general

[tropic flame]

you don't need the entirety of vscode for that

[turbid oar]

depends what computer you have to :(

I have a dumb hp laptop with 12gb of ram

and my storage is full

but that is besides the point xD

[tropic flame]

12GB ram? weak, subtract 10 and that's my pc

[magic river]

vscode is surprisingly efficient

[potent wedge]

I remember accidently making c:// a git repository and visual studio was like "you have 18k changes"

[magic river]

It's easy to make native editors with less functionality that are slower than vscode

[turbid oar]

😵‍💫

I want a 64gb of ram pc

[merry talon]

it's a shining example of a proper electron app

[tropic flame]

i wish I was joking

[magic river]

RAM is the one thing vscode uses a lot of

[merry talon]

discord is pretty good too despite how much people like to hate on it

[turbid oar]

facts

[tropic flame]

vscode does it better imo

[magic river]

On a system with 2GB RAM you can't even a compile a Paper plugin, can you?

[tropic flame]

if you ask me why, idk how to explain it

but it does

just feels faster

[turbid oar]

no...

[potent wedge]

Paging exists

[tropic flame]

yes I can

[turbid oar]

0/

[tropic flame]

why wouldn't I?

Maven is pretty lightweight lmfao

[magic river]

Well, I guess maybe a regular plugin would fit

[turbid oar]

my cousins old laptop runs by 3 and it has a hard time doing crap

[magic river]

paperweight wouldn't

[tropic flame]

oh absolutely

well, unless I mess with the JVM args

[merry talon]

windows won't even run on 2GB will it?

[potent wedge]

Get linux

[tropic flame]

because by default it will consume 4GB and run multiple daemons

i can turn all that down/off though

[potent wedge]

I think 10 can but not 11 and definitely 7

[tropic flame]

7 runs on 2gb ram lmfao

[magic river]

Windows 10 increased the system requirements throughout the years

You can't look at the launch requirements

[turbid oar]

I have ubuntu LTS so I am good

[potent wedge]

Get Ubuntu server :Chad:

[turbid oar]

I don't want to switch over :(

[magic river]

Ubuntu server isn't really a thing

It's just a different list of packages installed by default

[tropic flame]

I've set up a Forge workspace (which implies decompiling Minecraft) by forcing Gradle to only use 512MB ram and no multiple daemons... and going into safe mode

[merry talon]

its just headless ubuntu right lol

[tropic flame]

so Windows wouldn't use more than it needed to run while I did the thing

[merry talon]

you aren't a chad these days unless you use silverblue or something

even arch doesn't cut it

[magic river]

That reminds me, the main reason I gave up on Silverblue was because usermode docker would work and I thought it was due to the docker-in-docker (more or less) setup required due to toolbox

[tropic flame]

with paperweight my only problem is how it assumes you're compiling on Linux so it hits the file path limit

and i can't do anything about it

I guess "write once run anywhere" went out the window 😔

[magic river]

I still have no idea how I made it work on Ubuntu, apparently I flipped some config and forgot about it

[spare venture]

chads use windows

[magic river]

On regular Fedora usermode docker didn't work either, I ended up just adding myself to the docker group

[tropic flame]

but otherwise i could probably make it run and have it finish

although slowly...

[potent wedge]

I'm sure rust can "write once run everywhere"

[magic river]

Which means via docker I have root access without needing to put in a password

[potent wedge]

Chads make their own

[magic river]

So long security

[merry talon]

docker in docker gives me flashbacks

[tropic flame]

if the binary is not universal then it's not WORA

it can be WOCA, though

[merry talon]

to dealing with docker in docker in kubernetes

[tropic flame]

Write Once Compile Anywhere

[potent wedge]

Well you can easily change the target for arm and 32 bit and linux

[merry talon]

sounds like podman might fix your issues here maybe?

[tropic flame]

still not WORA 😛

[magic river]

No?

I actually tried that, podman wouldn't work either and there is no daemon to piggyback root access on

[spare venture]

8gb ram is like $35, i can’t even imagine trying to run anything on anything lower when it costs peanuts for that

[magic river]

For some reason on Fedora I have to be root to use containers

I dunno, I probably broke something importing most of my $HOME from a several year old Ubuntu install

[tropic flame]

want to have a look? search for "HP dx5150 microtower"

bought it somewhere online for 50€ in 2016 after having my laptop stolen

might not be the exact specs but even those that are there are potato

[magic river]

Wow that's DDR1

[tropic flame]

yes and no DDR2 support

[magic river]

4GB max

[tropic flame]

also the 64-bit processor it comes with cannot run 64-bit Windows 8.1 or higher 😄

it's lacking one obscure instruction

[spare venture]

you couldn’t pay me 50 euro to use that

[magic river]

https://www.felixcloutier.com/x86/cmpxchg8b:cmpxchg16b.html isn't obscure 😄

[spare venture]

would be a good laptop for watching movies when traveling tho

[tropic flame]

idk, it did to me when the compatibility assistant for Windows 10 simply told me my CPU wasn't supported without any explanation

it took me some actual time to figure out

[magic river]

128-bit atomic compare and swap is a pretty important thing to have

[tropic flame]

I'll be honest, throw the word "atomic" into the mix and I get confused, I don't know why it's important

but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I could theoretically use 32-bit Windows 10 though, it does not require that thing

[magic river]

I feel like I could find a local place that would just give me a computer newer than that just so they don't have to deal with ewaste recycling/disposal

Or find one in a dumpster behind an office building

[tropic flame]

I'm making plans for this year to have a new machine

just need one last star to align

then the only purpose this pc will have is to play DVDs because it does have a handy DVD-RW drive

[tropic flame]

but hey I also find it awkward (read: stupid) that MS decided to add that requirement in what was practically a service pack for Windows 8

(8.1)

they could've just waited for Windows 10 for that

[magic river]

Maybe try to find a used Intel Chromebook and run crostini on it? Storage would be tight but there are ways to manage that

[merry talon]

you would have a better time renting a $5 vps and putting windows on it lol

[tropic flame]

you're assuming my computer doesn't get its fans trying to fly with a VNC type of program

my school gave me remote access to one of their computers so I could work on it

with AnyDesk

and it... runs

kind of frustratingly but

yeah

[magic river]

So, if Tether had even a sizable amount of the USD people gave them still why would it ever depeg?

Wouldn't they just take that USD and buy up all the "cheap" USDT and pocket the extra?

Price dips you buy it up and make money, price goes up you issue more

I mean, they admit they don't have it all in USD but last time I saw any supposed specifics they still claimed to have billions in USD at least

[spare venture]

is tether crypto

[magic river]

Tether is USDT, Bitfinex's "stablecoin"

Supposed to be backed 1:1 by USD so $1 = 1 Tether but they've since admitted that isn't true although they claim it's all backed by something

Backed by a mix of fiat and IOUs from Bitfinex as far as I can see

[spare venture]

so you can always cash out

[magic river]

The idea is to let people trade with/around USD even on markets and exchanges that don't comply with US financial industry regulations

[spare venture]

sounds like venmo but crypto

[magic river]

Right, it's supposed to be you give them $1, they give you 1 Tether. Then later you give them 1 Tether and they give you $1.

But since like half of their money, according to their own claims, is in "commercial paper" (unsecured loans, IOUs basically) they can't do that

[spare venture]

not shocking, plenty of fiat is just made up too

[magic river]

Fractional reserve banking is a thing, yes, but that's usually done by people who know what they're doing

And insured

[spare venture]

yeah, i would never put a cent into tether

[magic river]

And prone to government bailouts if it fails past the point of the insurance

[warm anchor]

crypto needs to drop more. Let it burn

[spare venture]

the thing about crypto dropping is it has impacts on other things, and whenever anything crashes and burns the rich usually get out pretty scot free and some poor sap gets caught holding a bag

[warm anchor]

good lesson to not be so stupid

[spare venture]

it really is a shame that this shit has been going on for so long and is like.. not getting shut down

like wtf is this shit

[merry talon]

i mean they designed the thing to be decentralized so they can scam people without getting shut down

its genius, really

[spare venture]

that was 40 billion in market cap at peak

yeah i wonder if/how the law will ever change for that

[warm anchor]

The market cap is really inflated though

because things like USDT is creating money out of thin air without real backing and the scammers of the space just exchange them into other coins and thus bringing the entire market "up"

[spare venture]

lmfao

[warm anchor]

You can read into that because it was the dumbest thing people say "let USDT die, I will be fine, I dont own that" but they fail to realize the entire thing is connected and the whole fucking trend is a big scam

[spare venture]

the more i hear about crypto, the less i like it

[potent wedge]

It has real security though

[warm anchor]

[spare venture]

ya i would love to put my money in something that can drop 30% overnight

and backed by nothing

[potent wedge]

Roblox stock

[spare venture]

no i’m talking about a currency not a security

[warm anchor]

if you own stock of a public company, you can cast vote to direct the company,
if you own houses, you own a physical good people actually need.
if you own crpyto, you really own nothing but the chance the next idiot will buy it from you with real money

[merry talon]

its just gambling

[warm anchor]

but worse, atleast casino gives you odds

[potent wedge]

Yeah if you own a house only an apocalypse can take it down, if you own stocks a decision can take it down if you own crypto your at the mercy of the gods

[spare venture]

i wonder what the timeline is like where crypto was never a thing

https://tenor.com/view/utopia-gif-21647156

[warm anchor]

more like this

[spare venture]

lmao

[warm anchor]

my local craiglist has so many mining rig on sale

the crpyto bro need to sell out to pay rents

[potent wedge]

I whonder how many GPU's are for crypto

[spare venture]

a lot

at least gpu prices have been steadily going down for a while

[warm anchor]

beofer this thing, highend GPU is really only used for gaming

and maybe 1% for high level computing stuff

[spare venture]

with 4000 series nvdia coming out i’d imagine they’ll go down even more

[potent wedge]

I just want a graphics card that can play Roblox VR at more than 15 FPS

[spare venture]

this is a minecraft discord at least make your jokes about minecraft 😂

[warm anchor]

[spare venture]

of course to run vanilla at 30 fps you need a super computer

[warm anchor]

that's actually true. idk why java even have view distance over 10

because it;s litearlly impossible to drive over that

[spare venture]

you can’t do much more than 10 on a server because peoples internet in general is so bad their bandwidth can’t handle it

[red timber]

this is poggers

i tripled my 10 bucks even when luna is at its lowest point

imagine the mayhem if you could short it now...

[warm anchor]

Wow sharing is caring!

[spare venture]

i wonder how much of that was real money

[red timber]

aand it's dropping into abyss again

[warm anchor]

Reading crypto sub rn is a real fun experience

[red timber]

terra sub was literally suicide watch some time ago

[warm anchor]

And then you have this guy

[red timber]

total morons

[warm anchor]

reads all the news decide that he should buy

[red timber]

so it dropped down to 0.00024 and now pumps up

[spare venture]

well yeah! it’s the perfect opportunity to lose all your money!

[red timber]

time to put in another 10 bucks

if i can make 50 bucks out of thin air like this i'll go and have an expensive meal today

time to stop eating ramen for a day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4UoiE84mdA

[warm anchor]

[pale river]

$0.0002641

[red timber]

0.00030335 atm

[warm anchor]

Up 10%™️

[pale river]

it would be funny to buy 3000 luna with a dollar

[peak ginkgo]

What's Lunas network?

Figured it out gonna buy 3000 dollars with 8 matic

[pale river]

we aren't google

[spare venture]

/google How can I reset my MacBook

nice discord slash commands

[upbeat falcon]

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[peak ginkgo]

"daily"

i use it from like 9-5 to work

That's what I do, I use https://pop.system76.com for non work stuff but it's also a complete dev environment because it's linux lol

I'm on Windows now because I was playing Halo

I'll grab my mac and tell you what I have, give me a sec

the device itself sits in a vertical stand receiving power from it's magsafe charger

since it has an HDMI port, one of my monitors is plugged directly into it

the USB C port under that HDMI port is connected to a USB C to A dongle thing and it provides power to half of a switcher

hopefully that makes sense

the switcher is connected by USB A to my PC and my MacBook

When I want my mouse and kb on the mac I press a button and wait about half a second

then to get it back i just press the same button

The hub feeds it my webcam, mouse, and keyboard

LOL

let me connect it to my monitor again idisconnected it ofr that screenshot

i have abig screen so it doesn't take any more space than it does on windows imo

[vernal moth]

That seems overkill

If you big into gaming, rather get something with fast refresh rate than waste money on that

[ashen cliff]

Do you need 5k on your 🍎?

[green edge]

https://dev.incorpo.ro/

Advice on the design of the page?

and overall structure

[wet storm]

I don't get a point of portfolio projects, like, if you don't enjoy a project you make but you make it just for "oh, person X made cool project Y", then don't do it.

[ashen cliff]

Just commit to the Nvidia driver and make sure the gate keepers don't eat you alive.

[wet storm]

And... In my (weird) opinion "custom X" things in plugins are bad practice, I mean, that's why mods exist, you can make every additional content you want with them, personally, I had a really bad experience on plugin projects where people tried to do custom vanilla-like things with them, yeah, on the first steps it doesn't look terrible until your project grows and you need to add more content for your players...

[green edge]

Mod installation currently presents high churn. Luckily, new versions came with support for integrating with vanilla datapacks, which can be used to create "modded content" without too much effort from users

Eg: originrealms

however, proper mods that require forge or fabric are too much for many players to handle

[wet storm]

I mean, a few people actually tried to make mods for their servers, like, if you make a fancy thing with mod which will be a lot better than origin realms, (and make fancy things with mods is easier than making so with plugins) players will play your server

[haughty bear]

it's a lot more impressive to make something using plugins + an RP though

with a mod, you could run doom inside minecraft

bring back log4shell!!

[glass crag]

Not requiring mods is a much lower barrier to entry to your server

[wet storm]

A secret: players don't care about realization of something, they care only about an experience

[haughty bear]

well if we're talking in terms of experience then:

Not requiring mods is a much lower barrier to entry to your server
it's a much nicer experience if you don't have to download anything *manually

[wet storm]

I mean, we actually need try to do so at least, I have plans about making a really fancy mod for a server, and measure how much online will it has

[mental meadow]

Can i post the spoutcraft logo again

I played on a RPG server back then and ngl it was pretty epic with custom music, effects and stuff like that

[wet storm]

Wtf youtube recommends me https://youtu.be/T2Qu7cgwJmw

[tawdry hazel]

It's warning you

[sturdy halo]

American moment

[lavish compass]

@warm anchor weeb ?

[wet storm]

no weeb behaviour in general.

[mental meadow]

[golden gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W_Br8ZFss8

[wet storm]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... I am in awful situation:

1. It is ye olde forge 1.12.2, no support at all.
2. I am porting "enhanced celestials" mod
3. I understand so a few things about rendering
4. I need to write a mixin to change a moon texture color.
5. counting is fun.

[quasi valley]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioRhanH4xmE

[ashen cliff]

moon texture color.
Cant you just do that with a resource pack/texture replacement?

[golden gust]

||pure, unadultered, kink||

[wet storm]

I have 6 different moon colors and it'll be easier to do it on runtime via rendering rather than loading additional textures. And also some moons need to be larger than usual

Let's have fun writing mixins for bufferedbuilder params I guess

[mental meadow]

I can excuse killing tohru but killing kanna is too much

Kenny I sentence you to suffer

[quasi valley]

[warm anchor]

[void void]

Any ffmpeg maestros here?

i wanna convert mp3 + image to an mp4 video. i checked tutorials on internet, but, as result, video becomes very fat

[golden gust]

can't you do that with album art?

requires the player to support it, but, adding images is like

what do you think the bulk of a video file is

[void void]

i tried to add album art in vlc and then convert that to video, that didnt work =(

[golden gust]

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18710992/how-to-add-album-art-with-ffmpeg

It's not a video, is the thing

album art metadata is metadata

adding an image to the video is literally gonna create a video with the image in every frame, etc

[void void]

could i just upload mp3 with album art on youtube

[golden gust]

So, yea, it's gonna inflate the size

[void void]

can't you make a video with like, 0.000001 fps

[golden gust]

Like, you can tweak stuff like the FPS, stuff like the key framing, etc

[void void]

NVM seems that i found what i need

90 mb from 60

oookay i got almost ideal result there's 2 minutes of silence in the end

idk why

framerate?

[smoky cloud]

Implying one bullet would even dent Kanna

[native wolf]

update to the latest build

that one was fixed a long time ago

[tropic flame]

what do you mean? even excusing killing Tohru is a war crime 😠

lmao

[golden gust]

a necessary evil

[tropic flame]

nah

it ain't even necessary

[golden gust]

That's just like, your opinion, maaan

[tropic flame]

but fr tho, what's the issue with her?

speaking as someone who watched the two seasons and absolutely loved it

[golden gust]

I mean, I was just memeing #2 gal

[wet storm]

Any tea with milk enjoyers here?

[charred sleet]

milk no tea enjoyer

[wide chasm]

Yes, I really like tea with milk.

[vagrant marlin]

i am a milk enjoyer without the tea

fuck tea 🖕

[wet storm]

I used to drink it long time ago, and I was a fan of this drink, but now I drink usual tea and cacao mostly

Cancel twitch programmers then

[vernal moth]

Context matters

I really don't understand why that's so hard to understand

Like, swastikas are banned in Germany, but we have them in history books, in art, in movies, in video games, because surprise, it's ok in context

[vagrant marlin]

just because i wrote the n-word to a chatfilter list doesnt mean that i have been cancelled

because i havent been cancelled

[vernal moth]

The n-word stuff in particular is really funny to me, its the same like calling Voldemort the one who shouldn't be named

[vagrant marlin]

the meaning behind what you are doing it for matters

[vernal moth]

It's childish

But whatever

[vagrant marlin]

i dont even have a chatfilter enabled in my server currently

havent seen anyone break the rules so its pointless

[vernal moth]

We are trying out discords new chat filter right now

They flag fuck

[vagrant marlin]

hentai

thats blocked in the spigot discord

🙄

[vernal moth]

Cancelled

We have it set to report only

[twin lagoon]

can't be bothered to set up the new chat filter thing

[vagrant marlin]

why is hentai even detected

such a weird word to flag

[vernal moth]

Hentai is porn

[wet storm]

Yiff report wen

[vagrant marlin]

yeah but is saying porn blocked?

[vernal moth]

All kind of words related to porn are blocked

[vagrant marlin]

damn

[vernal moth]

This is a platform for children

[vagrant marlin]

the thing is, the children here should be teenagers

and teenagers are into that shit 😲

[vernal moth]

So? Porn is 18+ in most countries

By law

[vagrant marlin]

yeah, but the word isnt illegal

[vernal moth]

I don't think 13 year olds should watch porn

No, lol

[vagrant marlin]

at 13 you should have a crush at best

nothing more

[vernal moth]

You should be old enough to realize that porn isn't the real world, that's why I said that

People in porn are actors, they act

If you can understand that, you can watch porn

[vagrant marlin]

you can watch it under a blanket with your phone now

so obviously

[vernal moth]

But some kids see porn as replacement for sex ed, cause sex ed in school failed

That's bad

[vagrant marlin]

sex ed is probably the most important subject in school

[golden gust]

I mean, context matters to everything

[mental meadow]

oh god

its #general time again

[vagrant marlin]

🤓

[wet storm]

I doubt that at least one russian school has sex ed

[vernal moth]

Thankfully I got good sex ed, lol

[golden gust]

ofc, we also live in an era where people are looking for any reason to be flustered, and so, ofc, you'd be a moron to be tryna test a spam filter by using suck words in public

[vagrant marlin]

russia doesnt have an issue with overpopulation, y'all running out of it

[vernal moth]

That just makes everything so much easier

[mental meadow]

[golden gust]

overpopulation is a none issue

[vagrant marlin]

thats probably one of the reasons it doesnt exist there

[mental meadow]

my doubt was at mini

[golden gust]

Literally, it's easy

[mental meadow]

not at overpopulation

[golden gust]

1. tilt population into STEM fields such as programming

[vernal moth]

I genuinely got really good sex ed tho aurora, my teacher was amazing

[golden gust]

2. Give males in stem fields thigh high socks

[wet storm]

One of the issues is HIV

[mental meadow]

was there anything besides cishet stuff? if not, then it was not good sex ed

[vernal moth]

What is cishet? Lol

[wide chasm]

I'm guessing cis hetero.

[vernal moth]

They thought us about our bodies and how to protect ourselves and important stuff like that

[golden gust]

https://www.tiktok.com/@f1nn5terclips/video/7095728780966104326

[vernal moth]

Cat pls

[vagrant marlin]

😃

[golden gust]

our sex ed was awesome

the ladies got to put condoms on lettuce

We, er, had to figure that out ourselves down the line

[vagrant marlin]

sounds good

[vernal moth]

Lol we at least had wood

[mental meadow]

the amount of schools ordering our safe sex pamphlet because they have queer students and have no idea how to answer any question besides "use condom" is baffling

[vernal moth]

Well, at least they get that message out

[vagrant marlin]

want to get children? use condom (with hole)

[vernal moth]

That sends us way ahead of the US for example 😂

[mental meadow]

yes but relying on a donation funded nonprofit to educate your students for you is not the ideal option imo lol

if we at least got some money for it it would be nice

but SPD says no

[golden gust]

blame the education curriculum which is slow as balls at moving on anything, it's not on the schools here

[vernal moth]

Schools have budget for that kinda stuff already

Teachers can buy material for school

[mental meadow]

Yes, but that doesn't work for donations

[vernal moth]

Well, then sell stuff

If only that is the issue

[mental meadow]

then kids who need that information because their teachers don't buy stuff won't be able to get it

[vernal moth]

Can post PDFs online and sell prints

Most teachers in sex ed are busy popping condom balloons anyways so they don't even got time for more than the basics

[golden gust]

schools are given a set list of talking points in which they need to cover within a limited set of time, if you really wanna change stuff you need to push higher up

[mental meadow]

yeah ik

[vernal moth]

We had 16 years of conservative power, good luck with progressive education programs, lol

[mental meadow]

biology teacher at my old school asked me and a friend if we could like come in to one sex ed lesson and answer questions about trans people
which was
interesting

[vernal moth]

And the current more progressive coalition is busy fighting other fires

[charred sleet]

i dont know about germany, but in the UK this would probably not go down very well which is a shame

[vernal moth]

I mean, that's prolly the quickest way to fight any kind of misconceptions

If you can handle all the shit these teenagers ask that is

[mental meadow]

yeah, thats why I did it, but like, still weird

[golden gust]

create a blog

[vernal moth]

Like, for many this is a really abstract concept

[mental meadow]

also adults ask way weirder questions don't worry

[golden gust]

link towards merch, and look into tryna drive messaging up the chain

[mental meadow]

https://queer-lexikon.net/category/blog/

merch soon ™️

[charred sleet]

xenforo?

[mental meadow]

I wish

wordpress

[golden gust]

Like, if you want information out there, shamefully, it's gonna have to come out of your own funding until people can push the need to expand information outwards

[charred sleet]

ahah

[twin lagoon]

why would you create a blog with xenforo

[charred sleet]

just gave me those vibes

[mental meadow]

we're currently working on a blog post where we used FragDenStaat to ask every states ministry of education if they have any information for teachers on how to react to a student coming out
because some teachers are like "no, I can't use your new name until I talked with your parents, those are the rules" and stuff like that

[vernal moth]

Haha

[mental meadow]

so far the answers haven't been really helpful

[twin lagoon]

create a blogpost about your country rainbow index ranking when

[mental meadow]

we're working us down to the individual counties and schools now

[vestal jasper]

@twin lagoon uwu

[mental meadow]

it's fun

[twin lagoon]

uwu

[golden gust]

thing is that theres been several dozen times where schools have basically outed their students in such shitty cases

[vernal moth]

Frag den Staat is a great platform
For non Germans, it's a platform that allows Germans to file information freedom act requests online easily and publicly

[twin lagoon]

something like that exists here too

except it can take up to a year to get an answer

and then the answer will likely be censored 50% of the time

[vernal moth]

Well our information freedom act has time limits

[golden gust]

overarching guidelines there is generally a huge massive clusterfuck in which either way can cause more harm than good in both cases

[mental meadow]

yeah but no one respects those

[vernal moth]

And frag den Staat repeapatly sue the gov over it

[golden gust]

Same here in the UK but companies can extend their deadlines, and pretend that they where busy, or just completely misinterperete the question or basically hide behind dubious exemptions

[mental meadow]

completely misinterpret the question is what they love to do

[vernal moth]

https://fragdenstaat.de/info/ueber/klagen/

They win most lawsuits

[mental meadow]

they do, but most of the time besides a "sorry, here's the stuff you wanted" nothing happens

[vernal moth]

Which is still great

[mental meadow]

sure, but costs a lot of money

also for fucks sake the stupid paypal button broke again

[mental meadow]

I'm sure xenforo wouldnt do that

[golden gust]

I mean, XF as a blogging platform would be weird

idk if they even have any actual blogging tools, probs do, but

I mean, I guess, at least it wouldn't be WP

[turbid oar]

You can design your own blog and link it to xenforo possibly. I never used xenforo though.

[twin lagoon]

they do have some blogging tools, sort of

[foggy veldt]

Isn’t that what the article thingy is for sorta

[upbeat falcon]

command line - How to display file properties via terminal? - Ask ...

https://askubuntu.com/questions/355360/how-to-display-file-properties-via-terminal

Oct 8, 2013 ... Use the stat command to know the details of the file. If file name is file_name , use stat file_name.

About 46,700,000 results (0.36 seconds)

[wet storm]

That worked!!!!!

I don't really understand what did I just do, but it works

[stoic eagle]

Is this fast

[strong vector]

basically yes

[warm anchor]

The number there is kinda pointless.

[spare venture]

changed the sky color?

[wet storm]

before / after. I saw that things which use texture + color use DefaultVertexFormats.POSITION_TEX_COLOR for bufferbuilder.begin() method, and tex() prob for texture scale and color() for colors, and it worked (I did overwrite of this method just for checking manually, I'll write proper mixin for this)

I am starting understand how rendering works a bit...

but, the next question is... what black magic should I do for writing a proper mixin for it...

Prob some Inject somehow using a local variable with a Slice between INVOKEVIRTUALs of tex() and endVertex() methods

[void void]

hi i remember there was there was a plugin which allowed to run vm machines in minecraft using itemframes and maps

does anyone have the github link

[still sorrel]

vm machines

Smh my head

[magic river]

lol, they put a statue of Margaret Thatcher on a 10 ft pedestal and surrounded it with a fence, still took just hours after it went up before people started fucking with it

[quasi valley]

why would someone put up a thatcher statue... now

could have just very subtly made it an iron lady

[magic river]

I was all in favour of a well attended public cremation of Margaret Thatcher... But then she went and died and I lost interest

The person who made the statue tried to get them to put it up in Westminster but that was rejected

So they put it up in her hometown instead

[silver nexus]

I had a peanut butter and jelly sandwich… pretty basic.

Needed something quick since I have a geometry project due tomorrow I hadn’t started.

[ashen cliff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OfeswjPZuw

[surreal adder]

are aikar's java flags (https://aikar.co/mcflags.html) good to use client side?

also is the information in this repository good or not? i am not sure if i should be using graalvm client side or not with these arguments https://github.com/Youded-byte/Java-Optimisations-MC

[golden gust]

The flags are optimised for the server, they may work on the client but are generally not catered to it

Graal is also hit and miss in some areas, so I doubt that you'll see much in terms of perf gains

[surreal adder]

yeah it's been very hit and miss in my testing

i will have to research more into it

[golden gust]

XX:G1HeapRegionSize=2M

Is probs not a good idea

[surreal adder]

yeah i changed that to 32M which is the minecraft launcher default

[warm anchor]

Client chock on rendering a lot more lol

So those fabric mod does wonders in that sense

[golden gust]

setting the GC time limit too low is often also just gonna let stuff compound up

I mean, it's just a hint but setting that too low is much more harmful vs setting it too high

[surreal adder]

it's mainly just about smoothing out stutters caused by chunks and stuff

[warm anchor]

Oh I see.

[floral mesa]

graalvm is a bandaid over existing problems, and usually is experimental

[ashen cliff]

ZGC on the client. 🛌

[warm anchor]

[golden gust]

oh god

[surreal adder]

it's hit and miss but it is only caused me one issue with one modpack in particular

[surreal adder]

cpu usage: 📈

[golden gust]

ZGC on ur nan

[ashen cliff]

Not if you have fast memory. 🛌

[golden gust]

There was actually work on a generational ZGC which might be kinda interesting

[surreal adder]

CL1 99999mhz

[floral mesa]

ive worked with people who swore on using graalvm, only to undermine them with adoptopenjdk after fixing some of their shit

[golden gust]

idk what the status of that or where it was going, etc

[surreal adder]

i am open minded, i am gonna be researching a lot once i get my new pc

it is not even like this stuff matters too too much client sided

i just kinda want to get the sort of best

[golden gust]

I mean, synthetic benchmarks go brrr

[floral mesa]

well graalvm does have some benefits, working more closely with other languages such as javascript and I think ruby in the same runtime

[golden gust]

Graal has some major wins in some areas, but it also has some major losses

[ashen cliff]

POV you just set random flags for 1.7.10 and they somehow work:

[surreal adder]

lmao

[golden gust]

oh god

krusic

[surreal adder]

i'll be mainly looking at 0.01% fps lows

[golden gust]

wtf

[surreal adder]

cuz average fps is doo doo

[golden gust]

Those "Fast" flags

[floral mesa]

but its just there are java devs who think anything that isnt stock hotspot is the best thing out there.

[golden gust]

IT HAS FAST IN IT!!!

[ashen cliff]

I mean, I get no spikes.

https://posili.me/i/tsLRkXDk-2022-05-15_22-54-43.png

[golden gust]

problem speaking to slavs is that you have no idea if they're serious or just drunk

[ashen cliff]

Very stable. ™️

[worthy geode]

so many fast methods its probably running away soon

[floral mesa]

meanwhile performance goes into the gutter and the server crashes constantly because they have no idea on leaving the server well the fuck alone.

[warm anchor]

Have you try putting every flag in existence

[surreal adder]

here's my flags for 1.7.10

idk if it is too good or not

it is mostly aikars flags

[ashen cliff]

That perma gen tho.

[surreal adder]

i need to test this

unused memory is wasted memory!!

[ashen cliff]

In my modded experience, asking Java to give me more code cache helped a lot.

[worthy geode]

what have the poor locks done to you that you need to eliminate them?

[surreal adder]

is it -XX:ReservedCodeCacheSize?

[ashen cliff]

It is.

[ashen cliff]

To be fair, that defaults to true.

[golden gust]

Tux also toyed with the max inlining too

[ashen cliff]

It does have diminishing returns with some mods.

[golden gust]

got some nice improvements apparently, cos mojang loves to have "helper" methods which call other methods which call other methods which call other methods, which call other methods, which then sets some field

[ashen cliff]

Best I can do it like 8000, but somewhere around 10000 it just shits itself.

[surreal adder]

i wonder if aikar's flags are simply making the cpu usage increase client side

idk how effective they would be client side

[golden gust]

well, as said, the flags are tuned for the server

The client does follow a good chunk of the same patterns, but, not as bad, outside of single player

[surreal adder]

yeah

[golden gust]

(even single player isn't gonna be as bad because of the 1 player)

[surreal adder]

i will research and test when i get my new pc, testing on my current pc could be a bit pointless cuz i could get different results on my new pc

[golden gust]

all you can really do is test it, I've often said that aikars flags are at best a starting block (but, they're probs the best starting point for the server, good enough for most servers if they don't wanna start tweaking, etc)

[surreal adder]

okay, thx

[tropic flame]

from my experience, OpenJ9 works fine for a modded 1.12.2 experience

but it's because I prefer lower ram usage over CPU usage

[spare venture]

why

[ashen cliff]

People do recommend it, but usually it's just due to the default flags change.

[tropic flame]

because I have low ram

[spare venture]

you can always get more ram, but good luck finding a better cpu than a 5950x

[tropic flame]

i don't have money for either

well, yet

[spare venture]

ram is cheaper than cpu

[ashen cliff]

https://hwbot.org/submission/4944051_oviz_hardware_lab_geekbench5___single_core_pentium_gold_g7400_2290_points

[surreal adder]

idc at all about memory usage

[tropic flame]

I love how the community just says "just buy better components" when you present "I can't buy a newer computer so I work with what I've got"

[surreal adder]

the memory i am gonna get is gonna be quite fast

[tropic flame]

OpenJ9 is what I've got and it works for the time

I said i don't have money yet

[surreal adder]

idk how it is for performance tho

memory usage is good on openj9 from what i have heard

but for fps, idk

[lament patio]

UserBenchmark approved

[ashen cliff]

I really want to get one of those CPUs. Sadly Intel fixed the "bug" in new steppings.

[tropic flame]

my framerate just ain't better because I lack a dedicated video card lol

but I'd say it's good

[ashen cliff]

What even is your current setup?

[tropic flame]

search for "HP dx5150 microtower"

[ashen cliff]

What CPU do you have?

[tropic flame]

but tl;Dr Athlon X64 X2 +3800 2GHz, onboard ATI graphics 128MB, 2GB ram

[ashen cliff]

Me_IRL: https://posili.me/i/TDqzkX7n-2022-05-15_23-10-52.png

[tropic flame]

"how do you play modded in this thing?" I never allocate more than a gig

[tropic flame]

is that what it shows when you search for the model i said?

or are those yours?

[ashen cliff]

Mine.

[tropic flame]

oh, i see

[ashen cliff]

Look at this cursed thing: https://hwbot.org/submission/3492645_kristjan.krusic_cpu_frequency_athlon_64_x2_4000_(brisbane)_3157.91_mhz

[tropic flame]

we talked about this just yesterday but my 64-bit CPU cannot run 64-bit Windows 8.1 and higher

because they added an obscure instruction as a requirement

https://www.felixcloutier.com/x86/cmpxchg8b:cmpxchg16b.html

[spare venture]

rtx 3070 starting to near $600

only $100 above msrp now

wonder how much its gonna drop to when 4000 series launches

[worthy geode]

*cries in 1070 *

[spare venture]

ya well i paid $600 for a 1660 super, so

[tropic flame]

seems better than mine

also, DDR2

my motherboard apparently does not support DDR2

[ashen cliff]

Do you know where I found that CPU?

[tropic flame]

where?

[ashen cliff]

Someone dumped a bunch of computer trash onto my neighbors field.

[tropic flame]

my ram sticks are 1x1GB and 2x512MB

and there's an empty slot

[tropic flame]

oh awesome

never found computers on the trash here

[ashen cliff]

At this point, I would just send you my old 1U server parts, but the PCIe slot it blown up.

[tropic flame]

well, I once found a laptop that must've been from like the 90s or whatever, it wasn't functional though

[ashen cliff]

Even the little 100€ MiniPCs we got are better than that Athlon. Damn.

[vagrant marlin]

wont be buying any cards until the power consumptions become logical

amd is way better than nvidia in those regards, we shall see how the new intel cards perform

[ashen cliff]

Well, both brands do well if you lower the power limit by a bit.

[spare venture]

electricity is cheap

[ashen cliff]

If you don't pay for it.

[tropic flame]

just buy tbe mobile card lmfao

[haughty bear]

I saw this video on 20hz rclicks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjaFlK4L8QQ
how can this be used in plugins?

[spare venture]

its like $0.11/kwh here

[ashen cliff]

Yes, but also no.

Look at the rest of the bill.

[tropic flame]

I legit have friends gaming on laptops

heating issues seem to not be as prevalent as before (if you choose the right laptop)

so it actually seems viable to me

[ashen cliff]

You also pay for the infrastructure probably.

[vagrant marlin]

my gtx 1660ti maxes out at 120w 😊

[ashen cliff]

GT80 Titan SLI gang.

Just 660W total power, just for the GPUs in a laptop.

[spare venture]

ok $0.11/kwh + 10% utility tax

so $0.121/kwh

[ashen cliff]

What about the cables/power delivery/whatever other random charge they add?

[spare venture]

i used 722 kwh last month, and paid $84.53. that's $0.117/kwh

[ashen cliff]

Understandable.

[spare venture]

its cheap here because of hydro

(seattle)

[ashen cliff]

It's cheap here too, but... I use 2x as much as you apparently.

[spare venture]

i dont have a/c and i try not to run my heat

in a 1028 sqft apt

[ashen cliff]

Same.

[spare venture]

🤷‍♂️

maybe because i have a 1660 super and not a 3070

[ashen cliff]

Probably.

That unlocked 1080 really can suck power.

But yeah, I did manage to lower the cost, by "removing" one machine from the setup.

[spare venture]

well mine was lower this month because i was out of town for a week, so probably add 25% to my usage to get more accurate

[quasi cave]

level 1 noob question here, how do servers get different worlds without using a proxy, I've used MultiVerse but then BetterRTP fails to randomly teleport lol, any ideas on what the server command would be for say if a player clicks something they get teleported to a random location? or are there better plugins?

[golden gust]

they use multiverse

it's then 100% on finding plugins which work for your needs

[wet storm]

What do you think about ignite? Should I try to use it for smol changes for NMS?

[tired heath]

I opend my old server now for grief and auto give each join x stacks off tnt how long you think will it live until people get it

[magic river]

Holy cow, HP's FreeDOS option is weird

It's actually a Debian 9 install that runs GDM with autologin as root then the X session starts xfce-terminal which starts fullscreen qemu with freedos inside

When qemu exits (when you "shut down" in FreeDOS) it shuts down Linux

But then they also have an "HP Documentation" boot option that one runs the same Debian 9, GDM, qemu, etc setup but the VM it starts is an ancient 32-bit Debian 6 image that opens iceweasel pointed at a local PDF file

[floral mesa]

and they remove that option during the holiday season when everything is on discount

[tardy shore]

How do i get older version of papermc lol?

[ripe sphinx]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

no not that

[crystal lily]

To download old versions of Paper, click here ➡️ papermc.io/legacy ⬅️ and fill out the questions. Note that old versions are completely unsupported and contain numerous bugs/exploits.

[tardy shore]

Thanks

Bot

[ripe sphinx]

-_-

[turbid oar]

Screw older versions of minecraft lol

[golden gust]

nice hiss

[tropic flame]

(unless you play modded)

[primal solar]

I think modded has moved to 1.16 as its base version at this point

[ashen cliff]

You mean 1.7.10?

[tropic flame]

if I can't run SpongeForge then I stay in 1.12.2 lmao

but that's just me

ultimately your version does not matter much when you're adding custom content in the mix since you're playing for the custom content, not for vanilla

[wet storm]

Mc version matters when you are trying to actually use some specific minecraft features in your mod, such as additional rendering visuals. Minecraft 1.12.2 feels kinda incomplete for me comparing to modern versions, and no support from toolchains and worse and older toolchains themselves

[stuck lynx]

This gives me pain

[true canyon]

You mean 1.6.4?

[ashen cliff]

Exactly.

[twin lagoon]

@true canyon 🥺

[true canyon]

🥺

[magic river]

lol, people are trying to argue node 18.1 shouldn't have implemented WebAssembly.instantiateStreaming() and instead waited for 19/20 because apparently adding new API should be semver major

Adding new globals is semver major which kind of makes sense, they're saying that reasoning should apply to things like this too

[vernal moth]

How is adding apis a major? Lol

[magic river]

Specifically because adding that broke an isNode check in emscripten because it was using whether that API existed to decide if this was in the node process or the chromium one

[vernal moth]

Globals I can somewhat understand cause js is stupid

[vernal moth]

Well, that's a dum check them, they should check apis they care about, not do platform detection

[magic river]

Apparently some other logic correctly detected it was node so had a filesystem path to the wasm file instead of a URL and then this separate check meant that path got passed in

Which the new node code rejected as an invalid URL

They're saying it's a bug in node and it should accept this input

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[spark gate]

Is there any channel where i can get help with my maven deploy problem or should i send the messages in here?

[vernal moth]

#paper-dev is fine

[tropic flame]

I meant more for the end player, I know that developers always get fun new things to work with on newer versions

[wet storm]

what happened to da moon

looks cool, but didn't expect lol

[red timber]

moon is raining down

[ashen cliff]

MFW a partnered Discord server announces that they are going to accept bids to "transfer" ownership:
MFW they lose partnered status:
MFW they "transfer" the server to a "stolen" account reseller:
They state that they don't sell stolen accounts, yet have a lot of random country locked accounts, despite being advertised as Balkan.
MFW I report it to Discord and they say it's totally cool and legit:

I have lost all hope.

[spare venture]

discord

[ashen cliff]

Also, good thing I'm not using my accounting email for Hetzner for other stuff.
Legit, got a fishing email.

https://posili.me/i/2zQyYFBt-2022-05-16_18-24-03.png

[wet storm]

mfw krusic22 repeats mfw

[ashen cliff]

I'm actually very happy, because I also got another email to that address and I know exactly which store sold it.

[still sorrel]

was it unity or unreal engine that you require C# for

[wet storm]

Unity

[vernal moth]

Easy policy, never click any link in any email

If you can't avoid, manually copy the text, but generally, rather manually navigate to wherever you need to go

[ashen cliff]

Yeah. I do question why we can even report scams in our country.
"We take this very seriously." and the same thing keeps on happening with the same online store reselling info.

[magic river]

So we're having a fight over whether we'll be allowed to put a message in this app that says "your app version is too old, go upgrade"

Apparently the client things they can keep backwards compatibility by simply willing it to happen

While also requesting changes that break backwards compatibility and asking for them to be done too fast to plan and build compatibility in to them

It doesn't help that the app is dumb as a bag of hammers and just shows a blank white screen if it ever gets anything unexpected from the server

My point was basically "We need them to upgrade and keep upgrading. Whether that happens via an email from their boss (via checking analytics) or an error message in the app is up to you. Not doing it (and making it a process, not a one-off) isn't an option."

[turbid oar]

True. Haven't tried out modded for a while ever since curseforge made there launch app

Might try again

[wet storm]

it's time to drink some tea, listen to some music, and write some shit code

[warm anchor]

Herb tea?

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/xZwCQdNf-2022-05-16_20-32-54.png?BroMomento

Thank you Discord for telling me the exact limit.

[warm anchor]

pic doesn’t load

Typical discord

[ashen cliff]

Fact.

There we go.

So, it's not 10...

[wet storm]

This cheap thing, cuz all my other good tea has ended

[ashen cliff]

So the limit is 5...

[void void]

Anyone able to help me with a plugin? Easy Backup

[rare python]

Ask the plugins developers

[jagged egret]

somebody should make a client mod that uses the same noise generation system to generate a low-poly version of the world and display it on the horizon instead of just fog

[worthy geode]

https://github.com/PorkStudios/FarPlaneTwo

this?

[jagged egret]

Yup, that

lol, turns out I watched a video about that mod and forgot about it 😂

[worthy geode]

Now if it was Fabric + 1.18.2 it would actually be useful

[ashen cliff]

Do you?

[jagged egret]

@worthy geode this one does the same thing https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/distant-horizons

[worthy geode]

oh thats nice, gonna try that some time

[vernal moth]

Oh iso, that's a name I haven't heard in a hot while

[golden gust]

I have an eye sore too

Wait

[ashen cliff]

I needed that.

[golden gust]

Do we have to ban for underage?

2022-2013

[vernal moth]

Yabai?

Am too scared to google that

Let's do it together

[upbeat falcon]

koekeishiya/yabai: A tiling window manager for macOS ... - GitHub

https://github.com/koekeishiya/yabai

yabai is a window management utility that is designed to work as an extension to the built-in window manager of macOS. · yabai is licensed under the · Use at your ...

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[vernal moth]

Oh boring

[wet storm]

Sounds funny for me cuz similar to russian "yebat'" in some form which means "fuck", but also it has 999+ other (also as a curse word) meanings...

[magic river]

Huh, FarPlaneTwo appears to have rewritten the worldgen logic it uses in C++

https://github.com/PorkStudios/FarPlaneTwo/tree/15a919283afb6a0aedd40634e69bdb08f4c8ee87/src/main/native/compat/vanilla/biome/layer/c

[ashen cliff]

Ah yes. Porkchop.

[native wolf]

same with most of Balkan countries, that word can literally be used with lots of different meanings lol

[magic river]

I'm ready to electrocute myself, got a new outlet to install behind my desk

[turbid oar]

dope

wow what a long look up xD

I forgot whats it called. We don't have it that often but when we do I will tell you

[void void]

Hello

[viral hornet]

Did you not make it?

[turbid oar]

no my family did

[ashen cliff]

KOMPOT.

[twin lagoon]

@viral hornet

[viral hornet]

You don't know what's in it/the layers are?

@twin lagoon

🥺

[ashen cliff]

@viral hornet

[viral hornet]

@ashen cliff

🥺

[ashen cliff]

Good thing Discord just saved you.
https://posili.me/i/54LDDfKF-2022-05-16_23-02-56.png

[turbid oar]

strawberry, cream, cookie crumble and cherrys

[viral hornet]

[twin lagoon]

where are my lamingtons @viral hornet

[viral hornet]

OVER HERE

[turbid oar]

nope

[viral hornet]

WHEN ARE YOU COMING HERE

😔

[viral hornet]

this sounds almost like a cheesecake though lol

[turbid oar]

lol

[viral hornet]

I googled this but can you serve it cold with vodka or no

[ashen cliff]

Yes.

[viral hornet]

okay time to make it

[ashen cliff]

Can even serve it hot.

[viral hornet]

I keep almost wanting to spell it terribly wrong

[ashen cliff]

Make sure to forget about it for 5 years and then drop it.

[turbid oar]

🤔 not event 21 yet but 5 months left 😭

[viral hornet]

not being allowed to drink until 21

what an american moment

[turbid oar]

so true

[viral hornet]

@ashen cliff you've made me want cherries

[turbid oar]

yum

[ashen cliff]

Brother.

https://posili.me/i/wsC4g7AW-2022-05-16_23-07-55.png

🤝

[viral hornet]

What is InterimBase

oh

OH

wdym how

no

I googled kompot

and you can make it with using cherries

[ashen cliff]

Daily reminder that it's probably best to rebrand your server, if the owner gets arrested.

[turbid oar]

This is kompot? If so looks good

[magic river]

Hmm, that looks very illegal

[turbid oar]

There is probably a ton of names for it

[magic river]

That's not how that works but considering this I probably shouldn't say anything

[turbid oar]

This is the ingredients

@kind agate

[charred sleet]

this bar at the bottom new?

[silver nexus]

It is, and it’s very annoying…

[golden gust]

o.O

[twin lagoon]

make sure you're getting paid

[spare venture]

how old are you?

just wondering based on the username and saying “i dedicated my life to chasing money”

[wet storm]

I mean,

1. Go to a psychologist, just for talking, it really helps
2. (my thoughts) If you have no purpose, then start to try everything (legal) in your life and you'll find one after a time... I find out that if I burnt out in programming, so I think that I have no purpose anymore cuz programming is my main thing, I start learning random european languages... Yeah, I learn only basics, but it helps me just do something instead of just existing and doing nothing...

[viral hornet]

Then go out and get a job

or study something

or volunteer somewhere

[twin lagoon]

@viral hornet 🥺

[viral hornet]

🥺

[spare venture]

make friends, socialize

don’t focus on life being “leveling up”, life is all about good experiences

if you treat it like those dumbass self improvement youtubers you’ll be miserable

[viral hornet]

But you're also only 19

Dont expect to know your purpose in life at 19, or even 29.

[spare venture]

work on learning to socialize and make friends is all i can say

what could they possibly be using you for

you’re 19, i can’t imagine you’re the biggest target. you’re being paranoid

[grand pewter]

take what youtubers say with a grain of salt and find an actual professional to talk to btw

youtubers sometimes just care about saying stuff that is controversial/misleading for views

[worthy geode]

oh I like this

[spare venture]

like i said socialize and enjoy life, you only get one

step away from the computer, go outside

[magic river]

Well I managed to to not electrocute myself, unfortunately the new outlet is too big

I also discovered the ground pin is just for show, this outlet isn't grounded

[potent wedge]

Oh no

[magic river]

Not that it matters, most of the stuff on this desk is powered via USB which also isn't grounded

[warm anchor]

[twin lagoon]

@vestal jasper

[vestal jasper]

uwu

[twin lagoon]

uwu

[warm anchor]

@vestal jasper @twin lagoon

[vestal jasper]

Weeb

[lilac moon]

[tropic flame]

Java 11's HttpClient is pretty good

love the builder style

[potent wedge]

7/8ths the server: "Damn, never though about it like that"

[swift root]

basically like anything else - you find a guide of some sort to begin (youtube, someone you know and trust, a book, etc) and get your hands dirty by doing some actual things. once you do things you can learn by experience or example to do them better, to expand to other things, and to keep growing in your skill

just somewhere to start and a lot of persistence, and you'll get where you want to go

[wet storm]

What do you think about annotations, do you actively create them in your projects, and which cases should I create them? I have a lib, which I started to continue to develop and it has many annotations and it becomes PITA to support in implementation... I wanna get rid of them, but I am not sure should I

[spare venture]

can brain damage affect things that require your brain? yes

[lavish compass]

@warm anchor

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/vTyPb8np-2022-05-17_10-09-56.png

[wet storm]

I mean, ask here or in #paper-dev I don't think you'll ask some topics which only cat will know

[worn crest]

Ask here, I believe he won't accept your request and give you private support

[mental meadow]

You can send me a DM if that helps?

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/fYZ9sPQX-2022-05-17_12-09-32.png

I think I forgot about the server for a bit.

[lavish compass]

2 months uptime

[ashen cliff]

Thank you for pointing it out, didn't notice.

[red timber]

np

[twin lagoon]

@red timber

[wet storm]

np

[rare python]

How can you be on the latest version yet have not restarted for 2 months?

[ashen cliff]

1.18.1.

Could just do live patching to be fair... well not on Java 17 yet.

[rare python]

Oh did not notice 1.18.1

[wide chasm]

Please post memes in #gifs-and-memes

[icy pike]

For you. Which is best for a modded server. The most qualitative and the best combination

BungeeCord / Waterfall / Velocity
Sponge / Mohist / Magma / CatServer
If you want to give arguments, I take everything. It's a small personal poll

[rare python]

You have no understanding of servers

[quasi valley]

Sponge and Velocity

[rare python]

BungeeCord (Waterfall) and Velocity are proxies are not servers in themselves, and only exist to allow users to switch between servers.

[icy pike]

I know ahah

Read my message carefully

[rare python]

I would recommend staying clear of Mohist as it is unstable.
And I have never heard of Magma or CatServer so I wouldn't use them.

Sponge would be best.

Velocity would be best IF you can live with its nice but somewhat lacking API, otherwise use Waterfall.

Waterfall is a BungeeCord fork so there is no point using BungeeCord.

[wet storm]

Mohist/Magma/CatServer is shoehorning bukkit platform into forge, so they are really unstable cuz forge is not a native platform for bukkit API, and their development is also very eh, cuz they use plain forge patches and they have mixed forge and bukkit API patches into one. Personally, I'd choose plain Forge and I'd develop all plugins I need via server-side mods and installed a few performance mods, but not sure about proxies, I heard that Velocity has some PR for plain Forge support...

[magic river]

Fabric is where all the performance mods are

But Sponge only works on vanilla and forge

[golden gust]

And modern modding platforms are not super compatible with proxies

And generally, you're gonna receive 0 support from anybody when using a hybrid

[magic river]

Proxies try to track and restore some state on the server and clients as you hop around, it doesn't know what to do with modded stuff other than just pass is through blindly

So it might "work" but imagine if every server you connected to via bungee mashed all their scoreboards together

Now imagine it's something even worse like a bunch of particles stuck on the screen or something

[wet storm]

btw, https://github.com/PaperMC/Velocity/pull/690 wen? /s

pr number is funny

[icy pike]

Oh, thanks for all your reviews. If I was globalizing, best would be Sponge with Velovity? To begin with, what is the difference between Waterfall and Velocity?

I know Waterfall is better than BungeeCord, but for Velocity, what are the specs?

[golden gust]

velocity is a new proxy written around the lessons/horrors of maintaining waterfall

[icy pike]

Ok so for sure Velocity is better than Waterfall?

Is this the best proxy in your opinion?

[golden gust]

outside of the fact that it doesn't have a long standing ecosystem like bungee/waterfall do, yes

[icy pike]

Is it maintained and secure?

[wet storm]

yeah, it is secure, about maintained, that's why #velocity-help and #velocity-dev exist

[muted storm]

haha funny number

[icy pike]

Why is Waterfall even maintained if Velocity is an improved version of it?

[wet storm]

as cat said before, huge bungee's ecosystem and amounts of plugins created

like, waterfall = many plugins, exist for longer time; velocity = more performance, more security

[icy pike]

Ok, so Waterfall plugins don't work with Velocity?

[wet storm]

yes, bungee and waterfall plugins don't work with velocity, velocity has its own API

[rare python]

and until it's API is more capable it won't get one

[icy pike]

Oh okay. Thank you for all the answers. And for you Sponge is more stable than Mohist or Magma?

[wet storm]

yes, but I hope you know that bukkit plugins don't work with sponge, sponge has its own plugin API, which is richer than bukkit imo, but I think you'll find and configure sponge plugins you need at their resources

[icy pike]

Of course. But I'm looking for quality

My server is one of the biggest Pixelmon in French. Now I use Waterfall and Sponge

Pixelmon takes a massive amount of resources. And I favor stability over the quantity of the API market

That's why I ask all these questions and inform myself

Thanks anyway, I took note of everything. I find Sponge unstable given my use but if it's already more stable than the others, then I'd keep it haha

[magic river]

lol, Linus got his logistics folks from work to help him move into his new house but since it's a video that's fine, it's just another day at work 😄

[rare python]

Basically your best option really.

[icy pike]

The conclusion is that: Velocity and Sponge. I think I'm going to move for this

[rare python]

Do you need a global tablist?

Because if so, use Waterfall

[novel horizon]

huh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raTkZqz680Y

[icy pike]

Why?

https://forums.velocitypowered.com/t/globaltab-a-tab-customization-plugin-wip/151/2
https://forums.velocitypowered.com/t/playerinfo-an-simple-plugin-for-global-chat-tab-list-and-ping-list/1046

I just found this too: https://forums.velocitypowered.com/t/snap-run-bungeecord-plugins-on-velocity/608

[magic river]

wtf, the Exynos 2200 uses an RDNA2-based GPU so they had the whole mesa stack just sitting there ready to go but instead they shipped a vulkan driver (no idea if that's RADV, AMDVLK, or something custom) and then slapped ANGLE on top to emulate OpenGLES

Now, I'm a fan of Zink and think that's probably the way forward for OpenGL long term but Mesa has a native GL/GLES driver already

And ANGLE is meant for WebGL stuff, not generic GLES usage

[ashen cliff]

Could be a licensing reason?
Or some random backwards compat.

[magic river]

Definitely not backwards compatibility, ANGLE ended up being a mess

It turns out when you take something meant for WebGL and try to use it for everything you hit a lot of edge cases you didn't think about

[turbid oar]

Holy. I cannot wake up in the morning fully without my coffee 😄

[worthy geode]

just don't sleep

[turbid oar]

Lmfao

[bronze plank]

Does anyone have the image with all the bukkit and bungeecord forks?

Nevermind I found it

[ripe sphinx]

For the record that image is only really useful as a meme, it doesn't convey much useful information

[bronze plank]

It is usefull if you want to show to someone some of the forks

[ripe sphinx]

sure, but not useful for actually choosing which to use

[mental meadow]

also it's like super weird
like why is Starlight a Paper mod

[rare python]

This is outdated

[mental meadow]

and what's the difference between a simple route like Craftbukkit -> Spigot to something like Paper -> Pufferfish

I don't get it

[rare python]

Alt current has patches in paper now :)

[warm anchor]

This is a meme and should be treated like one. Information is not accurate and misleading

people are already confused on how bukkit > spigot > paper works lol

[bronze plank]

Do you have a better image or list to share?

[rare python]

No not really

[warm anchor]

he just missed the entire point

[mental meadow]

also shouldn't there be Bukkit in there as well

I really don't understand it

[rare python]

Well no because CraftBukkit is a server implementation, Bukkit is not, it's just an API.

[lavish compass]

@twin lagoon weeb

[warm anchor]

@lavish compass weeb

[ripe sphinx]

@everyone weeb

[lavish compass]

where

[twin lagoon]

@lavish compass where innit

[lavish compass]

apparently no response yet

[twin lagoon]

[lavish compass]

will poke when appropriate

got 2 others also waiting

[warm anchor]

@lavish compass your pixelated emoji wtf

[rare python]

Does discord allow svg emojis?

[magic river]

There is this guy (stenzek) who seems to work on every emulator I follow the progress of lately so I went to check his github profile and, sure enough, he is a PhD student who is trying to do anything he can to avoid writing his thesis 😄

He is a major contributor or the main developer of Duckstation (PS1), PCSX2 (PS2), and Dolphin (GC/Wii)

[golden gust]

lol

[rare python]

Lol

[magic river]

Oh and he makes a PC emulator too as a side project 😛

[rare python]

What

[magic river]

https://github.com/stenzek/pce

[vernal moth]

The power of procrastination might be even stronger than the power of the boner

[ashen cliff]

Can confirm.

[golden gust]

idk

I was picturing once and ended up rolling off the sofa

[jagged egret]

hypothetically, if I were to reprogram the way worlds are stored, what is the best way to store the data?

(no this is not a serious project, I'm just looking for something to tinker with)

[ashen cliff]

Depends. Plenty of cursed ways of doing it.
If you have a set amount of words, you can make a lookup table.

[jagged egret]

Haha I'm not looking for a cursed way to do it, I want to come up with a way that could actually be better than the Vanilla implementation

Like memory mapped files with a SQL database for storing block data, or something

[void void]

wtf

[golden gust]

I mean, at the end of the day, the thng expects region files

I do kinda wanna try the joys of a nested folder structure for the keks

or, mount a vmdk image

[worn ember]

Stop lying cat. You never do anything smh

[golden gust]

Bro.

I said I wanna

Not that I will

[worn ember]

Exactly

[golden gust]

I feel like I have a drill into my brain rn

DED

I SWEAR TO GOT

GOD

[worn ember]

God can't save you from me :3

[golden gust]

I really wanna meet everybody here

and give people hugs and shit

and it's just gonna feel so weird compared to my normal self

it's gonna be funny

[smoky cloud]

And then you'll shit on their rugs

[jagged egret]

bleh if I implemented a cleanroom version of the server i'd have to figure out a physics engine

[golden gust]

I mean, I think that the thing is that beyond all the flaws of region files, you're gonna end up coming up with something either similar or a bastardisation of something else

[magic river]

Neat, someone is doing a mod of Super Mario 64 to make it look like the promo renders of it did back when it was first announced

Those renders were done in some fancy offline renderer of the day with "realistic" lighting and such

So the game now has ray tracing and looks like someone took GameCube level models and rendered them without textures

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJiKlXhPbRI

Ok, maybe better than GameCube, it seems to vary

The characters look like a GameCube-level model but rendered in HD and no textures while the terrain is a bit of a mishmash of textured and not and detail levels are all over the place

[jagged egret]

I might use an interval tree + hash table

[turbid oar]

no

I don't think so

I think it only knows .png, .jpeg, .gif

You can change it to a .png when saving it though

or converting

[magic river]

The current system is already really good, imo

Maybe not the region file format but the way it stores block data

You could probably make something that compresses better via interval trees but that would make writes heavier

Writes already got slower with the current system vs the old naive flat arrays of data but the space savings was enormous and read/write is still fast enough to use it as an in-memory format

[jagged egret]

https://0fps.net/2012/01/14/an-analysis-of-minecraft-like-engines/ this is pretty interesting, but they basically conclude that an interval tree is better than purely an array because a lot of the accesses are iterative instead of random access

Although I suppose it's got to be converted to an array to send it to the client, anyway

[wet storm]

Is there any concrete reasons why plugins load and enable somewhere in the middle of DedicatedServer initialization, and not earlier, for example, in Main or Bootstrap classes?

[jagged egret]

Depends when the plugin specifies that it needs to be initialized; some of them are pre-world and some post

[magic river]

Nope, the on disk, in memory, and network formats are more or less identical

On disk has some NBT wrapping and network has some optimization to only send slices of it, iirc

But the core data structure is the same