general

[vernal moth]

They aren't a noticable part in the whole community tho

So I don't care

There are only like 5k paper servers on 1.8, so even talking about them is a waste of time

I rather focus on the community that actually cares about progress

Even globally there's only 12k 1.8 servers

https://bstats.org/global/bukkit#minecraftVersion

They are irrelevant

And you suggesting a gamerule means you understand nothing about the code

Adding a gamerule would be horrible, first it would mean reverse engineering 10 year old mechanics, then it would mean you are maintaining two systems for the rest of time
Aka a gaint waste of everybodies time

And people would still not Update cause one detail is different

It really does or people would cry

[void void]

I mean, the 1.8 users aren't moving over unless they can get RSI in the exact same way ^

[vernal moth]

Yes, let them rot

[true canyon]

They've been refusing the future for almost a decade, they don't need a lifeline they need nothing but their own increasingly isolated bubble.

[vernal moth]

Don't talk about them, don't talk to them, don't support them, don't write software for them

Let them rot and starve, they are dying out anyways cause all new players come to modern versions

So the whole model isn't sustainable

You don't need to study business economics to see that

Hypixel is different cause they have their own software

They don't run anything close to 1.8

Also, even hypixel uses paper for some of their modes

Other servers like cubecraft updated part of their network too

It's dying, just wait

Well, a steady decline is clearly visible

[left swift]

[foggy veldt]

I hate these so much, spam console not chat 😡

[languid karma]

But that requires effort

D:

[foggy veldt]

It’s a screenshot from a video, I don’t really play mc anymore but most plugins don’t give u options to disable banners in chat just an option to disable update checking completely + the ones that do have toggles for banners in chat should be opt in not opt out

[marble lark]

RSI?

[glass crag]

repetitive strain injury

[marble lark]

oh

[marble lark]

this makes me feel bad about the 1.7 paper fork that i still keep around somewhere for nostalgia

[true canyon]

There's a really easy solution to this. Update your plugins. lol

[languid karma]

But that requires me clicking my mouse!!!!1!1!11!!!22

[void void]

It’s a screenshot from a video, I don’t really play mc anymore [...]

[languid karma]

Yea I barely update mine but it's a me and my friends server so I don't care

They won't notice

Hopefully

[true canyon]

Yes, I saw. Should I just not respond to their complaint then?

[foggy veldt]

Tru, I think the notifications are good just not in chat

It reminds me of the old Oracle java notification pop ups you would get every day

[true canyon]

If you're getting those every day you're forgetting the easy fix. Just. Update.

[foggy veldt]

I have update days and I have I just wanna do stuff days and I hate when I get notifications on my I just wanna do stuff days ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tropic flame]

or just don't use Oracle Java

although back in the Windows Vista days that was probably not an option

[warm anchor]

Oh god I remember those

[pastel reef]

So can I hook up a SATA III SSD to a SATA II motherboard?

[neon bramble]

you can, but you will get heavily limited

SATA 2 can handle max 300MB/s iirc

Your ssd will probably be faster than that

[tropic flame]

based SATA II user

[pastel reef]

As long as I don't risk an HDD crashing at any given moment, that's fine

[silver nexus]

Teachers get those on their huge touchscreen computers

[neon bramble]

I mean, is your mobo like 15yo?

[pastel reef]

It's not quite the newest

[neon bramble]

Well I can see that

[pastel reef]

But it still works :)

[tropic flame]

https://youtu.be/xj7ThxRsEgQ

Enderman doing public service as always

[neon bramble]

I think making Windows 11 usable is a very simple process

all you need to do is to uninstall it

[tropic flame]

apparently most of Windows 10's UI is still in the system although really buried and parts got broken during the development process of 11

but I didn't know the old taskbar was also there

[neon bramble]

Well the installer contains parts of windows XP

Keeping old things in windows is a very common practice at Microsoft

[tropic flame]

I mean yeah but I figured they replaced the taskbar instead of making it an overlay

but I guess they can't do that without getting rid of Win32

[neon bramble]

wait

so the old taskbar is literally there, just redrawn over by the new one?

This is next level comedy

[tropic flame]

I mean, Enderman calls it an overlay but basically you can switch between the new, UWP taskbar and the Win32 one

with a registry key + restarting explorer

it's not redrawn over but it's still there ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[neon bramble]

well

bloat

[tropic flame]

the new UWP interface is bloat, I agree

[neon bramble]

literally entire windows is bloat

[tropic flame]

if they can't make it as functional as the Win32 one then I'd wish they wouldn't get rid of Win32

iirc programs couldn't add their own context menu options in the new UI in an early stage

some were hacking into the system to do such

idk how it's working now though

[neon bramble]

do UWP things even work in Wine?

[tropic flame]

I have no idea

[plucky sparrow]

um

wha

Nearby scan?

Since when

And what for

[tropic flame]

for adding new friends

probably the same way tinder works or something idk

[neon bramble]

that

seems scary AF

does that mean, that anyone can search up my discord profile if they are near me?

[red timber]

i guess only when you allow that feature

[edgy fulcrum]

Hello! Do you guys know what is the estimated release of 1.19?

[void void]

sometime this summer iirc

[plucky sparrow]

no

[neon bramble]

thank god

[plucky sparrow]

both of you need to be on the same page thing

[native wolf]

nope

Wine only implements the Win32 APIs

[neon bramble]

I mean

not like it matters much

[pastel reef]

If I connect my computer to a phone and my phone has wifi, will it share my data or the wifi?

[warm anchor]

Wut

[neon bramble]

what

[pastel reef]

Ethernet is not an option right now

[warm anchor]

First of all so you know what WiFi mean?

[pastel reef]

So I'm just doing that

Wireless Local Area Network

Oh

I sincerely apologise for my minor intelligence

However then it stops working :I

How do I make it work?

[high niche]

@quasi valley nice mod name

I didn't even know I needed this mod, I've had that issue for a while but didn't think anything of it lol

[quasi valley]

@cedar spade gave the mod its name, thank him

[high niche]

thank you @cedar spade

:P

[warm anchor]

Thank you @static badge ‘s oven

[void void]

I love how it's in the cursed category

I love how that's a category

[high niche]

The unofficial CF->MR mod converter changes the "MCreator" category to "cursed"

I shit you not https://github.com/P03W/Modifold/blob/master/src/main/kotlin/com/github/p03w/modifold/core/MapCategories.kt#L41

obligatory

that's why it's unofficial

[weary burrow]

sigh

[limpid knot]

only when both of you are on the same page

it’s been a feature for like, probably years now lol

[neon bramble]

oh ok

[vernal moth]

Enjoyment isn't allowed

Programming is meant to be suffering

[native wolf]

maybe

idk really

[vernal moth]

https://twitter.com/YTVanced/status/1503052250268286980?t=I6mpB20QOmYMsoDJtAf-8Q&s=19

Vanced Official (@YTVanced)

Vanced has been discontinued. In the coming days, the download links on the website will be taken down. We know this is not something you wanted to hear but it's something we need to do. Thank you all for supporting us over the years.

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Ouch

[golden gust]

ouchers

[twin lagoon]

meh it's opensource

someone will revive it for another year

[vernal moth]

The mods are too?

Iirc I looked at stuff before and didn't find stuff

[worn crest]

didnt changed something xd on the tables itself i didnt do something

[tropic flame]

Vanced itself is not open source, only the Manager app and MicroG

[worn ember]

tf is a vanced

[tropic flame]

unless I'm blind and their GitHub has more repositories

[tropic flame]

YouTube Vanced, a mod for YouTube

no ads, background and popup play

[limber knot]

ok why is the microsoft account creator so shit?!? their confirmation codes are only valid for 10 minutes and they don't manage to send the email in that time frame...

*migrator

[worn ember]

lmao yeah i had that happen too

along with like 35 redirects

[worn ember]

[vernal moth]

Vanced is the only acceptable way to consume YouTube on mobile

It got sponsor block and YouTube dislike inbuild too

[limber knot]

I just use NewPipe, works smoothly on any device you throw it at no matter how old lol

[wet storm]

papermc 3.0

[warm anchor]

YouTube official app sucks balls even if you pay for premium

Still continue to suggest me trash from whatever shit they want to push

[tropic flame]

oh yeah sponsorblock

NewPipe doesn't have that

but apparently there is a fork that adds it

[foggy veldt]

Oof did they give any reasoning? I know twitchMOD is on indefinite hiatus because of the current events. Two big hits for the android ad block / extension app market

[tropic flame]

they didn't say anything explicitly but they claim they "needed to"

you could assume it was Google's doing

[wide chasm]

The comments on that post state that they stated in the Discord that they received a C&D

[foggy veldt]

Oof

[vernal moth]

Copyright law sucks

The C&D is most likely not enforceable

But they don't have the budget to fight it

[weary burrow]

Hello

[limber knot]

or they simply used russian/ukraiian resources and can no longer rely on them 👀

[pastel reef]

Hello, you bored?

[weary burrow]

why u ask

[pastel reef]

Because boredom is a waste of time and I don't want you to waste your time

[cunning raft]

100% is

[vernal moth]

Do they distribute the app or just patch?

[cunning raft]

they're circumventing youtube's tos

[limber knot]

implying that laws are enforcable on the internet...

[magic river]

Pretty sure the last time I looked at vanced I got an apk

Unless that apk is like paperclip and is just downloading, patching, and then launching something else...

[cunning raft]

the DMCA also has provisions preventing you from making any to to circumvent security measures

[tropic flame]

I don't think so

[cunning raft]

vanced circumvent's youtube's licensing through ads model

[magic river]

That's not DRM 😛

[cunning raft]

would be willing to bet that Linus is responsible for it, considering he's a giant YPP partner that recently promoted it

[magic river]

If they tricked Android in to thinking it was the original YouTube that might be

[cunning raft]

a csrf token could be argued to be a security measure

[magic river]

I think you're arguing CFAA, not DMCA

[foggy veldt]

Brb crafting a hate tweet on my Stan Twitter account

[magic river]

If YT didn't want them in, did anything to keep them out, and they got in anyway then you could argue for a CFAA violation which is a felony

[cunning raft]

i am not, 17 US § 1201 "No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title."

[limber knot]

didn't linus advertise vanced though? lol

[magic river]

Yes, kind of

[worn ember]

Never use yt on mobile

[magic river]

Around the downvotes thing, he said the third party version was going to be included in vanced soon

[cunning raft]

yeah, I figure that advertisement got yt lawyers mad

[limber knot]

oh you meant it that way

[cunning raft]

or rather probably music copyright holders

which then talked to yt legal

[magic river]

Then went on a rant on WAN show about how he wanted the video to include instructions for downloading it and such too

[merry talon]

Is this before or after he went on his adblock = piracy tirade..?

[cunning raft]

he's always held that take

[limber knot]

I mean he isn't wrong lol

[merry talon]

you can argue semantics but it's clearly tone deaf to his audience

approaching it that way

[cunning raft]

how is it tone deaf

[limber knot]

I mean he didn't specify that piracy is bad ;D

[cunning raft]

he said it's piracy, but that buying any item of merch would offset all your total adsense in your entire lifetime

he also "pirates" movies as long as he buys a physical copy

[tropic flame]

haha yes so buy a LTT t-shirt and become eligible for ublock origin /s

[weary burrow]

haha

[tropic flame]

don't tell Linus about SponsorBlock

he might have a stroke

[cunning raft]

youtubers don't care about that

[limber knot]

at least their sponsor stuff tends to be a bit related ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cunning raft]

sponsors don't ask for retentions

[vernal moth]

Well, the issue is, he produces content and expects payment, if you don't pay with ads, it's fair to ask for payment with other means

So I think it's a fair stance

Especially as a creator

Fwiw he bans adblocks at work

[golden gust]

oof

[limber knot]

lol

[golden gust]

Well, I mean

I guess he does keep his machines beefed up

Gotta these days if you're gonna do that

[limber knot]

why would you pay your people to male others money?

*make

[golden gust]

I've literally gone on websites where on my phone, I can literally see 4 lines of text

[vernal moth]

Well, it would be dishonest else, wouldn't it?

[foggy veldt]

Aren’t there like ethical Adblock or whatever? Is he against those too?

[golden gust]

I mean, if you're comsuming content from somewhere and earning cash on that, a kickback would be nice

[cunning raft]

there is no ethical adblock

[vernal moth]

The YouTube accounts their employees use have all premium

[golden gust]

Well

[vernal moth]

They are waaayyyy worse

[golden gust]

adblock has their "ethnical ads" program thing

[limber knot]

"ethical" as in "only blocks ads that track you"? xD

[golden gust]

I think it generally flopped, however

[vernal moth]

It's like mafia, pay us or we will remove your ads, lol

[golden gust]

Well, no

[vernal moth]

Nice ads you gave there, a shame if something would happen to them

That's how it started at least

[limber knot]

google's adblock will be the same that they are adding to chrome 👀

[golden gust]

the program was intended to allow websites to carry ads which didn't hinder the experience

far from an ad mafia

and, for the part, on release, it kinda worked

Like, I recall seeing a few sites which switched to text adverts which didn't hinder the content too much

[limber knot]

the people behind adblock plus also own the company that provided acceptable ads

[golden gust]

but, after a good while that was just gone

[weary burrow]

You could install it on few firewalls

[limber knot]

and no other real companies where ever added to the program

[golden gust]

I thought it was more down to individual websites rather than the networks, but 🤷‍♂️

[weary burrow]

network ad block

[limber knot]

they even went so far as create fake forum accounts to creat some community consensus xD

[vernal moth]

The adp company is really sketchy

[limber knot]

wow... minecraft account security answerrs are case sensitive -.-

[golden gust]

oh, damn

Well, part of why everybody moved away from abp

[vernal moth]

Only good you can say about them is that they defended the right to AdBlock in court

[golden gust]

I think even uBlock has a "good list" though

[limber knot]

don't think that's enabled by default though

[weary burrow]

pihole - Network adblock

[limber knot]

doesn't work in lots of cases

[golden gust]

or maybe not, looks like they got rid of that? 🤷‍♂️

lol

one of the annoyances list blbocks snow-fall.js

[foggy veldt]

I just block all because I’ve never seen an ad that I would classify as unobtrusive

You’re browsing sleek dark mode ui then boom white banner with bold red text

[worn ember]

i have non intrusive ads allowed and i see them pop up every now and again not intruding in my space, so thats nice

[knotty sparrow]

how to get swifty role?

[foggy veldt]

What is Taylor swifts star sign

[worn ember]

5

[golden gust]

Too slow ⛔

[limber knot]

god I love when I try to create an account and it tells me that it already exists, then I try to sign into it and it doesn't exist anymore... wat

[worn ember]

MS Auth™️

[knotty sparrow]

🥲

[limber knot]

mfw I try to access the account via the windows mail app https://i.moep.tv/gqwgDKws.png

[foggy veldt]

On my phone I use this pac Adblock and it’s really good only downside is the dev is a weeb

[warm anchor]

That’s an upside

[raven basin]

theres a terminal on ios

also Im looking for a plugin where if you right click a book it runs a console command anyone know of anything like that

or just any item

where if you right click an item it runs a console command

[warm anchor]

This sounds like a very bad idea

[raven basin]

Why

[warm anchor]

[limber knot]

all that work and... https://i.moep.tv/gyHzaWtV.png

[raven basin]

Yeah this migration is literally so stupiud

I lost the account DebitFraud because of it 😦

because i lost email and no security questions

[golden gust]

well, maybe if you didn't commit DebitFraud and kept the account info around

There are some things we've brought up with mojang around this

they've addressed some stuff nicely for us

and been a brick wall for others

[raven basin]

I kind of find it suspicious that they want us to migrate to microsoft accounts

[golden gust]

people wanted basic account security features found elsewhere

such a thing basically required redoing their entire auth stack to get away from the pile of rot nobody wanted to touch, essentially

[raven basin]

Im pretty sure you can do that without using a microsoft accoutn

[golden gust]

they either redid their entire auth system from scratch or just used something which is already battletested

[neon bramble]

[limber knot]

why would a microsoft game not use microsoft accounts?

[neon bramble]

Will the vanced app still be usable?

[vernal moth]

Yes

[limber knot]

also that makes it easier to give all java or bedrock players the respective other version going forward ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[neon bramble]

[vernal moth]

Until kt breaks

[neon bramble]

[raven basin]

maybe because people don't want to create a whole new email when they can just use their regular email

[glass crag]

you can make a microsoft account with your own email

[vernal moth]

Senpai noticed me

[golden gust]

Yea, they're pretty active towards looking at that stuff

[neon bramble]

😳

[golden gust]

and, you gotta admit

IJ is damned fucking awesome

shut up stef

[neon bramble]

Half of MC plugin developers disagree with you

[wide chasm]

Wish they'd fix the inspection for turning loops into System.arraycopy, that's been open for quite a while now

[golden gust]

half of plugin devs are the front line infantry of software development

[neon bramble]

I mean

It's been getting way better for these past few years

[void void]

kyngs is a hippo. can i pet hippo?

[neon bramble]

a few years ago, intellij users were a minority in bukkit circles

[foggy veldt]

Force op 2016

[neon bramble]

😳

you can

[void void]

what does hippo eat?

[neon bramble]

melon

[void void]

how does hippo find melon in africa?

[neon bramble]

😳

[wide chasm]

To add to this, I already check inspections that IntelliJ generates because it wouldn't be the first time that they were wrong, but if you aren't familiar with System.arrayCopy and don't check it thoroughly, then IntelliJ will have put a bug into your code which is annoying.

[neon bramble]

just disable it

[raven basin]

I found what I was looking for vouchers

[warm anchor]

[raven basin]

vouchers are kind of a bad idea in some cases

because if people are duping they can destroy your server economy

really quickly

[spare venture]

this is why backups are a thing 🙂

[warm anchor]

Just employ eager 12 year old to be your staff and hand them out manually

[raven basin]

if someone is serious enough theyll slowly spread out the duped items to slowly destroy the economy over a long period of time

like 2 weeks or more

then the server owners wont wanna reset or may not even have a backup that long ago

[vernal moth]

@quiet mesa can you add me please? :)

[quiet mesa]

i do nothing wrong

[vernal moth]

You have your DMs closed that's very wrong 😂

[quiet mesa]

for avoid appeals DM xd, send request.

[vernal moth]

Ty :)

[twin lagoon]

@vernal moth worth going to gamescom for multiple days?

kinda feel like going to one this year but i don't think it's worth buying a ticket for more than 1 day

[vernal moth]

Depends on what your goal is tbh

Also no idea how it will be this year

[twin lagoon]

yeah idk either

but assuming it is mostly normal and in person

tbf i don't care that much about the games, mainly just want the roadtrip to cologne

never been in cologne, just driven past it

[vernal moth]

Basically, if you plan on actually playing multiple games and maybe even walk around the trade visitor area (which is kinda boring but also kinda cool) you can easily spend multiple days

[limpid knot]

Is cologne a county

[twin lagoon]

no it's a cologne

[limpid knot]

What does gamescom showcase? Upcoming games or is it just a gathering event

[twin lagoon]

oh my god there's a chocolate museum in cologne

don't mind if i do

[vernal moth]

If you just wanna experience the vibe and meet some people, a day can be enough

Buuutt, gamescom also means publishers rent clubs and you can get wasted for free

Sooooooooooo

And ye the chocolate museum is cool

It's on this small island kinda

In the Rhine

And they got a giant ass chocalate fountain

[twin lagoon]

[vernal moth]

It's close to the EA offices

[twin lagoon]

idk i feel like i'd have seen most of gamescom after 1 day

[limpid knot]

Ok fk both of you then

[twin lagoon]

much rather just spend 2 - 3 days in and around cologne

[vernal moth]

The last years I always had the all week all access trade visitor pass

But idk about this year

But if you got hit me up so I can buy you a beer or something

Oh the way from central station to the chocolate museum there's this pub called "Martin's Eck"

Martins corner basically

Actually I think it's called "Martin's Winkel" but Translation is the same

[worn crest]

an expensive travel to an expensive event from francfurt

[twin lagoon]

pretty much the same distance

2 hr 30 by car for me

[vernal moth]

I like the vibe and the meeting people

[warm anchor]

That will be $250 in gas

[twin lagoon]

we'll see in august

[warm anchor]

Lol

[vernal moth]

Bunch of people from all over the country come every year, sleeping at friends in town or on my couch and stuff, we have this big bbq on Gamescom Saturday at a friend's garden and just enjoy the week together generally

[golden gust]

if you're brave enough

[vernal moth]

So it's not as much about the actual con but the friends we made along the way or something stupid like that

[warm anchor]

Has mini meet zcat yet?

Or he just show up in your house and shit on your rug unannounced?

[worn crest]

who has friends in cologne 💀

[twin lagoon]

wtf even airbnbs are expensive in cologne

bruh

[vernal moth]

I would offer my couch but there are already two dudes sleeping there, one of them is from baveria, so you really don't want to, lmao

[twin lagoon]

am also going with friends

[warm anchor]

Michael face revel???

[twin lagoon]

@warm anchor

[warm anchor]

@twin lagoon

[thorny totem]

[golden gust]

does literally anything

CPU load hits a multiple factor of the number of CPUs he has

[limpid knot]

RIP WILLIAM HURT

[quasi valley]

Just upgrade your potat

To potatOS v5

[ashen cliff]

Just run single threaded stuff. Simple as that.

[worn ember]

Just run

[stray oyster]

@warm anchor

[summer rivet]

can i set up in any way that paperweight is not saving cache to C:\Users\Jonosa\workspace-java\paperweight-test-plugin-master\.gradle but to C:\Users\Jonosa\.gradle?

[twin lagoon]

set the GRADLE_USER_HOME variable

you'll probably break things as soon as you use another paperweight project though

so wouldn't actually do that

[summer rivet]

mh

[vital lichen]

Wgat is UUID

[upbeat falcon]

Universally unique identifier - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universally_unique_identifier

A universally unique identifier (UUID) is a 128-bit label used for information in computer systems. The term globally unique identifier (GUID) is also used.

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[summer rivet]

but forge use this folder for default and have all files there but the gradle.properties is the same there

[twin lagoon]

gradle will use both your user folder & your project's .gradle directories

[summer rivet]

ok now im 100% confused xD

i just dont want to do a 5 hour build just for the caches for every new project

[twin lagoon]

how many new projects are you going through, at once, for that to be an issue

[summer rivet]

4

but i copy them to make backups or if i rewrite something to have a backup

[twin lagoon]

have you heard of this magical thing called git version control

[summer rivet]

i guess i did the import project wrong, how should i do it? I did "Import -> Gradle -> Existing Gradle Project"

[twin lagoon]

looks fine?

also you should probably move to #paper-dev

[summer rivet]

nope the last time i used git it spammed me errors when trying to upload after i changed the name of my package...

[summer rivet]

oh okay i was not sure bc its not about java coding only ide and build stuff

[twin lagoon]

well, start learning it

can't really go without git

cheap servers, compromised servers, whatever

[vestal jasper]

Idk I prefer using SVN when I write in go

[twin lagoon]

wtf vic

[vestal jasper]

Also uwu

[twin lagoon]

uwu

[warm anchor]

Hi new phone who dis??

[left swift]

[lilac moon]

minecraft is very optimized

[quiet mesa]

looks like windows media player...

[lilac moon]

how

[quiet mesa]

like this (?

or maybe too late and im confuse xd

[lilac moon]

are you talking about my image

of the minecraft debug screen

[dim prairie]

Is this sus?

[quiet mesa]

yeah and looks like need more resolution for the red bars..

[dire tendon]

you mean this?

[quiet mesa]

this xd

[limpid knot]

What is a sponsor

[lilac moon]

ohhhh that

that makes more sense

[true canyon]

#announcements message

[limpid knot]

WOW

[limpid knot]

Bitch I got like 50 on me, my mind gone

And I got that FN tucked if they wanna act boo boo the fool thinking bout taking something

What comes after 1.19? 2.0?

[lilac moon]

1.20

i feel like 1.13 shouldve been 2.0 though

because of what it chanmged

[golden gust]

god, I love networking

OVH can also suck my big toe

[raven basin]

you a game dev

[lilac moon]

what happened

[limpid knot]

How’d you get into networking?

god I love life

we all have our little interests being the humans we are

and we all have a good and bad side to us

it’s so awesome

discord is just a great platform for connecting people hooked onto the same interests, like this guild for a Minecraft server software

we’re all here because of our interest in Minecraft and that’s fucking awesome

i hope everyone here is doing well

sorry for pinging you electroniccat, I forgot replies do that

[worn ember]

One does not get "into" networking. You get sucked into it and get locked into it for the remainder of your life with nowhere to escape to

[fiery orbit]

That’s kinda like my story with Minecraft lol

[limpid knot]

Video game addiction is unhealthy

I hope you’re ok

[viral hornet]

excluding @quasi valley

he's too perfect to have a bad side

however, my son, SpottedLeaf, doesn't have a good side (he's a furry)

[limpid knot]

when I say bad I mean evil

kenny probably has his own lil unsavory thought every once in a while

[viral hornet]

only about me

[wet storm]

Sounds like my history with gradle, after researching Forge infrastructure (Forge buildscript, ForgeGradle, binary patcher) I can't do any project without gradle, before learning it I didn't know I'll need this thing so much...

[wet storm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/838919055170863120/930882390551846912/dev.gif

[tropic flame]

that sounds like something spotted would say

[solid siren]

Hi guys u know any anti grief plugin that use fence to claim lands

[smoky tinsel]

door > wheel

[untold meadow]

@waxen panther thoughts

[waxen panther]

i got a lot of thoughts

[left swift]

dumb thoughts

gross destiny player

[ashen cliff]

When SublimeText hits you with that loading bar, while opening a functions file...
It's going to be a very fun day.

[wet storm]

No, he prob would send the seagull eating rat gif or another one where are anime and nuclear explosion

[tropic flame]

anime and nuclear explosion is more of a kenny type message

it yeah, the seagull eating rat gif

very true

[left swift]

[left swift]

thank you

[little frost]

head empty

[obtuse jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-tongue-jk-gif-5051632

[magic river]

Aww, I'm only a Software Developer II now instead of a Lead Software Developer

I only had the lead title because when I started it was the preloaded thing in our payroll system closest to my salary

[vernal moth]

does the title mean anything if its not attached to your compensation? lol

[magic river]

Since then the salary has gone up quite a bit and we've actually got roles

The equivalent to my old fake title would be Senior of Tech Lead, I guess, which are actual things now

I don't think we have anyone with those though, not sure

[left swift]

I miss the old days when all a title was is "employee"

was was

[vernal moth]

we dont have titles here, my job description is "employee in the X team"

[magic river]

I guess we technically always had three of them but not in our payroll system

[left swift]

the x men

[little frost]

costumer

[magic river]

When I was hired I was given the salary ranges for junior, normal, and senior and asked which role I thought I fit in

[vernal moth]

I was too lazy to translate me team name, lol

[little frost]

this is the second typo i've found on your page >:I

[vernal moth]

nowadays am costumer applications sub team contract calculators? or somehting

[magic river]

I told them normal since I thought I was going to be doing a lot of perl 😛

[vernal moth]

oh is costumer a typo?

[wide chasm]

customer

[vernal moth]

kek

[left swift]

costumer might be something different

[glass crag]

consumer

[wide chasm]

Mini has to wear a costume to work 😉

[left swift]

I dont think they say costumer for the people who work wardrobes

[vernal moth]

mfw I have a cms but the index text isn't loaded from the cms

[left swift]

is costumer even a word

[wide chasm]

Probably

[left swift]

.g costumer

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) Customer The recipient of a good, service, product or an idea - obtained from a seller, vendor, or... (https://duckduckgo.com/Customer?v=i&kp=1)

[wide chasm]

lol

[left swift]

lol

[magic river]

costume designer or wardrobe stylist depending on if they're making it or picking what would look best

[little frost]

lore

[vernal moth]

whats the second typo @little frost?

[little frost]

oh it was a while ago i don't remember any more lol

[left swift]

2nd spellcheck costs money

first is on the house

[vernal moth]

https://github.com/MiniDigger/Blog/commit/13f122fe7fd7d1bd40c9f4d06fa303a32b334984

[warm anchor]

[calm plank]

someone please help i cant change my minecraft server version

i tried for 3 hours now and i just bought it 😭

[vernal moth]

you just go to our website and download the newest version?

[calm plank]

i want to downgrade

its hard to explain...

can i call you?

to show the bug

[void void]

You can't downgrade between minecraft versions

[little frost]

dang i could have PRd that last time the typo was in some database or something lol

[calm plank]

@void void wdym

[warm anchor]

Restore from backups

[void void]

You can't go from 1.18.2 -> 1.18.1 for example

[warm anchor]

Downgrading isn’t supported @calm plank

[calm plank]

i want to go from 1.18.2 to 1.8.9

[warm anchor]

Oh boy

[void void]

On the projects page, "Also checkout the WebViewer.", checkout should be check out

[calm plank]

so did i just use 15$ and wasted them?

[warm anchor]

Wtf do you spend $15 on

[calm plank]

a server

host

[warm anchor]

I still don’t understand

[mental meadow]

You can downgrade if you delete your world etc

[void void]

Your host should let you change the version you're running, but you'd have to reset your world ^

[warm anchor]

How does that have to do with downgrading,,,

[vernal moth]

ha that is changeable in my cms

[calm plank]

i didnt build anything so idc @mental meadow

[left swift]

what isnt working

[warm anchor]

Oh just remove world folders then

[left swift]

the world wont load or 1.8.9 isn't showing up or

what

[calm plank]

@warm anchor bro can u help?

i tried too

i need to call some1 that tried this before

[warm anchor]

All 3 of them. World, world nether and world the end

Remove them

[calm plank]

yuå

yup

done

[vernal moth]

1. #paper-help
2. 1.8.9 is unsupported, its annnnnncient and broken beyond repair

[calm plank]

then what

[left swift]

did u try turning wumbo to true in server properties

[mental meadow]

wumbo mode

[warm anchor]

Replace with your old and unsupported jar and good luck!

[calm plank]

ill try

what is wumbo?

[left swift]

winning
undertale
machine
boom
o

[calm plank]

"Error Event [0f581f8b-32ee-4a83-bdb3-4JUdGzvrMFDWrUUwY3toJATSeNwjn54LkCnKBPRzDuhzi5vSepHfUckJNxRL2gjkNrSqtCoRUrEDAgRwsQvVCjZbRyFTLRNyDmT1a1boZV"

it says this when i start?

in console

[left swift]

oh that error haha that's funny

[mental meadow]

I'd suggest asking your hosting provider

[calm plank]

Please let me call some1

[left swift]

call joel

on skype

[calm plank]

who is joel

[summer rivet]

i have so much problems when using this paperweight test plugin, what am i doing wrong

[wide chasm]

You should probably ask this in #paper-dev with a bit more information.

[vernal moth]

TS still surprises me

this is surprisingly nice authStore: ReturnType<typeof useAuthStore>

[magic river]

Wait, what?

What is the return type of Function?

[vernal moth]

https://i.imgur.com/xAwYrXG.png

useAuthStore is a method I have

lol

https://i.imgur.com/lbzZ4Up.png

[magic river]

Oh, I thought the typeof there would make it just Function instead of that specific function so you'd get something weird for the return type

I guess tsc is smart enough to make it a generic Function though, otherwise how could you get the type for a value?

[vernal moth]

type ReturnType<T extends (...args: any) => any> = T extends (...args: any) => infer R ? R : any

this is the magic behind it

[magic river]

Yeah I'm familiar with that part

I dunno, I guess you probably have to use typeof to use it with any function so I shouldn't be surprised

[vernal moth]

I dont totally understand how it works but since even IJ can decode it, it seems cool

[magic river]

typeof is basically magic bullshit 😛

It doesn't do what you'd expect it to do in normal JS

[vernal moth]

well, typeof doesn't return function, it returns the type of that exact function I guess

so extracting only the return type out of that isn't too hard

[magic river]

I think using typeof in a type context just does a different thing than using it as a value

[vernal moth]

type Predicate = (x: unknown) => boolean;
type K = ReturnType<Predicate>;
-> typeof K = boolean

[magic river]

One queries tsc, the other gives you a string with one of like 5 things in it

[viral hornet]

I agree with phil

[vernal moth]

https://i.imgur.com/JnmpZ5N.png

[static badge]

criminal

[viral hornet]

Goodnight son

[true canyon]

I disagree with Phil

[cedar spade]

I don't disagree with Phil but I do agree with mbaxter's disagreement with Phil

[magic river]

So... they're making an anime about a guy who has a crush on a girl then he dies and becomes the girl's dog and it's apparently a "I can't believe this isn't porn" kind of show

Holy shit

[mental meadow]

every season has to has at least one of those

[vernal moth]

Wait, there is anime that isn't "i can't believe this isn't porn"?

[golden gust]

Yes

Like, highschool DxD

purely for plot

[magic river]

boosto

[golden gust]

||and convenient rifle mounts||

[magic river]

The rifle thing was highschool of the dead

[golden gust]

oh

lol

I remember hearing about that show, put it on, saw that scene and was like, eeer

[magic river]

lol, someone named some crypto trash boosto

[worn ember]

Theres this anime too where this girl undresses and then turns into a transformer

whatever floats your boat ig

[limpid knot]

you got my heart, got my mind

i think about you all the timeeee

you shoot my blood pressure through the sky

[worn ember]

[mental meadow]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly_Me_to_the_Moon_(manga) my fave

[vernal moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQR0bXO_yI8

[tropic flame]

I guess this one here flew off your radar, then: https://animesenpai.net/this-new-anime-is-about-a-man-who-got-reincarnated-as-a-pig/

[twin lagoon]

@warm anchor thoughts

[void void]

oh god

[tropic flame]

yeah

[tropic flame]

still trying to find the porn in Evangelion

the only thing it has given me is depression

[magic river]

I'm still afraid to watch Welcome to the NHK

[light ibex]

hey who has bots to test performance? like 500 fake players running etc

[wet storm]

imagine someone watching every One Piece episode only for horny scenes

[void void]

Are linux startup logs disabled by default or something?

I wanna see some cool hacker logs instead of boring /dev/sda clean on the top

[pastel reef]

How do HDD and SATA SSDs compare?

[plucky sparrow]

no

did you actually know about this thing called google

[wet storm]

sudo rm -r /

[void void]

hello

[golden gust]

I mean

that question makes little sense

[twin lagoon]

on most desktop distros, probably

[void void]

funny

[twin lagoon]

should be as simple as removing a startup flag from the bootloader's config

[void void]

let's see what it does!

I running pop os and is good. I migrate from windows 10 because TPM 2.0

[wet storm]

I am CentOS 8 stream user and I have these "cool hacker" logs

By default

[twin lagoon]

average centos user

[void void]

doesn't centos got discontinue

[magic river]

HDD read: 120MB/s
SATA SSD read: 550MB/s
HDD IOPS: 400
SATA SSD IOPS: 100,000

[void void]

ssd clear winning

[wet storm]

There is CentOS "stream" version which has support

[magic river]

Best case scenarios, HDD random read is like 10MB/s 😄

[void void]

I using gnome because KDE weird

too bloat

[magic river]

PCIe 3 NVMe SSD

1.5-2x those numbers for PCIe 4 (which this is, I need a new computer)

[void void]

I need more ram

can you send ram plz

[tropic flame]

says KDE is bloat
uses GNOME

[golden gust]

gnome flashback go brr

[void void]

kde too complex combinations hard and i already use to gnome otherwise i migrate xfce

[golden gust]

somewhat bleh but more tolerable than gnome

[magic river]

[golden gust]

outside of gnome-*

[wet storm]

Ok, I'll send your a link for downloading more ram in dm, it is not a RAT 100%

[magic river]

XFCE is basically ancient junk at this point 😛

[golden gust]

You know

I was gonna make a gnome-office joke

and then I remembered that they actually basically had/have one

[void void]

i use onlyoffice

problem come when teacher assignment includes work on word which i cant do with onlyoffice

[tropic flame]

I could repeat my usual GNOME slander but I'll just point to the last time I've done it

[void void]

then i go vm

[magic river]

gnome-office was a late 1.x/early 2.x thing

OOo and later LibreOffice replaced it pretty quickly

[void void]

libreoffice trash

[golden gust]

Yea, I mean, the individual pieces of software still exist but they where replaced, thankfully

[magic river]

KDE does better there, they have their own somewhat useful office suite

[golden gust]

I mean, to be fair, I don't think that there reall yis a good replacement for google docs/MS office

[void void]

also when i try kde it close my easyeffects and was embarassing

[magic river]

You should use libreoffice or google docs though

[void void]

and use more ram than gnome

[golden gust]

KDE was actually pretty damned light last I looked

[void void]

no onlyoffice better libreoffice trash google docs good but they also miss features word have

[golden gust]

just the entire DE is overblown

[magic river]

What?

onlyoffice?

[golden gust]

some cloud based office thing

[void void]

no not cloud

[golden gust]

oh, no

[void void]

https://onlyoffice.com

[golden gust]

lookedlike it was forasecond ogoogle

[magic river]

It's either web-based or electron

[golden gust]

wow,keyboard

[magic river]

OnlyOffice is delivered either as SaaS or as an installation for deployment on a private network. Access to the system is provided through a private online portal.

[void void]

https://www.onlyoffice.com/download-desktop.aspx

[tropic flame]

oh that's one of the many office knockoffs for Android

[void void]

i may try gnome flashback tomorrow thanks for mentioning electroniccat

[tropic flame]

didn't know they offered desktop solutions too

[golden gust]

it's not a native desktop app

[void void]

windows 11 piece of shit

change my mind

[tropic flame]

i agree, there's no need to change your mind

[void void]

[magic river]

gnome flashback is just doing the same thing as MATE except only for the actual desktop

[golden gust]

Yea, flashback was semi weird

[magic river]

It's gnome-panel, gnome-panel-applets, and metacity ported to modern GNOME

[golden gust]

It felt enough to keep me happy but it wasn't exactly a superier alternative to just going for mate

[void void]

electronicboy what you use

[wet storm]

Btw, what do you think about cinnamon?

[golden gust]

macOS

[magic river]

MATE is "we miss 2009 and never want anything to change"

[golden gust]

I got too fed up with linux

[magic river]

Good choice for a Bukkit plugin dev 😛

[void void]

oh no. mac user alert

[golden gust]

hey, amar

fuck you

❤️

[void void]

i only like iphones and nothing else from apple

[magic river]

cinnamon is kind of neat but they're trying to diverge more from GNOME and I don't think they have the developers to do a good job with it

[golden gust]

macOS has many stupid decisions

[magic river]

macOS won't kill your install by trying to install Steam though 😄

[golden gust]

But, I mean, I find it's a fairly good middle ground between wanting to hang myself from using windows and shooting myself in the foot with linux

[tropic flame]

Ubuntu-based distros be like

[golden gust]

Linux was great in high school/college when I had free time to screw around

[magic river]

[void void]

that was edge case, when i install steam no problem. i migrate to pop before 1 month challenge

[golden gust]

especially as that was in the days of unstable GPU drivers from both AMD and nvidea, so reinstalls where like a yearly thing almost due to various stupid issues

[wet storm]

I think that cinnamon is oriented for windows users, which don't familiar with "these android-like guis", so my first distro was linux mint, and it had cinnamon by default

[void void]

nvidia drivers getting better but still uncomparable to windows

[golden gust]

I just wish that there was a good modern DE that was dev'd for the desktop and had a good community behind it

now it feels that you're kinda stuck between gnome or KDE or basically jumping in a ditch

mate was nice but there where many weird regressions vs gnome 2

though, I think some of those aspects already existed, just, mate made them more visible

[magic river]

People keep wanting their systems to do new things or do them better and keeping up with that ends up with a lot of code churn

No one else can keep up

[golden gust]

e.g. no right alignment for things in panels, and so RIP if you change screen resolution often

[void void]

problem of linux desktop (and the 1 month linus challenge show it) is that if you not poweruser then you screw

[magic river]

Elementary and Cinnamon kind of do, Elementary especially has a surprising amount of effort put in to it

[tropic flame]

wasn't the Elementary OS project having some drama lately btw?

[magic river]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[golden gust]

elementary looked pretty last I tried it a few years ago, but iirc they where tryna copy macOS too much

[magic river]

They're both GNOME "forks", basically GNOME but with some things tweaked or swapped out

The vast majority of the code is still just GNOME and they don't have to write it

[void void]

if you want mac look then go for gnome with custom theme and you get it

[magic river]

No

[wet storm]

No

[void void]

then you add extension for application shit to go top bar

and you done

[void void]

why no

[golden gust]

global menus on linux is basically a joke

[magic river]

That'll look vaguely like macOS in screenshots to people who don't know any better but won't work anything like it

[golden gust]

theres been a few hacks for it but nobody ever really nailed it down

[magic river]

That's worse than just not doing it at all

[void void]

that why i said mac look under the hood is still linux

[golden gust]

I mean, for me, things like the dock are okay

issue is that they tried to clone that thing across the entire OS

e.g. incliding basterdising the settings screen

[void void]

firefox vs chrome

[tropic flame]

Firefox

[golden gust]

I mean, you're missing the wider picture

I think we can all admit that macOS is fairly pretty in many areas

but, that?

why would you try and clone that?

Like, I mean, it's less guessy than the control panel got

[void void]

I agree use mac os if you do adobe products and wont recommend for anything else

[golden gust]

and less of a headache than the control panel + windows settings

[magic river]

The iPad/Windows way of handling that is much better

[golden gust]

but god is that annoying

[magic river]

And is what GNOME does too

Novell/SuSE GNOME had a settings that looked like that, written in C# too 😄

[golden gust]

I get lost in gnomes a fair bit when am using it

[magic river]

I helped make a clone of that for compiz

[proud lance]

I hate how its organized though

[void void]

gnome 40 application panel looks good

[golden gust]

I mean, that's part of my point

the organisation in general is ass

finding anything is a headache

[tropic flame]

nice cracked CS 1.6

[proud lance]

lmao

[worn ember]

[golden gust]

Some stuff is where you expect it, but, I mean, if you're cloning shit off of macOS, please, do it where itmakes sense, and replace the stupid stuff

[void void]

of course that is how we do it in bulgaria 🙂

[tropic flame]

based

[golden gust]

also

launchpad

launchpad is fucking ass and god knows WHY they still use it

[void void]

cs 1.6 work no error with wine 7

[proud lance]

I still use it to drag apps from launchpad into my dock

[golden gust]

😄

[proud lance]

apart from that I got rid of it from my dock

[golden gust]

I just use alfred to launch apps these days

[wet storm]

OK, this is how looks my GNOME desktop, prob it is an old version

[golden gust]

unless I forget the name of an app, in which case it'slike, urgh

ime tatime to flick through a few pages...

[void void]

that < gnome 40

how theme called? also ew eclipse

[worn ember]

eclipse user

[proud lance]

what does alfred do differently for you, because 99% of my app opening is just cmd+space and then type the name of the app

oh shit mention

[wet storm]

you can also find netbeans there

[worn ember]

[golden gust]

I mean, basically, that

[proud lance]

I KEEP TURNING IT OFF BUT IT COMES BACK ON

[tropic flame]

yes i also enjoy my minimize button being disabled by default

[golden gust]

I just found that alfred was like, 1000x faster than raw spotlight

I think spotlight is better these days, but, it's still just nicer UI wise

[tropic flame]

based eclipse user*

I'd rather have people using different tools than a single one holding a monopoly

[void void]

intellij > netbeans > eclipse

[proud lance]

I mainly need it for apps, I disabled all the spotlight searches because it was like oh you want to open excel you have installed? We are gonna open a google website about Excel

[golden gust]

well, better than it was, but, not better than alfred

I find that I don't use alfred for too much, however

[worn ember]

if you wanna be part of those guys be my guest, i'll enjoy my noice IDE

[golden gust]

Like, idk if i'll purchase the upgrade if ones released, but, otherwise, it's okay

[void void]

also russian. I know that you don't want war, wish luck out there

[golden gust]

jetbrains wasn't russian

[tropic flame]

I'm with based VSCode, thanks

[void void]

no no his gnome language is russian i saw

[worn ember]

for java? jeez

[golden gust]

oh

[tropic flame]

why do you sound like I'm using notepad++?

everyone sounds like I'm using notepad++ when i say it

[golden gust]

I mean, I agree on the "don't want a single IDE to win", but, I mean, given that eclipse devs basically tell everybody to fuck off, you know

[worn ember]

cuz literally everyone tells me VSCode sucks for java dev

[golden gust]

Like, I get it, I don't mind telling entitled asshats to PR or STFU

[void void]

wdym? excel > notepad++ > *

[golden gust]

but, I mean, when thats the general stance towards basically everything, yea, suck a toe

[void void]

Java in Excel

[tropic flame]

i only do plugin development (and the occasional discord bot), i don't need more

[magic river]

vscode is the eclipse maven, gradle, and java plugins but in a better editor

[proud lance]

ah yes the best IDE, Excel

[magic river]

It can be a bit jank

[proud lance]

when you want to organize your code into cells

[golden gust]

I mean, that's my experience of vscode in general

[worn ember]

didnt mean to start an IDE war here

[golden gust]

Like, it's a bleh text editor vs basically any notepad app

[worn ember]

use notepad for all i care

[golden gust]

IDE wise, I mean, it works

[wet storm]

Idk, I installed netbeans and eclipse to check why people love these IDEs, my main IDE is intellij, but on other side netbeans has some good functionality

[void void]

use excel or noob

[golden gust]

But, I mean, sad truth is is that JB have dickstomped the entire market more or less

IJ is a fork of netbeans

[void void]

who care when intellij much better than every ide joke aside

[worn ember]

"hurdur i dont want one company to have monopoly" well maybe the other companies should step up their game then

[golden gust]

^ kek, but, yea

[tropic flame]

if you're making CLI-only apps then VSCode is fine for java dev imo, if you want fancy stuff like window designers that's where stuff gets suckier though

but I mean... JavaFX has its own standalone designer iirc

[void void]

ew javafx

[wide chasm]

Yeah, SceneBuilder

[golden gust]

The only real competer to JBs stuff is basically the "lite" things like vscode but, I mean, I think anybody using them and acting like they're better than JBs stuff is tryna compenstate because "ohhh, opensource"

[void void]

id go for c++ rather using this piece of crap javafx

[golden gust]

and, visual studio

[wide chasm]

For IJ, Community is also open-source, so

[golden gust]

but, visual studio is fucking ass cancer

[glass crag]

JetBrains Rider is already eating up visual studio for breakfast

[void void]

i have jetbrains student pack

[worn ember]

rider is great

[tropic flame]

personally I'd rather not entirely switch of language just because I want to make a GUI

JavaFX is to Swing as to what WPF is to WinForms in C#. it's supposed to be a modern alternative that's not so low-level

[worn ember]

gonna suck when my license expires

[golden gust]

well, community is OS but last I recall it lacked much of the nicer visual stuff

I don't think that there is a good, competent crossplatform UI library, however

I think that's part of why everybody just uses CEF for that shit

[void void]

heard of the new ide jetbrains developing that's gonna eliminate all the jetbrains pack and put it into 1 ide

[golden gust]

doubt it

[void void]

let find cuz i forgot name

[golden gust]

it's a cloud offering

[wide chasm]

Do you mean Fleet?

[wet storm]

This wouldn't be useful bruh

[golden gust]

I can't exactly see fleet replacing the traditional IDEs

[wide chasm]

Me neither

Seems to just be JB's answer to VSC

[void void]

https://www.jetbrains.com/fleet/

[wide chasm]

Called it

[calm plank]

best host for kitpvp to get started in 5min?

[worn ember]

gonna depend if fleet is gonna be free or not

[wet storm]

potato pc

[wide chasm]

Also

built from scratch
uses the IntelliJ code-processing engine

[golden gust]

well, the core of it is

[glass crag]

the collaboration bit seems interesting

[golden gust]

or, well, the UI aspects

[calm plank]

if i buy a server that is "Forge 1.8.9" does it work for labymod and shit?

[golden gust]

if it's basically not a glorified gateway thing, god knows

[void void]

yes some claim bold but i believe this is going be good product

[void void]

Paper works with forge mods and that too (that are client-sided)

[golden gust]

I actually kinda toyed with JBs gateway thing, and, eeer, mixed bags

[calm plank]

what is paper?

[magic river]

Paper does not work with forge mods

[void void]

If you choose forge, you won't be able to use plugins tho

[magic river]

Where are you?

[worn ember]

wtf am i reading

[magic river]

I think kbiss got lost

[void void]

Saw the embed and thought it was a release announcement 😭

[plucky sparrow]

I honestly can’t wait for fleet

[wide chasm]

I mean, sure, but if you're saying that something is from scratch I kinda assume that it doesn't use code they already used prior. Which would be stupid, but I mean, then don't say that.

[plucky sparrow]

It’s taking a lot longer than I expected

[golden gust]

fleet looks interesting but, as I say, it's not really a IJ replacement

[worn ember]

its a code editor

not an ide

[void void]

well then fuck

[golden gust]

It's a competator towards codespaces,etc

[glass crag]

The first line is "next generation ide"

[worn ember]

well they're wrong

they dont know their own product

[plucky sparrow]

says ded

[golden gust]

ITT: DED is dum, nothing new was learned here

[wet storm]

trolled themselves or something?

[magic river]

Fleet is basically the IntelliJ guts but a whole new VSCode-like thing on top

[wide chasm]

I feel like VSC has blurred the line between IDE and text editor, but from the description it sounds more like a text editor than an IDE to me

[magic river]

Like how you can plug Eclipse in to VSCode to get Java support

It'll do some IDE-like things (autocomplete, go to definition, etc) but with a very stripped down UI

I doubt you'll be popping up a datagrip UI in there

[golden gust]

nah

[void void]

sounds kinda crap ngl

[golden gust]

they already got projector for that

[wide chasm]

I wonder what they'll do with the lightweight-mode in IJ, I feel like that would kinda become redundant with Fleet.

[golden gust]

you mean the distraction free thing?

doubt anything will change there, no real reason to

as said,t he thing here is that they're planning to offer a cloud coding environment with their own tech

[wide chasm]

Don't think it was distraction free, they put some kind of lightweight option into IJ a year ago or so? It just basically skips doing a lot of the internal processing to not be a complete resource hog.

[golden gust]

this is seemingly all part of what they wanna hook for spaces to make it more of a feature complete solution towards just passing your devs "okay" machines vs top end machines and just managing all the dev stuff and infra in the cloud

[wide chasm]

LightEdit mode it's called apparently

[golden gust]

oh, neat

never knew of that one, but, I don't think fleet really replaces anything there

I think that the aspect that it can run standalone is more of a novelty than its core intended use

[magic river]

They're worried GitHub/Microsoft are going to eat their lunch

That's why Fleet exists

[wide chasm]

I feel like, if I want to open up a single file, but with IntelliJ's stuff behind it, Fleet would do that much better than LightEdit mode.

[golden gust]

I mean, its basically two ecosystems

[wet storm]

yeah, I want sort of "lightweight" mode for intellij too, because my computer becomes laggy when I have minecraft client, minecraft server and intellij opened at the same time (Three jvms running on my pc...)

[golden gust]

the fact that fleet and IJ can do the same thing is generally irrelevant

fleets "light" mode is basically a cutdown editor

[magic river]

Fleet is three JVMs plus another copy of Chrome 😄

[golden gust]

I'd imagine that theres just a button or something which lets you enable/disable the advanced features

but, I mean, you can kinda do that in IJ as is

it's called powersaving mode

but, as I say, it looks like the primary usecase is a competitor towards codespaces, etc

[wide chasm]

Yeah, so you have full IJ, IJ in powersave mode, IJ in lightedit mode, Fleet and Fleet in light mode. Before you can open a file you first need to determine how many features you want to get 😄

[golden gust]

Like, github I think it was actually recently(?) did an experiment where they set up newbies with codespaces rather than fully fledged dev laptops to test how it went

You're missing the part where they're supposed to be two different ecosystems

[magic river]

github does all/most of their development via vscode on codespaces I think

[golden gust]

you'd generally either have fleet or have their full IDE

Miiiight have been twitter who did the codespaces experiment then actually?

I recall reading on one of them looking into taking that dive

[wide chasm]

I feel like for many they'll have both. Just like many people have IJ for the heavy work and VSC for the light work.

Replace IJ with some other fancy IDE if you like.

[golden gust]

I don't know many devs who like changing IDE ecosystems often

[magic river]

afaik codespaces started as a tool to stop github from killing $4000 laptops 😄

[wet storm]

btw, do every new intellij window runs on the same jvm?

[golden gust]

yes

[magic river]

The amount of code, environment, data, etc you had to sync to do any kind of useful testing or builds of github got too crazy

[wide chasm]

I'd hardly call using VSC to edit some misc. files changing IDE ecosystem

[golden gust]

it's still an entire context switch in terms of software

[wet storm]

I would be suprised if not...

[golden gust]

depends on needs, etc

[plucky sparrow]

I use different IDEs for each programming language

But they’re all JetBrains so the change is not noticeable at all

[golden gust]

I use VSC here and there but generally stick to all JBs stuff

[plucky sparrow]

For random, miscellaneous files I use VSCode