general

[jagged egret]

Oh I was referring to the interval tree, it'd have to be converted to an array to send to the client

[magic river]

Well, sure, you'd have to convert but not to an array

Unless your target is Minecraft 1.0 or something 😛

[jagged egret]

Basically I've been toying with the idea of creating a custom server implementation (from scratch) to support custom blocks & entities via resource packs without client-side mods

[magic river]

https://wiki.vg/Chunk_Format#Data_structure

[worn ember]

wouldn't you need a custom client for that?

[magic river]

I tried to write this as a CraftBukkit thing back in the day, mine didn't go quite as far as this and of course had to convert back to the old format for network and disk

[jagged egret]

no, it's possible with just resource packs

[magic river]

iirc mine only had three levels of bits per entry

nibble, byte, and short

Even though you only need 1-12 bits I was doing 4, 8, or 16 bits just to make the code less crazy

iirc when I had to use a short it was actually larger than just flat arrays but that would almost never happen and it wasn't worth having two formats to try to optimize that case

[wet storm]

I mean, I'd like to have some sort of plugins loading at the beginning of Bootrstrap.bootStrap() and have something like "registry events" (and lifecycles) to do hacks with registries, but prob I need to fork paper for that...

[jagged egret]

Could also make a wrapper

[golden gust]

Plugins load there because they've always loaded there

changing that is gonna be a huge ass break

[magic river]

What I'm hearing is you want to use Sponge

[golden gust]

(But, it's something which is kinda on the radar)

[wet storm]

But, what if make something like "CorePlugins" (sounds like coremods, but plugins) and load them in there, or even in paperclip itself

[magic river]

Oh hey I just realized, making everyone go through paperweight to write things that poke at internals means if you change the obfuscation in the future (like going back to fully Mojang obfuscated names for everything) that just needs a recompile

[jagged egret]

Paperweight?

[magic river]

It's the paper build system

It's also used by plugins that want to poke at Mojang stuff

[wet storm]

A paper toolchain (gradle plugin) which builds paper itself, allows doing forks, and use NMS in mojmaps for users

[jagged egret]

:o That's new

Well, new to me. Haven't done much with plugins for something like 3 years 😂

[magic river]

It lets you write your plugin as if everything was deobfuscated using Mojang's own names for things and then during compile it converts it back

[jagged egret]

Is ProtocolLib still the defacto standard for packet stuff or is there something better/more lightweight now?

[lament patio]

PacketEvents is more lightweight

Though PL is still by far the most popular

[quasi valley]

I'd stick with ProtocolLib

[crystal lily]

https://github.com/PaperMC/paperweight-test-plugin

[quasi valley]

krusic knows what's up

[ashen cliff]

Sadly.

[jagged egret]

why's that

[rare python]

paperweight userdev makes nms stupidly easy

[wet storm]

^^^ and if I learn some fancy nms thing in fabric or forge (in both I use mojmaps) I can copy paste my code and have no headaches

I love mojmaps more for standardizing minecraft source code and community in general rather than the actual names

[half escarp]

Which is better, plugin messaging or using redis server

Just curious

[golden gust]

redis

[half escarp]

For keeping the whole network aware how many players are anywhere and the current status of servers

[rare python]

Depends what your doing

[half escarp]

And how do you think networks get updated

[rare python]

Between servers should be done with redis

Between servers and proxy, just use plugin messaging, its easier

Also I asked 2 questions on my PR, and I kinda need an answer. https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/7828

[half escarp]

Just keeping proxy aware of all server's tps or and how many players

Which is better if its expected to expand the messaging between them, maybe soon servers need information about each other

[rare python]

As I said, for Proxy <-> Server communication you may as well use plugin messaging channels.

Server <-> Server use redis

[worn ember]

signalr

[rare python]

And if your using Redis, don't bother with Plugin Channels.

You could try and design your plugins with both solutions in mind, so if you need to switch, you can do so easily.

[worn ember]

or build it right the first time so you dont have to switch

[rare python]

I prefer to design things that work well enough but have room to easily be improved.

[half escarp]

Uhh the most confusing question to me is how to make the whole network restart at the same time to apply updates

And i wonder how hypixel stores names of their game servers (they have alot, i dont think they use bungee config at all)

[worn ember]

database

[rare python]

Which is why for command responses I now have my own little Feedback API.

There is just a few functions that take a type, a format string, and some variables which it constructs into whatever message format I need, currently MiniMessage.

[void void]

doing what hypixel does won't necessarily be the best solution

[untold meadow]

no i think hypixel uses flatfile

[half escarp]

And they add servers to it manually or smth

[worn ember]

idk man

i havent touched mc servers in the last 10 years

[half escarp]

What

Minecraft was new at this time

[warm anchor]

Ded do you even remember how to make a crafting table

[half escarp]

Anyway

[warm anchor]

[worn ember]

4 slabs /s

[warm anchor]

[wet storm]

I looked at sponge api, and I like the style, but there is so a few people actually using it, the only reason is making plugins for forge modded servers, but for forge I'd rather choose use Forge server side mods rather than learning a new api...

[half escarp]

Is it a good idea to store server names in a db and a small config in every server containing its name

So server knows what it is

[rare python]

A server I played on used crafting tables for plugin stuff, which resulted in it being normal to craft crafting tables stacks at a time.

[rare python]

If you have a single proxy you don't really need to store it in a database

[half escarp]

Should i worry about unexpected server killing or crashes while coding

[rare python]

Are you debugging?

[vague lagoon]

probably yes

[rare python]

Minecraft servers freak out if you breakpoint them

Which is why I primarily print statement debug

[half escarp]

Should i also worry about unexpected user modifications to database (manual modification)

[rare python]

I am trying break that habit.

[wet storm]

They don't?

[half escarp]

Im still curious on how they update their servers, do they use docker or smth

[void void]

disable the watchdog

[half escarp]

What makes them update the whole network at the same time, without human interaction, not talking about hypixel it doesnt do that

[vague lagoon]

a messaging service?

on receive, do this?

[void void]

their instances are pretty short lived

it probably just pulls the latest on start

[half escarp]

Pulls what

Updating requires replacing jars

[rare python]

That and if you breakpoint for too long your client gets disconnected
Which is unhelpful if your plugin interacts with the world and you need to see what its doing.

[half escarp]

Do they use docker

[vague lagoon]

they?

[rare python]

Probably

[rare python]

nudge

[void void]

They used to use an in-house monolithic system called MasterControl, dunno if they still use that
no docker back then afaik

[half escarp]

Hm, do u think popular networks update servers using git or smth

[rare python]

They probably have a plugin directory that has whatever the latest is, and copy paste out of there whenever they start a server up

[quasi cave]

Lol wanna hear something funny

i was flying around with the elytra... may have spammed a few rockets

[half escarp]

I dont think u can do that in docker..

[quasi cave]

server times out 💀

[rare python]

You can? I do it.

[half escarp]

U cant copy files out of host machine

[void void]

yeah you can

[quasi cave]

and it's still timed out, hasn't ticked for 4 minutes even after it kicked everyone off lmao

[half escarp]

Do you think network servers have any type of configuration, or they just fetch everything from db

Including lobby map for example

[rare python]

Mostly DBs, or central config files using a similar method to plugins

[half escarp]

Well if u can copy files out of host machine in docker tell me it would be incredible for me

[upbeat falcon]

bash - How to mount a host directory in a Docker container - Stack ...

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/23439126/how-to-mount-a-host-directory-in-a-docker-container

May 3, 2014 ... There are a couple ways you can do this. The simplest way to do so is to use the dockerfile ADD command like so: ADD . /path/inside/docker/ ...

About 6,190,000 results (0.34 seconds)

[rare python]

An example config from my testing server docker-compose.yml

  paper:
    image: itzg/minecraft-server
    container_name: "paper"
    depends_on: ["redis", "mongo"]
    ports: [25565:25565, 5005:5005]
    stdin_open: true
    tty: true
    volumes:
      - ./data/paper/:/data/:rw # Data Directory

      - ./data/paper/plugins/IonCore/:/data/plugins/IonCore/:rw # Ensure the Plugins folder is read/write
      
      # Plugins - Prevent these from being changed.
      - ./Ion.jar:/data/plugins/Ion.jar:ro
      - ./IonCore.jar:/data/plugins/IonCore.jar:ro
      - ./external_plugins/paper/FastAsyncWorldEdit-Bukkit-2.1.2-SNAPSHOT-151.jar:/data/plugins/FastAsyncWorldEdit-Bukkit-2.1.2-SNAPSHOT-151.jar:ro

      # Config - Prevent these from being changed.
      - ./config/paper/server.properties:/data/server.properties:ro
      - ./config/paper/bukkit.yml:/data/bukkit.yml:ro
      - ./config/paper/spigot.yml:/data/spigot.yml:ro
      - ./config/paper/paper.yml:/data/paper.yml:ro
      - ./config/paper/plugins/IonCore/config.conf:/data/plugins/IonCore/config.conf:ro

    environment:
      TYPE: "PAPER"
      VERSION: "1.18.2"
      EULA: "TRUE"
      USE_AIKAR_FLAGS: "TRUE"
      JVM_OPTS: "-agentlib:jdwp=transport=dt_socket,server=y,suspend=n,address=paper:5005"

[half escarp]

I forgot this is a thing

[rare python]

Not saying this is a golden example of how to do things, but its how I do it, and it works well for me.

[void void]

Keep in mind that you shouldn't over-scale, it's a waste of time to scale for 20k players when you have 2

[lavish compass]

I kinda dislike itzg's image

Since it downloads paper completely at runtime

[rare python]

I do as well, however I am too lazy to put something better together right now.

[lavish compass]

this is a security risk

you're exposing port 5005

[rare python]

Its a local testing server

Completely acceptable

[lavish compass]

if it's behind a firewall sure, but please put a disclaimer before someone without the knowledge run it in production

[rare python]

.

"from my testing server"

[golden gust]

I mean, fwiw, you can just remote tunnel

[lavish compass]

shameless ad but: https://github.com/cubxity/docker-minecraft-server

[golden gust]

ssh tunneling is ❤️

[rare python]

Did not know that.

oops forgot to turn of ping

sorry

[golden gust]

Most competent tooling supports ssh forwarding for that stuff

worse case, theres always just opening your own ssh tunnel

[rare python]

Again, this is a local testing server, so its not too big of a deal.

[lavish compass]

complicated arbitrary code execution using unrestricted network access vulnerability ™ /s

[rare python]

My actual server config is more sensible

  survival:
    image: itzg/minecraft-server
    restart: unless-stopped
    container_name: survival
    depends_on: ["mongo", "redis"]
    ports: [24454:24454/udp]
    volumes:
      - ./survival:/data
    environment:
      - TYPE=PAPER
      - VERSION=1.18.2
      - EULA=TRUE
      - MEMORY=8G
      - USE_AIKAR_FLAGS=TRUE

24454 is Voice Chat Mod

[lavish compass]

what's the udp port for

ah

restart should probably be always

since if docker daemon restarts, it won't automatically start

[rare python]

Oh really?

[lavish compass]

yes that has happened before with me

with always, you can still stop it manually for the session

[rare python]

The only ports which are open is 80 and 443 for dynmap site, 25565 for mc, 27017 (only open to localhost), 24455 and 24454 for voice chat mod

[pastel lodge]

anyone know how i can get in touch with inventivetalent?

[golden gust]

why?

[pastel lodge]

i wanna ask her something

kinda cool tbh

i've got this plugin that i made time ago, https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/transparentheads.86404/ now its actually useless since microsoft has made it so you can't upload anything to education.minecraft.net so the plugin won't work, maybe with mineskin we can get it to work idk

could be cool

maybe she can tell me something that i don't know

[golden gust]

well, if you can do it as a standard mc head texture thing, you can do it with mineskin

[pastel lodge]

well the thing is that this only works with education.minecraft.net, i need to try uploading an high res image to mineskin and try generating the texture base64 you know

[golden gust]

her site just uses the traditional mojang skin system

[pastel lodge]

the only thing that comes up to my head tho is mineskin working on actual skin on accounts, they can't place high res images on a normal account

ye ik

thats the problem

maybe she has some other way

[golden gust]

I mean, I fail to understand how a site which just uses mojangs skin uploading system would lead towards her knowing something completely out of the scope of that specific system, but 🤷‍♂️

[pastel lodge]

i mean she has WAY MORE experience than me

[golden gust]

she's literally using publically documented API

[pastel lodge]

thats sad, mine was such a great plugin idea

it worked now it doesn't anymore

😦

[jagged egret]

what would your question be? You could probably find the answer in the source code

[rare python]

nudge

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/psNkTXn2-2022-05-17_22-56-32.png

Now that's a first for me.

[wet storm]

I reacted with the 👍 on your pr, everything I can do...

[worthy geode]

time for the 🚀 reaction

[true canyon]

Time sensitive plugin? 🤔

[ashen cliff]

No idea why tho.

Kinda have a nice custom build going on...

[lavish compass]

lmfao

[urban depot]

could try to fork the source code and get rid of the timer somehow

[brave mountain]

I was looking featured servers on Minecraft PE and I see many gamemodes, how do they do that without plugins?

[twin lagoon]

they have plugins

some of those partnered servers have their own server software from scratch

some literally just use paper/spigot

[brave mountain]

I think it is difficult to have many players under geyser/floodgate and it can be unstable.

by many I mean a lot

[brave mountain]

coded in C++ I guess

[peak ginkgo]

doesnt matter what lang

old school mineplex was php

[brave mountain]

ohhh, lol, most of them are actually java, php or even go

[jagged egret]

is there such thing as a weak hash set

[limber knot]

you can just use Collections#newSetFromMap with a WeakHashMap

[jagged egret]

ah nice

[magic river]

Azure AD OAuth2 is such a PITA

Tried to use their provided OIDC library to do it, we got a response we expected once but didn't have the right scopes, after adding the right scopes it failed, removed them and it still failed, never got OIDC to work again no matter how many things we fiddled with on the AD side or code

Switched to just doing raw OAuth2, when setting it up to give an access token we couldn't find a valid userinfo endpoint and/or how to call any of the ones we found

[brave mountain]

self hosted AD is trash

[magic river]

Finally had to create our client in AD so we could configure it to just give us basically the contents of the userinfo call as a JWT

[brave mountain]

Azure email AD still better alternative

[magic river]

It doesn't let you do anything as that user but that's fine, we just needed their email address

Ended up using zero of the things Microsoft said we should be using

[brave mountain]

If you can't beat the enemy join them

[rare python]

nudge

[magic river]

#paper-dev

[magic river]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1526465624326782976

Elon Musk (@elonmusk)

@Teslarati 20% fake/spam accounts, while 4 times what Twitter claims, could be much higher.

My offer was based on Twitter’s SEC filings being accurate.

Yesterday, Twitter’s CEO publicly refused to show proof of <5%.

This deal cannot move forward until he does.

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Twitter · May 17, 2022, 7:32 AM

He is trying real hard to get out of this deal

afaik his options are to get a judge to invalidate their contract, buy the company at the agreed price, or, if one of a few conditions is triggered, pay Twitter $1b for wasting their time

He can't just choose to walk away, he has to make a best effort to raise the money to buy Twitter and pay them $1b if he can't

[true canyon]

I want a site like pcpartpicker for cameras.

[magic river]

You build cameras from parts?

I know you have the body, lens, and attachments but aren't those generally standard?

I mean, the body is the actual camera and I think the lenses are per-company but still

[true canyon]

Lenses don't have to be from the same company, and there are multiple features of lenses to fiddle with. It's complicated just enough I'd like a tool to simplify the process for me, and importantly to let me see all features in one convenient table to mess around with and see live prices.

[floral mesa]

I dont think hes trying to get out exactly, he might be doing a powerplay to challenge twitter's SEC filings, which can then justify lowering the cost of the company

wouldnt shock me if this hasnt been done before, to garnish the value of a company only to find out it was full of shit

[worthy geode]

I feel like those 20% are just lurkers who never tweet and just follow. but elon is the kind of person that has to voice their opinion on absolutely everything so hes probably not understanding that

[magic river]

He can't lower the price of the company without getting out of the current contract (or getting twitter to renegotiate it)

He signed a really dumb deal

He isn't allowed to walk away

[potent wedge]

F

[magic river]

He wanted to buy Twitter, they said no, he insisted, they made sure he'd keep insisting

[potent wedge]

Brilliant idea I would only expect corporations like Twitter to have

[magic river]

I imagine at some point they'd agree to a settlement to make the lawsuits stop or a judge would decide things were silly but the explanation I saw said that, if all else fails, he would even be required to sell all his Tesla stock to raise the money

[worthy geode]

that would be slightly funny. although that probably would impact his ability to pour money into SpaceX

[magic river]

The $1b is what he owes for wasting their time if he doesn't have enough money or the government blocks the deal

But he can't just say "I don't have the money", he has to make a serious effort to get the money

[potent wedge]

Can't his lawyers save him or does he really have no choice but to buy it

[magic river]

With enough lawyers you can do almost anything, sure

They could probably argue selling all his assets isn't an acceptable fundraising scheme so the contract can't force him to do so

Then he is back to owing Twitter $1b for wasting their time still

I think he is angling for getting a judge to terminate the contract for fraud at this point

[spare venture]

the funny thing is how $1 billion is nothing to him, but it’s probably the principle/pride

[potent wedge]

Yeah "Elon musk throws away 1 bil" hurts more than the billion

[spare venture]

that’s the cost of acting like a fool

i wonder what his game is

[warm anchor]

He gets to be on the news and have people talk about him

[potent wedge]

He might've started it as a little joke thinking he could get it cheaply

[warm anchor]

that's worth every penny for him

[magic river]

He thought the stock market in 2022 was going to be like the last 10 years

Even though it was already trending down when he made the deal

[spare venture]

ya tech stocks were already crashing and he offers twitter to buy every share for well above the market rate

[worthy geode]

but would he invested in twitter if it was just about stocks? the twitter stock was never particularly good

[spare venture]

right

[magic river]

No no, he was leveraging his Tesla stock for loans to buy Twitter

[spare venture]

.

[magic river]

(and selling some of his Tesla stock)

So long as Twitter made him more money than the loan payments it would be a win, perhaps not as much as other investments but it's not like he could sell that stock anyway

[worthy geode]

but if the goal was "I have 40 billion and want to invest them in a tech company because I expect the market to continue in the same way as it did in the last ten years", twitter would be a bit of a weird choice

[spare venture]

well he’s buying the whole company so he’d have to get profit to make money

[magic river]

The general trend was already bad but then him selling $8b worth of Tesla stock sent it on a free fall

So all the banks backed out on the loan offers because they required the stock to be above a certain level

[potent wedge]

He sold his stock?????

Never expects that

[worthy geode]

and Twitter is the one big tech company that is really bad at making a profit

[spare venture]

fr

well not the one

[magic river]

iirc the plan was to sell $12b but he stopped early because the price was dropping so much

[potent wedge]

12b????? Man Elon musk

[spare venture]

it’s almost like tesla was overvalued and speculators didn’t want to lose money from the dip caused by elon selling a ton of shares

[worthy geode]

I doubt Reddit is making a profit, we will see that when they really go public this year. but other than that the big social media platforms are more profitable then twitter for sure

[magic river]

No, Tesla is totally worth more than the rest of the world automakers combined

[spare venture]

lmao

[warm anchor]

I mean it happened to SolarCity. The sucker who are holding TSLA will for sure not wanting it to happen again.

[potent wedge]

Solar city is working on the tesla solar roof right?

[worthy geode]

they kinda merged or something, that was a bit weird

[warm anchor]

yeah the famous solar tile

[worthy geode]

also the solar roof is a cool idea but implementation is really lacking. as usual

[spare venture]

i will always just continue to invest in index funds and live worry free

[warm anchor]

The tile is pretty dumb

[potent wedge]

Yeah, sad that Only special contractors can install it

[spare venture]

don’t care about how some dumb individual company does something

that sounds legal

[worthy geode]

and they don't produce enough

Also I don't see the benefit over traditional solar panels on the roof, other than aesthetics

[spare venture]

hope they don’t get a significant market share lol

[magic river]

SolarCity was mostly doing traditional installs

[warm anchor]

it has more negative and pretty much the only positive is to look good (?) that's also an opinion piece.

[magic river]

Their whole thing was putting the system up at no cost but then you pay them for electricity for the next 20 years

$$$$ to be made but it requires a lot of up front capital

[potent wedge]

They probably soured the whole market when they did that because my whole family is afraid of solar panels due to that

[magic river]

And if you don't do your life cycle calculations right it's a good way to go broke giving away free/cheap solar panels

[spare venture]

yeahhh lmao

that’s an interesting business model

[magic river]

iirc some states outlawed it

[warm anchor]

solar panel is only good in certain part of the countries

[magic river]

Only your local utility can offer you that deal, otherwise you need to buy the panels yourself

[spare venture]

somewhat true ^^

[magic river]

(with loans of course)

[potent wedge]

Well I mean if it gets really cheap and fashionable maybe we can finally live on a decentralized power network (of course assuming all the houses get batterys too)

[worthy geode]

do you get money from the utility or the government for putting the generated electricity back into the main grid in the US?

[spare venture]

yes

[magic river]

Sure

[potent wedge]

Some utilities give you a discount I think others give free credit and others buy it

[magic river]

They're usually requires to buy it from you without limit and at a fixed cost

Well, fixed relative to what you pay them for going the other way

[spare venture]

what if texas freezes over again? can i sell it to the utility for $1000/kwh

[potent wedge]

Lol

[magic river]

Only idiots were paying that much

[spare venture]

how did that even happen

[magic river]

People were signing up for wholesale contracts because it was advertised as a way to save money

Which it is, like 90% of the time

But the utility "overcharges" for electricity that 90% of the time to have the money to pay for that 10%

Normally you pay a fixed rate and the utility is only allowed to increase it a certain amount yearly sometimes only with government approval

Industry and wholesalers pay the market rate

[worthy geode]

also there are like 5 (?) different power grids for some reason

[magic river]

3 in the US, iirc

East, West, and Texas

[worthy geode]

still better than japan with one 50hz and one 60hz grid 😄

[magic river]

Ours are all 60 at least, just out of phase

[potent wedge]

Well I mean USA has it better

[magic river]

Not that it makes a difference, connecting them together still requires massive AC-DC-AC converters

That's why neighboring states couldn't just flood Texas with power, those connecting points aren't hooked up all the time, are expensive, and are limited

[potent wedge]

Blame Texas for acting like a different country
Though it's kinda their whole thing

[magic river]

If their grid was connected to other states they'd have to follow federal regulations on it

[potent wedge]

Who in Texas wants to follow federal regulations when they can follow state regulations

I'm sure all of them support Elon musk turning the gun agency I forgor the name of into convenience store

[magic river]

Yeah, like those federal regulations that require you to winterize your grid 😄

wtf, Oracle sponsored the LTT video about piracy

Either they didn't know ahead of time or they think it's ironic

Oracle will smack the shit out of you if they think you're running their DB on an extra core in your server

[potent wedge]

Why have SQL when you can have yaml

Iike seriously the only hosting I can find is a free one and the only server I can find barely works and is needlessly complicated

[spare venture]

power grids are weird

[potent wedge]

Very

Like IPv4 and 6

Though in the end we don't have to deal with it because things like a outlet and TCP exist

[merry talon]

it doesn't really seem like oracle's DB brings much to the table for how butthurt they get about it

like, does anyone know why the hell you'd want to use it over an open source one?

or is it just 100% tech debt at this point

[languid garden]

what is something people would like to see in a factions plugin in the year of our lord 2022

[magic river]

TIL a Ryzen 7 4700G can play most Wii U and Switch games at full speed without a dedicated GPU

Well, assuming the emulator works well with the game

[floral mesa]

Its really meant for the enterprise, and most features are more or less focused on how the data is stored and how it gets sent than features for end users.

plus you have old legacy stuff that is still being used to this day

[jagged egret]

If I do new LivingEntity(...) does that entity get added to the tick loop?

It doesn't look like it, but I want to make sure I'm not missing something

[magic river]

btw Delaware (where a trial between Musk and Twitter would take place) has already recently ruled on this situation

IBP Inc v. Tyson Foods Inc had Tyson try to back out of buying IBP (both are meat packing) but Delaware forced them to follow through

[merry talon]

yeah so oracles primary feature is scalability... so just use vitess

[magic river]

It has to be added to a world to be ticked, make sure the constructor doesn't do so (iirc it takes a world)

Also #paper-dev 😛

In theory Musk could offer them more than $1b to agree to cancel the contract

They'd have to weigh that offer against the time and effort for a lawsuit and their odds of winning

[merry talon]

man i am so tired of hearing that name

can we go back to bezos or trump or whatever

it's like he's the god emperor of humanity atm

[ashen cliff]

They better force him.
Since he killed the company by doing this.
Top people leaving and stuff.

[merry talon]

uh <@&748618676189528155> moment?

ok thank you come again

[mental meadow]

I'm confused what is that

[merry talon]

idk I figured OTC drug abuse to be against community guidelines

it's lean

actually its not otc in most places

so that's worse

[warm anchor]

@kind agate stop acting edgy and be gone pls

[turbid oar]

What soda is that?

[worthy geode]

Disgusting looking soda

[mental meadow]

where's the drug abuse i don't get it someone please explain

[turbid oar]

looks like a drug xD

[merry talon]

lean is sprite + large amounts of cough syrup usually prescription

that's why its purple

man get help

[warm anchor]

Sweepy knows what’s up. Dumb kid love to flex the fact they are on that shit

[mental meadow]

What the fuck are jolly ranchers

[turbid oar]

who?

[warm anchor]

Aurora he’s trolling

@turbid oar the guy with the original image

[mental meadow]

Okay that looks disgusting but i still see no drug abuse

[merry talon]

an entire bottle of sprite does not turn purple due to adding a few jolly ranchers

pls google lean aurora

[turbid oar]

ew

[merry talon]

that puts you to sleep

[turbid oar]

how the hell would that type of odd drink mix put you to sleep

have a piece of chocolate

[warm anchor]

https://www.addictioncenter.com/community/lean-dangerous-drug/

[turbid oar]

Having diabetes must suck ass

[merry talon]

anyway

[warm anchor]

This article even explained why it’s called purple lean

[turbid oar]

oh boy the last paragraph

[mental meadow]

!ban @kind agate drug abuse and trolling

[thorny flicker]

:raised_hands: Banned fanboy and chum chum#3137 (drug abuse and trolling) [2 total infractions] -- aurora#4484.

[mental meadow]

Thanks @merry talon ❤️

[warm anchor]

He either really fucked up his brain for real or just an edgy kid

[merry talon]

[warm anchor]

Let’s hope it’s the later

[turbid oar]

xD

odd time to look into papermc chat

[warm anchor]

Sweepy is now the pharmacist

@merry talon

[turbid oar]

Listening to skyrim music before bed 😌

[merry talon]

everyone gets 1000mg of adderall, we gon get hangar done by tonight

[warm anchor]

I guess those provably called differently in where Aurora live

But yeah it was obv lol

The bait was too real

[warm anchor]

Lmao

[worthy geode]

I've never heard of people doing that, lol. Why

[warm anchor]

High school kids here

Plus you can grab those at over the counter (the alternative formula one)

(US)

[turbid oar]

kids drinking 💀

[mental meadow]

I've never heard of anything like that tbh

[turbid oar]

I am 20 and cannot drink yet because of the us

well I mean I could but whatever

[warm anchor]

You don’t even get high so to speak

It clouded your mind mostly

And see that dudes chat history lmao

Either good actor or an actual abuser

[mental meadow]

Let's stop talking about drugs ✌️

[warm anchor]

Yeah back to anime and usual me

[lavish compass]

@warm anchor

[warm anchor]

[merry talon]

no waifus?

[mental meadow]

All the waifus

[vernal moth]

Just got this months remuneration statement, and it's filled with all kinda boni I don't understand, but I'll take it, lol

Apparently union did stuff, gov did stuff, I got a boni cause company hired a friend of mine thru my recommendation, Mai is the normal month for boni, etc

But man, if you exaggerate gross wage like this, seeing the net is even more sad

Gov making bank with me this month, lmao

[vernal moth]

Reeeeeee

Just when I thought vite was the perfect tool I run into the first issue that I can't solve

I have a lib that includes a font, vite inlines the font as base64, inflating the file size

And I can't seem to find how to tell it to stop

[red timber]

web development moment

[mental meadow]

weeb development?

[red timber]

if web development turns you into weeb, then I'm going to renegotiate my working terms

[high peak]

Hey guys, I have an error with my minecraft server when I try and join it. This is the error in the console.

[20:09:40 ERROR]: Couldn't verify username because servers are unavailable
[20:09:40 INFO]: com.mojang.authlib.GameProfile@2adec809[id=<null>,name=_Nyx_0,properties={},legacy=false] (/127.0.0.1:54417) lost connection: Authentication servers are down. Please try again later, sorry!

[wet storm]

[potent wedge]

Okay it says "servers are unavailable" so what does that mean?

[vernal moth]

I think lib mode in vite is just fucked in general

[urban depot]

Hello, does anybody know what option in singleplayer removes the black unloaded chunks that appear underground (down a staircase for example)

The chunks load fine above ground but not underground and I'm looking for a way to change that

[limber knot]

what do you mean?

[urban depot]

I think it only happens when I'm walking down a staircase

I'll try to take an ss

I have to walk closer to it to make it load for some reason. Just wondering if there's an option

[limber knot]

that's just the render distance?

[urban depot]

It's on 24 chunks so it just seems close

might be my eyes idk

yeah so if i press F3 + G to show chunk borders I count it as the 3rd chunk in front of me

it loads when it's less than 3 chunks away

[ashen cliff]

Optifine moment?

[charred sleet]

are cookies page specific?
Like if it is set on one page on a request, and then you get redirected to another does it stay?

[ashen cliff]

Should be whole domain.

[limber knot]

depends on how the cookie is setup but I don't think it's possible for it to be deleted automatically when moving to another page, the shortest automatic invalidation is per session

[vernal moth]

You can give cookies a path

So they only apply so subpaths of that then

[limber knot]

TIL

[vernal moth]

Cookies have a ton of important options

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/Set-Cookie

Secure, httponline and same site are really important

[golden gust]

Yea, cookies have gotten kinda darn nice over the years

[vernal moth]

Weekly reminder that Firefox still uses the unsecure default for same site

They announced they gonna change it any nothing happened

[golden gust]

it's firefox

[vernal moth]

Chrome changed it years ago by now, making everybody more secure

[golden gust]

give them a few years and a UI rewrite

[vernal moth]

Man I love the weather

Sun is out, I got nice ice cream, can just chill in the next park in the grass, enjoy the sun and the sweet smell of marijuana

Watch me sunburn any%

[worn ember]

Just did a 40min walk in the burning sun lol

Now i know what my GPU feels like

[spare venture]

wonder if discord ever changes this

[ashen cliff]

Thank you Google.
https://posili.me/i/X7LNf5yM-2022-05-18_17-27-40.png

[magic river]

SFC v. Vizio got sent back to California courts as a contract dispute

Vizio tried to argue GPL was only a copyright thing so should be in federal court

If it was only a copyright thing then only the copyright holders would be able to sue over it but since the GPL grants those rights to everyone who receives a binary the federal judge sent it back

SFC doesn't own or act on the behalf of a copyright holder, they just bought a TV

If they win it would mean that, at least in California, anyone could sue over a GPL violation

Like, say, a closed source Bukkit plugin 😄

[golden gust]

dun, duun, duuuuun

[vernal moth]

A precedent for that could be cool, cause then you could send c&d letters

With that reference

[hexed dragon]

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-1-19-pre-release-1

[quiet mesa]

so fast

[mild rune]

time for the 1.19 when crowd to roll in

[hexed dragon]

lol

[quiet mesa]

time for ETA xd

[ashen cliff]

Oh no.

[mild rune]

oh yeah

[pale river]

ETA 1.19?

[worthy geode]

Tomorrow

[worthy geode]

That's useful, I guess

[quiet mesa]

yeah not sure how can be make in vanilla xd

[lament patio]

Oh no

[void void]

pre1?

didn't realise it was this close

[quiet mesa]

yeah i think a few more snap...

[pale river]

Yeah, I expected more content

[quiet mesa]

i expected a few minor improvements

[brave mountain]

I was expecting even earlier

[void void]

time to start keeping a closer eye on the update feed on tuesdays ig

probably won't be next tuesday, right?

[quiet mesa]

maybe... until RC

[void void]

~~let's hope I don't fuck up world generation for everyone this time ~~

[quiet mesa]

any thing can happen

[brave mountain]

tomorrow is live

[drowsy urchin]

What’s the point of the new signed chat thing in 1.19

[ripe sphinx]

Mojang can verify a player did indeed send a message, for what seems to be some sort of upcoming player reporting system

(actually anyone can, not just mojang)

[little frost]

are the public keys available somewhere? or am i misunderstanding how verification would work

[ripe sphinx]

Yeah they're available from the mojang API afaik

[magic river]

It lets everyone know the player actually sent that message and not the server faking it but I imagine Mojang would want it too for their filtering thing

afaik right now that endpoint either doesn't exist or doesn't do anything but the server can already be configured to talk to it

[brave mountain]

I think that only counts for vanilla servers

[spare venture]

i doubt that

i would imagine mojang would work closely with the servers community to ensure it actually gets used

[magic river]

The whole point of the new scheme seems to be to allow custom servers to modify the chat (to add prefixes, styles, filtering, whatever) and have the client still sign off on it

If they only cared about vanilla servers they wouldn't bother with any of that

[little frost]

that's what i was also afraid of but the preview stuff looks great

[ripe sphinx]

also live MM etc preview gonna be pog

[magic river]

I have no idea how the API is going to support that preview stuff

[spare venture]

mojang has been working closely with the servers community for a while on stuff like this

i wouldn’t worry about it being implemented super poorly

[ripe sphinx]

Yeah I know there's a super secret discord with mojang staff, paper people, and other notable devs

[magic river]

Either they have to do PlayerChatEvent for each character typed and then just capture the result as the preview (which will break things) or not send a plugin the PlayerChatEvent if they don't opt-in to the preview system, presumably with a new event

[little frost]

the fun part is how spigot is gonna maintain backwards compatibility

it's not sent for each character

[spare venture]

good thing spigot becomes more irrelevant every day

[magic river]

Whatever, don't argue specifics like that 😛

[ripe sphinx]

oh god I forgot that spigot'll be implementing this too

[magic river]

It has some debounce, sure

[ripe sphinx]

how badly do we think md will fuck it up

[brave mountain]

but what can do mojang with that? delete the player's account and refund the money?

[spare venture]

moderation

[magic river]

Why would they refund the money?

[ripe sphinx]

&x&F&U&C&K&M&E flashbacks...

[spare venture]

global bans, global chat bans

[brave mountain]

I was just saying 😂

[spare venture]

yeah TOS violations generally disqualify you from refunds

mojang clearly cares about player safety as evident with their investment into this

[magic river]

Preview is multiple packets, it's a 100ms timeout or something right?

[drowsy urchin]

Will there will be a way to turn off this player reporting feature if the server doesn’t want it?

[spare venture]

anarchy servers in shambles

[magic river]

So there will be multiple events for a message

[void void]

200ms for the first time, after that every 1000 iirc

[brave mountain]

you get banned from chat, servers, or entire login?

[spare venture]

i don’t think you get a say in what happens on mojangs platform when it comes to player safety

[magic river]

If you don't modify the preview you can't modify the message

[spare venture]

ask mojang. i would say follow their TOS and you don’t have to worry about it

[magic river]

So plugins either need to get spammed with chat events or stop getting or being able to modify chat events unless they opt-in to the new preview event

Actually you just can't modify the chat event anymore

[turbid oar]

What are you guys talking about. Just glanced at the channel to see whats new in subject 👀

[spare venture]

scroll up

[brave mountain]

I barely play minecraft xd

[spare venture]

said in a minecraft discord

[magic river]

PlayerChatEvent is now informational only

[turbid oar]

ok 0_o

[magic river]

ChatEvent, AsyncChatEvent, whatever

You don't get to modify the chat in there anymore

[little frost]

can't the whole signing thing be disabled entirely as a worst case option? lol

[void void]

200->100*

[magic river]

iirc the client won't show messages that are supposed to be from players but have bad signatures

[turbid oar]

Is this the topic chad?

[brave mountain]

I don't even play on public servers

[magic river]

So you'd also have to modify the packet to make every message look like it comes from the server (the UUID field) which would then break disabling chat in the client

[spare venture]

yes

[turbid oar]

You should it's fun when you are bored

[spare venture]

correct servers could just bypass it if they really want to

just send everything as a system message

[brave mountain]

I'm a little afraid

[spare venture]

anarchy servers no longer in shambles

over what

[magic river]

It's a thing in server.properties to turn on checking in with Mojang about messages

[vague lagoon]

don’t break the law or tos and you’ll be fine

[magic river]

Not the signing stuff, the filtering stuff

[brave mountain]

I thing those servers are just social experiments

the biggest ones

[spare venture]

i am super excited for mojang global moderation, finally spambots, bad actors, etc can have consequences. and with accounts no longer being $0.05 each

[warm anchor]

Offline mode server in shamble

[turbid oar]

offline mode 💀

[brave mountain]

that's why I was asking, if they are permanently banned will be a relief

[warm anchor]

Is it gonna be like steam or no?

MS ban only affect MC? Or entire MS gaming account

[brave mountain]

ask MS

[turbid oar]

seems nice xD. Would that include stupid clients?

[spare venture]

stupid clients…?

[little frost]

oh my god i just realized some stupid clients still don't have all modern component styling options, how are they gonna deal with this lmao

[worthy geode]

I mean. No account = no way to ban that account

[turbid oar]

I dislike hacked clients mostly

[brave mountain]

some clients are better than the actual official lol

[spare venture]

i think they are only concerned about player safety, so most likely just chat

[brave mountain]

hacking = ban, but that nothing to do with chat

[turbid oar]

damn

[spare venture]

i doubt mojang will ever implement any sort of anticheat

[turbid oar]

true

I read a blog somewhere about that

[brave mountain]

hacking could only be moderated on a official server

[void void]

fr

[turbid oar]

true true

[brave mountain]

the purpose of hacking is the same of griefing

[turbid oar]

but way worse

I will celebrate when mojang bans all hacked clients

[brave mountain]

another reason I don't play on public servers

[turbid oar]

but I bet the community would go very down hill if that happens because a lot of people use those

[ruby wadi]

hi, i5 12500 vs ryzen 9 3900? im interested for a server with 80 90 players.

[turbid oar]

the specs are good but you want to focus on the ram

[brave mountain]

you will be good with a i5 8th gen lol

[turbid oar]

about 10gb of ram or a little more is good

[ruby wadi]

yeah but i5 better than ryzen?

[brave mountain]

I you wan't to waste money ovekilling the server go ahead

[turbid oar]

um

no ryzen is better incristi1 lmfao

[vague lagoon]

all depends on the model of it

serie or whatever

and use case

[brave mountain]

don't spend too much money if the server won't use a 10th part of it

[turbid oar]

This is my server specs and its 8gb

@ruby wadi

[ruby wadi]

yeah but i need around 700 gb and 128 gb ram

a good dedicated hosting?

[brave mountain]

2b2t 2.0?

[ruby wadi]

and good price

no but i own 3 earth servers + backups

[brave mountain]

world size = storage
player count = ram

[ruby wadi]

and cpu for good tps

[brave mountain]

higher clock speeds on single core

[brave mountain]

these CPU's are not comparable the ryzen 9 is super high end

[ashen cliff]

Weak.

[brave mountain]

but the i5 has more turbo speed, the i9 has too many cores

[magic river]

The only way you could need 128GB ram is for multiple servers which means you could get multiple physical servers

[spare venture]

y’ain’t doing that on that hardware

at 20 tps anyway

[ashen cliff]

You can, if you try hard enough.

[worthy geode]

who needs entities or view distance anyways

[warm anchor]

View distance 3

Peaceful mode

It’s pretty doable

[spare venture]

gotta remove most of the game on that hardware

[rare python]

borg go brrr

[ripe sphinx]

indeed https://f.u11.io/tERSkJ

I really should do a purge lol

4273 backups, 4043 of which are hourly backups

[turbid oar]

view distance is useful

[rare python]

Ya, I ended up dropping hourly backups

[ripe sphinx]

eh I just need to set up auto purging

[rare python]

I just do dailys right now

[rare python]

I do have that actually

[turbid oar]

I mostly backup files on my own time

[ripe sphinx]

yeah I just haven't bothered to sort out the flags since iirc it was kinda odd

[warm anchor]

Y’all some data hoarder

Lol

[rare python]

this is my amazing backup script

NAME=${1:-Auto-$(date +%y%m%d)}
sudo borg create --info --list --stats --exclude-from ./borg-exclude.txt --compression lz4 /backup::${NAME} *
borg prune --keep-daily 7 --keep-weekly 4 --keep-monthly 3 --save-space --prefix "Auto-" /backup
sudo chown -R peter /backup

[ripe sphinx]

yeah I need to purge before we run out of space lol

[rare python]

Well no, keeping historic backups is good practice.

[ripe sphinx]

So what do those flags retain, I never understood it? How many do you have?

[golden gust]

I mean, there was probs once or twice where I was glad that I had older backups because somebody would disappear for time and coreprotect was being a lil biatch

[ripe sphinx]

I exclude CP from backups

[rare python]

The -23 stuff was from when I did hourly

[golden gust]

CoreProtect is one of the stupidiest named things ever

[ripe sphinx]

like ffs my backups are big enough already, I don't want to deal with backing up this too https://f.u11.io/KoNgkS

[rare python]

Initially I forgot to exclude the 30GB "spaceblob" in my server files

Which caused it to backup like 4 different versions of the file

[little frost]

borg docs explained it pretty well imo

[turbid oar]

but sooo useful 😍

[golden gust]

I do kinda wish that there was something nicer though

[turbid oar]

like what

[golden gust]

I mean, I don't run a server these days, but, back in my pleb days of running a server, COs maintainence was depressing and so many servers bounced between it and logblock

LB had a nicer UI, iirc, but had less tracking

[turbid oar]

interesting

[golden gust]

but, COs inventory stuff is a royale PITA that I ended up developing some weird tricks in order to be able to use it

but, then, ofc, storage space is important, so, everyting tries to just deal with deltas, which, for things like inventories is a bit of a PITA

I had many headaches tryna rollback people yanking stuff from chests, etc

[warm anchor]

Prisms + Core protect would be perfect

They both have pro and cons

[golden gust]

I mean, part of the headache is who wants to maintain that

[rare python]

The spaceblob is a 30GB binary blob file which is being used by ZFS as a device.
The spaceblob contains 800GB of void world which is why ZFS can compress it so much

[golden gust]

I do remember when all of the logging systems where going to like, come together to make, one giant and super awesome logging system!

(and then that died and they all disappeared)

[red timber]

epic

if you use zfs then you may want to check out my scripts @ github mikroskeem/zorg

[golden gust]

I do kinda wish that the region file zero'ing survived

[rare python]

Only the 200k 200k void world is using ZFS

Everything else doesn't because there is no point

[rare python]

?

[golden gust]

region files aren't zero'd

like, neither the old bunch of sectors, nor the trailing end of the sector you're writing into

[red timber]

also i'm really grateful that borg supports remote repositories

renting 3tb hetzner storage box

only bottleneck is network bandwidth

[rare python]

Although I plan to experiment with a paper fork to alter read writing of regions to basically fake empty region files

[little frost]

nowadays you have client-side mods that can actually visualize stuff from CO and do the command stuff automatically

[golden gust]

I mean, the commands where kinda bleh

and, much of the documentation for it was a random png file on some random website

[worthy geode]

CO's doc was a random forum post somewhere 😄

[golden gust]

(Actially, idr 100%, I remember it either being tear induclingly formatted, or an image)

[worthy geode]

We used CO for a while and switched to LB, staff seems to prefer the LB commands (at least I get asked for help with it less )

[golden gust]

Yea, that was one thing, like, the major setback with CO for me was inventories and the commands

[void void]

Hello

[golden gust]

like, it was pretty kinda darn nice otherwise with some caveats

but, god, the commands

Like, for the most part the commands where okay as you rarely had to go crazy with it

but, then, er, how did you exclude a block? How do you filter X?!

[worthy geode]

LB can do some chest logging, that was usually enough for us

[golden gust]

https://www.minerealm.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=6781 - seems oddly better formatted than I remember?

[worthy geode]

https://docs.coreprotect.net/commands/
it looks decent

[golden gust]

Yea, now they have real docs

I just remember the days of the forum post as the command docs 😄

[red timber]

does anyone know from top of the head how to turn off that loud root/admin user warning?

[worthy geode]

still has no "last" parameter like logblock, that is a really useful one

[red timber]

i know what i'm doing - running container in rootless mode

[golden gust]

not disablable

[red timber]

rip

[golden gust]

words, spelling, yay

Yea, we have no sane means and don't wanna get into the rabbits nest of detecting "potentially safer than not just raw root but is pretending its root"

[red timber]

yeah you cannot detect that reliably

[golden gust]

(And, after the whole, log4j type BS...)

[red timber]

only way i could retain file ownership in rootless podman was ripping out privilege separation i had

otherwise files would be owned by uid 101999

[golden gust]

Hey

have you heard about

ACLs?

runs

[red timber]

hm?

[golden gust]

Erm, best way I can describe it is extended file perms

Just, total ass cancer

[red timber]

ah yes setfacl et al

[golden gust]

They saved my ass one time in a multi-user environment, and I love them for it

but, jesus fuck

do i never wanna touch them again

[red timber]

yeah no doesn't seem to do the trick really

[rare python]

?

[golden gust]

Yea, I mean, figuring out the best way to apply them was honestly the thing which got me the most, handy little thing when they work, no idea how they cope with other stuff and all that

[void void]

yeah, just yeet the id binary

[red timber]

lol

[rare python]

Fork paper and delete the warning ez

[golden gust]

custom l4j config

[red timber]

i'm way too out of the loop at this point to maintain a fork

just playing this silly game every once in a while with bros, trying to remember old times

[golden gust]

ohhhh

I meeeemmber

[wet storm]

It's time to continue to learn dfu again I guess

[void void]

you need about three PHDs to fully understand it

four to understand kash's PR

[wet storm]

I think I've chosen the wrong method of learning it, going through deep, but simple abstractions such as optics and profunctor optics to the actual implementation, I think it'll be better to hack some things which minecraft directly uses and learn things from them...

[wet storm]

I learnt Scala with all implicit stuff, already have 10 phds /s

[compact loom]

Hello guys can someone help me? with armor stands when i right click when opped i can open it with default i can although i think i gave correct perms to it

[spare venture]

only acl stuff i’ve used was to make sure files inherited their directory’s permissions when created/moved

[golden gust]

defaults

granting multiple users access without being able to purely rely on groups

etc

[spare venture]

oh yeah that might’ve been sticky bits i was thinking of. perm defaults yeah

[magic river]

Awesome the SEC doesn't exist anymore, time to set up a ponzi scheme

5th Circuit just ruled the SEC has no constitutional enforcement power

[golden gust]

Nah bro

they'll find a way

[placid thicket]

you guys ready for all the "1.19 when" posters who think they are funny?

[golden gust]

Yes.

!ban

[thorny flicker]

Command ban requires 2 argument(s) (<user:user|snowflake> <reason:str...>) passed 0

[limber knot]

is getting out the ban hammer! ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▋ Ò╭╮Ó

[cunning raft]

they said that they either need to provide a jury trial or require more specific guidance from congress

[brave mountain]

What just happened?

[golden gust]

advertiser

[cunning raft]

Nothing at all happened!

[brave mountain]

I was the first one, replied kashike and didn't get baned 😂

[golden gust]

itt: We make wiz mod

[cunning raft]

the good old days

[brave mountain]

And btw a lot of people are hoping for 1.19, I think you should say them, go play vanilla silly!

[placid thicket]

i just really hope they didn't change something internally that will give you guys trouble and also bring the hate mob here again... like seriously what's wrong with this community lately?

[golden gust]

remind me to go sharpen my pitch fork

Just incase

[warm anchor]

Good old day of mob coming here to shit on wiz

[worthy geode]

the chat thing will cause a few discussions for sure

[rare python]

Oh ya 1.19 is gonna be a thing soon ish

[golden gust]

anybody know if jeff dunham does like, those $5 for a celeb clip things?

[warm anchor]

@quasi valley stream soon?

[rare python]

I have 2 big questions:

1. How much will the chat APIs changed?

2. How much of a mess will spigot make of things?

[warm anchor]

2 you will have to ask

[rare python]

Do you think they will finally get the message that legacy chat is dead?

[cunning raft]

at LEAST 7 of the chat apis

[cunning raft]

who knows

[cunning raft]

who knows

i tell you who knows

[worthy geode]

just remove formatting alltogether

[warm anchor]

JRoy your test client is acting up

[cunning raft]

I KNOW

and i selling my knowledge for $700 USD

[golden gust]

MD cares so much about backwards compat that if he yeets it I'll be bloody surprised

[warm anchor]

Wow JRoy breaking NDA for a cheap price of $700

[golden gust]

Like, that would break literally every single chat plugin in existence

Not that a good chunk of chat plugins aren't gonna break anyways

[worthy geode]

Mine broke already 😦

[golden gust]

git gud

[rare python]

my server will probably continue along on 1.18.2 or use deprecated functions for a bit until I can be bothered to rewrite its custom chat

I mean it already uses deprecated functions because inherited poorly maintained code but minor details.

[golden gust]

Kinda like snowball theory

but, on a mountain of horse leavings

[rare python]

chat.kt flashbacks

[golden gust]

A good chat plugin is all I ask for

one day

Right now I basically maintain some legacy herochat fork

[golden gust]

oh no, oh no, oh no no no no no

[rare python]

Ya I know

As I said, old inherited poorly maintained code

I spammed @Deprecated on the entire file

And I have slowly been deleting parts of it

[golden gust]

how large is the source code?

[rare python]

I don't know

[golden gust]

if under 1.4MB, I has an idea

[rare python]

Its all custom movecraft-like stuff

Dating back I don't even know how far

The compiled jar is like 5MB, and that is even with abusing maven central

The thing throws 1.5k warnings, most of which are deprecations

[golden gust]

holy jesus

[rare python]

I think it goes back as far as 1.10

Possibly earlier

[worthy geode]

return is1_16 ? BungeeComponentSerializer.get().serialize(MiniMessage.get().parse(string)) : TextComponent.fromLegacyText(string);
I still have this beauty

[rare python]

For command responses I have made my own small set of functions for it

/**
 * @param type The type of feedback
 * @param message The feedback message, use "{index}" to insert variables into the message
 * @param parameters Variables to insert into the message
 * @see FeedbackType
 */
internal fun Audience.sendFeedbackMessage(type: FeedbackType, message: String, vararg parameters: Any)

The idea being that this can be easily adapted for whatever platform I need

As actually constructing the message is handled by

private fun parseFeedback(type: FeedbackType, message: String, parameters: Collection<Any>): Component {
    var newMessage = "<${type.colour}>$message"

    parameters.forEachIndexed { index, parameter ->
        newMessage = newMessage.replace(
            "{$index}", "<white>${
                when (parameter) {
                    is Number -> "$parameter"
                    else -> "\"$parameter\""
                }
            }</white>"
        )
    }

    return miniMessage().deserialize(newMessage)
}

Which as you can see currently constructs and parses a mini message string.

I don't claim it to be the best way, but it is a somewhat maintainable solution

[worthy geode]

Do you get paid for maintaining this mess?

[rare python]

lol

I did it to bring back a server I missed

[warm anchor]

Peter trying to relive childhood

[rare python]

The code was originally private, but the owner made it public when they finally admitted the server was dead after it had been dead for more then a year

[warm anchor]

[rare python]

I mean in a way, kinda, I played the server for 2 years from when I joined in 2019, up until its death in early 2021

My total playtime on there across its survival and creative server was like 2 months

Its what got me interested in minecraft server development actually

[warm anchor]

2 month already a long time by todays standard

Nowaday the kids love to server hop

[worthy geode]

meanwhile me playing on the same server since 2011

[rare python]

The server was fun until it died

[warm anchor]

I think everyone has a server like that in their heart

[golden gust]

I mean, people loved to jump on hypickle and a few other servers, but, servers I've done stuff for have generally kinda been a good number of peoples mainstay server for years

[rare python]

Killed by rampent duping and glitch abuse, resulting in a broken economy, allowed by staff who did not know what they were doing, ran by an owner who had moved on

[golden gust]

Yea, that's the joyous thing which killed many of the servers I did stuff for

their player base was fairly solid considering for the game type

[warm anchor]

I don’t get duping and how it is fun

[worthy geode]

a lot of server admins seem to lack a basic understand of how economy works, there are sooo many servers with extreme inflation

[golden gust]

solid 20 on even a lul, 100 odd during the correct events; downfall was is that the owners lost interest and generally just back-hand managed everything into death and handed too much power over to their friends...

[warm anchor]

People praise those who found dupes and breaks servers and it’s honestly toxic af

[golden gust]

Well, duping and earning stuff at the time is fun

then they get all that they want, run up the baltop, get bored and leave

tight control over the economy was a BIG thing for us in terms of keeping players active

[warm anchor]

My type of server are those that build stuff and have a community you know like ||gura and holo EN and JP server ||

[golden gust]

keeping on top of the server shop pricing, etc

[rare python]

I've never been too fond of Vanilla Minecraft, that's why I don't get the hype around the new features. That's why that server was interesting to me, it was not vanilla at all, it was a Space Movecraft server, I remember flying 48k block ships around, it was fun.

[golden gust]

Server went through various resets, but, for our server it kinda worked so long as the reset didn't take too long as they generally game when people where lul'ing out anyways

[rare python]

I think I still have a screenshot of the dreadnought the star trek faction I was in had built.

[rare python]

3 of them lined up, they were accidentally one of the best ships ever designed on the server at the time.

[golden gust]

so, new life; players knowing one another and being friends was always good cos they'd come back on even after even the must clusterfuck of events in the RP world

Fun story is that there was this one town, which was generally being assholes and tryna wipe out every other town which formed, mainly to get revenge on a few peeps

[warm anchor]

Damn the scale of it is big if build by hand

[magic river]

Congress doesn't provide a way for the SEC to do those things via jury trial though afaik so it basically means the SEC has no enforcement power until/unless Congress passes a new law

[golden gust]

Eventually, they took out many of the towns, and so many of those people ended up all in one singular town

[worthy geode]

we always had a bunch of kids making a new faction with their classmates and then everyone else dunking on them because they were annoying kids

[golden gust]

said singular town ended up dick-stomping the arsehats, arsehats stopped playing until the next reset as they where so salty that they got their ass handed to them from their own actions, and, their actions kinda stoped many people playing cos of the constant threat of wars, etc

[warm anchor]

Block game drama best drama

[rare python]

There were a few ways ships were designed. Larger ships were either done mostly with WE or were based on a voxelisied (one in the screenshot was voxelisied).

[worthy geode]

Running a server with some sort of war system and watching them happen with all the drama is just the best content ever

[warm anchor]

I see. Still I struggle with large builds

[golden gust]

Straight up, we had this one dude on our staff team who was like, guy would show up and log in in the morning, spend like, sevaral hours making templates and generally just, felt slow af

guy would say sod it, he's going for a smoke, come back and just blast out spawns, dungeons, etc

(His car also became the centre of a murder scene, lol)

[worthy geode]

and then there are builders who rebuild the same city five times because they don't like how it looks, although it looked very good on the first try

[rare python]

Another 48k block ship we had built, complete with an interior, the ship felt huge when walking around in it

[worthy geode]

Space server sounds especially interesting with the new world height now

[rare python]

Oh it is

[worthy geode]

Although idk how well the client handles actually maxing it out

[golden gust]

oh god, we had some "good builders" who literally made the shittest spawn in existence

thing was about as barren as EterNitys hopes and dreams

[warm anchor]

Generate a structure with 1 stone block 1 air block alternating for a 500 by 500 structure

Watch the client shit itself

[golden gust]

literal wasteland with a few "twigs" as trees

[rare python]

I practically run a new version of the server, we run with a 384 block height limit, with negatives disabled because the code can't currently handle it

Who needs to handle negative block y levels when you can just disable them?

The worlds are designed by hand in worldpainter so there is no vanilla generation at all

[worthy geode]

I was thinking about making a space server back when 1.13 was up-to-date and I had some weird system that would teleport players to different worlds when they got close to 255 or 0, so you could actually explore vertically.
It even kinda worked

[rare python]

So we don't really need negatives

Also that code has amazing things like:

private val directionArray = arrayOf(
    BlockFace.EAST,
    BlockFace.WEST,
    BlockFace.SOUTH,
    BlockFace.NORTH,
    BlockFace.UP,
    BlockFace.DOWN
)

I have questions... why isn't this a set, and more importantly, why is it not an enum set?

[golden gust]

order

probs

[rare python]

Its used twice in a way where order is not important...

[golden gust]

I mean, unless it's just doing a "contains" type thing, it's somewhat common for stuff using blocks to end up with stuff like that

[rare python]

I mean the horrors of the code just don't end

[golden gust]

o.O

Okay, we go back to what I said about kotlin devs

[worthy geode]

thats kinda what you needed to do before tags existed

[golden gust]

well, yea

but

ext

[rare python]

I mean yes, a lot of this code dates back to at least 1.10 to my knowledge.

Allthough my own code is not exactly free from horrors...

class LiveMap: JavaPlugin(), Listener, HttpHandler, Runnable {

Except this is experimental code, i'll clean it up before this actually gets used...

[worthy geode]

thats what I always say and then it ends up in production code for several years

[golden gust]

refactoring go brrr

[worthy geode]

#admin-announcements 👀

[golden gust]

[rare python]

Ayy my suggestion is actually happening :)

[worthy geode]

separate channel for GH commits so they don't get lost in #paper-github ?

or is it an actual, hand-written changelog? lol

[obsidian moon]

PAPERMC YOU ARE AMAZING!

[foggy silo]

Contributors can’t post 😔

[obsidian moon]

I had a world that was lagging really badly in single player (super unplayable fps, and mobs were lagging many ticks behind)

PaperMC fixed it after I uploaded it to aternos

[foggy silo]

The magic of paper optimizations 🙂

[obsidian moon]

how do you do your magic??

this papermc is awesome

[wraith trail]

Semi hand written changeling, details still being worked out

[foggy silo]

Rats I guess

[golden gust]

eeeerrrrrr

[foggy silo]

Are these written by the developer team?

[golden gust]

gdi

[rare python]

make it an announcement channel thingy so I can follow it in my server

[golden gust]

mcdev bein dum, I wanted to create a fabric project and it's not populating stuff

[worthy geode]

then an announcement channel would really make sense

[wraith trail]

Can add contributors likely, it was something I proposed a while ago but that discussion died quickly. Was just recently brought back up and done. Haven't worked out all details, but likely will only be new features/apis, or major bugfixes. So not one message for every commit

[foggy silo]

I really wish searching was nicer with acronyms 😅

[golden gust]

god damn it

[foggy silo]

Ahh that would explain it, thanks x)

Just had to make sure you won’t talking about gasoline direct injection….

[foggy silo]

Awesome. I’d most likely be glad to make a changelog video/photos of stuff like my entity api. Especially for stuff like that it’s pretty useful.

[worthy geode]

that seems useful

[potent wedge]

I feel its mostly rather forced most of the time, like a quarter of the servers ive played all either go to waste or become indecisive and cant decide if they are payed or not (and lose all their playerbase)

[warm anchor]

I mean that’s normal

Most server don’t survive pass 1 year

[spare venture]

well most servers are just vanilla or vanilla + a random collection of public plugins that every other server has

doesnt help

[warm anchor]

I mean don’t get my wrong vanilla with public plugin will work

They just need to build a community around it

Without it, it will fail 100% of the time without monetize it

[spare venture]

people get bored with vanilla very fast and then move to vanilla server #123425634

[grand pewter]

yeah I'd say for a standard vanilla/semi-vanilla server you just have to have a player base that sticks

what I've kind of noticed over the years is a much larger proportion of the community that stays has invested in it heavily in some way

for a vanilla server there's not much in the way of that, donation perks are kind of an easy way to introduce that, or also something that rewards players who have remained in the community for a long time (e.g. giving out roles)

having a highly unique server goes a long way too but obviously a lot more effort

[turbid oar]

most people get bored of servers like that

The only way to maintain a playerbase with that kind of server. You have to be famous in some sort of way

[grand pewter]

not saying it's easy, and also generally not huge communities

[turbid oar]

I have a smp but its soo dead xD

because I been getting way to busy 🥲

[grand pewter]

main point I was trying to make is it is possible to hold a community on a vanilla server, generally the group that stays for a long time are super heavily invested into it

which is not going to be a huge number -> not going to be a sustainably large community

but possible

[golden gust]

Big thing is that players need stuff to do and a reason to stay

[turbid oar]

lol I suck at that

[grand pewter]

yea

[golden gust]

SMP itself is far from an ideal situation in many respects, you need to build something around it

[turbid oar]

I am a mod on one smp and they try to do there best with doing events and etc xD

[potent wedge]

I remember there was YouTuber that started a little server and did a few large events on it for videos (like 100+ people) and it had a really good player base but I was very unlucky so didn't advance very far on the server. There was like 5 people (inc me) that played it weekly. it used to be like 50+ but that changed when a base everyone stayed at got griefed. However these 5 people didn't go down that way and they moved far away to another village but closed off to special invites. They then kept base hopping because it was never quite the same and the server died off and the YouTuber never got around to making another video to revive it (despite multiple promises, he was even rather active)

After that I joined another one, this was by a bed wars YouTuber (no idea how I found em) and I was a farmer and gave lots of items to new people but the server went to twitch subs only (I think it was that the whole time but he purged everyone who wasn't) and without realising he killed the server

Me and the people in the "town" had built a massive wall but we were also limited in growth by the wall as I was the only one to dare to build beyond the wall, this town went through many misfortunes and died in the end, the server reset after rasseru realized his mistake in resetting the whitelist but everything the players worked for wad gone

[jagged egret]

there should be a secret code you can say to a tech support agent to be immediately transferred to a higher level support person

[spare venture]

why would the higher level support person want more work

[potent wedge]

Yeah there's the lower one for a reason

[spare venture]

also that would just... ruin the whole point of having tiered support

[worthy geode]

the secret code is having other means of contact outside of the ticket system

[worthy geode]

imo the best way is a system that encourages players to interact with each other.
content provided by the server will eventually run out, you can't produce content faster than players playing it without making it extremely grindy. and events and stuff only help a bit.
Thats why I really like PvP servers, even though they create lots of drama

[potent wedge]

So if I call them by their personal numbers I can get better service?

[worthy geode]

I mean, that works for games for me

[potent wedge]

Lmao I just show up at their house to get free people, chains are an issue though sometimes I need to use bike locks

[worthy geode]

free people
that sounds like slavery to me

[spare venture]

yes the keys seem to be a combination of content, player interaction, community management, and something to keep them invested

[jagged egret]

no chad it's so the people who actually know what they're doing don't have to sit through like 3 levels of "have you tried turning it off and on again"

[grand pewter]

the problem is just that there are going to be people who should be turning it off and on again that skip to higher level support

thats why ideally the low level support recognizes if you need better support and then transfers you rather than it being a free ticket

[spare venture]

i would be a big fan if airlines had customer support

dont really understand why the government hasnt told them to figure it out, 8 hour wait times are bullshit

are airlines even profitable or is it entirely propped up by gov't

[worthy geode]

they don't? my mom worked customer support for an airline for quite some time, good to know she wasn't actually doing anything

[golden gust]

depends on the airline, etc, like literally any other company out there

[spare venture]

every time i have ever called an airline i have gotten a 2+ hour wait

[warm anchor]

o.O

[spare venture]

didnt mean to belittle anyone, i think they severely lack enough customer support

[worthy geode]

no worries, I understand what you meant. its definitely one of the areas were they try to save money the most and there are also just too many people with really dumb complaints

[void void]

@ pop4959#1781 you are chunky dev right? Seen that name before

[warm anchor]

he is

[grand pewter]

i hop around a bit but yes

[void void]

Nice

[lost crater]

ah darn forgot to add my disco on the oc contribution comment - still a way to get the discord rank?

[turbid oar]

You got to at a staff

A certain one I forgot who 💀

@lost crater

[lost crater]

thanks - not too important for now to at someone hehe

[turbid oar]

@mental meadow

^

[void void]

Anyone aware of any teamfights plugin, like a 3v3 ?

[mental meadow]

Done :3

[ashen cliff]

Update Discord on Android.
Try to open it: APP NOT INSTALLED.
Open it from the app store.
Opens, dark theme (amoled theme gone), cache fully cleared, yet still logged in.
Thank you Discord?