general

[golden gust]

like, the configuration files where all json files shoved in some random folder in the server root because god forbid they kept that with the plugin

I think FUUID forked the version before that lib was added though?

[true canyon]

Yeah

[neon bramble]

I am missing some important information

[true canyon]

There were early hints of core things but not the strangeness that came after.

[golden gust]

I recall that there was a bit of a rift as there was like 2 lines of forks, those which forked off the 'modern' version and those which forked off before they added that horror into it

[rare python]

i forgot that this was a thing

[neon bramble]

I've never heard about massivecraft nor massivecore

[rare python]

:/

[neon bramble]

yeah why doesn't that use the server version?

It's been there like since the start

[golden gust]

that's waterfall?

or bungee, i think

[rare python]

That is going to be painful to fix

[true canyon]

Yeah, people stuck around on 1.6.x and then when the UUID switch happened they needed help. Thus, FactionsUUID!

[golden gust]

oh god

[true canyon]

And then like 5 or 6 years later I show up and everything's on fire.

[golden gust]

towny only just switched over to UUIDs in the past few years

[neon bramble]

😳

[golden gust]

before that they had some shitty little "on the side" plugin which would just rename stuff and try to transfer eco data over

which ofc caused issues cos eco plugins where aware of that mess for years and so the thing would just yeet players currency on every bloody name switch

[true canyon]

MassiveCraft are the original creators of the "Factions" plugin for bukkit. MassiveCore is their "all our plugins must also have this plugin installed" library plugin that does ... stuff.

[golden gust]

and ofc that was in the days before I was even familiar with java

[true canyon]

Also MassiveCraft recently (last two years?) had a hiring page on their website where they offered to pay I think 3 US dollars per hour for development work, so that was fun to see ^_^

[neon bramble]

[golden gust]

jesus fuck

I mean, they've always been hostile af to devs

[neon bramble]

even store workers get more here

[golden gust]

no fucking surprise there

[true canyon]

The page said how they'd be open to hiring people from countries where 3 US dollars would be worthwhile.

So at least they recognized that.

[neon bramble]

I mean, if there are some coders in venezuela

[golden gust]

I mean, even that's shitty af

[neon bramble]

it is

[void void]

its kyngs

hippo

[neon bramble]

:)

[frank otter]

why do they call it a laptop when it's basically a thigh slow-cooker

wouldn't lap-slow-cooker be more accurate than laptop

[true canyon]

Your laptop might have cooling issues.

[viral hornet]

That's messed up lol

[spare venture]

might? lmao

[golden gust]

why tf is camm here

[viral hornet]

literally who are u

[frank otter]

hey its only 60C at idle, no load

only

[golden gust]

have you tried licking it?

[frank otter]

which bit of it

[golden gust]

I find that licking stuff solves many issues

mari being annoying?

lick it

I mean, her

[frank otter]

Ooo the plugged in USB would burn my fingers if I held it for too long

licked the laptop, still hot, now what?

[golden gust]

er

god knows

worked for me in the past

[spare venture]

wtf

[frank otter]

mm if I handnt broken my WiFi I'd have downloaded a stress tool

and then looked at temps

it says the critical is 98C

we are about 40 off

I wonder if we could make it with some like crypto mining

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/eup8Fprr-2022-03-05_17-48-15.png

Don't worry about it.

[left swift]

the higher the number the more points you get

doge

[ashen cliff]

Forever.

[frank otter]

i just tried to install something with NPM and we reached 79C!

84C now

I think we've peaked at 91

krusic this battery fire you speak of seems scarily imminent

[left swift]

what are u even doing

just dip it in water to cool it off

[frank otter]

I'm doenloading some JS

we have reached 1C below what's said to be "crit"

[left swift]

is there no thermal paste

they left the sticker in

[frank otter]

i dont know

this is a laptop

from like ages ago

[left swift]

got a mouse nest in it

[frank otter]

perhaps

this laptop was announced in 2012

[left swift]

lol

[frank otter]

hey it still runs fine

i think it can 60fps minecraft

cant remember tho

it also smells like burnt toast

[proud lance]

take apart and repaste it

[frank otter]

I'd do that if I wanted to solve it

unfortunately I like having fire hazards in my life

[distant sparrow]

I have bold text on all xenforo forums, is that normal? do you have the same?

у меня на всех xenforo форумах жирный текст, это нормально? у вас так же?

[twin lagoon]

probably your font rendering

or any extensions

[distant sparrow]

hmm ok

hmm okay

off xenfooro forum have too

spigot mc forum have too bolder names

[raven basin]

anyone know a good plugin that allows you to sell/rent apartments to players

I looked it up

[ashen cliff]

WorldGuard + some random plugin probably.

[raven basin]

and cant find anything for it

[warm anchor]

Time to make one

[distant sparrow]

can you take a screenshot of the profile from the forum with the nickname? what does he look like on you?

можешь сделать скриншот профиля с форума с никнеймом? он как выглядит у тебя?

[ashen cliff]

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/advancedregionmarket.58732/

[raven basin]

🙂

thanks

[ashen cliff]

That will be 5€.

[warm anchor]

Who need google when you have @ashen cliff

[twin lagoon]

link the page

can't be bothered to look it up

[distant sparrow]

like a userprofile u

https://forums.papermc.io/members/kennytv.5/

[warm anchor]

Mobile.

[distant sparrow]

hmmm]

I don't use any extensions

я не использую никакие расширения
**

[ashen cliff]

Can you check the console?

Something probably didn't load for you.

[distant sparrow]

i reinstall nvidia drivers and all okay

[warm anchor]

Yeah that looks normal now

[distant sparrow]

thx

[rare python]

so far it seems my minimessage config stuff works

[rare python]

<rainbow>Outdated client! Please use <version>

[ashen cliff]

I hate it.

[rare python]

<rainbow> wont actually be there

I was just checking that minimessage was doing its thing

[ashen cliff]

Now try with 1.8.

[ashen cliff]

Awesome.

No colors for you.

[lament patio]

Just slap Via on it

[ashen cliff]

Don't use Via. Via bad.

[rare python]

1.8 players dont deserve nice things like full colour gradients

[true canyon]

Well that sucks. 😦

[brave mountain]

speaking of old versions in #paper-help , I heard 2b2t Is planning to upgrade to 1.18

[twin lagoon]

ok

[ashen cliff]

Ok and?

I'm still dying just from looking at that "how much is it worth" video...

[spiral robin]

2b2t

gamer

[brave mountain]

2b2t is like a huge experimental/test environment for minecraft

[spiral robin]

ok

[ashen cliff]

Ok.

[foggy silo]

is there a way to disable those darn "before commit" checks that intellij does?

[spiral robin]

like the analysis?

im pre sure you can uncheck a box in the commit side panel

[native wolf]

yes, go to settings > version control and you should find it there somewhere

[foggy silo]

Ah here PERFECT

Thank you

[spiral robin]

oh maybe im thinking of something else 😛

[foggy silo]

Yep thats it

[rare python]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/7549

Welp time to see how quickly I get told I have done something wrong / stupid

[vernal moth]

You have done something wrong / stupid

Was I first?

[rare python]

lol

[magic river]

It's awful

I think I'd prefer just detecting section signs to switch between legacy or not, I don't think there is any useful reason someone would put a random tag in those fields before this

Being explicit is okay though I suppose so long as at some point the default changes and then the option is removed entirely

[void void]

🥲

[vernal moth]

I agree Amaranth

[rare python]

damm it intellij

I was so careful to minimise changing imports aswell

[vernal moth]

You sure the keyboard isn't malicious?

[native wolf]

yeah, IntelliJ by default loves touching imports, you can disable it per project tho

[worn ember]

@warm anchor new necro is very balanced

[rare python]

now i need to figure out how to edit my commit

this whole patch system is a bit weird

[timber sentinel]

this should help: https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md#modifying-patches

[rare python]

I know

Its just not what I am used too.

[vernal moth]

Hopefully we can partly ditch it some day

[timber sentinel]

Was confusing for me too but got used to it after a while

[golden gust]

is ez

just skurry

[mental meadow]

just like cat

[timber sentinel]

Currently updating my fork and nothing is applying

[golden gust]

hey

I have a weakness for latex gloves

what can I ay

I mean, what

[timber sentinel]

At least I don't have a triple headed diff yet

[spare venture]

who uses latex gloves still

[golden gust]

nothing is applying

bahahahahaa

[vernal moth]

My coworkers always laugh when I say that my hobby is solving merge conflicts

[golden gust]

apatch go brrrrr

[spare venture]

@magic river I still don’t get how you progressed in horizon so fast, I’m 34% completion now

I am going for 100% so maybe that’s why

[vernal moth]

Apatch is love, apatch is life

[golden gust]

apatch > beard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0kSuZFOwFE

[cobalt cave]

hello electroniccat

[native wolf]

apatch is some dark magic lol

it's really helpful but it can harm you in some cases

[timber sentinel]

Apatch just saved me a ton of time

[frank otter]

what does everyone use for file synchronisation I'm finally at a point I need files in many places and git just doesn't seem to work here

Like Dropbox but it actually works on both Linux (and Android)

[lilac moon]

use syncthing

https://syncthing.net/

windows, mac, linux, android, plus very efficient and secure

it also prioritizes direct connections between your devices if possible, and if not uses public relays

[frank otter]

is that directly p2p

[lilac moon]

yeah if it can open a port

[frank otter]

so like both devices have to be online at the same time

[lilac moon]

yes but you can have multi[ple devices syncing the same folder

[warm anchor]

Nice Sven support

[lilac moon]

any of those devices can be online and downloaded from

itll use multiple devices too if one isnt fast enough

[frank otter]

ill keep it in mind if i ever end up putting my server back up

sadly i have no way to guarantee one device will always have another to sync from or to

[lilac moon]

yeah i guess that's the only disadvantage of syncthing, since there['s no single cloud server with everything

[worn ember]

lmao

[frank otter]

ig its more akin to remote backups

wait dropbox works

wait no dropbox doesnt work

WHY CANT IT FOLLOW SYMLINKS

i do not want to exist soley within ~/Dropbox

i have a whole /home folder I wanna use

[lilac moon]

wdym

[void void]

Dropbox should be able to follow symlinks

at least it used to

[frank otter]

it doesn't want to

it copies the thing as the link

and not as the thing it points to

wait

[lilac moon]

oh that's what i wouldve expected myself'

[frank otter]

can I not make it sync to the native fs on android?

Huh I can but it needs an entirely third party thing

[lilac moon]

dropbox?

[frank otter]

mhm

[magic river]

The only thing allowed to sync arbitrary files on Android is Google

Otherwise you can only sync your app's private storage or the generic storage area

[red timber]

mount --bind

[frank otter]

wait wut

[frank otter]

it seems to work

[red timber]

heh, if you must, use unshare + setpriv to make it more transparent

[frank otter]

the third partly thing trying to sync Dropbox works I think

[twin lagoon]

@red timber

[red timber]

michael wanna see a nice troll?

fuse is silly

[lilac moon]

why does it say XXX:

[vernal moth]

It's similar to a todo

It's a marker

[lilac moon]

whatr does it mean'

[magic river]

It means "I can grep for this really easily"

[red timber]

yes that

[lilac moon]

no i mean what does the marker XXX: mean

[magic river]

I just said

It doesn't mean anything, it's just something you'll almost never use in actual code so it's easy to search for

[lilac moon]

like what would you use it on

oh

[red timber]

i use it mostly as an alternative to // HACK: xyz

[worn ember]

yourmom.xxx

[red timber]

i'll hack ur mom

[worn ember]

😮

[magic river]

lol the Russian troops have been mostly relying on paper maps so cities in Ukraine took down or painted over the city names and street signs so the Russians would get lost

Their radios are mostly unencrypted analog stuff too so people were jamming them with static, annoying sounds, insults, etc

[worn ember]

im still so confused how you can be so inefficient at invading someone

[magic river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4wRdoWpw0w

tldr if they can't get there by rail they're kind of screwed

[left swift]

Russia and failed logistics

name a better duo

[topaz mortar]

#politics

[urban depot]

taalk minecraft

i am back in the minecraft mood

[vernal moth]

throws a dirt block at Glo-strode

[urban depot]

thanks. throws a stick at minidigger

[vernal moth]

U still in the mood?

[urban depot]

uh yeah ima go build something with this now

[placid thicket]

probably a dumb question. 18.1 clients on 18.2 servers or nah?

[magic river]

nah

Not without ViaBackwards

[placid thicket]

eww, via needs to go bia

thx for the answer tho

havent checked into it much yet, good chance of plugin breaks or nah?

[mental meadow]

yes

very good

[placid thicket]

noice

[mental meadow]

at least if they are using nms

[placid thicket]

yeah but doesn't that always break?

[mental meadow]

not always but usually

[placid thicket]

that SHOULDNT hurt anything i use... famous last words...

[mental meadow]

tryandsee 😄

[placid thicket]

i am, my server just takes like 5-10 minutes to restart so was hoping to save a cycle by asking

[mental meadow]

For me anything with NMS and anything using MiniMessage and somehow mixing in legacy components broke

[placid thicket]

yaaaay wall of errors

[true canyon]

My plugin that pokes NMS didn't need updating, so that was great.

[rare python]

I just had to increment the version number and it just worked

[true canyon]

Also, flanigomik, I strongly recommend setting up a test server at home for such things so you're not possibly interrupting or breaking your main server. Something you can just boot up and confirm things work or blow up.

[placid thicket]

but messing about in prod is fun

makes the managers think i actually do something

[rancid void]

ꭿ Amogus

[placid thicket]

my favorite is when they add or remove plugins and dont tell me

is async worldedit still bad?

[magic river]

TIL TeamSpeak is now just a Matrix client with a custom voice addon

[ashen cliff]

Amazing.

Another amazing thing while working with quality Minecraft plugins.
Table: username, looses, wins, rounds_played.
The dev figured out that there is no point in storing looses, since rounds-wins = looses.
And just left the column there.

[magic river]

looses?

[lavish compass]

@warm anchor uwu

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/9zhiKtZq-2022-03-05_23-27-50.png

And they still generate it like that...

[lavish compass]

amazing

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/zddW3kA3-2022-03-05_23-28-45.png

I would PR, but god damn.

[lavish compass]

the first redflag is that

[glass crag]

"username"

[lavish compass]

the package name

doesn't match the naming convention

[ashen cliff]

Do you even dare question?
https://posili.me/i/5XwP9g7M-2022-03-05_23-29-33.png

[lavish compass]

storing username is one thing.. but why varchar(50)???

[ashen cliff]

That used to be the default AFAIK.

Or knowing Shev... probably some 300IQ stuff to support 🇨🇳 PE players.

[lavish compass]

are bedrock usernames stored in UTF?

[magic river]

I think a lot of ORMs default to varchar(50) when you give them a string

I'm pretty sure the one I'm using now does

[lavish compass]

postgres text 👍

[magic river]

Of course in postgres there is no different between varchar(1), varchar(65535), and text

[ashen cliff]

PHPMyAdmin defaults to 255 now I think.

[lavish compass]

isnt phpmyadmin like a big joke

[magic river]

And you can alter a varchar(50) to a varchar(65535) instantly, no moving or reindexing or anything needed

[ashen cliff]

Do you have something else that works with most things and doesn't require a license and a remote connection?

[lavish compass]

postgres superior

doesn't require a license
well nope

I personally use DataGrip

[ashen cliff]

In that case: 🚪

I used to use Toad, but god damn did they nuke it.

[thorny totem]

[vernal moth]

Datagrip is love, datagrip is life

[ashen cliff]

Java. 🛌

[vernal moth]

Mmh?

[topaz mortar]

If you're a Windows user -> HeidiSQL is an alternative

[twin lagoon]

datagrip epic

[worn ember]

couldn't get datagrip to connect to one of my mssql database, but connected instantly in intellij

other than that its pretty noice

[magic river]

Isn't datagrip just the IntelliJ DB stuff but as a dedicated app?

[worn ember]

that was my thought too

maybe something borked idk, seems to happen a lot lately

[lilac moon]

lool

[spark jolt]

Some javascript (nodejs) devs here? Im forced to write a nodejs application and i have no idea
how to transfer data between worker_threads. Specifically from parent -> worker.

[brave mountain]

Stack overflow

[magic river]

https://nodejs.org/api/worker_threads.html#workerpostmessagevalue-transferlist

[twin lagoon]

@warm anchor

[warm anchor]

@twin lagoon

[magic river]

If I didn't know the name of this emote I'd have no idea what it is

[twin lagoon]

it's eternity's fursona

[warm anchor]

It’s 👍 + a cute anime girl

[magic river]

You can't really see the thumb

[warm anchor]

Does look like middle finger but let’s look pass that

[twin lagoon]

weebs

[magic river]

If you squint it's there but it has some crap around it too

[warm anchor]

I will forward this information to my artist

[warm anchor]

I do NOT have a fursona unlike @static badge

[static badge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/876902758366736457/944257078699130980/ezgif-1-05d9b559b3.gif

not a furry

[twin lagoon]

This media.discordapp.net page can’t be foundNo webpage was found for the web address: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/876902758366736457/944257078699130980/ezgif-1-05d9b559b3.gif
HTTP ERROR 404

[static badge]

https://imgur.com/cIz5Cg3

[warm anchor]

[twin lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-emoji-nerd-emoji-avalon-play-avalon-gif-24241051

why not use red star os

depends on how you look at it

[brave mountain]

Those lassy devs, saying they don't update theyr plugin beacuse paper 1.18.2 is not "stable"

Just gonna say a paying plugin

[grand pewter]

there's no reasons for plugins not to update

[brave mountain]

You know thats not a thing 🤣

Mc-market

Is ironic

Windows cost money and Linux is collaborative and better

And free

No lassy devs

Who watch one-piece?

[waxen panther]

what is going on in paper general

@twin lagoon

[brave mountain]

My bad

English is not my first language

Is lazy**

[twin lagoon]

average paper general

[waxen panther]

who's alt are you

sure buddy

E tier troll, better luck next time

[vagrant marlin]

its your alt

broccoli, we know your plans.

[twin lagoon]

what is your opinion on water

[waxen panther]

my alt would be way less cringe

[twin lagoon]

how can water be gay

[vagrant marlin]

rgb water

[twin lagoon]

@cunning raft thoughts

[left swift]

brocc is full cringe

[foggy silo]

Dang trolls in paper general

[cunning raft]

man

[left swift]

a

[twin lagoon]

mana?

[waxen panther]

why this guy pingin me so much

[left swift]

?

[twin lagoon]

?

[foggy silo]

Troll who?

[twin lagoon]

¿

[left swift]

michael trolling today

[foggy silo]

@twin lagoon

[true canyon]

!warn @red thistle Stop trolling, and don't use "gay" in that context again.

[thorny flicker]

:raised_hands: Warned crustytaint#0898 (Stop trolling, and don't use "gay" in that context again.) [1 total infraction] -- mbaxter#1592.

[foggy silo]

❤️

[true canyon]

Y'all need to stop feeding trolls.

[twin lagoon]

can i feed mbax

🥺

[foggy silo]

Michael how has your day been today

[true canyon]

!ban @red thistle transphobia and trolling

[thorny flicker]

:raised_hands: Banned crustytaint#0898 (transphobia and trolling) [2 total infractions] -- mbaxter#1592.

[foggy silo]

Thanks 😻

[true canyon]

Jeez

[left swift]

no one ever asks Mbaxter how hes doing only why hes doing

[true canyon]

@twin lagoon you can feed me ❤️

[true canyon]

Plenty of people ask me how I'm doing, but thanks 🙂

[left swift]

when hes doing

[foggy silo]

Innocent and peaceful paper general

Rid of the wastes 😇

[waxen panther]

Nearly

[true canyon]

Should I send this to my sciencey friends?

[twin lagoon]

🥺

[foggy silo]

Yes

[foggy silo]

[left swift]

peace be with u

and pokimand

cyall monday

[foggy silo]

See ya!!

[river swan]

#paper-help

pls help

[silver nexus]

look who made an alt!

[serene bolt]

!ban @trail kestrel trolling / alt / ban evasion

[thorny flicker]

:raised_hands: Banned Kek6869#6515 (trolling / alt / ban evasion) [1 total infraction] -- Puremin0rez#1337.

[minor fjord]

excellent

        player.addPotionEffect(new PotionEffect(PotionEffectType.ABSORPTION, Integer.MAX_VALUE, 255));
        player.addPotionEffect(new PotionEffect(PotionEffectType.DOLPHINS_GRACE, Integer.MAX_VALUE, 2));
        player.addPotionEffect(new PotionEffect(PotionEffectType.FIRE_RESISTANCE, Integer.MAX_VALUE, 255));
        player.addPotionEffect(new PotionEffect(PotionEffectType.HEAL, Integer.MAX_VALUE, 255));
        player.addPotionEffect(new PotionEffect(PotionEffectType.HEALTH_BOOST, Integer.MAX_VALUE, 255));
        player.addPotionEffect(new PotionEffect(PotionEffectType.INCREASE_DAMAGE, Integer.MAX_VALUE, 255));
        player.addPotionEffect(new PotionEffect(PotionEffectType.SPEED, Integer.MAX_VALUE, 2));
        player.addPotionEffect(new PotionEffect(PotionEffectType.JUMP, Integer.MAX_VALUE, 2));
        player.addPotionEffect(new PotionEffect(PotionEffectType.FAST_DIGGING, Integer.MAX_VALUE, 2));
        player.addPotionEffect(new PotionEffect(PotionEffectType.REGENERATION, Integer.MAX_VALUE ,255));
        player.addPotionEffect(new PotionEffect(PotionEffectType.SATURATION, Integer.MAX_VALUE ,255));

[void void]

where can i ask for help for paper mc server

[true canyon]

#paper-help is a good idea

[void void]

k

[pastel reef]

Is the power consumption of the AMD Phenom II X6 1100T OK?

I'm looking for a good cpu for Socket AM3.

[ashen cliff]

No...

[teal crane]

It's funny to think of all the ways you can fuck with a player lol

The other day I accidentally made it so when you join it does a login loop and essentially soft locks your game

Your mouse is constantly teleported to the middle

[pastel reef]

What do you suggest?

[ashen cliff]

A whole new platform.

[vernal moth]

If you care about power consumption you want arm

runs

[ashen cliff]

Oracle cloud. 🛌

[frank otter]

don't they want like your mothers maiden name and an oath of alliegence of your firstborn

[tiny vapor]

I'm struggling, so 1.18.2 is just out and I can set up everything in a couple weeks if most plugins update although what would be the timeframe on a 1.19 update? cause I hear a lot of mixed feelings, like some say just keep 1.18.2 for a longer time (couple months, then update later) and others say wait till mid summer and then update to 1.19

[worn crest]

Go always for the latest version. 1.19 could be released in June/July. And if you don't update you miss a long time of updates. My plugins are near to all updated and work with that. But if you have old nms plugins it take longer

[tiny vapor]

we're in march... like i'd have to wait

3-4 months

and also "could" be released

[worn crest]

What's your point to not upgrade? 🤔 I have literally no problem with new Bugfixes and performance patches

[tiny vapor]

1.19 isn't released yet?

Not all plugins support 1.18.2 yet, so the thing that i'm not sure about is if I should upgrade to 1.18.2 and release on that version

and then later on upgrade to 1.19

[worn crest]

Then wait a few days and upgrade to 1.18.2 and in 4 months to 1.19

[frank otter]

huh on the back of this old laptop there's a hole labelled as "⌨️ 🔥"

also just checking

re-pasting a cpu requires me to actually have thermal paste, right

[golden gust]

well

yes

[frank otter]

damn

that's that idea out of the window

[tiny vapor]

yea that would be best

[golden gust]

it's for sending emails

[red timber]

forums?

hangar in future?

[magic river]

Huh, I wonder if that's some proprietary docking port or just a funny symbol for the kensington lock hole

[red timber]

mailgun provides an smtp endpoint for forums etc. to use

[twin lagoon]

@warm anchor

[warm anchor]

@twin lagoon

[magic river]

[cloud solar]

hi

[rare python]

asdvgbasbduiasodyadsyhg

just accidentally nuked hours of work

woooo

i don't have time to redo it :/

i guess my pr will have to wait a few days

yay

never mind

I seem to have managed to get it back by rebuilding patches

interesting

[prime pawn]

I've experienced that same pain

And the same thing happened

[round grove]

are computer hosts better/cheaper than hosts that are only hosting minecraft servers?

[golden gust]

depends

Like, if you're comparing a rip off shared host vs a competent VPS provider, stuff is different vs a competent shared host vs a decent VPS

but, theres always trade offs involved

dollar wise you're generally gonna get more bang for your buck from a shared host

[round grove]

what shared host would you recommend?

[magic river]

https://www.redbubble.com/i/t-shirt/The-C-Programming-Language-makes-me-cry-by-kokoscript/103830258.WFLAH

[worn ember]

world gen go brrr

[mental meadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tas0O586t80

[magic river]

https://twitter.com/Commander_Ivy/status/1500111096128184325

Lina 💙💛 (@Commander_Ivy)

So PayPal has stopped working in Russia today and Twitch will no longer pay Russian streamers. Thank you very much for cutting my only source of income. I am sure this will solve all of the world's problems.

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[golden gust]

yea, it's fun

[novel horizon]

Some sites just agree to pay russians in crypto

[golden gust]

You gotta love how they're basically fucking over the nobodies and people who are generally being vocal against it

[novel horizon]

the weird thing is the desinformation in russia

[magic river]

Crypto only works if governments allow it to work

[warm anchor]

Bingo

[magic river]

Russia would probably be okay with people exchanging bitcoin for rubles but watch Coinbase shut down your account after they see a sign you're sending bitcoin to someone doing that

[cunning raft]

sucks for the russians but that kinda thing is required to build enough pressure

[novel horizon]

yeah

[warm anchor]

Crypto spending rn is just flat currency with extra steps

[golden gust]

what's fun is the hatred people have towards the russians over this

[warm anchor]

Any crypto that claim to work on everyday purchase are backed by a bank. You know the very thing the crypto bro wants to avoid

[novel horizon]

some people are hating even without it

and most people hate probably putin more than russians

[golden gust]

Like, it's almost like people who have 0 fucking clue over what they're talking about are running around preaching their own virtues

[magic river]

I don't hate the Russian people, although them getting defensive about Russia right now is weird

[novel horizon]

their informations are ukraine bad nazi got into government we need to help them

[vernal moth]

Russians shouldn't complain to twitch or PayPal but their government

[novel horizon]

🤷‍♂️

[vernal moth]

Cause that's how sanctions work

[golden gust]

They're literally in the streets doing that

they're literally being thrown into jail and shot at for doing that

[vernal moth]

Keep up the pressure then

[warm anchor]

The brainwash runs deep. I don’t blame them. But if they continue to push the agenda after evidence is shown to them is where I draw the sanity line

[magic river]

Like, the people in here the other day trying to post Russian flags and such

[novel horizon]

Yeah there's lots of people who support the war even if they have the right info

[magic river]

You don't get to be patriotic then get upset when I call you out specifically for the things your country is doing

[golden gust]

It's easy to throw dissent when the bullet isn't at the head of you or your family

it's easy to throw dissent when you have a stream of food to your table

[magic river]

I can definitely understand the ones trying to just live their life and keep their head down

[novel horizon]

yeah

some people say out of fear that they think war is not bad

[golden gust]

and, this is a lot more complex than "putin bad", but, that's a whole story and a half

[rare python]

minimessage go brrr

i basically rewrote my pr

[novel horizon]

[golden gust]

This is why we can't have nice things

[void void]

lmao

[golden gust]

Okay, hear me out

[rare python]

Just sticking <rainbow> in front of the message was a quick and easy test to make sure MiniMessage was doing its thing.

[tropic flame]

based

[golden gust]

Every feburary

the order of the colors used for <rainbow> needs to be changed

[rare python]

lol

I think we should take this opportunity to change the default messages

[vernal moth]

Ship it

[rare python]

Because most of them are white

we should make some of them blue or something

[topaz mortar]

With some compact water cooling you can get it to 4.5 GHz on all cores and 4.8 on single core task.

[frank otter]

make every default message have a really really ugly <gradient>

gradient is a thing, right?

[rare python]

I still need to make it automatically convert existing messages to use minimesage

[vernal moth]

Yep

[rare python]

Also in spigot.yml with the version stuff, its not {0} anymore its using the tag thingy in minimessage so its now <version>

[worn ember]

i think i'll pass since things always break around me i'd hate to have a water leak

i'd like it to be confined to software only

[novel horizon]

Not like air coolers are bad tho

They're really good

[frank otter]

the air cooler on my laptop let it reach 97C yesterday

actually,

could you water cool a laptop?

[novel horizon]

you can do anything you want

[worn ember]

sure you can, if you should is another question

[magic river]

There are water cooled laptops you can buy

They do normal air cooling then you can "dock" them to a pump and radiator

[novel horizon]

I also don't like water cooling, I am kinda paranoid about it and I think that air cooler is great enough for me

[magic river]

My next build will probably use an AIO water cooler

I don't trust my own skills to run pipes/tubes but those are basically just hook it up and go

They're fully self contained and such

They're almost required if you want to do a small form factor build

So many cables and crap jammed in there you don't get much airflow

https://twitter.com/casio_juarez/status/1500237036703395841

non-controversial display name (@casio_juarez)

Every time somebody talks about documenting things user shouldn't do so that users don't do them, I remember this line for the GIF 89a spec:

"Animation - The Graphics Interchange Format is not intended as a platform for animation, even though it can be done in a limited way."

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oh, btw, related to that Twitch and PayPal thing: https://twitter.com/AP/status/1500247378279997444

The Associated Press (@AP)

BREAKING: Mastercard and Visa are suspending operations in Russia, in the latest blow to the country's financial system after its invasion of Ukraine. https://t.co/wGo7iGPs12

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Dunno how things work over there, I know in the rest of Europe your debit cards are apparently a separate system

In the US having Visa and Mastercard shut you down means no one can use debit or credit cards anymore

Mastercard appears to be shutting down entirely while Visa is basically isolating them

[rare python]

Not sure how I should go about updating messages in the Spigot config.

[magic river]

Russia issued Visa cards don't work outside of Russia and outside issued Visa cards don't work inside of Russia

[rare python]

Because I can't just increment the spigot config version number.

Maybe just move them into Paper's config?

[snow sonnet]

has anybody talked about if/when microsoft decides to stop updating java edition?

[worn ember]

not any time soon

[snow sonnet]

it seems like they really just want everybody in their xbox/windows edition.

I'm on a mac, I loathe Microsoft, don't own a PC or xbox, and never plan on it 🙂 Just debating if it's worth getting invovled in this if it has a target on it from Microsoft.

[mental meadow]

There are no plans for that

[snow sonnet]

nothing public no, but read between the lines coming out of redmond

[magic river]

bedrock would be available for macOS before that happened anyway

[mental meadow]

and seeing as the next few updates are already planed...^^

[snow sonnet]

is the server with bedrock still java?

[magic river]

No

[snow sonnet]

it's the server mods I'm interested in like this (paper)

[warm anchor]

Bedrock generate more income for Microsoft so not surprising it’s a focus

[snow sonnet]

exactly 😄 It's separate teams too.

[golden gust]

but read between the lines

sigh

I've literally spoken to microsoft

almost weekly in fact, as have a few dozen others

yes, the platform which is more popular and widespread along the general public is the one they shill harder for given that it earns more dollar for them

[snow sonnet]

Microsoft chose to announce the unification of Minecraft across platforms during their E3 conference. Once the Better Together Update hits in the summer, the game’s editions on Windows 10, Xbox One, Nintendo Switch, mobile, and VR will simply be called ‘Minecraft’.

(note: no Java)

[magic river]

The java devs and community is where most of the game design comes from

[golden gust]

They literally keep extending the minecraft java edition dev team, however

[magic river]

Even if bedrock then does it better

[warm anchor]

Hi we love you zcat

[mental meadow]

who said that

[golden gust]

or, well, more spoken to mojang

[snow sonnet]

the article is a year old: https://www.pcgamesn.com/minecraft/microsoft-minecraft-java-edition

[warm anchor]

Oh god I hate xlippy

[worn ember]

wtf hater

hes godlike

[magic river]

I mean, feel free to forget MC exists and go do something else if you're convinced

[snow sonnet]

and of course the push to get everybody onto their xbox signin. what a PITA.

[golden gust]

Cool.

It's not their fave version

[snow sonnet]

I'm not convinced, I'm curious what others have heard 🙂

[golden gust]

literally irrelevant

[worn ember]

https://youtu.be/b4taIpALfAo

[magic river]

I'm also sure that at some point Java Edition will go away

[golden gust]

it's not going anywhere

[worthy geode]

starting in summer you will get Java Edition when buying bedrock. does not seem like giving up JE to me

[golden gust]

Like, with literally every game out there, it eventually dies and disappears

[magic river]

I just think it'll be a long time from now and will be due to the devs or community giving up on it, not any order from on high

[golden gust]

mojang is literally continually expanding their java team

MSA was down to feature requests that people wanted

e.g. better account recovery, 2FA, etc

[warm anchor]

2FA is nice

[golden gust]

given they're under microsofts wings they felt easier to move towards microsofts system than basically redo their entire auth system from scratch

[magic river]

At some point most of the stuff people want to do with mods and such will be possible with vanilla, probably more so with bedrock than with java, and then people will use that because it's more convenient

[golden gust]

Never expected the MSA migration to be a joyous PITA

[snow sonnet]

thanks for the info, it's good to hear other perspectives 🙂

[magic river]

MSA makes it easier for third party stuff to integrate with your MC account without needing your password, too

[golden gust]

and the new launcher to be literally so shit

[snow sonnet]

what is MSA in this context?

[golden gust]

MicroSoft Auth

like, the 7/8 launcher is actually better than the 10/11 launcher if you have more than one account, is fun

[magic river]

It's a somewhat standard oauth flow, afaik

[snow sonnet]

yeah, but what a royal PITA. I don't want an xbox emoji, or all that crap.

"oauth" standard 😄 lol.

[mental meadow]

I want 2FA

[warm anchor]

Bedrock UI is sexy though

Ngl

[snow sonnet]

https://gist.github.com/nckroy/dd2d4dfc86f7d13045ad715377b6a48f

[worthy geode]

the new launcher isn't even working for me just crashes on start, on two devices

[mental meadow]

And everyone who has a Cape or is a YouTuber or something also wants 2FA

[snow sonnet]

mind you I like oauth better than SAML or others, but still

[golden gust]

standard auth mechanisms are good

Mojangs auth system was written in like 2012 and basically left to rot

[magic river]

eh, oauth is standard enough I can use the same code to auth with three different backends

[snow sonnet]

maybe by the time they get around to converging things microsoft will finally have flipped over to the linux kernel 😄

[golden gust]

Jave editions codebase is just so old

[foggy silo]

The new microsoft accounts are amazing, and yes mojang account security has not aged well AT all. Not to mention, with Microsoft accounts it's much nicer to deal with their support when it comes to dealing with account problems.

[magic river]

That would be kind of sad, VMS WNT is a pretty nice kernel design

[golden gust]

You'd be amazed at the actual scope of changes over even the past 2 years

[foggy silo]

Could not get an account back thanks to the incompetence and ignorance of their support x)

[magic river]

They got a lot of things right with NT that others didn't are are still trying to make up for

[snow sonnet]

@magic river it's very dated. And linux has far surpassed it nowdays.

[magic river]

Pretty much all the things they got wrong are things that didn't come from VMS 😄

[golden gust]

Just, internal changes don't fuel the features that people upgrade for, and ofc, you can't stop development of apiece of software for 2/3 years or whatever

pretty sure NT and Linux use the same general architecture setup

[snow sonnet]

depends upon how generalized you get 😄

[magic river]

With NT everything is a HANDLE and you can interchange them, on Linux to do this you need eventfd, signalfd, etc to get close to this and fds are more dangerous than HANDLEs in some ways

[snow sonnet]

I fully expect to see windows running on a linux kernel in containers at some point.

[magic river]

And it took io_uring for Linux to finally get IO at a level similar to NT

[snow sonnet]

you are from a windows world I take it 😄

[magic river]

The NT/io_uring method is a lot harder to use though

Ha

[snow sonnet]

by "level similar" I don't know what you mean.

BSD has rocked I/O for a long time, notably on the network stack, far beyond windows and most other stacks.

used to be a FreeBSD developer back in the day.

[magic river]

Hi, I'm the developer of an application that shipped as a part of the standard GNOME 2 desktop environment and a former Ubuntu MOTU and Developer

I also used to work on compiz and unity

[golden gust]

bring back gnome 2 or am sendin u pizza's

[magic river]

Even got paid to do it for a year

[snow sonnet]

yeah, gnome2 was the best state.

[magic river]

NT, from a design perspective, is way better

The implementation has a lot of problems though 😛

[snow sonnet]

what do you think of a mach kernel design

[magic river]

meh

afaik NT even had enough functionality and information to do containers from the start too

They just didn't put all the pieces together until later and then later additions needed to be changed to support it because they didn't realize the value of how the original stuff worked

There has been a really good OS in there struggling to get out

[snow sonnet]

yeah, but it's still Microsoft in the end 🙂 They killed netscape, and digital

betrayal, evil actions, so forth. not a good company, not worth dealing with.

[mental meadow]

please tell me one "good" big tech company lol

[golden gust]

Google

[magic river]

They poached all the Digital people, that's how NT got made

[golden gust]

Their tag line is "don't be evil"

[mental meadow]

was

[golden gust]

oh...

[magic river]

That's why NT is called NT, VMS +1 is WNT

[snow sonnet]

It was all a convoluted mess. Microsoft also had made a deal with digital to get NT onto the alpha as a big push, then backed out of it after DEC did a big shift to windows, leaving DEC hanging. It all but strangled the company after that.

as they spiraled down they lost all the alpha engineers to AMD, so that at least ended well for the world.

[magic river]

iirc NT 4 and 2000 still supported Alpha

No one used it or made anything for it though

[snow sonnet]

exactly — because microsoft shifted direction. The original deal w/DEC was that they'd put weight behind convincing people to move to Alpha from X86.

then politics kicked in w/intel. It's been years so I cannot recall all the things that I heard were going on.

[magic river]

Well, that was also around the time people were realizing x86 was good enough or even better than playing for a SPARC or Alpha system

[snow sonnet]

was a huge DEC fan tho.

[magic river]

Intel were the ones that robbed DEC, as far as that goes

[snow sonnet]

The x86 to server revolution was largely driven by FreeBSD until SCO/AT&T tied it up in lawsuits, then Linux picked up and ran with it.

[magic river]

I'm talking about the Pentium Pro

https://www.wired.com/1997/10/intel-dec-settle-alpha-chip-dispute/

[snow sonnet]

yeah but by 97 I think all the talent had already moved to AMD

The opteron was based on the alpha tech; AMD ultimately had to license stuff

[magic river]

1997 is just went they settled, the original complaint was that Intel copied the DEC Alpha for the Pentium Pro, it was basically an Alpha with an x86 frontend

[snow sonnet]

it's also how they were able to make an x86 type chip that so rocked the world over intel

[magic river]

The Pentium Pro was a major leap forward for Intel, it was the first out of order superscalar CPU they made

[snow sonnet]

and while the ppro was great, it didn't have all the alpha tech. data bus problems still, they put it on their normal chip bus.

[magic river]

AMD only did so well because Intel abandoned the DEC-derived design for NetBurst (Pentium 4)

[snow sonnet]

I think our old-school techindustry chat has scared the others here

[golden gust]

the fact that AT&T shot themselves in the foot is beautiful

[magic river]

They then went back to it for the Pentium M and then the Core line

So you can trace a path from Intel's current designs back to the Pentium Pro

[golden gust]

"Hey, we're gonna make a ruckus over our platform and make it basically the least attractive option going forward"

"Hey, why is nobody using our shit?!"

basically pulled an oracle before oracle

[snow sonnet]

we could talk about the sad decline of sun, into snoracle

was also a fan of Sparc too, and Solaris

[magic river]

Sun, DEC, IBM, etc all lost to the same thing

[snow sonnet]

Tho I helped convert a lot of the DoD's E10k's to linux platforms.

[magic river]

x86 + Linux or x86 + Windows was better, faster, and cheaper

[snow sonnet]

E10k's were awesome, via the cray tech.

hot-swap CPU's...

Redhat gave my team an innovator of the year award for the massive migrations we were able to get done in such a short period (for the DOD industry, it was par for the course from the commercial sector I was used to 🙂 )

[magic river]

Google was the one that finally drove the message home that servers don't need fancy stuff, you're better off using the cheaper (and usually faster) stuff and having good monitoring, fail over, and ops to manage them

[snow sonnet]

I even got to host the CIO of the CIA for a briefing, explaining what we learned from it... and other stuff...

[golden gust]

!ban @void void spam

[thorny flicker]

:raised_hands: Banned KAKONxd#4200 (spam) [1 total infraction] -- electronicboy#8869.

[magic river]

But the industry was kind of going there anyway, just usually at a lower level

Internal stuff or SMB stuff

I don't know why, out of all the options, POWER was the one that survived

[snow sonnet]

because IBM has more money than brains, and is willing to keep stuffing it into things like that.

[magic river]

I guess Apple kept it relevant for consumers which made it more likely software and tools would exist for it and then IBM has customers who want to run stuff they wrote in the 70s, will pay any amount of money to keep it working, and POWER is how IBM decided to do it

I know a lot of projects dropped POWER support of all kinds after Apple computers using it became obsolete

But they've managed to keep some key pieces going

[snow sonnet]

mostly only if you want to run AIX or a mainframe

[twin lagoon]

@restive thicket BEST camotoy

[restive thicket]

Thank you Michael. Great Michael. Maybe even the best.

[twin lagoon]

[mental meadow]

very cool Camotoy and Michael 😮

[pastel reef]

Is it unlucky for 5 wandering traders in a row not to give dripstone?

[wide chasm]

Not really, seems to be common

If I calculated it correctly, the chance of not getting it with 5 traders is 54.7%.

[neon bramble]

hey, today I finally remembered from where I know you

You are the creator of IF? right?

[wide chasm]

Yes

[neon bramble]

Ha!

Maybe my memory isn't so bad after all

[void void]

damnit cat

you ninja

[golden gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoaIZKTBXIM

I been looking for that for a long time

[quasi valley]

and I'm a ballerina

[golden gust]

back many years ago I had afren who was many obsessed with machinma

[cedar spade]

No you're not

[void void]

Do not mock the ninja

[nocturne comet]

Where do we find plugins for Paper? I'm used to Bukkit and Spiggot having all the plugins in a big forum

[twin lagoon]

you can use those

spigotmc's resources section is still the go to

[nocturne comet]

fantastic, thank you

[vernal moth]

for now

[warm anchor]

Hangar waiting room

[wooden dawn]

Can’t wait for the days when I won’t have to use spigot for plugins

[left swift]

the classic accursed farms

freeman's mind

[foggy veldt]

Speaking of, I remember seeing hangar and ore merger of some sorts. Are sponge ppl providing any helps or is that only backend and you’re doing front end by yourself

[golden gust]

hangar is now a project between paper and sponge

sponge was looking into adopting hangar

[magic river]

There is a section on the Paper forums for plugins too

[proud lance]

99% of plugins for spigot work on paper

oh nvm

didn't scroll

[little frost]

pretty sure hangar will also interface with the forums

[worn ember]

dont think so

[void void]

think again :P

[worn ember]

what does mini know about hangar anyway

[void void]

true, just some random guy

[magic river]

That was so long ago, I'm sure hangar has been redesigned three times since then

[void void]

definitely

probably at least five times

[golden gust]

It will create a thread on the forums for discussion akin to spigot akin to ore

[foggy veldt]

for discussion akin to spigot
Pog it will have a review section

I just screenshotted latest reviews for my meme but I’m pretty sure this guy is downvoting all chat plugins to boost his clear chat skript or something 🗿

[serene bolt]

they are now banned

[red timber]

rekt

[green edge]

Made a tool to do analytics on CMI player logs, checks how the economy is going

[ashen cliff]

Needs more tax.

[green edge]

Which one?

Also honestly that could work

[ashen cliff]

Top one.

[green edge]

Suggestions on how to do it reliably without annoying players?

[foggy silo]

introduce oil

[ashen cliff]

Give them something in return.
On one server we collect taxes, like 5%, then they get to vote on what to do with the money collected.
Expand the world, better infrastructure, import rare resources,...

[green edge]

Good idea

[foggy silo]

Like oil 😄

[golden gust]

oil?

You mean

democracy?

[foggy silo]

👀

[ashen cliff]

Fact.

[green edge]

Out of curiousity, what's your playerbase @ashen cliff?

[ashen cliff]

30-60 online.
Total "active" around 1k.

[severe latch]

Is there a modded equivelent of paper?

[lilac moon]

I guess maybe sponge

[golden gust]

depends on what you mean by that

sponge is basically our twin spirit and has some of the same goals

[severe latch]

I tend to run a lot of lag on java server and same with forge server

[golden gust]

e.g. performance and API related stuff

[severe latch]

when I use paper it fixes vanilla lag

[golden gust]

fabric is where most of the new performance mods are going

[severe latch]

ah

alright thanks ill look into it

[void void]

Anyone know how to do memory optimization and analysis?

[ashen cliff]

JProfiler trial + fun.

[void void]

How hard is it lol

[ashen cliff]

Not that hard. Just look at graphs and click random stuff, till you figure it out.

[void void]

Lol say less 😂

[ashen cliff]

And crash the server 4 times, because your internet is too slow.

[void void]

Cap

I could never have bad internet 💀

[rancid void]

printer ink anyone? only 8000€/~$8698 (39549,98$/gal)

[lilac moon]

Wtf

[rancid void]

I mean, these cartridges usually have under 20ml

[lilac moon]

Why so much more in gsllons

[rancid void]

because 1L ≈ 4.55 gal

[lilac moon]

wtf

I thought it wwa like 2.1

well shouldn't it be 1/4.55 gallons

since a liter is smaller

I think

[rancid void]

price is per liter. a gallon is more. price per gallon is a higher number

[lilac moon]

yeah so 1 L should equal a number smaller than 1 for gallons

since a gallon is bigger

[still sorrel]

I once saw the prices a hardware store paid for printer cardridges compared to the selling price

They buy them for like 2.50 per piece and sell them for 12 euros

And that was with the off brand stuff

Printer inc is a huge scam

[lilac moon]

yep

A friend told me to get this one brand of printer that I don't remember but you can just buy any ink and pour it into a tank in the printer

[still sorrel]

Sounds good

[lilac moon]

I'll have to ask what it was

[magic river]

Watching you go through trying to understand that reminded me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnArvcWaH6I for some reason 😄

[brave halo]

Anyone know a good nameplate editing plugin? Just looking to edit the color of the players name. Teams don't support hex colors which annoys me. I know its possible though.

[unkempt drift]

Team prefixes do support hex

But idk if that color is assigned to the player’s name tag

[foggy silo]

^ it is not

Sadly team colors only support normal colors which is a same because… if we could have rgb colors it would allow for rgb glow effect 👀

[lilac moon]

this is infuriating, i'm testing this sorting system in a creative world and there are 3 items stuck in it, but i cant find them

and i cant find of a way using worldedit or something to just clear all the containers

well i guess one way is i can copy it, delte all the non containers, check if they're empty, then paste excluding air

somehow they magically all disappearedn ow

[void void]

Around how much ram should a server be using with 7-8 players and 20 plugins pre generated world

[lament patio]

Any server should be using all the RAM you allocated to it

[void void]

Wut

I have 10 and it’s using around 5 gb ram with 7-8 players which seems high

[lament patio]

Java tries to use what it's given, that's normal

If you allocate less than 5GB, it'll use less than 5GB

[void void]

Hmm ok

So how do I know when to allocate more

[lament patio]

It depends, but you'd start worrying about memory if you're having long/frequent garbage collection pauses (see timings) or your server is crashing out of memory

But if you're only expecting about 10 players, 10GB is much much more than enough

[void void]

Yeah it crashed at 8 so we went to 10 and added like some cushion thing or whatever to prevent it from crashing when it reaches that

[void void]

Peak around 20

Think 10 should be fine still?

[lament patio]

Then your issue is something else, not lack of RAM

Because 8GB is also plenty for 20 players

[void void]

hows this

good or bad i dont understand it lol

@lament patio

[potent wedge]

Bruh I just installed java 3 times and didn't notice that I didn't use -jar

[vernal moth]

why are the fucking vue dev tools is broken?

https://i.imgur.com/2JBLm9c.png

like clearly I do have components here

show them!

[vernal moth]

everything hates me today

https://i.imgur.com/P8A1Trb.png

works on server breaks in browser

[worn ember]

Good luck

[vernal moth]

I just rage quitted and started my work env

hopefully thats going better, first have to read thru a couple hundred of emails cause I dared to not work for 3 days

[fathom oracle]

I made paper downloader cli because I'm tired of download bukkit lol

[vernal moth]

post your memes elsewhere please

[viral hornet]

GOOD MORNING @quasi valley

[vernal moth]

https://twitter.com/mygamedesigns/status/1500648563197415428?t=VU-XG7ZOsMyv6YXwAGjIbg&s=19

Max Damage (@mygamedesigns)

I would love to know where this add came from? I'm assuming it's not from the official @godotengine page.

@opera is this ad your doing? https://t.co/eODRnkbDMO

Twitter · Mar 7, 2022, 1:44 AM

Oh ffs

Opera please

Such a dick move against a FOSS project

[ashen cliff]

Amazing.

[urban pumice]

Does anyone know how to make NPC bankers like skyblock in hypixel?

[ashen cliff]

They just run a command on click. Nothing special.

[tropic flame]

https://help.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/articles/4607523809933-Buy-Minecraft-PC-Bundle-Get-Both-Games-

seems like they are bringing the offer back

that one where you could redeem the Bedrock Edition for free if you had Java

except this time it's vice versa too

[ashen cliff]

Amazing.

Bruh.

Windows 10 edition worked on my PC just last month, after they finally fixed it... now it's broken again.

And somehow I don't worn Windows 10 edition anymore...

[tropic flame]

lmao I'm still on Windows 7

[ashen cliff]

Thank you Microsoft?

[tropic flame]

still gonna redeem it though

I didn't do it last time because... I just thought I'd be able to do it at any time whatsoever for some reason

[ashen cliff]

https://posili.me/i/arzLyUBG-2022-03-07_10-19-10.png

Yeah, I have no idea.

[vernal moth]

and automatic, if a MSA has one entitlement, I expect it to automatically get the other one too

[cosmic raft]

https://github.com/google/guava/issues/5951

gotta love spam

[golden gust]

The internet is really, really great....

[vernal moth]

Why didn't GitHub purge the issue when they purged the account? :/

[graceful comet]

what are the rules on dm advertising? xSharkTale#2559

[merry talon]

report spam button

you can also /modmail

[graceful comet]

thanks!

[tropic flame]

uuuh yeah i suppose it's automatic if you're buying a new account, not if you already own one of the games

that's what it says in the page

still though, that's nice

[chrome elm]

ubuntu or centos for server OS?

[worn crest]

Debian

[wide chasm]

Thank you, they're banned now.

[void void]

any proper implementation of vault api? (I don't like EssentialsX because it has so many features I don't need)

[golden gust]

that could mean many things

if you mean, "I want an eco plugin"

probably whatever active fork of craftconomy3 exists

[void void]

I need at least proper async handling, an option to save data in file(maybe h2 database) or save data in mysql

some economy plugins don't fetch player balance on AsyncPlayerJoinEvent, and if MySQL server dies, the server just hangs instead of returning error

[golden gust]

Well, yea

[void void]

that's terrible

[golden gust]

caching eco balances on a network would be bad

[void void]

I searched a lot but I couldn't find any proper implemntation of VaultAPI except for EssentialsX, which I don't like because it has so many features

[golden gust]

well, when your "proper implementation" involves unsafe practices, yea, you're not really gonna find that

[void void]

accessing database every time player balance changes is unsafe

[golden gust]

if you where caching balances you'd either need to contact the database when a transaction occurs, or completely forbid accessing the accounts of offline players, which would suck

Not really

databases are fast

[void void]

network latency will mess up TPS

and sometimes even crash the server

[golden gust]

which is why you host the database locally and ensure that transactions are done async where viable

caching balances is dangerious unless you wanna completely forbid offline transactions

[void void]

event driving architecture can partially solve this problem

[golden gust]

given that servers expect that stuff like chest shops, etc, to work, you know

partially

and introduce many other risks

[void void]

still better than accessing network database

[golden gust]

which literally do not exist when you take advantage of a proper dataabse

Not really

[void void]

what's worse than crashing the entire network

[golden gust]

if a single transaction on the main thread is that detrimental to your servers performance, you fucked up

if your database is so unstable that the risk of it crashing is constant, you fucked up

competent servers have done eco transactions on the main thread for years with 0 implications

[void void]

also the server will lag hard if database doesn't respond in 50 milliseconds

[golden gust]

if you wanna go for some over-engineered solution to be able to manage eco transactions without taking advantage of the database, then you're just gonna have to make it yourself

I've yet to see an eco transaction take even a 1/5 of that time

[void void]

so there's no Vault implementation which are safe from MySQL error/network error?

[golden gust]

No, because any competent solution which allows for safe cross server transactions which isn't just taking advantage of the fact that mysql is fast and reliable would just involve lots more moving parts

once again, if mysql or your network is that bad that this is an issue, you messed up

[void void]

I'd expected to have Vault implementation return EconomyResponse error on SQL error but if there's not anything like that I have to stick with these things..
Maybe some implementation can throw an error if there was no response in threshold timeout

[golden gust]

well, part of the reason I recommend craftconomy3 is cos their mysql stuff was better than the rest

it's still far from amazing, nobody who makes eco plugins are often too aware of what they're doing and such, and they're the type of plugins where once you get so far you're done and the authors disappear

but, any competent eco plugin is just gonna directly access the database cos it's the only real safe way to do it which doesn't involve much more complex engineering

[worthy geode]

CC3 is love, been using it since several years

[void void]

but it's unmaintained now

i have to find a fork

[golden gust]

there have been some forks which got a bit more love over the years

but, as I said, most eco plugins reach the point where they're "complete" and then the author disappears

they're just not the type of plugin which needs consistently evolving unless you wanna turn it into the essentials of economy plugins

[worthy geode]

https://github.com/Phoenix616/craftconomy3

[void void]

0 tar

0 star

i don't think it's trustable

[worthy geode]

It's phoenix, it's fine

[golden gust]

pheonix is a spigot resource staffer

or, was

and is reputable in the community

[true canyon]

Ooh a Canary name-drop

Haven't seen that in a while

[warm anchor]

It’s in no way an accurate representation of reliability by looking at stars

I will give you a good example

[void void]

the reason why i still like more starred repositories is because without them i can't tell if the repository have any bugs or not

[warm anchor]

Actually looking at source code will net you better understanding of a project. Public rating sucks balls

[void void]

at least yutopia has open issues

[warm anchor]

Any if not all project will have bugs. That’s also not a good indication

[void void]

0 star repositories don't

[timber sentinel]

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