac moon]

i typed my sudo password wrong almost 3 times in a row

[ripe sphinx]

the incredible magic of resource packs

[undone blade]

Yeah no mods just packs

[ripe sphinx]

seriously what people can do with just RPs and vanilla clients is insane

[lilac moon]

i used to update the server without checking if people were online. i dont do that anymore

oh i still havent fixed the issue where the server hangs with "Negative position" error or something similar when stopping

[undone blade]

Yeah Im about a year into devving my custom server its been a long journey lmao

was about to release and pregen the main world them boom 1.19 announced

[lilac moon]

i upped the docker compose timeout to 60 secs just to make sure it absolutely would have finished everything until hanging but now it takes 60 secs to stop it all 💀

[undone blade]

@lilac moon You logging in with root on linux?

[lilac moon]

no i use sudo

[undone blade]

Oh good

[ripe sphinx]

lol ours just autokills after 10 seconds, haven't had any problems (yet at least, but got 6mo of hourly backups)

[undone blade]

We just switched to ssh keys instead of passwords lol

bit late to the party

[lilac moon]

it took 30 secs or so a couple times and i didnt really wanna deal with restoring backups or anything when i can just sidestep it

would be nice to figur eout the root cause of the error but no one seems to know and there's no google results

[twin lagoon]

yes

[undone blade]

😮 you do?

[twin lagoon]

just not with blackjack and hookers

[undone blade]

Isnt that OR

lmao

[twin lagoon]

yes

[undone blade]

you...

[lilac moon]

OR?

oregon

[undone blade]

origin realms

Michael you... own OR?!

[twin lagoon]

who can really say

[undone blade]

Thats a no then xD

[rare python]

Never even heard of that server.

[undone blade]

Your mind will explode if you visit it

[vagrant marlin]

nah

[lilac moon]

ok i will not visit it

[vagrant marlin]

me neither

[vagrant marlin]

you just made michael homeless

[lilac moon]

a

[undone blade]

2000 lines of config for a rewards plugin

kill me

[lilac moon]

is that more than essentials???

[undone blade]

I think so yeah

28 days of rewards lmaoo

took me all night

[lilac moon]

what kind of rewards

[undone blade]

Just money based atm

[lilac moon]

oh my god

[worthy geode]

OR, the server everyone currently tries to copy

[lilac moon]

i almost just added every. single. file. in my home folder to git

[twin lagoon]

pretty much

[undone blade]

You know it malf lmaoo

[woven moon]

very nice bro 👍

[twin lagoon]

found so many mcmarket setups stealing our assets

last one was last week

[undone blade]

assets from what?

Wait are you actually part of OR?

[worthy geode]

I never understood your gameplay tbh. it looks good, but im too dumb to understand what people are doing

[twin lagoon]

yes

[sleek tree]

What’s OR?

[undone blade]

Origin Realms

[sleek tree]

Ahhh

AHHHH I KNOW THAT SERVER

Well of it

[undone blade]

It took me forever to figure out how you guys did the falling leaves michael but then i finally realised its a modified falling dust particle lol

Clever stuff

[sleek tree]

Oh jeez

[twin lagoon]

ok but dragon

[worthy geode]

but water fountain

[lilac moon]

well im trying to find out how big this wouldve been but it's takiung forever

[sleek tree]

All vanilla?

[undone blade]

Yeah

RP only

[lilac moon]

oh it just now finished, that wouldve been 131.3 GiB added to a git repo if i let it finish somehow

[twin lagoon]

si

[sleek tree]

How..

[undone blade]

They probably use a modified version of something like modelenigne/mythicmobs

[sleek tree]

Ahhh

[twin lagoon]

no

[undone blade]

Well, Self wrote I mean

[twin lagoon]

modelengine did not exist at the time

[sleek tree]

In house ?

Jeeeez

[twin lagoon]

and relying on public closed-source plugins is a good way to kill your server

[woven moon]

there is an alternative to paper? i need that before the 1.19 port

[sleek tree]

Micheal: write everything from scratch

[twin lagoon]

vanilla, spigot

[sleek tree]

Fabric

💀

Or just wait

[undone blade]

You're not wrong michael but theres no doubt 1 man couldnt have built OR alone lmao

[twin lagoon]

i mean for the longest time there was only one developer

[sleek tree]

That poor developer

[undone blade]

I mean like, Devs, Designers etc

Someones making the models

[sleek tree]

Yeah

[twin lagoon]

there's clever people behind it of course

[sleek tree]

You?

[twin lagoon]

nah i'm smoothbrained

[sleek tree]

You there to watch things catch on fire?

Or

[undone blade]

I once got into mineclub without the RP lmao

The entire place was paper KEK

[sleek tree]

I feel you’re the players join

Ahahaha

[twin lagoon]

yes

[sleek tree]

Ahhh very nice

[timber ice]

Gambling in Minecraft WeirdChamp

[sleek tree]

That’s me watching 70% of my tests fail & pushing to main anyway

:)))

[worthy geode]

well, you are running tests, thats better than most of my stuff already

[undone blade]

I even have a wardrobe try on feature michael dont sue me

[sleek tree]

Wardrobe try in?

On*

[twin lagoon]

could not care what you do aslong as you don't steal resource pack assets

[sleek tree]

That’s just low ball

Are they cc’d ?

[sleek tree]

not that you can do much

[sleek tree]

Okay that’s awesome

[twin lagoon]

you get a 360 view of your character

[sleek tree]

How you got chat looking so sick?

[sleek tree]

That’s insane. Does it require optifine? All these assets and things 🤔🤔

[twin lagoon]

no

[sleek tree]

How on Earth

[twin lagoon]

there are no mods required

[sleek tree]

It’s not using amour stands ?

[timber ice]

Resource packs

[sleek tree]

Ahhh

[timber ice]

well

im not sure for the rotating thing

[woven moon]

thats... vanilla?

[twin lagoon]

yes

[steep lion]

Resource packs

[sleek tree]

Tbfh I still think of resource packs as: changes some textures done

[twin lagoon]

look i'm just saying

[sleek tree]

Have they got more poweful?

[steep lion]

ItemAdder's a good plugin for that

[twin lagoon]

hop on the server and there's more to be impressed with

even the first join experience is something

[timber ice]

hoping on rn

[sleek tree]

I may just do that tomorrow

Do you use custom server software to?

Or is it paper :0

[twin lagoon]

toiletpaper

[crystal lily]

__There Is No ETA__

Updates to Paper do not have any sort of estimate for when they release, ever. Any and all updates will arrive when they are ready, and the only thing to do is wait for them patiently along with everyone else.

ETA means 'Estimated Time of Arrival'!

[warm anchor]

Michael is using his $500000 fork

[twin lagoon]

hey look we have someone with a stolen OR avatar

[warm anchor]

LOL

[sleek tree]

Seriously? Haha

[sleek tree]

Is this a joke, or a fork of paper?

[twin lagoon]

it's a fork called toiletpaper

[steep lion]

he's joking lol

[twin lagoon]

not a joke

[sleek tree]

…

[twin lagoon]

this ain't no laughing matter

[worthy geode]

isn't Bidet the proxy?

[sleek tree]

I don’t know who to believe

[twin lagoon]

yes

[sleek tree]

Micheal is a troll

[steep lion]

believe who you want lmfao

[warm anchor]

The fork name is toilet paper that’s not a joke

[sleek tree]

Oh cool

googles

[warm anchor]

It’s a private fork

[twin lagoon]

yeah that's not ever being made public

[timber ice]

Im confused

[worthy geode]

your naming is great. And I thought naming my fork for an RPG/medieval server Papyrus was good, but meh

[timber ice]

is this a survival server?

[twin lagoon]

yes

[timber ice]

Idk what Im doing

I cant even follow the arrow thing

[warm anchor]

OriginRealm @timber ice

Go look it up

[steep lion]

OriginRealm is sick

[sleek tree]

Is it that good 👀

Acc nevermind

I bet it has async entities

[timber ice]

Im ingame but I dont know what the arrow is trying to lead me to too lmao

[steep lion]

just use purpur or something

[worthy geode]

its probably not useful outside of OR tbh

[lofty fable]

I have a question about paper. Kind of new here but if i have a paper server can i put forge mods on it?

[steep lion]

nope

[sleek tree]

^

[sleek tree]

True true

[lofty fable]

Ok

[sleek tree]

Most bespoke woundnt be

[steep lion]

i learnt something new today, if toiletpaper is indeed a thing

[lofty fable]

Are there any paper forks that support mods

[golden gust]

"yes"

[sleek tree]

No

👀

[twin lagoon]

technically yes

[worthy geode]

nothing usable. the Bukkit-API isn't made for mods. There are some projects, but they are very very unstable

[golden gust]

^ it's more a fork of forge and tryna ship the paper api over it

[steep lion]

why would you want that though

[undone blade]

michael can you tell me if an asset is from OR? someone said it might be and my friend sent it lmaoo

perfect person to double check

[golden gust]

Hey, Michael

Ya mum

[undone blade]

This mirror

[worthy geode]

no reflection smh

[undone blade]

LOL

[worthy geode]

its possible

[timber ice]

I mean it's a mirror

[undone blade]

Yeah the servers not gonna be public for a while so i wanted to check

mirror or not if its not free to use im not ripping assets lol

[timber ice]

its kind of hard to be unique with a mirror

[warm anchor]

You can check out last year when Mojang was doing mob votes

[twin lagoon]

dunno

[warm anchor]

OR rigs out 3D model of those new mob so fast

[twin lagoon]

as if i'm supposed to know that that model looks the same as our hundreds of other models

[undone blade]

https://streamable.com/pygz6e

Valid point lmaoo

Wardrobe gang!

[lofty fable]

I wonder if you could yoink the immersive portal mirror code and somehow import it into a plugin so you can make an actual mirror

[timber ice]

Took me 20 minutes to find the first character to talk to I'm stupid lmao

[twin lagoon]

technically yes but it'll never be as smooth

[lofty fable]

But

[twin lagoon]

and will cause artifacts of blocks being placed/removed

[lofty fable]

It would still be a mirror

[undone blade]

Take a picture what the mirror sees, skew it and put it on the mirror. you wont see yourself but it'l look somewhat real

then you can set vampire lore

[lofty fable]

True

[worthy geode]

you can, but its only really useful for flat mirrors, not standing mirrors like the model

[warm anchor]

If only you know how many cursed armor stand they are doing

[void void]

I just wanted to say great job to the developers on the work they are doing 🍻

[sleek tree]

On paper? :0

[lofty fable]

So on the idea of making a paper server with forge mods. Can i make a bungee cord server with a bunch of 1.19 paper servers and a 1.19 forge server?

[undone blade]

Seems fine to me

kek

[radiant mantle]

Anyone know how I can:
When a player joins the server the server starts up.
When a player leaves and there is no one it closes

[molten egret]

why?

[undone blade]

Wtf xD

[lofty fable]

I have heard there is a plugin for it

[undone blade]

How could they join and start the server lol

[molten egret]

the server would have to be running

[radiant mantle]

I heard there is something but it’s outdated

[lofty fable]

Oh

[molten egret]

you could have an application

[twin lagoon]

it exists

[molten egret]

like a reverse proxy

[twin lagoon]

but not as a plugin

[radiant mantle]

Oh

[lofty fable]

The idea is that rhe server is in a sleep mode

[radiant mantle]

I saw a yt vid

Ye

Sleep mode

[undone blade]

Well yeah you could fire a script to boot it when someone connects to the ip somehow idk

[radiant mantle]

Will that turn ioff the server in my cmd tho

[undone blade]

But still then what, wait for everything to start before you get in lol

[lofty fable]

Not using much proccessung power

[molten egret]

maybe have the server stop ticking when people leave?

[lofty fable]

And when somebody joins it wakes up

[radiant mantle]

Will that like stop it in cmd?

[undone blade]

I think my entire server uses about 5% of my cpu when idle lol

[radiant mantle]

Do you run it 24/7

[undone blade]

Yeah

No

I reboot daily

[molten egret]

I run my server 24/7

[radiant mantle]

Cause I have an smp and I want it to be convenient

[lofty fable]

Tbh it really isnt hard to run it 24/7

[radiant mantle]

Ok

I see

[molten egret]

rebooting is only a thing for non dead servers

[radiant mantle]

How can I start it up when my pc starts up

[worthy geode]

Using WorldGuard and not removing the weird interaction particles, very disappointed in OR

[molten egret]

ok so make a discord bot

[undone blade]

Lmaoo I think its on purpose malf

not sure why though

[radiant mantle]

Mhm

[undone blade]

Love how youre going around punching shit though

Wait can you casually swear here?

-goes to rules-

[worthy geode]

first thing I disable when installing WG, no idea why they added those

[radiant mantle]

Can I post a yt vid here?

[twin lagoon]

certain things just work™️

[molten egret]

have it make a thread and start the server when people run a command
have a plugin that stops the server when no one is online

[radiant mantle]

https://youtu.be/WqvQISpr6-s

I saw this

It worked for him but it’s outdated

I’m on 1.19

[lofty fable]

Rip

[worthy geode]

Everything is a feature ™️

[undone blade]

Honestly, Youre gonna use more overhead, starting and stopping a server then letting it idle and reboot daily...

I can reboot your server 100 times if i keep relogging lol

and push your cpu

[molten egret]

isn't node js interpreted?

[radiant mantle]

Ah so I should just run it 24/7

So if I am

[lofty fable]

Yes

[undone blade]

Set a reboot command at 6am

[molten egret]

wouldn't that be really slow for a proxy?

[radiant mantle]

How do I run my bat file on launch of pc

[undone blade]

in multicraft/ptero

[void void]

there's often a delay before it shuts down with these scripts

[undone blade]

Ohh youre self hosting it?

[radiant mantle]

Ye

[lofty fable]

I can help

[undone blade]

That explains a little more why you want to do that lol

[lofty fable]

R u using linux

[radiant mantle]

Ye lol

[undone blade]

I assume not

[radiant mantle]

No

Windows

4g server

[lofty fable]

Damn

[molten egret]

there is a thing for it

task sceduler???

[undone blade]

Startup.... programs....

lol

[lofty fable]

Task scedular works

[radiant mantle]

Oh lol true

[molten egret]

yeah task scheduler

[radiant mantle]

Ok

[lofty fable]

For restarts

[undone blade]

lmao

[radiant mantle]

But can I hide the command prompt?

[molten egret]

have it trigger on boot

[undone blade]

Yeah

[lofty fable]

I used cronjobs for linux

[radiant mantle]

How

[undone blade]

theres a flag for it i think

i forgot

[molten egret]

nogui?

[radiant mantle]

Oh

[undone blade]

I run multicraft so no idea

I think its nogui

[radiant mantle]

No even if I do nogui

I still see a comms

Cmd *

[molten egret]

as the last thing?

[lofty fable]

Yes

[undone blade]

Actually nogui stops the other popup thingy

[radiant mantle]

Ye

[undone blade]

not the cmd

[radiant mantle]

Ye

[lofty fable]

Cmd promt will open

[molten egret]

cmd is spawned by the bat file

[lofty fable]

You want it open

[radiant mantle]

I want to stop the cmd as well.

Or atleast hide it

[ripe sphinx]

the cmd prompt is console

[lofty fable]

You cant

[undone blade]

Why? youll never have any control

lmao

[radiant mantle]

Ye

[worthy geode]

you can't

[radiant mantle]

I mean like

[ripe sphinx]

You can't hide it, and you don

[radiant mantle]

Can I hide it on my screen

[molten egret]

is screen a thing on windows?

[ripe sphinx]

you can minimize it

no

[lofty fable]

This is why linux is good

[undone blade]

Theres a cool button

[warm anchor]

Run it as a service on windows

[undone blade]

that makes stuff hide

[golden gust]

run as a service with javaw

[undone blade]

lmao

[ripe sphinx]

https://f.u11.io/VvP1RN

[worthy geode]

yeah you could run it as a service. but... why

[molten egret]

then you could make a screen instance and then connect to it later

[lofty fable]

Can you run services on windows?

[undone blade]

He only wants his ram being taken if a players online

lol

[lofty fable]

Tbh

[radiant mantle]

Like do you guys know process manager for ride

Node*

[lofty fable]

You kinda need more then 4gb

[radiant mantle]

I want something like that

[ripe sphinx]

yeah not a thing for windows

[radiant mantle]

To run it 24/7?

[ripe sphinx]

in general

[radiant mantle]

Do you guys know process manager for node?

[worthy geode]

disabling keep-spawn-loaded should keep the ram usage when no one is online somewhat minimal

[radiant mantle]

I want it like that

[lofty fable]

I have 10gb and it still lags when 3 people get onlune

[undone blade]

I need to change my flags lmaoo theres nobody online...

[ripe sphinx]

destroyer: sounds like bad CPU or config then

[radiant mantle]

I’m playing well on 4th with 5 at a time

[molten egret]

there is a jvm thing that allows ram to be released back to the os

[undone blade]

Depends on the java flags, and if youre leaking memory

[worthy geode]

but 4 GB of RAM in 2022 is just generally very very low

[lofty fable]

I allow them 10 chunk render distance

[undone blade]

Too high

if youre lagging

[radiant mantle]

How do I do that

Or wait

Can I auto minimize it

When it launches

[undone blade]

My proxy has 4gb ram lol

[golden gust]

iirc, yes

[radiant mantle]

How can I do that

[golden gust]

Well

[warm anchor]

That’s 3g too much lol

[golden gust]

the "start" command has an option to do that iirc

Not a windows guy however, so, am outta my depth here

[undone blade]

I know lmao i was gonna drop it to 2gb as i do run a fair few proxy plugins

[radiant mantle]

Rip

Cause I can auto run it I get that part

I just want it to be minimized

When it opens

[undone blade]

How much ram you guys got on your servers? 🙂

[radiant mantle]

4

[ripe sphinx]

just open it and minimize it?

8gb allocated, 32 system

[upbeat falcon]

start | Microsoft Docs

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/administration/windows-commands/start

Jan 5, 2022 ... Reference article for the start command, which starts a separate Command Prompt window to run a specified program or command.

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[lofty fable]

How much render distance and ram do people have on there server

[worthy geode]

easiest way is creating a shortcut to the .bat

[radiant mantle]

Ig but what if I reboot manually and I’m not there cause we use that pc a lot and my parents might close it on purpose lol.

[worthy geode]

and just configuring that shortcut to start as minimized

[ripe sphinx]

well then you'd need to reopen it

[undone blade]

Mines set to 6 I think, 16gb allocated and 30gb spare if i need it

[radiant mantle]

Ah i see

[golden gust]

oh, apparently there wasn't a minimised command

[radiant mantle]

So I make a shortcut to that
Run it on startup and make it minimized

[lofty fable]

Oh lol thats a lot