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novel horizon
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idk why i saved it

limber knotBOT
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chances are it's 99% patched

novel horizon
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yeah

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also it used some ways to spread that are not common today

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it got immediately shut ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

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the other files are cool tho too

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i didnt knew saves were like that ^^

limber knotBOT
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imagine you put a resbutton inside your usb and accidentally run it in the future deleting all files lol

novel horizon
limber knotBOT
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MAGICK LAUNCHER YAAAAAAAAAAAA

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i remember the old time

novel horizon
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yeah

limber knotBOT
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man we are old

novel horizon
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was really nice

limber knotBOT
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yep

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no microsoft

novel horizon
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I still remember it a bit

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idk whats infinitiesloop but others, yeah probably

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WMLL sounds like whats my light level

limber knotBOT
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the servers were more stable back then lol

novel horizon
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well also there was far few things in the game

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but gotta try i want to see whats there

warm anchor
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Make a backup and use paper to load it is probably your safest bet

novel horizon
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is singleplayer a bad try?

limber knotBOT
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it's single

novel horizon
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yeah its just in single

limber knotBOT
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paper splits it into 3 parts lol

novel horizon
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ill run 1.4 or so

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and see

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oh damn thats right lol

limber knotBOT
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the old times

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mojangtricksinteldriversforperformance

novel horizon
limber knotBOT
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compatability mode windows 7

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also use old java

novel horizon
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yeah

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i kinda dont want to install that just for that tho

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but ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

limber knotBOT
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install .zip

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and select java path

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tho finding java7 is hard now

novel horizon
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ew

brave mountain
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I'm using docusaurus, I'm tryng to build my github page with it, and a blog on netlify.

novel horizon
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still error, damn

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oh this works, nice

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what its so fast to load and save/quit world

golden gust
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the software was much dummer

novel horizon
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this is like 10 years old save

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nice house

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also i got cool piston doors

worn crest
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Less features = less to do for your computer

novel horizon
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Yeah, ofc

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but still

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some traffic lights or whatever??

limber knotBOT
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tnt launcher

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pls

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tnt launcher

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or lame

novel horizon
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๐Ÿ˜ฆ

limber knotBOT
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no tnt launcher?

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nooooooooooooooooo

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how could you do this

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im in immesurable pain and my day is ruined

novel horizon
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thats some saves downloaded too

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rktfier?

limber knotBOT
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yaaaaaaaaaaay

novel horizon
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i have no idea how that one works

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like wth

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here's a day detector lol

golden gust
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fucking lazy bastards these days

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You know, back in my day, we opened the curtains

novel horizon
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๐Ÿ˜ 

golden gust
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no fancy schamcicy tech

novel horizon
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hmm

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i opened last world

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but it is like 3 mins and still says converting world

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hopefully it works

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I also have some server here, lol

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okay the world is weird it's still not loading ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

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well, probably it won't work I guess, the world is not big or anything, but it's just converting for long time and nothing happens

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oh it works

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1.8 tho

novel horizon
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Yeah it is

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Like for the name you can tp with @e and some parameters

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on head, idk if name exactly, probably yeah, but I think it works properly only in adventure mode?

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idk about name tho for head like that, not sure

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you can specify blocks on which you can place the button etc.. but idk if the head keeps the name or so

magic river
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@e[nbt={CustomName:Example}] I think?

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Something like that, I don't know the syntax

timber sentinel
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have you tried @e[name=Prisoner]

desert iris
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Anywon know any good /shop and money/curency plugins

vernal moth
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Kinda neat to build a wysiwyg editor for end credits, lol

upbeat falconBOT
magic river
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So according to my work I had to pay taxes in Iowa (where I am) but not Ohio (where they are) but according to TurboTax it was the other way around

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So now I'm paying $$$$ to Ohio and eventually getting almost all of that money back from Iowa

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And then I'll probably find out in a few months I overpaid Ohio and now have back due taxes for Iowa ๐Ÿ˜›

worn ember
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thats what you get for having a blockchain for government

tender cloud
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20 seconds load time with spigot, 6.2 seconds with paper where the heck is the rest of the code thonking

twin lagoon
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the code is all there

worn ember
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we removed all the feature for faster load times /s

charred sleet
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aikars timings are just how long it took to remove that bit of code

magic river
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paper loads spawn chunks async

worn ember
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might have a job sooner than i thought kek

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if i manage to graduate that is

left swift
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aww ded all growed up

worn ember
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college took forever

left swift
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time to leave paper

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thats ur final evolution

worn ember
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i like bullying kids tho sad

left swift
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@ mods

worn ember
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they'd miss me

coarse lily
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I think we'd be okay.

left swift
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thank you ocelotpotpie

worn ember
coarse lily
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Just kidding :)

thorny totem
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Looks like discord is doing its annual cleanup? 9 users left my own discord (they returned all Deleted User) and on my friend's discord 20 left (all deleted users aswell)

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whats going on? o_O

warm anchor
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your server must be small... that happens a lot and on weekly basis

potent wedge
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Really? Why is it saying deleted user though

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Always sad when someone in my DM's randomly becomes deleted user

silver nexus
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any ideas? weird that it had something to do with discord...

foggy silo
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fake malicious image that discord cached

potent wedge
foggy silo
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you can append "malicious code" to pretty much any file and if discord caches it windows defender might freak out

potent wedge
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Oh yeah apparently there's a image that hacks now but Microsoft built in defender is Over powered nothing can get past it

foggy silo
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Even if it's not executed or anything

silver nexus
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ah

potent wedge
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Doesn't matter if it's there it's a threat

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Imagine if it was hibernating until you turned off ms defender even for a second just to start a fussy game

foggy silo
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It's not really a threat if it's just appended to something like an image file

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ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

warm anchor
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There do have a phishing going on with what appear to be a loading image and make dumb user clicks it

true canyon
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Separate thing from that image though

peak ginkgo
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yeah i know that one actually lmao

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You open a PNG and inject a commonly used vbs string to change the desktop wallpaper

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it doesnt corrupt the image, but when the image is cached windows recognizes the VBS and goes "hey you didn't want this btw <3"

peak ginkgo
warm anchor
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handy!

radiant oriole
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wanna know something cool?

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If you paste this into a text file, your antivirus will go apeshit: X5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H*

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AND, if you name it with a .com extension, it'll actually run

glass crag
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Nice try but you won't be hacking me today!

vernal moth
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Aren't the eicar test strings super known at this point

golden gust
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within our realms, yes

vernal moth
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You can embed them in a image and windows defender will scream if you view it in discord

round grove
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If it gets cached then probably yes

vernal moth
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That wasn't supposed to be a question, I know that it works, I just can't English today ^^

round grove
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I thought it was, nvm

worn ember
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never heard of them

vernal moth
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for more info

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if you wanna annoy somebody, download it on a school or work issues laptop which centrally managed anti virus

primal solar
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Does dropping an item load the chunk if its unloaded

vernal moth
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Fucking hell

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The button with the telefon number is not a Tel link

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You had one job

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<a href="/" class="btn btn-primary btn-outline" onclick="return false;"> 0221 - 1687 3320 </a>
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oh come on

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thats just evil

marble lark
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anyone know what in the actual hell this weird linker error is about?

src/hotspot/share/runtime/thread.hpp:139:31: error: '_thr_current' is defined with tls model global-dynamic
src/hotspot/share/runtime/thread.cpp:181: note: previously defined here as local-dynamic
lto-wrapper.exe: fatal error: C:\Users\vertig0\Downloads\msys64\ucrt64\bin\g++.exe returned 1 exit status
compilation terminated.
C:/Users/vertig0/Downloads/msys64/ucrt64/bin/../lib/gcc/x86_64-w64-mingw32/11.2.0/../../../../x86_64-w64-mingw32/bin/ld.exe: error: lto-wrapper failed
collect2.exe: error: ld returned 1 exit status
marble lark
wet storm
vernal moth
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oh right, forgot, people hate human interaction

golden gust
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Well, also, telephone, in engrish

vernal moth
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๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

wet storm
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lemme quckly store telofones into my ruck zack and fahren zum deutschland with zug /s

left swift
frank otter
magic river
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Every time work makes me change my password I send this to our IT dept

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Maybe some day they'll listen ๐Ÿ˜›

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They did at least stop blocking paste for the change password page

wide chasm
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Periodic password changes are so annoying, god

magic river
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I used to have to use inspect element and inject the generated password from bitwarden right in to the value attribute

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Other than the paste part they basically violate everything this says for passwords other than 8 character minimum

golden gust
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Normal :/

magic river
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They don't stop me from putting in worthless passwords (or didn't the last time I tried abcXYZ123 or something), have complexity requirements instead of just length requirements, expire passwords, and until last year blocked paste

golden gust
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Like, it's fun; At uni they did the password reset requirements, "likeness"/reuse checks, etc; and so, at the beginning of the year, I had a damned strong password

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final year, I was literally walking to the library with my password written on paper.

magic river
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But this is just NIST Special Publication 800-63B and what do those people know?

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Reuse checks make it easier to crack passwords

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Now you have N hashes to match instead of just 1 and if you match an old one you can probably just increment a number or something on it to get the latest version

wide chasm
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Where I work you can't reuse any of your ten last passwords, my passwords have become so weak that a toddler could guess them.

magic river
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Right so I have 11 passwords I can try to crack to get in to your account

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Well, I suppose that depends on if the login system tells you if you try an old password

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If I ever got a DB dumb and got all the hashes it'd make it easier to brute force from that end too although you usually have bigger problems in that situation

wide chasm
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Well, I don't think I am at ten passwords yet, so it'd be less for me.

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The registration system just tells you the password is invalid if you try to reuse an old one.

vernal moth
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I am fighting this battle for 5 years now at work

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they just dont care

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they base their stance on old rules that has since been removed

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they know its actively harmful to security

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but then again, they learned about log4shell from me

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my boss still annoys our IT sec dep with "minecraft servers have better security practices than we do"

magic river
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Windows is so shit at hidpi ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

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Every time I wake my monitors from sleep shit is just broken

vernal moth
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I noticed it being way better on win11

magic river
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Sometimes Discord and Mattermost are at native resolution (so really tiny inside a "giant" windows) until I minimize and restore, other times every window gets bigger, Steam randomly floats between monitors and sizes

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This is on Windows 11

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Not an upgrade either, I did a clean install when I got a new SSD

worn ember
magic river
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I know, although I think it got worse

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On 10 Steam was equally messed up but I think things would just all end up on my main monitor, not change sizes and such

vernal moth
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I havent noticed any issues yet

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and I got weird resolutions

magic river
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I have two identical monitors, it's probably because I'm not doing integer scaling

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Or because of the equally broken HDR

cedar spade
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I had issues on 10 with a mix of "normal" DPI and HiDPI, 11 seems to have been more stable

magic river
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Sometimes the monitors seem to come up in non-HDR mode then turn off and come back as HDR

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Other times they just stop being HDR randomly

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Toggling it in Windows always fixes it but...

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I should just turn HDR off and see what happens

cedar spade
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I've had screens flickering and switching between HDR and non-HDR ever since I used the HDR toggle keyboard shortcut for the first time, and I don't even use HDR most of the time

magic river
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It's pretty shit HDR anyway, only really useful for games

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It's too weak for the subtle use of HDR you get in movies, at least the ones that aren't animated

cedar spade
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I usually turn it on to see if I can make any games look good on it, then turn it off when I realise the monitor isn't that great anyway

magic river
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Gotta fix my colors though, with HDR off everything is way too orange

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White balance is fucked

left swift
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what is it called when you get Lower right back pain whenever you move your foot to the right or left

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any donktors

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I think a nerve in my back is fucked up god i want this to end

vernal moth
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oh I dont have hdr, so maybe its that

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I also had more issues when I had monitors connected to igpu and my main gpu

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but cant do that on ryzen so had to buy proper cables when I build this current rig ๐Ÿ˜„

magic river
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HDR is off, monitors are in sRGB mode, it's weird having them be so dim

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Now to let them sleep and see what happens

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They were in "reader" mode before (when HDR is disabled, anyway) which is a very dim orange setting

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They're slightly less dim and way less orange now

golden gust
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One thing am glad about with macOS is that they deal with that fairly nicely

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Though, I mean, they've been doing it for much longer and have the ecosystem tie in

left swift
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ur a big loser

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I have not paid enough tribute to Her so now I am suffering my punishment

wet storm
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terminal or intellij, choose your own workspace everybody gangsta until you see the time /s

vernal moth
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that doesnt seem right

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also not a fair comparison as its two different tasks

wet storm
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and also first task didn't complete cuz I rebooted my pc

mossy vessel
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Imagine your build takes that long

worn ember
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forge took 40m to build on my old laptop lol

wet storm
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I should stop coding something on samsung smart toaster

raven basin
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rasberry pi coder

void void
neon bramble
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sucks

vernal moth
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@wild oar hey, sorry for pining you directly, but I just read your mcmap blogpost and found it really cool! Sadly the number is not representative of the real world at all (I am pretty sure single hosts alone have > 100k servers running), so I dare you to scan all open ports of the internet ๐Ÿ˜›

worn ember
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smh mini pinging people in unrelated discords

vernal moth
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(scanning all open ports would most likely not change the numbers much, as servers behind a proxy will be firewalled off, but still!)

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hey, its not unrelated, paper is mentioned in that blog, lol

worn ember
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am just fucking with ya, gonna read that blog now

void void
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@neon bramble i love you buoyant hippo

vernal moth
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the best thing is the last one, hilbert curve map of the entire internet, mc servers marked, big ASNs highlighted

neon bramble
void void
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you dont love me hippo

vernal moth
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right, drain should make an interactive version of said chart

neon bramble
neon bramble
worn ember
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how tf does vanilla have a 62% market share?

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i guess cuz those never run behind a proxy so they are always identifyable?

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so skews the results

twin lagoon
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there were 500k players playing java edition yesterday

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most people won't be needing spigot or paper

vernal moth
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yep, just count every proxy as 10 paper servers basically

neon bramble
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wtf?

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I've never seen anyone actually running the vanilla server

viscid wedge
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People who don't know any better

vernal moth
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he prolly mapped realms

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also idk if they would use the default port

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but yeah, kids, plus technical players, all use vanilla

neon bramble
vernal moth
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also, not sure if older versions of paper always added the paper prefix to the version

neon bramble
worn ember
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realms does use vanilla servers

vernal moth
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what else would they use?

void void
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used to be aws

vernal moth
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realms is the business case for server optimizations

neon bramble
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oh my god

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Idk I couldn't believe that Mojang would actually use vanilla server

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That must be so ineffective...

void void
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well what else would they use

neon bramble
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I mean, what's stopping them from using Paper?

vernal moth
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complaining players I guess

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but they also dont need it, realms are small servers for friends

twin lagoon
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you're not going to be playing with more than 20 players at once on a realms server

neon bramble
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I guess

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But they could shave their costs by a big margin

twin lagoon
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datapacks can't be used either iirc

vernal moth
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I mean, I would want to learn more about realms

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but

twin lagoon
vernal moth
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realms is capped at 10 players

neon bramble
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ikr?

twin lagoon
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thought it was 20

void void
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(the world)

neon bramble
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well I guess

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TIL

vernal moth
neon bramble
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I learn new things every day here

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smh

charred sleet
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would be ironic if realms used paper tho

neon bramble
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I mean kinda

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But it is exactly what I would expect from Microsoft :D

vernal moth
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microsoft doesnt run realms, mojang does

neon bramble
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ikr?

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But Microsoft manages Mojang

vernal moth
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I would be really surprised if mojang doesnt pay for azure like any other company, at most they got some discount

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else stuff becomes a giant mess accounting wise

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at work, I pay for the containers I run too, and I let my product owners, the marketing team most of the time, pay me so I can pay the containers, even tho they are running on our own hardware in our own basement

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but its just easier accounting wise

charred sleet
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is it? seems like you are a middle man

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that could just as easily be cut out

vernal moth
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well, I sell a package

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my teams work, which consists of ctc budget (aka new features, improvements, products, etc) and rtc budget, which includes both maintenance work and the cost of actually running stuff and licensing fees for other stuff

glass crag
vernal moth
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dont think I have one installed yet on this new machine

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and it happened without adblock before too

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its just dum

glass crag
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Rip

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Very dum

worn ember
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it wants a language

vernal moth
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oh dont get me started on the language handling of that dum website

worn ember
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blaze dont get me started on how M$ always think i'm french

vernal moth
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oh thats not microsoft tech

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then it would work

worn ember
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yeah clearly

vernal moth
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they have some weird custom logic somewhere

worn ember
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who tf puts their lang in the url tho

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somewhere in the middle even

vernal moth
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thats normal

worn ember
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its stupid tho

vernal moth
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dont wanna confuse google with different content on same urls

worn ember
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and really annoying when sharing links

vernal moth
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sometimes it will just endlessly redirect

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like, send me the nl link

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am flagged as DE rn, I bet it iwll cry when I open an nl link

worn ember
vernal moth
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that actually works, so its not that easy to break

worn ember
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MS login does the same too sometimes but with logins which is a real pain

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i hate how MS handles authentication

vernal moth
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wdym you dont want 20 redirects when you login into your azure portal

worn ember
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that is if i can even find the login

vernal moth
worn ember
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try getting to devops

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by just googling it

vernal moth
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browser history to the rescue

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first google link

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u just dummmm

worn ember
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yeah maybe they should make it 8p instead

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and make it the same as the background color

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who actually reads text smh

vernal moth
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thats dark readers fault

magic river
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Neat, SpaceX drone ship landings have video of the landing itself now because they use Starlink

vernal moth
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UX wise thats ok, since you have your primary, your secondary and a link

magic river
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I guess the design of their system makes it more resilient to vibration, it doesn't have to be pointed as accurately as ones talking to satellites in GEO

vernal moth
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at work we adding a not-so-primary button now, that sits between primary and secondary importance wise...

vernal moth
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they did other improvements too iirc to get continuous live coverage iirc

magic river
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They just got video during landing for the first time with the Axiom launch

worn ember
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but thats just me

red timber
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ded that's why you need to read

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not only operate using colors

magic river
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I guess they assume you'll be logged in already?

worn ember
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bruh i dont wanna read i wanna click the login button

red timber
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reeeeee

worn ember
magic river
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Page is optimized for getting new customers, if you're there otherwise you're already lost and if you're not logged in either you're really weird ๐Ÿ˜›

vernal moth
vernal moth
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I rely solely on browser history for all my work

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then you dont have issues like that

magic river
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I just type po and hit enter ๐Ÿ˜›

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Then swear a few times because I'm logged in to my normal work account and not the one that can do Azure admin things

left swift
vernal moth
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I just love how even switching the directory induces 10 redirects

worn ember
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replacing shit with other shit doesnt make it better lol

vernal moth
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I mean, yes, lol, thats why paper exists so you dont have to struggle with vanilla ๐Ÿ˜„

magic river
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Microsoft's web stuff has always seemed to have like 20 layers

worn ember
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yes but i still gotta struggle with the devops page ree

vernal moth
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replying shit with other shit is papers motto ๐Ÿ˜„

magic river
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Like, I remember back in 2001 or so you'd get redirected a few times whenever you tried to do anything on their site

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You'd really notice all those hops on dialup

vernal moth
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oh ded what I mean, if you go to a url that requires you to be logged in, azure will redirect you, so you never need to find the login button, thats what I mean

worn ember
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take Words login for example, its like do you wanna login? and i'm like sure... then its like "well you cant cuz you're already logged in to another account lol"

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you then gotta cancel go to your account page logout there to then be able to login again

vernal moth
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lets leave office out of this, thats I mess I dont wanna touch, lmao

worn ember
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its like that for every MS application, its a mess and i hate it

vernal moth
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outlook on my citrix wasnt able to receive emails in over a month now ๐Ÿคก

worn ember
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oh got citrix

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plz i nver wanna hear that name again

vernal moth
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hey better than using my work laptop

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am surprised that citrix actually handles multiple monitors decently, even with weird resolutions

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plus I skip vpn which greatly speeds up some apps

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so yeah, nothing to complain on that front, lol

worn ember
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its pretty slow when i used it for college but yeah

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might be the vpn part

vernal moth
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I vpn into citrix too

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I dont notice a difference between citirx and native really, just low framerate, so video is a pain, but I have teams on my host anyways

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uuh, just saw that I got the r/place trophies

shell hinge
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thats what I call decent performance

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all players are moving

vernal moth
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heh, new here?

warm anchor
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Kinda odd way to measure performanceโ€ฆ since itโ€™s an ever changing thing. A server that just opened with 100 naked player will run better than an old server with a few big mega bases

twin lagoon
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@viral hornet ๐Ÿฅบ

ashen cliff
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@twin lagoon

viral hornet
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@twin lagoon ๐Ÿฅบ

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My God

twin lagoon
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KRUSIC!

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BRO!

wet storm
warm anchor
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AYAYARie @twin lagoon @viral hornet

ashen cliff
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BRO!

warm anchor
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Thatโ€™s really cute but why is the water white?? @twin lagoon

twin lagoon
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have you considered it being milk

warm anchor
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Nโ€ฆno..

vernal moth
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eww, gross

tender cloud
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the temptation to write some code for paper is going like crazy.... what

twin lagoon
tender cloud
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does paper accept pr's? ๐Ÿค”

wet storm
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Yes

twin lagoon
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no paper is a closed source proprietary organization

wet storm
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Paid spigot fork /s

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CoronaSpigot alternative

tender cloud
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paper is too fast i need to slow it down

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nah, i'm just gonna make a QOL feature (hopefully)

wet storm
#

Make for (;;) {} in some tick() method and you'll easly slow it down

tender cloud
#

I do hope paper uses Java 17

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oh no, i fucked up ๐Ÿ™‚

ashen cliff
#

It uses Java 1.17.

wet storm
#

I mean, even vanilla 1.18.2 uses java 17

viral hornet
tender cloud
#

It's just gonna be a thing in the Player thing, to make it easier to purge chat ๐Ÿ˜…

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And i think i found a problem with the repo

ashen cliff
#

Like kicking the player to clear the chat?

tender cloud
#

No no, like you know in some players you get it so you can type /clearchat?

warm anchor
#

Thatโ€™s more suitable to be plugin

tender cloud
#

I'm going to (hopefully) make a quicker method to do it within paper

warm anchor
#

And there are already existing plugin that does it

ashen cliff
#

F3 + D.

warm anchor
#

Completely forgot vanilla offers it too PepeLa

tender cloud
#

I thought it'd be tidier to be like player.clearChat(); :/

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I feel the need to try and give back to paper a bit after how much it's helped me

spare venture
#

the api doesnโ€™t really have any chat moderation convenience functions

twin lagoon
#

keep bstats enabled and/or donate to the project if you want to help it out

spare venture
#

i would focus on api changes that would fit with the goals of the project, see the requested features on github maybe

tender cloud
#

I don't know if me contributing any code would help? :/

warm anchor
#

You can look at feature request and do those

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But the chat thing you suggested isnโ€™t really gonna workout as there is already an existing vanilla commend and plugin can also do that already.

tender cloud
#

Just curious, has the setting up of the paper environment (code wise) been made easier or is it just me?

twin lagoon
#

it is easier

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1.16 introduced the switch from shell scripts + maven to gradle

wet storm
tender cloud
#

Before I found it really complex and now it's just running 1 gradle command?

twin lagoon
#

correct

tender cloud
#

I swear it was like do this, then do that then do this then do that, etc

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It used to take me 15 minutes to work out how to do anything and now it's just applyPatches

tender cloud
#

I was gonna ask a question but then I stopped myself because it was gonna be likely the dumbest question ever and you would all laugh

twin lagoon
#

๐Ÿคฃ

tender cloud
#

I might as well share it to let you laugh...

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"How do I import paper into the Paper project?" ๐Ÿ™‚
Yep.

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I feel like I'm going back to scouts spending 10 minutes applying all these patches. (it's called patches what you get... right?)

twin lagoon
#

after applying patches it generates two git repos

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paper-api & paper-server

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those are the actual useful repos

tender cloud
#

If only we could add a feature where if you join using a certain UUID it stops you from joining pepeArmsUp

twin lagoon
#

what

tender cloud
#

so have a list of people who have done stupid things and if they try joining stop them ๐Ÿ™‚

twin lagoon
#

there is one built into the vanilla minecraft server

tender cloud
#

I mean global ๐Ÿ˜‰

wet storm
twin lagoon
#

that thing too has existed for years but no one uses it

tender cloud
#

๐Ÿค”

ashen cliff
#

MCBans.

tender cloud
#

i thought that was a joke thing what nobody touched

ashen cliff
#

It was.

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I got banned from a bunch of servers... that I never even played on back in the day.

tender cloud
#

Could paper implement that then or is it too unreliable?

wide chasm
#

That sounds more like plugin territory.

wet storm
#

I think that paper territory starts when plugins use nms and paper can make an abstraction for API support without breaking changes in future

twin lagoon
#

there is 0 reason why paper should be touching anything like that

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and there are reasons why no one uses mcbans

tender cloud
#

i got 10/10 rep on mcbans so i think that's good?

twin lagoon
#

because no one uses it

tender cloud
#

Could paper ever become multithreaded or impossible?

twin lagoon
#

it already uses multiple threads where possible

worn crest
twin lagoon
#

and that

wet storm
#

even minecraft classic had 5 threads handling something and created a new thread for every player connection define multithreaded

twin lagoon
#

throwing more threads does not necessarily solve anything

tender cloud
#

Ok, sorry. I'm still learning a lot of java stuff ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

spiral robin
#

@twin lagoon rieahegao

twin lagoon
spiral robin
#

ahego

wet storm
#

do pleading pls ๐Ÿฅบ

left swift
worn crest
spare venture
#

but having more threads in my toolbox makes machine run good

tender cloud
#

Wait, I just noticed something in the code what I can't get normally ๐Ÿ˜”

warm anchor
#

@spiral robin yuaHappy

tender cloud
#

You also agree that tacos are tasty, and the best food in the world.
Why does this never appear in my eula.txt?! ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

spare venture
#

some nerd really liked tacos

tender cloud
#

Don't we all?

silver nexus
#

Depends on the taco

wet storm
#

non blocking concurrency is a powerful thing, but most people can't understand at least blocking one, so ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

silver nexus
#

Overall, I've liked more tacos that I haven't, so I'd say I like tacos.

wet storm
#

I've never eaten tacos...

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help me

silver nexus
#

How? How have you lived, and never had a taco...

twin lagoon
#

haven't had a taco before either

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nor an actual proper burrito

silver nexus
#

interesting

wet storm
#

soup > taco /s

silver nexus
#

soup is meh

wet storm
#

Bread is the best food ever /s

vernal moth
#

New telegram bots be like

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Imagine discord having this much control

wet storm
# vernal moth Imagine discord having this much control

But, with discord you can do a really fancy things too. I have a friend who makes a weeb server with really fancy things with JDA, like thread control where people can have blogs in threads, or games like 2048 and many others which I don't know...

vernal moth
#

This is literally a website embedded tho

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There is nothing you can't do

wet storm
#

fuck, why is 2048 so attracts

viral hornet
#

that is very attracts

wet storm
viral hornet
#

@static badge wen ๐Ÿฅบ

static badge
wet storm
# static badge

seagulls don't care about rat properties anyway? ๐Ÿฅบ

waxen panther
static badge
#

i don't need to hide my teeth

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unlike you

waxen panther
#

neither do

#

i

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At least I donโ€™t hide from women

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(Unlike you)

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(They hide from you also)

static badge
wet storm
worn crest
#

i got raytraced into a big network ๐Ÿ˜ฎ methods i never known before. the bungee directs the player on a own java app and there are the normal bungee plugins and that directs to the gameserver. i'm happy ๐Ÿ˜„

worn ember
charred sleet
warm anchor
static badge
#

YEAH I TOLD YOU

mossy vessel
#

Visiting jomps bathroom be like

static badge
#

THEY TRAVEL THROUGH THE TOILET

warm anchor
#

You shouldโ€™ve gave your rat more training on how to swim so it didnโ€™t end that way

red timber
wet storm
warm anchor
#

Yeah itโ€™s crazy to me but I donโ€™t live in place with rat problem

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A lot of newer toilets also has catches that has turns so idk how a rat would be able to navigate through them

silver nexus
#

We had a rat running around our house for a good month or two. That thing ate a 5 pound bag of butterscotch I had, and I was sad for a week because I didnโ€™t have any more butterscotch.

warm anchor
#

Those fucker eats everything I heard

wet storm
#

I have silverfishes in my toilet and bath rooms, they are really small and fast, it often annoys me when I meet them, but it's fine that they don't hurt people like in minecraft lol

spiral robin
#

@mossy vessel pleading_face_with_3_hearts PES_CowboyLove

ashen cliff
#

Have you tried cleaning?

mossy vessel
#

Good morning aber

tropic flame
#

/s

ashen cliff
#

What about a snake?

#

I heard they really love eggs.

brave mountain
#

water rat

golden gust
#

Yes

brave mountain
#

with the water flow must have died

spiral robin
#

@viral hornet

errant rock
#

Seeking recommendations for affordable MC server host. Have any?
My 90+mod modpack is lagging on my current service, which is charging about USD $20 for 4 GB RAM, which already exceeds my tiny budget.
I suspect I need >= 8 GB RAM, but there's no way I can afford that.
I also welcome questions or other input.

quick marten
#

@errant rock My advice would be to look into EnviroMC. They have a discord you can go to ask questions

warm anchor
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Those modpack donโ€™t come with performance in general and no amount of cpu power can handle them. (Trust me I used to host mc eternal PepeLa

quick marten
#

Bit of a question is there a paper server ram Calculator? Preferably one that is not tied to a hosting provider

warm anchor
#

@quick marten from 4-10G pick your magic number

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Itโ€™s a magic number because there are too many factors but generally 10 will handle 99% of server.

errant rock
lament patio
quick marten
warm anchor
#

Thatโ€™s still too much factors

lament patio
warm anchor
#

Vanilla experience with 100 naked player vs 10 people who spent 1000 hours with mega base will give you different answers @quick marten

quick marten
#

Got it

warm anchor
#

Tools like timings (built-in) on paper or sparks can be used to monitor your ram usage but in general, you gonna hit the cpu bottleneck way before ram is an issue (unless you are using less than 1G or some crazy rough numbers

magic river
#

100 players locked in a 500x500 box will be different from no world border

#

view-distance of course changes memory usage

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Lots of factors you can't just make up some numbers for

warm anchor
#

Tell that to many poop host PepeLa

magic river
#

Factions servers probably use less RAM than pve survival servers since everyone turtles in a few bases

errant rock
warm anchor
#

People are largely misinformed because most of those host upswell ram as performance boost

warm anchor
#

Enviro is that one selling you trees or something right?

#

With that gimmick

lament patio
#

Yeah

warm anchor
#

Probably decent then

#

Usually if itโ€™s mentioned a lot in #paper-help itโ€™s negative PepeLa

vestal jasper
#

I've had multiple times where a single player and their base made numerous times an impact vs the entire rest of the server.

unkempt drift
#

how does one disable the new intellij phantom line stuff?

#

this stuff

#

like it was just added right?

granite flax
#

right click it

unkempt drift
#

oh wow. clearly didnt try that

#

ty

worn ember
unkempt drift
#

well its messing with my perception of line spacing

warm anchor
#

yeah idk why the botton one is over the text

#

lol

spiral robin
#

Yeah I disabled that right away pepela

#

I can see it being helpful but def not all the time

worn ember
#

I like it. It's been on rider for a while

foggy veldt
#

In vscode I change it to display inline for same reason

lilac moon
#
* {
    display: inline;
}
ancient bolt
#

Yeah I like the inline but the line spacing issue is bizarre

#

I feel like it wasn't always like that in the EAP...

#

If you remove or move around annotations on a method it can get really messed up

#

And sometimes no inline annotation will exist at all but the space will still be there blank

vernal moth
#

it started happening to me in the beta builds I think

ashen cliff
wide chasm
#

Immediately disabled those inlines once I updated, I find them completely unnecessary.

worn ember
#

can be helpful for team projects

wide chasm
#

For team projects I can see it being useful, but for personal projects I don't need to see that I wrote all the code.

ashen nacelle
#

Happy Easter Everyone

wide chasm
#

Happy Easter

meager tusk
#

Happy Easter

tender cloud
#

Can't wait for Easter Sunday!!

twin lagoon
#

@waxen panther

waxen panther
#

WHAT do you want

twin lagoon
#

wtf so rude

waxen panther
twin lagoon
#

why are you invisible ?

#

you hate me ?

waxen panther
#

its my new lifestyle

#

offline andy

twin lagoon
waxen panther
#

why are you on Available ?

#

are you Available ?

twin lagoon
#

i am

waxen panther
#

interesting

twin lagoon
#

@warm anchor AYAYARie

left swift
wet storm
brave mountain
#

Don't tempt

warm anchor
#

@twin lagoon AYAYARie

magic river
#

ML models to analyze your project's dependencies and pick the "best" versions to use rather than just the latest or whatever ones were the latest when you started working on it

edgy wind
#

how can i run .bat file without adminster?

golden gust
#

I mean

#

you don't need to be an admin to run a bat file

twin lagoon
#

you double click it

edgy wind
twin lagoon
#

are you the Administrator user

edgy wind
warm anchor
#

are you on windows?

edgy wind
#

yes

#

win10

golden gust
#

I mean

warm anchor
#

you aint actually admin though

golden gust
#

is it the bat file

twin lagoon
#

are you the Administrator user on windows

warm anchor
#

even though it says so

twin lagoon
#

or a separate user

golden gust
#

or something that is running in the bat file?

edgy wind
warm anchor
#

windows has that dumb admin and super admin shit PepeLa

golden gust
#

Cos, like, as said, unless you have some weird setup, you don't need admin to run a bat file

twin lagoon
#

literally click on the start menu button

#

see what user you're logged in as

golden gust
#

if something which is in there needs to run as admin, then it will generally prompt you, or you've gotta do it manually

#

otherwise, I think that there was like a run as command or something, idr

#

(part of the sysinternals stuff, i think)

edgy wind
magic river
#

Did you go into the compatibility properties for the bat file and/or one of the executables it runs and check the "Run as Administrator" flag?

edgy wind
#

i already checked it but none

golden gust
#

I mean, stuff doesn't just magically run as admin

magic river
#

I guess Windows just sucks then

golden gust
#

idwtf you've done but it sounds like you're barking up the wrong tree

magic river
#

Install a real OS

#

(run it in WSL2)

twin lagoon
#

am still waiting on what user he's using

#

could just be some shit vps that defaults to using Administrator

magic river
#

Why would you put Windows on a VPS?

edgy wind
twin lagoon
#

plenty of people are incapable of using linux

magic river
#

You mean plenty of people are incapable of running servers

twin lagoon
#

correct

edgy wind
crisp sinew
#

yes

twin lagoon
#

well then no shit you'll be running as administrator

edgy wind
#

oh ok i will find a way to disable it or make new one

twin lagoon
#

you're supposed to create a new account

crisp sinew
#

bigbrain

edgy wind
void void
#

Should i get more ram

#

I have 12gb and about 15 players

#

online

twin lagoon
#

no just fix your memory issue as mentioned in paper-help

#

somethings eating your memory, anaylze the heapdump and find out what it is

void void
#

I already did

twin lagoon
#

you won't be needing more than 12gb at 15 players

golden gust
#

I mean

void void
#

i have like 108 plugins so idk really

golden gust
#

You can waste your cash and keep throwing ram at it

#

or, you can try to work out what the issue actually is and fix it

#

Like, we cannot comment on info we can't see, you clearly have a memory issue

void void
#

the leak suspects thing in mat isn't really useful for me rn

golden gust
#

I mean, leak suspects is generally hit and miss

void void
#

Where should i look?

golden gust
#

At the actual data view?

void void
#

so, histogram?

golden gust
#

idk what MAT calls that stuff, I use yourkit

void void
#

the thing is, i can't find much on google

#

most of it is just java and not minecraft

golden gust
#

Fun fact: Minecraft is java.

void void
#

i know

#

thats not what i meant

golden gust
#

So, all of the info around how to use these tools will be written for the wider ecosystem

#

ofc, you're gonna need some context of stuff

#

i.e. chunks eating a good portion of ram is literally the norm

#

But, I mean, we can't comment on what we can't see, as I've said 200 times now

#

We can't tell you how to fix your server based on the memory dump as we can't see said dump

twin lagoon
#

Ok

waxen panther
warm anchor
ashen latch
#

what is a popular minecraft proxy?

#

i'm testing cosmic guard, is that good? and are there better alternatives?

waxen panther
#

No and yes

#

Use velocity

warm anchor
#

Use velocity

ashen latch
#

o

warm anchor
#

@waxen panther stop copying me

waxen panther
#

No need for a random mc market scam fork

#

MINE was first on my phone

ashen latch
#

nonono sorry not that kind of proxy

waxen panther
#

Oh pepela

warm anchor
#

Your phone LIED to you

ashen latch
#

i'm using hetzner to host, and i've had routing issues too many times

#

today it's been unplayable for everyone except for swedish players

#

so i tried Cosmic Guard for different routing, and that works good

#

im just wondering if there is something else I should look at instead

waxen panther
#

Iโ€™ve forgotten the name of the good one

ashen latch
#

before I pay for anything

waxen panther
#

@twin lagoon what is it

twin lagoon
#

@meager tusk

#

but yes cosmicguard is fine and the cheapest option at a low player count

ashen latch
#

it's still like $20/mo for 20 players

twin lagoon
#

that's the cheapest option out there

warm anchor
#

It may just be a temporary issue idk about spending right away

ashen latch
#

yeah but it's the third time we have something like this ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

twin lagoon
#

you get what you pay for

waxen panther
ashen latch
#

also had a ddos attack yesterday

#

some script kiddie ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

warm anchor
#

Time to rebrand the server to โญ๏ธSwedish onlyโญ๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ

ashen latch
#

lol

#

it's almost exclusively icelandic only

#

two swedish players, they can play just fine but everyone else can't ๐Ÿ˜›

warm anchor
twin lagoon
#

could be it

#

last time there were some issues to their network in general when there was a backbone connection fault

golden gust
#

This is not the place for solicitation

waxen panther
#

this is not the place for electric cat square bracket open no dash ping square bracket close

brave mountain
#

why your destiny is poor player?

twin lagoon
#

thoughts

waxen panther
#

Iโ€™m goated actually

twin lagoon
#

poor player ?

waxen panther
#

The games speak for themselves

#

Ignore the .2

#

Smile

left swift
#

ur trash

waxen panther
#

Interesting

left swift
#

crutch meta player

#

bait ur team

waxen panther
#

I actually do not use the meta

#

And I do bait them yes

#

But theyโ€™re shitters

left swift
meager tusk
twin lagoon
#

needs more balkan core routers

brave mountain
#

Oh destiny is actually the game

waxen panther
golden gust
#

cope harder

radiant oriole
#

Wanna start?

spare venture
#

do balkans export anything other than nba players

golden gust
#

Yes

#

they export slavs

native wolf
#

quite literally lol

#

aside from all the jokes, the sad reality here is that people are leaving to other countries mainly because of money etc

meager tusk
native wolf
pearl flume
#

Hello

#

Can somebody tell me for Tab plugin for Infinite Vouchers

upbeat falconBOT
warm anchor
#

wtf

pearl flume
#

Tab for InfiniteVouchers

worn crest
#

the right side is completely useless i guess

twin lagoon
#

a lot of them don't have much relevance so it's not too surprising you haven't heard of some

#

magma isn't really a fork

spare venture
#

its more confusing to have proxies on there

twin lagoon
#

that map/chart/whatever in general is horrible

#

that's patina/yatopia/mirai

#

no they ceased existing

#

yatopia got bullied away

#

patina is yatopia but mcmarket

#

mirai is pepega / basically yatopia 2

spare venture
#

there apparently will always be a prooject that just takes patches from everything and hopes it works

#

lol theres a lot more stuff named mirai

void void
#

Pretty bad name to choose in this community lol

upbeat falconBOT
spare venture
#

no

wet storm
#

what do you guys think about non-blocking concurrency? Is it hard to code, and when people should use it?

magic river
#

You should use it for all IO since that's what it's for

#

TIL in the 60s and again in the 00s women competing in the Olympics had to submit to a "nude parade" where multiple people would examine their bodies to ensure they weren't men/trans

#

In between they used a chromosome test instead but too many athletes were AFAB women who had Y chromosomes

#

And now they apparently use a testosterone test but might also still do the physical exam?

cunning raft
#

@waxen panther @twin lagoon

twin lagoon
#

@cunning raft

warm anchor
waxen panther
twin lagoon
#

hope you reset that github token

#

hope you reset whatever token that was

#

if it was public you wouldn't have censored it

spare venture
#

i am not an expert on that but i donโ€™t think it would work the way youโ€™re implying

twin lagoon
#

@warm anchor

warm anchor
#

hello

twin lagoon
warm anchor
#

what's going on

twin lagoon
#

idk

viral bone
#

hello, I have the server in vanilla. Does anyone know how to change that? I already put mods and plugins but it doesn't go away. It appears to me in a part that is vanilla and I don't know how to change it.

lament patio
#

You need to replace the server.jar itself with something that's not vanilla

brave mountain
brave mountain
warm anchor
#

We got the cutest emojis AYAYARie

worthy geode
#

also for some reason an audio version of the server rules by a rather large VTuber paperOhhh

warm anchor
brave mountain
#

one staff has pixiv, I like it

warm anchor
#

he took cares of all artworks in my server happy

teal raptor
#

btw is there a reason every bigger server spoofs /pl // /plugins

warm anchor
#

They believe in falsehood of security by obfuscation or they simple do not want other server to find out they were just use all the free-plugins AYAYARie

#

or the plugin they used do not register permission properly so they have to forcefully block it

teal raptor
#

1 - i could believe that... but what do people explain to them that they think that
2 - everyone playing on more than one server or hosting a server knows that its all just the same plugins
3 - that would be a good point i guess

edgy wind
#

i installed paper bat file on d driver and now i get this error (without administer acc on window) also i tried to run bat without rooted

edgy wind
#

seems like d driver can't do anything (read modify delete) without administer (when i was on administer acc works fine but it always run bat as admin(rooted)
and i tried to change d driver owner / paper folder owner but when i click change nothing show up (pop up) about that

left swift
#

@worn ember happy easter

wet storm
#

I watched a speech from roman elizarov (iirc he is one of the creators of coroutines in kotlin) about non-blocking structures, now I am confused about complexity of implementing waiting in non blocking style, especially about AbstractQueuedSynchronizer class, which he used as an example for implementing wait() notify() functions without locks, but at least I starting understanding basic concept: cycle with CAS operation. (CAS Originally goes from VarHandles) have anyone there messed around such stuff? Do you know some resources (articles/blogs etc.) to additionally read about this theme?

lilac moon
wet storm
potent wedge
# lilac moon

What about no object based programing languages at al

crystal lilyBOT
potent wedge
#

(โ•ฏยฐโ–กยฐ๏ผ‰โ•ฏ๏ธต โ”ปโ”โ”ป

wet storm
lilac moon
#

rust is pretty cool imo

#

just the language, not the whole rewrite every single program in rust sort of culture

potent wedge
#

I know someone who was learning rust yeah he's kinda exhausted with that too

neon lodge
#

Anyone knows a Java lib similar to AWT and Jcomponents but working on mobile (Android) and with a better look

meager tusk
twin lagoon
stuck lynx
#

c++ is pretty cool, imo

wide chasm
#

As long as I don't have to use it, yeah then it's pretty cool.

stuck lynx
#

python is pretty cool, imo

#

javascript is pretty cool, imo

#

lua is pretty cool, imo

#

java is pretty cool, imo

#

c is pretty cool, imo

#

x86 assembly is pretty cool, imo

#

scratch is pretty cool, imo

wide chasm
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Java is nice, C is elegant, Python is pretty good, Lean and Haskell are neat, don't really care for other languages.

stuck lynx
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Java: hehe this discord
JavaScript: embedded
Python: gud backend, speedy coding, ez debugging
Html: ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐ŸฆŠ
Css: layout
C: bare-bones
C++: bare-bones++
Blockly: when u r too lazy to code JavaScript

smoky cloud
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PowerShell: Invoke-PainAndSuffering

red timber
lilac moon
wet storm
atomic ice
meager tusk
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blocked

atomic ice
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Lol

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Wait, I have a file for you to look at

meager tusk
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no

atomic ice
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Amq learn rust

left swift
atomic ice
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That repo works btw, just have to impl play packets

rare python
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POV Ditching Velocity in favour of Waterfall because the TabList api basically does not exist.

atomic ice
rare python
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So my hands are tied.

atomic ice
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Smh

rare python
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As soon as Velocity has a better API for it though I will jump back over.

worn ember
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Velocity api? blaze what api

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they basically wanna keep it bare bones and they tell you to download plugins that dont exist

rare python
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Ya... I wanna use it, but having a TabList api that is actually usable is a deal breaker.

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So waterfall it is.

wet storm
# atomic ice Amq learn rust

Ah, wanna learn it, but for now I can't come up with any usage for myself, rewriting something in rust is wasting of time, I can do some expirements with native things, but for doing them I need to know many syntax things, which I need to learn before these expirements with something else...

atomic ice
atomic ice
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Simple learning, thatโ€™s how I do it

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Being polyglot is fun

rare python
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Also Velocity's backend server Join / Leave events are spaghetti

atomic ice
rare python
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Well it does not matter right now, I am jumping ship to Waterfall for the time being.

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I can work with a spahhetti API, I can't work with an API that just outright does not have what I need.

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As soon as what I need is available I will return to Velocity...

atomic ice
wet storm
# atomic ice Being polyglot is fun

Oh, I don't think it's fun, for now I know Java and Scala and I don't wanna learn some scripting languages or anything else, I learnt scala because I needed fancy abstractions which aren't available in java, but also has good compat in java without messing around with interpreters / JNI or other weird things...

rare python
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At least I don't have to worry about the security issues of waterfall because my stuff uses docker and the backend servers don't have there ports accessable from outside the container.

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Plus there is a firewall and all that.

atomic ice
wet storm
mint meadow
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Hey, my internet was lagging out and when i rebooted the router it changed my ip as normal but now nobody can access my servers.
Any ideas?

atomic ice
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obviously it goes beyond "style", but to each their own

golden gust
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wan1

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10.x.x.x

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er, that's a private non publically routable IP address

mint meadow
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thats what the router says on the webpage

atomic ice
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I'm by no means knowledgable at networking btw

mint meadow
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it wasn't like that before

golden gust
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I mean, 10.x is a private network IP

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unless the ISP is doing 1:1 mapping, no, that's not "normal" outside of a CGNAT

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if CGNAT, glhf

atomic ice
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@mint meadow do you use k0s?

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0.0

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that looks like it's in the k8s ip range lol

mint meadow
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what?

golden gust
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10.0.0.0 is a private network

mint meadow
golden gust
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They're being dumb

atomic ice
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nothing - ignore me lol

golden gust
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10.x is a reserver private network range, i.e. not routable on the internet

golden gust
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it's commonly used for, well, private networks where they need lots of IPs, i.e. offices, ISPs, etc

atomic ice
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Important! If your ISP provides you with an IP address from the list above, you will not be able to set up a connection to your home network computers and servers from the Internet, because private IP addresses are not routed (not accessible) on the Internet. If you need to access your home network computers from the Internet, you must contact your ISP to obtain a public IP address.```
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seems like you should contact your ISP

golden gust
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seeing a private IP address on a router generally implies that the router is on a private network, i.e. as commonly seen behind CGNAT

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many ISPs are moving towards CGNATs due to the IP address shortage, so, who knows, maybe they're mid switch over; You'd need to ask them, assuming that that is an ISP issued router and you've not got some weird network setup at home

mint meadow
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oh well

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bc before that everything was working normally then this happent

magic river
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Apparently your router rebooted to a vastly downgraded internet connection

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Your ISP is charging the same money for worse service

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Although you can't even complain, running a server is against the ToS of most consumer ISP plans

mint meadow
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atleast my bandwidth speed is the same

wet storm
# atomic ice well, you have to go from "is it worth it" to "what will I learn" in broader ter...

Yeah, that's why I learn more styles and technologies rather than languages, I can represent, for example, tagless final both in java and scala after I learnt it in Scala, (yeah, in java it has less abilities than in complete functional languages, but minimal abilities are possible) I know reactive programming in Java with Project Reactor, I know a bit of meta programming with ASM in Java, for now I am learning non-blocking concurrency, and I think if I learn it once I'll be able to use it in any other languages which support it.

mint meadow
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Do you think ngrok with tcpshield would work?

tropic flame