Yea, loading terrain screen waits for 2 seconds && loadedChunks > 0
#general
golden gust
grand pewter
the ideal "i dont feel like fixing this" solution
warm anchor
wow another anya enjoyer
potent wedge
Is anya the adopted one
warm anchor
one with the telepathy ability yeah :p
grand pewter
potent wedge
No that's a spoiler I only just finished episode 3
ashen cliff
Are you sure it's a spoiler? Could just be fan made. 
magic river
Holy cow a 3060 is down to $400 now
warm anchor
this is a good thing
thorny totem
primal solar
Holy cow a 3060 is down to $400 now
wait wot
oops ping
sorry but what happened to the gpu inflation
magic river
I think a 1070 was also $400 so there is still some in there
But that was nvidia's bullshit with the 2000 series before scalpers got in there
The 2060 was the upgrade for the 1070 if you were looking in the same price range but other than ray tracing wasn't much or any performance improvement
magic river
If you're buying it right now no
I think they've already clawed back up to at least not being worse
But they're still $100 more for a decent amount of RAM
primal solar
probably in a couple months
magic river
In probably September or October we'll have AM5 though and it'll be DDR5 only
At that point even if DDR5 is still more expensive for little to no performance improvement you kind of have to get it
primal solar
DDR5 seems like a scam but its just gonna take over the market
magic river
I suspect Raptor Lake or Meteor Lake is also going to be DDR5 only so if you want to keep the same RAM through the next couple years of PC upgrades it would be worth it on the Intel side too
Although who buys a new CPU and mobo every year or two?
primal solar
👀
magic river
Ah, Raptor Lake is pin compatible with Alder Lake so will still do DDR4
primal solar
Although who buys a new CPU and mobo every year or two?
I got a madman of a friend who is too rich for his own good
magic river
They probably don't salvage RAM from the previous system then either
magic river
I got two LG 27GN950B last year, not going to switch those out for at least another 4 years unless QD-LED gets really cheap really fast
primal solar
He has 128 gb of RAM and I have never seen his pc even remotely reach 20 gigs
His dad was rich af and he has enough money that even the kids of his kids dont need to work
sterile yoke
XD
rare python
🤔
royal sand
Quite rude considering it wasn’t there yesterday but is there today, so probably just a Discord bug.
worn ember
super rude, ban this guy
wet storm
Does anyone know why Guava's graphs throw CME in MutableGraph in case I don't do anything in parallel?
java.util.ConcurrentModificationException: null
at java.util.LinkedHashMap$LinkedHashIterator.nextNode(LinkedHashMap.java:756) ~[?:?]
at java.util.LinkedHashMap$LinkedEntryIterator.next(LinkedHashMap.java:788) ~[?:?]
at java.util.LinkedHashMap$LinkedEntryIterator.next(LinkedHashMap.java:786) ~[?:?]
at com.google.common.graph.MapIteratorCache$1$1.next(MapIteratorCache.java:121) ~[guava-31.0.1-jre.jar:?]
at net.drf.drfpaper.loader.DRFCorePluginLoader$DependencyOrderLoader.loadCorePluginsInDependencyOrder(DRFCorePluginLoader.java:226) ~[main/:?]
at net.drf.drfpaper.loader.DRFCorePluginLoader.loadCorePlugins(DRFCorePluginLoader.java:65) ~[main/:?]
at net.minecraft.server.Main.main(Main.java:103) ~[main/:?]
at org.bukkit.craftbukkit.Main.main(Main.java:289) ~[main/:?]
I am making simple dependency loading algorithm, I messed around with intellij debugger, there is only one thread, and it happens on MutableGraph.nodes() execution.
The part of an algorithm where it happens (CME happens only after some other dependency loaded, not by a first execution)
final MutableGraph<CorePlugin> localDependencyGraph = Graphs.copyOf(dependencyGraph);
for (CorePlugin node : localDependencyGraph.nodes()) {
final Deque<CorePlugin> corePluginDeque = new ArrayDeque<>();
corePluginDeque.push(node);
while (!corePluginDeque.isEmpty()) {
CorePlugin currentCorePlugin = corePluginDeque.pop();
Set<CorePlugin> predecessors = localDependencyGraph.predecessors(currentCorePlugin);
if (predecessors.isEmpty()) {
localDependencyGraph.removeNode(currentCorePlugin);
executeOnLoad(currentCorePlugin);
break;
}
for (CorePlugin predecessor : predecessors) {
corePluginDeque.push(predecessor);
}
}
}
next frost
you're editing the graph while iterating
quiet cloak
@compact loom your pay to win server will be blacklisted soon :)
it's been reported to a friend of a friend, which works at mojang
limber knotBOT
you sure it's not your uncle?
quiet cloak
you sure it's not your uncle?
imma be honest here i have proof lol
wet storm
what's wrong with pay2win servers? Just don't play them
quiet cloak
what's wrong with pay2win servers? Just don't play them
they are against mojang tos, and are complete bullshit servers, farming money
warm anchor
<@910996646995820574> your pay to win server will be blacklisted soon :)
There is no need to show your hostility here and it is fine you done with your report but taunting is toxic and is never a good thing. Especially we cannot verify your claim
quiet cloak
okay
warm anchor
Report and move on is the way to go
warm anchor
I personally dont mind but we are trying to make this place friendly 🙂
quiet cloak
okay my bad
warm anchor
ofcoz shtposting is fine
foggy veldt
I genuinely thought it was a shitpost because of the “friend of a friend who works at mojang” 💀
warm anchor
okay my bad
but I understand the frustration as a legit server owner that follows rules. Just want to let you know that your anger is relatable 
quiet cloak
but I understand the frustration as a legit server owner that follows rules. Jus...
lol
rare python
p2w servers bad
foggy veldt
All my homies hate genshin impact
warm anchor
wdym genshin is you pay and get nothing back
rare python
p2w servers bad
It does not matter to me that there against Mojang's TOS, there still bad regardless.
warm anchor
there is no winning in genshin you cant even pvp!
foggy veldt
pay 2 pay :TrollDespair:
mental meadow
it's been reported to a friend of a friend, which works at mojang
;)
rare python
Imagine writing a plugin that uses the maven library loader so you don't have duplicate dependencies in your plugins could not be me
wet storm
Do servers running by streamers only for one event where people who donate bigger cash on a stream to win because it is a fun content for a stream against mojang TOS?
foggy veldt
;)
If someone like that followed me I’d be too scared to message them directly I’d just throw out subtweets like “it’s extremely frustrating seeing servers like the one at 192.168.0.1 violate mojang Eula with their store at https://localhost 😔”
void void
it's still against TOS if it's only for one event, yes
mental meadow
If someone like that followed me I’d be too scared to message them directly I’d ...
na we do have contactt with mojang in general^^
quiet cloak
p2w servers bad
tru
worn ember
@vernal moth this guy know what they're talking about https://www.reddit.com/r/belgium/comments/uz7fvz/as_a_german_i_tried_my_first_duvel_in_belgium/
limber knotBOT
(DiscordBot) As a German, i tried my first Duvel in Belgium today. And it's... : belgium - 182 comments, 874 points - HyprexMax, 16h ago
vernal moth
I mean, Belgian beer was fine
Really depends on where that guy is coming from tho
I was in brussels with school for a few days and what was really cool is seeing the amount of choice
Like, we went to this restaurant (with our teacher, she didn't know yet that that would turn out to be a terrible idea, lol) and just ordered every single beer they had on their menu
(after each other, lol)
We would all take bets how the next glass would look like, lol
Sadly don't have any pics of that night since the assistant teacher who had here cam and took all pics was actually smart and didn't go with us, lol
wet storm
Like, we went to this restaurant (with our teacher, she didn't know yet that tha...
in brussels with school
orders every single beer in a restaurant
vernal moth
What did you do on school trips? ^^
wet storm
I have and had no ones 😭
vernal moth
Deal was just to be back at the hostel at 11
Since the day after we did visit like the EP and commission and been to two embassies and shit
And the teacher didn't want us to show up all wasted
Then again, we were still pretty dead, I still have a pic of a class mate where she was just sleeping in a chair in EP while the rest pretended to listen to some guide
radiant oriole
twin lagoon
mental meadow
ez
mental meadow
what shortcomings? not being able to get everything done in time for the update probably because of covid? giving us a really big chat update? implementing a cool new boss and structures to find?
buh huh I don't get a birch forest. Be glad we still get updates, could be TF2
mild rune
tf2 will be fixed one day 
worn ember
tf2 will be fixed one day <:copium:915675951705243689>
dead game
warm anchor
Dota > csgo > tf2
worn ember
+1
frank otter
I like tf2 but I've never played the other tf2
vernal moth
Don't think that's possible
Been here, trapped for 12 years
Am sorry, but Minecraft is terminal
And I don't even play this game, lol
Well, I don't sell stuff
I once did
It's just no fun
Don't need multiple if the primary is good
Exactly
I just wanna do what I wanna do
Money introduces an expectation I can't deliver on
warm anchor
Quit Minecraft and be a proper java developer if you are seeking more income lol
vernal moth
Hopefully that wasn't targeted at me 😂
warm anchor
No no mini. We need you for hangar 
worn ember
i spring the only market for java?
i feel like thats the only use people still have for java
vernal moth
There are alternatives
People also make client side apps in java
It's still one of the most popular programming languages, lol
Only topped by JS iirc
vernal moth
Cause you stuck in a hipster bubble with niche languages like kotlin
worn ember
im in more than just paper though
vernal moth
You are on discord
vernal moth
Well, it's the most popular web framework
vernal moth
There are still people doing java ee tho, some switched to quarkus, micronaut and whatever, people use swing for stuff, android exists, etc
Well, you are a c# dev, what do you expect? Lol
worn ember
im not going to get biased results if i just search job offerings on a random site
at least i'd hope so
vernal moth
Press X to doubt ^^
Also, I guess there are local differences too
Some countries oppose Microsoft more than others
worn ember
everything here seems to be MS for some reason
vernal moth
Heck, Germany is still the country with the highest Firefox market share, we don't trust american companies, at all
worn ember
well i'd take ASP over Spring any day though. Anything else in java i'm fine with
idk i just have a grudge against spring lmao
worn ember
ive had as much classes on spring than i did on asp though
it just doesnt appeal to me
though asp.net is also a pain in the ass, but blazor is amazing
no more mvvm and mvc bullshit
vernal moth
Welllll
worn ember
at least not as convoluted
worn ember
wym locking me in? it just C# in the end, its not like i cant learn other frameworks if i have to
same as with java
worn ember
yeah
vernal moth
C# to wasm
So yeah, that's locking you in to a dead end instead of just giving in and using proper web stuff
worn ember
well, not all of it, dom stuff is to js since you cant manipulate the dom with WASM
vernal moth
Heh blazor even does RPC like gwt
worn ember
i still gotta use js, html and css
less but still have to
so its the same like using any other framework
worn ember
its not locking in more than using node or php for websites
just that you can use C# for it instead
worn ember
i have no clue what gwt is
worn ember
java applets?
worn ember
i mean just cuz GWT died doesnt mean blazor or whatever will lol. bit of a shot in the dark there
theres thousands of frameworks out there
some are bound to die
vernal moth
GWT died because of its wrong architecture
worn ember
we'll have to see if blazor catches on, its still in early release stage
vernal moth
And all am saying is that I see the patterns repeated here, but I am also saying that I have no clue
worn ember
blazor is fully client side so you still need a webserver if you want to do stateful things. so techncially you can write the backend in whatever
since it uses signalr for communication
well you have blazor server but i havent tried that
vernal moth
Same with GWT, that's what saved us, we didn't use their grpc but normal rest
So we didn't need to throw away the backends
worn ember
i really like how it works and how you use it and it seems a lot of other people like it too so we'll see
vernal moth
I guess am just trained to think in longer intervals
worn ember
its still cutting edge and already has improved massively
vernal moth
My code will most likely run for another decade
The backend of our websites that I wrote as apprentice that is
It's like 6 years old already and will easily live another 6
worn ember
thats the nice thing about most webstuff, if it works it just keeps working
vernal moth
Have you ever taken a codebase from java 6 to 17 tho? 😂
worn ember
i dont intend to 🙂
vernal moth
Big companies just work on different clocks
worn ember
havent even graduated yet and i already had to deal with legacy hell twice in college projects
access database with 90+ tables that they literally had to copy over and rename cuz access can only hold x amount of bytes per table
nothing normalized etc
VBS...
vernal moth
Well, I am also not in legacy hell
I think being able to use java 17 in an enterprise environment shows that we do something right, lol
worn ember
the other project was for a power company that just had a massive sql table with 83 columns that got dumped into it from an api, and they wanted us to visualize that shit in grafana
havent had any good experience with companies so far
and my internship is a research project where no one seems to give a fuck so i'm just doing whatever and making up my own requirment cuz no one else wants to
uncut kindle
Apologies for interrupting, 22W11A removed the dimensions folder from the worldgen reference pack, was wondering if those files are still floating around somewhere, or if I'd have to attempt to recreate it myself?
wet storm
I wonder, are minecraft plugins more web dev or game dev? Like, I see that people mainly write plugins as a "bridge" between their web infrastructure and their mc server, they use dbs and other pretty web stuff, but minecraft is a game, it has a game loop, etc. and you have an ability to change game mechanics with plugins, and I feel like mc plugins are a crazy mix of web and game dev, lol...
worn ember
I wonder, are minecraft plugins more web dev or game dev? Like, I see that peopl...
i'd say more towards game dev as the web stuff is usually just interface and fairly basic communication
largely depends on what you're doing though
if you change gameplay mechanics obviously its gonna be game dev
vernal moth
You can't really place stuff into categories like that tbh
Plugins are more real time than most web projects I guess
warm anchor
Most company would expect you know some basics if that’s what you are asking
vernal moth
10ms in Minecraft/games are a lot but are absolutely nothing for my work projects for example
little frost
Minecraft is much more ping tolerant though, 10ms is nothing
worn ember
plugin dev is a thing on its own really
vernal moth
It's modding
worn ember
well lesser as in more limited
really came to appreciate minecraft dev tools over the years tbh
if you look at other games, its a giant pain in the ass to mod for them
rather that than fucking an entire update
i wish more game studio's would delay releases instead of releasing a half finished update
wet storm
Mcp 2010: does patches for fixing decomp, and reobf classes, modding.
Paper 2022: does patches, provides many things at once, modding.
Have anyone tried to use paper patch system to server-sidely mod minecraft like 12 years ago, lol?
It'd be really cursed
vernal moth
Many servers do?
Shit like that is only said by people who don't understand how game dev works, lol
Also, like the corona reference, already shows that the author is an idiot, lol
But hey, at least they censored fuck and thus outed themselves as an American, lmao
I'll better run before I say something about guns and jroy becomes angry
wet storm
Many servers do?
Just clearly mod minecraft without providing an additional plugin api for themselves and make content in plugins? I doubt... it'd be a real hell to update upstream
vernal moth
You got no idea how much cursed shit I saw already
ashen cliff
Shit like that is only said by people who don't understand how game dev works, l...
Look. We just wanted the piss cow.
wet storm
You got no idea how much cursed shit I saw already
Fuck, I feel like I really over engineer everything... what is your "open source policy" as a person? I mean, mine is share everything if a project owner allows that and it is not a cringe. I think that for now my "policy" wastes my time, (making readable docs, proper buildscript so anyone could download and use, etc.) but it'll worth it later...
mental meadow
you can just open source your code, no one forces you to actually write proper documentation
look at minimessage
vernal moth
Yeah I throw whatever I do on my GitHub
Most freelancing work I did was not creating something from scratch, just playing fire fighter and fixing shit
But there's def stuff that is on my GitHub that somebody paid me to write
Like, looking at my repos
I was paid for this https://github.com/MiniDigger/AngryPig/blob/master/src/main/java/dev/benndorf/angrypig/AngryPig.java 😂
This too, lol
lavish tapir
What is best free 24/7 host
ashen cliff
Oracle.
twin lagoon
none
void void
best and free don't really go together
glass crag
well best is different to good
lament patio
They're all more or less the same
glass crag
i only hear a few ppl using the free oracle server
dont even know what else exists tbh
lament patio
Things like minehut, aternos and such
wet storm
oracle free tier abuse 😭
real zealot
@pulsar tide, genuinely confused why i got a ping from here 
pulsar tide
real zealot
Hello! How are you
real zealot
Have a safe flight!!
warm anchor
worn ember
@warm anchordota wen
warm anchor
Should be fine. I am flight out before memorial weekend away from tourist spot so it can’t be too bad
warm anchor
<@177150983258767360>dota wen
Need to cure this Lost Ark addiction first
worn ember
reee
warm anchor
Also TI in Singapore hahahaha
worn ember
dead game
warm anchor
I guess they probably ain’t expecting many people?
Especially that China is basically locked down rn
golden gust
They locked down like crazy early, covid 0, and then basically when we got more infectious strains, they where struggling to get people vaccinated but where maintaining covid 0 well, but, issue is that the thing got into their business centre area, and ofc they didn't wanna lock down there so tried to mitigate a c0 lockdown there, but, they also found out that like, the virus can travel through the bog pipes on flats, etc
worn ember
ur a bog pipe
golden gust
nou
warm anchor
iPhone 14 delayed 
quasi valley
iPh
nes
tho I'm glad I got the X, just around the time they stopped actually changing anything about their phones except for the camera
warm anchor
I am still using a 11 pro maxI am really outdated by Paper standard
meager tusk
I'm using KGBPhone.
turbid oar
I'm using KGBPhone.
Whats a kgbphone 
warm anchor
also, HAPPY BIRTHDAY 
🍰 🍥 🥮 
@quasi valley
golden gust
KNENY U HABBI BIRTHDAY SLOOT
turbid oar
Whats a kgbphone <:kekw:674093681963302933>
Nvm i googled it
quasi valley
where's my present, cat
golden gust
It's me \o/
cosmic raft
is the receipt included?
rare python
[17:55:27 ERROR]: [STDERR] [org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_18_R2.legacy.CraftLegacy] Initializing Legacy Material Support. Unless you have legacy plugins and/or data this is a bug!
rare python
`[17:55:27 ERROR]: [STDERR] [org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_18_R2.legacy.CraftLegacy]...
Save me
warm anchor
outside of your door rn kneny
quasi valley
turbid oar
Did I just read legacy in that error......
worthy geode
I would be already happy if those phones still worked with modern digital house connections
turbid oar
bluetooth retrofitted KGB phones
That does sound kinda dope. I would vibe with that
true canyon
I'm impressed overwolf found a way to make curseforge worse than they were back in the Bukkit days.
golden gust
overwolf? kill? what?!
worthy geode
Seems more like killing themselves to me
That's one step towards making curseforge less relevant
golden gust
Curseforge has the monoply
which, is the sad reality when it comes to the prehistorics of shit
(Somebody should be tryna see if Modrinth is willing and able to deal with that traffic and write an import tool, lol)
void void
@quasi valley where should I send your birthday gift to? Should be in time for the next stream
void void
I'm impressed overwolf found a way to make curseforge *worse* than they were bac...
I'm genuinely surprised CF isn't dead yet
warm anchor
Good work overwolf, working hard to kill the community
I mean this could be predicted miles away LOL
golden gust
CF isn't dead because theres been no alternative for CF which is reputable and reliable
warm anchor
@void void my old fashioned MC mod players still think CF is the best
golden gust
literally the only reason
warm anchor
espcially those who play old old school mods
mental meadow
glass crag
CF also the only platform to give $ to modders
warm anchor
bread crumbs if you ask me
worn ember
you need like millions of downloads to even get anything
void void
paypal + pateron links on description
void void
I'd assume some do
glass crag
some people get millions of downloads 😄
vernal moth
If I or any other paper team member ever proposes to give any company any control over hangar please slap them on spot
warm anchor
I will personally fly to Germany and slap you Mini dw
worn ember
some people get millions of downloads 😄
congrats you now get a 5$ amazon gift card
build in a kill switch mini
backdoor
true canyon
If I or any other paper team member ever proposes to give any company any contro...
What if you take the classic Bukkit strategy and secretly make a NDA'd contract signing over rights to the brand and your Paper commits too, in exchange for shitty hosting?
warm anchor
paypal + pateron links on description
just watch it to be the next thing to be removed/banned 
vernal moth
Speaking about shit people should be slapped for, am at the cinema with friends, watching ads/trailers, and the Jurassic world trailer had an NFT ad
Like wtf
worn ember
what movie you gonna watch?
golden gust
Not sure if I'm sad or glad that the majority of the public doesn't understand/know about NFTs
worn ember
why would you be sad about that
vernal moth
What if you take the classic Bukkit strategy and secretly make a NDA'd contract ...
I think the only reason I ever see for a company to get involved is an ad network, but it would be limited to exactly that and designed in a way where we can switch them out easily if needed
mental meadow
if they'd understand they wouldnt buy them
void void
^
worn ember
imagine buying something you dont understand
vernal moth
what movie you gonna watch?
Dr strange
worn ember
deserve to get scammed lul
mental meadow
I think the only reason I ever see for a company to get involved is an ad networ...
no
worn ember
oh fun
worn ember
leaked
i watched morbius yesterday, i dont understand all the negative reviews
it wasnt amazing but it wasnt bad either
warm anchor
oh shit. I know that location 
I am sending ded in now
mental meadow
morb
worn ember
oh shit. I know that location <a:HACKERMAN:891257188193009695> I am sending ded ...
going in on bike cuz no drivers license
mental meadow
eternity do you know what great game I started again while waiting for windows to fix EAC
it's the best game
void void
you buy the opportunity to have a:
- nonesense number, representing hash of your asset
- written besides nonsense number, that represents your address
- written at a nonesense number, that represents address of one out of almost/effectively infinate, equally valid, smart contracts
- without any actual rights or ownership of original asset
- which you can't prove you pseudo-own, without releasing the EXACT to every bit copy of the original asset, which can be used to actually calculate that hash
NFTs described accurately
golden gust
if they'd understand they wouldnt buy them
with is literally my point
mental meadow
cat pls like my tweet
golden gust
if people understood what BS they are and how harmful they can be, the public would actually be able to stand against that BS, etc
plucky plaza
yo, Im done with my velocity plugin
It's a combo of a server side forge mod and a velocity plugin utilising only the api
No client mod needed
turbid oar
🥲
true canyon
sprays cat with water cut that out!
turbid oar
brit?
golden gust
I live on the land of britbong
true canyon
Channel brit should be off the internet by now, down at the pub eating fish and chips while yelling about their football team, too many pints in
turbid oar
when I googled the word...
wet storm
I live on the land of britbong
Thanks for expanding my english lexicon 😄
have you ever been called britbong by anyone?
vestal jasper
Now's the time :^)
golden gust
Vic, do you like running in wheat fields?
vestal jasper
Do you like shitting on carpets and beds?
twin lagoon
@vestal jasper
vestal jasper
@twin lagoon
twin lagoon
uwu
vestal jasper
uwu
golden gust
Oh god, when they where comparing amber to other actors and the social media shit
and one of the people where like, "but did any of those actors have reports come out about them defacating the marital bed?"
vestal jasper
I'm not sure I'd stick around after that tbqh
golden gust
vestal jasper
There's a line and intentionally doing that is somewhere over it
golden gust
but yea, my mate was talking about it and so I got into watching it the past few days, given my brain is already mush, figured it was something to do, especially on lawtube
cyan marsh
wtf stranger thing season 4 kinda trash end. Altho they do be releasing 2 more episodes 1st june
golden gust
netflix netflixs
cyan marsh
huh
potent wedge
Do I haved to pay past episode 3 for spy x family?
Im asking first so I don't get disappointed when I find out myself
potent wedge
Crunchy roll
golden gust
I mean, first thing I see on the CR website when I look at spy x family is a crown on the 4th episodes thumbnail
potent wedge
Yeah that's what makes me think it
void void
Hi guys. I have a question. I am not quite sure if this is the right place to get support for it but I'm going to see:
I run a Minecraft server (Paper/Spigot, 1.18.2, hosted with PebbleHost, large RAM, everything on the latest version) and I have recently added mines.
I was wondering if there is a way to allow players to enchant items beyond the limit set by Mojang (such as prot 4 etc.). I would like them to be able to enchant up to, if possible, custom limits (like I could set the limit for protection to 8). I know how to get such items through commands however I would like players to be able to enchant it themselves with an anvil.
I would really appreciate if anyone knew how this could be done? I have searched for plugins however can't seem to find any, and I can't find an option in any config files for anything.
Thanks so much if you can help.
(please ping me if you are responding)
potent wedge
Hi guys. I have a question. I am not quite sure if this is the right place to ge...
1, that's a insanely long question
2, #paper-help
3, possible
golden gust
possible? yes
warm anchor
@void void #paper-help
golden gust
existing plugins? probably not
void void
Ok thanks guys
golden gust
Please don't flood the discord.
potent wedge
When is paper getting VR port?
mental meadow
always wanted to run a fucking server in VR
turbid oar
When is paper getting VR port?
what!?
lol that would be cool
I have a oculus quest 2
worn ember
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es-Wye1kCW4
that case is a goldmine
turbid oar
but my laptop doesn't support vr sadly :(
worn ember
its so absurd it could literally be a staged court series and i'd watch it
golden gust
The best part is is ambers countersuit
worn ember
I feel bad for Depp tbh
golden gust
if she didn't counter sue, they wouldn't of called on the psychatric experts, and much stuff wouldn't of come out in the trial, and so, she basically fucked herself here
worn ember
yeah well it shows pretty hard that shes not right in the head
golden gust
It's funny though, the fact that her case allowed all this evidence to come in, the lawyers on depps team had many celebratory moments where she brought up stuff, like, shoulda seen the fist pump from ben chew when heard mentioned kate moss's name
then her expert brought up the fact that it's common for people suffering domestic abuse to do certain things, and many times that was brought up, the jury looked at depp, one of them even smiled and such at his team when that was brought up once
then there was the two images, in which heards thing was "oh, I turned on the light", but the file name showed the exact same second, and depps expert had a video which overlayed like 2 different images, showing that the only difference between the two was the coloring of the images, same time, to the second, in the files, etc
and, the jury is not supposed to have any leanings on objections, etc, but when her lawyers literally object to something and announce that they don't want the experts to reference the colors between the two images, etc; just, damn
I think depps team pretty much destroyed the credability of all of heards experts, she's pretty much been destroyed, and depp vindicated, in the court of public opinion, they had a WB guy in charge of contracts and stuff whom admitted that they where considering not taking up heards contract option because during editing they had to do sooooo much work to make the chemistry between her and jason in aquaman work
lavish compass
wtf is the deal with depp v amber
golden gust
I mean, there two big names within certain areas
worthy geode
people enjoying some harmless drama to distract them from the real bad things that are happening
golden gust
You've got depp who was casted out of hollywood attributed towards heards stements and stuff, and then heard whom was basically one of the biggest forefronts of the MeToo movement
warm anchor
I followed the whole thing. I think depp is innocent based on evidences presented
frank steeple
Anyone know any plugin that makes lavacasts less laggy? Like i dont want to be lava water cobble mechanics completly removed...
Ping me if you know any
warm anchor
Anyone know any plugin that makes lavacasts less laggy? Like i dont want to be l...
Set up a shop that sells lava basket for dirt
frank steeple
Like it would do cobblestones in several ticks instead in 1
frank steeple
Set up a shop that sells lava basket for dirt
What
Is that joke?
Or idk what do you mean
twin lagoon
weebs
frank steeple
I mean you want to completely remove the need for cobblestone machine right?
Thats exactly what i want avoid
warm anchor
So if you just give them unlimited cobble and lava. They wouldn’t need to build the laggy machine!
frank steeple
I just know when a lots of cobble generates in 1 tick it laggs server
warm anchor
That’s my thought process
I do exactly that for villagers
In my small server
I remove the need for people to have big trading halls for resource
frank steeple
Yea im putting it on my lasts option list on very bottom
warm anchor
You can try enable AC redstone thing from the recent paper patch and see
upbeat falconBOT
warm anchor
Thought I thought that’s more for redstone dust heavy machines so idk if that would help at all
frank steeple
Explain more idk what u mean im, not avarage paper enjoyeer only avarage paper fan
mental meadow
Stop spamming reacts
mental meadow
redstone implementation is the config option i think
placid thicket
this one is new to me TL:DR?
[58882.486s][warning][gc,alloc] Paper Async Chunk Task Thread #3: Retried waiting for GCLocker too often allocating 820436 words
you ran out of memory
twin lagoon
it's kinda bork
performance will be shit since it'll run old gen garbage collection causing massive lag spikes
placid thicket
its not happening all the time, just like 5 times in a minute then not for a few hours
is it off heap memory i need more of? or on heap?
i'm just used to running out of memory being an instant crash
golden gust
when the heap runs out of memory, stuff allocating objects will thrown an OOM
outside of the JVM itself running out of memory, OOMs are just a typical exception
placid thicket
ok, so if understand, i need to give the container more memory, but the JVM itself is still running fine?
well not fine, but not crashing
golden gust
No
if I do new Object()
but the heap is full, it will throw an exception saying that the allocation failed because the heap was fully
GCLocker is a precursor towards that exception where it thinks it MIGHT be able to allocate stuff if it can run a GC cycle, but, it's locked from doing a GC cycle for some reason, and so it stails waiting
that there specifically is a "we've tried waiting for some time to wait for this lock to be released so that we can try to GC and allocate this object, but we're still stuck here"
It's not 100% an OOM yet, but, memory pressure is too damned high
placid thicket
i understand
grand pewter
iv seen that error happen a lot of servers that have memory leaks
might not always be the case but i havent seen it much outside that
placid thicket
JVM is on the verge of collapse but has not crossed the line. could it hang indefinitely in this state without triggering an OOM? that would explain one of my other issues
golden gust
Yea, I mean, as said, all we can say is that memory pressure is too high
well, theres various forms of OOM, some which kill the JVM, others which can throw the app into a bad state if they're not really handling OOMs, and, well, OOMs are one of the many unsolved issues of software development
placid thicket
and i feel like i already know the answer to this, but probably caused by async world edit?
golden gust
can be caused by anything eating a chunk of memory
placid thicket
would a timings report perhaps reflect that?
golden gust
timings would potentially just show GC shitting the bed
it won't really say what, you'd need a heap dump for that
placid thicket
hmmm... how would i go about doing that in a useful way?
CAN i even do that on a hosted server?
grand pewter
you could try common things like spark heap summary first to see if theres any obvious plugin stuff etc
heap dumb would probably be better but generally huge files so try summary first
placid thicket
server is on 4gb of ram till 1.19 because owner doesn't want to pay while its not being used. i suspect thats a big part of it but IDK i just work here yknow?
golden gust
On a hosted server, eeer, I mean, theres spark, and /paper heapdump
(or whatever the command was)
sparks heap summaries can be kinda useful in some cases, is fast but lacks some context
placid thicket
i needed to restart to load spark, how long should i wait? till i see the message again i guess?
worthy geode
yeah. on a fresh start the ram should be quite empty
summer dirge
As a server admin, is there anything special I should be thinking about now for 1.19? (paper of course)
worthy geode
wait a bit until Paper is stable before updating, don't rush it
golden gust
I mean, outside of large changes, most updates are waiting on plugins vs the server software itself
turbid oar
I mostly wait till plugins are mostly updated before upgrading
golden gust
big thing servers need to do which they suck at is keeping an eye on plugins, big crime I see for servers is servers which depend/rely on plugins which haven't been maintained in years
turbid oar
big thing servers need to do which they suck at is keeping an eye on plugins, bi...
I keep an eye on that sort of stuff. its usually the server owners who let other people mess with their plugins instead of keeping it up themselves.
magic river
Northernlion playing Golfie, first skin he unlocks is an egg with glasses. That had to be hardcoded, based on his steam id or just anyone with his display name
vernal moth
My dream is to be able to have ad payouts to devs as a form of compensation
magic river
aka DBO
magic river
Has there been any hint from md5 on how signed chat is going to work?
After learning it wasn't required my guess is he'll just ignore it and servers just don't get to use previews and signed chat
ashen cliff
I dislike the fact that previews will be abused to hell.
magic river
The ideal would be to force plugins to move chat event formatters to preview event and then chat event is just for logging, it's read only
vernal moth
aka DBO
Yes, but hopefully learning from all of that, since we have people around that were involved with that
As I said, we don't want to give up any control, hangar should always be by the community for the community
We can fund the infra ourselves with the help of the community
twin lagoon
opensource the infra when ??
warm anchor
We’d have to make kashike’s basement public…
cosmic raft
potent wedge
How is crunchy roll a replacement for Funimation when it's worse in every way
viscid wedge
spare venture
someone sent me a linked in connect request and they have this listed as their education
swift root
pruhfeshuhnul
golden gust
I requested my data from spotify for my data on the 25th because people where looking into what spotify tracked and such
I got an email yesterday saying that my data was ready to download, so, I downloaded it
and then I got another email saying that the data was available to download
and now I'm up to 40 emails saying that the data is ready to download
drowsy urchin
Now that is epic
foggy veldt
Spotify data is nothing, YouTube music uses the weather in your area to recommend songs for you
void void
and now I'm up to 40 emails saying that the data is ready to download
I think they might be trying to tell you your data is ready
cosmic raft
@golden gust https://youtu.be/hbcigBcze6o
golden gust
limber knotBOT
I'll step on ur tail
vernal moth
Back to the stone age you go ^^
rare python
ikr
primal solar
Is he bringing back copper coins and carts too?
rare python
lol
rare python
I mean I already wanted to leave this hell hole of a country
Now I want to even more
warm anchor
boris is bringing back imperial mesurements in the UK
Wow Americanize British
golden gust
It's currently 49 degrees where I am right now
warm anchor
57 here wow! It sure is cold in UK rn!!
primal solar
github copilot is so hot sometimes
golden gust
mfw I just learned how to dev instead
golden gust
watching dev streams was one of the best things I ever did when starting, tbqh
primal solar
I was following kody simpson for sometime, realised mf uses so many bad practises
golden gust
Yeaa, straight up, anybody creating plugin tuts in this place is generally best avoided
primal solar
mhm
golden gust
most devs are also generally kinda adverse to streaming in my exerience because imposter syndrome go brrrr
But, when some do, rly good
See if aikar has some old streams, etc
Like, we all have bad practices, pick and mix, really; but, seeing and hearing how people thing and apply stuff is a large part of learning
primal solar
didnt know aikar streamed
primal solar
Like, we all have bad practices, pick and mix, really; but, seeing and hearing h...
Obviously there cannot be a perfect developer, kinda impossible
golden gust
annnnd another one
.
quasi cave
any recommendations for a JOBs plugin?
topaz mortar
Jobs
worn ember
Plugin
topaz mortar
any recommendations for a JOBs plugin?
wet storm
watching dev streams was one of the best things I ever did when starting, tbqh
imo one of the best things I did when starting was watching programming conferences, like, they give you a lot of material and things "from a real world" (not block game dev) and they also reference to each other and you may rewatch these conferences several times later, and you'll understand more things which you didn't understand on the first time watching them. Am I the only fan of conferences here?...
golden gust
I mean, watching stuff which you can pull from is always good
I watched one JB presentation and made a simple change which drastically improved my productivety
(I disabled tabs)
worn ember
Reading books and docs is how I get around
wet storm
And I started minecraft dev with MCP mods, and it was in 2019, I had really weird logic, but imo it really helped me later, my logic was: "Hmmm... I see that modern minecraft is too hard to understand, mod tools are also hard, is there any tools where I can mess around with really old versions manually editing minecraft?" It helped me because I didn't touch "easy to learn" spigot plugins which has many bad code practices, and I didn't touch too hard things like fabric or forge where I'd burn out after one day trying to use them... conclusion: mcp mods are good for learning dev
golden gust
I refuse to believe that DED can read
worn ember
Occasionally i watch a tutorial if i need something specific
I almost have a bachelor's degree cat
golden gust
scary
wet storm
And I started minecraft dev with MCP mods, and it was in 2019, I had really weir...
Have you ever messed around with mcp mods?
worn ember
I started modding in 1.6.4 forge was around already
It was in the boom period. So even shitty mods got thousand of downloads a day
golden gust
what?
wet storm
golden gust
idr, was some music vid or something iirc
quick obsidian
fuck yeah i coded a talisman bag
syncs across servers with mysql / mongodb
with a customizable size set via permissions
happy with this
wet storm
Congrats
quick obsidian
ty
charred sleet
Hmm, anyone know how this is representing the week?
72221 is used as the value for this week, and 72220 for last week. how do i interpret this?
i did try a epoch thing, but 52 * 53 in a year is like 2700 ish
so nowhere near
looking at it, we are in the 21st calendar week this year so if you subtract that off we are in 72200 this year
22 can just be the year but i still dont know what the 7 is
its not even returned by an API request, it is just embedded in the HTML that is returned so there is no hints
charred sleet
no, the dates are done weekly, however you might be right with regards to it representing the day that the week starts on maybe
although it seems weird that they would essentially 1-index the week
glass crag
Yeah that's weird, what you said could also make sense
If the week starts on Sunday the week number will be different to if it started on Monday
vernal moth
This looks like a week date
A really strange one but 7 22 21 would be 2022 W21 7 in iso 8601 I guess
It could also be the week number in a leap cycle (which are often 400 years for such week dates)
But 400 years are 20000 something weeks I think
charred sleet
I looked back to last week in december and they used 72152
so it looks like the 7 is constant and then YY WW
jade light
Maybe 7 is the century? So 72221 is week 21 of year 22 of century 7. Weird because it would put zero at 1300
Is there any date with a different starting number?
charred sleet
ill see how far i can go back
wait hang on thats never gonna work
im not gonna be able to scroll back like 20 years lmfao
but weirdly, if i change the 7 to a 5, it returns slightly different data
guess ill never know
jade light
Maybe it's the period of the last 2 digits? Like 52 accounts for 7-day periods, aka weeks
charred sleet
If i change it to 32151, i still get 7 values back but they just have no data: {"20211220":[],"20211221":[],"20211222":[],"20211223":[],"20211224":[],"20211225":[],"20211226":[]}
worn ember
java interfaces should always be named in singular form right?
charred sleet
IEntities 🤮
i mean i wouldnt call a class Entities anyways
what is your example?
worn ember
my design patterns book already got 2 things "wrong" and i'm only doing the first pattern 
they explicitly declare methods public in an interface (theyre public by default) and they use plural sometimes for interface names
like Windows as in windows of a car or van
charred sleet
ew
wet storm
Hungarian notation ☠️
worn ember
if you're gonna use code examples at least do them right lol
charred sleet
yeah i mean no i would have a Window and then a Van with Set<Window> you know
charred sleet
worn ember
little pet peeve
charred sleet
personal preference a lot of the time i think though
worn ember
back to studying 
charred sleet
but if its in a book, make it right 😅
worn ember
resourcepacks
quasi cave
ah, so i would be able to do for any plugin then, nice
worn ember
ye
fucking kek man, so they're talking about the abstract factory pattern and the diagram is wrong too... they're both CarFactory while one should be that and the other should be VanFactory 
this is gonna be a painful study
wet storm
Has anyone here heard of grasp patterns? What do you think about them?
charred sleet
heard of, not understand though
quasi cave
not sure if we can tell by now, but i am in fact the definition of LAZY, err on that note, is mcmarket legit legit? seems so off just the name alone having the - in between, i can see for the Jobs Reborn plugin some people have made GUIs already or rather CONFIGS for it, anyone used the platform before?
wet storm
english pls
twin lagoon
not sure if we can tell by now, but i am in fact the definition of LAZY, err on ...
it's just a marketplace platform, the site itself is legit
but be cautious about the stuff that is being sold there
a lot of it tends to be low quality
avoid any spigot forks that can be found there
quasi cave
no worries, since learning about paper i havent looked back at any forks
limber knotBOT
low quality or plain copyright infrigement Kappa
potent wedge
it's just a marketplace platform, the site itself is legit
Twitter itself is ligit but be cautious what Twitter are saying
visual egret
hey
jade flax
vernal moth
how is twitter related to mcmarket
It's a good analogy
It's a platform
The platform itself is fine
It's just littered with idiots so you gotta be careful
limber knotBOT
yeah, it's a good comparison. same as twitter profits off of idiots and potential illegal material so does mcm
runs
worn ember
reading about the Prototype pattern, it creates a clone of an existing "dummy" object. The reasoning behind it is that instantiating the class could be expensive, but if the creation of your object is expensive isnt that just bad design?
shouldn't all expensive calculations be done after instantiation?
well ig it would prevent you from having to do the expensive operations again if they're the same
still seems like a weird pattern to me
quasi cave
a lot of it tends to be low quality
lmao i think i'm better off doing the stuff myself then paying for it 😂 the fact some of the configs include the JAR is a bit too sketchy for me & where I draw the line
quasi cave
1.20 or Minecraft 2
we skip 1.20 and go to 1.21 🔮
wet storm
I hope mojang will erase 1. someday like oracle did it with java 8
I mean, even minecraft betas and alphas used "1.", and not "0." there is no point in it...
lament patio
whats after 19
1A
true canyon
What’s after 1.19
What came after 1.9?
mossy vessel
Not sure if there have been any notable releases after 1.8 
true canyon
Did you think I was seriously asking? 🤔
rare python
I hope mojang will erase 1. someday like oracle did it with java 8
Same
wet storm
What did 1.10 even add
bears and magma
native wolf
1.10 was the "Frostburn Update" iirc, it added magma blocks, polar bears, husks, strays among other things
rare python
Oh apparently it added the F3 + G screen
spiral robin
@mossy vessel 
worn ember
Did you think I was seriously asking? 🤔
yes
cyan marsh
guess what i just got for free
5 channel 1000Mb/s network switch
for free
my grandpas friend works in an ISP so he got those to throw away and he gave it to grandpa and he gave it to me
warm anchor
Unmanaged? Ain’t those cheap?
cyan marsh
what does unmanaged mean
warm anchor
But that’s very nice of them to reduce waste by not throwing them away
cyan marsh
wdym they are like 20 €
ashen cliff
More like 10€.
ashen cliff
Can confirm.
cyan marsh
im extremely grateful when he has some old adapters and power supplies for me
now thats basicaly garbage for most people
spiral robin
Hi
mossy vessel
Hello
cyan marsh
sup
warm anchor
spiral robin
foggy veldt
Not sure if there have been any notable releases after 1.8 <:Kappa:6674829871762...
My favorite mc update was 1.16 because it added full color palette to chat.
wet storm
my fav update was 1.8 "bountiful update" because it added slime blocks, so people could make flying machines, and I had fun riding them with friends on servers, but 1.9 added elytras and flying machines became useless. And generally 1.8 was really nice compared to previous updates...
worthy geode
I liked 1.13, it added some content but wasn't as slow as 1.14 and above
cyan marsh
1.12 was cool
brazen token
1.5 and beta 1.2 were my favourites
wet storm
why bukkit community had gone? Why md5 started support bukkit?...
warm anchor
Is this grandpa mbaxter story time?
ashen cliff
1.6.4 ftw!
1.6.4 life!
vestal jasper
Is this grandpa mbaxter story time?
Grab some popcorn and get comfy 
twin lagoon
@vestal jasper
vestal jasper
@twin lagoon uwu
warm anchor
twin lagoon
<@215448923681062913> uwu
uwu
wet storm
why bukkit community had gone? Why md5 started support bukkit?...
I mean, I feel myself pretty new to mc dev community, I heard of some dramas / history, but people don't wanna tell about them too much, so everything I know is late 2021 and now...
vernal moth
There's so much to this
Most people here don't know it
Like, all the stuff around craftbukkit++ and craftbukkit--
It's was all like a decade ago
true canyon
Is this grandpa mbaxter story time?
I'm on break today.
limber knotBOT
tl;dr: stuff happened and people forked
rare python
true canyon
wet storm
oh, do you remember that guy who auto generated 66666 legacy plugins in here and ran his server?
wet storm
oh, I am not that old to have alzheimer
Prob there is a way to send some shit to bstats, so it'd show a maximum integer, but it'd be unfair
true canyon
Prob there is a way to send some shit to bstats, so it'd show a maximum integer,...
Great way to get bastian to go out of his way to ban you from bstats.
pale river
Great way to get bastian to go out of his way to ban you from bstats.
Remember mbax likes it when you write messages to him using the FactionsUUID bstats
true canyon
Not again 
charred sleet
Have y’all seen the new java website? 👀
Running on 56 billion devices globally
So they finally updated the count
noble seal
Do the leaves of trees in snow biomes fall off by themselves without cutting down trees?
unkempt drift
don't think so
leaf blocks have a block data property that tracks how far they are away from a log
meager tusk
https://posili.me/i/L9qWnCts-2022-05-29_20-38-57.png
Delete disk.
visual egret
ooh that’s nice
ashen cliff
Finally unbanned?
twin lagoon
@meager tusk IDRIZ!
twin lagoon
Ask Kin to join back.
they can fill in the unban form
ashen cliff
He did.
charred sleet
ooh that’s nice
look who it is
warm anchor
Fun fact of the day: Oskar was banned for a total of 7.7% of his life time on this earth. and welcome back!
ashen cliff
Could have make it 10%.
I'm still very sad that the server that banned me for 10 years died last year... almost made it.
meager tusk
I'm still very sad that the server that banned me for 10 years died last year......
Bro, now I'm thinking about this.
There's bound to be some server that's banned me for 5 years that's expired.
void void
Have y’all seen the new java website? 👀
ashen cliff
The default tempban from Essentials used to be 10 years I think.
visual egret
Fun fact of the day: Oskar was banned for a total of **7.7%** of his life time o...
that long? 😭
did anything happen while I was away I kinda drifted from plugin dev when velocity moved to paper
warm anchor
I think the whole infra is finally completely moved to paper that's about it.
wet storm
https://java.com/en/download/help/minecraft.html !!!!!!!
I wonder if some oracle employee was annoyed about minecraft questions, so he added this help page...
warm anchor
HAHAHAHHAHA
floral mesa
lol, when a good chunk of java installations is just for minecraft
wet storm
literally, they put zero effort in this page, imo it'd be nicer if they made general question as a landing and not a references to sub pages
ashen cliff
It has just enough effort.
dreamy spear
vernal moth
<@134340832093405184> https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/donation-of-10-on-24-05-2...
Wait lmao you were talking about spigot not paper? 😂 😂
I can't do anything about that, sorry, I am sure spigot staff will handle it :)
muted storm
plucky plaza
...Also it adds modern forwarding support for the forge server
...As you can see in the image above
twin lagoon
tbf that is tested locally
visual egret
that sounds like an RCE
twin lagoon
reminds me more of gmod's mod loading
golden gust
p. sure that's not what they mean
floral mesa
I assume you still need forge at least on the client side
golden gust
(I do wish that mojang would add gmod loading for resource packs, however, I'd bet they'd have a lineup to kiss their buns if they did that)
They think that you're downloading the actual mods themselves
twin lagoon
o
plucky plaza
I assume you still need forge at least on the client side
Yeah, to join a forge server with mods you need forge. If you don't have forge on the client, it will send you to another server behind the proxy that you have configured
worthy geode
you can send mods to a forge client?
I thought the user always needs to install them first
plucky plaza
To clarify, in my plugin the client doesn't download ANYTHING, it's the proxy that downloads handshaking information from the forge server. FORGE-SERVER -----> PROXY
spare venture
do the players have to download anything manually
golden gust
No
plucky plaza
no
golden gust
it's just a huge hack for server switching
worthy geode
Is this;
- Forge support for velocity 1.13+
or - auto download mods required for server if using forge
golden gust
1
worthy geode
ah. the "without having the players install anything on the client" confused me
worthy geode
ngl the second thing would have been more useful, but forge support is also cool
twin lagoon
someone bring back a more sane RCE
worthy geode
someone bring back spout
plucky plaza
If someone wants a quick demo I can show it in VC
I have no mic, bc It's 2 am and people want to sleep
spare venture
i want to play doom on a vanilla client
worthy geode
render doom somewhere else and stream it using maps as display
worthy geode
send inputs to that server as well
can you send packets more often than once per tick?
e.g. could I send 30 map updates per second and the client would show them?
cunning raft
No
worthy geode
so 20 fps it is, sad
wet storm
gh link...?
plucky plaza
It's not quite done, I need to get a proper config file working. Values are hard coded right now. This is not even close to a final product
Also the code needs cleaning
Alot
It has just left the prototype stage
wet storm
eh... why do you make lowercase class names in java..?
plucky plaza
Yea lol. I didn't actually do it on purpose, it just happend.
This is my first Java project
I can refactor them
wet storm
I mean, first character in java class should always be in upper case, not the whole word
plucky plaza
Yes I totally missed that
charred sleet
and dont call ur plugin class main
plucky plaza
ok. This is what a meant with "the code needs cleaning"
I'm gonna clean it before next commit
wet storm
would ServerInfo be a good naming for the interface which is extended by Bukkit's Server and covers methods returning some info about a server? I need such interface and its other implementation because I need to have a server info represented as API before CraftServer (and all bukkit api) initialization.
(making a fork)
rare python
potato
brazen token
Does anyone actually use mongo or postgre in for MC server projects?
Is it worthwhile for a plugin to support them in addition to SQL/Maria?
true canyon
I will be writing some postgres support into a plugin as its first database support but I suspect I will be one of the first. I just really want to try some of its features out 😆
But I know that whenever a host provides a free database it's pretty much always mysql (probably maria but who knows)
twin lagoon
Does anyone actually use mongo or postgre in for MC server projects?
Is it wort...
seen mongodb in the wild a few times
never seen postgres used in a normal minecraft server environment
theoretically you can add support for postgres to an existing mysql plugin without too many issues
brazen token
Trying to decide what compat/ecosystem issue to prioritise next:
- supporting non-sql databases
- supporting non-vault economies
- sponge port
- velocity support
twin lagoon
don't see too much of a reason to support non-sql but that also sounds like something that depends on what you're developing
luckperms is an excellent example of a plugin where datastore flexibility is a big feature imo
swift root
Luckperms is an excellent example of everything luckperms does
wanton dune
is anyone big brained when it comes to WSL? Im tryna allow my host computer to be able to get a ping response from the WSL vm
brazen token
don't see too much of a reason to support non-sql but that also sounds like some...
Our project involves dynamic, player-influenced, interconnected cross-server/instance behaviour.
While we do have a stripped-down protocol that uses only SQLite dbs and bungee channels, it is truly limited.
Our full protocol (and most interserver features) require both bungee messaging and a shared db.
This means that our full featureset is currently only available to bungee ecosystem users with SQL databases running within the bukkit ecosystem.
While that is definitely the largest demographic, there are probably thousands of potential users that it excludes.
Ultimately, we aim to support all major dbs/proxies/server APIs/economy APIs. That will take time though, and as some of those compat changes probably affect more users than others, it's worth prioritising.
I have been somewhat out of the loop for a while now though r/ the current landscape of servers more broadly.
wanton dune
Does anyone actually use mongo or postgre in for MC server projects?
Is it wort...
i use mongodb, i like it - currently using it for player profile(s)/ pvp stats & planning on using it in conjunction with multipaper just to play around with
twin lagoon
Our project involves dynamic, player-influenced, interconnected cross-server/ins...
in that case yes i can imagine it'll be useful to support either mysql or mongodb
golden gust
I mean, the people not using mysql are generally the people whom are gonna be building their own stack from the top
twin lagoon
and for the love of god
don't rely on bungeecord plugin messaging for a project like that
lmao
twin lagoon
right
twin lagoon
it's not messy
wanton dune
im just bad at things
golden gust
redis literally has a messaging component
golden gust
while redis is probs not the best solution, like, it's fucking bete than bungee messaging channels
swift root
I send updates via carrier pigeon??
wanton dune
I send updates via carrier pigeon??
mike thyson mytheries
swift root
mytherieth*
wanton dune
fuck
wanton dune
is anyone experienced with wsl tho :V
swift root
I am not
golden gust
I mean, surely you just gotta find the right IP to ping?
swift root
As in, it might as well mean watermelon slice lover to me
wanton dune
yeah thats what i thought but everything just refuses
i ran ip addr and tried every ipv4 in there but no luck
brazen token
I mean, the people not using mysql are generally the people whom are gonna be bu...
That was what I assumed, although a while ago, the same could be said for sponge and velocity.
Has that changed much recently?
golden gust
I mean, people are looking to change the tide for velocity and sponge
there isn't much push to get rando hosting providers to offer mongo or postgres
adding support for different environments is always nice, but, for the most part, supporting mongo or postgres is somewhat of a niche within this ecosystem, some people will love it, ofc, but, as said, many of those will be DIYing their own stack or will have a mysql server on the side for the public stuff
twin lagoon
sponge 
twin lagoon
i ran `ip addr` and tried every ipv4 in there but no luck
works fine here atleast
could be because i'm using something to hack systemd into wsl2
golden gust
Sponge is a fun one, becasue they defo make a tide within their own environment, just, wider ecosystem is iffy
but, I mean, I love my spongy frens, so ❤️
wanton dune
works fine here atleast
:V what distro are you running?
twin lagoon
wanton dune
ill give it a shot thanks
twin lagoon
i also set a static ip for my wsl instance with https://pastes.dev/uG5IRvOr72
wanton dune
the 3 addresses that are on lines 3 and 4, how did you know what to use?
red timber
michael not using iproute2's json support
L
but then again its output has never changed since scripts depend on it
magic river
Twitter
merry talon
my toxic trait is knowing when a decision is bad but making it anyway because the game is fucking BORING when you play it intelligently
"hmm yes, the correct play in this scenario is to hide behind this box the whole round, even though I know that if I peek I'll have a shot on like 4 different people"
statements made by the utterly deranged
merry talon
https://github.com/nullpo-head/wsl-distrod + arch
systemd in wsl seems scary, i usually shutdown wsl when I'm not using it so it doesn't run rampant on my ram
spare venture
games are a lot more fun when you’re just screwing around
potent wedge
games are a lot more fun when you’re just screwing around
Why games that are purely sandbox no unlocking things (in sandbox) always succeed