I assume many of the 10.x IPs won't be unique
#general
tropic flame
warm anchor
Ipv6 is the answer 
tropic flame
yes
funny enough, my ISP's router provides me easy portforwarding options for a few multiplayer games
warm anchor
It’s probably just that router happens to have
tropic flame
I mean it's literally my ISP-provided router, with their custom settings panel
warm anchor
Probably not even popular game just some rando selection?
tropic flame
so idk if it's coincidental
magic river
It's not like they're going to ban your account for playing MC with some friends
They might even make it easy
Their ToS will probably still say you can't do it 😛
They definitely say you can't do it commercially, can't remember if mine bans all servers or just commercial and common attack things like email and IRC
mint meadow
how hard would it be to make a custom ip protocol?
left swift
yes
mint meadow
theoreticly
left swift
about this hard
warm anchor
Too hard if you have to ask..
tropic flame
you'd have to make your hardware support it
at that point just use something like Hamachi, in your case I don't see what else you can do
Hamachi should still work
left swift
hamachi
left swift
dont host
tropic flame
some of my friends said they now use Radmin but i honestly can't bother to look further
if it's a server for friends then Hamachi is absolutely reasonable
left swift
no one has friends
tropic flame
you surely don't if you like pokimane 
left swift
you surely don't if you like pokimane <:kekw:674093681963302933>
I'll have you know pokimane loves me and we're getting married in october
warm anchor
Which October??
left swift
the other one
warm anchor
tropic flame
I wonder how UPnP would work?
left swift
tropic flame
I use AnyDesk to remotely connect to a computer from my school and it automatically opens a port in my router
same for, uh... torrent client
ashen cliff
Geyser players are fully exempt.
"unbypassable"
tropic flame
how would that work if the IP is not accessible anyways?
left swift
who are you talking to logic
ashen cliff
I use AnyDesk to remotely connect to a computer from my school and it automatica...
UPnP works over NAT, so...
warm anchor
>Geyser players are fully exempt.
>"unbypassable"
You mean I can cheat if I connect via bedrock!? Pog
mint meadow
<:pokiKKomrade:945322668876509185>
Kim Jong-un
ashen cliff
You mean I can cheat if I connect via bedrock!? Pog
Nah bro. Just tell the server you are a bedrock user. 
tropic flame
who are you talking to logic
this is a public chat, so technically I talked to 11966 people that are online
mint meadow
good
tropic flame
Probably not even popular game just some rando selection?
among the selections, there is "Battlefield series", "Civilization 4", "Command and Conquer 3", "Half Life series", "HALO", "Nintendo Wii" (? )
warm anchor
Yeah I knew it
tropic flame
there's one option just for "DirectX"
tropic flame
I mean, these are popular games, they're just old
left swift
ur router from 2005
warm anchor
What happened is whatever firmware they used it was ancient and has those features
They slap their name on it and call it a day
left swift
I'll slap you
warm anchor
left swift
u didnt help papermc with logo
mint meadow
maybe not so fun of a fact: there is a format string vulnerability on the router's webpage
tropic flame
nice, use it to acquire a public IP
left swift
use it to acquire all of the ips
golden gust
UPnP was literally designed for NAT...
tropic flame
ok cat but why bother open a port when the IP is not accessible outside the LAN
mint meadow
it isnt some old router they still sell it with the normal plans
tropic flame
like, yeah the application has nothing to do with that but it just makes it useless
golden gust
wut
tropic flame
let me explain my question better
as you said, the dude just got assigned a non-publicly routable address
so UPnP is basically useless, no?
nothing can connect to it from the outside
golden gust
it's basically useless
UPnP is basically an API endpoint to ask for port forwards dynamically from the router
tropic flame
yeah
that's all I needed to understand so I can say CGNAT is a shitty practice
if it can literally break programs by not making UPnP function as it should
mint meadow
by the time ipv6 gets used by most isps the internet would already be dead
warm anchor
(I currently have it)
mint meadow
that dosnt count
tropic flame
I thought I did but apparently I only got a local IPv6, not a public one
tropic flame
ao uh, I don't
warm anchor
The fiber service from AT&T all has it iirc
tropic flame
funny enough though I got a static IPv4 address, which is apparently not the norm
at least not a lot of my friends have that perk
warm anchor
So their newer infra provides it
mint meadow
well i had it too for some time until they fucked everything up
tropic flame
I've only suffered like 3 IP changes throughout these years (8? 9?) and it was always after power outages
which is funnier
they could just restart my router remotely lmao
tropic flame
well i had it too for some time until they fucked everything up
yeah...
try to talk to your ISP i guess
say you need to be able to access your computer remotely and for that you need a public IP address
sounds like a more legitimate use than "hosting a server" which i guess is more likely to break their ToS
mint meadow
then they are probably going to start monitoring it to check if it isnt a lie
warm anchor
They probably won’t
tropic flame
meh I'd just say they should go fuck themselves once I got what I wanted
right now you need it for remote access, in a few weeks you might need it for something else
wink wink
or well, you can resort to Hamachi/Radmin/similar solutions
mint meadow
yeah probably, they even allow iphm which is funney
tropic flame
I still do use Hamachi to play the first Diablo with my friends because that's kind of the only way nowadays
mint meadow
So, i can't host a server bc of cgnat but i can spoof packets
tropic flame
dumb question, have you tried restarting your router once more
mint meadow
done it a few times already
unpluging it and plugging it back again
rebooting tru webpage
tropic flame
hmm, i see
mint meadow
they're website is so bad that even if you try to just look for things normally you will just get randomly blocked like what happents on minecraft.net
tropic flame
yeah
tropic flame
Or you can move to a place with better choice of internet
might not be feasible if ISPs work in a cartel style of way (cough 🇵🇹 cough)
mint meadow
portugal?
tropic flame
yes
tropic flame
you pretty much get the same service for the same price across the three big ISPs, save for relatively useless perks like free Netflix or free <ISP's own streaming service like we don't have enough>
and the other smaller ISPs... it's more likely that they're just renting network space from the three big anyway, down to the cables
warm anchor
Google fiber was good. It’s very limited but it does push for other isp to get on their A game
tropic flame
Time to work on that visa then
EU citizens don't need visas to travel across the EU, that's one of the good perks here
or, well, people in Schengen countries
which for the most part kind of overlaps with EU countries
worthy geode
is the internet better in other countries tho
vernal moth
I would say any major city in western Europe has fiber, no?
golden gust
Issue america has is competition
ISPs in the US generally have a understanding that they won't step on one another territory more or less
which is why google fibre failed over there
warm anchor
Still wouldn’t call it a fail
vernal moth
It's the same here, we only force competition on copper, not fiber
worthy geode
I would say any major city in western Europe has fiber, no?
no fiber in Frankfurt when I lived there
vernal moth
Yet anyways
warm anchor
As the price at the area where google fiber is offered was competitive
Take my old house vs new one for example. I was charged $60 for a shitty 30/5 connection
On my new house, I get $50 for 1000/1000 fiber connection
vernal moth
no fiber in Frankfurt when I lived there
Actual downtown or in some dum suburb?
A friend of mine had 10G in Frankfurt, lol
Just cause he could
warm anchor
10G is surely overkill
worthy geode
Praunheim, downtown enough for a U-Bahn connection so imo it should have had decent internet
warm anchor
I can already max up steam distribution server on my 1G connection. I can’t think of anything home use would benefit from that 10G
vernal moth
Praunheim, downtown enough for a U-Bahn connection so imo it should have had dec...
That looks pretty rural, lol
warm anchor
Malfdador roasted
worthy geode
my connection here in Allgäu is better, and that is definitely very rural
worthy geode
we were stuck with 30 mbits. But iirc its better today, they started improving it after I moved out
vernal moth
I would be surprised if there's still areas where you got no VDSL
Unless you like at some farm, lol
Here my LTE is faster than my lan, but only because am cheap and only pay for 100mbit, lol
While I have fiber in the basement, but gigabit would be 75 euro
And who needs that
worthy geode
Telekom has a very nice map of their availability, and there are still quite a lot of places with only DSL 16
vernal moth
Well, who uses Telekom
mint meadow
worthy geode
2ms, lol
high mirage
I would be surprised if there's still areas where you got no VDSL
there are some phone lines in the states that are no where near good enough shape to run a DSL line
warm anchor
oh yes espically in really old houses
vernal moth
there are some phone lines in the states that are no where near good enough shap...
Well, the US is a third world country, we knew that
Saw a nice video about the horrors of suburbia today
stone bloom
Alguien me pasa el papermc 1.8 y el papermc 1.7
quasi valley
no
stone bloom
por?
charred sleet
por?
charred sleet
mint meadow
hey that looks like my internet
when downloading files i get max 7mbs 😭
spare venture
we posting internet speeds?
vernal moth
7mb/s is 50 Mbit/s, that's good enough I guess
spare venture
below average according to speedtest
mint meadow
we posting internet speeds?
just the leftovers of talking about bad isps
vernal moth
That's what I would say is the minimum acceptable, in fact, that's also what the law says here
spare venture
113.25mbps as of sept 2022 is the avg
vernal moth
Makes sense
charred sleet
113.25mbps as of sept 2022 is the avg
god i wish
vernal moth
I drag it down but only because am a cheap fuck and dont want to pay 10 euro extra for 250, lol
left swift
https://c.tenor.com/RUJokzj0C2gAAAAM/speak-english-pulp-fiction.gif
@ mods
vernal moth
Samuel L Jackson is allowed to say motherfucker to anyone!
spare venture
i paid $5 less and got faster speeds after moving 10 miles away
left swift
omg!11 bad word!11
worthy geode
I pay for 200mbits and usually get about 220, which is nice
spare venture
surprised usa is #8 now. i remember being really annoyed 10 years ago at USA being in the dumps
mint meadow
no politics but
2b2t
spare venture
i still hate that it costs $60/mo for this in seattle but in columbus it is $50 for gigabit
left swift
the infrastructure deal will raise our internet speeds 
spare venture
plus data caps here
mint meadow
left swift
data caps are anti democracy
vernal moth
Do data caps still exist?
mint meadow
and anti servers
vernal moth
We only have the for mobile
vernal moth
ISPs tried to pull data caps on landlines and got sued into the ground
mint meadow
landmines
vernal moth
And they had 1tb, which isn't even that bad, but a family can easily exceed that
left swift
1tb is terrible
golden gust
Over here competition basically killed datacaps on standard ISPs
spare venture
it costs $15/mo to not have a data cap in seattle
golden gust
I've seen like 1 plan in the past few years which had a cap, but, that seemed more like a cheapo grannie checking her emails plan
vernal moth
Youtube traffic doesn't even count towards my mobile data cap
spare venture
i havent had a data cap[ on mobile for a long time
mint meadow
good for you
mint meadow
2m on yt and 2gigs gone
vernal moth
Which, part of me hates, cause net neutrality and all, but they allow basically any video company into that program so legally it's fine
left swift
my mobile plan is "unlimited" but after 50gb its dropped to like LTE
vernal moth
"unlimited" aka slowed down after a while
That's a data cap, ye
golden gust
Yea, that's somewhat of a norm here too, """unlimited"""
vernal moth
I get slowed down to 1mb/s
We have actual unlimited plans for mobile tho, but they cost like 80 euro
Who got money for that
mint meadow
"unlimited, but after you use x the quality drops so low that you might just not have internet"
vernal moth
Or who even needs that, lol
golden gust
There's a few which have the cap and a few which don't
spare venture
it costs $10/mo to not have that slowdown, but i dont use 50gb of data on my phone/mo so i dont go for that
mint meadow
paper isp
spare venture
it seems reasonable, 50gb is a lot lol
mint meadow
only allows minecraft servers
golden gust
Big thing is that they don't want you using a mobile data plan for home broadband, which is dumb
mint meadow
We have actual unlimited plans for mobile tho, but they cost like 80 euro
at this point just get a normal home internet
vernal moth
They actively sell you data only mobile plans for home use here
Including a LTE router
mint meadow
Another day, another rce
vernal moth
What is it this time?
left swift
sugar water
left swift
did the dev team color get bluer to match kash background?
magic river
So... nothing?
mint meadow
yes
vernal moth
No
left swift
are u sure
magic river
ha ha good joke, very funny
vernal moth
Yes
left swift
maybe the blue on kash is making names pop more
magic river
RCE in the Java ecosystem is the kind of thing that gets Mini stuck in meetings with the German government
magic river
Oh I thought your CISO pulled you in too
vernal moth
We already had log4j patched when our gov issued warnings, lol
Well, but only because I warned the company
worn crest
thats not that hard
vernal moth
My boss still makes fun of my ciso with sentences like Minecraft servers have better security practices than we do
sage kettle
mint meadow
My boss still makes fun of my ciso with sentences like Minecraft servers have be...
Minecraft servers do have better security practices
mint meadow
is rust good for web
vernal moth
Sounds painful
mint meadow
ok so assembly?
magic river
Rust for web backend can be good
high mirage
In the browser or on the backend?
vernal moth
Rust for in browser sounds even more painful, lol
magic river
Java is probably better unless you're trying to save on RAM and/or do cloud/fleet things
mint meadow
wtf even is "hardware reserved memory"
high mirage
I'd imagine running rust under WASM would be okay, the issue would be doing anything with it
Memory reserved by the hardware
mint meadow
how do i un reserve it
magic river
Like, the Rust server could definitely be faster (and probably will be unless you try hard to make the Java fast or the Rust slow) but probably not enough to matter for what you're doing and Java is easier to write and has a much larger ecosystem
high mirage
iGPU might need some, bios used to need some, some other junk
mint meadow
8 gigs only 6 usable
high mirage
how do i un reserve it
you write a new driver for whatever hardware is using it
magic river
That's probably iGPU
high mirage
probably your iGPU
magic river
I think you can set that to a fixed size in your UEFI?
mint meadow
high mirage
in the iGPU case it might be configurable in UEFI
mint meadow
I think you can set that to a fixed size in your UEFI?
havnt found that in the uefi
magic river
I guess your UEFI isn't very configurable then
If you Google for it you basically find people saying after a UEFI update they had an option to adjust it
Otherwise nothing can be done
Apparently some systems have hidden UEFI settings and you have to press the magic key combo to show them
For this MSI system it was Right Shift + Right Ctrl + Left Alt + F2
You're going to be looking for something called "reserved memory" or "framebuffer size", usually
tender cloud
Sorry if it's a stupid question, but would calling PaperLib.isPaper() on a spigot server cause issues at all?
mint meadow
paperlib is paper
vague lagoon
it would return false
magic river
That method is how you check to see if the server is spigot or paper
tender cloud
But it won't throw a error if it's on spigot?
mint meadow
isnt it the same bassically
vague lagoon
it would return false
.
magic river
It'll return false
tender cloud
Ok, thank you
magic river
Spigot and Paper aren't the same, no
tender cloud
Paper is a far better version of Spigot
magic river
Paper has a ton of extra API
mint meadow
well they are for minecraft so close enough
magic river
PaperLib adds a polyfill for some of that API so you can only write one version of your code
But some of it you can't polyfill so you need to use that isPaper call to decide what API to use or whether a feature of your plugin can be enabled
Or to print a message letting people know some part of your plugin will run worse or not work but that'll probably get you banned from the spigot forums?
tender cloud
Or to print a message letting people know some part of your plugin will run wors...
Wait, what? You can get banned from the forums for doing that?
vernal moth
Nah the message is fine iirc
magic river
I thought the message got banned
stable aurora
hey guys can I quickly ask a generic java question please: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/71914838/java-unexplained-method-not-found-exception
stable aurora
this is bothering me for quite a bit
magic river
Perhaps it can only say the plugin won't work well but can't tell people to use Paper 😛
vernal moth
Classic SO, one downvote already, lmao
magic river
Of course then your comments and reviews will be flooded with people asking why
vernal moth
Nah it had one when I clicked already
spare venture
not for me
wet storm
Hangar wen
wen
spare venture
maybe check your imports?
magic river
Isn't that error just because you didn't rebuild your whole project?
spare venture
method is still being referenced somewhere
mint meadow
magic river
You have .class files still referencing the old version of the code
spare venture
just changing from string to object doesnt automatically refactor everything
stable aurora
yes, but i tried rebuilding the whole project
stable aurora
will give that a go, thanks a lot
mint meadow
bios
spare venture
maven
magic river
Changing from String to Object is API compatible since you can pass a String to something that wants an Object but not ABI compatible since the bytecode will reference the specific class type
So you need to recompile all the things that call your method
magic river
Ah so this is a Chuwi or Blackview or some other obscure Chinese thing?
Probably just got some generic default UEFI load too
mint meadow
asus amd
magic river
ASUS failed at setting branding? That's... surprising
mint meadow
magic river
Oh this isn't a laptop
mint meadow
i do have a laptop too
magic river
Yeah, custom built desktops usually don't have anything useful for those fields since Dell didn't build it 😛
wet storm
yes clojure
mint meadow
papermc jar torrent when
magic river
You're pretty outdated there
vernal moth
Who needs torrents when you got CloudFlare
tender cloud
Is using PaperLib.teleportAsync more efficient over normal teleport? 🙂
magic river
07/28/2020 but the latest is 03/15/2022
magic river
Is using `PaperLib.teleportAsync` more efficient over normal teleport? 🙂
It is on Paper, sure
mint meadow
who needs cloudflare when you got your school wifi
tender cloud
Also, how come Paper can do it and not spigot?
spare venture
spigot bad
mint meadow
bukkit old
vernal moth
Paper has async chunk loading
mint meadow
anarchypaper failed
spare venture
spigot is still in 2017
magic river
Bukkit was horribly outdated when I stopped working on it
vernal moth
It's all your fault
magic river
I blame Dinnerbone
mint meadow
magic river
We tried to make it better, see ItemMeta 🙂
tender cloud
I remember when I first heard of Paper, I thought it was just a small project but now I've started using it as my main jar now and also seeing the incredible and polite community backing it I will always be a paper person now. 🙂
magic river
We were going to turn all the other bits in to ItemMeta too
spare venture
it used to be small 😄
vernal moth
We tried to make it better, see ItemMeta 🙂
Craft item meta gives me nightmares
mint meadow
it used to be small 😄
minecraft used to be small
tender cloud
Craft item meta gives me nightmares
Just think of it before you sleep then 🙂
magic river
Trying to apply ItemMeta to entities (EntityMeta) mostly worked in the rough draft I had planned out since we were relying on everything being a hierarchy of subclasses and that was fine there
It was when I tried to figure out how to apply it to blocks that I realized it was going to suck 😄
magic river
Zombie villagers didn't exist back then, at least not like they do now
vernal moth
Full component based and data driven
wet storm
Did people in the days of hmod at least rarely use mcp for server-side things?
magic river
Now you can round trip a villager to a zombie and back, back then it was just a subtype of zombie and when you converted it to a villager you got a random new one
vernal moth
Did people in the days of hmod at least rarely use mcp for server-side things?
For mods, ye
tender cloud
Sorry if it's a stupid question, but does using PaperLib#suggestPaper(Plugin plugin); help you guys at all? I'll put it into my plugin if it would.
untold copper
i turn 16
magic river
suggestPaper will get you in trouble 😛
vernal moth
It helps your users, it basically informs them that your plugin will work better on paper
vernal moth
I turn 25 in 2 days, that's worse
untold copper
to be 16
tender cloud
So would it help you guys at all? Maybe get some new people
magic river
I'm 36 this year
vernal moth
Yes it does
untold copper
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
vernal moth
But most people upgraded from spigot already anyways
tender cloud
I just added it in for you anyhow ❤️
vernal moth
There are almost 10 times as many paper servers on 1.18.2 than spigot servers, lol
tender cloud
2s lemme check my bstats
mint meadow
a
untold copper
are we still on paper >>> spigot lol
magic river
I think it's safe to say the only people still on Spigot are either just using whatever their host is providing or are doing it on purpose because they don't like Paper for some reason
tender cloud
I got 3 servers running my plugin on Spigot
crystal lilyBOT
Having issues with tab complete on java 17? See https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/6936#issuecomment-979713795
mint meadow
gn
tender cloud
They will use Paper, no choice
vernal moth
I think it's safe to say the only people still on Spigot are either just using w...
Any decent host defaults to paper nowadays thankfully
magic river
Like, I doubt anyone is installing Spigot manually and doesn't know Paper exists
mint meadow
man, i really need to get some bitches
untold copper
man, i really need to get some bitches
who doesn't
vernal moth
man, i really need to get some bitches
If you call them bitches I don't have high hopes for you
magic river
mint meadow
i probably shouldn't tell them i am a c++ developer then
tender cloud
If you call them bitches I don't have high hopes for you
You made me laugh out loud with this, good job
tender cloud
The what now?
untold copper
I WANT A CAT
worn crest
he enjoys it
vernal moth
Man, that dog is only chilling
tender cloud
he enjoys it
Try and so no to that face, I dare you.
worn crest
I WANT A CAT
with some electronics?
magic river
Yeah let's not
untold copper
scratch that
tender cloud
This is highly off-putting.
untold copper
no cat it normal
untold copper
a fairly normal cat
tender cloud
My cat must've had a red bull this morning
vernal moth
!warn @mint meadow let's not
thorny flickerBOT
:raised_hands: Warned 2b2t.org 🗕 🗗 🗙#3657 (let's not) [1 total infraction] -- MiniDigger#3086.
mint meadow
sad
tender cloud
:raised_hands: Warned ``2b2t.org 🗕 🗗 🗙#3657`` (``let's not``) [`1 ...
Great formatting
vernal moth
Grow up
vernal moth
Believe me, you don't want to stay a teenager, lol
silver nexus
I feel old, just got invited to my first dinner party...
topaz mortar
A cat-astrophe
untold copper
Believe me, you don't want to stay a teenager, lol
why not
vernal moth
https://tenor.com/view/trolled-complete-cade-hq-returing-gif-23208812
Ur a pretty bad troll
worn crest
everything after 18 is useless because you have everything
topaz mortar
everything after 18 is useless because you have everything
At least if you're not merrican
mint meadow
Ur a pretty bad troll
sad
foggy silo
In America you stay 18 till you’re 21 👀
foggy silo
Nothing special about anything inbetween!
untold copper
man
wet storm
I think it's safe to say the only people still on Spigot are either just using w...
I worked with a developer who hates paper API and protocol lib (but he uses paper or forks in hosts) and I still idk why, he makes plugins without build systems, just with intellij as a build tool, but it'd be fine if he would sorta excommunicado in community, but he is one of the most popular developers among russian youtubers and he makes really impressive works with plugins...
untold copper
ima sleep fr
mint meadow
sory
worn crest
In America you stay 18 till you’re 21 👀
wasnt drinking in the US when youre 21? beginners, we can buy it after reaching 16
atomic ice
I worked with a developer who hates paper API and protocol lib (but he uses pape...
I mean...... the spigot api/protocol lib isn't great
I've seen people who use make for java lol
magic river
In the US you can't smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol, or smoke weed until 21
foggy silo
wasnt drinking in the US when youre 21? beginners, we can buy it after reaching ...
Correct, it’s 21 in the US.
magic river
You can vote at 18 though 😄
atomic ice
You can vote at 18 though 😄
and be in the military
foggy silo
In the US you can't smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol, or smoke weed until 21
*in some states 👀
(Weed)
worn crest
You can vote at 18 though 😄
we can drink + drive but not vote below 18
atomic ice
*in some states 👀
yeah for some states it's 18, Maryland is passing a bill soon for recreational legality of weed
spare venture
reported that my garbage disposal wasn’t working in my new apartment, i checked the breaker to make sure it wasn’t tripped. maintenance guy found that it was unplugged 😐
magic river
18 states + Guam and DC
spare venture
why tf was it unplugged
magic river
Vast majority of the population of the US can smoke weed legally
magic river
Oh I guess Guam and DC are in the process of setting up their regulations and such for it still, won't be sold until sometime later this year
vernal moth
Here it's still stuck in limbo
Justice dep wants health dep to propose stuff and vice versa
vestal jasper
Ur a pretty bad troll
But you're still taking the bait
vernal moth
Somebody gotta bring justice to this place
vestal jasper
Attention is the name of the game, saying someone's a (bad) troll is just attention
vernal moth
And I can't complain, I got a hookah, a drink, sun and a puppy to pet, am vibing
vestal jasper
Hell yeah that'll be me tonight
golden gust
spare venture
my very old very large manufacturing and mining company stopped drug testing for weed last summer
so the dominos are definitely falling now
vestal jasper
Cat posting anime? Must be senzawa
golden gust
oki doki, boomer
spare venture
i automatically visually filter out anime when i see it
vestal jasper
I'm younger than u
spare venture
doesn’t even register in my brain
not enough brain cells to have them wasted on something like that
magic river
Huh, apparently it's not a majority of the US, Florida and Texas are bigger than I thought
vestal jasper
Yeah if I only had 2 I wouldn't use them on anime either
smoky cloud
(I just find the gif funny please don't crucify me)
magic river
Only around half of people in the US have access to legal weed, not a vast majority
spare venture
western states are very unpopulated compared to east coast anyway
wet storm
I'm younger than u
I am prob the youngest person here lol...
magic river
Vast majority has access to medical though, 71%
magic river
western states are very unpopulated compared to east coast anyway
Yeah but California, Washington, Colorado, and New York have legal weed
I thought that was like half the US by itself 😛
spare venture
i can assure you that the 11 million people in ohio do not have access to medical despite it saying they do
vestal jasper
Bless
magic river
Sure, Washington and Colorado are smol but California and New York, come on 😛
vestal jasper
Do we count Cali?
magic river
So yeah, you need Texas and Florida in there too, otherwise you need a bunch of states
languid garden
california.... new york...
spare venture
60 million out of 330 million are in those two states
languid garden
dude it appears to me that theres a much higher correlation between small states not legalizing it
spare venture
i feel like people assume it’s more like 200 million lol
languid garden
what is the population of those orange states combined really
unkempt drift
isn't this whole thing still uncharted legal areas? like the federal government just isn't enforcing its laws about drugs so states make their own?
languid garden
texas and georgia are likely only ones with double digit mil pop?
@unkempt drift yes
magic river
Iowa is like Ohio then, says legal for medical use on there but it's only like 3 dispensaries in 1 city and only for a small number of predefined illnesses so basically no one has access to it
spare venture
ohio has 11 million
languid garden
ohio has medical
magic river
Or rather Ohio is like Iowa, that's how I should have put that
spare venture
north carolina
magic river
I don't know how Ohio works but Iowa's medical is a farce
spare venture
Pennsylvania
languid garden
spare venture
yeah it’s the same amaranth
languid garden
that sounds like path to legalization
spare venture
boi i lived in ohio for the past 24 years
unkempt drift
see that's an issue for me. Not enforcing laws that exist. Its still illegal to possess Marijuana in the entire US. the federal government just doesn't enforce it
spare venture
it doesn’t have medical
magic river
That passed the Senate in the last few months, did it make it through the House? Did the governor sign it?
If so, has it been implemented yet?
spare venture
we have had some form of medical for years but there hasn’t been an actual way to get it i.e. no dispensaries or way to get it
vestal jasper
Neither do local here in WA. Illegal to have open containers and smoke in public but you'll be hard pressed to find a single cop that'll enforce that.
spare venture
even if that passes, i’ll wait until the first dispensary opens, probably 2025
languid garden
if you want to get rid of bad laws, enforce them.
spare venture
Neither do local here in WA. Illegal to have open containers and smoke in public...
hard pressed to find a single cop in WA
i’m convinced they don’t do anything here
vestal jasper
They can't
spare venture
never seen anyone pulled over, never seen them respond to anything besides a shooting
languid garden
regardless my point is that PA NY CO AZ CA MA VA and NJ might very well make up over 50% of the country
have to do math
vestal jasper
They were just permitted to chase thieves a few weeks ago. Up until that if thieves left the property, they get away.
They can't do shit here now
spare venture
PA doesn’t have legal marijuana
vestal jasper
Who would've thought that giving cops less authority to uphold the law would end up with people getting away with more crimes
unkempt drift
whoa 🤯
spare venture
They were just permitted to chase thieves a few weeks ago. Up until that if thie...
yeah and if you report theft, have their license plate & video of the crime being committed, they say they can’t do anything because i can’t prove they were driving 😂
my work had fucking pallets stolen constantly and we have them on video doing it, police just say “we can’t look into it”
vestal jasper
Half my time at my job is just making sure thieves can't steal shift and that's not supposed to be like that
unkempt drift
pretty sure in texas, store owners can just shoot shoplifters right?
spare venture
i believe washington has castle doctrine
but not for your place of work so i can’t just sit on the roof with a gun 😦
languid garden
looks like 135 and I havent counted mt nv ak
curious about florida medical status
unkempt drift
but not for your place of work so i can’t just sit on the roof with a gun 😦
happened during the rodney king riots in LA. store owners sat on their roofs with guns
spare venture
yeah our only avenue of stopping it is by just putting up fences
languid garden
rodney king riots kinda crazy. most of koreans in la had military training
from what I've read from eyewitness accounts it wasn't black rioters either; hispanic gangs were the ones trying to rob their stores
was such a mess
vestal jasper
Yeah my pallets with expensive stuff can't be on the ground anymore
People have been taking pallets of stuff. ORC and all that.
Shits frustrating because it triples the work I have to do. I have to check for theft daily and it's time consuming.
unkempt drift
what kind of stuff are you dealing with thats being stolen?
vestal jasper
Vacuums and kitchen appliances
spare venture
we’ll have some methed out dude show up in a car and load as many as they can into it before someone runs out at them
vestal jasper
So every individual box is worth $80+
unkempt drift
where does this stuff go? there can't be a big black market vacuum market
spare venture
in seattle there are little flea markets of entirely stolen stuff
vestal jasper
They steal so many things that I'm running out of security devices like spider wrap.
They're all fenced
vestal jasper
Unless it's a stolen flashlight, food, or camping gear, 100% it's fenced.
languid garden
we had something like that in mass
called Mass & Cass, was the intersection of two big streets in boston which became a skid-row
vestal jasper
We have people try to steal full carts of clothes on a weekly basis. Petty theft 15+ times a day.
languid garden
got cleared out this winter
spare venture
the police here just occasionally clear out the camps but they don’t arrest anyone
languid garden
arresting isnt gonna do much
just going to throw people into gangs
sure thy're off the streets but when they come back out it isnt like they're changed people
now they're just tatted and repping the AN or whatever ethno-gang they join
spare venture
well leaving them on the streets to be homeless and continue terrorizing normal people makes sense /s
languid garden
my point is that the prison system rn doesnt reform people
just makes them more violent repeat offenders
spare venture
prison isn’t just to reform
languid garden
im aware of that
but my point is you throw someone like that in the current prison complex and nothing good will come of it
except your pallets may stop getting stolen for a few months
spare venture
sounds good to me
languid garden
but when he comes out and robs a liquor store its not going to have been worth it
vestal jasper
Prison should prioritize reform. The states aren't equipped to reform addicts and you can't make a person get a home.
Thievery should be punished but homelessness is trickier than just arresting them
spare venture
maybe we should charge them for the crimes they commit instead of saying “homeless people are victims and cannot be charged with a crime”
languid garden
then someone gets shot and he goes away for good, sure, but someone still got shot because a methhead when to prison
often times they are
languid garden
i dont disagree with you that its a problem, just wished the gangs got targeted a lot more
war on drugs obviously failed
spare venture
ok but if you commit a crime you should be tried and punished
vestal jasper
Yes
spare venture
that’s pretty normal everywhere else
languid garden
im not disagreeing with you
but other developed nations dont have the gang problem we do in jails
spare venture
you said arresting them will make things worse
languid garden
prison gangs are a huge systemic issue
spare venture
i disagree
vestal jasper
Can we all agree that US prisons are just shitty and need major improvement?
spare venture
agree
vestal jasper
As well as the current handling of theft and similar crimes
languid garden
can agree
spare venture
i have just never lived in a place where homeless people are just allowed to do what they want because they are “victims of society”
and it’s shocking
magic river
US prison system as it exists today is basically designed as a work around for the end of slavery
languid garden
thats a little extreme there
us prison system here was a capitalistic endeavor with no foresight
but idk if you can say it is just sharecropping
vestal jasper
Also I believe one of their points was that arresting them right now would be a net negative. But with prison improvements, that may not be the case
spare venture
i would hate to tell someone who was assaulted by a homeless person “sorry but we won’t do anything because it’d be a net negative to arrest them”
vestal jasper
True
spare venture
ya this a thing exclusive to west coast cities
languid garden
as for that article, the bigger issue is wrongful conviction and a botched judicial process
vestal jasper
Not saying I agree with it, just helping to communicate
magic river
Unsolved problems are hard and multifaceted, news at 11 🙂
Things are fucked either way, the answer isn't to do nothing, it's to fix both parts
vestal jasper
Yeah I had us all agree on that earlier
We agree things need to change and mostly what needs to change
raven basin
My cat is foaming at the mouth and just bit me should I be concerned? 🤔
magic river
Locking up more homeless people without fixing prisons first probably does make things worse overall though
So there is a bit of an order of operations problem
vernal moth
When I leave the politics discussion comes out?
magic river
That's why the "petty" stuff tends to get ignored
vernal moth
I feel betrayed
magic river
I know right, usually you trigger it 😛
spare venture
yeah there’s no good single solution but doing nothing definitely isn’t the one
raven basin
Politics are stupid . Most politicians are greedy Individuals need more power
spare venture
solving the drug issue is gonna be a challenge in the US
raven basin
I think it stupid when a billionare president has to break up familys
spare venture
ok
magic river
I don't know that meth, cocaine, or heroin should be legal
iirc Portugal didn't make them legal, it just decriminalized them
spare venture
yeah the narcotics industry already fucked the country and that’s legal
raven basin
Do you think it being illegal is going to stop people from doing it
spare venture
doesn’t solve anything
magic river
So they go after dealers and fine users or just take their stuff
raven basin
Im not saying they should sell meth in stores
magic river
Their main focus is on rehab
spare venture
“make it legal” is pretty general
raven basin
Im not saying they should sell meth in stores
Oh wait mb they already do pharmacys
spare venture
eliminate the supply and rehabilitate the addicted
magic river
They don't sell meth afaik, they sell amphetamine though
magic river
You can't eliminate the supply, so long as there is demand the supply will happen
raven basin
spare venture
those are what i’m saying the focuses should be on
not saying it’s achievable but if you ignore the supply, rehab isn’t going to solve it alone
magic river
TIL
raven basin
State of education
can't sit in a desk for 8 hours so got pump full of medication
and stimulants
magic river
Usually you get dextroamphetamine, lisdexamphetamine, or methylphenidate
raven basin
Usually
magic river
(adderall, vyvanse, or ritalin)
raven basin
their still virtually the same and taken in the right doses they all have the same effect with some minor differences
magic river
They're all stimulants but iirc meth is way more potent
So it's easier to get addicted to and harm yourself with
raven basin
yep but if you take enough adderall its the same as meth
also literally 90% of everyone who takes adderall and stuff are addicted to it
magic river
Not quite the same but close enough I suppose
raven basin
At least everyone I know
magic river
Well, I've never tried meth but I've had the other stuff for ADHD and they didn't all work the same
Then again I actually have ADHD so my brain don't work right
raven basin
No thats not true
your brain does work right
ADHD literally just makes people not want to focus
barely a mental disability or ailment imo
magic river
Apparently if you start treating it early enough you can more or less "fix" it? Not sure if I'm reading this right
raven basin
thats bull imo
magic river
Studies showing it helped brain development and nerve growth more closely align to "normal"
golden gust
you can grow out of ADHD, afaik
raven basin
Its kinda evil imo that they are prescribing stimulants to people as young as 3
like how do you even know they have adhd
vague lagoon
symptoms??
raven basin
they're are 3
magic river
I don't think you grow out of ADHD, unless the drugs actually do help your brain develop in a more "normal" way
Adults are just less likely to have problems with the hyperactive part of it and develop coping mechanisms for the rest
Whether they realize or not
raven basin
how tf are you gonna tell if they are just not focusing or actually have adhd
like what
for 3 year olds at least
magic river
How do you tell anything about children that isn't an obvious physical issue?
3 is probably too young but I suppose it depends on the child
raven basin
How do you tell anything about children that isn't an obvious physical issue?
You can't unless its extremely obvious like schizophrenia
languid garden
there is a reason the stimulants being prescribed to children here have been banned in most of the developed world
vague lagoon
like?
spare venture
i don’t agree with giving children stimulants but saying adhd isn’t an ailment is wild
vague lagoon
also, here as in the US?
spare venture
yes here always refers to the US cmon
vague lagoon
not banned afaik
atleast ritalin not
in europe^
or, the netherlands to be more specific
magic river
Germany prescribes drugs for ADHD when therapy isn't enough, based on a quick Google search
languid garden
outright banned in japan
most travel advisories suggest not bringing it to europe
trying to find other examples but from wiki lookup it varies
vague lagoon
in Europe it’s those kind require documents, even to go say from NL to Germany
schengen or whatever countries
magic river
Germany has "first-line medication" of Ritalin or Strattera but also has Vyvanse, Intuniv, and Procentra available when those aren't working
So basically all the same stuff you would normally get in the US except apparently not adderall?
languid garden
im just saying as a college student atm ive seen how damaging adderall has been to young people in the us
roommate of mine actually got hooked on pressed adderall (literally meth pills) for half a year
its very much so not something that should be prescribed at all. We need to instead look at the series of inputs that are prompting hyperactivity in children
magic river
Sure, college kids taking it for fun or to try to help cram for a test or finish a paper last minute are likely going to get addicted and take high enough doses to cause problems
The lower dosage used for treatment of ADHD is not that
languid garden
not giving them a chemical compound that is a methyl group away from meth
lament patio
There are other damaging meds that are popular too, e.g. benzos, opioids
languid garden
yea medical industry rn has lost any credibility with the allocation of stimulants or depressants in a responsible fashion
if my doctor cant appropriately prescribe me antibiotics how can I trust him to give my kid meth
lament patio
If misused, many things can be damaging 🤷♂️
magic river
opioids are insanely addictive, the lie was that some of them weren't
languid garden
lol
magic river
Probably summer or fall
languid garden
which server
magic river
Oh, or winter or spring for upside down people
Releases are like 6-18 months apart, pretty wide range of possible dates it could be
They appear to be trying to do 9-12 month cycles but fail sometimes
Did anyone from Mojang say it would be this summer?
wide chasm
I believe it was said that this would be a summer update
Okay, apparently it's just 2022.
magic river
Summer could mean September, that'd be 10 months
raven basin
So basically all the same stuff you would normally get in the US except apparent...
prob because most of those aren't an amphetamine cousin
if I had to guess
magic river
Vyvanse is lisdexamfetamine
raven basin
my bad
magic river
Adderall is a secret blend of 7 herbs and spices three kinds of amphetamine
raven basin
I feel like Adderall is the most related to meth imo
I have heard that most people hate adderall
compared to like ritalin
because it makes them angry and jittery
which sounds close to meth
magic river
lixdexamfetamine is a prodrug that your body converts to dextroamphetamine which is the primary one in adderall
raven basin
Nice
magic river
It just takes 2-14 hours to do this so it has a built in extended release system
languid garden
either fda operative or wikipedia lurker
magic river
I used to take Vyvanse until I moved and my new doctor wanted me to go to therapy for my anxiety before he'd continue the prescriptions I had before
ashen nacelle
you know Geyser 3.0 was an April Fools Joke
ashen cliff
How do you even leak an opensource project?
spiral robin
worn ember
How do you even leak an opensource project?
You sell nfts of it and screenshot them
wet storm
"how not to ruin the architecture immediately" 2 hours 13 minutes 💀
wet storm
Applications architecture is one of the most underrated fields of programming in my opinion, but it is a really huge one. Idk how to feel about it, on the one hand it is really important on the other hand I have life and my time isn't infinite should I as a usual programmer, or whatever I am, care about it?
stuck lynx
How do you even leak an opensource project?
Like this
vernal moth
Applications architecture is one of the most underrated fields of programming in...
Architecture is really fun
livid quest
Hey guys, where can I get help on paperweight
worthy geode
#paper-dev likely
magic river
Applications architecture is one of the most underrated fields of programming in...
Software Architect is generally a senior position on a team, I don't think that's underrated
warm anchor
https://posili.me/i/xRaWjuWP-2022-04-18_22-56-52.png
Gonna be careful now when you switch to paper chan
analog nebula
Is there a channel for like paper server suggestions or general "throwing ideas at the wall to see what sticks" thread?
warm anchor
You are already in it
analog nebula
loooool
warm anchor
Btw the paper wall is very smooth so nothing really sticks 
magic river
Everyone knows leaf is paper-chan
warm anchor
It will forever be a myth
analog nebula
Nonsense! we just need stickier ideas!
warm anchor
It will be really funny if it’s actually leaf though
analog nebula
Does anyone know if there's any like... generic creature pack for mythic mobs?
I installed slimefun, but the problem is that it needs a lot of XP, and spending hours in front of a spawner is slimy indeed, but not fun.
limber knotBOT
Is there any event to get the player's WASD inputs while in a vehicle? I see that MiniDigger made a PR for this in spigot back in 2016 but ofc that ain't in, and wondering if it's somewhere else, or if we gotta still rely on ye ol protocollib for this
spare venture
purpur has ridable mobs that use wasd for control
limber knotBOT
yea don't see any event there either tho
spare venture
ya didnt know if they expose it as api
ashen nacelle
like the aquarium?
spare venture
fishing inspired by runescape with no server branding
ty mcmmo for inspiration
long hinge
Does PaperMC docker run on windows ?
magic river
Docker on Windows is just a Linux VM and docker on Linux
It uses WSL2 for that VM these days
magic river
spare venture
gross
short yarrow
in a distributed system, is event driven architecture mostly just listening to queues and publishing messages to queues when an event occurs?
or can it get more complex than that
high mirage
in a distributed system, is event driven architecture mostly just listening to q...
kinda, there's details in how you make choices about how those messaging queues are used and interacted with
foggy veldt
That text is so aesthetically pleasing idk how to explain it
Well without server branding, I feel like if the server name that you covered was showing it would ruin it
spare venture
system messages need to be differentiated somehow
may change it to a more general “Server”
real saddle
need urgent replay how to load test a minecraft server
how to test if my server can hold 300 people without have them
wet storm
It will be really funny if it’s actually leaf though
Imagine leaf having alt with a furry pfp out of his fursona and where he has joined many furry discord servers, but no one knows that
spare venture
Imagine leaf having alt with a furry pfp out of his fursona and where he has joi...
we already know leafs fursona
coarse lily
Leaf is my alt.
static badge
wet storm
But... what if his fursona is polymorph and he can switch between rat, seagull and rabbit, so he is swallowing himself in these gifs💀
I shouldn't think about this...
spare venture
no, that’s literally his fursona
left swift
yeah leaf is kinda cringe
vernal moth
in a distributed system, is event driven architecture mostly just listening to q...
Well, you most likely want to use domain driven architecture to design your models and stuff
ancient bolt
i prefer "try it and see" driven architecture
golden gust
Ah, yes
vernal moth
Yeah for small stuff that's still the way to go to be honest
I hate people that over engineer a small service
golden gust
The "running tp under the tap and hurling it up at the roof" approach
daring laurel
I hate people that over engineer a small service
its not necessarily a problem with people engineering new things, its that the tools are made to support 500 things that people never need, raising the complexity when in reality most users will only use a small number of features
ancient bolt
in other news, rebasing months-old changes which require changes to a project's gradle configuration where the base branch has in completely redone in key areas is hell
vernal moth
I saw the nice vid the other day, somebody send it to me after I ranted too much about "consultants" (well, near shoring) at work, it's so perfect
https://youtu.be/-c4CNB80SRc
vernal moth
its not necessarily a problem with people engineering new things, its that the t...
That doesn't exist at companies, nobody has time for that
ivory sable
I had the same experience today! Somebody on SpigotMC asked whether it was possible to implement an interface method using a constructor. My advise was to use a type-class pattern which is better supported in Scala than Java because the Scala compiler finds the type-class instances in the implicit scope, but in Java you have to either wire them together manually, or use some sort of classloader/reflection/DI hack.
vernal moth
I mean, java literally has the service loader API exactly for that
And every major java framework has things for that too.
wet storm
I had the same experience today! Somebody on SpigotMC asked whether it was possi...
I came to tagless final in Scala because I needed a simple eDSL for developing mob AI, but this project failed cuz I hadn't clean solution for registering entities and worried about performance of this solution, the code actually looked like DFU, so I came here, looked at Owen's WIP brain API, tried to do something with it, understood that we lost plugin development industry, now I am thinking about making platform independent API (like adventure) defining common abstractions for minecraft's Registry "framework" and resource / data management. I see it is the most problematic and dirty place at plugin development, and it actually affected on development of many paper APIs, not only Brain API. In some commit Machine Maker made io.papermc.paper.registry package where he tried to solve this problem, and for now it used at structure API and better potion API PR. And don't forget that Bukkit also has some registries API...
wet storm
I feel I overengineer something lol
vernal moth
I mean, we need more people with eyes for good apis
My mob goal API is quite something
I would love if we could somehow turn that into something more registry like, but sadly vanilla Is a mess here, they haven't cleaned it up yet
topaz mortar
Biome Builder and interceptor for client side only biomes is a thing, that could spice up a lot.
worthy geode
Client side biomes?
vernal moth
Client side only sounds like hacks
charred sleet
dont we all live for hacks
tender cloud
https://imgur.com/cIz5Cg3
The... fuck?
lavish compass
so, does anyone know a good YAML config library that supports migration and comments?
to my knowledge, configurate doesn't yet
golden gust
configurate supports the former and not the latter
idk of any which do both, given that comments where only a recent addition to snake and generally a clusterfuck of a hack before that, and anything which supports migration with comments is generally either gonna be dealing with snake nodes or be a horror show
cedar spade
mmm discord ported the react native client to android
I love broken DPI scaling and messages being larger than the sender's name
golden gust
I mean, I know shit happens
you can't cover all usecases, etc, etc
but, QA teams should be eligable to be taken to the firing squad
cedar spade
amoled mode is gone too, at least through the old means
I also enjoy the excessive number of animations and the screen transitions that run below 30fps
worn ember
ananas
charred sleet
can i just change an nginx config once it has been set?
charred sleet
yeah for sure
i just didnt really know how it works lol
like whats the point of the sites-available
golden gust
that's just a debian thing
you shove your sites in there and symlink them over, makes it viable to "disable" stuff by just yeeting the symlink
lavish compass
Welcome to nginx!
If you see this page, the nginx web server is successfully installed and working. Further configuration is required.
ashen nacelle
you need to add pages to your nginx web directory
firstly a index.html or index.php
if you dont have php set up you need to set it up or just stick to html
marble lark
i just broke my MSYS2 installation and had to reinstall it entirely for it to work lmao
I was getting a heart attack wondering why gcc suddenly wouldn't compile basic things
ashen nacelle
MSYS2?
golden gust
Think cygwin
ashen nacelle
oh
magic river
Valve apparently took an extra day to actually give my Steam Deck to FedEx
So when I pull up the tracking data it shows a delay since it was originally supposed to arrive on Wednesday
ashen nacelle
marble lark
Valve apparently took an extra day to actually give my Steam Deck to FedEx
well
it's Valve
cobalt cave
herobrine joined my server?
hollow onyx
Whats the best proxy server for mods, travertine / waterfall / hexacord?
marble lark
herobrine joined my server?
search the player uuid if you can, it's probably just someone with the name Herobrine
worn crest
Whats the best proxy server for mods, travertine / waterfall / hexacord?
velocity but currently only up to 1.12.2
hollow onyx
i've got rn but throws error when trying to join mohist 1.12.2
so going to setup another proxy for mods
wide chasm
That is standard, folders are combined together if they don't contain anything else in them.
I believe there's an option to disable that, but I don't remember where.
ashen nacelle
herobrine joined my server?
Herobrine is real
little frost
@untold meadow best kezz
warm anchor
@twin lagoon 
twin lagoon
lilac moon
GURA
lavish compass
@twin lagoon @warm anchor 
lilac moon
<a:pokiloser:912570868075495424>
simp
lilac moon
wet storm
Herobrine is real
Nah, bro, didn't mojank delet it in 1.5.1337 version? /s
spiral robin
@warm anchor
warm anchor
<@177150983258767360>
spiral robin
left swift
aber
untold meadow
<@315570196549074945> best kezz
BESTEST emilia
little frost
@untold meadow bip
untold meadow
bip
wet storm
:executing :weeb-emoji-linking-and-pinging-each-other-task
Imagine if real life would be gradle and you are just task ":living" which will stop someday
😔
left swift
huh
languid karma
Human#stop
foggy veldt
Life moves too fast to be gradle
full rune
Imagine if real life would be gradle and you are just task ":living" which will ...
JVM heap space exhausted 
wet storm
fuck, why did I start thinking about suicide from my own message
ashen nacelle
do you need help? is everything ok?
wet storm
Everything is okay, just tired from many things, started to think that I am living incomplete life spending many time chatting in discord and not doing anything in real life...
ashen nacelle
get out more then step away from the computer and go places. take a vacation.
charred sleet
https://github.com/microsoft/calculator
brb finna pr to ms calculator
worn crest
the description seems sus. no professional host would say "MOTD Ad removal" or "Premium location"
void void
the description seems sus. no professional host would say "MOTD Ad removal" or "...
It is after all a premium version of the free host
falixnodes is a free host but they offer "premium" plans
worn crest
price is too good i guess, but if uptime/support/ddos prot is good, I doubt
void void
price is too good i guess, but if uptime/support/ddos prot is good, I doubt
do you think Bloom Host is good?
worn crest
plus "unmeetered disk space" euh seems like sharing disk space with other dudes xd
void void
plus "unmeetered disk space" euh seems like sharing disk space with other dudes ...
i think they mean aslong as ur not storing 8k porn movies on there u get enough storage
worn crest
i think they mean aslong as ur not storing 8k porn movies on there u get enough ...
not professional
void void
not professional
pebblehost does the same thing
worn crest
idk xd cant suggest a hoster
void void
they have a Fair Use policy and u get unlimited storage as long as everything that is stored on there is essential
left swift
do you think Bloom Host is good?
yes
warm anchor
falixnodes is a free host but they offer "premium" plans
It’s an automatic hard pass
worthy geode
looks really shady
boreal sparrow
What do you guys think about using non-Java server implementations?
boreal sparrow
Is the performance/memory consumption advantage worth the lack of support or mature ecosystem?
glass crag
depends on your use case but probably not in most cases
boreal sparrow
I saw like impls written in rust/go/c++ and was like wew
twin lagoon
no one really wants to invest enough time to reimplement the full vanilla minecraft server in a different language like rust
boreal sparrow
Yeah way too much work
Not sure if you can even write plugins in such languages
Java is much more developer friendly than rust or cpp
mossy vessel
There are countless attempts doing so but they all end the same; if the core contributors vanish, nobody is willing to pick the project up.
wide chasm
If there is a specific part of the server where Java is the actual bottleneck, it's much easier to just write that part in C/C++/something else and then link against that, rather than rewriting everything in that language.
boreal sparrow
Tru
boreal sparrow
I was actually thinking of doing the same in Go though 
to improve my knowledge in the language/networking/etc, not sure if I'm heading in the right direction but it sounds like a cool project
left swift
he will make Minecraft great again
pastel reef
Does Minecraft 1.18.2 run well on Java 18?
And might that be the reason why I'm not getting a preferable framerate?
warm anchor
your framerate is based on your rendering engine...