general

[vernal moth]

Does it work on Windows?
Short answer: Yes. Long answer: Using symbolic linking on Windows is problematic to say the least, however, pnpm has a workaround. For Windows, we use junctions instead.

yarn 2 stopped hoisting stuff to a flat node modules too so I guess people just adapted?

[frank slate]

Hello, Idk where to post so I'll do it here. Im having an issue with the mobs in the nether. they won't attack anyone, at all. even if you hit them they just stand there.

[magic river]

#paper-help

[frank slate]

ty

[left swift]

#swifties-club

[left swift]

any typers?

[worn crest]

oh no a sysout and not a logger 💀

[foggy silo]

Proper logging? Never heard of it 👀

[worn crest]

i got judged for not using logger because of performance and like that stuff

and stackoverflow said the same so i trust them

[next frost]

what

[worn crest]

system out vs logger and these results

[left swift]

[worn crest]

no comment? do i miss a big point or like that

[pastel reef]

Is having an AMD FX-8300 exceed 60 fps with 16 Chunks in 1.18.2 easy or hard?

As a client

[worn crest]

cpu doesnt render the graphics mainly ask your gpu but 16 chunks are wayyyy too much for playing normally. would say try it by urself

[pastel reef]

Nvidia gtx170

[warm anchor]

@pastel reef use fabric mod

It is a huge improvement

[worn ember]

@warm anchorhttps://youtu.be/tP3WFKeoqe0?t=264 lmao wtf

[vestal jasper]

Performance? Weird

My main gripe with people using sysout is that I'll get random weird debug logs in the console with no evidence as to which plugin causes it

Aside from keeping track of what i've changed etc

[warm anchor]

Nice patch

Working as intended

[novel horizon]

I mean that's .. weird interaction, funny tho ^^ not that OP or broken?

[warm anchor]

Title is just clickbait

Sadly YouTube wants those titles

Still an interesting video

[novel horizon]

But some of them are like wut

[warm anchor]

Especially if it happens to you yeah lol

[novel horizon]

real bugs and op

i mean not bugs directly

it is the wanted interaction

like rubick with the fissure and a shard stunning people etc

is it a bug? well.. no? but still annoying AF

[warm anchor]

Lol I really miss rubick mid days

When he got his arcane passive

People would underestimate your power

[worn ember]

getting zapped from full to 20% hp

[warm anchor]

Or getting life break from 70% hp to 0

[worn ember]

eblade life break = insta kill

[magic river]

Most OP part of the patch:

Killing an enemy with Reaper's Scythe now grants Necrophos +3/6/9 HP/s and +1/2/3 mana regen permanently

[warm anchor]

They really take a liking on those perm stat again

It used to just be silencer

Then added slark then now necro

[magic river]

They tried to balance it by making it not increase the respawn timer

[warm anchor]

Dude

It was so op during necros prime

1 kill with ult = you can go cook your meal, clean up your room, then come back to hopefully you resepwned

[left swift]

I thought I was in island of eternity for a minute

[ashen cliff]

Consistency is key: https://posili.me/i/8P5fDYgL-2022-03-11_21-48-35.png

[meager dawn]

https://youtu.be/QqUfKijhhlg i made a thing :)

i'm super proud of it

[worn crest]

script 💀

[meager dawn]

kind of, except it compiles to bytecode

i'm making the part that interacts with the paper API

[quasi valley]

well that's nice

[golden gust]

sigh

obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3j9muCo4o0

[meager dawn]

this is a decompilation of the bytecode for that particular trigger

[golden gust]

I mean

it could be worse

[warm anchor]

Risky click from zcat

[meager dawn]

the decompiler kind of cries when it sees the output though

[golden gust]

No.

everybody.

everybody cries when they see the output.

[meager dawn]

the goals are to provide a more efficient, stricter, and compiled alternative to the SkriptLang implementation that has no built-in domain dependencies :)

it can compile to a standalone .jar as well (within some limitations because parts of the runtime aren't available)

not that that's particularly useful

[golden gust]

I mean, I remember a server many years ago which did skript for like a core part of their server

[meager dawn]

oh dear

[golden gust]

they could hardly reach like 60, 70 players in the 1.8 era, biggest issue I recall was that the backing store was just slow as balls

Like, every variable interaction was basically a thread local or some shit

[meager dawn]

i think skript stores variables in hexadecimal in a .csv file

[left swift]

you're balls

not the good kind

[golden gust]

you've got none

[meager dawn]

byteskript has a few distinct variable types, ! for global, @ for atomic, _ for thread local, and no prefix for scope local i believe

there's no persistence for them though

i guess if you really want something to be persistent you can make a Serializable type out of it

[vernal moth]

Just use Graal

Like really, that's why Graal exist

So you can JIT other languages, you never gonna be better than graal

So implement your language using truffel and safe yourself the hassle

[golden gust]

Well

[vernal moth]

Meh not sure I should be sharing that

[golden gust]

We knew you where gonna find out eventually

[left swift]

leaked

[left swift]

shut up brocc

[warm anchor]

[left swift]

so cringe

destiny 2 player

[tropic flame]

blame the users, not the language 😎

Skript itself is okay

but I mean, a compiled alternative sounds interesting to me

[magic river]

Truffle makes decently fast interpreters that graal vm can turn in to JITs that are competitive with, say, V8

You can make microbenchmarks where V8 blows it away of course since it has JS-specific optimizations but you can also make some where Graal blows V8 away

For more "real world" benchmarks V8 wins but not by as much as you'd think

[vernal moth]

Thanks for reminding me why I stopped using Graal

Paywalling optimizations is really shitty

[ashen cliff]

I need HashMaps to magically go faster. Thank you.

[golden gust]

hashmaps are slow

use an array

runs

[ashen cliff]

Good thing that I can't modify the code.

[left swift]

hashatray

[quasi valley]

makes a set where no duplicates are added
literally only iterates over it

https://i.imgur.com/Oe1m5OK.png

[left swift]

woah kenny

this u?

[ashen cliff]

Exactly what happens here, looking at the profiler...

TO BE FAIR... I might be able to find the source.

[left swift]

I'm gonna edit ur face on there kenny

dont worry

[wet storm]

okay, now let's make an ArrayMap /s

[left swift]

put a shirt on

[vernal moth]

The other peer is just discord

I assume

[tropic flame]

I mean... "setting up something similar" for yourself will require a central server

well then yeah

you can set up something without exposing the IP addresses, probably

one peer would be the user, the other peer would be the central server

unlike Skype's calls, Discord's voice channels are not peer-to-peer - hence why you can change the server location in the settings

[ashen cliff]

I wouldn't know.

https://posili.me/i/gbbVJRkJ-2022-03-12_00-43-50.png

Probably not as simple as this tho.

[warm anchor]

What’s this website called?? Seems to be very useful finding stuff like this

[ashen cliff]

Guugulu.

[warm anchor]

Ok

Funny enough that’s how you would say that if you are Japanese

[void void]

Hello I was wondering if anyone here can help me out? I am trying to get geyser/floodgate, tcpshield, and ptero panel to work all together. When I tried to connect it using bedrock version it gave me this following console message. I feel like I need to somehow open connection from java to allow bedrock version?

console message: [Geyser-BungeeCord]: ProfessorFox has disconnected from the Java server because of Connection closed. (I'm not sure what that means.)

I'm using waterfall/paper along the side.

[twin lagoon]

ask the geyser discord

[brave mountain]

people are saying around graphics card prices are falling, I don't see that

[twin lagoon]

they're falling

but it's still high

[void void]

I did several times. Every time I did my question gets ignored. That why I'm trying to ask here.

[brave mountain]

ask ptero discord also, you need the bedrock port open also

[void void]

ah ty

[brave mountain]

I think is just a wave, I heard chip manufactory shortages

[twin lagoon]

of course it's a wave

rising gpu prices ain't gonna be a permanent thing

[warm anchor]

Not yet

[normal frost]

Can someone please tell me where to download the java needed for the paper to work?

[crystal lily]

https://docs.papermc.io/java-install-update

[normal frost]

thanks man

[urban dragon]

Hey guys! I got a weird issue with my server, I've tried everything even running the server vanilla (without any mods on ) and nothing seems to work, so basically, i cant move like at all my controls are fine i tried it in single player, i can only jump move forwards, and move under water i don't know what to do anymore🤣 any help would be greatly appreciated

[magic river]

TIL you can use the github vscode editor on PRs to get a better diff viewer and such

https://github.dev/PaperMC/Paper/pull/6185

[lilac moon]

somewhat related is a new beta feature on github that shows a tree in the diff tab of PRs

[magic river]

Yeah that's no where near as good as this 😛

[lilac moon]

yeah but it's a step in the right rdrection

if i want a whole editor i usually just clone/checkoiut the PR

[lilac moon]

this scroll screenshot got messed up

[golden gust]

sometimes ya don't got that

[lilac moon]

this

[magic river]

Tree view is basically table stakes, that's a "why the fuck doesn't github have this?" thing

[golden gust]

the file tree is a nice feature which, like, ^

[magic river]

bitbucket and gitlab have had it forever

[lilac moon]

true

[magic river]

Hell pretty sure gitea and such do too

Like, that's barebones

[lilac moon]

gitea doesnt

i would remember if it did

[golden gust]

okay

maybe

but, bitbucket hype

(I mean, actually, fuck atlassian, but, bitbucket was kinda nice)

[lilac moon]

i havent used bitbucket before

is it at least not as confusing of a website as gitlab

[golden gust]

I mean, am happy with raw git

a UI is just a really nice thing to have to manage stuff

especially as it tied in with everything else pretty damned nicely

[magic river]

Yeah but the vscode view lets you skip pulling a PR locally to review it (and lets you leave review comments)

Dunno if you can do line comments or not, didn't try it

[brave mountain]

How can people mess up their Linux so easily?
(Cries on dead hdd for dual boot recovery failure)

*it was when I was on highschool 😆

[lilac moon]

wait i didnt see that

how

i guess this is one advantage of vscode being electron, since they can take the ui and i assume they dont hasve to rewrite too much

[magic river]

You can do line comments too, nice

[lilac moon]

nice

[magic river]

TIL Azure has a git hosting service

And their PR view has tree view 😄

[lilac moon]

wait what

[magic river]

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/devops/repos/git/media/review-pull-requests/pull-request-browse-changes-2020.png?view=azure-devops

[lilac moon]

interesting

what is that for though

[magic river]

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/devops/repos/get-started/what-is-repos?view=azure-devops

Like I said, azure has their own git service

With PRs, code review, etc

[golden gust]

I semi recall seing that

kinda chuckled and then moved on

[magic river]

And then Microsoft bought github so you're stuck with them 😛

[golden gust]

BRB

moving to drop table hosting

[magic river]

TIL "bitbucket cloud" aka the one you use when you go to bitbucket.com is actually a completely different product from "bitbucket server" which is what I used at my last job and you host yourself

Only the self-hosted one has the tree view on PRs, it seems

[twin lagoon]

same thing with github

GHES is behind github.com, doesn't have every feature either

[magic river]

github enterprise is the same codebase, just an older version or doesn't have all the features because they depend on github infra

bitbucket server is a completely different codebase, it's a different atlassian product they renamed after they bought bitbucket

I think it was called Stash before?

[twin lagoon]

actually

yeah you're right

makes sense aswell if you look at spigot's stash instance

[magic river]

Oh yeah, spigot uses it

[wind geyser]

I think https://startmc.sh just hates me for some reason

Still can't get it to work

Even on my phone to provide an example

It keeps refreshing

[tropic flame]

you're not the only one, except it gives me enough time to use it and copy the output so "it's okay"

[wind geyser]

It doesn't like Firefox aaaa

[lilac moon]

for me it reloads after like 10 seconds on firefox on android

[wind geyser]

Does the same thing on desktop too aaaa

I was also too lazy to cut out the music, so just be warned

[lilac moon]

doesnt seem to reload for me on firefox on desktop

o\h wait nevemrind

[tropic flame]

(now watch minidigger stopping whatever he's doing to shit on Firefox once again and implying it's not a modern browser)

[lilac moon]

it took like 30 seconds

[tropic flame]

yeah, sucks

[wind geyser]

I just hate how people don't treat Firefox as an acceptable browser

[lilac moon]

ive wanted to switch to ungoogled chromium since chrome's engine seems to be quite a bit faster, but i cant live without firefox container atbs

[wind geyser]

I know almost everything at this point runs chromium, but that makes us feel left out

[lilac moon]

and on the day i decided to give it a try, the latest ungoogled chromium build was just segfaulting after a couple seconds

[wind geyser]

I don't regret switching from chrome lol

[lilac moon]

im trying to figureo ut why it's refreshing on firefox

[wind geyser]

Idk, but it's been a problem for months. I talked about it before in here

[lilac moon]

oh

[wind geyser]

Let me find my post rq

.

[lilac moon]

hmm

[wind geyser]

Interesting

@spiral robin

[waxen panther]

Interesting

[lilac moon]

oh hey wait a minute

[waxen panther]

@spiral robin

[wind geyser]

(he created the website)

[lilac moon]

it reloaded on chromium after like 120 seconds

chromium:

[tropic flame]

haha so it's not firefox's fault

[lilac moon]

so i think maybe firefox has a lower timeout for whatever that is or whatever

[tropic flame]

i guess Firefox is still a modern browser

[lilac moon]

hah

[tropic flame]

[magic river]

TIL startmc.sh is built using Vite and they deploy it in dev mode

[lilac moon]

idk what that is

now i do

[magic river]

Ha, Oroboro is the one who put the "fort, night" message right at the start of Elden Ring

It got thousands of meme appraisals so it shows up for basically everyone, it's either the first or one of the first user created messages they see

Also when someone appraises your message you get a heal so he got to play on easy mode

[spare venture]

yeah i saw that one

[thorny totem]

lol for a minute or two discord derped on me

[prisma geyser]

just clicked on wrong book and this came up

[normal frost]

until version 1.16 my players used the bug to lock the whiter boss in bedrock, but now in 1.18 it is no longer stuck, was this fixed by the paper or is it something from vanilla?

[vernal moth]

We will never go back to normal tho

[limpid knot]

I’m fucking grateful for everything that’s happened in my life

[vernal moth]

Azure DevOps is what had actions first too, the GitHub acquisition allowed GitHub to use all the existing infra and make GitHub actions a thing

DevOps Pipelines are still waaaayyyy nice and more powerful, they work more like gitlab ci

[magic river]

I knew they had CI stuff but I didn't know they had the hosting part

[vernal moth]

Azure DevOps is what is left of visual studio team service I think?

Or does that still exist

[magic river]

Team Foundation or whatever is still a thing

I think it's popular for gamedev stuff because it's better at managing large assets

[vernal moth]

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/devops/server/tfs-is-now-azure-devops-server?view=azure-devops-2020

Yeah it has all been rebranded

[magic river]

Right, so they made a Team Foundation service called VS Team Services then renamed it to Azure DevOps Server and at some point in there added git support

hmm, I wonder if gamedev stuff still uses it, git has had LFS for a while

Microsoft keeps renaming shit, makes it hard to keep up with 😄

[vernal moth]

I am surprised azure dev ops is still a thing tbh

It makes no sense really, it's not even really integrated into the azure portal and stuff

So just get GitHub to feature parity and then nuke azure DevOps, lol

[magic river]

github is never going to support team foundation

People pay them lots of money for that stuff 😛

Huh, apparently Azure DevOps Server doesn't store git data in anything resembling a normal format, it uses libgit2 to speak the protocol but uses SQL Server to store things?

[worn ember]

Typical day at MS

They just love rebranding stuff and make it very confusing for the consumer to know what is what

at least its not 150 micro services like AWS

[zealous vessel]

I was considering making something that would automatically back up my world files to an external server, is there any risk of corruption if i do it while the server is running? i.e. would the server have to be stopped in the process?

[vernal moth]

As long as you only read and don't lock the files that should be fine I guess

Just not gonna be the most up to date data

[placid agate]

Hi! i observed that whenever people on an SMP get really good loot, it gets super boring, because the battles between players take too much. Is there a plugin for 1.18.2 that makes a battle between two maxed netherite players feel like a battle between two full-iron players of smth

i am trying to make a sort of realistic medieval server and nerfing the armor a bit could really help, im also thinking of adding skills that improve your strength and health, so if the armor would be super op then it would be even worse

[twin lagoon]

prices are dropping every week

can get an rtx 3070ti for 850 eur here

i bought my 3080 for like 800 at launch

[vernal moth]

what am saying is that nvidia actually raised msrp

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/ebW8XmNj-2022-03-12_11-26-15.png

I love this community.

Totally depends on your setup.

I mean more like, how many backend servers do you have, survival or minigames, ...

Just stick with screen then.

Minigames usually.

I mean like a lot of the same minigame. Where a template that you can just startup on demand would help you.

Personally I still avoid docker.

Yeah, as simple as it gets.

You could just use cron to do auto restarts.

\n

We do ^M

And make sure to clear the command line before that.

[worn ember]

you can use "images" which you can then start whenever and however many you want which all would run the same configuration

you can also run docker containers on any system and they'll be identical

[twin lagoon]

d*rkeyedragon's RTP plugin

[worn ember]

❤️‍🔥

[limber knot]

wat

there is nothing there?

[wide chasm]

Do you mean the chat window and item?

Cause that's intentional

[void void]

Sounds like the vignette overlay

[limber knot]

...

[void void]

It darkens the corners of your screen

[limber knot]

get a proper monitor or calibrate it properly

[wide chasm]

Yes

[limber knot]

that's how the vignette works

[void void]

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/texture-packs/vignette-removed

[limber knot]

if you see it then you should fiy your monitor because it doesn't properly display colors

*fix

it's litteraly not noticable on your screenshot

[ashen cliff]

INB4 6 bit monitor, so you see color bands.

[wide chasm]

The second screenshot shows it very slightly

[limber knot]

of course the gradient is there but there is zero banding

[glass crag]

ive never noticed that before

[limber knot]

because your display isn't shitm quzmo

...

[glass crag]

LOL

[limber knot]

again: this is not noticable or annoying if your display properly displays the gradient

[ashen cliff]

Because when you disable vignette, you reduce the amount of color blend... so you notice it less

better

You mean worse?

[limber knot]

your eyes would not be able to see the difference between the border and center

you only see the bands because your display doesn't show as many colors as a normal one for some reason

[ashen cliff]

You do notice it, if you are using a laptop with a 6 bit panel.

There you go.

[limber knot]

which again would be a diplay that is shit

so I wasright

fix your color profile then

you are most likely using a movie enhanced colors profile or something

[warm anchor]

The tv itself (?)

[limber knot]

also tv displays are known to be shit

unless you pay thousands of dollars

(at least shit for computer graphics)

check the dark levels and color accuracy of your tv I guess if you want to figure out why it is happening. I wouldn't be surprised if it simply wasn't able to display as many grays as other colors

look up tests of your model online

sometimes the manifacturer even releases such data

might also be that your pc is simply not sending enough color data to the tv

check your video cards settings I guess

[quick obsidian]

what's the website that tells you how out of date 1.8 is again?

[void void]

https://howoldisminecraft188.today/

[quick obsidian]

ty

[limber knot]

I love how I can't see the difference in their linked example unless I switch it really fast

AOC G2260VWQ6 lol

well at least according to amazon, but mine is 24"

G2490Vxa probably

mfw I can't find my dead pixel anymore

[void void]

He's on IRC

[limber knot]

of course I'm a completely real human being like you are too!

[quasi valley]

that's exactly what a bot would say

[frank otter]

I refuse to believe pheonix is a human

he's on IRC to hide the fact he can't complete the captcha discord wants in order to make an account

[limber knot]

😅

[worn ember]

hes pretty smart for a dum bot

[quasi valley]

ur pretty dumb for a smart human

[worn ember]

You're pretty posh for forgetting to pull

[quasi valley]

okay LISTEN HERE

https://tenor.com/view/eat-cat-cat-eat-bite-gif-20798339

[worn ember]

kneny eating poosi be like

[summer rivet]

I did that and it still tell me its not on the path 🤔
Also im wondering, the folder now have 300mb without realy anything in the src folder? Does that mean every project automatically have that size that i will create? normally my projects were about 10 - 200kb big

[ashen cliff]

Gradle itself is pretty big and then you have all the libs.

[worn ember]

do you still download gradle wrappers if you have gradle installed locally?

they always take forever to download for me cuz 💩 internet

[summer rivet]

so i have 300mb per plugin?

[ashen cliff]

Caching. 🛌

[ashen cliff]

Depends™️.

[summer rivet]

on what?

[worn ember]

tf is intellij doing

[wide chasm]

Seems like normal IJ behavior to me

[worn ember]

its completely bricking my pc lol

[wide chasm]

.

😉

[worn ember]

and it crashed lul

gg

ig compiling a 20 line plugin is too much to ask

[summer rivet]

i would not be able to give 6gb lol

[wide chasm]

Yeah that does sound complex /s

[worn ember]

or it was indexing the material class

[wide chasm]

That would explain the 6GB used

[summer rivet]

what is indexing?

[worn ember]

caching stuff

[wide chasm]

IntelliJ turns all the code you write into a very large tree so it can analyze it easily.

[vernal moth]

Chilling https://twitter.com/haltman/status/1502370136128434181?t=O5ANgU790ieWFXfG4Wat8Q&s=19

Howard Altman (@haltman)

Some chilling A-level messaging here by Ukraine. https://t.co/XEss2DeMiR

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[ashen cliff]

I feel like someone already repaired that cell tower.
Techs, the hidden heroes.

[summer rivet]

looks like it found git

i cant do anything

[quick obsidian]

accept defeat

[summer rivet]

i did set the env

whats its problem

do i have to restart computer to apply changes?

[summer rivet]

yeah :(

[vital lichen]

Hey guys

Where is 1.18.1

[worn crest]

1.18.2 is better

more bugfixes and the server start faster

[vital lichen]

thanks

appreciate it

[charred sleet]

whats the embed thing underneath called

[frank otter]

link preview?

[charred sleet]

cool thanks

[viral hornet]

an embed

[charred sleet]

was trying to work out if you could change it on gh pages

[frank otter]

iirc it's some stupid headers

not sure tho

[full rune]

discord creates the link embeds based on the site's meta tags: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/54266598/meta-tags-for-url-with-description-and-image-in-skype-discord

[vernal moth]

just like any web service

[worn ember]

https://ogp.me/

[charred sleet]

epic thanks

[worn ember]

well wrong part of the reply but you get the gist

[summer rivet]

can anyone tell me how to set git path in env variable, i followed a tutorial but it dont work :/

[golden gust]

the git installer does that by default

[summer rivet]

i have git portable there is no installer

i dont realy trust installers

i did add to PATH "C/documents/programs/git"

i copied from the address title

[golden gust]

there is an installer

git for windows

[summer rivet]

i know

[summer rivet]

^

[golden gust]

nvm then

make sure that you add the bin folder to the path, or whatver the folder where git.exe was in to there

do note you'll need to restart any open command prompts

[summer rivet]

oh okay thanks will try

[left swift]

.

what do we do when we dont trust cat

[golden gust]

eat the yellow snow

[worn ember]

Is there a way to automate uploads to spigot?

[golden gust]

I mean, technically, yea, just gotta send the right requests, etc

people have done it before

practically, "automated access is evil, death to all those who try!"

[worn ember]

gonna be glad when hangar is around

so i can use free plugin storage there

[spare venture]

i don’t trust machines

[worn ember]

i'd trust a machine more than most humans tbh

[left swift]

put a shirt on

[pastel reef]

What does the E behind some AMD FX processors mean?

[void void]

Who spends the most time working on Paper - Aikar, cat, kashike or mini?

[worn crest]

currently most of the commits are from owen 😅 aikar is inactive

[vernal moth]

right know prolly kenny and machine, lol

unless you count working on hangar as working on paper, since thats all I do

excluding behind the scenes stuff of course

[golden gust]

much of what the core team does now has moved away from actual code more towards managing the politics of it all

joys of getting big, I guess

[left swift]

right u tell urself that cat

[vernal moth]

isn't delegation fun?

[void void]

politics?

does he mean legal stuff or something?

[left swift]

yea bring back politics channel so we can talk about minecraft politics

[void void]

what is minecraft politics?

[left swift]

you're asking too many questions

[golden gust]

more project politics, deciding stuff, etc

[vernal moth]

politics as in managing everything, talking to other projects and just generally governing the project and its future (which is shaping up really exiting, cant wait to show what we are cooking right now!)

[golden gust]

My current machine is basically hardly capable of keeping up and such, like, merging a PR is literally 10-20 minute work for a single PR

[left swift]

is it pasta

[foggy silo]

🥚

[worn crest]

i heard that you spoiler us 👀

[golden gust]

So, I just try and aim to find the time here and there to approve stuff where I can between health and all that

[vernal moth]

we should use paper donation money to get cat a new machine, lol

[left swift]

a new paperweight

[golden gust]

Not even a few years ago, upstream merges where done by like, me aikar and Z playing tag

nowadays we've got an entire team of people tryna jump in to touch it

[left swift]

z come back make wiz a mod again

[golden gust]

even when I've really wanted to do stuff I've not been able to get through the crowd of other devs tryna work on stuff, is fun

[vernal moth]

in other news, the new hangar frontend is fast

https://i.imgur.com/o79p5IY.png

with gzip on the initial html its 1.5s FCP

[left swift]

but

[golden gust]

zstd?!

#wen

[worn crest]

lmao Papier

[left swift]

Dies

[golden gust]

ACHTUNG!
ALLES TURISTEN UND NONTEKNISCHEN LOOKENSPEEPERS!
DAS KOMPUTERMASCHINE IST NICHT FÜR DER GEFINGERPOKEN UND MITTENGRABEN! ODERWISE IST EASY TO SCHNAPPEN DER SPRINGENWERK, BLOWENFUSEN UND POPPENCORKEN MIT SPITZENSPARKEN.
IST NICHT FÜR GEWERKEN BEI DUMMKOPFEN. DER RUBBERNECKEN SIGHTSEEREN KEEPEN DAS COTTONPICKEN HÄNDER IN DAS POCKETS MUSS.
ZO RELAXEN UND WATSCHEN DER BLINKENLICHTEN.

[worn crest]

a mix of english, german and dutch

[warm anchor]

Hey zcat how do you type the U with two dots on top??

[left swift]

ü

[golden gust]

I copy pasta'd that from google

[vestal jasper]

Ü

[golden gust]

Well, wiki

[warm anchor]

[golden gust]

it's basically a well old, well known thing

das blinkenlights

[worn crest]

ÜÄÖ my keyboard has it

[left swift]

LOOKENSPEEPERS!

[golden gust]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blinkenlights

[worn crest]

neologism

[left swift]

blinkenlights if the weeknd was german

[worn crest]

blinkenlights sounds rater dutch for traffic light

noah change my mind

[left swift]

@void void

[worn ember]

blink lichtje

[worn crest]

"Lichtzeichenanlage"

[lavish compass]

that's still a bit disappointing

@warm anchor

[void void]

blink isn't really a word i'd use in dutch

but it does sound dutch, yeah

[left swift]

just dont say blinken

[topaz mortar]

Blinklicht , Blinklichter (plural) -> car indicator.

[worn ember]

just found the DVD of this gem... the colors on the back of the disk were disturbingly off from a normal dvd but it still seems to read fine

strange to think 2010 was 12 years ago now

[left swift]

pump

[worn ember]

pump and dump

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/2DDhX3iQ-2022-03-12_20-50-39.png

[worn ember]

Programmers productivity: 📉

[vale sleet]

all the programmers gonna quit their jobs

[wet storm]

okay, let's use stack underflow then

[limpid knot]

thx Amazon

[left swift]

close enough

[summer rivet]

how do i check hdd speed again?

[void void]

hi

[serene bolt]

CrystalDiskMark is a great benchmarking program for that

[limpid knot]

Thanks Puremin0rez

You are valued and appreciated

Don't ever doubt yourself

[warm anchor]

Omg pure is gonna blush

[serene bolt]

[magic river]

[worn ember]

[left swift]

[worn ember]

😶

[summer rivet]

oh ok its trustable on their official site? i just watched in virusscanners and it seem to modify thinks in windows32, but idk maybe its wanted

[wind geyser]

[wind geyser]

if you're that paranoid, run it in a VM first

[serene bolt]

yes, it's a safe download if you're grabbing it from the official site. https://crystalmark.info/en/download/#CrystalDiskMark

[wind geyser]

If you use windows, press the Win key and the period key and then look for symbols and do it there

sulu

why did you remove your comment?

[wraith trail]

I read up further

[wind geyser]

aight

it's an honest mistake

things like that always happen lol

[left swift]

sulu toxic

[meager dawn]

the chat event works now :)

[glass crag]

😵‍💫

[meager dawn]

on chat:
  trigger:
    send raw (event-sender's name + " said something in chat!") to the server console as an audience

[rose minnow]

wtf

skript bytecode compiler?

https://tenor.com/view/ian-malcom-jurassic-park-science-could-should-gif-5197847

[meager dawn]

nah it's an implementation of the skript language that isn't dependent on mc

[meager dawn]

it's fun :)

cos ur camera software and hardware are different

[left swift]

nice camera roll

[cosmic raft]

cursed

[split barn]

whats the best way to get 1.8 pvp on something like 1.18? I know theres a couple plugins but they dont seem to really hit the mark.

[native wolf]

OldCombatMechanics is what i used before

no one noticed it wasn't 1.8

so ig it works

[golden gust]

OCM deals with much stuff

Like, tbqh, for a server I was running I just reduced the cooldown a good chunk and people where happy enough

there are movement changes in the client itself which is what annoyed me the most, tbqh

felt like you turned into a sumo wrestler tryna parkour or some shit

[split barn]

gotcha, thanks guys

[lilac moon]

for some reason the minecraft wiki says item frames are java edition only

[foggy silo]

They are only entities in java

In BE they are a block entity

[limpid knot]

I’m gonna get this hairstyle

[twin lagoon]

ok

[limpid knot]

Do you like it

[lilac moon]

oh that would explain it, i was looking at a page for mob drops

seeing this confused me

[keen sundial]

Hello, can someone answer what is the best buildtools for a minecraft survival server with friends and plugins (bukkit/spigot/paper etc)

[lilac moon]

if you mean the best server software, paper

[potent wedge]

Only spigot has build tools and it's because they mis-interpreted a new law

Like 3 lines of python flake could get you to be good with whatever law they're complying with

Bukkit doesn't exist anymore, atleast I don't think so

And paper is definitely the best its like that kid that takes inspiration from your homework but somehow makes it 100x better

[magic river]

What?

It was a new law, copyright has existed for a while now...

[potent wedge]

Flake is a python library for making web sites and stuff

It's not copyright?????

[magic river]

Yes, yes it is

[potent wedge]

How would copyright correlate to direct links

[magic river]

Someone issued a DMCA takedown against CraftBukkit saying it was violating the GPL, a copyright license, and was thus violating their copyright and was illegal to distribute

Making a website that gives you a jar would still be distributing it

[potent wedge]

The buildtools is a jar though

[unkempt drift]

But it doesn’t contain any server code

[magic river]

buildtools downloads vanilla and some patch files and puts them together on your computer

The combination is illegal to distribute but it's a grey area whether the patch files or the tool to combine them is

[potent wedge]

Huh

[magic river]

Paper does the same thing but with a binary patch instead so you don't need the JDK, just the JRE

[potent wedge]

Oh now I get it, spigot shipped with original server already installed instead of like paper does of downloading it

[magic river]

That's what paperclip is, a tool to download a vanilla server jar and a binary diff which it then applies to that vanilla jar

[golden gust]

spigot ships a tool which downloads all of the stuff to build a jar

paperclip is a magical bootstrap which downloads the vanilla jar and patches it, basically

both are in this fun "legally gray" area in which is in that stale mate where neither party wants to absorb the costs and the risks of losing in court, etc

[potent wedge]

I get it
Spigot doesn't use jar but instead build tools because it came with mokangs copyrighted stuff in it and paper just mods it

[magic river]

Lawyers and academics have argued either way on whether what Spigot and Paper do is legal and no one has ever gone through a whole trial on a similar incident to get a precedent set

[potent wedge]

I thought it was just some dumb internet law made by un-informed people instead of copyright infringement

[magic river]

People argue about whether the DMCA is a good thing or not (it's complicated) but even that is technically a part of copyright law, not something people just made up

And it's meant to make it easier to enforce copyright law on the internet

[vernal moth]

I mean DMCA is a dum internet law that is missdesigned and gets abused all the time

Thankfully company's like GitHub fight dmca takedown requests now

[foggy veldt]

The paper rewrite should be named paper airplane

Or paperwork

[full rune]

paper is the server software, paperclip is the magical bootstrap which applies paper changes on top of the mojang server jar

[unkempt drift]

wat

[full rune]

spigot has buildtools which does basically the same thing as paperclip

[unkempt drift]

wat

no, paperclip and buildtools are very different things under the hood, that try and accomplish a similar goal.

"paperclip is its own buildtools"

no, that means paperclip is buildtools for itself

if you said paperclip is paper's own buildtools that would make more sense

but paperclip is its own buildtools... its implies ownership from the thing preceding it, in this case paperclip. implying paperclip is paperclip's own buildtools in some recursive nonsense.

hence the wat

[vernal moth]

Paperclip operates on binary, buildtools forces users to operate on source (and thus is much slower and more error prone and requires a dev setup)

And spigot patches bukkit just like we patch spigot

But Bukkit is maintained by spigot so nobody knows why they differentiate between spigot and Bukkit

That's what I mean with dev env, requires all kinda shit normal users don't have

Yes

And internet

[full rune]

leaf

[vernal moth]

Another big difference is in how you run it, paperclip you just download the latest version like you would a server jar and run it, for buildtools you gotta download latest buildtools and then rerun it for every new spigot build and copy the jar to your server, it's a hassle

[unkempt drift]

well tuinity doesn't exist anymore

[full rune]

tuinity is discontinued

its patches were merged into paper

oops

wrong reply

[vernal moth]

How dare you

[unkempt drift]

||yatopia||

where is the big fork picture

[vernal moth]

Unless you have a reason to switch, just stay with paper, as it's the most used and most tested software right now

[unkempt drift]

its got like 4000 more config options in its purpur.yml (among other things, not just counting those)

[full rune]

purpur adds things that should be in a plugin

[vernal moth]

If you wanna learn more about that I suggest you to join the Purpur discord tho, as this isn't really the place

[full rune]

yes

[native wolf]

https://smhsmh.club/forks#v=1

[vernal moth]

But the real thing you should be using is velocity, it's waterfall without bungeecord ^^

[unkempt drift]

Mirai… first I’ve heard of this

[native wolf]

It's Yatopia 4.0

[vernal moth]

Isn't mirai a kinda loaded term in this community? Lol

[native wolf]

yeah, the name can be associated to some other things

like the Mirai botnet or whatever happened

[vernal moth]

Cause you know, Mirai was the botnet people created around the whole proxypipe shit and attacked basically the whole community which giant ddos attack, lol

[native wolf]

yup

the name wasn't a good choice lol

[vernal moth]

Still insane to know that one of the biggest botnets ever was created by a minecraft player is his fucking dorm

[native wolf]

the block game community is insane

just how it goes lol

[vernal moth]

Not proxypipe, protraf, sorry coelho

Paras way only convicted for attacking his uni iirc, not all the other stuff

[quasi valley]

No time for that if you're running Paper and good configs/plugins

[void void]

what is minecraft politics?

[native wolf]

even with 50 plugins, my server starts in less than 30 seconds

like kenny said, you gotta use good plugins

[wraith wyvern]

i don't support the Ukraine

any questions?

[void void]

why

[void void]

many

[worn ember]

how tf does short startup time correlate with good plugins at all

[worn crest]

Im at about 8s for Mini-Games and 15s for a bunch plugins. That's good :p but 1s would be better

[worn ember]

all that means is that they do fuck all at startup

[worn crest]

Luckperms use 700ms 🤔 and guess that's a good one

[worn ember]

yeah good luck doing anything in a few seconds when theres world stuff involved

[ashen cliff]

In that case, clean up your LP DB.

[native wolf]

well some shitty plugins can take ages to start, there are notable exceptions in both cases tho

[ashen cliff]

Over like 3 years, we had a bunch of unused nodes, cleaning them up, speed up LP a bit.
Tho, having a fast DB is key.

[worn crest]

All I have are under I second I guess

[worn crest]

I'm 2 years in the business but idk what tables are unused haha and mariadb

[native wolf]

LuckPerms starts in around 100-200ms for me, so yeah, clean up your DB

[ashen cliff]

Bruh and Bruh.

[worn ember]

dont feed the trolls

[ashen cliff]

MariaDB and MySQL have a bunch of tunables that are worth looking at, if you have a fast machine.

[worn crest]

Guess an i9 7th gen is a fast one

[worn ember]

my worlds on my local machine are like 15gb in total cuz of rtp lol

[worn crest]

That's pretty

[ashen cliff]

Talking in terms of storage and memory.

[worn crest]

1tb SSD and 64gigs of memory but dunno the specs. I might try with tuning DB with some Blogposts or like that haha

[ashen cliff]

Have fun I guess.

Tho, it do be all over the place: https://posili.me/i/7LDD4H5y-2022-03-13_10-04-35.png

Colo is actually pretty cheap, if you can find "small" providers like the post or some ISPs.

[worn crest]

Last time I touched DB settings I messed a bit up but I try again with more system knowledge

[ashen cliff]

I guess, you call it mail? So... mail/post office.

[marble lark]

lmao

[worn ember]

its always the petty players

lmao

cyber security is a field i want to get into at some point

[surreal ermine]

hey all how can i download 1.18.1?

[vernal moth]

1. why? use 1.18.2 please 1.18.1 is outdated
2. load more builds scroll down on the downloads page

[surreal ermine]

cause sf still cant support it fully

2- thank u so much

[vernal moth]

sf?

[surreal ermine]

slimefun

[vernal moth]

oh slimefun?

lmao

we should add a /slimefun command and have it link to this https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/story-time-the-story-of-bob.304159/

[surreal ermine]

but it would be nice tbh to use 1.18.2 if warden is here

then why 1.18.2 ? what has changed?

i seriously thought that 1.18.2 got warden

[void void]

Thats a seperate experimental snapshot

[worn crest]

Nothing for you

[vernal moth]

https://i.imgur.com/jCulUgH.png

all the routes! https://i.imgur.com/iUi5N7v.png

[void void]

Haha nice

[summer rivet]

does anyone have a link to the Eclipse IDE discord?

[vernal moth]

do they even have one?

[worn crest]

They have a discord?

[upbeat falcon]

The Eclipse Community Server

https://discord.com/invite/pTrTmF6H32

The official Eclipse Community Server for the Youtuber Eclipse. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnirzf0fEAPfQV__61iwSQQ | 33650 members.

About 6,140,000 results (0.39 seconds)

[vernal moth]

there you go

google is hard

oh

wait

lmao

[worn crest]

I'm happy if I get intellij on my school pc to not suffer with 2018 eclipse

[worn crest]

Unofficial one?

[summer rivet]

this is not the server about the IDE

[vernal moth]

its some dum youtuber

[summer rivet]

i already found this link but doubt they can help ahaha

[wraith wyvern]

national-socialism country

[vernal moth]

I dont think help is possible when using eclipse, its a lost cause at this point, but thats my personal judgement

[vernal moth]

wat

[wraith wyvern]

sorry my English is bad

like third reich

germany at 1940s

[vernal moth]

yeah no, lmfao

their president literally is a jew

stop listening to putin

[wraith wyvern]

they block russian language

[vernal moth]

they dont?

[wraith wyvern]

they yes

[vernal moth]

many cities have like 90% russian speaking people

keep your pooptin propaganda out of here and start educating yourself please

[wraith wyvern]

they heat basic russian people

not army

common people

[vernal moth]

wrong again

[summer rivet]

oh come on its not thaaat bad, i mean why u think so

[vernal moth]

ukrain and russians are brothers, have been for ever, many russians have family in ukrain and vice versa

[wraith wyvern]

yes, ukrianian and russian brothers

but I just say in ukrainian chat that i'm russian

and they banned me

[worn crest]

Intellij is simply better. Eclipse is more for beginner because it has less features (stand of 2018)

[vernal moth]

stop trying to justifying brutal attack wars, that only makes you look like an idiot who can't think for himself

[vernal moth]

are you surprised? you are right fucking now in the process of killing ukrainians and destroying their country, their home, their fucking hospitals

[wraith wyvern]

I like ukrainian

i like their culture

i don't like their government

[vernal moth]

why do you tolerate that your president is killing them then?

its a democratically elected government, you can have an opinion about the gov, you don't get to change it tho, its a fucking soveran nation

[wraith wyvern]

By some data, Ukrainian had plan to attack Donbass at 24 February

but russian attack first

[vernal moth]

by some data, I own the moon

doesn't mean that means anything, lmao

facts mate, facts are the only thing that matters, and its fact that putin is leading innocents teenagers into burtally murdering a whole country

[wraith wyvern]

Ok, if i show you how Ukrainian army does not allow access to humanitarian corridors

[worn crest]

Like Kant said: Have courage to serve own mind (bad translation haha)

[vernal moth]

but this isn't the place to discuss this, what I can tell you that any further attempt to justify this war will get you removed from this community

[wraith wyvern]

x2

[vernal moth]

we stand with democracy against fascists aggressors any day of the week

[wraith wyvern]

I love Ukrainian

[vernal moth]

tell your president to stop killing them then

[wraith wyvern]

He kills most of army, don't common peoples

[vernal moth]

he literally attacked a child hospital, lmfao

am sorry for you

[wraith wyvern]

This is fake

[next frost]

just ban this troll already

[vernal moth]

it has been independently verified

[wraith wyvern]

I can show you post with breaking that fake

[vernal moth]

hes not a troll

else he would be gone

sadly plenty russians are as brain washed as he is

[vernal moth]

by non russian influenced media?

[wraith wyvern]

by neutral media

[vernal moth]

well, we will be the judeg of that, drop a link

[wraith wyvern]

they break fakes about ukrianian too

one second

https://waronfakes.com/

[vernal moth]

also, btw, as a german, any comparison to hitler immediately weakens your point as there is nothing you can compare hitler too

[vernal moth]

that site doesn't even have any info about who publishes it, lmao

so sorry, thats propaganda

[wraith wyvern]

manifest

[vernal moth]

so they don't even try to hide that they aren't journalists

sorry, thats not credible info

[wraith wyvern]

ok

let forget about all and just send cats

[next frost]

"we don't do politics" lmao

[vernal moth]

am not saying there is no propaganda on either side, but there are plenty independently verified facts

this isn't a fucking humanitarian mission, its a brutal war, the whole world agrees on that, just a handful of countries don't.

[wraith wyvern]

Ok, forget about war

I don't support current Ukrainian government

[vernal moth]

but yes, lets drop it, and @wraith wyvern I know its hard to accept that your country is doing unspeakable things right now, but I hope that eventually you will be able think critically and that the russian people get a democratic president again

[wraith wyvern]

And what democratic president?

Eltsin?

[vernal moth]

this topic stops now.

[wraith wyvern]

ok

[wet storm]

I don't think we ever had democracy in our country, that's sad, but I too hope that it all will be fine

[wraith wyvern]

yes

putin is better than eltsin

[wet storm]

(No)

[wraith wyvern]

communist putin better than democratic eltsin

[vernal moth]

!warn @wraith wyvern defending putin

[thorny flicker]

:raised_hands: Warned TheSirCororo#6513 (defending putin) [1 total infraction] -- MiniDigger#3086.

[wraith wyvern]

i don't defend putin

[full rune]

just drop it already

[wraith wyvern]

i don't support him

[vernal moth]

!kick @wraith wyvern I said this topic stops now

[thorny flicker]

:raised_hands: Kicked TheSirCororo#6513 (I said this topic stops now) [2 total infractions] -- MiniDigger#3086.

[wraith wyvern]

ok sorry

What you think about red cats?

[smoky cloud]

I prefer electronic cats

[wet storm]

To be or not to be. that's the question.

[vernal moth]

they stink tho

[wet storm]

I prefer fluffy white cats

What do you think what is the best fursona to choose?

[worn ember]

Yikes

[void void]

Ah, thank you bukkit

[neon bramble]

iirc, about 70% of Russians support Putin's actions

so no surprise

[meager dawn]

incredibly

[cosmic raft]

yes

[neon bramble]

what the hell is that?

Firstly I thought it was decompiled kotlin to java

but the longer I stared, the worse it got

[meager dawn]

it's the decompiled output from this

[neon bramble]

wait

skript compiles to bytecode?

[meager dawn]

this one does :)

[neon bramble]

since when?

[lavish compass]

cursed

[meager dawn]

the project is 7 months old

i have a friend who did basically all of the work, i'm just making the part that interacts with the paper api

[neon bramble]

Source?

[meager dawn]

https://github.com/Moderocky/ByteSkript

my repo is private rn

docs @ https://docs.byteskript.org

[neon bramble]

interesting

[wet storm]

don't even imagine scala to java or clojure to java

[neon bramble]

It can't be worse than kotlin to java, right?

[worn ember]

@wide chasm quickskript wen

[meager dawn]

someone mentioned quickskript when i talked about this actually

[wide chasm]

At the current pace I'd be happy if it's done within five years lol

[wet storm]

No, clojure decompilation is prob the worst programming thing you'll ever see

[vernal moth]

excuse me intellj? how the fuck does it know that I want to use my controllers here https://i.imgur.com/OtUUA4G.png

pure magic

[meager dawn]

wtf

skynet vibes

[neon bramble]

eclipse users crying in the corner

[pastel reef]

Are SATA II and SATA III compatible?

[meager dawn]

eclipse users are still a thing?

i thought it was just limeglass

[neon bramble]

Oh you would be surprised

Even netbeans users are a thing

[meager dawn]

but why haven't they switched to IDEA

[neon bramble]

but both of those aren't as cursed as VSCode java devs

[meager dawn]

notepad jshell script go brr

[meager dawn]

SATA interfaces are backwards compatible, so the SATA II interface will function on SATA I ports, and SATA III interfaces are compatible with both SATA I and SATA II ports. However, there will be loss of sequential read and write speed rates when a newer SATA interface is hooked up to an older port version.

[neon bramble]

[prime coral]

DataGrip always magically knows which joins I want to write

[meager dawn]

i wonder how many indents each line of a brigadier command definition has on average

that's a lot of indentation

[vernal moth]

not just using cloud

[vernal moth]

ye, I have datagrip activated in IJ too

guys you need to r8 my tweet https://twitter.com/xMiniDiggerx/status/1502959019878719495

MiniDigger | Martin (@xMiniDiggerx)

I have been using @intellijidea for many, many years now, but it somehow still manages to surprise me.

I wrote a small composable with an url param and IJ knows that I prolly want to access routes in my @springframework backend and suggests the routes.

Pure magic. https://t.co/5ifHSC35Iq

Twitter · Mar 13, 2022, 10:45 AM

[neon bramble]

[vernal moth]

https://i.imgur.com/X0x8I27.png

is this a complex function?

sonarlint says its too complex

[void void]

not really imo

[vernal moth]

actually it has a mistake

there we go, more lines, less complex, lol

https://i.imgur.com/b8244sS.png

[prime coral]

I tested sonatype lift yesterday and it went like: woah every parameter of your method has @ NotNull, you should remove those duplicates

[vernal moth]

sonarlint is bae tho

[wet storm]

Btw, I use sonarqube in my dev team (we use our own hosted server) and eh... when I connected monorepo to it, it screamed the whole project page...

[vernal moth]

we use it extensively at work and already prevented many bugs

especially since we are traditionally an eclipse shop and I havent converted everybody yet, lmao

[summer rivet]

is there a way to change which .gradle directory gradle use for its caches? because else i have 300mb cache for every projects thats waste of storage

forge use the folder user/.gradle/caches

the one for paperweight use project/.gradle/caches

so its local :/

[wet storm]

Mostly it gives me some random codesmells about java's conventions, such as "you did final static instead of static final" but my partners code... I just disconnected his three projects from build process until he fixes them, it yelled at his code beacuse of his nms reflection classes, and for now I am thinking of making sorta mixin-like library for nms interaction (with no bytecode manipulation, just annotations, mojmap+yarn to spigot naming convertion and reflection)

[untold meadow]

kinda like jmp's reflection remapper?

[wet storm]

(Didn't know about this project, prob I should look at it, thanks) But I need also interaction with my data addons lib (https://github.com/xxr-mc/DataAddons) and some other libraries...

[wraith wyvern]

what you think about Kotlin?

[topaz mortar]

Lol, posted a similar screenshot at work and was surprised as well.
😅

[viral hornet]

prolly

🤢

[vernal moth]

Stocked up on Russian gas

😂

[neon bramble]

A pro tip: iirc you can set @NotNull as default everywhere

iirc it had something to do with package-info?

google it

[wet storm]

not funny, didn't laugh btw I bought euros when 1 euro = 100 rubbles, and for now... sorta stonks

[smoky cloud]

Well this is great

Keep getting SSH auth fails from an IP in Moscow

The NSG on the VM is only supposed to allow port 22 from my own IP

Oh, it was rexec, which Oracle seems to always allow in regardless of your NSG's

Great design there

[wet storm]

It is kinda useful and has good collections, but i prefer java because it is sorta "discipline", most of plugin / mod developers develop java, and java itself has many syntax abilities if you use it smartly. If I need crazy functional things I develop Scala

[wet storm]

It is noob tip if you're not using Optional everywhere

[neon bramble]

optional introduces many issues

[prime coral]

I think you mean @ParametersAreNonNullByDefault

[neon bramble]

Maybe, I've never used it so idk, but I've heard about it being possible

[prime coral]

Which is not included in jetbrains annotations

And I was using @NonNull from lombok to generate the null checks for me :)

[neon bramble]

lombok

[wet storm]

The only two issues with optional I know are memory allocation becuase it it simply object and that it is incomplete monad. (but second issue is crazy, if you solve it you'll get DFU syntax, and memory allocation will be much worse) From the syntax point of view it is nice, it has .map and .flatmap methods

[wet storm]

I think that guava annotations are the best

[prime coral]

I only use it for @NonNull

[wet storm]

Use guava then...

[prime coral]

No?

[neon bramble]

The third issue comes with primitive types

auto (de)boxing of primitive types can become a huge issue

[neon bramble]

Allow me to get my favorite list

Why is Lombok bad?
- It's a compiler hack - the Java compiler isn't designed to modify code, so it can cause difficult to debug errors, or worse
- It requires an IDE plugin, so unless you've properly configured Maven, Gradle and your IDE, you'll get hundreds of compilation errors. This process takes time too, it's not easy
- Lombok'd code won't show in Javadocs
- The code generation is often unpredictable and difficult to debug, and often you'll have to do it "the hard way" anyway
- Java is supposed to be explicit, Lombok hides a lot of key functionality into a subtle annotation which can be easy to miss
- While IDEs support it with a plugin, it's usually more difficult to find specific things, like usages of a getter because they don't exist in the source code
- Finally, Lombok'd bytecode doesn't match the source code, so it causes a pretty annoying warning in IntelliJ

[prime coral]

ok

[wet storm]

You're talking about OptionalX primitive classes?

[neon bramble]

they exist?

[wet storm]

Yes

[neon bramble]

nvm then

[wet storm]

OptionalInt

[wraith wyvern]

we haven't sugar in shops...

[wet storm]

^ #general message

[narrow zinc]

Can I use Paper plugins and Fabric server mods at the same time?

[smoky cloud]

Thing is the SSH port was supposed to only be open from my IP

But Oracle's NSG's don't do squat apparently

[void void]

No

[topaz mortar]

@void void I prefer nginx just comfortable with their config.

Webservers what do you expect?

[neon bramble]

wdym by paper plugins? Plugins that will only run on paper, or plugins that will run on bukkit?

[wet storm]

If you find out cardboard, don't even try to use it, it is broken as an idea itself

[topaz mortar]

You can configure it to onl expose stuff you want. So not a problem.

[vernal walrus]

Heya, does anyone know of an alternative world format that's faster and smaller then the one used by MC by default? I need to save on storage space but it's a survival server so I can't use something like Slime format

[neon bramble]

he can try magma

https://magmafoundation.org/

[wet storm]

no

[neon bramble]

why?

If it will work

I do not see an issue

[vernal walrus]

(Magma is for Forge)

[neon bramble]

oh

[vernal walrus]

But Bukkit's API really isn't meant to be used elsewhere

[neon bramble]

he was asking for fabric

nvm

[narrow zinc]

I want to have Bukkit plugins on my server: WorldGuard, Essentials and others. And I chose Paper server.

And now I want to add Fabric server mods.

Is it completely impossible?

[topaz mortar]

You can deactivate the directory listing.

[neon bramble]

considering that cardboard is incomplete, worldguard pbly won't work, you can try cardboard, but I recommend you to backup your shit first

[void void]

Hybrids often fuck up their implementation of the bukkit api

[neon bramble]

cough cough mohist

[wet storm]

I advise you to find analogs of plugins you need in Fabric mods.

[neon bramble]

cardboard claims that worldguard should work there

[topaz mortar]

It's either the sys admin fault when he didn't disable file listings or the devs fault by not escaping/normalizing the input path.

[wet storm]

(https://github.com/kennytv/list-of-shame)

[neon bramble]

Magma ain't there lol

[vernal moth]

Async coulds?

[wet storm]

Every hybrid server software is broken

[neon bramble]

Have you tried every hybrid server software?

[topaz mortar]

Cannot comment on that. Haven't used PHP for a while. I heard that PHP can create native code out of that script. So it shouldn't be interpreted each time if the hash didn't change.

[neon bramble]

[vernal moth]

Paper already logs asyc fwiw, lol

[topaz mortar]

You'll have that problem in every language if the dev doesn't explicitly fix it.

I don't like PHP myself but hating on a language just because someone is to stupid to use it right?

[vernal moth]

Some languages are smarter about handling user input than others

[vernal walrus]

(Just gonna bump this since i kinda need to know :p)

[topaz mortar]

None I know. You excluded slime already.

[vernal walrus]

Rip

[wide chasm]

The intent of ViaVersion is that you can allow people on newer versions to join even if you can't update your server yet, because plugins or other components have not been updated yet.

But servers just abuse it to stay on outdated versions while allowing everyone to join.

[worn crest]

[wide chasm]

There are many changes made between the different styles of pvp, a gamerule isn't suited for that

Hopefully the new combat will get everyone on that, but I'm personally quite sceptical of that.

[glass crag]

i dont see why a gamerule wouldnt work

runescape did something similar

is 1.9+ pvp really that bad

[worn crest]

if thats get applied is the question, 2 years and nothing new. and it seems still 1.9 like

[worn crest]

i mean hit, wait 2 seconds, hit the next hit. if you miss youre fucked

[void void]

I prefer it over getting carpal tunnel ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wide chasm]

Because the changes are quite large and could interfere with other components. For example, what if I change the cooldown of weapons manually with 1.8 style pvp, does the cooldown stay or not?

The delays in 1.9 pvp are a bit too long, but it's much better than the spam clicking of 1.8 imo

[worn crest]

and the whole packets, thats not a easy change 😄

[worn crest]

i hit about 6cps, that should be fine, but some german 13 year olds with 50 cps makes no fun administration is better than pvp

[wide chasm]

The main problem for me with 1.8 pvp is that there's no penalty for swinging too early: if I swing a bit too early, I can just swing again assuming I can click fast enough. But in 1.9 swinging too early has consequences in reduced damage, which means you have to properly time your swings.

[vernal moth]

Which they still are planning to do

Cool, I don't care

They are irrelevant number wise

[void void]

no they aren't lol