general

[mental meadow]

welcome to iOS

(leave the beta and never update again)

[ashen cliff]

I left the beta, they nuked audio for multiple versions aka. removed the experimental option at the time, so I was forced to rejoin the beta, to even use the app.

Can't actually leave the beta now... Interesting.

[mental meadow]

You need to reinstall the app I think?

Also apparently webm support is also gone

[ashen cliff]

After you leave the beta, yeah...

But, the button to leave the beta is gone.

[mental meadow]

the google play store is also loosing quality really fast

[ashen cliff]

No idea what Discord did, but they somehow removed it... Snapchat still has the option.

So I'm not going to blame Google for this one.

[mental meadow]

a few years ago when I set it to auto update it actually auto updated the apps regularly, now it seems to check for updates every 2 months and then update 10% of the apps/available updates

Maybe you already left? Does it say something at the top?

[ashen cliff]

https://www.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/ush2w7/hate_that_discord_removed_the_amoled_theme_heres/

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Hate that Discord removed the AMOLED theme? Here's how to (kind of)... : discordapp - 200 comments, 1,274 points - DiamondOreMaster267, 17h ago

[ashen cliff]

Looks like Discord is just fucking with us at this point.

[ashen cliff]

I did notice that, but only on my main phone, because I was refusing to update one of the apps.

Other times, everything got force updated and started doing API errors.
So, I assume they do some kind of checking to avoid that?

Thanks. I hate it.

[mental meadow]

if it only reduced the amoled mode okay, but they design itself is so ugly now

[ashen cliff]

I forgot force-dark nukes my custom color settings.

[thorny totem]

lolrip tebex, got acquired by Overwolf

[twin lagoon]

discord's beta system works through some google group you join

[ashen cliff]

TF?

[mental meadow]

https://rubenerd.com/git-ignores-gitignore-with-gitignore-in-gitignore/

[potent wedge]

It's literally a button when your installing discord you dont need to make it sound like rocket science

[twin lagoon]

the beta button does not exist for me nor krusic

[mental meadow]

it worked fine for me

[twin lagoon]

i had to join the discord alpha group which gave me access to the beta

[mental meadow]

i left/joined via the play store

[potent wedge]

It looks like that

[mental meadow]

I think they can set that on a per country basis though? Like I know some apps that do it with groups

[potent wedge]

It makes sense especially the groups one

[cunning raft]

The play store allows you to do region lock open betas

They probably did that for their beta

The group you're talking about is the group for the alpha

[twin lagoon]

yeah but i had to join it just to get access to beta testing for some reason

which is weird because i know i had access to the beta before

[cunning raft]

Yeah likely a geo block

Or if your device isn't passing safetynet or certified by the play store it could hide the beta join button as well

[vagrant marlin]

the new discord android app sucks fucking ass

how did ios users use this

[mental meadow]

quick question, sideloading apps on a WatchOS watch, would that need a seperate/special apk or do the normal noarch/nodpi work as well?

wondering if I can just sideload the apps that are not available for some weird reason

[tropic flame]

I'm still a discord beta tester and I'm not in any Google groups

[tropic flame]

there is no "Force dark mode" in EMUI 10

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Hate that Discord removed the AMOLED theme? Here's how to (kind of)... : discordapp - 230 comments, 1,471 points - DiamondOreMaster267, 20h ago

[tropic flame]

i might just downgrade the app

[golden gust]

Good news!

We don't need to worry so much about Covid anymore!

Bad new!

It's cos monkeypox!

[tropic flame]

oh and discord feels so less responsive with these new animations

[ashen cliff]

I have it on Android 10.
But it's called force-dark.

[tropic flame]

literally had to enable reduced motion on accessibility

[ashen cliff]

MFW I have the animation length in Android set to 0.5.

[tropic flame]

same thing but I still hate these

[rare python]

#admin-announcements you forgot to do the publish thingy lol

[turbid oar]

Wtf do you mean electroniccat?
It's still around...

[golden gust]

See the bad news...

[turbid oar]

Wait what's lol monkeypox

Hm good thing I dont have to worry about covid to damn much aince I got the shots last year

But still monkeypox doesn't make sense to me.

[muted storm]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-your-dirty-little-mouth-gif-9830327

It's not going to embed but tbh the URL works just as well

Saw it on Reddit yesterday and thought to myself "Oh! Here we go again! Round two!"

[golden gust]

https://tenor.com/bNBIH.gif

[muted storm]

Electric boogaloo!

[golden gust]

If this carries on

I might suggest that we just put ourselves across 240

[muted storm]

Who wants to take a stab at what they call the next virus?

[ashen cliff]

Laško.

[muted storm]

I was thinking more "Death Eater-2023", but a small nordic town works too

Oh it's not Nordic, sorry lol

[golden gust]

was gonna say

[muted storm]

Listen, I'm a dumb American.

Canadian, but we inherit

[ashen cliff]

It's actually a beer as well.

[golden gust]

Problem with americans, tbqh

[muted storm]

Too many to list

[golden gust]

Either they suffer from lead poisoning or sudden onset lead poisoning

[ashen cliff]

Possibly also gold poisoning.

[golden gust]

I mean, afaik gold runs right through you

Like, you can literally buy like, gold flakes

Just to shit out gold encrusted droppings

[spare venture]

i don’t have to eat gold flakes for that to happen

[muted storm]

Found the golden goose

How'd ya get down the bean stalk all on your lonesome, silly?

[golden gust]

haven't you seen the shape of his face?

he clearly fell

face first

[swift isle]

Holaa

[ripe sphinx]

Love the idea of #admin-announcements, although imo shouldn't it be below #docs-website, not above? All the other "log" channels are at the bottom, and then poor #docs-website is sandwhiched in the middle

or am I just crazy

[void void]

yeah the placement feels a bit odd

i'd prefer if it was at the top or bottom

[ripe sphinx]

Also on the topic, #paper-contrib below #docs-website feels like it'd make more sense since it's also kinda a "log" channel since none of us normies can write in it

[vernal moth]

https://i.imgur.com/NHGeEsf.png

web dev be like

[wet storm]

Web dev 😭

[vernal moth]

didn't we have a table about recommended java version per paper version somewhere?

[wet storm]

I wonder how discord makes "Active Now" Sidebar in "Home" on pc, like, there are so a few people which count as friends on my discord account...

[void void]

on the docs site I believe

[topaz mortar]

https://docs.papermc.io/paper/getting-started

[magic river]

Recommended Java version: use the latest you numpty

[void void]

yeah, it also seems to show people you 'interact' with

wonder how they calculate that too

[wet storm]

like...

what's kezz doing in my sidebar

[worthy geode]

people that wrote messages in the same channel at the same time as you did, basically

[ripe sphinx]

yeah idk I get a bunch of people in there that I've literally never heard of before...
ah well I only see it when my discord crashes

[warm anchor]

There is a setting on your tab I think

If you want this person’s current activities to be curated on to the tab

But I literally never use that tab

[ripe sphinx]

Like seriously, in all of this, only one is actually a friend (obfuscated), and I only know one other (boredman) https://f.u11.io/Qy68vX

[warm anchor]

Oh that’s on server setting p

Under notification

[vernal moth]

ty

[viral hornet]

kezz AND broccolai

don't leave out brocc 😔

[wet storm]

you also played dota 2 lol

[viral hornet]

it was a terrible game 😔

[ripe sphinx]

Who threw up on my uptime https://f.u11.io/BWs0H2

[foggy silo]

https://github.blog/changelog/2022-05-19-the-new-github-issues-may-19th-update/
Cool it’s out

[vernal moth]

I did put too much effort into this https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/7829#issuecomment-1131992135

[magic river]

Slowly turning into JIRA

[ripe sphinx]

I've written shorter essays for school lol

[vernal moth]

lol school

[magic river]

1.12 not having that check was a bit of an accident with the log4j fixes, wasn't it?

Or rather it was intended for all of them but effort?

[golden gust]

md added that check fairly late

We honestly never really bothered, but, kinda didn't feel strong enough to remove it

I think that we actually have removed it since? idr

[magic river]

Oh, was it only added in 1.13?

I thought it was in earlier ones but someone (sulu?) was removing it alongside doing the manual log4j patching and building so you could also easily recommend using the latest java version to ensure people didn't stay on one that made the log4j stuff worse

But then the more recent legacy versions could be built from CI with a quick backport of the same fix applied to 1.16 so didn't get that extra attention

[vernal moth]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT/repos/craftbukkit/commits/421c1728c81e2f729dff88da2ac96535d2b8e5e8#src/main/java/org/bukkit/craftbukkit</Main.java>

added in 1.13-pre7

[magic river]

huh

Oh, maybe the older ones just really didn't work in newer java? There was something there

[vernal moth]

spigot sometimes breaks cause asm stuff iirc

plus netty maybe?

idk

[golden gust]

Yea, theres breakages due to netty being the common one

[magic river]

I know from 1.15 at least the check has been kind of bullshit

Before that I dunno

[wet storm]

🚀

[golden gust]

But, that was primary like, 1.8 that we see bork, idk about others

[worthy geode]

oh no, they also wrote an essay

[spare venture]

that’s a weird way to ask if i fell from heaven

[muted storm]

I mean that's one way to read it

I just thought you pooped golden eggs

[magic river]

Oh, we're on 1.19-pre1 now

Time to prepare for ChatEvent to die

[wet storm]

R.I.P ChatEvent, 1703 - 2022

[shell coral]

i need help

i need to stop

except its like an addiction for me

tracing ip addresses

[warm anchor]

Ok

[spare venture]

go get help then

[rare python]

Removal or deprecation?

[ashen cliff]

Deprecation? , no.

[native wolf]

better to just murder it completely at this point

since in Bukkit land, deprecation basically means nothing lol

[ashen cliff]

If nothing massive in the backend changes and the old API can be easily adapted, why fully nuke it?

[native wolf]

ah, I've read the complete convo rn, was thinking about something else lol

[golden gust]

I mean, there are changes to the backend

[ashen cliff]

Understandable.

[golden gust]

The way we handle legacy text means that we can probably shim it to some degree, just, not sure if there will be much care for that

But, generally, er; modifying message formatting, etc, is not gonna work with the chat signing stuff

[wet storm]

Idk what to feel when I find such comments written by bukkit / spigot... on the one hand they are funny, on the other hand they show some painful things...

[unkempt drift]

that's in the class that spigot calls DispenserRegistry

[wet storm]

yeah, but it basically bootstraps all registries because it is the first call of Registry class from a static context, and freezes builtins...

// Paper - actually, I don't think this class should ever have been called DispenserRegistry, that's a stupid name, bootstrap is waaay better

[golden gust]

it's a bootstrap class which calls off to other stuff

DispenserRegistry probs made sense 6 years ago when it was primarly used for populating the data that dispenser modes

[quiet mesa]

this can be for the "Home" feature maybe...

oh not.. is another xd
https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/5304469213079-Highlights-Notifications

[magic river]

I think the way it'll have to work is you have a new ChatPreviewEvent where you can do formatting and then ChatEvent is either read-only or doesn't exist at all

Once the player actually hits enter you won't be able to change the message, it's signed

[rare python]

Right so my server won't be updating straight away.

[magic river]

The preview feature is to allow the player to see what you're going to do to their message ahead of time and sign the result

Presumably ViaVersion is going to have to fake like all chat is actually server messages to work around this

[golden gust]

I mean, ChatEvent will likely still be mutable as you need to still be able to setup the renderer there

not to mention, you can still mutate chat, just, you'll lose the valid signature

[rare python]

Ah so if you use ChatEvent as normal it will become a system message and loose the signature?

[magic river]

I thought the client wouldn't show messages that have invalid signatures

[golden gust]

it still shows them

[wet storm]

chat.kt refactor wen? /s

[magic river]

So this shit is never going to work then

[golden gust]

just doesn't show them as being valid signed chat messages iirc

I mean, it's defo gonna take some thoughts, but, I think it's doable to support stuff well

legacy chat is gonna probably be a headache

[rare python]

The painful chat.kt is mostly about formatting chat messages.

[magic river]

If you don't make ChatEvent readonly and the client doesn't ignore messages with bad signatures then the signing stuff is just a waste of network traffic and CPU time

No one running a Bukkit derivative is ever going to have working signatures

[golden gust]

Well, the goal is probably gonna be for us to ensure that it's doable

but, for now, probably not

[rare python]

Why do I have a feeling that if a plugin uses ChatEvent there will be a warning message in the terminal, similar to legacy Material support.

[golden gust]

Gonna have to see what spigot does, but, that shall be fun

[rare python]

One thing is for sure, they will still allow legacy formatting.

[golden gust]

Well, thing is that the only way to make this stuff work 100% is to basically break literally every chat plugin out there

We've been tryna work with mojang on this, but, ofc, they don't 100% see eye to eye with us, and all that jazz, so, is gonna be fun

[rare python]

Can't you just turn all chat messages into system messages?

[golden gust]

I mean, yes, but 0 point

[rare python]

I would just make a new API for it, and fall back to turning everything to system messages if anything tries to use the older API.

[wet storm]

1.19-pre2 technical changes.

• chat is deleted from the game.
  /s

[rare python]

And put a big warning in console.

[golden gust]

still, 0 point

You can still send player messages without signatures

[rare python]

Oh okay

[golden gust]

Like, this is still a good chunk of opt-in

anything without a valid signature will still show in chat, it just won't say that it's signed

[rare python]

Then just send without signatures if anything does anything with ChatEvent

[golden gust]

Our goal is to offer the API to ensure that doing stuff safely is possible

that includes passing through the signatures

ofc, we can only do so much, and so shits probably gonna be messy for a while, but, all we can do is offer the tools for people to do this safely and pray that people adopt them

[rare python]

I would just make a ChatSendEvent where the message is immutable and a ChatFormatEvent where the message is mutable. And if anyone changes the message in ChatEvent, dump a warning in the logs, and send without the signature.

[golden gust]

We still have to maintain the existing API

Like, theres gonna have to be an event for the preview stuff to be able to send stuff back

[rare python]

Thats what I said?

[golden gust]

idk what all we'll do with the formatting stuff

[rare python]

A ChatSendEvent and ChatFormatEvent

[golden gust]

Not much point

We've still gotta maintain the existing API

it makes little sense to add yet another bunch of events in the already convoluted pipeline there

[rare python]

Yes but you can't change ChatEvent, and I don't see any way of reasonably forcing ChatEvent to work with it.

[golden gust]

It's simple, we just don't care about the signature

[rare python]

.

[golden gust]

we already have 4 events firing for a chat send

adding another in that chain makes little sense

[rare python]

Well it really should only be 2

So deprecate and later remove the existing ones

[golden gust]

We have 4 events, 2 for modern components, 2 for legacy chat

removing mutation of the chat messages, etc, just seems pointless, servers should still be able to mutate chat how they want at their own peril

[grand pewter]

why not remove the events? because there'd be humungous outrage if they are 😛

[warm anchor]

Let’s do it. Say it’s pop’s idea

[grand pewter]

plugin backwards compat is actually such a curse though

[ashen cliff]

Someone would just make a lib that readds it.
Or another fork.

[grand pewter]

imagine how much api stuff could be changed on a regular basis if it was just scheduled per minecraft major update

[golden gust]

Well, having a sane deprecation policy is a goal, it's just nuanced because of the whole rotting lodge we've inherited

[spare venture]

stable api is always good but ^

[wet storm]

hardfork wen then?

[golden gust]

really shoulda just sucked up to sponge instead of z

[grand pewter]

except when you realize that people would still then just use spigot and suffer

[spare venture]

deprecation is abused so heavily in this community

[rare python]

I bet when paper hard forks there will probably be a Paper fork that will try to maintain compatibility between Paper and Spigot... maybe there will be one that tries to maintain compatibility between Paper, Spigot, and Forge? Who knows.

[wet storm]

mohistopia.

[warm anchor]

It will be nice to not have to work around spigot

[spare venture]

of course there will be a fork for that, there will be demand for it

hard fork wen tho

[wet storm]

wen

[warm anchor]

Gotta need that half a million donation from partyrealm

[spare venture]

what issues do you currently have working around spigot eternity

[golden gust]

It's all fun and games until years after we have a patch for something, spigot fixes something, breaks our patch, and leaves somethng else broken

[warm anchor]

Or that dumb structure seed

Would’ve been so much nicer to just have it all in random seed

[grand pewter]

cat idk if that was directed at me or not lol

[golden gust]

idk if it is either

if it is, fuck you

if not, er

good pop

[grand pewter]

🙂

[warm anchor]

I am just glad pop is back

He been Mia for a few months from paper

[golden gust]

really?

didn't notice

runs

[warm anchor]

Yes

[grand pewter]

i had to add something that im pretty sure broke a paper patch recently cause it was causing me a lot of grief with trying to support spigot (yes i know, but it needs to because hangar doesnt exist yet)

really looking forward to when we actually get a plugin repo for public plugins

[golden gust]

anvil shit?

[warm anchor]

@ mini shot fired

Hangar when

[wet storm]

wen, not when

[grand pewter]

no it was just the world key stuff, paper already has a bunch of stuff around it (still does, and its way more extensive)

[golden gust]

oh, no, something entirely different

that was nothing

[grand pewter]

ah ok glad to hear

that was like 1 line but ironically it still took like a week for md to accept it because had to argue what the "purpose" of adding it was, etc

surprising how its always so much of a pain

[golden gust]

Yeaaa...

I mean, CBs world system is just fucked in general right now

[grand pewter]

I mean I think a decent solution in general is just shimming the world name stuff and exclusively using keys

pretty sure that's kinda what paper already does? def more sane than keeping world name / uuid as first class support in the API

[golden gust]

world name stuff needs to go

[grand pewter]

yeah but i mean for "muh backwards compat"

[golden gust]

minecraft:overworld mymysticaldatapack:overworld are 100% valid in vanilla

How tf do you account for that with almost everythin using the world name which would conflict? ;-;

[grand pewter]

ideally its gone but you can also just shim it to the side and make keys the more appealing option to plugin devs

yeah thats the issue lol

[golden gust]

deprecating World#getName is on my todo list 😄

[spare venture]

nooooo 😡

[grand pewter]

i mean during the pr someone discovered that you can create 2 "minecraft:overworld" s by creating a world named "overworld" in multiverse

literally duplicate key, totally invalid logically, but you can absolutely do it with the current system

[golden gust]

Yea, and it fucks up the server too

Mojang mishandled some of this crap

but, internally, the main world should ALWAYS be called overworld

[grand pewter]

well unsurprisingly, but at the same time mojang's world system is set up to not ever have duplicate keys like that (due to it being tied to the directory/resource structure)

[golden gust]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/7594#issuecomment-1067030770

[grand pewter]

in bukkit-land it seems to be much more virtually mapped

yeah ok in that sense that pr would pretty much fix that

such a mess though lol

[golden gust]

Yea, I mean, it's just the joys of all of these joyous decisions craftbukkit made years ago

[wet storm]

one of my friends, an extreme spigot fan, will have a long dialogue with me about paper again when he'll see it 🥴

[golden gust]

I mean, much code rot from CB and mojang existed around the world system at that time

[rare python]

Wait so if world names are going how are we supposed to refer to different worlds in code now?

[golden gust]

UUIDs

as you should of been doing so for years within bukkit more or less

[rare python]

Those exist?

[grand pewter]

UUIDS only exist in the bukkit/sponge ecosystems

which for me was the whole issue because I needed vanilla interop

[rare python]

You should probably deprecate world names now then lol

[golden gust]

Issue ofc is that

1. nobody really pushed for that, and even bukkit uses bloody names
2. The entire situation is a PITA because of the general rottery here

[quiet mesa]

i see difference in code for years ago in a PR for know a logic.. its... not sure how can be related xd its strange

[golden gust]

Okay

and, now, in english

back many years ago, the difference between the CB and the vanilla world system wasn't much of a big care, part of the horror though is that as the years progressed, that stuff widened

really the folders shoulda been merged back together years ago

(This is also an area that I've spoken to mojang about tryna clean up the world folders, especially with custom dimensions)

[grand pewter]

is there a problem with the custom dimension folders

[quiet mesa]

aun necesito mejorar mi ingles
i try say about how was CB in the start and now.. well now handle many issues related to the old code...

[rare python]

I prefer how Bukkit structures world folders over how vanilla does it.

[golden gust]

Well, I can't say too much but there is interest from all parties to clean up the world folder

[rare python]

👀

[golden gust]

And, well, custom dimension folders in spigot are comical

See the screenshot in the comment I linked above

[rare python]

What

[grand pewter]

oh i didnt realize thats how it was being implemented

[golden gust]

.

[rare python]

Wait so custom dimensions work?

[grand pewter]

i feel like just bringing it all together in sync with vanilla meks much more sense

[golden gust]

that's what the PR does

[grand pewter]

shouldnt the dims folder be in "world" then though?

probably just not understanding it rn

[golden gust]

Oh, wait

that screenshot is how it is currently

[grand pewter]

ah ok

[rare python]

How close is this to being a thing?

[golden gust]

Not sure, theres still some things to discuss

[silver nexus]

It’s senior prank day… walked into the school to see a bunch of diapers everywhere hotdogs hanging from the ceiling, and then was warned to go to class by a senior, since they were about to start throwing water balloons

[cunning raft]

@waxen panther you hearing this?

[worthy geode]

main issue with the vanilla system is imo that its less clear where you would upload a new world

[golden gust]

how so?

I mean, the end/nether are an outliner if you're tryna specifically replace them atm

but, anything custom is in the world/dimensions folder

world/dimensions/namespace/key

[worthy geode]

yeah, it gets hidden a few folders down below and needs to be named correctly

instead of just dropping it into the main folder and done

[golden gust]

I mean

that literally only works on bukkit for worlds loaded with the API

[worthy geode]

couldn't it be like
world1 with datapack1 -> dimension1, dimension2
world2 with datapack2-> dimension1, dimension2, dimension3

that would actually be an useful improvement and would also fix the issue of datapacks applying to all worlds, which is really annoying

[golden gust]

part of the discussions is determining how bad we wanna fuck up vanilla

[lavish compass]

I would really love a SHA256 of 1.19 release date

[golden gust]

like, the notation of worlds doesn't exist

level-name literally is just a "save folder"

then you have the overworld, end, nether dimension

datapacks expect to be able to do stuff like creating custom dimensions and applying their stuff

Mojang does in part appear to have kinda considered per-world registries for stuff, however; but, how do you deal with command functions?

[worthy geode]

in theory they would only run inside world1 if they belong to the datapack in world1

[golden gust]

But, that's the thing

they don't run in a world

thing is that datapacks are already a massive ass clusterfuck to support within this environment

Tryna make them per world semi doesn't make sense with how mojang designed them or how the implementation looks

part of the hope is that we get stuff together so that vanilla stuff here actually works

[rare python]

While your at it, why don't you multithread individual worlds at least?

[golden gust]

I'm not saying that I hope you step on a lego

but, I wouldn't feel sorry if you did

[rare python]

It was a joke... sort of.

[golden gust]

Yea, me too sort of

idk why but I'm currently doing LFS

[noble seal]

Do you know any plugin or tool to get coordinates from a chunk? i.e, 60, -120 —> 500, 67, -128

[worthy geode]

https://dinnerbone.com/minecraft/tools/coordinates/

[obsidian moon]

Java Edition is experiencing issues with Realms and the Launcher right now, so no worries if you can't play on your account

[waxen panther]

It’s senior prank day

[lilac moon]

can someone please add a 🎉 reaction to the message in #admin-announcements it would literally be perfect

[cunning raft]

sorry can't do that

[lilac moon]

woe

[unkempt drift]

we take bribes tho

[void void]

https://old.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/usjhye/this_is_the_bullst_canonical_wants_you_to_jump/

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) This is the bullst Canonical wants you to jump through before they... : sysadmin** - 268 comments, 479 points - project2501a, 1d ago

[void void]

canonical requires their employees to take psychometric assessments as part of the hire process lol

anyone ever seen this before and/or knows what that entails?

[cunning raft]

seems like it weeds out people in a reddit comment section, which if I were a recruiter would be exactly what I'd like to do

[warm anchor]

I mean that is to limit liability

[spare venture]

companies require you to take personality, cognitive, reasoning, memory, etc tests all the time, not really something new or outrageous

i think a company asking for a test like that for an entry level position that pays $100k/yr doesn’t sound that bad to me

[magic river]

This is how hMod did things

Or rather not hMod, the project meant to continue hMod after Bukkit became a thing

"worlds" in their system were like the ones in your single player list, each one would have (maybe) an overworld, nether, and end

As ugly as that feels after we've had the CraftBukkit system for so long that's probably the only sane solution to keep working with the stuff Mojang is doing

[golden gust]

Yea, just, ew

idk how exactly it would look, you'd basically have to have what I think are multiple level stems, couldn't have an overworld/nether/end in the extras without janky renaming which just puts us into the same potential nightmare we have with CB, for a feature which I don't see there being much to gain from given that datapacks are written from a more global context

[magic river]

Basically you start with the vanilla setup with one level.dat and multiple dimensions and call that a world

Then you can have more than one of those worlds

Each world would have its own level.dat and datapacks

The only hiccup here is where do you store the player data

You can disable the nether and end via datapack and/or level.dat these days, right?

gamerules of course would be per-world in this system instead of per-dimension

[golden gust]

I mean, part of our general hope is to reduce the amount of mess/divergence from vanilla here, just shudders

[magic river]

This would remove almost all of the divergence 😛

You'd have to special case a few spots to understand the dimension groupings, modify where player data is stored, and that's probably it?

[golden gust]

We're still probs gonna need a level.dat for all of the dimensions unless we wanted to pull that out into something else

You'd need to means to load multiple world save folders essentially

then theres the joyous issue of datapacks being a weird mess of global and dimension state

[magic river]

Right, this would be like if you had a vanilla server that loaded multiple saves at once

[golden gust]

then theres th do you do about minecraft:overworld, etc

Kinda maybe need to add datapack metrics to bstats...

[magic river]

Right, that's where you need to plug in the understanding of dimension groupings (aka worlds)

datapacks would get used more if they worked, probably not a useful metric 😛

[golden gust]

They do work last I knew, think that there was still some oddities/bugs, some extending from vanilla

I just, I don't feel it, what do you name the extra saves dimensions, etc

I mean, even creating those just seems stupid

but, then any DP is gonna expect the world there to be the overworld

[magic river]

If datapacks are per world/save then you can patch them to reference the right dimensions pretty easily

Since you know what one they came from

[golden gust]

that's a whole nested mess of Codecs and crap last I knew

[worthy geode]

Multiple LevelStems seems to kinda work, but it also breaks teleportation across them.

there also seems to be some unused logic for handling multiple, separate worlds in the LevelStorageSource. by the looks of it its the same code the singleplayer world menu uses

[golden gust]

that is pretty much without a doubt the code that the client uses

[onyx cape]

anyone excited for sound seeds in 1.19?

servers would be able to select which ogg file to play in sound effects with multiple audio files by specifying seed

I hope either bukkit or paper adds API for seeded sounds when 1.19 is released

[spare venture]

i am confused

[jagged egret]

do you guys know of any free programs that would allow me to take some pictures and make a simple animation with keyframes that include scaling & translation?

i was going to use PowerPoint but it doesn't support scaling

[ripe sphinx]

I mean you could accomplish that with Davinci Resolve, although I'm sure there's other programs more easy to use or less resource intensive

[void void]

Do you have a well documented page regarding this?

I would like to take a read

[onyx cape]

https://github.com/Owen1212055/mc-sound-seeds
a little info about sound seeds (and a list of seeds)

[void void]

Thanks!

[jagged egret]

I don't understand the need for seeded sounds

like, isn't that just the same thing as having different IDs for each sound?

[spare venture]

neither do i, especially because every seed has a unique id associated with it

[jagged egret]

it's literally the same as the /playsound <sound>.<number> as far as I can tell

[spare venture]

that’s why i said i was confused, i am waiting for it to be explained that i’m missing something

[worthy geode]

and if you wanted to play a specific sound there are also sound events, if you want to play music for a resource pack or something

[unkempt drift]

the seed also affects the volume and pitch

so its a way of playing a "random" sound that is consistent across clients

[spare venture]

what is stopping you from doing that with the current tools?

[unkempt drift]

idk, leaves the randomness math to be done on the client

also resource packs can have more control over that randomness I think

those are client-only

[lavish compass]

@warm anchor

[warm anchor]

@lavish compass

[grand pewter]

@grand pewter

[jolly schooner]

Yo! What do servers use these days to kick off restarts every X hours? Remote Toolkit seems long dead

[jagged egret]

does anyone know why davinci resolve would be horrendously slow when playing back an animation 😒 3050 Ti and Ryzen 3900HX seems like it should be good enough to run at least at 1/4 of the resolution

[lavish compass]

do you have timeline proxy? fusion/color cache? optimized media?

[jagged egret]

timeline proxy at 1/4, and I'm only animating a picture moving across a solid color background

not sure what fusion/color cache is

[lavish compass]

something is seriously wrong with your setup then

[jagged egret]

maybe it's the 3 monitors

[lavish compass]

what resolutions are they

and what OS are you running

[jagged egret]

1080p

Win 10

Well, 2 1080p, one 4k.

The weird thing is, when it gets stuck, task manager doesn't even show any usage increases

[lavish compass]

I run Resolve on i5-8400, GTX 1070, 16GB RAM with no apparent issues

was able to edit 4k in 1/2 proxy with nearly no lag

[jagged egret]

That's really odd

[lavish compass]

What format is your media file and where is it stored

[jagged egret]

It's a laptop too, so maybe it has to do with running through the integrated graphics? I don't think this laptop has a MUX

png, on a local NVMe SSD

it's literally like 900 by 500 pixels, too. Not even that bad

[ripe sphinx]

oh if you don't have a graphics card, that's probably why

[lavish compass]

does the task manager show that it's using the discrete gpu

[ripe sphinx]

my old laptops couldn't handle it, my current one can, and this is the only one that's had a dedicated graphics card

[lavish compass]

if not, try going into nvidia settings and add application override for resolve to use the dgpu

[jagged egret]

I have a dedicated 3050 ti

Task manager shows no usage for either GPU

well, a tiny amount of both

[lavish compass]

in processes there should be a column

that shows something like "GPU 0 - 3D"

or something

[jagged egret]

Oh yeah, it spiked the dedicated graphics card for like 2 seconds and now it's frozen

[ripe sphinx]

tf

[jagged egret]

that's what I'm sayin'. Laptop isn't even a month old yet

[ripe sphinx]

I assume nothing else is maxed out either? i.e. CPU, RAM?

[jagged egret]

nope

you know it's bad when it switches to seconds/frame

[ripe sphinx]

tried relaunching resolve?

[jagged egret]

several times, yeah. Tried changing GPU to OpenCL instead of CUDA too to no avail

OpenCl crashes when even trying to open the project

[jagged egret]

it won't render :(

disabled fusion memory cache and now it works. Go figure

[ashen cliff]

https://github.com/MultiMC/Launcher/commit/0a827ba70e6ef20187f8507a536d54a8441020dc

[unkempt drift]

is there even a launcher on linux for that?

like does curseforge have a linux app?

[ashen cliff]

Linux? What's that?

[unkempt drift]

well multimc knew what it was so....

[ashen cliff]

Right now, the only "solution" is to use PolyMC.

[unkempt drift]

oh, hadn't heard of that

fork of multimc I see

[ashen cliff]

No idea why OverWolf wanted that... but knowing they did... Tebex might also get shafted.

[mental meadow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/uti0cw/amoled_mode_back_on_new_beta/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share @ashen cliff

[ashen cliff]

Amazing.

[mental meadow]

and now the beta shows up as full 😄

can't even join again

[rare python]

Laughs in PolyMC

[ashen cliff]

https://github.com/PolyMC/PolyMC/issues/602

[tropic flame]

I mean, they explain why in the issue

[ashen cliff]

Discord: We looked at the issue.
Also Discord: Never even looked at the images.

[slender surge]

Anyone know when that "summer 2022" deal to get Java for free with Bedrock begins?

[potent wedge]

Summer 2022

[tawdry holly]

Hey hey, is the 'Host' role given to only specific people or any public game hosting company that has connections to Minecraft/Paper?

[warm anchor]

Hi Geri

[tawdry holly]

Heyyy

[wide chasm]

Anyone who is in charge of a hosting provider for Minecraft servers, @mental meadow handles this stuff so talk to her.

[still sorrel]

anyone here running caddy as their webserver on production?

[warm anchor]

Probably someone that has a business practice lol

[rare python]

#announcements message

But why?

[warm anchor]

I’d imagine it’s to make maintain backend less painful

[rare python]

Does not seem like it would be that painful

[ashen cliff]

That just broke my Windows 95 server setup. Very sad.

[warm anchor]

[vernal bone]

@tawdry holly

[tawdry holly]

Simon

[tropic flame]

destroystokyo.com still best domain

runs

[quiet mesa]

[mental meadow]

https://jd.papermc.io/paper/1.18/

[charred sleet]

lol

[mental meadow]

but yeah thats not intended 😄

[little frost]

woo nginx default page

[quiet mesa]

ahhh thanks, xd

i only clicked in the twit url for know if this URL redirect to the https://papermc.io/javadocs >.> or show all versions

[mental meadow]

ah

well

[quiet mesa]

ok this looks better for see the versions

[charred sleet]

POST http://localhost:1525/api/login net::ERR_ABORTED 404 (Not Found)
am confused cause my backend receives the request

[rare python]

I wonder if its possible to make a bot that searches github for the old URL and makes PRs to update it? 🤔

[charred sleet]

absolutely

[rare python]

Someone should do it.

Maybe I should give it a shot later? Although I have some things to do first.

[ashen cliff]

But why?

[rare python]

Because why not?

[charred sleet]

ie https://github.com/IntellectualSites/PlotSquared/blob/f7d55ce10527e58b1e0c3af86f9fe06416c65ad7/Bukkit/build.gradle.kts#L98

[ashen cliff]

It's in the gray area between spam and being helpful.

[foggy veldt]

Do you guys pronounce nginx as enginex or njinx

[void void]

bro this is so annoying

happening rn

[ripe sphinx]

The "correct" pronunciation is engine-x afaik

[void void]

hey uh whats the website similar to startmc.sh

[foggy veldt]

Yea ik but njinx sounds cooler

[ripe sphinx]

Maybe I'll host a mirror of the site

[vestal jasper]

njinx

[crystal lily]

https://flags.sh

[twin lagoon]

@void void

[ripe sphinx]

Why no longer startmc.sh?

[twin lagoon]

was down for like 2 days

[ripe sphinx]

And just like that it's replaced?

[twin lagoon]

yes™️

[ripe sphinx]

fair enough I suppose

tbf this is a pretty clean site

Who made this one? nvm gh link in footer

[vernal moth]

https://c.tenor.com/57w9du3NrV0AAAAM/css-html.gif

[muted scroll]

Velocity vs Waterfall - what's the difference.

[rare python]

Waterfall: Slow, More Mature Platform
Velocity: Fast, Less Mature Platform
Plugins are not cross compatible*

[ripe sphinx]

Velocity is newer and better, but not compaitble with bungee (so slightly more limited for plugins, but not too bad)

[muted scroll]

Great, thanks for the information. Makes sense!

[ripe sphinx]

Waterfall is a fork of Bungee, so basically bungee but a bit faster and more secure

Velocity is significantly faster, and much more secure than waterfall or bungee though

[rare python]

Velocity's API is lacking in a few areas.

[ripe sphinx]

If you can get the plugins you want for velocity, go with it, if not you're stuck with waterfall or normal bungee sadly

[rare python]

I am half tempted to try and add a Tablist API to velocity myself, whether that be in my own fork, or trying to get a PR accepted.

Because I want to use Velocity, but the players on my server want a fancy global Tablist, which means I am stuck with Waterfall.

[little frost]

there was a pr that was closed a while ago for scoreboard api i just took the diff from that and it applied cleanly and I've been using that lol

[golden gust]

Thing is is that it's not a tablist API that most want

it's a scoreboard API

[rare python]

Teams API

[ripe sphinx]

yeah iirc tablist header/footer is already api

[golden gust]

which is scoreboards

[ripe sphinx]

(actually I think tablist header/footer is adventure api unless I'm crazy)

[rare python]

People just want it for the tablist, most people could not care less about the scoreboard

[golden gust]

It's all part of the exact same system in which you need to handle

[vestal jasper]

But it's still a scoreboard feature

[rare python]

Well yes

[golden gust]

Basically, it's wanted

it's on the todo list

But, we need a capabilities type thing before that

(at least, iirc, that was what was wanted)

I know Five was working on it but seems that he kinda got stuck on some stuff, i think

[rare python]

Although I could try a system where the backend servers handle it but thats not ideal

Stuff like that really should be handled by the proxy where possible

[ripe sphinx]

I mean could duct tape and bandaid a system with like symlinking tab configs across all your backend servers until velocity can support it

[golden gust]

Basically, we want such an API

there are concerns about how exactly it will look like

i.e. do we tell plugins about backend scoreboard stuff?

if not, that seems kinda ass, if we do, we want a system which lets plugins opt into features of the API

[wet storm]

Wanna learn dfu? Try to read dis: I mean, lens, prism and adapter among usual optics is kinda undestandable, but I don't really what Traversal does

[rotund cargo]

optics in java

[twin lagoon]

@lavish compass

[lavish compass]

@twin lagoon

[jagged egret]

i just made the most extra thing

I'm installing a tablet in my car to run android auto (car is very old) and I discovered I can set a custom boot animation on the tablet

so I animated my car driving into frame, waiting there for the boot to finish, then driving off 😁

[golden gust]

can it do custom sounds?

if not, no noot noot as a horn = 0/10

[jagged egret]

I don't think it has support for boot sounds :(

I did think about putting flames from the tires though

it was fun, I learned how to use Davinci Resolve

[golden gust]

"and he never opened it again"

(I say that as somebody whom used to be able to kinda use autocad)

[jagged egret]

haha honestly it's true

but luckily my laptop has enough free space i can just leave it installed for when i need it later, if I ever do

if I uninstall it, I'll need it again

[ripe sphinx]

oh fuck me I just spent like 10 minutes modifying a patch, and of course the second rebuildPatches finishes I notice I forgot a bloody semicolen

[golden gust]

Stuff like that is why I learned not to fear editing patch files directly

[ripe sphinx]

I thought something depended on the hash of the diff or something

oh and I'm just realizing since I have to edit the Adventure patch for this, this will be a really bloody big diff when I eventually PR this, sorry in advance lol

also bloody IJ is not liking all the external changes this is causing...

[rare python]

Wait you can do that? Won't it break things because of the line numbers and stuff?

[golden gust]

don't add/remove lines, generally

I mean, you can, but, you generally better understand how the patch thing is formed

big thing is that if you delete/add a line, make sure that the counter at the hunk is adjusted

[worn ember]

imagine running out of space

[wide chasm]

Yeah, imagine

[worn ember]

E is only games lol

[worn ember]

its really time for an upgrade m8

[wide chasm]

I do kinda want to look into getting 512 GB relatively soon. It's becoming really difficult to update IJ to newer versions.

[worn ember]

just go for a tb

they're not that much more expensive

[wide chasm]

I have now memorised what error code 2 means in JB Toolbox, though 😉

[worn ember]

tbh im really annoyed windows always wants to install shit in C

i wish you could set a preference drive

[wide chasm]

Options? I think not.

[worn ember]

30 year old com support

i think yes

[vagrant marlin]

imagine

🥱

[vernal moth]

Wtf

Friends are sending me videos of tornados

In Germany

[wide chasm]

4.1 TiB tf

[vernal moth]

Look at dis shit

[vagrant marlin]

total, between all drives.

aint that much

[vernal moth]

Just flattened a whole park

[golden gust]

Meanwhile brits be like "yea, bit windy out"

[wide chasm]

I'd say that's definitely quite a bit. What do you need all that space for anyway?

[golden gust]

Like, wind over here gets so stupidly bad

[vagrant marlin]

a 2tb hard drive for archival, 1tb hard drive is old and i barely use it, 1tb ssd for everything, fedora drive is for the os

[golden gust]

I mean, we actually get tornado's somewhat often in the UK, just, they don't really do much damage or form too well cos of built up areas and shit

[golden gust]

brick shithouses, etc

So, you know

The UK would probs be the equiv of the rednecks whom are out on the porch with the BBQ during a tornado

[wide chasm]

I see, archival. I also have an archival drive, it's called Shift+Delete 😉

[vernal moth]

The same parking lot an hour later

[vagrant marlin]

i prefer keeping backups of my server instead of deleting them

[golden gust]

Jesus, damn

[vagrant marlin]

i store my backups on my pc cause i aint paying for shit 🥱

[void void]

Soooo discord redesigned compact mode

this is the ugliest shit ever

[worthy geode]

thats not even compact anymore oO

[vagrant marlin]

must suck

[void void]

yes

don't reload or restart your client :))

[vagrant marlin]

i will

hold on

[void void]

:')

[vagrant marlin]

aint it beautiful

[rare python]

Why did they do that.

It may as well not exist at this point.

Its basically the same as normal mode now.

[golden gust]

sigh

[rare python]

All you need to do is remove the indent, add a pfp... oh wait...

[void void]

it's even worse because you get the name between each message from the same user too :')

[vagrant marlin]

could also just be a bug

or a mistake

[rare python]

Oh god why

[void void]

I HOPE IT'S A BUG

[rare python]

Normal mode is now more compact then compact mode.

[vagrant marlin]

i use normal mode anyways so doesnt matter

[void void]

let's publicly taunt discord on Twitter

[rare python]

ew Twitter

[golden gust]

https://twitter.com/boyetronic/status/1527743019918757888

electronicboy (@boyetronic)

Please tell me discord did a fucksy wucksy and the change to compact mode isn't intentional...

Twitter · May 20, 2022, 8:08 PM

[void void]

yesss

[vagrant marlin]

this doesnt change the fact that discord on android is going to fucking suck in not many weeks

i am on the stable release now, the beta was awful

i have a decent mid-range phone, and it was really slow

[warm anchor]

They fired the Android dev and just ported iOS version over

[vagrant marlin]

and dont forget it being really buggy

[void void]

@warm anchor ayaya?

[golden gust]

ayaya?

[worthy geode]

there is no experiment for this, which they usually do for changes like this. So I would guess its a bug

[golden gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0q0QeQbw9U

[rare python]

embed fail

[vagrant marlin]

someone just pressed the spacebar accidentally

[mossy vessel]

The amount of times I've clicked the green tick to enter full screen mode, because the controls overflow into the sidebar, is hilarious, cat, how do you survive that

[wet storm]

Define "ayaya" or ayaya

[warm anchor]

[vagrant marlin]

i just saw that on the discord reddit when i was looking for other people complaining about the compact mode lol

[golden gust]

I have a 27" screen

Like, my inclination to make pretty much anything full screen is basically minimal

[vagrant marlin]

i have a 34" ultrawide

[golden gust]

Okay

[vagrant marlin]

discord on fullscreen is some high iq stuff

[golden gust]

But, in my defence, it's kinda chilly

[vagrant marlin]

no wasted space

[rare python]

None at all

I use discord at 75% zoom

[mossy vessel]

Maybe if we add another badge below "Public" and something left to it we are good to go lol

[warm anchor]

Jokni what’s wrong with you

[vagrant marlin]

whats wrong with you?

[mossy vessel]

Or move the friend switch a bit higher

[vagrant marlin]

the perfect size for discord is this

[twin lagoon]

compact mode looked like shit already and now it's even worse

[frank otter]

wait what's going on w compact mode

[rare python]

I present 75% zoom on a 1440p display

[worthy geode]

I got avatars in compact mode thats also kinda weird lol

[frank otter]

did discord change compact mode

[twin lagoon]

90% zoom on 1440p is based

[worthy geode]

they are so smoool

[twin lagoon]

now this is nice

[vagrant marlin]

beat me

[warm anchor]

Wow so much text in one page! No scrolling

[vagrant marlin]

yeah!

[frank otter]

I'd like this

[vagrant marlin]

efficient

[void void]

bro can see the entire channel history

[magic river]

Why do people want to see the user list all the time?

That never made sense to me

[vagrant marlin]

ill put discord scale to the smallest too 😊

[rare python]

i3wm be like "you will be this resolution and you will like it"

Discord does not normally allow the window to be that small

[magic river]

On IRC when you were in a channel with like 5 other people it did because odds are you were looking for someone specific and if they weren't there they wouldn't see your message

[worthy geode]

perfection. no wasted space at all

[magic river]

But Discord doesn't have that problem, they'll see it when they come back and/or get a notification

[golden gust]

(mfw timing)

[rare python]

Although jokes aside, I do unironically use most things at 75% zoom.

[vagrant marlin]

is it good now

[worthy geode]

that blue bar is going on and on

[rare python]

Putting it off screen is cheating.

[vagrant marlin]

damn, firefox fucked it.

where is the rest of the screen

[worthy geode]

are you really using discord in fullscreen? I always have it windowed, fullscreen feels weird

[warm anchor]

I do want the ability to see multiple channel at once

Looking at those empty space wouldn’t of be nice to have in-window chat

[worthy geode]

I mean, you can middleclick them. Issue is it opens in the normal browser and not a new discord window

[vagrant marlin]

i have it on a vertical 2nd monitor

would get a bit tight if it wasnt fullscreen

[warm anchor]

Wow spigot on top of paper. I see how it is Jokni

[vagrant marlin]

i joined spigot after paper!

i barely rearrange my servers 🙄

[lavish compass]

@twin lagoon weeb

[worthy geode]

You really want to see the entire chat history on one screen apparently

[vagrant marlin]

but the more important server is right above spigot

[worthy geode]

not muting all servers and having those ugly white dots smh

[vagrant marlin]

i hoard all the notifications

[worthy geode]

at least you don't have hundreds of red ping notifications like some people do

[vagrant marlin]

i can start hoarding them if you want

[worthy geode]

thanks discord. I got the "Feature message" thingy, but not the server home where the message would be featured

[rare python]

Being able to hide muted channels is great

[wet storm]

I have the most important servers on top, and a bunch of other servers packaged in dirs by categories at the bottom

[rare python]

Although I wish muting and hiding were seperate

[mental meadow]

I love that the home is just non-existent on Android

[worn ember]

it is?

[worthy geode]

I like how the little paper plane is just flying off on the screenshot

[golden gust]

I feel the same way when I see aurora

(#2 aurora at that)

[wet storm]

I'd shoot dat plane paper is on top of my server list cuz I am active here more than on all other servers for now, idk how it happened but yes

[limber knot]

god, why do most shaders have way too strong colors? ;_;

[ashen cliff]

Because people who make them have their displays set to 💩?

[twin lagoon]

most do allow you to change saturation or any color post processing

[limber knot]

sure, but getting it reight is a pita

[ashen cliff]

Yeah, but you can never get it to "just right".

[twin lagoon]

meh 90% of the shaders out there are there just to look nice in cinematics

sildur's enhanced default doesn't fuck with colours that much or at all

[ashen cliff]

The other 10% just in screenshots.

[limber knot]

I just want something that looks like the game but in good

[twin lagoon]

okay well try enhanced default

[limber knot]

sildurs looks like shit lol

default doesn't have cool features like the clouds and stuff

[worthy geode]

I still really like complementary

[limber knot]

maybe I just don't like it colorful, I guess this looks good too people? https://is.paper.sexy/g4yTHAYQ.png

*to

[charred sleet]

what a lovely domain

[ashen cliff]

Needs more bloom.

MORE BLOOM!

[golden gust]

I mean, depends on what you're doing, really

Like, for screenshots and such I always kinda loved stuff like sildurs

[limber knot]

well the goal is to impress lol

[twin lagoon]

i could only use enhanced default with half of the shit turned off

BSL shaders are great for screenshots

[golden gust]

But, for actual gameplay, I found that most aim to impress more than be like, usable

[ashen cliff]

https://i.imgur.com/NdgHLCy.jpeg

[worthy geode]

its a bit yellow, but that might just be the due to the sun position

[golden gust]

Like, they just brigten up the sun and make it fancy but then kill things like the ability to see what you're looking at because of the contrast between the world and the sky

[limber knot]

oh right, the sun is a thing too

[golden gust]

mfw

[limber knot]

"The goal of Complementary is being good at everything."

[worthy geode]

if you are willing to spend an eternity configuring it, maybe

[worn ember]

damn steam sales are crazy rn

[worthy geode]

it even got an aurora mode

very important shader feature

[limber knot]

uuuh

[ashen cliff]

You don't need special shades for the game to look good: https://posili.me/i/2019-06-11_20-48-24.png

[vagrant marlin]

what shaders 😳

[golden gust]

theres many things you don't need

[worthy geode]

that is one giant screenshot

[golden gust]

Like

compact, for compact mode

[limber knot]

lmao

[worthy geode]

complementary

[vagrant marlin]

sheesh

[limber knot]

dat server name

[golden gust]

Okay, that looks sexy af

[vagrant marlin]

may i flex that ive seen some auroras

🥺

[worthy geode]

I did as well, no flex 😛

[vagrant marlin]

it is a flex

we can share the flex

[limber knot]

complementary is actually quite nice

at the right day time at least xD

[worthy geode]

Don't forget to turn on the "Waving everything" feature in the super secret settings

[vagrant marlin]

singleplayer, my pc is screaming.

[void void]

complementary is really nice

[limber knot]

wait, why is your hotbar floating?

[vagrant marlin]

i have a mod to make it float

[limber knot]

uuuh, it has a world curvature setting Oo nice

[pure garden]

Hey what’s the best way to clear player data, basically I want to test new player kits, spawn point etc with my player

[worthy geode]

for actually playing with shaders, the "Vanilla" profile is also nice

its just shadows and nice water, but you can actually see shit

[limber knot]

depends on the plugin but generally deleting the dat file in the world folder should be enough

[pure garden]

Cheers

[limber knot]

(from the playerdata folder in the world folder)

[worthy geode]

you can turn on galaxies as well oO

[vagrant marlin]

thats pretty, but this is prettier

[void void]

This vaguely reminds me of the dimension of Urdak in Doom Eternal

And the so beautifully reworked Xen in Black Mesa

[magic river]

It's not quite what I'm supposed to get but woo

[void void]

Basically just your generic star galaxy dust cloud

[limber knot]

@vagrant marlin was that forest screenshot with the default complementary shader settings or...?

[vagrant marlin]

default

[vagrant marlin]

xen was amazing in that game

[worthy geode]

white mode is cool, makes things look like a model. going to use that for some teasers for sure

[wet storm]

Or another winter in canada

[worthy geode]

I love winter, no complaints

But I wish optifine would put the shader options somewhere more accessible, clicking like 10 times to change a setting is annoying

[void void]

opti not fine

[vagrant marlin]

must suck using optiifne

[worthy geode]

eh, I don't want to install multiple mods if can get the same thing with just one

[vagrant marlin]

but open source 🥺

[worthy geode]

but zoom key 🥺

[vagrant marlin]

but mod for that 🥺

i dont even have that many mods 🙄

[worthy geode]

but needing to install multiple mods and to update them with every version 😦

[twin lagoon]

only have to update mods every 6 months it's ok

[vagrant marlin]

you could also be stupid and stay on 1.16.5 for some reason

[worthy geode]

qsl_qfapi_fapi_mc, very good naming here

[vagrant marlin]

why is 1.16.5 the new 1.8? what happened

[worthy geode]

idk. its not even significantly faster

[vagrant marlin]

credit where its due, they arent using 1.8 anymore

but they arent using the latest version either, kinda missing the point

[worthy geode]

im more surprised by those 20% on .1

[vagrant marlin]

good news: compact mode t'was a bug

[golden gust]

proof of comfirrmation or?

[vagrant marlin]

• software engineer in reddit

[golden gust]

ah

[vagrant marlin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/uu5r31/what_happened_to_compact_mode_messages_arent/i9dhekl?context=1000

[golden gust]

ty ❤️

[vagrant marlin]

discord's soon might be a year

[lament patio]

Client performance
There's a non insignificant amount of PCs with intel graphics 3000/2000 over here still

[grand pewter]

a lot of people too lazy and just drop viaversion on it for .2 support lol

[vagrant marlin]

my intel hd 400 was a beast

released in 2016, runs 1.18 like a champ

30fps with all the optimization mods you can think of 💪

[warm anchor]

what shader is this??

[ashen cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-my-beloved-my-beloved-meme-bethesda-zenimax-gif-25537615

[golden gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPN0qhSyWy8&vl=en

[rare python]

lol

[ashen cliff]

But damn, Oblivion and Morrowind are a must play.

Morrowind actually has a full multiplayer mod.

[turbid oar]

Oooo

[turbid oar]

Is that a generator?

Been a bit carious where you get that from

[ashen cliff]

There is.

[jagged egret]

ok what kind of horn effect are we talking, I figured out how to do it

[golden gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4VvRWTD3Ok

[jagged egret]

half of these aren't even noot noots

[golden gust]

yea, I mean, ideally one would just get one of the ones which sounds close to like a car horn

like, for me, it would be the mixture of knowing it was a noot noot, and the look on peoples faces if they heard it and recalled it

[magic river]

Well there goes my weekend https://store.steampowered.com/app/1594940/Little_Witch_in_the_Woods/

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[limber knot]

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[magic river]

eh, seems a little too early access right now, maybe not

[potent wedge]

well,

• Newer
• Performance
• 1.16.5 deprecated alot of problematic things making it easier

[vagrant marlin]

right, but why stop at 1.16?

[potent wedge]

because performance

[vagrant marlin]

it really isnt that much different

[magic river]

1.17 rewrote the renderer

It's better on newer systems but older systems either can't run it at all (10 year old intel iGPUs) or run it worse

[vagrant marlin]

only real reason id see is that

and really, should you even try to game on those tired old computers 😆

[potent wedge]

Why shaders?

Like why does opengl and vulkan need shaders

I know its to run programs directly on the GPU but its still extremely confusing and hard on new people

[vagrant marlin]

how else would it be done?

[magic river]

Because... that's how GPUs work

[vagrant marlin]

its not the 90's, games wont run on the cpu

[magic river]

The old GL 1.x stuff was just the driver generating crappy generic shaders for you

GPUs are basically texture mappers and giant blocks of shader engines

[vagrant marlin]

can i just tell my gpu in a kind way to chew those giant blocks a little faster

starting to feel slow

[potent wedge]

Why cant you just have like a shader that communicates with the program instead of the program putting shaders on the GPU?

[magic river]

wat

[vagrant marlin]

do you know how graphics work

[potent wedge]

no

[vagrant marlin]

me neither

but i know enough to know that makes no sense

[magic river]

I can't tell if you're asking for software rendering or VK_NV_device_generated_commands

[vagrant marlin]

software rendering 😋 🍴

i can run among us at 60fps with software rendering!

[magic river]

Or, less extreme, the general concept of GPU driven rendering

Things like draw indirect

This requires GL 4 or Vulkan, even higher requirements than Minecraft currently has

[rare python]

I present to you: dumb solutions.

/**
 * Used by parts of Ion which want to allow either a material tag OR a material.
 */
internal interface MaterialGroup {
    fun contains(material: Material): Boolean
}

/**
 * Singular Materials
 */
internal class MaterialHolder(
    private val material: Material
) : MaterialGroup {
    override fun contains(material: Material): Boolean {
        return this.material == material
    }
}

/**
 * Material Tags
 */
internal class MaterialTagHolder(
    private val tag: Tag<Material>
) : MaterialGroup {
    override fun contains(material: Material): Boolean {
        return tag.isTagged(material)
    }
}

[golden gust]

Woo, somebody posted a workaround, just, have to enable dev tools

div[class^="message"] > div[class^="contents"] > h2 > div {
  display: inline;
}

[magic river]

I liked that bugged out compact mode where it still had avatars

1 line per message but avatars

[golden gust]

Yea, I mean, avatars would kinda be nice, but, not a big deal for me vs not wasting too much space

[magic river]

Although I also like not repeating the name and avatar for multiline messages and if those happen a lot normal mode is more compact than compact mode so...

Err, not multiline messages, just multiple messages from the same person

Like I just did here

[golden gust]

Yea, I mean, the repeating names wastes space, but, it generally keeps it like, laid out well

I do kinda wish that maybe they'd pad stuff so that text doesn't go under the name

[magic river]

Even in the IRC client I have it set up to not show the name for multiple messages from the same person

Makes this channel look like it's just really indented and uses <> around names even though my theme says not to

[worthy geode]

that wasn't a bug, that is a experiment discord is testing

[magic river]

That plus skipping names for multiple messages would basically be my IRC setup

[worthy geode]

and what would be in the free space where the name currently is?

at least you can change the spacing between message groups so that they are more grouped together

[true canyon]

https://c.tenor.com/H6dA5G4c12kAAAAM/its-free-real-sate.gif

[golden gust]

https://twitter.com/RealSexyCyborg/status/1527663840275537921

Naomi Wu 机械妖姬 (@RealSexyCyborg)

So as some of you know I started noticing guy's tech review channels opening boxes with somewhat ridiculously unsuitable folding knives a few years back- and have been riffing on it with an endless variety of equally unsuitable tools- fortunately, I live in Mall Ninja Paradise😁

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Tech twitter at times is ❤️

AvE: "Americas first choice in healthcare coverage, gofundme"

[lilac moon]

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[magic river]

How I open boxes: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0508/1641/7959/products/[e-mail]?v=1650474504

I'll probably open my finger one day instead of a box but damn it's cool until then

[golden gust]

noice

I remember some desperate times opening boxes

All fun until you're tryna open up a package whose tape has like, fabric in it

[magic river]

In case the picture wasn't clear, that's a box cutter (aka a scalpel, holy shit that's sharp) mounted in a folding knife body, you can pop it out and put a new one in

[magic river]

Dang, my router isn't fast enough to do SQM at full speed, I have to choose between ~400mbit and no bufferbloat or ~900mbit and some minor bufferbloat

#firstworldproblems

I finally have a reason (other than jitter) to prefer wired connections too, my wifi can't keep up

[floral mesa]

those box cutters are nice since they bridge the gap between folding knives. However I kind of like having a full blade than a small part of it

[floral mesa]

just dont point the blade towards you or any body part and you will be fine

[golden gust]

Woooo, they fixed compact mode properly

[worthy geode]

that was quite fast, especially on a friday

[magic river]

Oh hey remember how the Tesla truck was supposed to have unbreakable windows?

Tesla vehicles also have back doors you can't open if the electrical system fails

So if you can't climb over the front seats fast enough or if your front doors are blocked/unusable I guess you just die

[unkempt drift]

how are the first two things related?

do you know that the truck doesn't have mechanical backups for the back seats?

thats gotta be like the perfect definition of some bad argument right @magic river ? its like a hot hands fallacy

[magic river]

I mean, I'd say it's more likely than not they won't have mechanical backups

[unkempt drift]

on what are you basing that?

[magic river]

Technically the Y and S have them if you have tools to tear part of the car apart and grab on random cables but the 3 you're just fucked and need to break a window

I'm based that on "this is how Tesla works"

Based on... all their other cars

[unkempt drift]

and that is the hot hands fallacy right there

[magic river]

I don't think you understand the hot hands fallacy

[unkempt drift]

there is so much different about the truck vs their other cars you cant make comparisons like that

[potent wedge]

Well, it didn't shatter

[unkempt drift]

hot hands is you expect things to keep happening because they've happened before

[magic river]

No, that's basic pattern recognition

hot hands is specially about thinking winning streaks make wins more likely when there is no reason to believe their odds should be any different

[unkempt drift]

ok, so then what pattern are you applying here? tesla makes cars not trucks, so they broke a pattern there, they make vehicles with smother curves, broke another pattern there

they also dont make cars with "unbreakable" glass

which is a key safety thing

[magic river]

They do already make deathtraps though

[unkempt drift]

so I think its more likely that they do have mechanical backups for just that reason

[magic river]

So it wouldn't be out of the norm there 😄

[unkempt drift]

aren't their cars rated like uber safe?

[magic river]

That's a misunderstanding of statistics

Tesla compares their cars to the entire auto market instead of only to luxury sedans

[unkempt drift]

from Consumer Reports?

im not talking about what Tesla says their cars are

im talking about what 3rd parties say