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stuck lynx
smoky cloud
@stuck lynx
stuck lynx
@void void see? It's not that difficult
smoky cloud
stuck lynx
(epix nitro flex)
void void
@stuck lynx dun
smoky cloud
smoky cloud
＠ != @
smoky cloud
You done goofed
unborn jay
Has anyone's nether generated with multiverse started to only generate flat world after a few blocks?
true canyon
<＠!629326488721948715>#2746
magic river
I don't get it, I has a task that needs to do HTTP requests and process the results, I made it only do 100 at a time to ensure we don't overload things (remote server or this one) but that was apparently still too much. After cutting it down to 25 at a time it finishes faster, uses even more CPU, and triggers even more errors and timeouts from the remote server due to overload
I guess 100 a time was stalling libev or something
This is the first time I've seen doing the work at 1/4 the speed making something run faster
still sorrel
nodejs backend moment
sturdy grove
lol
true canyon
Ah yes, attacking players. The sure way to build a playerbase.
trim oracle
clearly he just left to invite his friends
tranquil bone
You never heard of that strategy? Does wonders
true canyon
Negging your players!
wet storm
everybody gangsta until someone (me) misses ...and re-applying patches.
okay, delet everything and try again
stuck lynx
$ sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root /
true canyon
'sudo' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.
bruh 🐧 > 🪟
stuck lynx
```
'sudo' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable progra...
> format C:
true canyon
I have software that doesn't run on linux well 🙂
neon bramble
such as?
wet storm
okay, delet everything and try again
a little queston, if I have a conflict in Paper-API / Paper-Server, how should I solve it? I did changes in these dirs which solve my conflict, and I did git add . in these dirs and git am --continue, but what thing I need to do after it to actually commit these changes in these dirs? Like git commit --amend or what? (It is scary to try and see cuz I can break something again lol...)
charred sleet
So i have a custom email, and it is hosted with a third party. But i have just found out that hotmail emails send my email to junk? is there some way i can verify my email with their servers?
charred sleet
SPF?
golden gust
maybe, idr all the acronyms
there was like a few mechanisms that tried to verify an email address
there are services which can detect issues with stuff like that too
charred sleet
haha, yeah they stupid. but yeah i do have them both configured according to my host
neon bramble
oh no
charred sleet
there are services which can detect issues with stuff like that too
Im looking at this tool, and it says that a DMARC authentication should be used, ill give it a look. Also, that the domain is very young so thats a thing i guess
charred sleet
Im looking at this tool, and it says that a DMARC authentication should be used,...
it might be cause my domain is really young
warm anchor
I'd rather swim in crocodile filled swimming pool than hosting my own mail server
brave mountain
https://twitter.com/sjpalmer1994/status/1517879498242498560?t=vTSrk-BMQzmXFhs_6h...
JavaScript?
worn ember
So i have a custom email, and it is hosted with a third party. But i have just f...
Usually it's the senders IP that gets blacklisted. So if you use a shared box it can fuck you if other users have malicious intents
brave mountain
Also reverse DNS
worn ember
We use sendgrid for our email services and had to request a new IP cuz or other one got sent to trash
brave mountain
PTR records
unkempt drift
spotted
vernal moth
Do you tho?
unkempt drift
im gonna be more active in the spigot discord I think. very interesting things come up
vernal moth
I open it whenever I am bored
unkempt drift
cant be good from a mental state, but....
vernal moth
Either there is shit going down, or I say something and shit will go down
It's actually good for my mental state
I used to yell at friends when I was in a shitty mood, now I throw shit at random people online, lol
Everybody needs a vent ^^
charred sleet
We use sendgrid for our email services and had to request a new IP cuz or other ...
Hmm yeah that might be a problem then. I have used zoho for now just to test it - but if it gets sent to junk i might have to ditch
silver nexus
I just go walking. Not destructive and kinda healthy. Wish I had discovered it before the second semester, but at least I found it.
worn ember
Hmm yeah that might be a problem then. I have used zoho for now just to test it ...
yeah usually free tiers get abused to shit
charred sleet
yeah im not on free teir, but it is still very cheap comparatively. might be worth looking around again tho 👀
worn ember
you could ask your provider about it
might just be something in your mails that trigger it
charred sleet
I mean it is for personal/dev work so no mailing list type things
just text at the moment
worn ember
Aikar is the expert on this, pretty sure he works at a company that does stuff like that
but he pretty much ded
charred sleet
(at)aikar#0001
yea idk will have to see
im in no hurry but i will keep looking around for hosting
im not sure about self-hosting security wise
worn ember
smtp servers are a pain regardless
true canyon
but he pretty much ded
I thought you were ded.
neon bramble
Gave up pretty soon
worn ember
I thought you were ded.
i am but he aliven't
neon bramble
but he pretty much ded
mybe he dad 
worn ember
🥺
charred sleet
smtp servers are a pain regardless
ive seen the prereqs on a couple of guides and it scared me off
worn ember
might give it another go at some point
spare venture
well and emails are freaking cheap lol
golden gust
I mean, much of it's all down to reputation and how hosts deal with it
as I said, hotmail is literally the worse and even companies dealing with this shit for a long time have issues with hotmail
golden gust
Basically, hotmails filtering is darned agressive and a common issue for many new email providers, in part, it's all down to reputation of the origin of emails, ensuring that stuff is all setup properly and pot luck with the IP address you get, etc, etc, etc
some providers are better than others, but, there is a reason "don't use hotmail" was once a common message when registering to forums, etc
charred sleet
Basically, hotmails filtering is darned agressive and a common issue for many ne...
yeah this might be the issue, due to it being a cheap host its probably ab(used) a fair bit
void void
i want to talk to kyngs but he doesnt want to talk to me
lament patio
How i can download slimefun here
It's in their github
https://github.com/Slimefun/Slimefun4/releases
gentle cairn
ok
gentle cairn
It's in their github
<https://github.com/Slimefun/Slimefun4/releases>
i cant add a jar file on aternos
servers
lament patio
Well, Idk, you can search their plugin list if they have that
gentle cairn
how
lament patio
I don't know, never used it
golden gust
if you're having issues with aternos ask aternos
gentle cairn
do you know any other site i can upload there a jar file?
golden gust
We can't provide support for random platforms we have nothing to do with
Literally any competent hosting provider
merry talon
Basically, hotmails filtering is darned agressive and a common issue for many ne...
most businesses have a huge phishing problem because people are dumb as nails
and outlook is the most popular business provider by far
lament patio
Iirc server.pro allows it
merry talon
I don't believe anyone on earth is low income enough to where being driven to insanity by free hosting being awful is a lower cost to pay than like $3 a month
you gotta have some self respect lol
echo tusk
anyone know big (mc) discord with looking for ? example. looking for programer or coowner
gentle cairn
Iirc server.pro allows it
why it says Plugins not Supported ?????!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lament patio
I don't know because I never used it
spare venture
I don't believe anyone on earth is low income enough to where being driven to in...
children with $0, especially poor children with $0. almost exclusively
i believe aternos supports plugins.. as does minehut
gentle cairn
I don't know because I never used it
then why you said it allows it????!!!!!
upbeat falconBOT
spare venture
go there
gentle cairn
i believe aternos supports plugins.. as does minehut
aternos does not support jar files
lament patio
I said that last I saw, server.pro could take in plugin jars. Honestly, I can't help you with this free host stuff, you're better off looking for specific groups ^
void void
aternos is poopy
spare venture
yeah i doubt any free host is going to let you put your own plugins on there
golden gust
I mean, last I knew, aternos did, idk if stuff is vetted to decide whats allowd on there, etc, etc
void void
Ilias you're funny
merry talon
do yall have parents that don't love you enough to give you three dollars
golden gust
ofc, we, once again, cannot provide support for random platforms we have nothing to do with
spare venture
slime fun being what it is, i wouldn’t be surprised if free hosts don’t have that as their default offering
gentle cairn
Ilias you're funny
What do you mean !!!
spare venture
i believe they have plugins that you can install from some internal vetted system cat
void void
What do you mean !!!
your question is so simple and yet a paper developer decided to answer it
it was just a really funny moment
spare venture
do yall have parents that don't love you enough to give you three dollars
have you ever been very poor
gentle cairn
😡
void void
😡
Calm down. I didn't have any intention of making fun of you nor disrespecting you.
All I'm saying is that it was a funny moment. That's all
gentle cairn
ok
gentle cairn
yes i need help
void void
can we VC?
echo tusk
hey. anyone here knows ipv4 well?
sience i have question
no need ultra well but still little
If some hosting got 2 ipv4s
and i have 1
and if first ipv4 get ddosed, whole machine die? or my (vps) with diffrent ipv4 sttays?
golden gust
basically, yes
both of those IP addresses are assigned to the same network interface with the same pipe
if you're using a hosting provide which null routes on DDoS attacks, then the other IP may stay up
echo tusk
u know hetzner?
void void
i helped Ilias with his plugin. Now I am officially qualified to receive Paper Support rank on Discord
echo tusk
u know hetzner?
so basicly it has ultra bad antyddos
so if i have dedicated ipv4 my server still be online? (dedicated server is split into vps)
golden gust
idk what their filtering does
if you want answers specific to a provider you'd need to speak to them/check what they say
echo tusk
idk what their filtering does
literally nothing
it is or no then its no diffrencr
so my ipv4 will stay?
rare python
Who can I blame for this?
vagrant marlin
blame kenny
golden gust
er, it's basically an artifact of "breaking compat = evil"
true canyon
i helped Ilias with his plugin. Now I am officially qualified to receive *Paper ...
Best I can offer is this kitten emoji 
rare python
er, it's basically an artifact of "breaking compat = evil"
Okay, i'll blame Spigot then.
golden gust
or, well, actually, it's more fun
So, that statistic for years was named play_one_minute, and mojang was using it for ticks
void void
Best I can offer is this kitten emoji <a:kittyuwu:786460233991192596>
i gladly accept it 🥺
warm anchor
rare python
Okay but spigot did not update it to reflect the change, so I blame them.
wet storm
No pleading today🥺
twin lagoon
@true canyon 🥺
true canyon
<@71627708521512960> 🥺
wet storm
You know what? Imagine using pleading emoji, nonono, don't even try to imagine, pleading for someone is an act of violence, it'll cause mental breakdown for the person you sent pleading emoji, it is also one of the common reasons of alzheimer, so no pleading allowed, stop pleading /s
void void
trying to port forward, they recently changed the website for adding rule s
what's the difference between fwrd ports and original port etc
golden gust
orig is probs source, fwrd is probs destination
void void
i just wanna do 192.168.1.236:25565 to like everything
it added it, then crashed, rule wasn't there i go to add again then it says it's already there 🤔
it works now tho
void void
https://elwolf6.feen.us/0gvee8.png
croccy
i never thought crocs could be cute until i saw that pfp
thats adorable
wet storm
i never thought crocs could be cute until i saw that pfp
Did you ever think needles could be be cute? Look at my pfp then /s
0.00001% of people actually realize that my pfp is a needles photo and not a weird art or something
lament patio
Looks like a dead plant
void void
i never thought crocs could be cute until i saw that pfp
it's an aligator
void void
it's an aligator
its cute until it tries to eat me
silver nexus
Yes
wet storm
Is there a setting for plugins to crash a server when exception throws? (Am I understand correctly that the usual scenario for exception is plugin unloading?) What do you think, should plugins have an access to minecraft's report system? (ReportException and other report things placed directly in net.minecraft package)
smoky cloud
You might have to download the launcher from the Microsoft Store
patent crow
Good morning.
tranquil bone
Trying to figure out why connection resets
Didn't bother to check htop...
Mmm, maybe this has something to do with it
Hahahahaha
mental meadow
hey, I fell for a phishing website, and somehow they got my discord as well. I left most guilds where I had mod to try to minimize damage. Everything should be back to normal now (I hope), sorry if anyone of you got scam messages from me. If anyone still gets weird messages from me please contact me asap, thx
mental meadow
@vernal moth hewo
mental meadow
Staff and roley, the rest I can do myself I think?
ah no roley is gone
just look at Larry
thx ❤️
wet storm
🥺
novel horizon
golden gust
She's a blonde
mental meadow
She's a blonde
not naturally though! only bleached
spare venture
lmao im curious about which link you fell for
mental meadow
it was a "vote for my csgo team pls" link
The friend who send it to me did play in tournaments in the past and asked me to vote for his team in the past, thats why I wasn't suspecting anything
spare venture
oh that makes sense
foggy veldt
That’s actually so smart, I always do random surveys when people send it to me because I remember how hard it used to be to get people to take my surveys when I needed them for projects
worn ember
Mods: lol just dont click the link!!
Also mods: clicks the link
golden gust
not naturally though! only bleached
The bleach got to your brain, prove me wrong ;P
❤️
foggy veldt
inb4 cat falls for one next and starts pinging everyone 
worn ember
just block him now, he has nothing interesting to say anyway 😉
ily cat plz dont hurt me
golden gust
who are you again?
worn ember
no u
mental meadow
did they get ur skins
No, but his
I guess my 200€ knife wasn't valuable enough or i kicked them out quick enough
mental meadow
The bleach got to your brain, prove me wrong ;P
My brain is nice and shiny
vernal moth
🤡
"This is ridiculous, let's wait how the situation will pin out, looks like they are intentionally breaking tons of plugins right now. I am sorry, I am busy recording a new training program than wasting my time having to backport an odd fix for some kids thinking they can force everyone using their stupid adventure library"
his message in his own issue
fuck that guy, I thought he was banned on github?
worn ember
yeah stop forcing people to use your well developed libs plz
vernal moth
its just the assuming we are trying to break shit cause we feel like it and then treating us like kids that gets me
like, I wish we could break legacy for the sake of it, but we cant 😄
mental meadow
Can i answer with a clippy meme "have you tried not using § colors" /s
vernal moth
cat you missed how nothing is really broken, sendMessage will still support color in console, right?
left swift
That’s actually so smart, I always do random surveys when people send it to me b...
it's the most common phising type on steam
golden gust
Well, the expectation is that the logger will magically translate a meaningless format all because it was designed badly in the first place, thus leading towards a long standing hack inside of the stupid logger which really shouldn't of existed in the first place
void void
"This is ridiculous, let's wait how the situation will pin out, looks like they ...
thought you wrote this yourself
foggy veldt
Lol yea I was about to say the same thing, I thought the “im busy recording a new training program” thing was sarcasm by mini but he actually said that in the comment 💀
worn ember
MS: Mono is old you should use .NET Core
Also MS: uses Mono for Blazor WASM
left swift
ashen nacelle
ah i still remember the days of the monochrome green phosphor screens
My very first computer had one
worn ember
ah i still remember the days of the monochrome green phosphor screens
ok boomer 
ashen nacelle
i still have an Macontosh SE
long fog
https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/7560#issuecomment-1108447679
does using ChatColor still work?
i assume no because chatcolor is just proxy for the section char?
void void
not in the logger
brave mountain
i still have a cd drive
Watch me run mc on a i3-2310M
vernal moth
does using ChatColor still work?
It does if you use the console command sender
magic river
I can't remember if we (well, I think it might have been a PR from minecrell?) put the color support in the logger or if we should blame Dinnerbone 😄
Can't remember if it was always there or only with the log4j2/jline2 upgrade
Guessing this is a reply to someone who got banned but it's funny to just see it floating there out of context
quasi valley
vernal moth
Nah I think it was in response to an issue in the PR that was fixed later
wet storm
Always blame dinnerbone ✊ (he broke into my house during ms account migration 😭) /s
cloud slate
Is anyone here somewhat of an expert with client logs?
I'm confused as to why my client isn't logging chat messages as it would usually do when I connected to a server... The server is part of a bungee network.
Also, disconnect messages/errors are also not logged, which makes it hard to debug an issue with a disconnect
void void
should kafkaz get a girlfriend?
vestal jasper
What a joke. "must be reverted now"
long fog
It does if you use the console command sender
makes sense, ty
void void
Musk bought twitter
frank otter
well
frank otter
now he can get rid of the account of the dude tracking his jet
mental meadow
now he can implement his version of "free speech" aka blocking his critics and competitors
true canyon
Now he can insult and threaten anyone 
mental meadow
welcome to trump social media but from musk
well I guess I'll use mastodon from now
frank otter
what's mastodon?
frank otter
do self-hosted instances interconnect
frank otter
that's probably a sane idea
are there any particularly interesting
I should learn German
mental meadow
frank otter
oo that's a massive list
vernal moth
Mastodon is worse than twitter because it's an even bigger circle jerk
Let's just wait for DSA to force federation
mental meadow
i like it
mental meadow
no but so isn't twitter
charred sleet
now he can get rid of the account of the dude tracking his jet
this was the real reason
golden gust
thing is without federation, it's all just a bunch of loosely interconnected networks
vernal moth
Actually not sure if it's part of digital services or digital market act
golden gust
some networks are strict on stuff, others are neo nazi hellholes
vernal moth
Holy shit Gboard ruined that message
charred sleet
iboard 
wide chasm
Got rid of Twitter some time ago, don't regret it
golden gust
Theres a few people on twitter I like lurking and interacting with here and there
but, for the most part, it's just yet another place where people seem to wanna be at one anothers throats
wide chasm
I liked lurking some posts, but after Twitter introduced NFT profile pictures, I just deleted my account, it's not worth it for that.
mossy vessel
Probs nothing much will change for the ordinary consumer; see similar relevant events
wet storm
Twitter is blocked in my country now and the only time I used it was to vote on minecraft live lol...
unkempt drift
Shareholders need to actually sell
I was thinking about this, and it can't be that each shareholder gets to choose the price. cause then you'd have like 1 person saying im not gonna sell my share for $54.20, I want $10 billion. so there must be some other rules for this, idk them tho.
but at the same time, it strikes me as odd that I can be forced to sell my shares for a price I didnt pick
vernal moth
I don't care enough about stock shit to care tbh
I wouldn't be surprised if small investors get fucked over
Idk how much power the board has here really
It's all too disgusting for me to investigate
Also, I just couldn't help myself
unkempt drift
I wouldn't be surprised if small investors get fucked over
I mean if it sells for 54.20, ill make ~$90
so fine by me. ofc I wish I sold my twitter when it was >$70 after jack left
red timber
twitter's always been a shithole, nothing significant will change after musk acquired it
vernal moth
twitter's always been a shithole, nothing significant will change after musk acq...
I agree, I just think it's a good excuse to push for more legislation
Lol is that real?
vague lagoon
looks fake
vague lagoon
nvm
brave mountain
in twitter I most follow japan people, so I don´t encounter toxicity
wet storm
I mean, among plugins devs I often talk to, the only two use adventure, others either use bungee, either use "&" with legacy serializer, I also know one person who hates adventure because of "lotta dependencies", but his issue is that he doesn't even try to use any build system. (and, unfortunately, I need to work with him...) And idk what to do with him, I can't use paperweight, and I should use only spigot technologies, but I wanna develop for the server where he works...
brave mountain
and some linux ich
vague lagoon
Twitter
vernal moth
I mean, among plugins devs I often talk to, the only two use adventure, others e...
I mean, adventure and MiniMessage literally come with paper so the dependency argument is bullshit
And if you stick to spigot API when running paper servers idk what to tell you
But I feel ya, working with others is hard
lavish compass
But I feel ya, working with others is hard
so true, but Hangar when?
vestal jasper
Cat
golden gust
and then your bed
twin lagoon
@vestal jasper uwu
golden gust
#AmberTurd
vestal jasper
Stop shitting on rugs pls
lavish compass
Can we sell Hangar as an NFT before it launches
golden gust
I've not been watching the trial, but, omfl
#MePoo and #AmberTurd have been trending on twitter here and there the past few days
foggy veldt
I liked lurking some posts, but after Twitter introduced NFT profile pictures, I...
Just add some muted words, Twitter is very funny when you get rid of all the noise
foggy veldt
Oh well I think eth blockchain or crypto catches most of them because I don’t see it
vernal moth
Thank you Michael
lavish compass
@twin lagoon weeb
wet storm
But I feel ya, working with others is hard
And also, he has many dependent on each other libraries which he uses for developing different servers for the same server network, and they are updating somewhere privately on his github profile and when he makes some new project which is dependent on them and calls me for it, I need to ask him for these dependencies and dependencies of depenecies and all other hell, It'll be a lot simplier if he set up at least maven repo, but "plugins are too simple to use build systems for them, spring infrastructure is very complex and it requires build systems to use, unlike plugins.". Life is unfair
vernal moth
Well, it's good life advise
People in power are always dum
That's why I am part of the core team
runs
spare venture
elon musk buying twitter is wild
warm anchor
He just wants the attention
spare venture
pretty expensive to get attention
unkempt drift
also, he convinced Morgan Stanley to load him 22 billion dollars for it
spare venture
must be so nice if you could just buy massive companies and it literally doesn’t matter if the company goes to shit because you have hundreds of billions more
foggy veldt
I wonder if he can actually pull off open sourcing the algo
It would be cool but I don’t see that happening
spare venture
why would he do that
wet storm
He just wants the attention
it's what I am doing my entire life
warm anchor
He does ok things but also equally amount of dumb shit
foggy veldt
I’m down for all of his ideas except for the free speech one
Some people deserve to shut up
golden gust
I really gotta make a new twitter account
that way I can follow some of the stuff that I wanna follow without the public eye
spare venture
does free speech mean free speech for bots
golden gust
warm anchor
I’m down for all of his ideas except for the free speech one
Hyperloop 
And my taxi death tunnel
golden gust
I mean, the tunnels would make sense if it was like, 100% automated, and, not a potential death trap
Like, the majority of issues with tailbacks is that people can't fucking drive
foggy veldt
My favorite thing to do is to go to a random tweet and type “hacked banned suspended sugar daddy bitcoin coinbase” and see the replies fill up
wide chasm
Just add some muted words, Twitter is very funny when you get rid of all the noi...
Didn't really have issues with the content I saw, Twitter itself was the issue.
warm anchor
I don’t see him shitposting as a problem but he has to understand there are people who would blindly follow him and be yes man around him
I mean I shitpost all day too
golden gust
Thing is is that that is often what shareholder boards can get to too
meager tusk
Elon bought twitter.
foggy veldt
That part was fine for me, the to too part tripped me up
warm anchor
The only Elon musk I approve
lavish compass
@warm anchor weeb.
foggy veldt
Fun fact that was my first discord pfp
meager tusk
True.
warm anchor
<@177150983258767360> weeb.
lavish compass
FMA good though
wet storm
IOException: couldn't parse english language
foggy veldt
Edward in the church is my favorite scene from that anime
meager tusk
Only good anime is "KLA takes over Serbian outpost in Koshare securing Albanian border crossing(1999)".
Change my mind.
@ashen cliff Confirm.
golden gust
boku no pico
wet storm
One piece is the best ever
golden gust
I have a general rule of no animes over 24 eps
spare venture
no good anime
lavish compass
I assume you know what that is right, electro?
foggy veldt
Never watched one piece luffy face creeps me out
warm anchor
I have a general rule of no animes over 24 eps
Eureka is good 
(the original aired version)
ashen cliff
Only good anime is "KLA takes over Serbian outpost in Koshare securing Albanian ...
Fact.
warm anchor
But I agree anything over 52 ep are generally bad
golden gust
Have you heard about endless 8?
lavish compass
HxH is quite good imo
foggy veldt
A good anime I watched recently is hamatora. Reminds me of durura where they highlight the evil in humanity and it isn’t just protagonist saves the day and everyone goes home happy
lavish compass
But I agree anything over 52 ep are generally bad
single season or multiple
wet storm
Idk, my fav animes are naruto and one piece, and I watched others but eh
warm anchor
Haruhi is a lot of many peoples entry point
lavish compass
I don't understand how people stand naruto and one piece though
golden gust
entry was death note, as I'd watch the LA as a kiddo with my sperm donor
warm anchor
I don't understand how people stand naruto and one piece though
Same way people watch office / park req on Netflix. They just want some relatable filler.
lavish compass
one piece is like 13.8 days of constant watching (excluding openings/endings)
foggy veldt
Naruto shippuden was very good but it takes long to get to the action because of the filler so I understand why people dislike it
wet storm
entry was death note, as I'd watch the LA as a kiddo with my sperm donor
Sperm donor💀
golden gust
I don't remember what I watched after that, earliest shows I remember watching where things like Another, Clannad, Haruhi
lavish compass
imagine how many PRs you can merge by then
vestal jasper
Parks and rec 
foggy veldt
I love the story behind Naruto tho
warm anchor
entry was death note, as I'd watch the LA as a kiddo with my sperm donor
DN is ok …
lavish compass
can we ban eternity
vestal jasper
Naruto shippuden was very good but it takes long to get to the action because of...
Used a guide that hid episodes that were purely filler. Cut down on like 100 episodes 
golden gust
pmsl
foggy veldt
Death note is good just end it after the part where || L takes an L ||
golden gust
I mean, I'm an "oh squirrel" type
foggy veldt
After that it just drags on
meager tusk
Death note is good just end it after the part where || L takes an L ||
True.
golden gust
So, getting into shows is really hard for me, it has to hook me within 2/3 episodes or am out
lavish compass
I havent found any good animes recently
golden gust
and, 3 is pushing it to fuck
foggy veldt
Have you seen noragami yet
foggy veldt
It’s very good def recommend if ur into mythology and shit
golden gust
Elfen lied, hiiighly recommend
foggy veldt
Actually it’s not that deep on mythology just really good
twin lagoon
fucking weebs
wet storm
Ahhhh, fuck, I wanna rewatch naruto for the third time from ur talks now
twin lagoon
@warm anchor thoughts
golden gust
I tried to watch the movie but "oh squirred" out
lavish compass
golden gust
NGE was damned good
warm anchor
Ghost in the shell
golden gust
Not watched much of the newer stuff, however
warm anchor
All time classic
golden gust
Not seen that one yet
lavish compass
ok mr neko addict
oblique wadi
I have a whole list of anime to watch, spy and family is on that list
golden gust
ofc
oblique wadi
https://tenor.com/view/anya-spy-x-family-anya-spy-x-family-pat-gif-25343989
Heh, I’ve seen that as a clip on TikTok, I loved it
lavish compass
priorities.
warm anchor
Heh, I’ve seen that as a clip on TikTok, I loved it
It is good stuff. Literally cannot go wrong as the LN is top seller before anime is being made
golden gust
getting a tablet is on the list of stuff I wanna get when I can
warm anchor
ofc
Levi still best eye patch girl. From Black lagoon
Wait not Levi. That Russian mafia
golden gust
But, am conflicted, biggest reason I want a tablet is to try and get into reading, as, I used to read all the time as a kiddo
golden gust
but, then, I moved back with my birth giver/sperm donor and stopped going to the library, so, I do kinda wanna get back into it, but, er...
warm anchor
golden gust
I mean, I tried both, I've probs got data on both
warm anchor
anilist > MAL though
True. They also provide better api
lavish compass
At some point, I made my own app to stream anime from CR and stuff since their apps were SO BAD
it has been in development hell since and I have not bothered to continue it
oblique wadi
I use VRV to watch anime, that dang thing doesn’t know how handle ads sometimes
frank otter
does the concept of development hell imply the existence of development heaven and purgatory
lavish compass
warm anchor
And not dead inside yet
lavish compass
lowkey my app had better UI than any commercial anime apps
twin lagoon
@untold meadow 🥺 
lavish compass
I don't even know how much time i wasted on the app 
untold meadow
@twin lagoon !!!!!! 
warm anchor
I am old school I still don’t stream them…
frank otter
Heaven is when you retired
when will hangar be out of development purgatory
twin lagoon
<@215448923681062913> !!!!!! <:transHug:612035715143958528> <:michaelComfy:95144...
the skin is outdated now kezz
new drip new me
untold meadow
MAKE IT GO GO GO
lavish compass
I am old school I still don’t stream them…
smh do you run a plex or something
smoky cloud
Funimation for webOS used to have a great bug where ads just wouldn't play
warm anchor
when will hangar be out of development purgatory
Mini said before end of year or cat can yeet him out of discord
lavish compass
simple solution: make your own extractor and make an app
frank otter
didn't nomana say he'd quit poki if it was out?
warm anchor
We will have to promote @static badge to core team now
smoky cloud
inb4 rat gif
warm anchor
lavish compass
hangar rewrite in nextjs WHEN
twin lagoon
so true
frank otter
what's hangar currently using
lavish compass
vue + nuxt
frank otter
oh neat
lavish compass
(no)
frank otter
is Vue that bad
frank otter
oh wait can you just typescript with lang="ts"?
also didn't nuxt version something new just release?
lavish compass
nuxt 3 rc yeah i think so
frank otter
I should have a look at that at some point
not that I do webdev but it seems interesting
lavish compass
still misses a few important things though
like mixing SSG/SSR like you can in next
lavish compass
rust 
frank otter
rust pains me
it's such a nice language and it works nicely
but dear compiler I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING WITH THIS POINTER
every time I try to do something exotic that works perfectly in like cpp rustc goes no
vernal moth
vue + nuxt
Wrong, we dropped nuxt cause nuxt 3 is a clusterfuck
wet storm
And not dead inside yet
😔
vernal moth
Ye
lavish compass
you're doing ssr only?
frank otter
wait so are you just using plain Vue
vernal moth
Why not?
Thin layer on top of vite for ssr
Plus nice vite plugins
I don't want magic frameworks anymore
I want control
That's why we also threw vuetify out and write our own components
frank otter
is vuetify a component lib
vernal moth
Yes
frank otter
God I know nothing about webdev
frank otter
I mean I guess control is nice but then you end up doing more work it seems to me
lavish compass
nextjs + tailwind and call it a day
vernal moth
I disagree, I spend less time fighting libs and frameworks
That makes me more productive and work more enjoyable
frank otter
fair enough if it works better for you
vernal moth
And yes, we use windi.css
frank otter
is that a css library
vernal moth
After going this route for hangar I did the same at work
lavish compass
sort of
lavish compass
its more like a css generator
vernal moth
It's a library for people who don't wanna write css
It generates utility classes
So you basically get to ignore the whole cascade and all the issues it includes
lavish compass
although with tailwind, making your own control/inputs is a bit more painful
frank otter
It's a library for people who don't wanna write css
that sounds cool
lavish compass
than for example, using a component from MUI
vernal moth
But if you wanna adjust the design in MUI you are in for pain
frank otter
I should head out but this all sounds very cool and I definetly understand what's going on
lavish compass
But if you wanna adjust the design in MUI you are in for pain
Absolutely
I was a big MUI fan until I found tailwind
lavish compass
I do use MUi for stuff that I cant be bothered to style though
lavish compass
I should head out but this all sounds very cool and I definetly understand what'...
here's an example of tailwind
lavish compass
https://github.com/HangarMC/Hangar/blob/master/frontend-new/src/components/ui/In...
wait wtf, you can do that?
wide chasm
Last time I used Tailwind it felt like I was just using their stuff which translates to a single line of CSS, so I didn't really see the point.
wide chasm
I always kinda like cascade
glass crag
composition > inheritance
lavish compass
What are the main differences between tailwind and windi
vernal moth
Cause my line with 10 classes would be 15 lines in css
glass crag
and adding responsiveness to your app is way easier
vernal moth
Windi is tailwind, but actually thought out till the end
Tailwind is trying to catch up now tho
wide chasm
And now I need to learn a library that doesn't really do much, whereas I already know a bit of CSS
lavish compass
Tailwind is very easy to pick up imo
glass crag
the tailwind vscode extension makes it quite easy to see which classes to use
lavish compass
I made my first prod app with tailwind in just 2 days
another plus of using something like tailwind is that you dont need to keep track of consistency between styling yourself
you can just use the predefined colors, sizes or define them globally
wide chasm
It's not super difficult, but still.
lavish compass
without dealing with some css variables yourself
and avoiding media queries is also a big plus imo
wide chasm
Avoiding media queries is nice I agree
But I never had much of an issue with CSS variables?
vernal moth
I literally deleted thousands of lines of css at work
You can't believe how good that feels
It's just a really different mindset at first, and I hated it initially, but once I gave it a serious try I don't wanna ever write css ever again
vernal moth
Windi/tailwind takes that one step further
wide chasm
I can understand that, but I found something like materialize much nicer than tailwind.
vernal moth
The issues start if you want custom designs
Company website uses bootstrap as base, initially it was really nice, cause we had to write less code. In the end it became a huge maintiance burden cause you got a million selectors each overriding each other
wide chasm
Yeah, I don't want custom designs, I'd rather use a library that gives me a good looking uniform design, than me having to do that myself.
vernal moth
I have people that do the design for me
And they yell at me if it doesn't look right
wide chasm
If you have designers whose job it is to do the design, sure, materialize is a bad pick, but given that I can't design, I'll take it.
vernal moth
I don't want my company website to look like my hobby projects, lol
golden gust
I mean, as somebody whose thrown shit together before, bootstrap is nice for getting shit together, but, very few want their websites to look like bootstrap or whatever flavour of it you're using
vernal moth
Oh for hobby projects where I don't give a shit about the design I would still use a component lib
still sorrel
tailwind ui mfers be like
golden gust
then you get to the point with bootstrap where you're maintaining just a metric ton of stuff over the top of it for just getting it to the odd quirks you wanna have here and there that I often have just thrown bootstrap out and started again
reset.css and custom go brr
glass crag
the worst thing about tailwind is the tailwind bros
vernal moth
Luckily I don't use tailwind
golden gust
Casual reminder
wide chasm
Bootstrap is kinda nice, definitely prefer it over tailwind, but I still prefer materialize.
twin lagoon
materialize makes your website look like android 5 or hanger before the redesign
both are not good
still sorrel
I dont like materialize
golden gust
I mean, for the most part, they're not designed to look good
vernal moth
Don't compare tailwind/windi to bootstrap/materialize, they are different things
wide chasm
Well, materialize is seemingly kinda dead these days, so I'd probably not use it for anything new.
golden gust
Like, I give bootstrap and co props because they provide something reasonable for throwing shit together which can be reasonably consistent across browsers
vernal moth
Browser consistency isn't an issue anymore
golden gust
Like, nobody looks at googles stuff and thinks "damn, this is a good design!"
Well, yea
vernal moth
It's 2022
golden gust
cos all browsers are chrome
vernal moth
Exactly
vernal moth
You only have to worry about iOS
wide chasm
Well, and Firefox
vernal moth
Cause apple hates standards
twin lagoon
material design 2 or whatever revision we are currently is bussin
golden gust
apparently they're changing, but, we'll see
vernal moth
If my website looks bad in Firefox that's their bug and not my problem
true canyon
@north token PR's locked so I can't comment on it but I wanted to point out that 2014 was an entire year of components for chat because it actually came out in 1.7 in 2013 😆
golden gust
I trust apple about as far as I can throw it
vernal moth
Oh the WebKit team is fully with cool people
wide chasm
If it's large enough of an issue for a large enough of a userbase, it'll quickly become a problem
vernal moth
They just have bad management
still sorrel
I prefer bootstrap simply because of the components
I mean you dont want to use the bootstrap buttons in your site without a theme
vernal moth
There are other component frameworks
still sorrel
already used to bootstrap's css framework
wide chasm
React looked kinda interesting last I looked at it, but never did anything with it
still sorrel
bootstrap just misses a few things like a multi select
lavish compass
material design 2 or whatever revision we are currently is bussin
so based
lavish compass
https://website-e4ds4joax-cubxity.vercel.app/ old website with mui moment
still sorrel
why is it not in bootstrap
vernal moth
React looked kinda interesting last I looked at it, but never did anything with ...
React is a different category again, it's in the same league as Vue or svelte or heck, angular if you hate yourself
I don't like react cause jsx is stupid
wide chasm
Well, Vue is also nice
golden gust
win.forms in the browser wen?
wet storm
Rust wasm💀
vernal moth
Vite is what brought joy back into hangar development
lavish compass
rce in the browser wen
vernal moth
I wouldn't be able to finish hangar with webpack
still sorrel
one of our vue projects at work takes like 2 minutes to start up with webpack
twin lagoon
I wouldn't be able to finish hangar with webpack
still not finished
vernal moth
one of our vue projects at work takes like 2 minutes to start up with webpack
Go run yarn run dev in hangars old frontend, it will take minutes
lavish compass
pnpm 
still sorrel
I gotta try out vite and electron
vernal moth
Sounds like pain
Shipping client apps that is
I live in my happy place where I build web apps and if I bork something, I just push a fix within minutes
still sorrel
we have like 0 useful internal documentation on how to even make the android app work
some nativescript shit
and other random things that you have to download and set up
north token
<@207575115616092161> PR's locked so I can't comment on it but I wanted to point...
My bad haha
vernal moth
We contract out apps
So that we can then yell at contractors
Cause you can't yell at coworkers
Ez win
still sorrel
so do you like provide an API to the contractors?
vernal moth
One of our apps has been rewritten by 3 different contractors, they all terrible
Yep, we work with them to provide services if needed
Well, I don't, I just laugh at the result and tell the users to use my webapp consumer portal instead of stupid apps
But other teams have to work integrating the apps
The amount of stupid architecture decisions in those projects is amazing
still sorrel
man, I wish we had better management
golden gust
am not mocking your english there
I just, wanted to imitate yelling at you, cos, you know
still sorrel
had to update a massive application to a new major version, spent 200 hours on it.
there were so much breaking changes
but it isnt even merged into develop yet
and the next sprint starts
like wtf are the priorities
vernal moth
man, I wish we had better management
3 years ago with just got rid of one whole level of management
Been great
still sorrel
do I have to rebase this entire fucking thing again and fix 300 weird issues that could have been prevented
vernal moth
Oh, did you buy "standard software" just to ruin it in customization?
still sorrel
there literally is no planning, every day some random bullshit suddenly takes priority
wide chasm
We managed to get something working by cobbling together code from blog posts from 2006 for two years.
vernal moth
Oh yes, I also love agile teams where everything is the highest prio
still sorrel
we have dev meetings but all the things that are brought up are just neglected
wide chasm
I'm not exaggerating that was literally the process
still sorrel
"we are an agile team" just means "we have daily standups"
golden gust
casual reminder that what distinguises the good devs and the bad devs is knowing how to google
I used to be agile
but, as I keep getting older
still sorrel
we have like 50 different projects and we are a team of 4 people
vernal moth
Agile requires management to shut the fuck up
wide chasm
The difference is that the code we cobbled together isn't good. Like, it's fucking terrible.
still sorrel
I swear why can't my company just have one consistent project over a season
wide chasm
If you manage to make something good by googling your way through it, be my guest, but this code breaks the moment you do even something slightly unexpected.
still sorrel
that is so nice
vernal moth
I can just delay stuff because I wanna write more tests
still sorrel
I have some internal projects
vernal moth
Did I mention that my team is still hiring?
still sorrel
you in the netherlands?
vernal moth
Don't pass on this chance to get shit on by me in a job interview! 😂
Cologne, Germany, close enough
still sorrel
hm not going to germany
vernal moth
Just sober up and you can speak German
wide chasm
Cat should apply, you can have a shitting contest
still sorrel
dont speak a word (non nazi related) german
vernal moth
Is this where I scream Sieg heil?
still sorrel
when you have an older brother he'll tell you all the hitler quotes
true canyon
Will you offer me a competitive relocation package from the USA? And also I'll need language lessons because I know nothing.
still sorrel
ok different topic
vernal moth
Heck, even I don't know any Hitler quotes
golden gust
I mean, I kinda wish I wasn't dead
still sorrel
how much bratwurst is included in the pay
vernal moth
And my buddy Adolph and me share a birthday
golden gust
I'd kinda love to work along side mini
still sorrel
once I get 3 years of job experience I'll instantly leave this company
vernal moth
Don't get too excited, I am only sometimes the asshole at work that I am around here, lol
still sorrel
we got a new guy at work
I have to review his code
I wanna pull my hair out
me stacks branches
then fixes things in the wrong branch
vernal moth
Half my team is ex apprentices
still sorrel
when I tell him to fix something in a different branch
he had to merge like 4 PRs into one branch because he made changes all over the place
literally cant review this shit
vernal moth
Like, I told my boss the other day, we can't keep soaking up all apprentices, because then I'll feel old cause I'll raise the avg age, lol
still sorrel
worst thing is I feel so mean making 50 comments on 30 files
vernal moth
Oh people tear my work into pieces, but that's important
mossy vessel
Imagine finding people knowing git beyond committing files lol
wide chasm
Impossible
mossy vessel
laughs in working with SVN and Mercurial
vernal moth
Also not nessasary
wide chasm
I can make a commit via CLI, nothing more though
still sorrel
except interactive rebases, those go via the CLI
golden gust
I mean, thing is though is that here, we abuse git
anybody who works fairly often on paper probably knows much more about git than the average dev
vernal moth
Yeah everybody who touches paper is a git expert in the outside world
still sorrel
paper is patch based, right?
wet storm
And my buddy Adolph and me share a birthday
I am literally a russian kiddo and my classmates joke about hitler (and other offensive topics such as n words) 999 times a day, my classmates especially like to joke about hitler in german classes, idk why is it so...
golden gust
yes, using git underneath
wide chasm
I'd be surprised if the average developer can fix a merge conflict tbh
still sorrel
lol
mossy vessel
The time I've opened an actual git gui was gitk and I already hated it lol
vernal moth
When people asked me what I do as hobby projects I used to say I handle tens of thousands of merge conflicts at least twice a year
golden gust
if i had a nickel for everytime somebody in paper-dev gets stumped over a merge...
vernal moth
The time I've opened an actual git gui was gitk and I already hated it lol
Intellij is a git GUI
mossy vessel
I don't use that much
golden gust
I honestly really do not like git GUIs and often just stick to the CLI, even with IJ
but, shit like annotate with git is handy af
mossy vessel
I feel I'm faster with typing than clicking a few buttons smh
cunning raft
still sorrel
repo is empty
vernal moth
I only commit via intellij
still sorrel
vagrant marlin
https://github.com/twitter/the-algorithm
elon musk starting to do stuff
leaking the algorithm
vernal moth
https://github.com/twitter/the-algorithm
JROY! POLITICS!
void void
that was fast
cunning raft
i am simply posting a github repo
cunning raft
wet storm
Whi said politics?
vagrant marlin
i fully support burning jroy
cunning raft
!ban
thorny flickerBOT
Command ban requires 2 argument(s) (<user:user|snowflake> <reason:str...>) passed 0
vernal moth
You are commenting on current issues that could be seen in a political context!
vagrant marlin
is it a public meeting
wet storm
Totally agree
vernal moth
I think I should go to sleep
still sorrel
did you look at the skript parser
vernal moth
I can't help you with that, unless you plan on loosing more, that I will gladly assist with
vagrant marlin
it genuinely surprises me that people manage to be so terrible with skript
loops dont exist
vagrant marlin
yes, but some dont know that
wide chasm
People are terrible in whatever language you give them
vernal moth
Stef just called Skript a programming language, behead them!
vagrant marlin
i agree
wide chasm
"They hated Stef because he spoke the truth"
wet storm
Languages are a horrible hack for people to write a software for computers
vernal moth
You know what can help with that? Brain transplants by our lord and savior Elon musk!
tropic flame
scripting languages are not programming languages!! how else could I make fun of python devs as a superior C++ dev? 😤
wide chasm
But Skript is mostly just taking methods from Bukkit and turning them to English, a lot of stuff is not actually made easier, it just has different syntax
mossy vessel
Wasn't the purpose of skript to make things easier while still serving shit on the silverplate without the need to compile sth?
tropic flame
it genuinely surprises me that people manage to be so terrible with skript
don't blame the language, blame the ones who write for it (and to a certain extent, its users)
Skript itself is fine
vernal moth
Skript isn't easier, just more accessible
vagrant marlin
isnt that what i blamed
golden gust
Skript is basically the python of plugin dev, in a sense
it's more accessible because it's a more plain language with less complex structures, etc
tropic flame
isnt that what i blamed
I was just adding rather than opposing to what you said
golden gust
downfall is is that it's obtusely flat and imposes overheads to pretty much everything you do because of that
there are ways to optimise skript, but, generally, it's a hell
vagrant marlin
people make the variable names shorter in skript to "optimize"
golden gust
thing is though is that optimising skripts is basically shit like, you literally need to understand how skript works
and, by the time you're digging into skript that deep, tf not just learn java
wide chasm
There are some things in Skript that are genuinely easier, but you'll find a lot of syntax that just translayes to one or two Bukkit calls.
golden gust
I mean, shorter variable names actually do have an impact
mossy vessel
no, you can copy/paste from the existing skripts 
golden gust
Like, variables are just stored in a Map
mossy vessel
See no difference
vagrant marlin
I mean, shorter variable names actually do have an impact
while making it harder to distinguish what is what
worth it
still sorrel
and, by the time you're digging into skript that deep, tf not just learn java
java verbose tho
golden gust
potent spire
I want the opinion of all of you: what version should I run my RPG server?
golden gust
latest, unless you wanna be stale
potent spire
I've been thinking about 1.12.2 because of performance and it has a decent range of blocks
potent spire
latest, unless you wanna be stale
can I optimise my server to use barely any resources with paper? Like disabling AI on mobs
vernal moth
Yes
But worry about that later
You need gameplay first
And players
Else there will be no load
vernal moth
Using old versions is just setting you up for trouble and artificially limiting you
potent spire
true
But there's some perks to using old versions, like WindSpigot existing
That fork runs crazy quick
golden gust
Performance is generally of little care
by the point performance starts to become an issue you should be looking into load balancing anyways
sure, older versions can stave that off but you're literally just digging yourself in a hole
most players wanna be on the latest version of stuff and take advantage of modern things, not be stuck with stuff which hasn't moved forwards in years
vernal moth
You will need to scale to multiple servers anyways, so performance just is an accounting problem, is it more worth to waste development time or just buy new servers
void void
nice
vernal moth
Ah yes
void void
patches are overrated anyways
vernal moth
People are such idiots
So yeah that fork is pepega
Of course it's a fork of a fork of paper
true canyon
Yatwopia!
golden gust
ah, nice, license violations
void void
time to fork wind
unkempt drift
open an issue
void void
and ViaVersion is patched at runtime to work with Nacho's modifications.
brilliant
foggy silo
vernal moth
"Nacho can now be used in production environments with some degree of stability"
ashen cliff
Via moment. 
vernal moth
Love this
void void
at least they're honest
unkempt drift
windspigot says theyve got async worlds
golden gust
parallel ticking of worlds is not too hard
vernal moth
runs
golden gust
I mean, vanilla even has worked on some of the changes which make that more viable
(not that they're likely to go down that route)
vernal moth
And then plugins come and ruin your day
golden gust
but, I mean, no doubt they're gonna break so much shit in the process
The number of times I've had to make a plugin which is dependent on events firing in a specific order cos bukkit sucks
o u c h
ashen cliff
So use Forge?
vernal moth
No, mixins on top of paper 😂
ashen cliff
Someone did try tick threading there and it actually worked.
golden gust
I mean, as I said, it's doable
in the scheme of things it's not even all that complex
ashen cliff
Interesting to see Pure there.
golden gust
biggest headache is stuff expecting everything to generally be within the same thread context with a predefined tick order
golden gust
I bet that they just fucked over the callEvent stuff
Well, back then it didn't even validate that shit
twin lagoon
mixins on paper would be cool
ignite to the rescue
void void
would be cool if it was native