general

[void void]

but without bug reports developers can't fix bugs

[warm anchor]

May it rest in peace

[worthy geode]

Sometimes, even with reports they don't get fixed. Like yatopia

[void void]

that maybe the case for 0 star repositories...

[worthy geode]

But stars also don't mean it works at all. We currently have 130 stars on a project that does not even load on 1.18.2

[golden gust]

it's a 9 year old plugin which is barely maintained

it's gonna have bugs

like literally every other eco plugin out there

idk a single one which is competent and actively maintained

CC3 or forks thereof is basically the best option out there these days

[worthy geode]

I would say that EssentialsX is actively maintained, but it's definitely very basic

[void void]

EssentialsX has so many features I don't need, also it can't be reloaded(I debug my plugin on IntelliJ and use reload mechanism for some sort of hot reloading, not for production)

[worthy geode]

It can't be? Interesting. But well, yes, using essentials only for the economy features isn't really a good idea.

[void void]

https://github.com/pavog/craftconomy3

This one looks good

[tropic flame]

... I bet that's a fork

[void void]

yes?

[worthy geode]

so many dependabot commits that I can't see what actually changed

[tropic flame]

so it looks good because it's got 20 stars?

[tropic flame]

it indeed looks good

[void void]

because the original is abandoned and this one looks maintained at lesat

[tropic flame]

I'd say that if the only thing that fork does is updating dependencies mindlessly then the plugin is stable as all hell

[worthy geode]

well, if you only count real commits and not dependency updates, phoenix fork actually has the more recent commit

[void void]

could you tell me your recommended economy plugin?

[tropic flame]

the server I'm a staff at makes extensive use of EssentialsX, so that's the one we use ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[void void]

I'd use EssentialsX only if it only had economy feature...

[tropic flame]

and it does?

I'm pretty sure there's /bal and sell signs and other stuff

[void void]

no i mean, i don't need any features except for economy

[tropic flame]

oh

ok i read what you said wrong

uuuuh you can disable everything you want though

[void void]

I don't think it's a good idea to disable everything...

[tropic flame]

then don't disable everything

have all features

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I like to be dense LMFAO but truthfully I don't know what other servers use tbh

maybe their own code?

you'd have to code the entire thing yourself though

[void void]

if i had to code entire thing myself i guess the fork will do better

[golden gust]

I meanthat fork saw some changes like, 2 years ago

everything else since then is dependency updates

[golden gust]

cool, trivial tweak to deal with a dependency update

such revelations

[smoky cloud]

Such revelation, this was not my intention

[tropic flame]

MrPowerGamerBR 😮

[worthy geode]

do you use ChestShop?

[void void]

no

[worthy geode]

ah well, because its also maintained by phoenix who you apparently don't trust

[tropic flame]

phoenix uses IRC, I'd rather trust an IRC user than my third degree cousin

primarily because I don't know any third degree cousins

but my point still stands

[void void]

https://github.com/Phoenix616/craftconomy3
Why don't you leave a star if you use this fork and build plugin by yourself

oh there's CI

[tropic flame]

sure, give me a moment

[golden gust]

people rarely star repos unless theres a driving call for it

[tropic flame]

there, should have one more star now

[golden gust]

I had my own fork of the OG repo time ago to fix some small issues

[tropic flame]

two stars total

[golden gust]

but, both repos are basically more or less inactive bar the odd tweak here and there

[void void]

i know

[tropic flame]

btw imagine Canary

[void void]

but you don't know better implementation, right?

[golden gust]

no

[worthy geode]

its not really that its missing any major features anyways

[tropic flame]

better implementation is the one I write myself.

[golden gust]

because as I literally already explained, most people who make eco plugins have 0 clue of what they're doing when it comes to mysql

and then the plugins hit the "complete" status and the devs disappear

[rare python]

That's why I use mongodb

[golden gust]

in turn all you're left with is the odd actually good plugin like CC3 which is unmaintained with some issues from the rot, and the odd rando "does it all" eco plugin which is OTT and unstable af

[rare python]

However on the note of economy plugins, anyone happen to know a good, well maintained one? I would quite like to ditch EssentialsX at some point.

[void void]

same

[worthy geode]

we literally have been talking about that

[rare python]

I just woke up, so I am a bit late to the party.

[void void]

im not dare enough to use unmaintained repository

[rare python]

Or am I just gonna have to make my own?

[worthy geode]

there is TNE, but imo it does too much and im not sure how good or bad its DB stuff is

[void void]

(why would you have to make their own from zero when you are smart enough to maintain someone else's repository)

[timber sentinel]

Maintaining your own code is easier than someone else's

[golden gust]

why would you wanna adopt the rottery of another project for something of which the core features are trivial

[rare python]

An eco plugin seems like something fairly easy, I could just make my own and integrate it into my pre-existing custom plugin.

Won't even need to implement the Vault API.

[void void]

i still remember iConomy7

[golden gust]

yea

[worldly rock]

Hello

[golden gust]

and everybody flocked off to CC3 more or less

[void void]

CC3 is dead and i might have to migrate CC3 database to something else in the future

just like iConomy 7

[golden gust]

as I've literally been saying for the past hour or whatever

they're all dead

there is a reason why people are just strangling on CC3

unless you wanna go for the ones within the odd other plugin like ess, or maybe CMI, etc

[covert atlas]

hello

[golden gust]

all of which are often strangling on the side of stupidly overengineered/featured

[quick obsidian]

im wondering the impact making your title more annoying actually has on sales - i think i'm gonna run a little experiment on clickbaitiness against profit on spigot

[rare python]

The main reason why I wanna get rid of Essentials is because its so bloated.

It implements so many things I just don't want.

[covert atlas]

disable them

[rare python]

And what I do want, I can replicate easily.

[quick obsidian]

disable them, ess really is as good as they come in terms of plugins

[golden gust]

the commands are still registered

[quick obsidian]

shoutout pineapple man, thank you for ess 🙏

[golden gust]

They miiiiight have fixed that in the past year or so, idr

[pastel reef]

Should I buy a used CPU off amazon?

[quick obsidian]

used off of ebay surely

[worthy geode]

⚡⚡⚡ 200% Performance ⚡⚡⚡ [90% SALE]

[covert atlas]

SUPER SPEED

[golden gust]

ASYNC!

[covert atlas]

CUSTOM

[quick obsidian]

i hate having to do shit like this man

[rare python]

Surely async means good... right?

[golden gust]

well

aux

[quick obsidian]

this is painful to look at and all my plugins are like that atm

[void void]

[EVERY CODE runs ASYNC]

[golden gust]

maybe if you made good plugins

[quick obsidian]

[worthy geode]

"48-Hour 50% Off Flash Sale to celebrate 2000 downloads! (Ends Monday)"

[left swift]

[timber sentinel]

you're missing async in the title there

[quick obsidian]

it just makes it feel a bit cheap i think, i should measure the impact on sales

i think its experiment time

[worthy geode]

just be like skript, which had an async: effect which you could put literally everywhere at some point

[quick obsidian]

obviously my biggest competitor is AE, and i want to distance myself as much from that heap of shit as I can

so having a very different title style should be part of that

[golden gust]

and then, after that

what you do is, try to distance it as far from the heap of shit that you are as you can

[quick obsidian]

?? what did i ever do to you man

[rare python]

[golden gust]

Guns stuck on full auto

sorry bud

[quick obsidian]

what's wrong with my plugins

[ashen cliff]

That they exist?

[covert atlas]

[covert atlas]

^

lol

[golden gust]

huggles Aux

[rare python]

Step 1 to making your plugin good: Drop spigot support.

[golden gust]

step 2: Install gentoo

[quick obsidian]

i WISH

[golden gust]

step 3: become neckbeard plugin dev

[quick obsidian]

md_5 means i can't do that because he's the most stubborn man alive

[rare python]

Drop Spigot support anyway.

[golden gust]

has to support spigot to be on spigots resource section

[quick obsidian]

lose 90% of your revenue INSTANTLY with this one simple trick

[golden gust]

I mean, makes sense

[rare python]

Then don't be on the Spigot resources section.

[quick obsidian]

90% of my revenue, i can't

[golden gust]

I mean, that's easy to say

[quick obsidian]

arcaniax has the best title/descriptions i've seen i'll model it after that

[golden gust]

but, how else is he gonna get those mega chad faction server owners to shower him with dollars

[quick obsidian]

yeah im starting to think this is a good idea

i'll need to update the plugin thread to move things that were in the title into it

[rare python]

I wouldn't go around claiming that your "the best".

[quick obsidian]

i'm perfectly comfortable calling it the best enchants plugin, because it is

[left swift]

is it really revenue if its spigot

[quick obsidian]

yes

[left swift]

nah

the dictionary has a clause for spigot earnings

[quick obsidian]

before and after but it's the wrong way round, on top is after

[waxen panther]

💀

[quick obsidian]

about time i stopped being the annoying guy with the clickbaity titles

[left swift]

@waxen panther shut up

[quick obsidian]

@golden gust there see im sorting my plugins out

[left swift]

dont vie for cats approval

it will kill u

[waxen panther]

mf just pinged cat

[ashen cliff]

Why does a simple directory listing need A GOD DAMN LOAD SCREEN? https://posili.me/i/eDSFUT3r-2022-03-07_14-24-37.webm

[left swift]

jfrog

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/EzGQ6kug-2022-03-07_14-28-18.png

https://posili.me/i/Rh5K5KLb-2022-03-07_14-28-30.png

MICRO.

[magic river]

So it looks like old school file listings but it's really all dynamic and generating the page via API calls

[ashen cliff]

It's so cursed, that the noscript doesn't even show up.

[quick obsidian]

that's a lot better

[left swift]

nice and clean

[warm anchor]

Only thing missing now is a weeb profile pic

[quick obsidian]

out of principle, no

[mental meadow]

not downloading plugins without cute anime girls

[clear bay]

how i do to a minecraft-client with mods connect a bungeecord server?

[left swift]

where is the eco mascot

[clear bay]

players get this error

[quick obsidian]

eco doesn't have a mascot

[warm anchor]

Not yet

[left swift]

perfect time for an anime mascot

[warm anchor]

[quick obsidian]

if you want to make an anime mascot go ahead lmao but that's not really my thing

[left swift]

may I suggest big enormous

eyes

ok phone

[native wolf]

eco-chan when

[quick obsidian]

hold on i'll ask in my discord

and when i say 'ask' i mean have a chuckle at the idea of an anime plugin mascot

[golden gust]

yea

everybody knows that it's all about furries these days

[magic river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/555469074080202765/826997823786319933/Paper-chan_Optimized.png

[left swift]

[quick obsidian]

eco chan is unironically a funny suggestion

[rare python]

Remind me again why I keep looking in this channel.

[left swift]

who are you

[tropic flame]

Paper-chan is based

idk why y'all have a hard time with her

she treats everyone kindly and then you want to nuke her out of existence

[left swift]

shut up

[quasi valley]

Can't nuke something out of existence that doesn't exist

[tropic flame]

make me 😈

[left swift]

[rare python]

No need to nuke, surely they are made out of Paper? If so, all you need is a lighter.

[magic river]

[quick obsidian]

🧨

[quasi valley]

🔫

[smoky cloud]

[left swift]

[rare python]

Anime be gone.

[magic river]

https://giphy.com/gifs/good-otaku-BZCqzyt7lDUDS

This is what I get when I look for "anime weird" 😄

[golden gust]

oh god, phew

for some reason that reminded me of something else

like, when it was frozen

involving an egg

[left swift]

eggs are cats weakness

replace anime with pokimane

vote me for papermc general

[little frost]

that's like even worse

[left swift]

for u

[warm anchor]

That character is like very popular when it was released

[golden gust]

that shows on my long list of shows I should probably but will never watch

https://giphy.com/gifs/anime-gif-GwOVvsMGbU0dG

[magic river]

Wait so this show is The World God Only Knows but aliens?

[left swift]

are those the same people

[magic river]

No, the one I put is https://date-a-live.fandom.com/wiki/Kurumi_Tokisaki apparently

[void void]

there are ISPs that dont allow port forwarding?

yes

[twin lagoon]

yes

[void void]

tf

[twin lagoon]

CGNAT

[void void]

Also if you're behin🥷

[magic river]

She kind of seems like a clone of https://madoka.fandom.com/wiki/Homura_Akemi

[left swift]

they're all the samr

I was about to make a joke but it would get me banned

[magic river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfoe1n00nSo

[twin lagoon]

@warm anchor stop the weebening

[golden gust]

"oh, death note, that looks interesting"

https://tenor.com/IfQ1.gif

[left swift]

they're all boring

why not watch interesting stuff like pokimane

[magic river]

https://giphy.com/gifs/attack-on-titan-eren-jaeger-zwPRprvrP4Lm0

[golden gust]

ah, yes, pokimane

I loved the naruto streams

[left swift]

my favorite anime is avatar last airbender

[magic river]

I watched AoT dubbed, might finish it subbed though before I forget everything

[golden gust]

I stopped watching dubbed years ago

[left swift]

I thought dubbed aot wasnt that bad but I only saw a few episodes dubbed

[golden gust]

I mean, to be fair, I hardly watch anime

[magic river]

The dub was pretty decent and it meant I could watch it in bed and such

[golden gust]

But, I watched like two shows in a row where the dub'd version sounds like they got the kiddo who stalks around the school to dub it

[left swift]

@warm anchor is a closet dub watcher

[mental meadow]

the only dub to watch is My Dress-Up Darling because AmaLee

[still bluff]

Help

I Need paper 1.16.5

[quick obsidian]

you probably don't - use 1.18

[still bluff]

YES

[left swift]

no

[still bluff]

I need 1.16.5

[crystal lily]

downloads page, scroll down, click legacy.

[left swift]

best command on the server

[smoky cloud]

l

[quick obsidian]

l

[foggy silo]

No link either, nice.

[still bluff]

/i

[crystal lily]

downloads page, scroll down, click legacy.

https://papermc.io/downloads

[left swift]

anyways

[ashen cliff]

The new spinoff is epic. 🛌

[magic river]

?

[ashen cliff]

Side story or whatever they want to call it.

[left swift]

krusic is a weeb??

[ashen cliff]

Magica Gaiden.

[mental meadow]

of course

[ashen cliff]

I do like that they added more guns in the BD version.

[magic river]

At a 10th anniversary event held on April 25, 2021, a sequel movie to Rebellion was announced, titled Walpurgisnacht: Rising (ワルプルギスの廻天, Warupurugisu no Kaiten).

[ashen cliff]

Probably tied in with Magica Gaiden. 🛌

[magic river]

That's a mobile game from 2017?

Oh they made an anime for it too

[little frost]

@cedar spade wtf is a giant wheel

[ashen cliff]

And the Anime is epic:
(Spoiler of course)
https://youtu.be/CtXKz21T_zI?t=77

[cedar spade]

Good question

[magic river]

Oh it's done by Shaft too

Although they're not what they used to be

[left swift]

shaq

[warm anchor]

I didn’t start it

[magic river]

I didn't realize they were basically only still holding it together long enough to finish the Monogatari series, wow

They finished that and then basically didn't do shit for years and all their talent left

[warm anchor]

The final project

[vernal moth]

makes sense, right?

you also need two steam accounts for two csgo accounts

[magic river]

Your second account is probably going to get locked right away

There were a lot of people making a Microsoft account to transfer their Mojang one to and then having it get immediately locked

[left swift]

would be cool to have multiple mc accounts on one microsoft account

like xbox allows you to have multiple profiles

[vernal moth]

locked as in, prompted for SMS

which is fine

you can have multiple MSAs just fine, even on the same mobile number

[magic river]

Right, locked as in "link to your phone"

[vernal moth]

its just a bot prevention mechanism or something

[foggy silo]

I wonder if for terminated Mojang accounts if support can help transfer those for you. (If you were to get it unterminated)

Cause I assume they will keep old accounts… even if they aren’t migrated?

[rare python]

I migrated my second account ages ago, and it still has not been locked.

Then again how my two MS accounts work is weird.

My main MS account is bound to my GitHub account, so theres that.

[left swift]

wasnt there some dev who freaked out because of the migration

on twitter

got them banned or something

[void void]

one of the forge devs iirc

[glass crag]

Think it was cpw

[vernal moth]

cpw used a throw away email and somehow his mobile number is not allowed either, but cpw also is the old man yells at cloud meme

[left swift]

[golden gust]

I mean

yea

[vernal moth]

mfw somebody opened an issue on my godot minecraft client

[golden gust]

but, apparently MS is also being useless in terms of resolving the issue

[left swift]

[vernal moth]

oh yeah cpw is stuck in the "not my department" back an forth

[teal crane]

Looks like + isn't supported anymore in microsoft emails
luckily I've got like a hundred email addresses so I can just reserve a few for my alt

[lilac moon]

It hasn't been supported for a while

At minimum

[quick obsidian]

made this less wanky finally, doing a big pass on how my plugins actually look to people

[teal crane]

I looked up "multiple minecraft accounts on one microsoft account" and they recommended +

[quick obsidian]

removed shitty clickbait titles and descriptions, un-wankified the descriptions, going well

[lilac moon]

yeah I tried to use a plus alias on my Microsoft account like a year ago and it wouldn't accept it

[quick obsidian]

ok yeah so just re-read that and it's still a bit wanky but it's definitely better

[tropic flame]

you can try using . if you're making Microsoft accounts with gmail emails

unless you really want the Outlook experience :p

I don't think Outlook/Hotmail ever allowed that, it was Gmail where if you used any other character besides alphanumeric it'd go to the same email address

[lilac moon]

I just make a different email since I have the entire domain

[lilac moon]

that can't be right

my school uses g suite and there's plenty of people with the same first name

and it's [e-mail]

[tropic flame]

@school.com, not @gmail.com :P

they can probably disable that on g suite

[lilac moon]

and I know my dad doesn't have a gmail address that's just his first name @ gmail.com

[tropic flame]

my school had the same thing except the first block were our IDs so they were all unique

[lilac moon]

because it's also a dot

[tropic flame]

what

[lilac moon]

my dad has a gmail address that's first . last @ gmail.com

[tropic flame]

yes

[lilac moon]

it is definitely the entire first.last thing, not just [e-mail]

[tropic flame]

that'd be the same as [e-mail]

[lilac moon]

hmm

[tropic flame]

I've made multiple discord accounts that way :p

and other social media for that matter

[e-mail]
[e-mail]

[e-mail]

these will all go to the same inbox

[magic river]

Wow teams finally got push to talk

You can do [e-mail] too

[tropic flame]

yeah it's just a key combo that temporarily unmutes you lmao

[tropic flame]

what??

really?

[magic river]

Everything after the + is ignored

[tropic flame]

that would actually help me remembering what email I've written for my accounts

thanks for the tip

[golden gust]

yea, but, MS blocks that for account registration last I tried

[tropic flame]

hmm, sadge

[golden gust]

but, in general, + is part of the spec, and nice

[lilac moon]

yeah

[rare python]

You can also add a . anywhere you want, which will also be ignored.

[pulsar tide]

small mistake

[quasi valley]

the guidelines are from that date

[left swift]

cmon kenny

do dates right

[cedar spade]

Kenny is also from that date

[left swift]

upside down man cant do dates

[rare python]

DD/MM/YYYY is the correct way to do dates

[golden gust]

no

[rare python]

Yes

[golden gust]

iso 8601 or GTFO

[quasi valley]

TRUE

[rare python]

No

DD/MM/YYYY

[golden gust]

yes, we get it

you're a normie pleb

[rare python]

At least I am not american with there stupid MM/DD/YYYY nonsense

Like that does not even make sense.

[left swift]

holy

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/xEh3TJ2G-2022-03-07_17-26-32.webm

Suffer.

[rare python]

Yes but what about people who are using the dark reader extension.

[left swift]

[Epic Legendary VIP] kingbob3: my country is poor we cant afford minecraft!

[cedar spade]

YMY/DYM/DY is the superior date format
200/023/72

[left swift]

epic legendary VIP- $250 usd

[golden gust]

find me a single md which isn't the worst

[left swift]

ur the worst

[golden gust]

consume leavings

[left swift]

consummate joinings

[lilac moon]

Oh my goodness

[cyan moth]

Tienen el multiverce core/portal

Y tiene paper mc 1.17

[worn ember]

No.

[void void]

GitHub: https://github.com/PaperMC
Forums: https://forums.papermc.io
Wiki: https://paper.readthedocs.io/
Downloads: https://papermc.io/downloads
Maven: https://papermc.io/repo/repository/maven-public/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/PaperPowered
IRC: #paper on irc.esper.net
JavaDocs: https://papermc.io/javadocs/

Antone know a afk pplugin that makes time go by faster

[magic river]

?

Like if everyone is afk the day/night cycle goes faster?

[void void]

No like mobs spawn faster

Tickrate changer

[teal crane]

I don't think that is remotely possible, also #paper-help

[void void]

Oh ok

[topaz mortar]

2007-03-27 translated?

[rare python]

It was probably just something random.

[golden gust]

no

2022-03-07

200/203/77

would be 2007

[topaz mortar]

That's why it isn't a good format.
😅

[tropic flame]

but there are forks that go up to 40 TPS!!!!

[left swift]

why care about dates we're all gonna die anyways

[tropic flame]

that's why you'll die single, you don't care about dates

[left swift]

I die single cuz pokimane doesnt read my donos anymore

[void void]

mine goes up to whatever you want!

[left swift]

the bank took my house cuz I gave all my money to pokimane

[void void]

it's also vulnerable to log4shell, but that's a feature!

[tropic flame]

of course it's a feature, you can run DOOM in Minecraft with log4shell!

[left swift]

when can we get a paper config option to enable the log exploit

[tropic flame]

yeah, for the technical players

[left swift]

it was in minecraft so it's intended design not bug

[tropic flame]

Minecraft Speedrun log4shell%

[rare python]

log4shell is a feature

[left swift]

this why technical players hate paper cuz they always "patch" all my features

[rare python]

Just not all people use that feature for good.

We should keep log4shell on the client purely so servers can push mods to the client for customisation!

[left swift]

@void void please fix this thank yoy

[void void]

Will pr in a sec 👍

can just use my fork in the meantime

[rare python]

Patching log4shell was indeed a regression in features, Paper should fix this.

[pastel reef]

Does the AMD FX-8300 have an acceptable performance to power ratio?

[left swift]

sure

[golden gust]

reduce your heating bills at least

[cedar spade]

See, this format is perfectly usable

[rare python]

The american format is more usable then that.

[spark jolt]

Hiding ores.
I want to modify the chunk packets that get sent to a player so that ores which dont have at least one side connected to air
are simply replaced by stone. The problem now is: How do i efficiently reveal those ores again? Listening for the BlockBreakEvent
and checking all 4 surrounding blocks sounds a bit heavy.

[rare python]

#paper-dev

[spark jolt]

Woops

[left swift]

whoops

[void void]

[left swift]

usable this

fucker

[pastel reef]

Are you saying the computer will be like a campfire in winter or were you referring to someone else?

[golden gust]

actually had a mate in 'bama, she used to have to keep her window open in the middle of winter to offset the heat of the computer

[left swift]

bama winter is like 70 freedom

that's swimming and shorts weather

[void void]

.wa 70 fahrenheit to celcius

[limber knot]

(DiscordBot) error: missing api key

[left swift]

rekt

like maybe 20

communist

[pastel reef]

what is this?

[left swift]

probably lower

21 ah I was pretty close

[void void]

Mini's irc bot failing to do a wolfram alpha lookup because it doesn't have a key set

[left swift]

noah what country are u living currently

[void void]

Netherlands

[left swift]

I see

[pastel reef]

So I want to swap out an AMD FX-4100 for an AMD FX-8300, both their TDP and Tjmax are identical, will I still run into problems? If so, what are they?

[left swift]

user error

anyways in more important news

https://twitter.com/SnoopDogg/status/1500879154509598720?t=M2CttCkbVrpYySVDoUVECg&s=19

FaZe Snoop (@SnoopDogg)

Joined @FaZeClan. 🔥💫👊🏿 https://t.co/jQWWpsHO5L

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faze snoop

[cunning raft]

the fuck

[warm anchor]

Ew

Let’s not promote scam

[left swift]

ur a scam eternity

welp about that time, im clocking out see u guys tomorrow

[warm anchor]

Wtf it’s only 1 pm

[charred sleet]

hmm, why is it so slow to redirect? i have a redirect rule set on my namecheap domain but it can take like sometimes up to 20 seconds http://github.ollieee.xyz/

[left swift]

im only paid for 6 hours a day

[warm anchor]

Wtf you get paid??

[left swift]

jroy doesnt know yet

[warm anchor]

JRoy is a professional

[ashen cliff]

Because of how redirects work.

[ripe sphinx]

DNS alone can't do redirects like that, so under the hood namecheap's got a server somewhere doing the redirects

[still sorrel]

To the programmer who invented null:
Thanks for nothing

[lilac moon]

point it to your own server with a simple redirect on nginx or caddy or something

[cunning raft]

he's a russian twitch view bot

5 cents on the hour

[ripe sphinx]

even better, can't you do that with CF workers or smth

[warm anchor]

[lilac moon]

I think so

[ripe sphinx]

yeah do that then, because then no geoloc latency

[lilac moon]

yeah

I'm not used to cloudflare stuff myself

[full rune]

you can also use cloudflare's page rules to setup a redirect, works fine in my experience

[rancid void]

ah yes, my favorite app(s), h̶̯̚e̵̓̋l̵͕̈́ĺ̵̀a̶͂͝ ̴̊̑g̵̽̈́l̷̨͘ì̸͖t̸̊̚c̸̲̒ḫ̴͊è̸̾d̴͌̇ ̶̗̓i̸͊̍c̴̆̇ȍ̶̖n̶̠̋s̸̈̿

[dapper pumice]

wtf

[magic river]

He's called it the billion dollar mistake

https://www.infoq.com/presentations/Null-References-The-Billion-Dollar-Mistake-Tony-Hoare/

[rare python]

Null is not the issue, its peoples reckless use of it that is.

[ripe sphinx]

kotlin ❤️

[rare python]

Exactly.

In most languages its not exactly clear if a value may be null, so people just assume that it might be... or worse and more commonly, assume that it isn't.

That's where the issues creep in.

[charred sleet]

ah ok that makes sense

[wide chasm]

To add to that: please write documentation stating what I can and cannot assume about return values

[vernal moth]

A lil npe ain't hurt nobody

[rare python]

NPE in plugin startup

That reminds me, I need to make one of my plugins shut down the server if it fails to load.

[foggy veldt]

Make your plugin format hard drive and install all dependencies if it fails to load so you can ensure same environment on all installs

[rare python]

Ummm.

No.

Formatting the hard drive would make it malware.

[red timber]

make the plugin install docker and relaunch the server inside it

[ancient bolt]

"javascript's insane type system isn't the issue, it's peoples' reckless use of it that is"

[void void]

We could've just made the root detection auto-fix the problem smh my head

[red timber]

why docker? windows containers.

[ancient bolt]

rinse and repeat for ever bad language feature ever invented

[rare python]

Docker Compose is the bane of my existance.

Tried to set up a standard testing environment because Ion requires redis and mongodb.

But docker's networking hates me.

[red timber]

git gud

[rare python]

where is the site that shows what percent of servers use Paper again?

[wide chasm]

bStats? Or Kenny's secret graph?

[warm anchor]

@rare python https://kennytv.eu/secretgraph/

[rare python]

Had not seen that one

[little frost]

it's seeeeeeecret

[warm anchor]

@little frost

[obtuse jasper]

null still exists

[ripe sphinx]

yeah, but it's part of the type system so it can't surprise you like in java

also there's things like ?: that allow you to handle it more gracefully

[worn ember]

!

now its broken

[ripe sphinx]

I mean yeah there's also anarchy mode

[obtuse jasper]

nullableObject == null ? doThis : doThat

[warm anchor]

You are broken

[worn ember]

cant nerf me

[warm anchor]

How’s Dota I didn’t really play any of the new patch yet

[worn ember]

same patch, more broken shit

[warm anchor]

Lmao

[magic river]

sigh

The more senior of our two app guys calls me to complain I was talking about a problem with his junior for 20 minutes before anyone tried to bring him into the conversation, said I might talk her in to doing the wrong thing because she doesn't know any better

[obtuse jasper]

spreading some love to yall

[golden gust]

null was a mistake

I mean, yes, but, also, nuanced

at the end of the day theres always gonna need to be something which acts as a "no result"

like, many languages solve that issue with condo... I mean, wrappers, e.g. Optional, result type objects, etc

But, I mean, each and every one just shifts stuff over as devs are just as bad as the language!!

[tropic flame]

haha yes Optional

wrap your object around other object, using more memory

brrrrr

[golden gust]

I'm not a fan of optional as it's a coverup for the language which just induces its own bad practices

Like, orElse(null)

flips table

[novel horizon]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[ancient bolt]

the difference is does the default value cause a runtime error or not

[novel horizon]

┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)

[agile loom]

idk where to type this but i have a small server for my friends on 1.16.5 how do i get paper for that version

[rare python]

Solution: Kotlin

[ancient bolt]

rust has no null outside of unsafe

[golden gust]

idk!! what!! you're!! talking!! about!!

[ancient bolt]

but the compiler forces you to handle it at compile time

[magic river]

If Optional was a value type (valhalla) it would be fine

Right, the goal of it is to make it explicit when something can have no result and make the user do something with it

nullable annotations are the same thing just bolted on the side

[rare python]

One thing I hate about Velocity's API is the use of Optionals, I get so fed up of having to put .orElse(null) everywhere to convert it into a Kotlin Nullable.

[magic river]

Kotlin makes those annotations a part of its type system, like C# does

Optional or part of the type system is how it should be, annotations or doing nothing sucks

Handling the null problem is table stakes for a programming language these days

[rare python]

Kotlin's solution is probably the best way of doing it, at least out of the solutions I know of.

[magic river]

Kotlin's solution is a bit of a hack since it doesn't control the bytecode of the JVM or JS engines

But if you stay within Kotlin it's fine

Kotlin's is still just nullable annotations it just pretends it's not

[ancient bolt]

The best thing about Kotlin's nullability system is the smart casting system

[golden gust]

Yea, Kotlins smart casting is ❤️

[magic river]

Doesn't Java do that now too?

[ancient bolt]

the fact that if (thing != null) implicitly casts thing to be non-null

no

[quick pasture]

java should copy Swift's monadic optionals, String? having flatMap etc

[ancient bolt]

best you can do is if (thing instanceof String s) and use s without casting

[magic river]

TypeScript has been doing that for years and getting better at when it can do it all the time

bleh

[rare python]

Out of all the languages I have used, Kotlin comes the closest to perfection.

[golden gust]

Yea, koltin actually has the smarts to see when X can only be a type of Y, and will let you access it just like that

IJ will virtually do that for java by just throwing casts everywhere

the pattern instanceof is a nice blessing but still not on kotlins level

[magic river]

TypeScript will smart cast after instance checks and discriminator checks too

[neon bramble]

I mean, pattern matching in switches should be a thing

that honestly should solve most of the issues imo

[tropic flame]

better than seeing every single method with a dozen annotations

me seeing javadocs and each parameter has @NonNull: 🤨

[magic river]

That's just how javadoc renders it, I think

[tropic flame]

it didn't used to be that way though

but i guess

[magic river]

Like, if you use a @NotNullByDefault annotation on the package or module it just sprinkles those everywhere in the javadoc

Even though in the code it's the other way around, you only use @Nullable in the few places that can be null

[tropic flame]

oh

first time I saw it in the spigot javadocs I literally thought md_5 was beyond saving at that point

I see then

I should've checked the source code I guess

[little frost]

me seeing every parameter has 2 nullability annotations because of a javadoc bug

[tropic flame]

[magic river]

The ability to do @NotNullByDefault was new to Java 8 I think

So Bukkit could never do it since I think the first MC version to use Java 8 was 1.8

[tropic flame]

me defending builders vs annotations because I used to see javadocs full of them only to find out it's a javadoc bug today

I still defend builders though

[tropic flame]

yea

actually no, it was 1.11 (or 1.12)

1.8 could be run with Java 7

[little frost]

intellij has a button to just sprinkle those annotations everywhere btw

[magic river]

Java still hasn't defined any official nullability annotations

They failed on one attempt (JSR 305) and didn't even try on JSR 308

[little frost]

javax.* stuff isn't official?

[magic river]

Those are the failed/abandoned JSR 305

The library for them is from the findbugs project, not an official thing

[ancient bolt]

I really shouldn't use the package default annotation

Unfortunately I kinda like sprinkling notnull annotations everywhere

[little frost]

sad :(

[magic river]

afaik the recommendation these days is to either use the jetbrains ones or the checker framework ones

[golden gust]

yea, 305's are now under a namespace which breaks when you use the JMS stuff iirc

so, everybody jumped over to jetbrains/checker

annoyingly, both of them are missing out on stuff the other has, though, to be fair, things like Contract are only parsed by IJ afaik?

[ancient bolt]

jetbrains annotations have added a lot of stuff, but there's still stuff that only checker handles

and same for jetbrains

it's absolutely possible to just use both, though. I use jetbrains for nullability and contracts and checker for most other things

[magic river]

Checker has thread and lock safety stuff

Jetbrains has API stability/versioning stuff like you'd normally have in your javadoc

Oh, and some basic input validation stuff, neat

[neon bramble]

I mean, it is kinda shame that Java completely failed to implement something like this

[magic river]

Wow, people are already doing Elden Ring no death runs

And it's like 2 and a half hours

[ashen cliff]

Yeah, there are more, just unlisted due to Speedrun rules about new games.

[brazen token]

a. How does this thing work?
b. Which end is the input, which end is the output?
(Tangentially related to a MC project)

[golden gust]

https://twitter.com/ClaireBerlinski/status/1500886251154685954/photo/1

Claire Berlinski. (@ClaireBerlinski)

I love it that The NY Times decided to get a quote from a psychologist in Kyiv and got this one: https://t.co/O5u8CMwr07 https://t.co/j39557JVIN

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[ashen cliff]

Why are you researching cotton production?

[radiant oriole]

maybe google a video

[rare python]

Maybe there making a plugin that changes how you make some items?

[ashen cliff]

GregTech is down the block.

[split barn]

forgive my ignorance but does having lots of complex blocks in a chunks (fences, grass, flowers, stairs) cause more client side lag? Or is this not noticeable compared to entities and block updates

[brazen token]

making a filter library and calling it _______ Linter.
For the library's logo, want to have it taking in certain strings, and spitting out other strings.

[rare python]

#paper-help

[split barn]

its not really paper related, im talking about client side lag. Just asking here because this is a knowledge mc discord

[golden gust]

not really help with paper

and, i mean, generally, no

like, stairs and fences are generally fine

most FPS droppers are opaque blocks

[split barn]

what about grass and complex structures?

ah gotcha

[golden gust]

i.e. panes, trees, etc

[split barn]

how would panes be opaque?

[rare python]

opps lol, I just saw "blocks" "chunks" and "lag" and was like "wrong channel".

[golden gust]

well, semi

ah, words

I mean transparent

[split barn]

ahh gotcha that makes sense due to the extra draw call

that means any complex no cube geometry would cause lag, mojang surely has an intelligent solution to that no?

[golden gust]

GPUs suck

much of the rendering logic is 10 years old

[rare python]

"Mojang" and "Intelligent Solution" are not compatible.

[golden gust]

You can say "that shouldn't cause any issues"

and, I can tell you there there is a long list of servers who've lost players because their spawn was laggy af to some people cos they had trees and glass panes all over the place

[rare python]

There just trying to eliminate players with bad computers.

[worn ember]

If they can't even run Minecraft decently how they gonna donate

[still sorrel]

updated to windows 11

[worn ember]

Weeding out the poor

[still sorrel]

why is everything rounded and are all the window backgrounds blurred

[golden gust]

to be fair, I've seen some high end GPUs be killed by that

it's beautiful

[rare python]

I am sorry for your loss.

[worn ember]

The blur thing is in w10 too

[golden gust]

11 made more blur afaik

[still sorrel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/815580287421251594/950510778610483290/unknown.png?width=743&height=897

it be putting so much bloat on my pc

[rare python]

Microsoft's Designers when designing Windows 11:

let's make it look like a mac

[worn ember]

That does look like a lot of blurring

[golden gust]

SON OF A...

[still sorrel]

I pixelated some private stuff

it has tiktok

installed on it

mfw

[golden gust]

I wonder why this VM ain't working

[worn ember]

Run a debloat script

[still sorrel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/815580287421251594/950517270403235840/unknown.png?width=1595&height=897

sound settings though

finally not that tiny old looking window

[worn ember]

I'm sure you can find it somewhere

[rare python]

Lol did one of your VMs update itself to W11 or something?

[golden gust]

it auto updated to 11 time ago

but,f or some reason every once in a blue moon the thing just shits itself

[still sorrel]

hm

seems about right

(downloaded a picture of your mom)

[worn ember]

I haven't even gotten a single request from MS to update to 11

[still sorrel]

its somewhere under the settings on the software updater page

[rare python]

Neither have I, and I won't.

[ashen cliff]

Same here: https://posili.me/i/hAc5ZxG4-2022-03-07_23-34-04.png

[still sorrel]

but like windows 11 literally shows the user's email and full name on almost every settings page

[worn ember]

Can't even run word lol

[still sorrel]

heck even pressing the windows key reveals it

like they want their users to get doxxed

[rare python]

I don't need word

Just write everything in markdown ez.

[worn ember]

That's only cuz you can't run it

[golden gust]

my VM

without a TPM chip

just rando did the upgrade to 11 at some point

thing got unstable af at some point and so I ended up reinstalling the OS

and it still does stupid shit

[worn ember]

My dad got his laptop bricked from windows updates

[rare python]

But like really I am too used to markdown, I was doing college work in Google docs and I kept using markdown formatting.

[worn ember]

Half the shit you do in word just fucks up in Google docs and it's really annoying to view stuff online

[rare python]

Maybe I should just hand my college work in with markdown.

[golden gust]

fortunate son starts playing

[worn ember]

[split barn]

gpu to cpu bandwidth sucks, gpus are actually pretty good

[still sorrel]

high end headphones were a mistake

most songs sound like shit

[golden gust]

No

[still sorrel]

I mean the good ones sound extremely good

[golden gust]

The time your parents said "we can get away with a condom once, right?"

[still sorrel]

but so many songs are just bad

[golden gust]

Now that. that was a mistake.

[still sorrel]

it was

[ashen cliff]

Can confirm.

[still sorrel]

not being born solves every problem you have

[golden gust]

My fave one is when you play a song like crazy for a good solid month or so

get bored of it and move on

[ashen cliff]

https://youtu.be/SjugsyOKNvg?t=134

[golden gust]

come back to the song some time later with a good pair of headphones and you're just like, "wait, a new instrument?!"

[still sorrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/916852532326830130/943894176196624414/oDpLvHpVQ3SJb7mP50KF_schiitmagnimodi3.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/916852532326830130/943894210501820496/tps_1335_522737_June23201-522737-1920x1080.png

my audio gear

[golden gust]

stalker

[still sorrel]

schiit modi magni combo and he400se headphones

[golden gust]

the only place in which throwing your nuts around is acceptable

[ashen cliff]

We had a friend using some cheap Razer headphones.
Got him to use good headphones, returned them because they made a weird loud sound...

[still sorrel]

I used to own razer headphones

terrible sound

[ashen cliff]

His hearing was nuked everywhere, but on high tones... and this was the "first" time hearing them.

So they were loud.

[still sorrel]

https://tidal.com/browse/track/189288365

oh smh no embeds

[twin lagoon]

still don't hear a difference between tidal & spotify

[still sorrel]

this song sounds quite good

[twin lagoon]

[still sorrel]

I do hear a difference

[twin lagoon]

even tried qobuz earlier today

[still sorrel]

your headphones/amp either suck or your sound settings are fucked

[twin lagoon]

i have beyerdynamic's dt 1990 pro

jds labs el amp ii & el dac ii

[still sorrel]

oh no

hearingdamage

beyerdynamics literally give you hearing damage

[ashen cliff]

Personally: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPUdhm2VE-o

[pallid edge]

oo same, I love tne 1990 pro! Just need a better DAC. Currently only have the fiio e10k

[twin lagoon]

ngl had them running on fiio k3 for the first 3 months

was fine

[pallid edge]

Did you notice any difference when you switched to the jds labs amp?

[twin lagoon]

no

[pallid edge]

welll

[twin lagoon]

to be fair

[still sorrel]

this guy running a 1990 pro on a e10k

[pallid edge]

I guess I'll save my money then lul

[twin lagoon]

did not compare the two / blind test either

[still sorrel]

1990 pro is just pure treble r*pe

[twin lagoon]

look the v-shape is god tier you're simply uncultured

[still sorrel]

look how its peaking above the target

like literally will give you hearing damage

[twin lagoon]

i was thinking of getting hifiman headphones but beyerdynamics produces nicer looking headphones

choice was easily made

[still sorrel]

beyer copium

[pallid edge]

Well.. when I first got it, I was quite annoyed by it as well. I tried to lower the treble via some software, but it just made it sound like shit.

After having used it for 3 years or so, I'm now accustomed to it though

[still sorrel]

you mean you got hearing damage

[ashen cliff]

Well. I assume you aren't listening to stuff at 95dB normally either?

[still sorrel]

like actually

[twin lagoon]

there's a passive filter for it

[pallid edge]

Might have absolutely fucked my hearing yep

[still sorrel]

I own the DT770 and 880 pro

literally ear piercing treble

770 sounds so harsh

[ashen cliff]

DT770 250 OHM gang. 🛌

[twin lagoon]

krusic gets it

i returned the dt 770 immediately though

closed ain't it

[still sorrel]

he400se sounds like 30% better then dt 770 pro

[ashen cliff]

And mostly run them on my phone mostly.

[twin lagoon]

went to the dt 990 pro afterwards, loved it

[still sorrel]

I tried 990 pro

[twin lagoon]

then yolo spent my money on the dt 1990 pro and have been happy since

[still sorrel]

after 5 minute my ears were so fatigued I couldnt listen any further

[pallid edge]

oh god. I have directly compared both. The dt 770 literally felt like I had a vacuum on my ears.

[ashen cliff]

Yeah, you will suffer a lot, if you don't replace the pads.

[twin lagoon]

i've tried like two aftermarket pad replacements but ended up sticking with the stock pads

on both the 990 & 1990

[still sorrel]

I replaced my dt 770 pads 😎

with black ones

[ashen cliff]

I went for some 3cm leather pads.

[twin lagoon]

[still sorrel]

I tried putting leather pads on the DT770 pro

it absolutely killed any sound stage it had going for it

[pallid edge]

you have to agree you'd look like a chad with the 1990 pro. Best headphone design ever

[still sorrel]

so many details just went poof too

[twin lagoon]

i kinda dig the sundara design

[still sorrel]

ordered these leather pads straight from beyerdynamics

[twin lagoon]

but dt 1990 still best

[still sorrel]

get he400se over the sundara

like

these things feel solid af

more solid then beyer stuff

they cost like 150

planar magnetic drivers

beyer stuff has dynamic drivers

[magic river]

Maxim 3: An ordnance technician at a dead run outranks everybody.

[golden gust]

LOL

tru doe

[true canyon]

You know the GN video's going to be good when this is the first segment title

[warm anchor]

Love me some micro center

[ashen cliff]

https://github.com/GONZOsint/geowifi

[ashen peak]

Does anybody know how to uh include [] as characters in text in yml? XD

like as string '[]'

[ashen cliff]

\[

[little frost]

um, '[]'

[lament patio]

Or \u005B\u005D

[cyan moth]

Paper#

Paper 1.17

Para descargar

[crystal lily]

https://papermc.io/downloads

[cyan moth]

Gracias

[main raft]

@twin lagoon weeb

[cyan moth]

Que paper version de paper me recomienda para plugins

Cómo plugins para crear server con survival creativo skyword oneblock

[minor fjord]

I think intelliJ is having a stroke

guess I'll have to go back to using ByteArrays

[foggy silo]

@cyan moth Sorry this is an english only server. (Inglés)

[foggy silo]

String was removed in JDK 17, sorry you didn’t get the news!

[cosmic raft]

72, 111, 119, 32, 97, 114, 101, 32, 121, 111, 117, 32, 100, 111, 105, 110, 103, 32, 116, 111, 100, 97, 121, 44, 32@foggy silo63

[foggy silo]

I’m scared

[lilac moon]

that is not good

[cosmic raft]

https://i.imgur.com/Q6ekRpy.png

[lament patio]

No Strings, only Kyori components now

[foggy silo]

@cosmic raft I just converted it and had my response ready 😭

71 111 111 100 44 32 121 111 117 63 10

[cosmic raft]

73, 39, 109, 32, 100, 111, 105, 110, 103, 32, 103, 111, 111, 100, 44, 32, 116, 104, 97, 110, 107, 115, 32, 102, 111, 114, 32, 97, 115, 107, 105, 110, 103, 33, 32, 74, 117, 115, 116, 32, 119, 97, 105, 116, 105, 110, 103, 32, 102, 111, 114, 32, 109, 121, 32, 100, 105, 110, 110, 101, 114, 32, 116, 111, 32, 98, 101, 32, 114, 101, 97, 100, 121, 44, 32, 73, 39, 109, 32, 113, 117, 105, 116, 101, 32, 104, 117, 110, 103, 114, 121, 32, 110, 111, 119, 46

[foggy silo]

87 101 108 108 32 104 111 112 101 102 117 108 108 121 32 121 111 117 32 101 110 106 111 121 32 121 111 117 114 32 100 105 110 110 101 114 46 32 58 41

[cosmic raft]

https://tenor.com/view/allerhande-albert-heijn-albertheijn-spaghetti-gif-15720760

[foggy silo]

🍴😋

[cosmic raft]

everyone else is just like

https://tenor.com/view/calculation-math-hangover-allen-zach-galifianakis-gif-6219070

[little frost]

i mean it's paper #general

[warm anchor]

Could be worse

[magic river]

documentation is a myth you learn about in uni that doesn't exists in the industry

[noble seal]

Do you know why I get this warning in console? I think I am checking all the time if the sender is a user or not and I get this warning.

https://i.gyazo.com/7f8cba8f7300c3cfd329e296a54f9515.png

Code: https://i.gyazo.com/e261471b2bb090f394bff17c8a141f37.png

[magic river]

CommandSender can be one of about 50 things, it's not just a player

Also #paper-dev

At some point CommandSender turned in to Entity or Console, basically

Used to be Player or Console

[noble seal]

Yes, normally I used 1.8.8 to program some basic pl but I've gone back to programming and I've found some changes that didn't happen before xd, thanks.

[magic river]

Pretty sure it could never be null, in any case

null doesn't mean console, it means things exploded 😛

[noble seal]

.... right

[brave mountain]

why would a chat plugin need InventoryClickEvent?

[spare venture]

you tell me

[void void]

@little frost no

I'm just moody

[misty hamlet]

can someone pass me the version of paper 1.17??

[spare venture]

it’s on the website

[misty hamlet]

in what place is it? because it only appears to download 1.18.2

[crystal lily]

downloads page, scroll down, click legacy.

[misty hamlet]

I found where it is, thanks 🙂

[cyan moth]

pa que sirve velocite

[foggy silo]

@cyan moth English only server... (Inglés)

[brave mountain]

Spanish? I can help you DM.

[foggy silo]

Thanks 🙏

[magic river]

lol, video about "cinemassacre backlash" and the conclusion is basically "touch grass"

[turbid oar]

I use to know some spanish when I was in highschool

[magic river]

2 hour video about all the changes over the life of the channel, complaints people have had, various controversies, etc and the conclusion is that if you hate the channel that much just stop watching, it's not good for you

[turbid oar]

what is the video?

can I see it?

[magic river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmC5Zte5RnM

[turbid oar]

oh

love the part of the person complaining a game character not being able to swim

made me laugh

[brave mountain]

I use to get like 2% on an English test when I was in school.

[turbid oar]

ouch'

[brave mountain]

Yeha, their way of teaching English is awful, and I'm not compatible with that way of learning.

[light roost]

Tell me how you can enable it in the core so that players can break bedrock and be able to dump sand through the portal

[potent wedge]

What do you mean by "dump sand through portal"

[light roost]

yes dupe through the portal

[potent wedge]

All you need is a legacy version

From before it was patched

And for bedrock there's some plugins for that

[turbid oar]

idk how someone would teach english to another person that speaks a different lang...

[brave mountain]

Or how someone that doesn't speak English teach English to a person that doesn't speak English.

[turbid oar]

lmfao

thats a bit odd

[magic river]

How did your parents teach it to you when you were 2?

You really do go back to basics with picture books, the alphabet, and the person sounding things out for you

[brave mountain]

Yes the proper way to learn other language is like a child, hearing others speak, understanding their communication not translating.

[turbid oar]

huh? no my first lang is english. I used to know some spanish since highschool

[magic river]

😦 https://web.archive.org/web/20220225062754/http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/read.cgi?id=20220224&tid=4056273

[cosmic raft]

just a normal day in the papermc moderation office

@wraith trail @fallen oracle

[void void]

haha

best ban appeal

[fallen oracle]

X100

[worn crest]

"more on the spreadsheet"

[cosmic raft]

There was like 120 of those.

IDs 129 -> 374

[turbid oar]

that is something...

Also I have a cat to show

its mine

[void void]

Quite a compelling argument tbh

[spiral robin]

Yeah honestly, hope they were unbanned 🙂

[ashen cliff]

Same.

[vernal moth]

https://itch.io/b/1316/bundle-for-ukraine

This is such a cool thing

It also costs a nice 9.69 euro

So what are you waiting for?!

Just super hot alone on there makes it worth

Or baba is you

Or Celeste

And you are doing a good thing

[ashen cliff]

Well. Wanted to buy Superhot and Celeste this summer... so...
Might as well do it now.

[quick obsidian]

what's the best platform to host wikis/docs? i've had it with gitbook

want something simple, aesthetically pleasing, that i can have on a subdomain, and ideally that people can contribute to

the adventure docs look nice but i'm not super keen on rst, is there a markdown version?

[topaz mortar]

https://www.mkdocs.org/getting-started/

[quick obsidian]

didn't adventure switch away from that?

i think i'll try sphinx and hopefully figure out how to make it ci with a github repo

[vernal moth]

papers new docs uses docasaurus

https://github.com/facebook/docusaurus

[quick obsidian]

ooh that seems nice

thanks

[vernal moth]

its more like a static site generator then a docs site

but like wheres the difference

[full rune]

I'd give mkdocs a shot, mkdocs material theme looks very good

[vernal moth]

https://github.com/PaperMC/docs for what sulu did

[quick obsidian]

yeah that's the same idea

and how are you deploying it?

oh github pages

[vernal moth]

no clue how the production deployment is setup

[cosmic raft]

yes

avoid cloudflare pages :p

[void void]

Why?

[cosmic raft]

not as much an issue atm, but:

Route matching

If an HTML file is found with a matching path to the current route requested, Pages will serve it. Pages will also redirect HTML pages to their extension-less counterparts: for instance, /contact.html will be redirected to /contact, and /about/index.html will be redirected to /about/.

github pages: https://jd.adventure.kyori.net/text-serializer-gson/4.9.2/net/kyori/adventure/text/serializer/gson/GsonComponentSerializer.Builder.html
cf: https://adventure-javadocs.pages.dev/text-serializer-gson/4.9.2/net/kyori/adventure/text/serializer/gson/GsonComponentSerializer.Builder.html

cf one breaks because it strips the .html
and there is no option to disable it

@void void ^

[void void]

Ah

Yeah that makes sense

[rare python]

I mean is that an issue?

[cosmic raft]

it is, yes

see my links

Cloudflare doing that flat-out breaks it

[rare python]

Oh fun

[cosmic raft]

for reference:
https://adventure-javadocs.pages.dev/text-serializer-gson/4.9.2/net/kyori/adventure/text/serializer/gson/GsonComponentSerializer.html

my guess is, with the GsonComponentSerializer.Builder.html one, it thinks it's looking for a file called GsonComponentSerializer.Builder :p

it's really stupid

that, coupled with the unusually long build times, makes cloudflare pages not great at this point

I'm hoping they will make the route matching a configurable option in the future

[void void]

They have a new build system in beta, its like four times faster

[proud lance]

imagine putting periods in urls

[ashen cliff]

What about emotes?

[quick obsidian]

yeah thanks for this mini, easily the best docs system i've used yet, it's exactly what i was looking for!

[vernal moth]

its right in the middle of the fancy new static site generators and a traditional boring md/rts based docs site

its ready/mdx which is meh but for vue there are other alternatives

like vuepress iirc?

https://vitepress.vuejs.org/ for vuepress on vite

oh there is also vuepress next which is beta and vite

https://v2.vuepress.vuejs.org/

[quick obsidian]

im more react rather than vue so that's fine for me